#Another Bounty Hunter Suggestion

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celest tulip
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Okay to start:
Remove all restrictions from PKS other than gold per kill that doesn't go away on death. Change it to character based, not IP based gold, 100g per murder permanently added. The idea being that the community should solve the PK issue not the game.

Bounty hunter:
Requires Tracking and Detect Hidden GM. Once these skills are GM a player can join the bounty hunter guild to unlock perks.

-Flagged as a pvp character, cannot have alts logged in
-Unlocks bounty hunter armor
-When a PK kills a player, the bounty hunter is able to track their location server wide. The ' track debuff' on the PK lasts 2 hours
-Only bounty hunters can turn heads in for gold

Blacksmiths, Tailors, Carpenters and Fletchers unlock new craftable gear
-Acts the same way as any runic weapons/armor but has a modifier added to it that does bonus damage and has bonus defense vs red players.

south maple
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"...other than gold per kill that doesn't go away on death" - how does this solve the fact that you can't play a PK long-term?

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waht if the cost per kill went up, but it reset on death? like 800 gold per kill, but resets on death

celest tulip
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Then u get friend to kill u and trade head in

silk crow
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Big fan of this idea, really increases the risk v reward factor for PKs and bounty hunting is cool as shit

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Currently its to hard to reliably track down a red player so this would be great and having to GM both tracking and detect hidden allows PKrs to have a slight advantage due to being able to put all 700 points into pvp vrs 500 for the BH

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What are people's thoughts if reds could turn in the bounty hunters head to a Murderer guild npc. Every successful bounty a BH turns in increases their value by 1k gold. Gives the PKrs something worth fighting back for and allows for them to finance their activities.

celest tulip
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thatd be super cool, like every kill the bounty hunter gets, adds 1k to their head for murderers?

south maple
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i mean i love the idea of bounty hunting, but still, if the cost never goes down, what's the point?

silk crow
south maple
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at some point, you'd end up like the current people who cost 300k to rez

celest tulip
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yea

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better not die

south maple
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that's a shit argument

silk crow
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Risk vrs Reward and 300k isnt that much

celest tulip
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thats 3000 kills

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if its at 100g per kill

south maple
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it's 600 kills

celest tulip
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could also just delete the toon

south maple
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... which is apparently bannable

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100g per kill? it's like 450

celest tulip
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my og suggestion was 100g

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thats probably lost somewhere

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let me add

south maple
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any system where your account gets progressively more and more screwed long-term is not a good system

silk crow
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PKing should have a risk associated with it. If it can go down and your "buddy" can just log in once every so often to force it back down it just circumvents the system.

south maple
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there is a risk with it. dying on a red should knock you out for 4-8 hours. not break your entire account

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how much does dying on a blue cost?

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a flute and 30 each reg?

silk crow
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Reds and blues shouldnt be equal

south maple
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people's concepts of risk/reward is so broken here

celest tulip
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correct

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no youre just new

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and dont know the server history

silk crow
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300k doesnt break an account unless you are entirely new and do nothing but PK naked people. The amount of people you would have to PK to get to 300k rez fee is insane and if you are actually killing people worth it youll have made more than that anyways

celest tulip
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yup

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even the long term pks here dont have 300k

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think the top one is 100k

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and my system would lower the fee per kill significantly

grim cloak
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I love these ideas. I also like that counts/cost don't go down for PKs, but yeah it should only be like 100gp per count. PKing should be end game anyways, and if you're to the point where your rez cost is 300k you've got some serious bragging rights.

celest tulip
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yup

silk crow
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a naked provo tamer/summoner can farm close to 100k an hour at titans

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T mapers can do the same

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If you die and can't afford 300k and have to go farm for 4-8 hours thats perfect then. Thats a great risk vrs reward system and if you are at the point where even with current fees your rez fee is 300k you have the funds

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I'd also say no camo pots on BHs either

grim cloak
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Yeah, I've been pulling in about 100k per evening after work, just playing a couple hours. And I know there are people out there who farm faster than me.

south maple
grim cloak
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Could farm during the week, and PK on the weekend until you die. Sounds fun to me.

silk crow
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583 kills for 318k

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That is more then fair

south maple
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yes, exactly. if you get like 5 kills a day, that's 3 months of playing before your cost to rez is 300k

silk crow
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Thats nothing

south maple
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that's... crazy. i guess if the prevailing opinion is that that's a fair thing, than we are going to have to agree to disagree

celest tulip
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so now if it was 100k

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100g

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much less

silk crow
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I know you are new and 300k may seem like a lot of money. But 300k is nothing for people who are established and have 1 halfway decent pve build

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Reds get the insurance pay outs on kills right?

celest tulip
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believe so yes

grim cloak
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I think they get 50%

south maple
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what is a provo tamer insuring, a drum?

silk crow
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So as long as the reds arent hunting naked noobs they can easily make enough money. I think the BH system would be a great addition to the game and give good red v blue pvp opportunity.

silk crow
grim cloak
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They're 3k

silk crow
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If you are pking a provo tamer who is actually farming you will get insurance payouts and at least 20k in raw gold plus regs

south maple
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hell, i guess the system is already broken. if you want to add in bountyhunters if all the other shit is removed, sounds good

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can't get worse

grim cloak
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Yeah, you seem to be going on the assumption that these farmers are empty handed. Do you plan on killing them as they're walking out of their house?

silk crow
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PKrs need to accept this server will always have harsher restrictions on them that are meant to discourage just outright 24/7 slaughter. Most of the established reds aka Slime and T would kill for all restrictions to be removed minus the gold on death and would love the BH system because it gets them the pvp they want.

south maple
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like i said, can't get more broken. i vote yes

silk crow
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If you want no camo pots, no boon, no restrictions, no gold penalty or even gold penalty reset you might as well quit now cuz those things will never not be here. The best thing people can do is advocate for some form of compromise on the current system.

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Only have to average 500 gold a kill to pay that fee

south maple
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for the first death

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after a death, that 500g a kill is wiped out

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then you need to farm 300k a kill

celest tulip
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well if you killed farmers 3000 times youd have like 60,000,000 gold

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so youd prolly be fine

silk crow
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Yup but by your logic dying should set you back 4-8 hours. If you die and cant afford 345k thats only 4 hours of farming

south maple
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not going to overtake this bountyhunter thread with this old argument

silk crow
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I think the track time should be online time as well. Don’t want reds just logging in killing someone then logging out for hours to avoid being tracked

grim cloak
# south maple not going to overtake this bountyhunter thread with this old argument

I get that you wanted to jump in and become a PK immediately, and I know that's not really feasible. But in my opinion it shouldn't be. I think the PK restrictions are too harsh right now, but I don't think people should just be able to jump in and start PKing on their second week of playing the game. If that was possible, we'd be too far in the other direction and the game would be overrun with reds.

jade cypress
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Bounty hunter in some iteration sounds good but I think that there needs to be some sort of system to reduce gold fee on death for reds. I am not sure how it would be implemented but if the bounty hunter system is successful then there will be a lot more red deaths. Maybe like lose 20% of current res fee each time you die or something as a red. I also like the bounty hunter getting fees on their head to give incentive to the red to fight the bounty hunter .

grim cloak
jade cypress
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No idea. Need big brains to think of a way. All it would take it a concerted effort by a couple people to hunt high count reds and kill them a couple times to bankrupt them. Only reason it hasn’t happened yet is no one cares enough to set a trap at the moment but I imagine a new bounty hunter class would motivate some pvpers

celest tulip
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id say the move would be to leave it as permanent, but lower the fee per kill significantly

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to like 50-100g per kill

jade cypress
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Maybe a happy medium would be capping the fee then. If it never resets, maybe 100k

grim cloak
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Cap could work.

frail loom
silk crow
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Now that’s good

frail loom
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If they have the boon set to distress call and no bounty hunters are available it will give an option to teleport to safety with the boon.
as long as they don't have the 6 hour boon cooldown

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24hour cooldown to switch between modes

silk crow
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As the kids say. You are cooking

patent glade
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This is funny

late sorrel
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Ya i was reading that earlier seeing all this conversation and even had @grim cloak In there. I’m like wow lot of conversation going on, then I saw the date. Like wtf, why did it back up to 2024 replies as if they are new.

BH went from Balzors suggestion of gimping a character 200 skill points to the current iteration of not needing to gimp any skill points at all with track/DH.

  • special area wide cheap ravens that aren’t even a money sink at all for a BH since they aren’t used if no red found on region for free long range tracking.

  • then red alert for BH as long as they are logged in.

  • now free recalls to blues as a BH 🤣

murderers spend time looking for victims. BHs are supposed to spend time looking for murderers, right ?

Let’s get factions popping. Need faction boss, release the siege event, and do some sort of resource generation buff for characters with the faction tag open world (similar to anti boon necklace ) to drive some more players into it.

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patent glade
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nah i'm fine with it as-is, even as a solo red

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get in, get out, get free loots

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too easy without it as it currently is, it's just too easy to kill someone, run 2 screens away, and be gone in the wind. even with tracking/detect it's impossible

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and you know this 😄 and you also run 3 deep, so who cares if a single bounty hunter comes in. just more insurance payouts for you guys

late sorrel
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Faction success and participation in this game is what will hold my interest. Group play specifically in factions being the best. This server Can’t seem to attract any groups that want group play or even people to attempt to do group play. I’ll keep advertising in LoA and any other discords I am a part of (like warborne and Vaultbreakers ) with the hopes to drive more people here. We need more faction clips to help with that.

Hoping we can get some faction fun this weekend.

frail loom
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It would be great if we got a large group of players on TC to run a full siege event. I can use that opportunity to record a lot of it to produce a video.

frail loom
patent glade
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Seems good for me

late sorrel
# frail loom Would this addition to the boon not be something positive for you PKs? it would ...

Like I mentioned before,

Reds spend time looking for blues to kill. Even more so with camo, blue alts auto radar tracking, and then recalling. BHs can do the same. They don’t have to brick their character with tracking since they have the raven not used and now got the notification to on log in.

That point aside though, BHs being the PvP character to murderers need balancing.

Some thoughts in general:

  1. have no requirement to become. Even thief hunters have a requirement.
  2. automatic cheap fortification armor just for talking to a vendor.
  3. a PvP character yet can still use camo
    4)long range plus percentage bola… just because?
  4. cheap plus percentage chance not to dismount mount… just because.
    6)can insure any gear.
    7)there is no special currency they have to grind to get the “op” stuff that faction characters have to grind to get it like silver and coins.
  5. factions characters can get it all so they can all fight each other with it.
    9)reds can’t go to red vendor and get the cheap fortification gear.
    10)they can’t get the BH exclusive super bola nor the super mount.

Add the free recall to blues (if they literally told you they refuse to use the area ravens and the notification of red log in) if

  1. Super bolas are removed or a red vendor equivalent (exclusive to attack BHs) is added.
  2. same for super mount
  3. remove insurance - it’s a PvP character, not a pve character. They can risk high level gear.
  4. no camo pot (less of an issue if they can just recall on top of reds for free now)

I digress though. I miss the BMF/FCKED faction open world and faction dungeon fights (pillar too).

Night ya’all

patent glade
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Can't reds insure gear? Or no?

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I haven't experienced this bola though. I dunno I'm fine with it. Reds just have such an easy time of it, there needs to be some stuff to make it harder on them.

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I'd rather die often and have cheaper rez fees than never play the char because of punishments

silk crow
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You want even pvp you have factions

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Not ganking noobs at brit GY

late sorrel
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I assume you have seen the videos…

Everyone all over the map- dungeons, overland, graveyard, are attacked. So yes time is spent looking… so let BH’s look. And yes, let’s get factions popping! You should try and do some faction fighting this weekend if you are around.

late sorrel
celest tulip
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Don’t listen to bigt about nerfing. BHs. He just wants to continue being op and never dying.

He always says ‘I want pvp and risk in this game’. Now he has it and is trying to get it nerfed.

silk crow
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“Woah I said I wanted risk but not like this. I meant you have to risk everything you have while I kill you at Brit GY”

thin sigil
late sorrel
late sorrel
celest tulip
celest tulip
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The only thing I think that should happen is penalties for reds should decrease. But the bounty hard should be a complete counter to all red bs tactics.

celest tulip
thin sigil
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I did make it so higher PK counts drop off faster but the rate those folks kill miners it probably won't make a huge dent 🙂

late sorrel
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The Rez fee and lockout have been balanced. I think it’s in a good place beyond maybe making a hard cap for Rez fee. I was never into burning counts or blue Pking so that doesn’t really apply to me.

Everyone has what they enjoy the most. Factions has always been the funnest to me.

Really the super bola and the super mount are the balance issue because it’s just a power spike that isn’t available for reds.

In factions, anyone can grind the power spike gear.

Not risking gear with insurance and not needing to brick a character by requiring tracking are OK to help “one up” BHs over reds because red PKs don’t need to take tracking and they can still use super gear even though they will lose it if they die.

Beating a dead horse though 😀. We all have our opinion and nothing any of say to each other will change it

celest tulip
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Reds should have a weakness. This is it. It’s not balanced. Just like it’s not balanced when you 3v1 a guy at Brit gy.

late sorrel
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If that's the goal, it makes a lot more sense to me.

frail loom
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Victims who report the murderers to Bounty Hunter's will receive a % of the res cost reward.

frail loom
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Bounty Hunters earn distress kill points by saving victims from murderers (i.e., by killing the murderer and handing in the head). These points can be spent on unique Bounty Hunter items. If a murderer kills a Bounty Hunter, they steal one point from the Bounty Hunter, which the murderer can then use to buy unique items as well.

frail loom
silk crow