❔┃ask-the-community

[dense remnant]

missing 9% all res there

[serene atlas]

fixed those passives, don't really have any other rings/shields/gloves/helm that's any better. i'll keep an eye out

[tame ingot]

@dense remnant Most swords are not the route, but a katana with adapative is a great option since it lets you get throw speed from sentinel passives. It's a favorite pick from myself and others hardpushing corruption since throw speed is such a huge portion of your dps/clearing smoothness.

[dense remnant]

oh true forgot that

[minor vigil]

which of these 3 rings would be best on a siphon

for an erasing strike build

i think i really want the str and health

not sure how important endurance is w/o any increases to threshold, tho the phys res lets me use sulorons more easily?

[olive lily]

how do you guys craft items (exalted i.e.). reroll stats and pray you hit what you want or close eyes and annul slam?

[dense remnant]

you always want endurance capped, increases to health increase endurance threshold, and it also applies if you take damage that puts you into the threshold (not just if you take damage while in the threshold). But yeah the 3rd ring is probably the best

[minor vigil]

Thanks!

[dense remnant]

though i get the reason is mostly becuse the 3rd ring on siphon would cover a lot of builds

whereas the first would be less of a range (and if looking at the extreme of a 4lp siphon, you'd not be getting the most you could)

and if its just like, 1 or 2lp, 3rd ring has no chance of a bad roll

[olive lily]

i ran all monos (normal % empowered), why does it still only say 13/20?

how do i complete those?

[raw cypress]

Do I have a chance to get boss drop-only uniques like Apathy Maw with this rune? Or can I only get unique item that is in the core-drop pool?

[knotty hinge]

core loot pool. No boss exclusive drops.

[raw cypress]

Gotcha, ty.

[balmy current]

You don't, it's always been like that.

[split hinge]

Hey ya'll. I did a bit of searching through recent threads, and haven't quite found this question asked, so was wondering.
Is there a current preference for a first char between Necro and Beastmaster, if I want to play a summoner class? Something I'd use to gather up gear for other builds/characters.

Specifically, if one of them is less button-mashy, not having to constantly keep short term buffs up (4-5 seconds or something)

[brave ibex]

Necro if you want a more afk playstyle, Beastmaster minions all have active effects and some other buffs you have to keep up (Warcry, Frenzy totem)

[cloud kindle]

Necro will usually have more minions, and these minions do all the job. Beastmaster has fewer companions and he participates more. Usually, of course

[split hinge]

Thanks guys 🙂
Will start a necro then, and then of course see how it goes. And will do my best not to try and follow a build guide, but actually try things out on my own, read into the skills/mechanics, etc.

WAY out of my comfort zone, especially having mostly played PoE (where I always followed build guides) and some D3/Grim Dawn in the past

[balmy current]

It's less punishing than PoE

[minor vigil]

when is tooltip dps not accurate?

outside of dot builds im assuming

[fervent quiver]

yeah, just from that fact respeccing has very negligible cost. If something doesn't work, try something else.

I actually intentionally don't look at guides / other players builds at all.

For all I know, all my builds might be really bad, but because I don't know I can still have fun with them.

[fervent quiver]

Bunch of reasons why it isn't, like in-combat stat differences through proccs, conditional effects from the skilltree (like being better against ignited enemies for example), debuffs on enemies (for example if you have very little crit chance because you crit via critical vulnerability, the tooltip will you show you barely an increase from crit multi even though its actually really good)

[minor vigil]

ah thnaks

[safe harness]

When I use Maul to cast Entangling Roots, it uses x2 the mana as rage. The tooltip makes it sound like it should only consume x1 the cost. Is it bugged or is the description wrong?

[balmy current]

yeah, any conditional effectcan't be shown on the tooltip since the tooltip can't know whether the condition is met. Crits are conditional.

[olive lily]

does the item rarity in monolith affect the stage-reward as well or only monster drops?

[fervent quiver]

Oh I know, I was just giving examples of cases to look out for / where tooltip dps shouldn't be relied on

[glossy pike]

Hi guys. When it will be possible to play with friends in last Epoch please? Multiplayer I mean.

[dire mist]

when they add it

[teal raptor]

!multiplayer

[ripe brook]

Multiplayer's still in development. Here's the latest news: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/official-last-epoch-multiplayer-faq/42036.

[teal raptor]

@glossy pike

[balmy current]

Just the drops from mobs in the monolith. When you exit it to collect your reward you're no-longer in the mono so unaffected by any modifiers (you can get t7 exalts from a lvl 55 mono reward chest if you character level is above 90)..

[serene atlas]

How do I find shade of orobyss? info online isn't clear at all. says it's a miniboss in monoliths

[dense root]

travel out from the center

eventually you’ll find it

[serene atlas]

center of what and where

[dense root]

of the monolith

like it starts you out in the center and you do echoes to travel the web

go away from the center and you’ll find the shade

[serene atlas]

i'm still not following...

is it like... a special echo node for anywhere?

[dense root]

it’s a node called echo of a world

[cloud kindle]

Yes, it's a special echo node, with a pyramid form

[dense root]

it’s like a grey pyramid

[serene atlas]

gotcha. so I can be in the black sun and still find it? empowered only or non?

i'm still learning this game sorry >.>

[cloud kindle]

all timelines, empowered or not

[serene atlas]

oh the ones that reset the timelines

[lunar holly]

this thing

[serene atlas]

yeee i got it now 🙂 tyvm

[raw cypress]

Do the buffs from all the Blessings stack in any timeline or are they restricted to their respective timelines?

[brave ibex]

They're permanent buffs to your character, wherever you are

[serene atlas]

is there a specific place to farm Apathy's Maw? all i get from him is the ring

like a specific version of him?

[dense root]

you need a certain amount of corruption for maw to drop

don’t remember how much off the top of my head but it should be on either tunklabs or letools

i think it was 50 or 100 though

[raw cypress]

I'm trying farm one as well. 😅 33 corruption still got a long way to go

[serene atlas]

yeah i'm at like 116. just no luck

[dense root]

you should probably double check what the amount you need is since regular monoliths cap at 50 corruption i’m pretty sure

[serene atlas]

yeah regulars cap at 50

empowered starts at 100

[lunar holly]

maw is 50+ but farming corruption on regular is a waste of time tbh 😅

[serene atlas]

so it doesn't matter if he's frost, or vile?

[raw cypress]

I use this for now.

[dense root]

nah that’s just a description of the moves the shade has

[serene atlas]

ah okay cool. just really low drop it seems

[acoustic thicket]

What's the maximum skill point number you can get for one skill from all your items combined?
Right now I have +3 to Spriggan form (1 from body amour, 2 from relic)

[balmy current]

Depends on the skill, but I think +7 or so is the most generally

but that requires uniques

[urban horizon]

27 for spriggan form

[acoustic thicket]

Thank you!

[acoustic thicket]

Thank you too!

[fervent quiver]

Does life leech apply to pre-reduction or post-reduction damage? (so if I attack for 100 but the enemy only loses 10 hp, and I have 10% leech, will I get 10 or 1 hp back?)

[merry aspen]

Should be post-reduction since it leeches the damage you deal. And hey Toma 👋

[balmy current]

In addition to that, most mobs don't have resists or armour though they do have a level-based general damage reduction which can't be mitigated or avoided (with the possible exception of reflect/thorns), so the difference between pre- & post-mitigated damage is usually zero.

Or at least not worth thinking about since you can't do anything about it

[fervent quiver]

The internet is a smol place

[fervent quiver]

I was wondering what the point of that was. Is it so campaign mobs can be more easily adapted to endgame?

[balmy current]

Kinda? I'd assume it's to keep player damage / enemy hp inflation under control. You know something's going very wrong if you have to contract your damage numbers & add SI prefixes (b for billion, etc), a'la D3....

[fervent quiver]

Yeah, fair point

[tranquil kindle]

It's also to try to keep mechanics that scale with player damage, such as leech, a bit more under control, and avoid mechanics that scale inversely with monster health, such as freeze, falling off so hard. We haven't fulfilled these goals completely, but without this scaling damage reduction the situation would be about 6 times worse.

[fervent quiver]

That makes a lot of sense, thanks for explaining!

[terse burrow]

When using rune of ascendence, does the specific item subtype matter? if I want to gamble for a squirrel helm, will any helm do or do I need a horned cowl?

[knotty hinge]

any helm

[terse burrow]

okay thx

[sour nebula]

Hey all, so, I've not played for the last several months, and, today, I update the game and try to play, but, any time I try to play with my lvl 70 character, the game freezes up when I click "travel" on any map. Has anyone else seen/heard of something like this?

Other lower level characters seem to be working fine.

[terse burrow]

try to verify your files on steam

@sour nebula

[minor vigil]

how important is poison res? would it be better to have another health affix over capping poison res?

[native sail]

You can sacrifice some res to get more defense layers (health, endurance, block, dodge, etc) instead of over capping them in this game

[tired pond]

i've done whole campaign as a druid and reached 99 level with a poison as the only resist un-capped but keep in mind duid has a tons of leech

poison has just slow drain compared to other ailments so you have a time to not die instantly

[minor vigil]

oh ok thats perfect then

im running prism wraps/twisted heart so leech isn't an issue

[acoustic thicket]

Hi Guys I want to buy Last epoch what do you think the game already offers content?

[dense root]

there is plenty of content

the two main things that are missing are multiplayer (you can see how far along it is on the le website) and the last couple of classes (but there're still like a dozen of them)

[acoustic thicket]

Okey and how many item quality has this game?

[dense root]

do you mean different rarities?

i guess 6?

[acoustic thicket]

Yes

Ah I see cycle is something like seasons Okey I buy this game. Im done with diablo and POE. I need something new and Last epoch has for me Potential haha.

@dense root thanks for reply

[dense root]

it is worth noting we don't have cycles yet because those are part of multiplayer (which is still in progress like i said)

but yeah game is great

[native sail]

Soon™️

Or rather, eventually™️ I suppose. Don't wanna make it sound too quick

[acoustic thicket]

no matter if it isn't there yet. I bought the game and from now on the game is supported haha

pity for my playstation now it will sink into dust and my pc has been revived

[native sail]

Went down that path myself a few months ago

[acoustic thicket]

Well first of all the next gen games are just expensive and I just can't find any content or repeatability just OMG GRAPHICS THIS IS BRUTALLY SICK but in terms of content nothing exciting hmm

[native sail]

I completely skipped getting a PS5 because I could not find a single thing I wanted to play on it

Been out for over a year and the library is still really underwhelming

[acoustic thicket]

So buying Ps5 wasn't a mistake but what about playing there is just nothing that interests me I've only played Diablo 3 or POE YES I HAVE EXTRA PS5 JUST FOR DIABLO AND POE!! No, it wasn't planned that way when I looked at the prices and the reviews to play there wasn't anything interesting for me. And no Elden ring is completely boring for me I played it but play it again no boring fortunately my best buddy bought it and he regrets it and prefers bloodborne or dark souls. For me once all played never touched.

But anyway let's leave these next gen games and the console. Here's to a good future for Last Epoch!!!

[swift cairn]

What would be the best way to farm for unique helmets? I've been doing black sun for that squirrel helmet at 500 corruption for like 1 week, haven't seen a single one, starting to lose it XD. Maybe the new dungeons would help more? Any tips?? 🤔

[dense root]

farming the appropriate unique node in monoliths is the fastest way

so like you’re probably doing it right (i’m assuming black sun has helmets, don’t have that info memorized), just the item is rare

[swift cairn]

yeh black sun is helmets/shields

ah well, more farming then, thanks xD

[lunar holly]

I farmed bastion for a few months without luck and then got 2 in a row from rune of ascendance 😆

[swift cairn]

sounds about right

[ripe hinge]

how does this work exactly? The wiki does not say where it is located, and the map doesn't either

[knotty hinge]

Look up legendary items in game guide.

[ripe hinge]

yes, and it says you craft it in the dungeon, but the dungeon doesn't allow me to craft it right? Or am I missunderstanding the ui

[knotty hinge]

Press d and access it again

[ripe hinge]

Thanks man

U do have to be in the light realm

[native sail]

The past. Then you travel back to the future and it's been fused together. Maaaaaagic.

[versed tangle]

does singularity worth to use..?
it'a equal to only 20% of crit without any crit mult

[fervent quiver]

You could try throwing some runes of ascension on helmets in addition to that / take runes nodes if they're on the way for a chance at ascension runes.
Also, the starting modifiers for dungeons rotate daily, so if there ever is a "boss drops a unique helmet" day, that might be good to farm then.

[fervent quiver]

It's worth using if you don't plan on building crit anyway. It is meant to make crit less mandatory, which is a good thing in my opinion.

[swift cairn]

I've used like 25 of those so far

got everything except squirrel helm

[versed tangle]

ok.. its not for rogue at least that has crit vulnerability

[fervent quiver]

I don't know the other spec, but yeah, marksman is pretty crit-focused

[raw cypress]

Are we getting skin transfers(not mtx) some time in the future?

[balmy current]

Nobody knows what they're going to do vis-a-vis MTX

[sour nebula]

Hey, so, is the wiki that's on fandom.com the best one for this game? I'm noticing that at least the article for the arena is pretty out of date

and wondering what else might be

[knotty hinge]

Use https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ or https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/

[sour nebula]

thanks

[young tendon]

scales of eterra fire / cold. how do i make it good its very confusing to me for some reason

do you just gotta use only fire then only cold for a bit and repeat?

[fervent quiver]

Pick one element (lets say cold) for your main damage. Use a cold spell, then use a fire spell. Deal your damage with cold, gaining up to 90% more damage over the next 9 seconds. Then, you gain the cold overload. Immediately afterwards, you gain the fire overload, which removes the cold overload. Then, you deal your normal damage for 10 seconds. Afterwards, the cooldowns end and you start over at the beginning.

The important part is just to gain the first stack of cold infusion before you start gaining fire infusion, because the fire overload will remove the cold overload.

So tl;dr: Cast a spell of your main element, then immediately after, cast a spell of the other scales element. Then you can just keep using your main element and ignore the other.

[young tendon]

thanks

[fervent quiver]

Can this hit one enemy with multiple smites if I put multiple points into it?

[flint hare]

Just wanna confirm if there are no gloves/boots nodes on monoliths?

[knotty hinge]

Exalted nodes? Correct. Nor belt

[flint hare]

Alright thanks!

[flint hare]

Im guessing i have to look for boots, gloves, and belt upgrades in the new dungeons?

[native sail]

Or just random drops, but I imagine Soulfire would ease it a bit

[flint hare]

Got it, thanks!

[native sail]

Good luck, Soulfire gambling is rough sometimes

[fervent quiver]

Am I correct in thinking there is not enough block chance available to get to 100% block outside of using bulwark of the last abyss, which drains your hp?

[fervent quiver]

This converts ignite and bleed chance, but not their duration or effectiveness, right?

[brave ibex]

Correct

[runic eagle]

This just converts the Chance for blood and ignite to Electrify (lightning dmg over time)

[brave ibex]

And I think Sentinel can still cap 100% block? Sigils gives a lot of block chance, and Warpath too

[runic eagle]

Should be doable but havent tried it.

[brave ibex]

I did a few patches back, but they changed some shields, so maybe not

[runic eagle]

Well bastion is always an option for 100% block chance. If you have one around.

And a tier 7 block chance on an ironglass base would be 59% chance already.

[fervent quiver]

holy shit warpath is a lot of block. hmm.

I've been thinking about sigils, but even with 25 seconds duration it seems hard to keep 5 sigils up. They all have their own timer right? I can't just cast it once every 25 seconds to refresh the 5 stacks?

[fervent quiver]

yeah but like, it's kinda tough from there. at most 5+4% from relic, 2x4% from rings, 12% from tree. puts you at 88%.

I do think sigils are the best option if I dont wanna play warpath, just not sure if I can afford the mana

Plus im already super slot starved cause I wanna play triggered smite

I'd have to ditch javelin or lunge for sigils, neither of which I'd be happy about 😅

[brave ibex]

Most people use Volatile to cheat the mana cost. You can get decent uptime with the node that gives % chance to get a sigil on kill too

[fervent quiver]

yeah I definitely dont have the slots for that.

I don't suppose there is a block chance blessing is there? 😄

[brave ibex]

Nope, and this is why most people just equip Bastion and call it a day 😄

[fervent quiver]

yeah, probably what I should be doing

How far is the "nearby" of that shield anyway? How close do I need to be for it to work?

[brave ibex]

You can see the radius when you equip the shield

[fervent quiver]

oh, neat

thats just good design

[brave ibex]

Not quite

[fervent quiver]

Good enough, I can work with that

[daring aurora]

is the critical striuke chance from the Bladedancer passive "Deaths Door" added or increased crit chance? because it does not say increased, but 25% added seems a lot

[balmy current]

That's flat.

You could test it by equipping one of the low life items (Exsanguinous/Last Steps of the Living) & see what happens to your crit chance in your character screen.

[fervent quiver]

I used a dungeon to skip ahead in the campaign, but now I've got an unfinished part of the main quest stuck in my quest log. How do I get rid of it without completing the whole thing after all?

[balmy current]

You don't. You either keep the unfinished quest or go back & finish it.

[fervent quiver]

ugh.

[young tendon]

shields viable outside of sentinal?

[cold plaza]

yeah, absolutely. bastion is a big one, but even just a defensive Ironglass Shield is a good defensive layer. you might like this : https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/block

[young tendon]

nice i really like shields and wanna use em more on other classes. especially some of the elemental themed ones.

[pulsar needle]

is mana regen worth it (or above a certain % worth it?) i can grab 38% by spending 10passives and equipping a chronolabe catalyst. 10 passive points seems expensive to boost 20% regen. think i would really feel the effect of 38%? (necro summon build)

[fervent quiver]

your best shot is to find out. mana needs to be solved one way or another. if this vastly increases your damage uptime / consistency, it could be worth

[pulsar needle]

thats all its giving me, summon recast/uptime. do we know how much % = 1/s?

[fervent quiver]

You can see your current mana regeneration in the character panel - I believe base regeneration is 8 mana per second

[pulsar needle]

yea it is.

[fervent quiver]

which would mean you need 12.5% mana reg to increase it to 9

[pulsar needle]

hmm, so i'd pickup 3/s

[copper fable]

its not required to get 12.5%, its actually decimal values

the game simply rounds it.

So mana regen is valuable at any stat rate even if it does not bump character sheet stats.

[fervent quiver]

Yes, of course. This was just to get an estimate of how big the effect is

[topaz relic]

How does the temporal sanctum forge actually work?

like what stats does it take off the leg and exalt?

mb asking that didnt even realise there was a little help page under the forge

whoopy

[dusky kite]

random stats from among those present on the exalted, up to the number in legendary potential

in case anybody else wonders

[topaz relic]

and the tiers stay the same? so if a t1 gets picked itll be t1 on the leg

[dense root]

yes

it's the exact same stat with the same rolls and everything

[topaz relic]

awesome, thank you

[rotund timber]

is multiplayer out yet?

[dense root]

no

[cloud kindle]

!multiplayer

[ripe brook]

Multiplayer is still being worked on. Here's an update: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/official-last-epoch-multiplayer-faq/42036.

[rotund timber]

Ok cya in a few months. Good luck 👍

[sinful vine]

Do any of you use an ultrawide monitor but a lower resolution? I do it for the sake of the frames but the game constantly goes back to 2560x1080 from 1920, when I change zones. Anyone know this issue?

[quartz jackal]

what is a good build for speed clearing monoliths?

[marsh maple]

this patch I really enjoyed bleed shield rush

paladin*

it was really enjoyable

[upbeat cloud]

How's the state of the game currently? I am considering picking it up. Long-time Grim Dawn playtester here, looking for something else to enjoy some time with. Everyone happy? Favorite aspects of the game? Complaints? (I read something about end-game key drop rates being low)

[split hinge]

I just started a few days ago, so not much of an opinion.
But I'm enjoying it so far 🙂 Smooth gameplay, fun skills, lots of options but not TOO overwhelming

Have yet to REALLY settle on a build, have re-rolled like 3-4 and haven't finished the campaign yet^^

[pliant shadow]

I was in this phase when I started, for me it’s a good problem to have multiple builds/classes to want to be playing

I recommend picking one that can do empowered monoliths easy, this opens up a ton of exalteds, dungeon keys, and uniques hopefully some with good LP

I did that for a week or two and it set me up for future fun very well, get a stash full of goodies and options

[sharp quartz]

There was someone with this issue on the forums a while back... If I recall, they had to set their windows resolution to 1920x1080, start the game, set it in-game to 1920x1080 and then close LE and reset Windows back to 2560x1080 - it seemed to "fix" the issue for them on subsequent LE runs. They also had to change the Window mode to see which version worked for them (fullscreen vs windowed vs borderless)... (note: GPU driver update & game file verification just in case). If none of that works, you could try playing LE with the standalone version and force the resolution - see https://docs.unity3d.com/2019.4/Documentation/Manual/PlayerCommandLineArguments.html

[sinful vine]

Very interesting, will take a look, thanks a bunch!

[meager siren]

Can you ever reach 100% crit chance, if so, what happens after that? Does the extra chance go to waste?

[split hinge]

no idea^^

[dire mist]

rogue can very easily, and yes, there's no benefit to going over 100%

[fervent quiver]

Unless of course you're running something like Ignivar's Head

[dense remnant]

yeah 100% crit chance isn't super difficult to get to

but theres no specific like 'if at 105% crit chance, you have 5% chance to do a double-mega crit', it will only impact items/passives/things that scale or something equivalent based on crit chance

[fervent quiver]

That would honestly be kind of cool considering ailments work in a similar way

[lavish dew]

Anyone know if the Hellfire node in Infernal shade is bugged or intentionally bad ? (currently it autotargets enemies so it will auto rewrite the shade already on an enemy instead of placing on the ground)

[balmy current]

There haven't been any bug reports on it so it's likely just "bad"

[fair tusk]

Is it possible to use 2 items that have the affix less bonus damage taken from critical strikes or didnt stack they? Leviathan Carver with 70% and the Fiery Dragon Shoes with 77% when im wear them both, i should be crit immun or ?

[brittle atlas]

if you have both you'd take no extra damage from crits

[fair tusk]

so im crit immun nice ty

[lavish dew]

I was thinking of reporting it as a bug because I feel its the autotargeting which is needed for the enemy/minion version that is messing with the on ground version. Just wasn't sure if its been discussed before

[balmy current]

I'm not sure it's a bug per se, since it's doing what it's supposed to do, you cast it on the ground & whenever a mob is nearby it then moves to the mob. It's definitely feedback though, so create a thread on the forum for it.

[lavish dew]

Nono I'm not talking about Lingering pain (ground 10 sec-attach) I'm talking about Hellfire(can be cast on the ground without target) In its current state you cannot cast on the ground when there is an enemy near the cursor as it will autotarget the enemy and overwrite the shade already on the enemy instead of casting on the ground.

[balmy current]

Yes, I know. That's also what I'm talking about.

[lavish dew]

This is the description of what Lingering pain does not hellfire are they doing the same thing then ?

[teal raptor]

The wording implies it should not go to an enemy but stay in place. The node specifically says in the bottom "remains on ground".

[dense remnant]

'In its current state you cannot cast on the ground when there is an enemy near the cursor'

From the skill description: 'You may cast Infernal Shade on a ground location without a target in range'

I do think what you want should be how it works, but its not a bug. The skill specifies that its only if theres not a target in range.

(im assuming its some limitation or something with how they wanted it to work, which is why it behaves like that)

[tardy moth]

Does attack/cast speed affect channels? What about channeled mana cost/sec?

I'm under the running assumption that channels are affected but the mana cost doesn't increase.

[urban horizon]

Cast speed only affects how fast the channel starts and does nothing to mana cost/sec. Attack speed scales how many hits channeled melee/bow abilities do and does not affect mana cost/sec

[tardy moth]

Okay, so casts/sec inside a channel is unaffected by cast speed?

Only its startup animation.

[urban horizon]

Yeah

[tardy moth]

Alright, thanks.

[meager siren]

uhm, is there any way to further craft an item with 0 forging potential?

[knotty hinge]

no

[meager siren]

sadface

[jolly karma]

Hey guys, was there a rollback yesterday/today?

[cloud kindle]

no

and as the game is totally local, all is on your PC

[jolly karma]

I made a new character and leveled it to 60 yesterday. But now when i start the game the character is gone 😦

[cloud kindle]

same PC?

[jolly karma]

Yep!

[mystic acorn]

Was there any message about steam cloud saves not matching local or anything?

[cloud kindle]

Maybe see Steam synchronization, or you have a corrupted file in that case

all is local

[mystic acorn]

Have you been using any character save editors?

[jolly karma]

I'm not linked to steam. I restarted the PC cos of a windows update, that's all.

[jolly karma]

No editors, i don't even know where the files are saved

[cloud kindle]

Files are in C:\Users%USERNAME%\AppData\LocalLow\Eleventh Hour Games\Last Epoch\Saves see if you have a backup copy there

[mystic acorn]

Users/You/AppData/LocalLow/EleventhHourGames/LastEpoch/Saves

[jolly karma]

Ok, i see files here, but how do i activate them?

[mystic acorn]

They should already be active

Or there is nothing you should need to do. If it isn't reading them correctly I would recommend relaunching the game and if that still doesn't work try to verify game files/reinstall the game

[jolly karma]

Ah well, it was all the summoner leveling uniques, time to farm new stuff. Thanks for trying to help any way guys ❤️

[dire mist]

unless the mod has a subtext to say its actually reduced, it would actually be like taking ~93% less bonus damage taken from critical strikes (0.3 x 0.23)

[balmy current]

Except they're the same stat so they're additive with each other (capped at 100%).

What you're describing would be how the Primalist's Berserker & Aspect of the Boar nodes work.

[dire mist]

so they are actually reduced extra dmg from crits?

and not less

[dense remnant]

its less bonus damage taken, as it says on the affix

if you have 100% or more, less bonus damage taken from crits

you take no bonus damage from crits

if you have two of the affix, they add together, because theres two of them

The same way if you have two increased physical damage, both at say, 50%, you now have 100% increased physical damage

[dire mist]

that is reduced behaviour

less is a multiplier

[dense remnant]

its labelled as less, so ill call it less

theres no other modifiers to bonus damage from crits you recieve, so it doesnt really matter what it says

so its simple to just go by what it says in game

as anyone can look at the affix and see it says 'less bonus damage taken'

so everyone knows what everyone is talking about

[dire mist]

what it says ingame is the keyword for multiplier, which implies this behaviour

[dense remnant]

wait until you discover you can get 100% on one item

[dire mist]

i know that t5 can hit 100%

[dense remnant]

so wheres the confusion?

[dire mist]

if you have 2 sources of it

they should stack multiplicatively, not additively

[dense remnant]

i think its pretty logical to assume that if you can get 100% of it on one item, having two sources of it that added together hit 100 or more, means you're not taking any bonus damage

[dire mist]

if it says reduced, yes

but it says less

[dense remnant]

so are you thinking that it doesnt actually do 100% less bonus damate taken, if you have it on two items and it totals 100+?

or are just annoyed that it says less

cus if the latter you could just leave some feedback in the relevant channels, or the forums

if the first, and you dont believe it does, you could throw a question into the ask the devs channel

(though it most assuredly does, they even changed how it was worded and how it worked, to specify this interaction)

[dire mist]

if they changed how it's worded to be less now and 70 + 77 = 147 they fucked up

because if it IS actually using LESS then it is 0.3 x 0.23

[dense remnant]

again, if your issue is with it saying less, throw it into the relevant channel as feedback

i can see why its confusing you, i just personally dont think theres any issue with it, so i mean, im not and im just gonna say that it can do 100% less damge taken if you had 75+25

[copper fable]

Yeah you should do that, cause I agree with monet, its stupid that it would say less when the game guide goes over how less works

the wording is literally not correct 😛

[dire mist]

there is a huge issue because they're 2 very different functions

if it said +x% less bonus dmg taken it would make sense

[copper fable]

Has anyone actually tested it/confirmed it either way? Before this most recent rework of fiery dragon shoes, was there even multiple sources of the stat?

[dire mist]

does the stat even show up on the stat sheet lol

[copper fable]

Seems to not show up, only crit avoidance

[thorn rune]

its because LE’s tooltip convention, borrowed from PoE, is that “increased”/“decreased” implies additive and “more”/“less” implies multiplicative. So yes it should go to the relevant channel because it looks like an error

[tardy moth]

In terms of per-spellcast effects, if ele nova is turned into a channeled ability, the only per-spellcast activation of ele nova is when the channel is initiated, correct?

[balmy current]

It's kinda not, since it's multiplying the bonus damage you take by 1-x% where x is your "less bonus damage taken from crits". If it were reduced, then you'd need >100% based on how much crit multi you've given the mobs by the mono modifiers you've picked.

If, for example, the mobs have 300% crit multi, then they get 200% "bonus damage". So the 100% less bonus damage from crits would have the effect -> 200% * (1 - 100%) = 200% * ( 0 ) = 0% "bonus damage". If it were reduced, then it'd be 200% - 100% = 100% bonus damage (so you'd take double the damage of a normal hit). Since that stat works as the first example, it's a more/less modifier, not an increased/reduced modifier.

[brave ibex]

There's mono mods that give crit multi?

[fervent quiver]

@balmy current The issue those people have is simply that the terminology is borrowed from poe but doesn't behave the same as in poe in some cases. Which I don't see a problem with because this isn't poe, just saying.

[dire mist]

this is also incorrect, that would be reduced enemy critical strike multiplier

defensively the terminology for this stat is a fucking mess

the way it works in PoE is additively, so if you get 37% + 40% + 20% "reduced extra damage taken" from critical strikes, you would be taking 97% less extra dmg from any crit, regardless of the multiplier (400% > 109%, 200% > 103%)

the wording in LE implies that if you get 37 + 40 + 20% "Less bonus damage taken" from critical strikes, you would only have 70% less extra dmg from crits (400% > 190%, 200% > 130%)

eh that image should say 0.63x0.6x0.8 = 0.3024, w/e

[meager siren]

Is there some sort of easier and better way of farming for Drelkor's Compass or Runes of Ascendance?

[fervent quiver]

For runes of ascendance or glyphs of despair I've found the lightless arbor to be pretty good. One of the options there is "add a glyph of despair to every chest" or "add a rune of ascendance to every chest". So you can get 6 of them that way since you can get 6 chests.

[meager siren]

cool, ty

[balmy current]

@olive tinsel said there was, but I'll be damned if I can see any here: https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/timelines

[balmy current]

That's not additive, that's multiplicative. If it were additive, you'd be adding the modifiers together then applying them, rather than applying them separately (as more damage modifiers are handled in PoE).

[balmy current]

Having thought about it, I don't disagree with you on this, since you're adding the modifiers together than applying them. Have you tried #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs why it is how it is?

[copper fable]

I mean has anyone actually tested it and proved it. literally 0.8.5 is the first time it matters. There was not two sources of less damage of bonus damage of crits till then

As far as I can tell it would be very hard/annoying to test, so anyone claiming that its 100% for certain additive seems suspect since they have tested it since the patch dropped and confirmed it? or are just assuming it works a certain way.

[jolly karma]

Is there any way to contact support?

I've created 3 necromancers, 3 days in a row now and every day when i start the game the character is gone but the save files are still there.

[lunar holly]

!support

[ripe brook]

Need a hand? Just head on down to https://support.lastepoch.com/ for support articles or to reach out to us directly.

[thick rock]

Tuesday, June 15, 2021 11:04 AM

US$ 240
Fulfilled

Is it normal to wait this long for physical items? I got an email at some point that it went to someone in Miami (wrong country), and support never got back to me

[thorn rune]

I have no idea what this is but I'm guessing your item's long gone lmao

assuming the goods are LE-related, I am not sure ELG can help you, you needed to contact whatever company is doing the delivery

you can try now, but at nearly 1 year since they sent your delivery to the wrong country, I would not get my hopes up

[olive tinsel]

???

[thick rock]

Yea it was LE supporter pack thingy, rough lol

[thorn rune]

I'm sorry to tell you the bad news

if it's any comfort, I've lost things worth way more than US$240 thanks to terrible delivery companies

[thick rock]

It was LE that e-mailed me saying it was going to Miami though so not sure who to blame xD oh well

[delicate dust]

If you're encountering issues with receiving supporter pack goods, please submit a support ticket here: https://support.lastepoch.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=4417360257179 with the relevant information. We'll most certainly take a look into the shipping information with you and do whatever we can to get it resolved.

[thorn rune]

^ ah, you can try @thick rock

[balmy current]

I've been waiting since December 2020 for my playmat, still not received it yet. Sent in multiple tickets/emails/etc. 😦 I got the t-shirt last year some time, just not the playmat (which has gone through a revision & they were out of stock for a while, etc)...

[stone granite]

It does seem to move slow but I've gotten both playmats in that time so you should have received it by now

[balmy current]

I know I should have, I've just not for some reason.

I mean, I know Brexit was a thing, but...

[cold plaza]

i see people saying "dot is getting nerfed," and "it's been confirmed". Is that a thing? anyone have a link?

i might just be ootl

[dire mist]

was the nerf to flurry last patch

the channeled version was double dipping on attack speed, and with the shockwaves was applying bleed/poison waaaay too much

[cold plaza]

is there a known future DOT nerf coming? I think that's what these people are refering to

[copper fable]

I mean im pretty sure the devs have commented on poison being clearly overtuned, but I dont think there is a general "we are gonna nerf all dot" claims

[balmy current]

Nope, other than the devs having to sort out how poison functions in a multiplayer environment, they've not said they're going to nerf it as such

Though poison's shred has been nerfed many times over the past few years.

[woeful comet]

Can anyone recommend a "machine gun" like build? I know there's Ice Barrage and Flurry, but are there any others?
I miss the Spriggan machine gun pet build

[lunar holly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZ7hD0LrRk this might do the job .. kinda 😅

[marsh maple]

ew why would you link that build @lunar holly

[carmine palm]

https://streamable.com/ktnp0m Can anyone tell me why my GB chance lowers as soon as I enter an Echo? Can't seem to figure out why

[dire mist]

you have the dodge chance > glancing blow chance node

your dodge chance is lowered by the area level

[carmine palm]

ooooh

thanks!

[brave ibex]

Am I missing something, or are you forced to take damage sometimes during the Bastion fight? Like the entire floor will be fire and he'll do a necrotic wave or something. At T4 that can straight up just kill you

[brittle atlas]

What class are you?

[fervent quiver]

Not sure about this, but it felt to me that the floor fire gets more as the fight progresses, so if the entire floor is fire you took too long to kill him? I haven't tried the dungeon at T4 yet though, just my impressions so far.

[brittle atlas]

Everything except primalist has tools to ignite the necrotic ring as far as I know

Alternatively, just kill him faster, yeah.

[dense remnant]

wait you can ignite it?

ive just been last second swapping back and forth lmao

[brave ibex]

Yeah didn't know that either, so I was missing something 😄

[fervent quiver]

Well, that explains that. I never knew that either.

[brittle atlas]

Ignore, rather. Sick autocorrect xd

I just sit in fire shield the entire time

[fervent quiver]

oh

now I'm sad

changing the element of an enemys attack in that dungeon seems like a really cool mechanic 😄

[brittle atlas]

Sentinel can Rebuke it, Rogue can shift, Acolyte can Transplant, Mage can teleport, Primalist hopes he’s tanky enough to survive it I guess because I doubt fury leap works

But ye, I’ve been doing T4 bastion with 0% necrotic res and never using the necrotic shield

The normal mob necrotic damage isn’t super dangerous and the boss necrotic damage can all be avoided

[brave ibex]

That's weird though, because Mike has always spoken about their philosophy being "we can only ever assume the player can 1) move and 2) basic attack" (and 3) use dungeon ability)

Doesn't really match up if the only way to avoid it is with a movement skill or by facetanking

[brittle atlas]

I mean, you can avoid the ring with the dungeon skill if you want, right? The fire floor doesn’t instantly kill you, yeah?

[dense remnant]

^

the floor dot is a gear check mechanic, not a 'do you have a mitigation ability' mechanic

but if you have mitigation, you can circumvent the gear check

[brittle atlas]

It’s like Julra and being intended to always take a tick of the void pool when you switch- we’ve just broken the fight to remove that mechanic with the switch back

T4 IMO is definitely intended to have at least some level of gear check

Though IMO, glass cannons are still too good for the dungeons

[dense remnant]

yeah id agree

doing dungeons on hardcore is very much just 'if i did more damage in exchange for risk, this would probably be easier, but id hate myself if i died, so im just going to overgear to fuck becasue spooky'

[fervent quiver]

Well, TIL. You can switch back while the pool is on you to avoid it?

[brittle atlas]

No, you switch back before it appears

Basically switch over, wait 2-3 seconds for the explosion, switch back

You won’t get the pool

[fervent quiver]

ah, I see.

[brittle atlas]

I’d expect it to be fixed at some point

I’m pretty sure the devs have said it is unintended

[fervent quiver]

I actually just tanked the explosion with a silver shroud / rebuke lately 😄

[brittle atlas]

Yeah, if you have rebuke it’s super easy to survive.

You can also shift or lethal mirage it

As long as you have a cleanse for the doom stacks or sufficient void res/recovery you’ll be fine

[fervent quiver]

cleanse on potion use feels like such an important stat to have

[brittle atlas]

I honestly almost never use it

Hasn’t seemed necessary for monoliths and the main builds I use for dungeons now kill stuff before they do much of anything tbh

Being wraith necro and poison UB bladedancer

[fervent quiver]

I use it a lot, but I guess you can probably ignore the stuff too.
My aura of decay lich only works because I can cleanse every couple seconds 😂

[brittle atlas]

Both of those builds are killing Julra before or just after the first explosion, so not much need to cleanse

[fervent quiver]

On T4? Yikes.

I avoid build guides and stuff, so I rarely get to see how terrible my builds actually are 😂

[brittle atlas]

Yeah, they’re doing some pretty insane damage at the moment

Would not expect them to survive the next major patch or two

With my current gear, the bladedancer is doing about 40m dummy dps and the necro is about 7-8m

Maybe more on the necro, much harder to gauge dps there because of how many numbers it vomits out with 16+ wraiths hitting stuff

[fervent quiver]

I'm kinda sad that my aura of decay necro didn't work out the way I wanted, I like the skill. But there's so much stuff to build around that I just pick something else to try 😄

[brittle atlas]

Yeah, AoD has been in a pretty disappointing spot for a while now

Has pretty average or even below average damage on top of the extra stress it puts on your gear and recovery to survive it

[fervent quiver]

Yeah, but it is to be expected that not all skills can shine. Hopefully it'll get it's time in the light eventually 😄

Comparing it to poe's righteous fire, the self-damage is much harder to mitigate cause your offensive scaling also increases the selfdamage, which is part of the problem.

[brittle atlas]

Yup

[fervent quiver]

Like, even stuff like your poison penetration works against you, making what is usually pretty important a dead stat for AoD

because 25% poison pen makes you take double damage from AoD

[brittle atlas]

yeah, I played around with trying to push it when poison lich first got nerfed in like 082 or 083 or something

and could get the damage up to like...800-900k on the dummy, but the self-damage was unsurvivable if you didn't have stuff to hit constantly to leech from

might be a bit better with legendaries now, but yeah

[fervent quiver]

Yeah, I actually tried to go the exsanguinous route and see if I could get enough ward regen to outregen the poison while still having a decent "poison-stable" ward pool.

[brittle atlas]

oh not even close

[fervent quiver]

But that just didnt leave me with enough ward, yeah

[brittle atlas]

ward generation is so much weaker than leech

[fervent quiver]

I know, but I like it too much 😄

[balmy current]

Depends how many stacks you've got on you, but 25% pen by itself is always going to be 25% more damage. If you've got any poison stacks, it'll be a less (10 stacks = 20% shred so you'd go from taking 120% of the damage to 145% = 21% more).

[brittle atlas]

I was thinking the same thing llama- but does the area-level-based pen apply to yourself?

I thought it was letting enemies penetrate your resists, so if it works like that you should have an actual 75% DR against your self damage, no?

[fervent quiver]

yeah, I thought thats how it works

the game at least says enemies penetrate per area, and AoD is your own damage

Also the poison res shred from AoD isn't really relevant cause any AoD build would overcap poison res enough to be able to ignore that.

[brittle atlas]

yes, if you're in reaper you end up with like

200-300% poison res iirc

granted, that was before we had salt the wound, so maybe you're not stacking so much int for poison effect now?

[fervent quiver]

salt the wound turns crit multi into poison effect, what does that have to do with int?

[brittle atlas]

the int scaling on AoD is poison effect

[fervent quiver]

Oooh, that's what you meant

And yeah, that was the reason I wanted to try ward, since you already stack int like crazy 😄

Gimme ward leech, it would totally not be absurdly broken 😂

[brave ibex]

Twisted Heart is probably the closest thing we'll get to ward leech

[quartz jackal]

What build should i play

[fervent quiver]

One you enjoy. What's your goal in the game? Do you wanna be minmax strongest character ever? Then find a meta build. Do you like building and exploring yourself? Pick an archetype you enjoy and try to build around that.

[quartz jackal]

i have no goal honestly

i like mindlesly running around while i kill everything

[fervent quiver]

Then you should probably pick a build that lets you play while not thinking too much. Minions maybe?

[balmy current]

Not sure TBH, can't remember if the devs have commented on it or not.

[fervent quiver]

can this kill you?

[balmy current]

Yes, it's a flat hp cost

[fervent quiver]

Dang

[dusty plover]

Any Dubliners here?

[abstract aspen]

am I the only one who preferred the vertical style of passive skill tree?? 😄

[eager magnet]

You are not

[abstract aspen]

i hope in the future they can add an option to view the passive tree vertically lol

[viscid musk]

I actually prefered the vertical one aswell. I think it was more unique, now its basically like Grim Dawn. I also liked that you could have the character sheet and passives open at the same time to compare.
I dont mind at the end and i got used to it, its up to ehg what they prefer how their game looks like.

[lunar holly]

And when it was vertical it was basically like Titan Quest ? 🤣

[viscid musk]

I thought titan quest has the same layout as grim dawn?

[lunar holly]

https://imgur.com/vCP9bAj

[viscid musk]

Dayum, then i take back the word "unique". But i still prefer vertical one :)

Torchlight also had the vertical skill system right? Also not full screen?

[fervent quiver]

Aspect of the Boar is the only aspect you can't apply to your minions, right?

[fervent quiver]

If I have multiple wolves, does this apply to all of them when I target one, or only the one I targeted?

[balmy current]

Just the one targeted I believe.

[fervent quiver]

Thank you.

Does this require a direct kill with another skill, or can this trigger if an enemy dies to an ailment applied by a skill other than Fury Leap?

[vapid aspen]

In general, ailments applied by a skill are still considered damage from that skill.

[delicate dust]

"this trigger if an enemy dies to an ailment applied by a skill other than Fury Leap".

[fervent quiver]

Thank you!

[fervent quiver]

When I use howl myself, will this buff apply to all wolves, or none, or a random one?

[fervent quiver]

would this apply to ailments applied by entangling roots?

[delicate dust]

If you're using the command - howl, all wolves howl.

[delicate dust]

this only applies to the root's damage, not ailments it inflicts

[fervent quiver]

Thank you very much!
There are so many little things to pay attention to, and I greatly appreciate all the help I get in this discord

[fervent quiver]

If my companion is currently downed, and I don't have any other minions, do I still count as having a minion?

[terse burrow]

I believe so since they're still on your bar

[brittle atlas]

as long as they are still downed yes

a downed spriggan for example still provides its aura

[fervent quiver]

awesome

[wintry lion]

So I'm stuck in monolith 85 (I'm 83 and boss seems to tough without a perfect run). How can I make progress to get stronger?

[dense remnant]

whats causing you problems with the boss?

[midnight timber]

can always switch monoliths, get more levels/gear, and come back

[safe dove]

Hi is there no damage conversions in weapons ?

For example have Freeze/Cold warpath

[dire mist]

damage conversions are on uniques or the skills themselves

[safe dove]

I see thanks

[brittle atlas]

of note, if you want warpath to do cold damage, use a weapon with flat cold damage

it won't be able to freeze, but yeah

[lost delta]

Anyone hear anything on how they are thinking of doing loot with MP? Curious if there have been any thoughts thrown out by EHG yet that I missed.

[safe dove]

I'm hoping its the standard loot system from D2 so when you play with your friends as in group found its much more fun to think and help each other with items instead of everyone having their own loot

[safe dove]

oww

[random dock]

it's in the MP FAQ

here https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/official-last-epoch-multiplayer-faq/42036

[safe dove]

Rip my dreams

[native sail]

I prefer instanced loot for multiplayer games in general. Shared loot leaves to frustration imo.

[safe dove]

True if your playing with randoms it is but if you HC with friends its more fun it adds to the game value

As in helping each other out and stuff

[brittle atlas]

you can still do that

[tired pond]

the option - sure - but not change this since I'm addicted to horizontal style like most ARPG before played has.

[shy terrace]

You can still just pick up items and give them to each other 🤷‍♂️

[jolly karma]

Is it possible to target farm idols? (for example, i want the smite proc chance on hammer throw)

[brave ibex]

You can get blessings that increase the chance of certain idol bases dropping, and take idol reward nodes in monos. That's about it

[jolly karma]

Oh, i don't have blessings yet, only 15 :p thanks for the tip though!

[brave ibex]

Those smite idols can be a pain to find, and you need a few of them to get that build going

[jolly karma]

Sadge 😦 maybe i can play Warpath until i find them?

[brave ibex]

You could probably just play Hammer Throw or pure Smite, and it'd make the transition pretty painless when you get the idols

[ancient field]

How do I force a resolution if it's not in the options menu? As I am on Linux, I'd like to set the resolution to 3840x1080 and use FSR, but I can only use native 5110x1440 (or other formats)

[copper fable]

Does anyone know if the projectile speed of hammers effects how far they go? I dont have spiral hammers, just normal hammers

[eternal owl]

ok last epochians, I've made too many builds, and I need to narrow it down to 1 build. which one of these do you think I will be most satisfied with in the long run.

Sorc - Fireball/Arcane Ascendence
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/NoXzlVEQ

Paladin - Vengeance/Judgement
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/volVRDVQ

Spellblade - Mana Strike/Firebrand
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/3ApbRbdB

Spellblade - Surge/Flamereave/Fireball
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/9QnaRrEA

Paladin - Zdps Healer
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/YQWXrX3B

[minor fractal]

what's the point of a zdps healer?

[eternal owl]

multiplayer only build, just having it ready for when MP drops. So I guess the question is 2 fold. Which one should I play before MP, and which should I play after MP drops

[minor fractal]

wait wait wait when is MP dropping?

[dense remnant]

when its ready

its (hopefully) very likely that a lot of skills see some changes for multiplayer

if we had multiplayer right now, people would be pushing practically infinity in arena together

infinite taunt, stuns, etc...

so i wouldnt worry about theorycrafting support builds etc... right now (and if you do, just make a decoy build, or rather, any build with decoy and smoke bomb)

[eternal owl]

and then i'll likely not have to redo it from scratch and it'll be much more convenient to have the rough scratch i have, at the very least becoming more familiar with the overall concept and so when patch notes change things I will understand it more, and actually looking at those heal numbers I'm almost certain they will change it, it looks really op, rough estimate of like 10000 heals per second, from ?7 sources. something around this

I played a Decoy/Smokebomb toon, abandoned it at 85 though. it didn't make the list of potential things I might main

[dense remnant]

i would say that not having holy aura in a planned support build is missing some big value

[split hinge]

Yeah, it's super depressing to farm for build-enabling idols on the actual character/build that needs them.

If you want to stick to the character, either play with a different primary skill that doesn't utilize smite, or if you'd rather keep the hammerdin theme and gameplay, look around at pure hammer throw builds
(bleed hammerdin seems fairly popular).

[jolly karma]

Thanks a lot for the detailed response, appreciate the feedback 🙂

[smoky briar]

hi guys, am new here

not sure if this is the right forum to ask..

is there a way to automatically cast Sigils of Hope only when one's effect expires?
the numlock trick autocasts it on cooldown which is way more frequent than it has to be, it ends up refreshing sigils every second or so and it eats up all my mana

i play warpath ignite paladin, and sigil does not look like i need it i just have a slot to specialize a skill in and i thought this might help with healing. I have warpath, lunge, smite and holy aura. (i use warpath proccing smite , i specced into smite healing so i use that mechanics as sustain)

[copper fable]

Nope, you will have to cast them yourself or rely on the 5% on kill effect

[smoky briar]

dont think its worth it then, as the majority of my healing comes from Smite anyway.

what do you recommend as fifth skill to spec in, then?

volatile reversal seems good with void rifts incearing damage taken stuff

[copper fable]

yeah VR is basically if you dont mind blinking around probably one of the most overpowered utility skills, for DoT it can double your damage or more, its nutty.

[sharp quartz]

Hey there.... LE uses the Unity Game engine 2019.4 LTS version which doesnt support AMD FSR so I doubt you will get that working - at least not with any satisfactory results - I read somewhere that there is a driver level FSR (i.e. games dont have to support it directly) in the works but who knows.... Regarding the resolution... Not sure, you could set your desktop to that resolution before launching the game (that might work) or you could attempt to run the game with command line parameters to set the resolution (see https://docs.unity3d.com/2019.4/Documentation/Manual/PlayerCommandLineArguments.html) - No idea if any of that will work but it cant hurt to try.... One note on resolution tho.... odd resolutions can have unexpected side effects on the UI layout etc...

[native sail]

Can confirm, my resolution is a little weird and there's a couple (inconsequential) things that don't quite fit on the screen.

[smoky briar]

i just killed lagon and it turns out smite doesnt cast on him 😦 no healing

[native sail]

It does cast, his hitbox is just weird so the healing AoE won't catch you

[smoky briar]

i mean even if it casted on him i wasnt in smites range

even tho i maxed out its aoe

[native sail]

There was a time where certain things couldn't even hit him

[smoky briar]

btw, for warpath ignite, in endgame its sceptre+shiled right? 100 fire pen on sceptre seems insanely op and shields are good defense. I think i only lose out some damage by having less percent of ignite and damage mods on an 1h weapon instead of a 2h?

im only level 50ish so idk, im using this right now, seems op

[native sail]

I honestly can't tell you, I have never played Warpath and probably never will, not a fan of the skill or skills like it in other games

[copper fable]

yes you want to use a sceptre for the pen

[sharp quartz]

Lagons hitbox is way down below the ledge generally out of range of most things... Its one of the reasons certain skills (and minions) have hassles with his fight. As a workaround, if you aim for the ledge just in front of him, you can usually get things to work after a fashion.... Devs know about his issues... Lagon definitely needs therapy....

[soft peak]

I have a question for you all: Does Lost Epoch need an online connection at all times to play it?

[native sail]

Right now I'm pretty sure it doesn't need one at all

[sharp quartz]

Just for the login & chat components and certain instances where the game "phones" home for other things like ladders or bugs..

[soft peak]

oh

[smoky briar]

i played it a year ago without internet just fine, idk about now

[soft peak]

I am more so concerned in terms of if my connection were to fluctuate for whatever reason, would my game suddenly just run terribly?

[native sail]

So far there hasn't been any actual evidence of EHG going back on the game being playable offline

The game itself is entirely client side right now

[sharp quartz]

Nah... you should be fine for that... once logged in... and you can disable chat...

[soft peak]

So if I can't login I can't play basically?

obv give feedback and all that in game is acceptable to me

but yeah

[native sail]

Lemme turn my internet off real quick to test

Seems like you need a connection to login right now but after that it doesn't matter (unless you need ladder or chat)

[soft peak]

I see

[muted plank]

I wonder... does offline Arena and then going online update your Ladder?

Because if so, then there must be a local storage, and it sounds like there could be some way to exploit manually typing in a wave number, thus circumventing cheated perfect builds

Just a pondering I'm having

[soft peak]

I'll consider buying it to be sure

[brave ibex]

Not sure on the specifics, but cheating is rampant right now in arena

[muted plank]

Yes, I know, a real shame 😠

Just a thing that popped into my mind

[sharp quartz]

Dont know ... never tried... but your Arena progress is stored in your character savegame file right now... probably to allow Arena memory keys etc to work.... Dont know if it "uploads" after the game detects you are online again...

[muted plank]

Ah interesting

Thanks for the reply

Might test it out (the offline/online thing, not cheating to be clear)

[sharp quartz]

one thing is for sure... they definitely should apply a simple savegame obfuscation/encryption method before launch... Fine for now during beta to help debug but its too easy for anyone to just open a savegame and change things... ToS doesnt really stop anyone.

[muted plank]

I agree

[copper fable]

its a shame cause I actually enjoy seeing arena pushing content but it feels pointless when the ladder is messed up 😔

[smoky briar]

there are people cheating arena this way

[muted plank]

Really? I thought it was genuine pushes but with like Tier 50 items

[smoky briar]

not exactly this way

[muted plank]

Thanks for the clarification, guess I don't need to test after all

[native sail]

I unironically considered editing save files to test out what the max possible block chance and effectiveness would be with The Slab

[copper fable]

slab buffs when

[soft peak]

What does save editing in this game even allow you to do?

I doubt it's anything like

too crazy relatively speaking

[native sail]

Unobtainable items and stats

[soft peak]

The former doesn't sound bad if you aren't referring to modded gear

[sharp quartz]

Just about anything... 4LP legendaries, infinite gold, T7 items, level boosts... anything you want if you take the time to reverse engineer the data...

[native sail]

I am in fact referring to modded gear

I don't mean unobtainable as in unreleased, I mean stuff that is impossible to exist

[soft peak]

oh I see

does the game even have interesting affixes to mess around with that you'd want to modify your gear?

[native sail]

Sure does

[muted plank]

Yes

[soft peak]

Yeah fair enough

[muted plank]

Many

[soft peak]

I'd mod my gear for single player eventually just to try stupid things

it's what I did eventually once I more or less played like hundreds of hours in D3

just add stupid affixes to gear

but I doubt people have intentions like mine across the board and just keep it to singleplayer

and they just wanna get on top of the leaderboards

[native sail]

Eventually I'll get one with some LP copium

[soft peak]

Doom

[copper fable]

my 1lp one is sitting in my stash cause ive not dropped a t6 melee crit in 5ever.

[sharp quartz]

Dont worry, they do drop.... got a 3LP one that I am now farming the right exalted item for.... Thats what everyone forgets, you have to farm 2 different hard to get items for legendaries... hard grind....

[native sail]

I'm not even using that part of it actually. I'm using it for the leech and damage

[soft peak]

Does this game have anything like PoE's spectres? I'll probably just play a Summoner build anyway as I like doing those always, but I am just curious to know

[native sail]

Cuz MA does funny shit

[native sail]

There's a few different kinds of minions, they all play pretty differently. Nothing like "raise literally an enemy mob and make it fight for you" though afaik

[soft peak]

That's good enough. I like raising enemy mobs of any kind and making them fight for me though, it's a classic

[muted plank]

Technically Ice Beetles would be, but not really.
We have Skeletons, which are like Zombies in PoE.
We have Skeleton Mages, which are like Zombies in PoE but cast spells.
We have Volatile Zombies, which are like a bigger and less spammable Summon Raging Spirits.
We have Golems which are more like beefy tank minions than PoE Golems.
We have Wraiths, which are like Skeletons in PoE.
We have Abomination, which is like Reaper in PoE.

[native sail]

There's also Manifest Armor which is... interesting. And has quickly become one of my favorites.

[soft peak]

It's more so for me not the function that in what makes something like Spectres cool, it's more so the customization at the fact you can just revive your favorite mob in the game that you'd think would work best for you

and you just build around it

[native sail]

I think you mean rez whichever is the strongest and do that until GGG guts it, then move on to the next strongest and wait until that one is gutted, rinse and repeat

[soft peak]

I mean if it was up to me personally, I'd just buff weak spectres and leave the strong ones to be strong unless there are clear outliers because most people would rather just play with what they want and it just clear content just fine

ARPG's like Lost Epoch or PoE are a personal experience after all

Well PoE has trading, but you get what I mean I hope

[native sail]

LE will have trading eventually as well, but almost certainly a VERY different style

But yeah, buffing weak and nerfing outliers should be the approach but that's not the GGG way. The GGG way is nerf things that require heavy investment to be good, nerf things that don't deserve the nerfs (sometimes both at once), then buff things that nobody uses but not by enough to get people to actually use them

[soft peak]

Yeah no I am definitely not a fan of nerfing by popularity. Like I understand that it makes balancing the game a lot easier that way, but I do not like it whenever it just becomes "shuffle what's on your screen"

[native sail]

Just for fun you significantly overbuff something once a year and let that be the meta until you feel it's time to force everyone to change

[soft peak]

I mean I'd just buff something most builds can universally use

[native sail]

Instructions unclear, removing half of the utility of Hypothermia

[soft peak]

LMAO

oh god no please

PTSD

[native sail]

Don't get me wrong, I like PoE, I just think they make really dumb changes a little too often

[soft peak]

but yeah no I am generally in favor of a game that is skewed in favor of the player where everything you can do will just about work and clear all content assuming you actually sat down to study the game

[native sail]

LE feels very much like this. As long as you aren't trying to smash together 5 skills with zero synergy, it can probably be viable (varying degrees of success depending on what you're doing, not everything can run super high corruption)

[winged thicket]

anyone did morditas reach spellblade build? what kind of set up were you running? I kinda want to use exalted chest piece, but exsanguinous too good to pass :/

atm im just leveling with 2 legendary rainbow edges with cold dmg added to them

[fervent quiver]

Why would you want block effect with the slab?

[native sail]

For science

[soft peak]

and on that note of study the game, I am not a fan of having to plan out your build outside of the game. As much as I can appreciate PoE for what it is, I don't enjoy having to use PoE builder just because none of the utilities needed to test a build in the game are non-existant. ARPG's that are loot-centric should (my opinion incoming) have an in-game DPS meter, a way to freely respec your build to try out different things as many times as needed, and other quality of life features that let you test and plan your build in the game

[sharp quartz]

nope... leaving spellblade until they rework it some more.... used to be my favourite before it got nerfed (i understand why) but its not as fun imho right now... spellblade really needs some love... 😉

[fervent quiver]

I wish Lich had a skill that I'd be interested in using. But the only thing I like is aura of decay and that's just not very good 😅

[native sail]

Respecs in LE cost gold (easy) and for skills they cost time (not a lot, just don't respec your skills and go right back into empowered monos probably, relevel them quickly then go in). We have dummies to test damage which are mostly accurate (mono mods affect it but aren't available outside monos to my knowledge). And as far as I know all info regarding skills and affixes and all that jazz is available inside the game so you don't have to consult 4 wiki pages to figure out one node. There is an external build tool for LE but it is not required (just expect to do a little math without it)

[soft peak]

oh thank god

it's a christian miracle

[native sail]

I just wish Acid Flask had more scaling, I want to play it as a main skill so bad D:

[fervent quiver]

Fun fact: If you are level 100, exp tomes give an absurd amount of exp, so if you ever wanna respec to try something, farm a tome reward first and you get 3 tomes that each put your skills at instant level 20

[native sail]

That is legitimately my only real complaint right now lmfao

[winged thicket]

eh... Leveling feels so good atm, already at the lvl 75 mono while being lvl 63 myself. would be sad if it fell off hard in empowered :/ shatter strike iis just so satisfying to use

[native sail]

Did not know that, highest I have is 93 rn I get lazy

[fervent quiver]

And on the note of dummies, I mostly wish they'd explain the "enemy dummy" better because that one is confusing a lot of players, and I would like some kind of simple dps meter because it's super hard to test dps on a lot of builds that generate a dozen numbers a second

[fervent quiver]

Yeah you get something like 3 million exp from a tome at level 100.

[native sail]

There at least is a boss dummy at the arena so that's nice that's the only DPS I pay attention to

[sharp quartz]

In my experience thats exactly what happens... perfectly fine up to empowered and then things tend to struggle very quickly... Havent tested the latest spellblade builds but every time I mess around with one, it just cannot compare to the other classes in terms of higher corruption & dungeons... obviously my opinion & skill level involved here... but compared to the godlike beast it used to be... just no fun for me now...

[sharp quartz]

Yip... I think the devs intended this specifically to allow high levels to respec easily... have used this hack many times...

[winged thicket]

I am also torn between on hit and frostbite variants.

Also, I have some gear I think would be really good for flame reave, such as those two, but eh

might do some respeccing later on if shatterstrike falls off super hard

[brave ibex]

I've been playing fire convert Flask and it's definitely not good but it is playable at ~150 corruption

[sharp quartz]

Eye of reen used to be the BiS for flamereave spellblade... I tried the jaspers one but it just seemed meh for me - maybe I didnt give it enough of a chance... Dont forget Shard of the Shattered Lance for cold version...

[native sail]

definitely not good
Yeah that's my problem with it 😔

[fervent quiver]

unfortunately, the boss dummy is not an enemy, and there is no dummy that is both enemy and boss either

[brave ibex]

For some reason the skill has 60% added damage effect, I have no idea why they did that. It's very silly

[winged thicket]

Yup, I'm planning to switch to those once I reach the lvl requirement, atm just running around with them two

i actually like the crit multi a lot from them, if i can get more crit rate might keep those for a while, will have to compare with shattered lance first.

[native sail]

The added damage effect plus the fact that the only source of increased damage on its tree is a total of 40% unless you go for fire convert (which still lacks a lot of damage even then) just hurts a lot

[winged thicket]

I kinda feel if you want to play fire flask might as well just play decoy instead

[sharp quartz]

firebrand (lightning or fire version) crit guaranteed node - that always used to be the best way with Eye of Reen... obvioulsy you need flat crit somewhere and you cannot get those on the Shattered weapons...

[native sail]

That's the thing, I don't want to play fire flask, I wanna play Acid Flask lol

[winged thicket]

i was feeling prismatic gaze or morditas reach. but then i cant use shattered if i go for morditas

[copper fable]

Fire flask does not even convert added damage, so id bet if you wanted to play flask the best way to do so would just be to mourning frost it up rofl.

and not even bother scaling poison or fire

[native sail]

On tree it has a node for added fire damage

[brave ibex]

Well, I tried using +throwing fire dmg gear and the new fire pen node. But it's awkward to build, and still underwhelming

[winged thicket]

and then decoy would probably still outperform 😄

[brave ibex]

If the fire node was a full conversion and it had 100% dmg effect I think it'd be good

[native sail]

This is the only flat damage on tree

[winged thicket]

also, if i go for morditas, then i kinda have to focus on frostbite and elemental dmg over time, if i go with shattered, i can focus more for on hit dmg and mby even change snowdrift boots into last steps of the living for more ward

[native sail]

The only increased damage on tree outside of the node that converts it to fire

[brave ibex]

The new fire pen node is very good

[copper fable]

yeah but thats what I mean the conversion only works on base damage, so added damage from say ballista, or throwing phys in bladedancer etc, its all still phys. so if you try and get good sources of throwing damage its gonna be all over in terms of damage type, umbral blades, javelin both convert added damage as well, which at this point feels mandatory for throwing

[native sail]

I'm praying Acid Flask gets buffed sometime, cuz if it does and becomes viable (not converted) I will be playing it

[brave ibex]

I don't think it'll ever be a good main poison skill

Without shotgunning

[native sail]

Let me have hope dammit

[sharp quartz]

Morditas is probably going to be too slow... I have always found that spellblade benefits from fast attack speeds to generate ward...

[winged thicket]

that was one of my concerns as well. might just go with shattered swords, swap boots from snowdrift to last steps of the living and change firebrand nodes a little to get more max stacks vs frostbite chance and then stack firebrand and hope to explode things

[ancient field]

Linux can :) It's just about the resolution. With Linux I can simply use FSR as a "shader effect"

[sharp quartz]

Cool... did any of the resolution ideas work?

[ancient field]

Doesn't seem so. :(

[smoky briar]

guys im stuck on the loading screen but the map is loaded (i can cast spells and move but i only hear the sounds as i see the loadscreen) what do i do lol

[muted plank]

Alt+F4 and restart? Maybe send a bug report too?

[balmy current]

Have you tried getting Steam to verify the game files?

[smoky briar]

eh i alt f4'd at th end and sent bug report

[soft peak]

a

[pliant shadow]

We need a !verify to save Llama

[muted plank]

Anyone know what happened to Riq? I used to watch their LE Streamer Twitch Highlights on YouTube, which is how I found many of the creators I now follow, but they haven't uploaded since mid-January

I quite liked their content

[marsh maple]

hes busy. He is waiting for the game to get bigger before he continues his work.

[muted plank]

Thx 👍

[winged thicket]

does this even work? I get 3-6 stacks and use shatterstrike and no frostbite applies on the training dummy

nor did it work on an echo boss :/

[pulsar needle]

Hey all, whilst on a loading screen, i got a BSOD (memory management - looks like my ram could be on its way out!) however when i logged back in, the character i was playing has been deleted/removed. i have checked teh game is synced and have verified files and relogged a few times. Would this character be saved in local files anywhere/any way to get my character back? (should i post as forum ticket request?)

[balmy current]

The characters are all saved locally, so you can recover the temp/backup version. C:\Users\USER_NAME\AppData\LocalLow\Eleventh Hour Games\Last Epoch\Saves

What happend is likely the save file got corrupted when being accessed when you BSOD'd.

[pulsar needle]

I tried making the temp the main file, and then the other way round to see if it would read either, no success. (character Beta 4 - assumed this was my latest character, as date stamp had it accessed today, i have 4 chara's, this was latest one i made)

Both the files are blank with no data other than "Epoch" when opened in notepad

[split hinge]

Oh no.... can't actually help in any way, but I should probably back up my \Last Epoch\Saves\ folder more often.

[winged thicket]

sooo, I have sort of build up a spellblade, but the frostbite dmg feels kind of low still.
here is what I have >
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/pA6PRypB

I'm just unlocked empowered monos, so I still have some blessings to get. Should I maybe change some of the damage over time for freeze rate multi or mby drop mana regen completely? Need some ideas please

[tawdry mulch]

I had the exact same issue couple months ago with a bsod... In my case all was lost for that character, sorry!

[tawdry mulch]

So you found the issue with the frostbite not applying before?

[winged thicket]

no, i simply removed that node

well, the entire skill actually

[split hinge]

Sooo... lets say I kinda suck at this game, so my beastmaster doesn't have the DPS to get to empowered monos, and my perma-abomination necro gets one-shot way too much.
What build could I try, that is tanky in plain 100-150 corruption empowered monos to farm me some of the rare uniques (either a squirrel helm for my beastmaster, or perhaps a bastion shield for my necro), and is preferably a 1-2 button build? 🙂

perhaps a druid of some kind? or perhaps the VK autobomber? 😮

and the marksman is tanky?^^ Cause atm, I hate doing beacons/arenas, cause the necro gets swarmed and dies.

Thanks for the tips 🙂

[safe harness]

Don’t you need a lot of uniques for that build?

[split hinge]

I've got a couple of bleeding hearts, and i thought i had a dragonsong, but turns out it was a plain old reign of winter

you know what, why the hell not, i'll start leveling a marksman 🙂

lol, i started, got to like lvl 3 and was like... but i have that lvl 35 VK just sitting there, it's late, maybe i'll run him for a bit before going to bed

so i'm not QUITE there on the joining part

[fervent quiver]

Is the frostbite base damage 35 over 4 seconds, or 35 per second for 4 seconds?

Trying to compare a frostbite and a bleed setup on the same character and its a pain <.<

[fervent quiver]

interesting. thats kind of surprising to me

it feels like bleed is much easier to apply and scale

Yeah, I guess so

[pliant shadow]

Frostbite requires much more uniques to get the ball rolling, and slots you definitely want LP on like boots. The classes that have passive that synergies with bleed can get going with just rares. Mage being the class that has the least bleed support.

[fervent quiver]

Yeah, I tried frostbite druid and the playstyle itself felt really good, warcry applying 15 frostbite in a huge area is amazing for clear

but scaling it up is just waaay harder

[acoustic thicket]

yoo i remember hearing about some way to skip part of the leveling process now somehow? like some dungeon thing or something?

[stone granite]

If you beat Julra you bypass a few chapters. But you have to be able to beat Julra...

[acoustic thicket]

uhh i got some endgame ish characters

[dire mist]

you have to do it as your new char to skip the chapters

[acoustic thicket]

ohh ok

is that doable?

[fervent quiver]

Yes, there are lower level versions of the dungeons

but yeah, you can go through lightless arbor / soulfire bastion / temporal sanctum and skip a bunch of the campaign that way

just gotta be strong enough

[terse burrow]

so the Bonus Stability doesn't seem to be working with minion kills. Is that a bug or WAI?

[fierce kraken]

sounds like a bug

!bug

[ripe brook]

Please post bug reports on our forum: https://forum.lastepoch.com/c/bug-reports. Thank you. :smile:

[fervent quiver]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/uniques
This page on tunklab has a column called "reroll chance (rarity)". What does that mean?

Oh man, so instead of different drop chances, all uniques have the same initial drop chance, but some are rerolled to make them rarer?
interesting
thanks for explaining

[split hinge]

yeah, that's pretty cool info. Probably way easier to adjust the "drop rate" of individual items this way too.

[fervent quiver]

Agree. One thing I am wondering: If the reroll chance triggers, can it still roll the same unique again?

Intuition would say yes, but the drop rate simulator from tunklab says no

(because it drops exactly half as much exsanguinous as other no reroll uniques, whereas if exsanguinous could reroll into itself it would effectively drop ~66% as much)

[dense remnant]

it only rerolls once

otherwise you'd never see the ones with high reroll chance

[fervent quiver]

That would still make the drop simulator numbers wrong

[dense remnant]

oh i get what you mean

why do you think the numbers are wrong?

if you roll 50k rewards from unique or set shield echoes, the only 3 below 10% are ones that have a reroll chance

and everything else is slighly above 10%, because theres 12 total shields

there'll be some level of variance, but if you just spammed that button long enough, eventually the difference between them wouldnt be like 0.2%, but would get closer to 0.02%

oh wait nevermind you're right

yeah the drop sim is rolling it again if it rerolls into one with a reroll chance

no idea how it works then

id assume thats how it works (it does roll again), cus tunks smart

[fervent quiver]

No, it appears to reroll into specifically a different unique.

Because exsanguinous is exactly half as common as other armors with 50% reroll chance

if it could reroll into itself it would be more common than that

[balmy current]

Not quite. When the game decides to drop a specific unique, the reroll chance is the chance that the game will #### you over & not drop said unique. The reroll always happens. It doesn't mean that it initially chooses to drop a Bastion then decides to give you a different ###ier unique.

[balmy current]

Yes, that's the only way to get uniques that have a non-zero reroll chance.

[balmy current]

If that's happening, then that's a bug. Also, there are no other body armours with a 50% reroll chance.

[vapid aspen]

That doesn't really make sense though. The reroll chance is a chance. Either it decides to reroll, or decides not to reroll. You would get the unique it chose if it decides not to reroll regardless of if it can reroll to the same unique again.

Maybe I'm not quite understanding

Or does it reroll the rarity entirely?

[balmy current]

Yes, it's the chance to not get the unique you want, not the chance for the reroll to happen, just like the "effective level for LP" isn't an actual level, it's just the devs using their own internal nomenclature which makes sense to them (& them alone)

An item drops for you. The game rolls the rarity & decides that it's going to be a unique. You're in a lvl 50 zone so it initially decides to give you a Bastion, then it rolls again (the reroll "chance") & you failed the reroll (88%) & the game decides to give you a t1 Guardian's Wooden Shield ...

If you'd "won" the reroll you'd have gotten a Bastion.

[vapid aspen]

Ok yeah that makes more sense

[balmy current]

This is why the uniques with higher reroll "chances" are much harder to get 'cause you're much more likely to not "win" the reroll.

And why I ain't never going to get a Ravenous Void.

https://tenor.com/view/watts-the-safe-word-pupamp-bitter-im-not-bitter-gif-15694459

[sick yacht]

If I'm reading patch notes correctly, the stability changes made regular monos faster... Is that correct?

Not at home to test

[tranquil kindle]

It depends on how many monsters you kill and how far from the centre of the web the echo is, but generally they should be faster, especially the earlier ones.

[fervent quiver]

Just gotta get enough uniques - it's only 50 times as rare as others 😛

[brittle atlas]

just gotta go farm gaspar at 500 corruption

[fervent quiver]

I really wish drop rate blessings would influence unique drop rates. Would be a cool way to allow you to target certain ones a little more.

[tranquil kindle]

They influence random unique drops from regular enemies, but not boss specific unique drops.

[fervent quiver]

Well damn. I asked this question before and was told no. Guess @balmy current Isn't infallible either.

Time for me to update my drop chance blessings, thanks!

[pliant shadow]

Oddball one but, anyone ever try can measure/calculate armor shred stacks and effect? Basically is getting 10 armor shred stacks on average, is 100% shred effect for a chest slot seem worth? Build is lightning smite hammers, going to cross post in #🔱┃sentinel

[muted plank]

Armour shred vs what?

[pliant shadow]

In this case VS added mana, working well with Devotion

[muted plank]

Well 10 stacks of armour shred is -1,000 armour on enemies

So you'd be doing 46.57% more damage with that chest piece on

[pliant shadow]

At zero mana Smite tooltip goes from 145k to 127k

Is the calculation as easy as multiplying the new (lower) number by that 46%

[muted plank]

I read that as Devouring Orb

[fervent quiver]

not quite

[muted plank]

Probably best to follow what everyone else does and ignore what I say lol

[pliant shadow]

haha

[muted plank]

Most likely wrong

[fervent quiver]

with 10 stacks of armor shred you deal 23% more physical damage or 16.6% more non-physical damage.

[muted plank]

I got 46.57% though

[pliant shadow]

So get to about 30% with the effect with lightning damage?

[fervent quiver]

yes, the numbers I mentioned are without armor shred effect

[pliant shadow]

Because its not physical

[muted plank]

This took into account non-physical

[pliant shadow]

This is so beyond my understanding of this games calculations haha

[fervent quiver]

These numbers are from tunklab, assuming the target has 0 base armor

[pliant shadow]

Wow i didnt know they had those tools

[fervent quiver]

10 stacks of armor shred with 90% shred effect are equal to 19 stacks with no shred effect

[muted plank]

This is still true

Sorry

[fervent quiver]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

[fervent quiver]

Hey don't worry, you corrected me a few hours ago 😂

[pliant shadow]

Any help is appreciated, and discussion can get us to a more accurate answer

[fervent quiver]

so for a non-physical damage build that applies 10 stacks of armor shred, gaining 90% shred effect is equal to a damage increase from 116.6% to 125%, or a total damage increase of about 7.7%

Is 7.7% worth losing 66 mana? that's for you to decide. Also depends on how important the crit chance on the old base is, if the crit avoidance is valuable to you, and if the poison res is useful

[dense remnant]

no enemies have any amount of armour, so dont have to worry about calculating that in ^^

[muted plank]

You do though, and you need to input enemy armour

With 0 armour, you'd write -1000

[dense remnant]

enemies dont have armor

[muted plank]

With 0 armour, you'd write -1000

[dense remnant]

okay?

im not sure how this changes the poiint i made that you dont have to worry about calculating enemies armor value in

because they all have 0

so its a static value

[muted plank]

With 0 armour, you'd write -1000

[dense remnant]

its not x, its just 0

[muted plank]

x = -1000

[dense remnant]

???

[fervent quiver]

Are there any buffs enemy casters can give that include armor? Like the wengari dudes? Just curious.

@muted plank I don't understand what you're talking about.

[dense remnant]

i dont think any of them give armor specifically?

[muted plank]

Whatever doesn't matter ig

[dense remnant]

i think the wengari dudes are just dr or something, gonna be honest never thought about that

lemme check to see if its detailed

[fervent quiver]

I do wonder why there are monolith mods for resistances dodge etc. but not armor.

[dense remnant]

patriarch buff spell

so just dr

[fervent quiver]

That's a big number

Can I recruit one of those guys?

[dense remnant]

i wouldnt worry too much about the numbers

some of the stuff is kinda wierd

the actual stats for patriarch says it has 100% reduced damage taken for example

[fervent quiver]

I'm not worrying so much as just wanting one of those to follow me around and quintuple my ehp

[dense remnant]

but im pretty sure they dont have 100% reduced damage taken

[fervent quiver]

hahaha.

Okay, that's interesting.

[dense remnant]

yeah, the data on enemies is more something to use as a general 'this is probably whats going on, and that value probably has other modifiers somewhere, so ill take it as a general idea but not devote myself to it'

yeah wengari shaman has the same skill as patriarch

and im pretty sure patriarchs is more dr, though i might be wrong

[fervent quiver]

I think I understand what this was about now. You were talking about using the shred calc on tunklab, while they were talking about using the actual armor formula to calculate the increased damage taken (hence inputting the -1000 armor from the 10 shred stacks into the formula)

[dense remnant]

ohhh

that makes sense

[muted plank]

Nahh dwai I accept I'm wrong

[fervent quiver]

Sorry, just wanted to understand what you were refering to in the first place 😂

Anyway, new project, get a pet wengari

All I need to do is use my epoch to travel to wraeclast, get my hands on a raise spectre gem, and then travel back

[dense remnant]

ez

[pliant shadow]

Warlock charm to make enemies pets incoming

[dense remnant]

would be so cool to see tbh

[fervent quiver]

What mob would you want as a pet if that existed?

[dense remnant]

damn, i gotta think about that

[fierce kraken]

like irl?

[dense remnant]

im assuming we're not counting big ones, otherwise it would be the big dude with the stone

or diamond snake lady lmao

yeah i think its the wengari one that gives dr

but i like being zdps

[pliant shadow]

Yeah lets get that mini mountain pet

[fervent quiver]

Maybe one of the eyes of formoso because they're literally impossible to kill

or an artillery chimera that shoots from offscreen

[neat bloom]

how come my loot filter keeps becoming unselected after i restart the game?

[muted shale]

For skills that goes "Damage per second charged", does it increase the damage linearly overtime or does it only increment on each second?

[muted plank]

ARPGs like LE tend to have super exact phrasing

So if it's written like that, then I'd think it'd mean it increments every second

[muted plank]

"I think it would mean" isn't really answering your question, is it?

So I ran 30 trials of Ranged Puncture with no charge, 0.5s charge and 1s charge

Given that the interquartile ranges of the No Charge group and the 0.5s group overlap, that the 0.5s Charge group's median is below the No Charge group's upper quartile, we cannot say there is a difference between No Charge and 0.5s Charge.
Furthermore, given the size of the range and interquartile range, we can see there is significant variability in the damage outcomes. Thus any differences between the No Charge group and the 0.5s Charge group would be due to variability. This can also be seen by the medians of these two groups being within 1 standard deviation of each other.
Finally, with the 1 second group, while there is significant variability in the damage outcomes, there is no overlap whatsoever, so we can say there is very likely a difference. In fact, the median is ~2 times that over the 0.5s Charge and No Charge medians, as expected from a +100% More Damage multiplier after 1 second charge.

To minimise sampling error, I re-spec'd into Puncture on a low-level character, only spec'd into the charging node (and the nodes required for that), and made sure no other abilities, passives or items provided buffs by waiting out buff timers and not recording results where "every third attack does bonus damage". I also ignored all crits.

Does this answer your question?

[fervent quiver]

Out of curiosity, how did you make sure you hit exactly 0.5 seconds charge time? I'd expect there to be significant variance in trying to do so manually.

[muted plank]

I counted in my head

Because the alternative of coding a program to automatically fire the ability after 0.5s would get my account permabanned for breaking ToS and being a filthy pathetic cheater

[dire mist]

is autohotkey really bannable

[fervent quiver]

On an offline character? Probably not.

[fervent quiver]

Things might be more strict in the online environment once that happens, but right now, you can already easily edit your save files, so there's not much point in prosecuting automation, because other than for testing things like this, there's no real reason to automate things in the first place.

[muted plank]

Against the ToS

[dire mist]

i'd imagine that's more enforcable against things like flask macro and trade bots

if you're using it to test how a skill works against a training dummy, nobody is going to enforce it

[muted plank]

You say that, but what if EHG decided "let's ban this cheating bitch"?

[dire mist]

they're not going to ban you for making a software that counts to 1

the input it still 1:1

[fervent quiver]

Specifically, There is 0 point for them to enforce automation bans on offline characters because there is nothing to gain from automating them in the first place - any automation gain could also be gained by simply editing a save file instead.

[muted plank]

It's against ToS to use such software and they are well within their rights to permaban people who breach the ToS

[dire mist]

cool but they're not going to lol

[fervent quiver]

They are, and they have to write their ToS that way because they will have an environment where it should be enforced to a degree in the future.

[dire mist]

you aren't damaging the integrity of the game by counting to 1

[fervent quiver]

But yeah, there is no reason to enforce anything right now.

It would be silly for them to spend resources on it.

[dire mist]

its like poe logout macro

it's a 1:1 input:gameaction ratio

not bannable

[muted plank]

The difference is GGG is aware of the logout macro, they allow it and balance HC around it

Based on a Zizaran video

[dire mist]

not based on a ziz video, based on their own forum posts and devlogs

the existence of logout macro is why they chose the 1:1 model

[fervent quiver]

Comparing Epoch to PoE is a moot point right now because Epoch doesn't have an online environment yet. Compare it to Grim Dawn instead. Do they ban players for botting or automating stuff?

[muted plank]

I don't know enough about GD to comment about it

But GD and LE are different games run by different companies

It also shouldn't be an argument to encourage cheating

All I wanted to do was answer someone's question in the only way I know how

[fervent quiver]

Fair enough.

It did kind of become a different discussion entirely.

Did not mean to discredit you or anything, sorry about that 🙂

[muted plank]

Any lesser-known content creators who are absolute gems?

I follow basically all the big LE channels

[muted shale]

does crit vuln stack infinitely? like does 20 stacks give you guaranteed crit basically?

[urban horizon]

20 stacks will give you guaranteed crit

[ripe hinge]

is this build just handcasting smite manually?

[fervent quiver]

Lunge can cast 3 smites, but other than that, I guess yes?

[ripe hinge]

ty

[lunar holly]

it also types in notepad manually

[pseudo cipher]

There have been a lot of good ones who unfortunately haven't stuck around. The ones that do generally become a "big" one over time. Binashole is great and just came back from a long absence due to real life stuff. Have you had a chance to check him out yet?

[fast forge]

Quick question about bastion of honour. It gives guaranteed block against nearby enemies but also a 25% chance to block. Does this work like other instances of chance in this game? Like blocking once all the time with a 25% chance to block again?

[split hinge]

I assume it's more 25% chance from OUTSIDE of the "nearby" circle

block is more akin to crit chance, 100% is the best you'll have. Unlike DOTs, where more than 100% will apply another dot.

[fast forge]

Alright thanks

[balmy current]

That's because until recently we were all told no, #Blame-Mike.

[proud onyx]

This channel is suitable for asking opinions about builds?

[muted shale]

does dot damage depend on the hit damage or entirely off of the base damage of the skills and its +damage modifiers?

[balmy current]

All DoTs have their own base damage but inherit any relevant modifiers from the applying skill (bearing in mind that ailments are ailments, not spells, melee, etc)

The in-game game guide has something on ailments & is usually a good place to go for questions.

[muted shale]

Right, I knew about dots only being affected by generic +damage and +ailments, not sure why I thought +hits would affect it lol

Guess singularity does nothing for my build

[balmy current]

correct

[proud onyx]

Can someone recommend some HC viable build? I saw some but not sure if they still work with last patch

[snow spruce]

nothing really drastically changed with the last patch (there were a few bug fixes that effectively "nerfed" some high damage builds) but past that, I think you'll be safe if you're following a guide

[pliant shadow]

Anything from 8.4 is just about the same, except flurry and spriggan form as far as skills

Item wise a few base type changes, bastion, ravenous void, fiery dragon shoes different

[tight dawn]

Hi guys, at launch will this game be similar to diablo 3? like we have the ability to trade items/buy items with other players?

or will this be purely single player?

[minor vigil]

There will be multiplayer before launch, they're working on it

!mp

!multiplayer

[ripe brook]

Multiplayer's still in development. Here's the latest news: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/official-last-epoch-multiplayer-faq/42036.

[storm sun]

!multiplayer

[ripe brook]

Multiplayer's still in development. Here's the latest news: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/official-last-epoch-multiplayer-faq/42036.

[versed tangle]

what is the good point of ignit rather then bleed for rogue?

does it worth to focus on ignit?

[mystic acorn]

Not really unless you are Sentinel class. Rogues are best with Poison and Bleed.

[jade bough]

Hi! I have a question. Playing Spriggan Cold Spirt Thorns DOT with frostbite - have the 24% cold penetration from druid tree and the 32% from Branch Storm node - hunting now blessing from winter of ages - Grand Rage of Winter - +(25-50)% Chance to Shred Cold Resistance on Hit - right now I have the apply frostbite on hit with 97% - wondering what would be better?!

[fervent quiver]

depends on how much cold shred and frostbite you already have

would need those numbers to tell you whats better

[jade bough]

lwet me check

Frostbite chance: 510%, FreezeMulti: 1794%, no cold shred yet, and the coldpen from 56%

cast speed 142%

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/KBakqRxA

[fervent quiver]

if you can get to more than 10 stacks of cold shred, which I assume you would, then cold shred is better.

however, it will be worse against bosses because shred has less effect on them

[jade bough]

ok, cool thx

10 stack while fighting mobs is unlikely and against bosses worse - so I stick with frostbite instead 🙂 thx dude

[gritty depot]

Not sure if this is the "right" place to ask, but someone can tell which "video settings" are more heavy on the CPU rather than on the GPU? Trying to find a balance in special for my laptop since the gpu seems to be doing well but cpu is taking quite a hit and even if is not close to a dangerous "zone" i would like to see if i can reduce some settings that removes some stress from the CPU that doesn't impact much the overall visuals of the game. Suggestions?

[balmy current]

LE is generally more CPU-heavy than most games as all of the AI, procs, etc is done by your pc so your build can have a somewhat larger impact on how much work your CPU has to do than compared to most games.

[gritty depot]

Yes, i've noticed that on every machine, but what i was asking is which settings can reduce in a substantial way the usage? on Desktop its super smooth but i know that comparing cpus/gpus from desktops/laptops aren't exactly the same as there is differences between the build, temp, power, etc... so i guess i will need to test each, at least gain 10-15fps would be a good result for my laptop as the fps dives on huge crowds and all the effects can make the fps go from 70's(avg) to 14's (1%low) 🤔 also having a mage with fullblown army of summons ain't helping much either lol 😂

[brave ibex]

Bleeding Heart, new Mage relic, Paladin 'Penance' node - any other effects that make you bleed?

[copper fable]

if skill specific is okay, then harvest has self bleed in its tree as well iirc.

[stone granite]

A lot of the CPU hits have nothing to do with video settings, it has to do with the calculations involved in all the hits and damage happening, which is why it scales up with more targets. So you may not be able to improve much. Does your laptop have an actual video card?

[gritty depot]

yes it has a dedicated gpu rtx 3600 at least in name since its a laptop variant with all the limitations... :/ so i guess i can't do much to improve if not waiting for performance patches !?

[stone granite]

Well with a 3600 you should be getting better performance but it's likely it's to do with how the laptop is configured, possibly throttling itself due to power consumption and/or heat

[gritty depot]

the gpu part is working fine, temps are fine and performing for what is expected i tried with all the settings and seems like gpu didn't even cared about it, so it is on the cpu that being hammered too hard and temp is around 77-78c (MAX) but cpu usage seems to peak very often all the sudden... hence my original question "if was any setting that could reduce the usage/load" on the cpu. my gpu is like watching no sweat "hey man, what is that all about?" 😂 Honestly i've other heavy games cpu wise and i don't get this issue, i guess it has to do with the game engine or how the game is right now, but i understand that the game still in development so i'm not making a big deal out of it. But i guess i will use my last trick........ TURN EVERY RGB LIGHTS ON TO ACTIVATE THE SECRET POWER OF THE LAPTOP !!! /jk 🤣

[sharp quartz]

Difficult to discuss/debug/troubleshoot performance here on discord because there are so many possibilities and its hard to post hardware details etc (the forum would be better), but some quick ideas: Check framerate limits - this makes a big difference in limiting fps spike magnitude (i.e. if you limit fps to 60fps, you might get an fps drop of 20fps, vs leaving it on unlimited fps and getting 50-60fps spikes). On laptops, make 100% sure there is no dynamic performance mode enabled - maximum performance should be enabled when playing - if not, this can cause a lot of very odd behaviour with performance in LE. On a similar note, if your laptop has dual graphics, make 100% sure that the game process ONLY ever uses the 3060 GPU (you can set this at a driver level or in Windows) and that any "special sauce" apps that came with the laptop dont try and do things while playing. Lots of other potential things but as I said, hard to discuss here... Obviously your specific hardware/game state/known performance hog situations etc will affect the performance or expectations of what performance you "should be" getting.

[fervent quiver]

Is the poison skeleton rogue build any good? Curious but been trying to many janky builds lately

[marsh maple]

its good enough. I have a build guide on it but its a little old

[fervent quiver]

Eh, I just realized it says poison damage modifiers, not poison modifiers. Don't really care about it then.

[marsh maple]

its still insanely strong

[prime ridge]

If I wanna level a toon, do I have to play the campaign all over again? Or is there another way to level faster?

[native sail]

You do have to do the campaign but you can attempt to skip portions of it by running the dungeons when they're available (might wanna have good leveling gear for this)

By the time you're like level 40 you should be fine for monos though tbh

[fervent quiver]

you have to complete the first if you want to play the second

its only the third that has no prerequisites any more