No one is complaining about being Pked lately, just you. Blurr got killed by a former guildie who doesn't pk in general so probably just saw a unique opportunity or maybe some hidden beef. No need to keep your complaint going. I don't even understand some what you are saying anyways. If you are for a pve toggle, then why are you talking about a dungeon debuff on PK death. How could a PK kill you if you turned on the PVE toggle? As for people that would "come back", we already debunked the point of a 100% safe "Trammel" being what players need as evidenced by Fractured game going from 1500 to 20 players. I dislike the idea of a PVP becoming a toggle since it goes against the roots of the OG UO experience of full loot, full pvp. HOWEVER, I have already expressed a PVP toggle would be the RIGHT idea if the server were to continue going down the path of the extreme anti - PK ideas laid on Trello. Because at that point, the server has become DE FACTO consensual PVP in all but name with the harsh changes/penalties. Lastly, I'll leave it at this - with a PVE only toggle, all resource gain, all monster loot, all rares should be only be 25% of what it would be normally to account for the lack of real risk.
#PVE Toggle
sullen quarry
zinc prawn
Make game trammel except for bottom level of dungeons. Add special, worthwhile, bosses to bottom levels. Remove all pk restrictions. Everyone wins
maiden thorn
i would just go out and enjoy the game. there are tools given in previous patches that almost no one uses to avaoid/fight back. The few pk that play this server are not on all day. I personally pvm more than anything on this server
rancid star
No one is complaining about being Pked lately, just you. Blurr got killed by a ...
I dont play my friend, I cannot, for the reasons stated above, things have changed for me, I just cannot maintain 100% focus on the game anymore, and in not being able to do so, I cannot play the game the way it should be played - fully immersed in what youre doing in game. That's just me, I'm just throwing out A, reasons for why the player count is so low, and 2, potential options to suit both wolves and sheep. If you see my toons paperdoll in Trading, youll see that I actually PKd on the server when I played, BUT, unlike a typical red, I was able to not kill all the time for a few reasons, I liked the player, or I just wasnt in the mood to take from someone, so I never really progressed down the lines of being a full red. I am ok with whatever happens here, again, my own 2c. I've had more convo's on this subject in this discord than youve had days in the game, and all I've learned is that red and blue players are totally different, and keeping both happy is an almost impossible task that only few games achieve. I really like the PVE on LoU, I cannot enjoy it, this makes me sad, ergo, I'd happily pay for the honor.
I agree, the PK ideas on trello are very strong and maybe they will have an impact, but again, those trello suggestions are completely redundent unless a blue logs on to fight a red. So theyll have no impact unless people fight back.
maiden thorn
what are your toons names ruff?
maiden thorn
just one toon named ruff is all?
i do not beleive i have even seen you in game
have you been pked?
rancid star
the last person to PK me was Macky back in 2020. I do not get pked, often, I am actually pretty good. I am not complaining for myself. More so for the 30 guild members I used to have playing this game that no longer play due to my reasonings.
rancid star
Ive had many a fight with RIP yea
maiden thorn
play thsi shit
there are not many pk now
lol
go enjoy
no need to change the game for a kill that happened 4 years ago
rancid star
Its not that, I cannot maintain 100% focus, this leaves me vulnerable, and if youve played long enough, you know its not reds you need to worry about, I was attacked and dropped more blues that attacked me than reds tried lol.
so i go afk for 10 mins, i come back and some blue guy has killed me.
I go not time for that now. sadly
maiden thorn
how about this. for a blue to be able to attack another blue they must be toggled grey
in advance
then you knwo it is coming
rancid star
irrelevent when I'm afk, it doesnt change anything. If im at hte screen i 95% survive, totally depends on whom im fighting, but if im afk, doesnt matter if they go purple and you announce it to the server, i come back without stuff.
rancid star
right, but i do in other LoA games im playing. And am enjoying the pve experience on.
maiden thorn
there is a trammel ruleset bank roof now
you want this game changed so you can afk in dungeons?
rancid star
I want this game to be playable for everyone.
rancid star
I want to be able to leave my toon in the middle of a forrest in Yew for 25 mins, and 100% come back alive after ive either dealt with work, or family. This is not possible here, is on other games. I am ok playing the other games, again just letting the team know why from everyone that played in 2020, probably 15% play today.
sullen quarry
You might have had a better SELL on it when you left it at PKs BAD instead of adding in you want to leave your toon AFK for 25 mintues in game and not die. That might actually hurt your cause
maiden thorn
this is strange
rancid star
with a pve toggle, I could leave it afk outside a guard zone though no?
maiden thorn
you have a good chance that vlad, mindbender or john wick wont find you afk in the woods somewhere
rancid star
again, when youve played long enough, you fight more blues than reds.
youve not played long enough, or the pop is too low, that is all.
maiden thorn
ive seen a lot of new faces around
helped plenty of them
i will recommend getting a quick recall hot key set and not to afk in dungeons
where is Macky at? we need more juicy action
rancid star
Not sure I'm getting thru to you. I am fine in game, Id be a decent fight for you, I can recall before you can get to me for sure. It was quite funny when someone got my head, it didnt happen often so was displayed in the discord PVP chat. I am not having this convo for myself in that regards, when attentive, I'm fine. That is what has been removed from my life, the ability to sit and stare at nothing but this screen while im playing.
Growing up sucks for gaming.
rotund raptor
where is Macky at? we need more juicy action
swapped my halberd for nappies
maiden thorn
lol
rancid star
diapers...
rotund raptor
fuckin yanks
maiden thorn
i am old and slow myself
i would still either go into a good sized house or the trammel ruleset bank roof if you afk
not too bad to hit a recall button
rancid star
not too bad to hit a recall button
write me a script that injects recall on seeing any blue or red onsite, and it would probably be ok.
also, without tracking, because no one wants to lose 100 points for that skill.
zinc prawn
You can kill the hardest mobs in this game naked. You can afford 100 pts for 99% pk avoidance. Geeeeeez
rancid star
Maybe a real life example will help you envision what I'm saying. In 2020 I had the luxury of turning on my computer at work, and pretty much doing whatever I wanted for 8hrs while still being able to do my job at a solid level. This allowed me to play LoU, A LOT, and I could be attentive at all times while playing without much risk of any interuptions. Since then, I've taken the next step in my career and now people walk into my office when something needs signing, this can be twice a day, or twice an hour. There are times now where im logged into LoA and someone comes in and I can alt tab no issues, deal with that person for 15 mins then come back and carry on. I am happy where I am. But, Id also enjoy the PVE on LoU if given the chance.
maiden thorn
you can probably put hiding on a toon and shit a button and afk for a bit and be safe ost of the time
there are not many pk around like there used to be in game
i adapted back when they were all over
plenty more tools now to use
rancid star
Yea, there will always be workarounds, I am more looking for a fix to my problem. If there is not one, then there is not one.
I wasnt playing last week, and i wont be playing next week. But imagine your gaming experience if 50 players came back to PVE on Shards. Be pretty awesome.
maiden thorn
sounds boring
no risk
Who can build up the biggest pile of risk free loot
plenty of folks out there building up huge piles of loot. not too risky out there now
rancid star
It was never about the loot for me. I just loved playing the game. Each to there own.
rancid star
sounds boring
this is what I was referring to above about the thoughts of wolves vs sheep. One person sees boredom, one person sees exploration.
Hard to satisfy both. So one cannibalizes the other. Pretty hilarious when you take a high level look at it.
maiden thorn
if 50 people came here to fight monsters, i don't think they would have too much issue doing so on server as it is
rancid star
I used to be the same as you SLIME when I started on LoA then moved to LoU, not a full on red, but very supportive of the red gameplay and their involvement in the game, but then I started to see my friends leave and then more leave, and then more leave, to the point now if I log on and run around, I wouldnt know anyone. Why is this? Surely there has to be a way to retain these players. I am asking these questions now. Funny that.
If you can find a way to make a PK and a PVEr happy, without saying "do this work around" or "just deal with it and play" or "its safe now", I am all ears. I only see the toggle as an option. But, if adding a PVE Toggle has the potential to destroy Shards of Britannia, then it shouldnt be added, I agree.
sullen quarry
It comes down to what makes the game. I want OG UO. You want Trammel. Nothing really different then the ago old argument. Just go find a shard or game that has Trammel and you will be happy I think.
rancid star
Who knows, maybe one day I'll get the time again and can come back and play.
sullen quarry
👍
maiden thorn
tell the 50 buddies to come try it out. they wil lprobably enjoy themselves
a lot of fun content
rancid star
they dont need to try it out though slime, they probably have more in the bank than you do currently. I think the point is not making its way thru to you.
I can honestly not think of another way to desribe it to you haha, I guess this will be one of lifes great mysteries.
maiden thorn
they dont wan tto enjoy a fun game for activities for all to enjoy
rancid star
I think its more like this - they want to log onto a game with 100% knowledge they will not lose any of that limited time they use to play games with.
and remember, all these people ARE gaming, they have found a game to play with their limited time. They all said they would use that time on LoU, if the above was met.
For some reason the PK believe its the pixel asset loss that upsets blue players, it is not that, it is the time to reset and go again after dying to a pk. Time is much more valuable.
maiden thorn
if a guild of 50 people started playing this game. i am pretty sure they can do what ever the hell they wanted lol. a guild of 10 people can probably do anythign they wanted as well.
they now also have quick load out boxes available in game. not too long to reset.
rancid star
Im sure if those 50 all logged on at exactly the same time youd be right. But what about 30 guild members that all live in different parts of the world where only 3-5 are logged on at any time and many are dealing with real life so they cannot commit to doing anything that puts their toon at risk.
So in reality it is still only 1-2 players actually active. You must understand the niche of this game to understand the people that play it.
rancid star
they now also have quick load out boxes available in game. not too long to res...
this is such a great addition!
maiden thorn
i agree. maybe take a couple bucks you thinking about spending on some sort of strange pve toggle and purchase one of these sweet items.
you can store a ton of stuff in them as well
rancid star
Yea, as I said above, there will always be work arounds, but why are people still leaving? Why is the player retention so low here with all these available options?
If the PVE is so awesome, why are they leaving?
If the red restrictions are already TOO HARSH according to BigT, why are people still leaving?
Many questions, no answers.
But, simple solution.
maiden thorn
maybe some more endgame crafting and pve content would be a good time as mentioned in one of my discussions
rancid star
How many players that join do you think make it to actual end game content?
I would argue, 25%
maiden thorn
I would say a lot of these folks playing are not having an issue leveling up and building bank accounts.
sullen quarry
If the PVE is so awesome, why are they leaving?
Your answer is a PVE toggle. I refute that. Outlands is a huge player base with less restrictive (now) red restrictions with a big player base. Fractured has a 100% Trammel land with less player base now (LOL) then SoB. The best part is - you don’t even play the game asking for all this.
rancid star
You fail to answer my questions above, but I understand why, they are difficult to answer.
Why are less people playing now BigT, when the game is 200% arguably better than it was when I was playing when 100+ were playing? What happened here?
I know why they left, but why havent they come back?
sullen quarry
Some people just enjoy and playing on discord more instead of playing the game like you maybe.
rancid star
But wouldnt discord be full of those people still chatting? If that was the case?
You cannot answer the questions, and that is ok. Have a great day.
sullen quarry
You might be better off in the Patreon chat. I think there are one or two people in there that like to tell each other back and forth that they want trammel or pking is bad. They keep it in there mostly though.
rancid star
👍
sullen quarry
You may enjoy being a PK hunter on this server. Or a protector
rancid star
rather than provide options for me, provide solutions to the issues of retaining players.
sullen quarry
Problem is you might have to devote a lot of time to it cause the PKs don’t spend a lot of time playing
rancid star
BigT is happy, I love that, I hope the game stays up for you for years to come to enjoy.
maiden thorn
a fun game if you love old uo
sullen quarry
Don’t forget Rulf, since the last time you played, the red restrictions have become a lot more worse .
maiden thorn
thats waht i said
rancid star
Don’t forget Rulf, since the last time you played, the red restrictions have bec...
Are these restrictions helping with player retention?
Why are people still leaving?
sullen quarry
With the latest additions being event stealth Anti Red Nox and mounted Npcs
rancid star
Root cause?
sullen quarry
I have only seen new names lately
rancid star
I have only seen new names lately
retention for NEW and OLD players
zinc prawn
You want this game designed so you can specifically play the game while working and tab out real quick when you actually have to do work …. Jesus. Maybe jsut play a single player game while wasting time at work.
sullen quarry
Hell even the “normal” complainers are less vocal then you lol and you don’t even play
rancid star
I dont want anything Balzor, I am happy playing an alternative game, I thought I made that point above clear. Obviously I did not, my appologies. This is a game suggestion channel. Some players wanted a suggestion added, here it is.
zinc prawn
I can’t believe you’re trying to make it so this game is so catered to you specifically that you can literally just play while you’re supposed to be working and have 0 risk when you tab out mid work day to not get caught.
Like come on.
rancid star
I can’t believe you’re trying to make it so this game is so catered to you speci...
Happen to know why players are leaving and not staying for long periods of time? Why is SoB losing players?
maiden thorn
i have seen player base gaining not losing
zinc prawn
Cause there’s no challenge in the game
zinc prawn
You want people to stay. You need to keep their interest. Killing bosses for deco over and over will not retain players
maiden thorn
we have lost guildmembers to a more risky outlands game
i guess it has more of and endgame grind
that people enjoy
rancid star
Cause there’s no challenge in the game
Not sure I know anyone that left the game that said it was because the game wasnt a challenge. Good to know.
maiden thorn
i tried it and find this game to be a lot better
a lot of people actually enjoy a challenge
i am liking these new corrupted dragons added to game recently
rancid star
I hope lots of new players get to the point they can enjoy it too.
maiden thorn
im sure they will
brisk mantle
I hope lots of new players get to the point they can enjoy it too.
Pretty sure you got the gist of it. According to this post alone you see why. Beating a dead horse
maiden thorn
pretty sure new players are out enjoying content at this moment
i see them making trips to the bank
rancid star
Pretty sure you got the gist of it. According to this post alone you see why. ...
sad, but true.
reef granite
I hope lots of new players get to the point they can enjoy it too.
I started in September. There's admittedly a bit of a hurdle for new players, but nothing that can't be powered through if you really enjoy the game. I made it to the point where getting PKed hardly bothers me. I think the new changes in the pipeline will help new players, but I wouldn't want to see much more than that.