It already takes up a lot of inventory. There's no reasonable reason for it to be destroyed and it's annoying task work to have to provide a rope and then get a pelt each time. Trope wise in fantasy fiction people don't destroy their 'bed rolls,' throughout the night. If mechanically it is somehow to advantageous for it to be repeatable, allow us to repair, or let us craft better ones that stick around. However given the the resources you are depriving yourself of by taking it, I think it's more than fair that you get to keep it instead of destroying it.
#Allow the bed roll to be picked up
rocky panther
small lotus
The reason behind it is to stop savescumming
Because if you can use it multiple times many people will buy one, place it on the dungeon entrance and kill a room, save, kill the next room, save, rinse repeat ad naseum
rocky panther
If people are gonna save scum they can do it anyway, it's pretty easy
small lotus
Its a deliberate choice
small lotus
If people are gonna save scum they can do it anyway, it's pretty easy
How so? save exiting and then coppying the saved file?
rocky panther
Yea I think the enforcing of rules is actually hurting the QoL of the game in this instance
you just take the last save you had and come back, you don't need a bed roll to do it
just alt f4
rocky panther
if it's that easy to cicumvent, it might as well not be in place at all if that's the reason
stoneshard takes 2 seconds to load on my godawful laptop
small lotus
The wording of the devs is that quicksaving mitigates the consequence of dying and people will just spam shit against a boss until they get lucky instead of trying to engage the boss in an inteligent manner
small lotus
Doesnt mean the devs want that included to the game
If i modifie a T1 weapon to have insane stats doesnt mean the game should be change 
silent cove
What typa argument is this, "oh if its cheesy why not add more cheesy things"
rocky panther
I hear you, but my point (which stands from our earlier conversation) is that we are free to say hey, this rule you made kinda blows and can we change it please?
It's an appeal. They are free to make their choice.
small lotus
Yeah there is also the devs choice and what they have said
rocky panther
What typa argument is this, "oh if its cheesy why not add more cheesy things"<:p...
breaking a bed roll by laying on it is way cheesier than anything I'm suggesting
small lotus
And i think the point of quicksaving or savescuming mitigating the consequences of death is a great point
rocky panther
they are also capable of changing their minds, no?
that's what the process is all about I would think, but maybe I'm wrong and we have no say
small lotus
There are some absolute things
rocky panther
You don't really have the authority to make that call bud
small lotus
Like no co op, no necromancy or sanguimancy for the player
small lotus
You don't really have the authority to make that call bud
No but the devs have that
silent cove
I don't get the point here, do you want to make the devs add a more easier save scum method
rocky panther
And as I said they are capable of changing their minds
rocky panther
so stop speaking for them as if it's absolute and just let people post suggestion without making a fuss
small lotus
Not making a fuss, just said why its not the case
rocky panther
Not making a fuss, just said why its not the case
I'm sure that's why you spam piggy emotes, because you're just a reasonable guy
small lotus
you didnt even argued agains the point i made, making death less impacting since you can just savescum until you win in luck
silent cove
Dawg what is this guys problem🙏😭 he's just sharing the devs thought on this
rocky panther
Yea man
small lotus
Thoughts that they have shared multiple times
rocky panther
you have zeor class
silent cove
"zero class" didn't you say he was a n*zi?
small lotus
small lotus
"zero class" didn't you say he was a n*zi?
As a joke, i asume a poor taste one
silent cove
He might be one of those trolls surely
Or those rage bait dudes
Did he leave the server?
small lotus
Lol
small lotus
no way bro makes a steam forum post about this
vital saffron
He blocked you
silent cove
I guess he got mad when i called him out for the N*zi thing
small lotus
Oh wait no he did
vital saffron
He's still in the server
small lotus
Discord lagged
silent cove
He really doesn't like larry the lobster
small lotus
vital saffron
I don't blame him
silent cove
I guess Larry struck a nerve
small lotus
I don't blame him
I mean i just say what wont be implemented
thick bear
make a smaller bedroll for inventory
small lotus
make a smaller bedroll for inventory
There is usually no need for that since you place it at the start of the dungeon before you even loot
small lotus
forces me to bring less supplies
Even early game i havent had issues with that, you arent filling your inventory with food, meds and supplies
vital saffron
and forces the bed to be used
You generally take a bedroll in order to use it
small lotus
and forces the bed to be used
Thats the point of bringing it?
thick bear
maybe u figure out it wasnt needed afterall and u wanna save it for next dungeon
small lotus
maybe u figure out it wasnt needed afterall and u wanna save it for next dungeon
I usually save before entering the dungeon
thick bear
im permadeath
small lotus
Then why bedrolls?
thick bear
fatigue?
small lotus
Fair
rose comet
I mean I like the idea, but save scumming.. instead as a compromise maybe you can make limited use to 2 or 3 instead of 1
besides if it doesnt get added.. im sure someone will probably mod it into existence
vital saffron
besides if it doesnt get added.. im sure someone will probably mod it into exist...
There is a mod that makes them re-usable, but not to Pick them up currently
stiff shale
No reusable bedrolls. Learn from your mistakes, and die less often.
Preparing for dungeons is part of the gameplay - if you’re not coming in strapped to the teeth with nets claw traps potions and whatever else you’re setting yourself up for failure.
stiff shale
it doesnt prevent shit
It’s not about preventing it. It’s about communicating to the player what is and isn’t part of the intended experience. Easy, on demand saving is not part of the intended experience.
The bedroll as a whole is an artifact from before when we had the caravan.
It’s purpose was to allow you to sleep off fatigue when searching for lategame dungeons out in the wilderness. Without it you physically couldn’t clear them because the nearest inn is a quarter of the way across the map, and you’d enter the dungeon with 20% fatigue just from walking.
It’s not meant to be a moving save point.
That being said, Sleeping bags could be made reusable if they did NOT save the game for you
spice narwhal
it doesnt prevent shit
In any single player game, even if you play HC, you can always save scum by making a backup of your save when the game isn't open...
By that logic, maybe no dev should make HC a thing because it is never a thing. Or somehow, they hack your PC and automatically delete your backup if you decide to save scum.
stiff shale
In any single player game, even if you play HC, you can always save scum by maki...
Yes. To be clear. My argument is not that save scumming should be impossible - it should never be part of the intended gameplay experience.
spice narwhal
Pretty sure that second option is illegal, so I was just jesting.
spice narwhal
Yes. To be clear. My argument is not that save scumming should be impossible - i...
No prob, I wasn't replying to you, dw. 🙂
stiff shale
By that logic, maybe no dev should make HC a thing because it is never a thing. ...
There is no practical way to do that
spice narwhal
There is no practical way to do that
hack PC? Nah, that's just me jesting. That is illegal and impossible.
There can be a way... like, if someone makes a local save but that save must communicate with the game server to be validated before it can be used, etc... But that's not single player anymore.
or if your save file isn't exactly local...
anyway, keeping to the topic... picking up a bedroll is a definite no.
stiff shale
There can be a way... like, if someone makes a local save but that save must com...
There is a way to implement that legally but it would still be pointless because the user can store backups on a removable storage like a flash drive, and insert the backups into the game while the game is off. As such this is pointless to implement
stiff shale
anyway, keeping to the topic... picking up a bedroll is a definite no.
I’m fine with it being reusable if sleeping in one doesn’t save the game. I agree that bedrolls being destroyed by sleeping in them is nonsense. I know some people are rough sleepers but damn