❔┃ask-the-community

[brittle atlas]

since you'd need to move to them

[dense remnant]

shield rush through, have them all in 0.x seconds

dr during that window to take significantly less anything

free healing, woo

like sure, leech is real strong

but people defintiely sit on other options

[brittle atlas]

demonstrate it practically I guess? I don't really see that situation existing where you've killed stuff, press shield rush, and then get hit and pick up potions to recover it instantly

[dense remnant]

which is like, the general le thing

its not picking up potions as my healing

its all supplemental together

potions get popped for buff

the healing is a byproduct that you factor in when making your build

[brittle atlas]

I just don't see a reason to argue anything being remotely close to leech for its investment level, nothing else is recovering thousands per second

other things are good and viable

but leech is absurd

[dense remnant]

the argument is that it doesnt matter how huge your number is

theres a point where anything above it is meaningless

[brittle atlas]

the number matters immensely because it lets you do things others can't

[dense remnant]

its the same thing with people taking screenshots of huge damage numbers

people overkill so much its wild

[brittle atlas]

damage is even more important imo

it covers up mistakes or removes the possibility of mistakes

[dense remnant]

like the general last epoch approach for ages has just been 'have everything do way more than you actually need'

[brittle atlas]

it removes difficulty entirely

that's kind of the point of any ARPG, no? push the boundaries to absurdity, see where the real ceiling is?

break the game

[dense remnant]

and i think people are gonna soon realise that the approach doesnt work as well in cylces, when the aim is to do stuff without huge amounts of gear

[brittle atlas]

settling for "good enough" means your journey is over as soon as it begins in LE

because everything is good enough

it's about finding the exceptional

[dense remnant]

nah, the aim is do stuff asap with as little as possible becuase you wanna go fast

[brittle atlas]

doing it with as little as possible only works early on

eventually you reinvest into something better

and do it faster

[dense remnant]

im definitely not planning my progression around reinvesting into gear i obtained after weeks

xD

[brittle atlas]

it's like right now, you could fresh start a devouring orb character, blast and farm things easily, smoothly, etc.

but that build is gonna take like

10-20x longer to kill julra

than wraiths or ub

and that time adds up

so if you want to farm julra, why not make a dedicated farming character

[dense remnant]

are you saying you think its quicker to make a devouring orb character to farm gear, then make a acolyte to use that gear, to level and gear up, to then go and do julra with

than just

making a characters and going straight to julra

[brittle atlas]

for something like wraiths? almost certainly. build feels like ass without gear

[dense remnant]

im very confused where wraiths came from

[brittle atlas]

because it's one of the best dungeon farmers atm?

and makes sense as a reroll character to farm dungeons

[dense remnant]

okay, i can see that your approach to the game is vastly different to mine 😄

[brittle atlas]

and it has mediocre defense without gear

so having a generically strong character that needs no gear first, like a sentinel

to farm some shards or things like exsang/last steps or vessel of strife first

so you can then have a relatively ready to go dungeon farmer that will kill the boss significantly faster than the sentinel

so you could monoliths/key farms on the sentinel then use all those keys on the wraiths character

[dense remnant]

yeah, im literall yjust looking at killing t4 asap

then going to sleep for x days to recover

planning cycle progression around just farming whatever the hardest thing is, not for me

[brittle atlas]

ah, for me, just killing it the first time is whatever, setting up to farm seems more important if an economy is involved

[dense remnant]

im gonna be solo pretty much always

trade gets too meh for me

[ionic oxide]

Get your cat to hold down right click and warpath for you amirite, why even play the game

[dense remnant]

why wouldnt i numlock

[brittle atlas]

true

[dense remnant]

if warpath was the best way to do this, i would absolutely numlock down a key and let it roll

but after spending an entire day in a race farming for wings once

i dont think im ever trying warpath for a race type situation lmfao

[ionic oxide]

Cuz cats are useless and you might as well let it do something

Going off topic.

[brittle atlas]

is wings still empowered only? don't remember if it got moved when they shuffled around boss drops a while back

[dense remnant]

yeah just empowered

[cold plaza]

Poor cats, getting caught in the crossfire

[brittle atlas]

I guess now at least you get the rarity bonus for boss drops

it took me like 35 some kills to get my first wings

[dense remnant]

i dont remember what counti got up to, all i know is it was 20 hours of farming for it. To be fair my average was significantly lower, i just got monumentally unlucky

[ionic oxide]

You guys were talking about leech earlier, and leech without leech rate kinda feels bad with twisted heart, so would using avarice instead solve that problem?

[brittle atlas]

if you have lp burning avarice maybe?

my preferred source of leech rate is probably lp woven flesh, though that's a bit harder to come by unless you really farm it out

[ionic oxide]

Isn't avarice quest reward only and can't get lp

[brittle atlas]

the soul gambler can give you Burning Avarice, which can roll lp

in Soulfire Bastion

[ionic oxide]

Wow double rng

Fun

[brittle atlas]

basically the same item but with some extra stats on it related to ignite/necrotic stuff

I don't think they're actually all that rare? and their lp effective level isn't super high either

[ionic oxide]

oh it's a drop

[brittle atlas]

it's from the soul gambler, yeah

the dude at the end of soulfire bastion

you buy gloves off him and you'll get them pretty regularly

[ionic oxide]

hmmm

why does black sun have to have all the good blessings

[brittle atlas]

it has a lot of good ones for sure

kinda wish they'd look at relocating some of the blessings

[ionic oxide]

agreed

[brittle atlas]

Ending the Storm has relatively low competition

unless you're a lightning or regen build

[ionic oxide]

depends on the build some of them are pretty overloaded for certain builds

[brittle atlas]

but then spirits of fire has two shreds, armor stuff, endurance

age of winter has two shreds, threshold, block effect, etc

those two are super overloaded imo

reign of dragons has crit avoid/all res that makes a lot of the other choices less realistic to take outside of very specific builds with insane gear

[ionic oxide]

yeah and thats a problem imo

crit avoid is too important so a lot of times there's no competition

[dense remnant]

yeah reign of dragons is the worst one overall i think

[ionic oxide]

wonder if completely changing numbers and moving some to empowered only? stuff like chance to slow and fragility you dont need very high number

so make those normal monos only

[dense remnant]

i think the problem with them more is that you can get what you need from them through other sources, so the like, relative value is lower. Puttin gthem just into normals is just going in the direction of entirely removing them as blessings

and i think having a load of blessings is good, they just need to be more equivalent across the board

instead of like, the majority of builds going for a small selection of them

like realistically, crit avoid and all res should be in the same pool

its just the rest of that pool needs to be better

hypothetically if you had endurance, block effect, crit avoid, all res, all in the same pool, it would be a real good thing for choice

but obviously then you have the problem of that specific timeline being way overweighted compared to everything else

[ionic oxide]

i know res isnt as important in this game but still feels weird capping your res from a single blessing

[dense remnant]

personally i wouldnt mind seeing the numbers for the really good ones dropped down, so it becomes more of a 'this replaces a suffix' instead of 'this replaces 2-3 suffixes'

[brittle atlas]

the general value for them all is 2 suffixes right?

other than all res

but crit avoid, endurance, and the resist ones are all 2 suffixes of value

[ionic oxide]

lot of them seems like exalted numbers

[dense remnant]

yeah i guess thats a point, once we get further endgame past t4 bosses, it might be less of an issue

[brittle atlas]

I think the issue is just like...maybe the weaker ones need more than 2 suffixes worth of value to compete?

[ionic oxide]

yeah crit avoid blessing is like a t7 roll

[dense remnant]

cus it might become more realistic to be able to just have a good rolled t6/t7 crit avoid

i think the problem there is like, how do you do that with slow or fraility etc...

[brittle atlas]

which makes sense, cause T7 is double T5 lol

I like the values available for stuff like endurance, and crit avoid atm, where like

the item implicits and passives for it

[ionic oxide]

it could get really ugly in mp down the line, where a lot of people could have accessibility to t7 mods

[brittle atlas]

are around 35% each

then the blessing is ~65%

or Endurance being in 14-15% chunks

and the blessing being 25-27%

so you can kind of divide it up into those chunks and get it as you want to cap

like via sentinel implicits, or sentinel and druid passives

[dense remnant]

not really thinking about it too hard, i think having it dropped a little bit so its like, a t5 + a t1/t2m then the blessing to cap, would be better

[ionic oxide]

my frustration came from the fact that i could use a 60+ necrotic res roll from reign of dragons but would you look at that crit avoid

[brittle atlas]

I think having it split like that would be a bit weird/feel bad

[ionic oxide]

makes gearing incredibly hard

[brittle atlas]

I think being able to cleanly cap via 1x T5 + blessing or 2x T5 + blessing makes the most sense

[dense remnant]

cus now we have the ability to seal stuff, i feel like it should be more about getting a good roll blessing to cap with a sealed, as opposed to using a sealed just to temporarily fix a bad blessing role

[brittle atlas]

maybe if we had more access to crit avoid/endurance implicits/passives

[ionic oxide]

it doesnt help that the meta atm is to get hp on every slot, so getting res or anything else feels like a "waste"

[brittle atlas]

but having to get them entirely via items/blessings is a bit annoying

yeah, any extra slot you have to use getting those basics is a slot lost for hp

which is another issue

[ionic oxide]

makes gearing very restrictive

[dense remnant]

wouldnt mind seeing less stuff with access to hybrid

[ionic oxide]

since there are so many stats and only 4 slots each gear

oh you're an on hit ele build? you want armour shred, crit, multi, maybe a bit of mana regen, res, some endurance, fragility somewhere, etc. specific damage type shred ONLY from blessings too

ok thats an exaggeration

some skills have them too

[dense remnant]

i mean, i think thats fine

the problem we have atm is that you just go 'oh i can get nearly all of that without touching my gear, time to load up on health'

[brittle atlas]

I think prefixes are generally fine, and prefix stats on blessings feel like a generally fine trade off

[ionic oxide]

it's fine in theory but in reality it's hp hp hp and you try to fit in couple other things

[brittle atlas]

for me the issue is just some suffix stats voiding other suffix stats blessings

[dense remnant]

it kinda just comes down to the same points as made for the problems with damage being so loaded into skills, gearing should be more meaningful

[brittle atlas]

like you're never going to take the necrotic or fire res blessings

[ionic oxide]

i would if i could

but i cant

[brittle atlas]

fire res blessing is bad for more reasons than just other blessings on that timeline tho tbh

like solarum greaves existing as one of like

two reasonable boot bases to use

and being the better one

[dense remnant]

yeah i think currently my build has like, 160% fire res

without trying

its just there because of other reasons lmao

[ionic oxide]

at that point you're saying it's reasonable to expect usable item on a perfect base for everyone

[brittle atlas]

for boots? yeah

T20 boots are easy af

the affix pool is small

I have like 7 pairs of T20 boots and several better than that

it's one of the few slots I have like actually perfected stuff for

[dense remnant]

yeah boots are stupidly easy to get really good ones of very quickly

[ionic oxide]

i must be playing a different game

[dense remnant]

theres 7? prefixes

[brittle atlas]

boots have one of the smallest affix pools

[dense remnant]

if you already have one you want, then you can realistically look at your boots and go 'i can chaos from a t1 into whatever i want'

[brittle atlas]

yeah, when I was still filtering for boots rolls I'd just pick up any solarum or heoborean bases with T7+ total of the stats I wanted

and try to slam/chaos the rest

[ionic oxide]

i've chaos'ed many boots into boots i cant use for my build but perfect for other boots

builds*

[dense remnant]

like t16+ boots in the first day of a race was something i was expecting to have

in terms of like, t16+ of only things i wanted

[brittle atlas]

yeah, at the very least T5 movespeed + T5 hybrid is free and the rest is just icing

like vit or some other attribute

armour

etc

flat hp

[dense remnant]

id like to see them get a similiar thing to what happened with belts

where giving belts a cleanse made getting perfect belts, especially with sealing, like, have an extra stage to it

[brittle atlas]

hmmm

[dense remnant]

idk if it should be as strong as cleanse

but xD

[ionic oxide]

do you farm dungeons 24/7 or something to get enough exalted items to get perfect usable stuff

[dense remnant]

you dont need exalteds to get t20

realistically you should have very good boots just from getting some blessings on a fresh character in empowereds

i dont think when arborus is saying perfect, they mean like, t28 :p

[brittle atlas]

yeah

T20 or better

my best boots are pretty nuts tho

[ionic oxide]

anyways you lost me earlier when you said everyone should have access to perfect res base items

[brittle atlas]

T25

you don't need perfect res base items

[ionic oxide]

boots aside, it's hard for other slots

[brittle atlas]

but getting like

40+ on your boots isn't hard

and means one other suffix caps you

[ionic oxide]

40+ what

[brittle atlas]

fire or cold res

implicit

[dense remnant]

i think the point arborus was making, is that because boots are either fire or cold res, it makes blessings for fire or cold res significantly less useful than other blessings

[brittle atlas]

really, I think you only need like

30%?

to still cap off a suffix

[dense remnant]

not 'we should be able to get whatever res's on boots'

[ionic oxide]

yeah and thats specifically fire and cold

there are other res in the game

[dense remnant]

yeah, but it doesnt invalidate the point

its a fact that fire res specifically as a blessing would never be taken

(unless to do something with overcapping fire res)

because theres way too many items that give it for free

[brittle atlas]

res is also like...not something you need to cap, so being a few % under isn't a big deal if your rolls are worse

[ionic oxide]

you're still only fixated on 2 when im talking about res in general

there's still necrotic res in reign of dragons

[dense remnant]

i cant think of a single situation where i take that over all res or crit avoid

[brittle atlas]

ye and you'd never take that even if crit avoid blessing didn't exist probably

because bone amulet and necrotic res rings exist

and give you half of your cap already

just one of them

[ionic oxide]

so this forces you to use only those, so why do other base types exist?

[dense remnant]

poison res is from the same blessing pool

and posion res is generally much harder to get

[ionic oxide]

you're going around a huge circle to say the thing i was saying earlier

[dense remnant]

then if im a minion build if i had no value in all res or crit avoid, that minion all res would be super useful

[ionic oxide]

everyone wants hp suffixes and their res from implicits only

[brittle atlas]

other base types can't exist in the hp stacking meta where using suffix slots on resists is bad

though I'm not really sure what you'd do about that either

[dense remnant]

i mean, its not that people want that, its that the game gives us that

[brittle atlas]

since we have ehp calculators and it'd just shift to the next best thing

like we used to need glancing blow and set resists everywhere

or set dodge

or endurance threshold

[ionic oxide]

thats much more interesting than getting res only from implicits

[brittle atlas]

the implicits either didn't exist (they were pure armor) or they were the same as now

you just had fewer explicit slots to work with since so many were taken up by set affixes

and resists weren't capped

because of the protections system

[ionic oxide]

i never understood why the res implicits are so overloaded in the first place

[brittle atlas]

so you just stacked as much protections as possible

[hollow socket]

I love that resists are easy to get, they're the most "basic" defense that most players will look for first.

[dense remnant]

like i think the best thing to happen woudl just be, make skills have less of the damage, put it into gear, give more gear piees implicits for that damage, so you have to make a choice about where you're getting hte offense and defense you need

[brittle atlas]

because resists are relatively weak in LE, so having them in abundance makes them even more appealing?

if you nerfed the implicit resists, I probably wouldn't get more resists on gear

I'd just leave them undercapped

[dense remnant]

and tbh if you did want it, you just get it through idols

[brittle atlas]

unless the ehp calc showed enough loss to make it worth it

[dense remnant]

and then you can just have specific idol sets for specific content

[ionic oxide]

there's no trade off here at all unless they nerf implicits

[hollow socket]

I would eventually have an item slot where I can swap in an item with similar stats + the resist I need for this content.

[dense remnant]

^

[brittle atlas]

yeah, I was already doing that with a ring to do soulfire bastion on my bladedancer lol

and was otherwise running 0% necro res

[dense remnant]

yeah ive done it with stuff before

[brittle atlas]

since that character basically only does temporal sanctum

[ionic oxide]

next thing you know aurora is gonna tell people to have a character for every dungeon

[brittle atlas]

I personally would tbh

[dense remnant]

yeah i dunno why you're pointing at me for that

many people recommend that

[brittle atlas]

wraiths for soulfire, bladedancer for julra, something else for arbor if it becomes worth farming more heavily

or whenever nerfs happen, whatever the next best builds are

[dense remnant]

my aim for the game is to do all the content as fast as i can, so im like, the least on the side of that, because personally i only want to do stuff on one character, then im gonna play jank

i think dr3ad already has that mostly set up for getting gear for all his build ideas

or did before he went to poe for content 😄

[brittle atlas]

yeah, even before we had dungeons, having my lich dedicated to just blasting high corruption monos showered me in exalts enough to just experiment w/ other stuff and have decent gear ready to go

and now with dungeons it's even better

since they drop so many exalted items

[dense remnant]

do you do t3 temporal for exalted drops, or just stick to t4? i've like, extremely slacked on testing dungeon farming

[brittle atlas]

T4

BD and Wraiths can both do T4 in like 3-ish minutes a run

[dense remnant]

i meant more like, if the exalted thats increased in t3 is something you want

[brittle atlas]

and I'm sure any other high movement speed, high boss damage build can do similar

[dense remnant]

or is the drop rate significantly lower

[brittle atlas]

idk tbh, maybe if your build isn't strong enough to do T4 that quickly?

but most of the time is just travel

for me atm

so doing a lower tier doesn't make much sense

[dense remnant]

oh are you not farming the mobs for the increased one?

[brittle atlas]

nope

I look for "boss drops <whatever> of <item type>

[dense remnant]

ah okay

[brittle atlas]

like "hoard of weapons" or whatever

[ionic oxide]

you're the person to tell me to play warpath when i said i want to play a ma build without the extra work

[dense remnant]

i suggested warpath as an easy afk build to play correct

not sure how this applies to 'have different characters for different dungeons' either

thats the opposite of easy and afk

[ionic oxide]

because you're gonna tell people to do that when they want something else

[dense remnant]

oh okay

ill remember to do that

[ionic oxide]

i know you're doing it to spite me, but im saying i dont think it was right in that scenario to tell me to play something else. you could've just confirmed one more time it was playable without all that gear swapping and whatnot, or said it's not something you have to do often which i realized afterwards but at the moment i felt bad and didnt think of

[dense remnant]

honestly my ma build isnt that playable without snapshotting

i built it entirely to abuse it

or it is playable, but you lose like, 100+ corruption

[ionic oxide]

im also not against using characters only for certain contents but you definitely need to invest into the time to gear them up to a comfortable level to handle the content since the game on release will be in cycles and different people play at different pace, so it's more of a hardcore rec imo

hardcore as in players who can play a lot

[ionic oxide]

right, you were also talking specfically about your version which again i realized only afterwards. i looked up 2 ma guides at the time and they both seemed pretty chill except the fact that the bleed version was harder to gear

[burnt snow]

what does ssf stand for?

[ionic kestrel]

solo self found

[burnt snow]

doesnt that just mean solo?

[stone granite]

Yes SSF is something different in another game

Solo means your character is not connected to anyone, even other characters of your own

[dusky minnow]

when do you guys think multiplayer is coming out?

[balmy current]

When it's done.

[snow pine]

Could anyone tell me if uniques scale? Or if they're just fixed stats at a particular level?

[brave ibex]

They're fixed, but late game you can add extra affixes on with the legendary system

[snow pine]

Thanks very much Knocks

[deep rover]

is it possible with controller to get ground targeted skills to auto target closest enemy?

[icy snow]

Hello people, i am about to buy the game but i have one question. Would i need to level a new char when multiplayer update hits ?

[native sail]

Yes. All current characters are offline characters, they will not be playable online.

[icy snow]

Thank you!

[warm yew]

If you're not worried about playing online, the offline characters will persist through the 0.9 update - they'll just remain offline from then forward

[woven fulcrum]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwVg7ATAjALEA
Is the Storm Totem from this a Shaman Storm Totem?
LE Tools doesn't have it listed so wasn't sure: https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/storm_totem
Found an old thread that says it works to proc but it was just in answer to a Primalist, but I was curious if it'll still proc a basic one on a Paladin.

[jovial mountain]

Yes Caius

[soft prairie]

I'm gonna ask here as well:
Hey folks, does anybody have a blade dancer loot filter? I'm currently building this https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/torkrefin-umbral-blades-bladedancer but it doesn't have a dedicated loot filter. I fear that using the lastepochtools generator hides a lot of stuff

[native lichen]

How does the armour works with physical resist? Will it do something if i have 75% resist?

[sharp quartz]

anything is possible in the future... the game doesnt have 100% controller support yet so you may as well make your suggestions in the appropriate suggestion channel or feedback on the forum... maybe the devs will add the feature...

[brave ibex]

Armor is a completely separate thing to resistance

It gives damage reduction against all hits (70% effectiveness for non-Physical hits)

[stone granite]

You should make your own, it's easy and only makes sense

[native lichen]

then which one applies first, armour or resist?

[minor kindle]

Does it matter? Or what is the problem that requires you to know that order? 🤔

[native lichen]

i miscalculated that, my bad

[hollow socket]

You cannot filter out affix tiers, can you?

[brave ibex]

You can filter for affixes above/less or equal to a certain tier

[balmy current]

They're both multiplicative to damage taken so the order doesn't matter.

The only defence where the order matters is dodge.

[hollow socket]

...but does dodge matter?

[balmy current]

It does to a Rogue

[native lichen]

can you filter items to have open suffix or prefix?

[sharp quartz]

honestly no idea ... never even thought to do so, but then again, i filter based on total tiers on a single item more than anything else...

maybe @olive tinsel tried?

[native lichen]

sometimes i get the affix i need but it has another one which i don`t use at all

[sharp quartz]

I am a chaos crafter so I use discovery and chaos more than looking for things that have open slots...

[sharp quartz]

Thats what chaos is for... just chaos the affix you dont want and if you are lucky it uses no or very little fp and you get a more useful affix. If not, you just try again, or find something else to craft on...

[olive tinsel]

Not in any really pratical way, there are some very convoluted ways to achieve something similar to this, but it its very rule intensive (because it requires multiple rules) and is just generally not adviced. (It involves hiding item "with at least 4 affixes" while selecting all affixes from the list) followed by a rule which only shows items with at least 2 or 3 desired and handpicked affixes and then you could technically control which items have open suffix or open prefix (or both)

If your general filter that you personally prefer has a enough free rules you could do this on top of your regular filter of course

But I would not recommend this as a primary way of filtering

[dense remnant]

THeres a few different way sto do it, and yeah it gets very convoluted. My base filter template has 73 rules becuase it has this functionality for every slot

I dont recommend it

setting up an actual filter from the base one takes so much time

Though you dont have to actually just hide all 4 affix ones, like, you can combine this functionality into a filter thats actually good

basically just comes down to the math of 'if it can show these, but doesnt show these, then all that is shown will have an open slot, or a thing i actually want in that slot'

but taken to the extreme so you neveer pick up an item that you can't do something with

its terrible for a filter that supplies more than one build though

it just lets you pick up everything that drops, dump it, and then after a session of farming look through the items and very clearly know what you're doing with each ting. i.e. its good for being mega efficient

[vagrant zinc]

hey, my game used to launch to launch and now crashes every time, where is the best place to request support/submit a bug?

as far as I can tell its just last epoch, but may be related to recent video driver update, I tried un installing and reinstalling but it still crashes at launch

im running the launcher directly, not through stream

[dry narwhal]

verify your game files on steam

[safe harness]

Literally said not using steam

You could try redownloading instead

[dry narwhal]

sorry, misread as they were trying both.

[wild flicker]

where runemaster

[sharp quartz]

hiding...

[woven fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-8178297

Currently on a dig somewhere in Majelka

[native lichen]

What is the best way to acquire exalted items?

[minor kindle]

Dungeons

[native lichen]

is there a way to give my minions penetration?

[lime moon]

I have applied to be in the multiplayer alpha twice now and didn't receive a key. Am I the only one? Can I expect to receive one for the next testing phase?

[charred mauve]

Wtf is that?

i dont see it in item database

(sorry about screen photo, its not mine)

[fringe birch]

it's a ring you can find in Last Refuge Outskirts, it doesn't drop from enemies.

[native lichen]

is corruption +15 the max, that you can get from an echo?

[frank wasp]

is spell leech a good defensive layer to consider?

[ionic oxide]

if you can fit it into your build without sacrificing something else. imo it feels meh without leech rate but recovery is always good to have since it'll let you recover after taking a big hit

[brittle atlas]

+20 as far as I know, but most often +16 or +18

Higher with other systems for bonus corruption, though

[ionic oxide]

should i be killing mobs in t4 dungeon?

[brittle atlas]

you can if you have good modifiers for mob drops

depends on the dungeon

too

like soulfire bastion you need to kill some to really use the gambler

temporal I'd only kill what is basically free to kill on the way to julra unless I have juicy mob drop modifiers

arbor idk, haven't run it enough to really say

[ionic oxide]

🙆‍♂️

[meager prism]

Will you keep your character as "online character" once the beta end and multiplayer is out for everyone ?

[brittle atlas]

to my knowledge, it seemed like beta characters would be rolled into the "standard league" equivalent

but it's possible wipes will be required depending on how stuff happens

[shrewd rampart]

50 in normal. unlimited in empowered

[balmy current]

He was asking the maximum increase from a Shade

[shrewd rampart]

oh

whelp

[balmy current]

Yeah, I thought he meant stability, then re-read it....

[stable ridge]

Do we know if MP will have the same version of the game right now? Like will the builds work the same? Or will there be a big patch?

[shrewd rampart]

my understanding that the patch will be small other than multiplayer

some balance changes, but nothing huge i think

[cold plaza]

And ailment change, right?

That's kinda big, imo

[shrewd rampart]

its kinda big. it big in solo, but i dont think it will be too bad in MP

well, not kinda big. really big

[balmy current]

There will likely be some balances changes for MP

But probably yes, I'd assume that most builds would function reasonably similarly to how they do in 0.8.5

[brave ibex]

Can a single spiralling Hammer hit the same enemy multiple times? Like in a situation where it takes a while to pass through a large mob

[dense remnant]

yes

[brave ibex]

So it has a hit rate of every x seconds or something?

[dense remnant]

ohhh i get what you were asking

im not sure on that tbh

[minor kindle]

I think it has, but thats hard to test and confirm, maybe better to ask this in devs channel 👀

[soft prairie]

@marsh maple hey, I DM'd you regarding a build of yours. It's a bit too long to type here, sorry in advance.

Also sorry folks for this random message of mine.

[ionic mica]

would the 100 HP be worth the big hit to res?

[stone granite]

There's no reason you can't cap all your res, what level are you?

[ionic mica]

73

[stone granite]

Yeah you should be trying to cap your resists by then

[brittle atlas]

honestly, on bladedancer I'd be looking for even more hp before finishing those specific resists tbh

like at that level, like 1700-1800 hp at least

assuming you have 60% endurance too

but for 100 hp, definitely not worth the trade off there

[ionic oxide]

do i gamba this on prism wraps or farm a better one?

[brittle atlas]

what lp is the prism wraps?

cause if it's 1 or 2 then ez slam tbh

and hope you hit the hp

[ionic oxide]

1

[brittle atlas]

then ye I definitely wouldn't slam it with anything better

since you're just trying to hit hp basically

[ionic oxide]

wraps kinda with lp kinda rare tho no?

[minor kindle]

Its effective level for lp is 90..

[ionic oxide]

yeah

thats on the higher end

[minor kindle]

The same as Bhuldar's Wrath, my own statistics (not a lot) show that the chance of which 1lp is about 5%

[ionic oxide]

not trying to be sarcastic but what point are you trying to make? is it common enough that i can farm another one since the base unique is common or should i wait

im looking at other uniques with 90 lp+ and most of them are rare or very rare

[minor kindle]

Just sharing the approximate chance of 1lp for uniques with the same effective level

cuz Bhuldar is also ez to farm

means the 1lp prism is rare for me

[ionic oxide]

now im even more conflicted

[minor kindle]

Prism as a world drop doesn't require you to farm at specific timeline, so you may have a larger base of drops during other character playthroughs.
Then even if the probability of 1lp is assumed to be only 5%, it may not appear very rare from this point of view.🤔

[ionic oxide]

hrm...sounds like gamba it is

[dense remnant]

prism wraps drop enough that getting a 1lp one isnt rare relative to a lot of other uniques (to answer your question)

[ionic oxide]

got it 👍

[stoic steeple]

im having serious mana issues on my "blender void knight" build

and i have no idea how to solve mana this game

is there any "mana on melee hit" mod or something?

[eternal wharf]

You will need to look at alternative skills to this solve issue. At least this is my experience. There is no mana on hit mod as far as I have seen

Note I havent looked at all the mods and items so could be wrong

[icy snow]

There is a ring type that gives mana regen and thats all i know

[stoic steeple]

😐

[lunar holly]

you don't regen mana while channeling anyway, but you can pick the channel cost nodes to make it 0 mana

[azure lion]

There's a node on top left that gives mana every few seconds

Combine the two and you can be on positive

But will require a lot of points probably

Getting both and the void node

[stoic steeple]

its exactly what i did but the issue is im not regening

so i cast lunge for example

or d.orb

and eventually i run oom

the guy in the video never seemed to run oom idk how

he was always full mana

[azure lion]

I also used warpath + abyssal echoes then use volatile reversal each time abyssal echoes procced. It looked silly bouncing back and forth but at least I didn't need mana nodes.

[stoic steeple]

also this seems crazy good isnt it?

[woven fulcrum]

Most likely BiS for a build doing void damage. except may a t6 or t7 version
You could slap on a potion cleansing affix (if you need that) or another affix of choice (maybe Vit?) and you'll be sailing.
But you may already have a good idea of what you want in tha topen affix
depending on your remaining FP you could also get a t2, despair it and add another affix.

[stoic steeple]

whats the best method to seal?

you cant use it on a T5 right so highest seal is T4?

did i understand this right?

[woven fulcrum]

no, can't use it on a t5.
Highest you can try is on a t4 but it's REALLY REALLY rare.

most people do a 1/2/3 depending on remaining FP
because the odds of it despairing go down the higher T it is.

also depends on the affix

[stoic steeple]

huh

are the chances written down somewhere?

[woven fulcrum]

maybe in Tunk labs but I don't think I've seen it anywhere.

[minor kindle]

In most cases only T1 and T2 can be expected to be sealed

T3 has to gamble, it is very likely to fail imo

[woven fulcrum]

agreed. I tend to do either t2 or t3 based on if I feel that the t3 doesn't feel, the item is still going to be great.
but it's a gamble.

[brittle atlas]

hybrid health, % health are the best suffixes, but it's solid for sure

and should be ez to seal t1 potion cleanse on

[stoic steeple]

why is that?

because of sealing?

[brittle atlas]

because increased health is better than flat health, and hybrid health has some increased in it

otherwise, you generally want to seal t1 potion cleanse on belts unless you really don't need the second prefix for something else

[stoic steeple]

yeah thats kinda what i saw and realized thats why i kept a prefix open and wasted the rest of the potential on upgrading tiers

but got lucky with x2 critical successes thats why i have extra

[stoic steeple]

so what would be the absolute ideal way of crafting?

do you seal first because you want to see if it even hits and not hitting = waste of mats?

[brittle atlas]

as you posted it earlier, with an open prefix and three T5s, I'd just immediately go for the seal

T1 seals are pretty easy/free imo

and even if it misses you have a few more tries

[shrewd rampart]

i only seal T3+

personally

[brittle atlas]

for potion cleanse, tier doesn't matter at all

[shrewd rampart]

oh, fair

lol

[shrewd rampart]

i didnt read anything before this

[stoic steeple]

hmm but thats after i wasted potential :/

i want to understand the proccess of recognizing something with potential to be a good item

do all items drop with the same crafting pot?

or does it differ?

[brittle atlas]

forging potential? it depends on number of mods, tiers, etc. on the item when it drops

[stoic steeple]

also whats the HIGHEST tier? 7 on an exalt?

or is there higher?

[brittle atlas]

T7 is the highest

[shrewd rampart]

7, but give up on the thought of multiple T7 on an item

it can happen, but dont bother looking

[stoic steeple]

nah i didnt im for it just asking

but still do all items come with the same potential?

[brittle atlas]

no

[shrewd rampart]

exalted items have more

[brittle atlas]

exalted items will generally have in the 40 range

[shrewd rampart]

rare can range from like, 15 to 25 or something

[stoic steeple]

highest is 25?

[shrewd rampart]

dont quote me on the numbers

[stoic steeple]

ah damn

[shrewd rampart]

i might have seen up to 33?

dont quote me...

i feel like i saw a 33 on a pair of boots once

and i kept them too 🙂

[stoic steeple]

it doesnt even say so on the LE guide 😦

[shrewd rampart]

i just asked in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

[stoic steeple]

thanks!

[shrewd rampart]

the LE guide wouldnt know

its a weird question that only the devs would know really

[stoic steeple]

because its not on the official game guide

[dense remnant]

its also kinda not useful information?

you cant increase potential, and you cant filter by potential

[shrewd rampart]

i agree. it might be nice to know still

[dense remnant]

but what for?

maybe im missing something

[shrewd rampart]

adds to the coolness factor a bit. "Wow, these boots are garbage, but i max rolled forging potential!"

[woven fulcrum]

rares can definitely have 30+

[shrewd rampart]

again, not useful, but nice to know

a bit

[woven fulcrum]

well, actually it is. Because with higher forging potential
you have better chances to off-set some of the potential costs of upgrading
especially if you chaos something and can't use a glyph of hope.

[brittle atlas]

knowing that rares drop with higher lp doesn't really change anything though

like

[woven fulcrum]

or maybe I missed osmethign int he convo

[shrewd rampart]

that argues why it is good to know what the forging potential on the item is which i agree with. knowing the maximum still isnt that useful

[brittle atlas]

the drop either has good fp or it doesn't, it having been able to drop with more doesn't change anything you'd do

[stoic steeple]

the only use for it via filter is maybe you can forge something good early game and max T5s or something

thats about it though i assume

[stoic steeple]

alright im just on the verge of giving up on this "blender" warpath build because of mana issues

i can sustain warpath but if i use any other spell eventually i run out completely

warpath costs 1 mana to start and then 0 while channeling so im not being drained

but you dont regen while spinning so how do i keep my mana running up? :/

[minor kindle]

can you post your build planner?

[stoic steeple]

my real current character or the guide?

[minor kindle]

yup

[stoic steeple]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/KBakLR7A

this is the planner

how do i pull my own?

[stoic steeple]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/3Apb6XKB@minor kindle

[stoic steeple]

Just constantly oom

[minor kindle]

if you are following the blender build from McFluffin, you can see that he barely uses skills that require mana in the video

[stoic steeple]

yeah but im not there yet and i need the extra skills for a damage boost

this is my current sword and its trash

im struggling on lvl 61 monos

[minor kindle]

I don't actually play VK much...just a simple change that might make it easier for your build to fit earlier in the timeline

What is the maximum stacks of Time Rot you can now apply to a single enemy?

[balmy current]

12

[minor kindle]

🤣 I know its limit is 12, just asking how much he can apply to enemy now...

[balmy current]

still 12... 😉

[minor kindle]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/jAv9Op1o

forgot some armor shred chance...

[pearl plank]

does fire pen apply to ignite?

[minor kindle]

generally yes

If it's global or works on the skill that apply Ignite without any limit description like melee/spell etc.

[pearl plank]

perfect tyvm

[zinc ivy]

Stupid question, Is there a difference in using a forge vs clicking "F" and then forging?

[balmy current]

Nope

[zinc ivy]

dang, but ok

[woven fulcrum]

@zinc ivy Yeah, i've always wondered why the even still have the Forge.
Kinda losing out on the idea of the forging visual
maybe when you hit the F key, the forge drops down next to you and opens up.
flavor for sure but might be visually nice.

[polar drift]

Is there a way to reroll the values of an Affix for a unique item?

[balmy current]

Nope

[polar drift]

Welllll poooh. lol ty

[hybrid raft]

hey just coming from path of exile giving this a go. I am in the market for a build kinda focused around damage over time. Anyone care to point me in that direction?

[shrewd rampart]

lich has one

be warned though that DoT builds generally suffer against single target (bosses)

[pearl plank]

almost every single class can have a dot build

[hybrid raft]

yea was the same in poe, i dunno i just find the act of like a group of mobs just kinda keeling over all at once and maybe spreading poison to be enjoyable lol

[shrewd rampart]

i think only the lich has a spreading dot?

you can get spirit plague using a shield, but since you can't spec into it, i dont think its that good

[pearl plank]

uh also VK has that spreading void thingy no?

abyssal echoes or whatnot

[lost gulch]

Do we know after multiplayer releases if there will be any char wipes? Been waiting to play when I could do online and not worry about that

[shrewd rampart]

i didnt know about the void knight's dot spreading. do you mean time rot?

[balmy current]

Abyssal echoes, as he said

It "echoes" from mobs hit

[shrewd rampart]

thats a dot?

[balmy current]

As it happens it does have the DoT tag

[shrewd rampart]

i see

it applies abyssal decay which is a dot

i thought the abyssal echos were the second hit that has a chance to happen

[balmy current]

Yes, but they have the DoT tag as well which makes it a DoT

But not an ailment

[floral badge]

They have said no more wipes. Current characters will be made “offline” characters.

[fossil vessel]

Will there be a wipe when MP comes out?

[shrewd rampart]

lol?

[fossil vessel]

Okay, I literally just read up

[shrewd rampart]

im keeping this forever....

[fossil vessel]

What does offline mean? Does that mean if we want to play online we'd have to remake characters then, right?

[fossil vessel]

You're welcome

[lunar holly]

the characters are stored on your PC and will remain there, the MP ones will be on game servers, so you'll need new ones to play multi

[fossil vessel]

That's what I figured, thanks

[brittle atlas]

Lich, Bladedancer, Void Knight

Druid as well

[hybrid raft]

ill be looking into this lich individual i believe

[brittle atlas]

lich is a bit different from other classes because of Reaper Form and Death Seal

also tends to have some single target struggles on its DoT builds until you've better gear

[polar drift]

Are there any fireball based ignite builds that are viable currently in the late game? I feel like im falling off around lvl 60-70.

[haughty jasper]

is there any way to make the endurance mouseover ui permanently visible?

[brittle atlas]

don't think so, any reason in particular you'd want to?

[haughty jasper]

just would help me actually know how much danger im in while hp is dropping

[brittle atlas]

you always get the benefit from endurance

any damage that would take you under the threshold gets reduced

so you can't get like 1 hit or whatever and not have gotten full value out of endurance

ie, there's nothing to play around for it

[vapid aspen]

It would be kinda cool to normalise it though, if you have 60% then each hp is worth 2.5. If that section of the health bar was "scaled up" by 2.5x it would more accurately reflect your remaining hp pool.

[sonic kraken]

Am I just unlucky or shard echoes feel worse than generic rare loot?

[umbral sand]

Do anyone have any idea if there is any game offer announced or when do you think there will be one?

[stone granite]

You'll love them after wipes

[stone granite]

You just missed a sale

[sonic kraken]

I'm pretty sure that the devs said there's no wipes planned

[umbral sand]

yes? i saw in a page the last one was in july, maybe outdated then

[stone granite]

They are planned probably every 3 months

Leagues always wipe in between

[sonic kraken]

Offline characters are unaffected by that.

[stone granite]

Yeah well they aren't making the game for offline players

[sonic kraken]

That's completely false

Offline will be pretty much the same as online

Plus it's not a wipe because you'll still be able to access your stuff in the eternal/standard/whatever it's going to be called realm

[stone granite]

The game is designed and balanced around leagues. That's why shard echoes are great. That's what I've explained to you.

[sonic kraken]

And I'm trying to explain to you that it's not balanced around leagues because the devs didn't even decide how long the cycles will even be

You're literally pulling information out of your ass right now

[woven fulcrum]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[slate nymph]

How do you guys sort out your exalts and idols? I kinda tend to hoard them all and i cant keep up with new Stash Tabs

[sonic kraken]

Idols are kind of dependant on what you need at the moment but usually I just filter all non-unique, class-specific idols that are not for my class and not worry about it too much. As for generic ones I tend to keep a bunch of idols with high resists. Exalts I just throw away if I can't think about a build that could use it but some people hoard them and use it as fodder for low LP items to merge and see what sticks

[hollow socket]

Talking about which: Does Abyssal Echoes shotgun with all echoes if you turn it to hit dmg with the "Potent Corruption"-node?

[minor kindle]

afaik no

Based on testing of 3 dummies at the Champions Gate

[acoustic thicket]

Hello everybody, I am new around here (also somewhat new to Last Epoch, but not ARPGs), currently making a second character based around Aura of Decay and Spirit Plague.

I am Level 47, 958HP, 75+ Poison Resistance and 122 Health Regen
I can sustain Aura of Decay easily, until I allocate Icarian Poison, because I end up going over 9 Poisons (which is apparently my maximum right now).

Is Icarian Poison good? How can I sustain it?

[safe harness]

I know acolyte has idols that reduce damage over time taken, so it could be that you’ll need to be higher level to gain access to the items you’ll need to sustain

[acoustic thicket]

Oh dope, thank you very much!

[acoustic thicket]

Is there a way to make enemies explode if they die with Poison on them?

[balmy current]

No, though some skills make mobs explode on death.

[balmy current]

The entire point of that node means that you'll need to toggle AoD off from time to time. It's not meant to be sustainable over a long term.

[pearl plank]

are there any rewards thatll be given when multiplayer releases based on how much you progressed now?

for example reaching level 100

[stone granite]

No why would there be

[stoic steeple]

so what are the ways to gain mana in LE if mana on hit/mana leech doesnt exist?

purely just mana regen?..

and also can someone explain to me why we cant regen while channeling?.. thats kinda odd

[vapid aspen]

No regen while channelling keeps design space open for some really cool stuff

there are some skills that do allow you to regen while channelling though

offhand focus and wandering spirits

[stoic steeple]

how do i get my hands on that it sounds like what i need because im going crazy with this "blender" void knight build not allowing me to cast any spells basically

(never have mana)

[vapid aspen]

So there are also many skills that can sustain mana

mana gain on hit just isnt a stat

its a thing on some skills

on sentinel there is one in the base passive tree that works for some skills

Overall its fairly healthy though

when the main gate for casting your skills is a resource rather than time it means you have time to move between skills without losing dps

[stoic steeple]

my previous character was a low-life lich with spirit plague and drain life

i had the same issues there

why is mana such an issue in LE?

[vapid aspen]

Its not really a big issue for me tbh

i rarely run into issues with mana

outside playing sorcerer and rogue

what type of low life lich?

[brave ibex]

It's supposed to be an issue

[vapid aspen]

because drain life has a node that totally turns off mana cost

I dont think it is always supossed to be an issue

there are many skills with 0 cost that can deal good damage

[brave ibex]

Well of course, if you arent spending mana, its not an issue

Otherwise it's something you have to solve, and not by equipping 1 item with mana leech

[vapid aspen]

cost and mana are there to make sure that things like meteor can feel big and chunky without being broken

Or like the ramp up node on warpath

Lich is definitely not something I've ever hit mana issues on outside soul feast

[stoic steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnQk6uEYRlg&t=91s&ab_channel=EpochBuilds

this was my ever first build in the game

and i always felt mana hungry to the point where the build wasnt fun

then i switched to druid maelstrom which didnt have mana issues at all

and now im back to LE trying to play the warpath VK but i literally cant press anything other than warpath or else i go oom, and i need to stop channeling warpath because lunge costs mana -_-

[vapid aspen]

The best advice I can give you is to keep trying new builds, you do get a feel for mana stuf over time.

[stoic steeple]

this seems like a..... well. very weird design choice

[vapid aspen]

VK is definitely a bit hard on the mana costs

[stoic steeple]

i just dont understand

do they expect us to never have mana i dont get it

or literally stop casting so i can regen?.. what

[vapid aspen]

Warpath has a node that restores mana

Sentinel has access to a helmet mod that can basically halve channel cost, and a relic that reduces the cost by a flat amount

[brave ibex]

Yeah I'm not sure why you're acting like the game doesn't give you options to deal with that

[vapid aspen]

Like basically whats going on here is there are 2 types of build

[stoic steeple]

i dont recall seeing this on the build though

let me check!

[vapid aspen]

top left of tree

[stoic steeple]

i channel for free, thats less the issue

it costs 1 mana to start warpath

then from there its free

the problem is you use other skills like even simply JUST lunge

and if i spam lunge i get OOM after 3 casts

because i dont regen while spinning

[vapid aspen]

So yeah, there are 2 types of builds

[brave ibex]

You don't have to copy a build guide directly. If you watch the Blender guide he doesn't use Lunge. if you want to, then find a way to solve the mana issue

[stoic steeple]

where si this?

i cant find it

[brave ibex]

Top left

[vapid aspen]

one is a build that spams a low or zero cost skill with lower damage, another is a build that uses a higher power skill and other skills to help sustain the cost of the higher power

Some skills by default are in one category or the other

but many can be changed between the two with their skill trees

[vapid aspen]

Warpath tree

[stoic steeple]

oh

so i need to spend 2 points to get there

[vapid aspen]

Yeah and thats the tradeoff

[brave ibex]

You need to spend points to solve problems, yeah

[stoic steeple]

why didnt the dude on the video take it though

[brave ibex]

Like I just said

He doesn't use Lunge

[stoic steeple]

even just casting anamoly is a lot

but ill give it a shot

[vapid aspen]

There are also mana tools in vk passive tree

[stoic steeple]

it should fix issues

(i hope)

[vapid aspen]

towards the right of it

[brave ibex]

From the gameplay demo of that build I don't see him do anything but hold Warpath down for the entire echo

[stoic steeple]

i mean ill be honest

i dont see a point NOT using other skills though

he literally only uses 2 skills (warpath and anamoly)

the rest he said himself you can flavor

so i added in devouring orb as it seems to be a good fit

[vapid aspen]

the point is that you may not have the mana to run all the skills

[stoic steeple]

and lunge also seemed reasonable

[brave ibex]

Lunge is actually quite expensive, the cost scales with distance

[vapid aspen]

Arguably too expensive tbh

[brave ibex]

It used to have reduced cost nodes before the rework

[stoic steeple]

not argueably, definitely

its wild

travel skills shouldnt cost that much

[vapid aspen]

lunge is a skill that can be main damage source

[minor kindle]

nah, generally only focus on one type of damage, it's hard to mix melee and spells well.

[vapid aspen]

cough spellblade

[brave ibex]

The point of that warpath build is you literally have 100%+ movespeed so you don't need a travel skill

[vapid aspen]

Did they ever fix the messy targeting on lunge when you take paranoia?

[stoic steeple]

well if you want to use more skills like devouring orb

you need SOME manaregen while spinning

[brave ibex]

Yep

[vapid aspen]

Yep and that's what the node is for

you give up a bit of warpath damage output (like a tiny bit) but then you can augment with other skills

[brave ibex]

I'm not sure what DO adds though in the first place

[stoic steeple]

why cant i solve it via gear though

[minor kindle]

@stoic steeple your problem is actually that you feel your damage is too low (so you add skills that cost mana) before you can copy the blender build guide.
And after that I gave you a modified build planner example, have you checked it?

[stoic steeple]

more void damage

[brave ibex]

What do you mean

[brave ibex]

That's a tiny amount

[stoic steeple]

75% is tiny?

[brave ibex]

75 increased, yeah

Like if you're dropping dmg nodes in Warpath to get mana, to use DO, you're just losing damage

[minor kindle]

This bonus is relatively small...instead it breaks your mana cycle

[rancid minnow]

increased = additive :) so if you have 1000% increased from different sources, having another 75% isn't very much

more = multiplicative

if it was 75% more, then it would be a lot of damage

[stoic steeple]

nah what breaks my mana cycle is lunge

DO barely costs anything

with the 5/5 speed+mana reduction

its barely a smidge

the issue is mainly lunge

thats the mana cost of DO

insignificant

5 mana

[vapid aspen]

Might I recommend shield rush instead of lunge?

[stoic steeple]

i cant, the build uses a 2h

[brave ibex]

I mean

Shield Rush costs more

[minor kindle]

Then I recommend the combo of Smite+VR with no mana cost as a result which can be a movement skill with a lot of movement speed bonus.

[stoic steeple]

VR?

[vapid aspen]

Volatile reversal

[stoic steeple]

i dont like being returned back 2s it feels wonky

why smite though?

[stoic steeple]

😐

that does not seem enjoyable

whatsoever

[vapid aspen]

idk I love technical movement stuff like that

[minor kindle]

nothing will always be perfect for your needs imo 🤔

[stoic steeple]

asking for a mobility skill that doesnt cost me half my mana is too much to ask for?..

come on man

[brave ibex]

All of the travel skills have a similar cost

That's just the game you're playing

[stoic steeple]

huh? thats not true

lunge costs more with distance

thats the main issue

[brave ibex]

OK how much does it cost full screen

Like 20-30?

[stoic steeple]

thats 1/3rd of my mana!!!!

so 3 casts and im oom

so yes i think thats an issue, sue me

[vapid aspen]

I mean the solution is the regen node on warpath though?

[brave ibex]

"that's not true"

[vapid aspen]

and then you can do it

[brave ibex]

But it literally is, lol

Lunge = 20/30, Shield Rush w/ mana nodes = 20, Smite = 20

Fix your mana issues, or, go make a suggestion post for devs to make Lunge free I guess?

[stoic steeple]

does mage teleport cost more with distance?

[brave ibex]

No, are you suggesting we standardise all classes?

Let's give Mage and Sentinel the same movement skill

[minor kindle]

teleport's mana cost is 28 as a base...

and 8 for Lunge

[stoic steeple]

no, i suggest to tone down the mana cost of lunge

why is that so offensive to you

why are you so defensive like im attacking you

[brave ibex]

"Defensive"

After spending like 30 minutes giving you solutions to your issue which you refuse to accept

[stoic steeple]

yeah, this is aggressive

[brave ibex]

It's not aggressive, this is the game you're playing, but you refuse to accept it

[stoic steeple]

no, youre definitely aggro

but thats not the point

you gave me a solution to the channeling mana cost, which i used, and works okay for the most part

[vapid aspen]

Just saying though, I'm sitting here on a vk with no gear spamming lunge on CD during warpath and not running oom

[stoic steeple]

but lunge is the topic and it still costs too much

[brave ibex]

So go made a feedback post

[vapid aspen]

I agree lunge is a bit too expensive

and at the least the tooltip should tell you how much it costs at max distance

[stoic steeple]

im currently 68 with this build and i can sustain 5 lunges now (with the mana regen) before going oom

and yes i use it on CD

(because why wouldnt i? why walk when i can lunge)

[brave ibex]

Because you're playing a build that gets 100+ move speed

[stoic steeple]

but you dont get 100% movespeed at 68 do you

[brave ibex]

???

So deal with your mana issues until you do

[stoic steeple]

so you adjust

you adjust by using mobility

[vapid aspen]

Or you adjust by taking the points that restore mana with warpath

even if lunge had a cost of 2 you would still have this same issue because of what you're doing

[brave ibex]

Apparently you adjust by complaining about bad game design, when you aren't even level 70

[stoic steeple]

literally people agree lunge is too costly

ok whatever guys if you wanna lynch someone have fun

jesus christ

[vapid aspen]

I mean I'm talking like... it should cost 5 less mana at max distance

[brave ibex]

I'm not sure that 1 person agreeing with you proves anything, but ok lol

[vapid aspen]

you could reduce it to a cost of 1 and you would still run oom because you're using warpath

and not taking the node to solve your mana issues

which exists specifically for this purpose

[stoic steeple]

i did, its still too much

it upped it from 3 lunges to 5

which is nice

but still not enough to sustain 1 skill

[vapid aspen]

But I literally was just sustaining it on a vk with no skill tree

indefinitely

at max range

[proven dune]

just wondering about something - will we get additional inventory (not stash) bags as we progress in the story?

[vapid aspen]

no but you can get tabs with gold

stash tabs

in general you won't run out of inventory space on your character once you have a feel for what things are worth picking up

and once you set up a filter

(Don't pick things up to sell for gold, devs intentionally made sell prices very low so that you wouldn't need to think about it)

[balmy current]

That 8 mana is for point blank range, if you use Lunge at a longer range it uses double (ish).

[stoic steeple]

is T6 DoT good for time rot?

or do i just want melee void and void damage

[stone granite]

Time rot doesn't scale with melee void

[stoic steeple]

dude on the guide said to take it

[brave ibex]

You're not scaling time rot damage

It's just to enable this node

[stoic steeple]

thats his weapon

it has double melee void damage

if im scaling time rot, then why so much melee void?

or is time rot secondary damage?

[stone granite]

I don't know, ask the guide maker

[brave ibex]

You aren't scaling time rot

[stoic steeple]

mkay i think it makes more sense now what i need to scale

thanks

[rancid minnow]

Has there been any talk about supportive classes and builds for Last Epoch (mainly useful for multiplayer)? Tanks, debuffers, buffers, healers etc.

(for PoE players who know the terms: stuff like aurabots and cursebots)

[balmy current]

Probably not on this discord, no. 😉

[rancid minnow]

So you are saying there's a chance? :D

[stone granite]

Devs said they don't want to make any class specifically support, but there are supportive skills. Because of how threat works any tanky class can tank without any skill

[rancid minnow]

Fair, thanks! Sounds good to me :)

[pearl plank]

damage buffs gained after casting Swarm Strike and activating Locust Swarm dont increase its damage, such as Werebear form increase damage while Rampage or the Decide buff gained from the Shard Of The Shattered Lance set item. Is this intentional?

[minor kindle]

snapshot?

[pearl plank]

not during rampage

during rampage

ignore the crit number, was just me hitting the dummy on accident

59484 both times

[minor kindle]

nah, i mean it's because of the snapshot mechanism of LS

[pearl plank]

oh

meaning?

[brave ibex]

The damage of LS is set when you cast it

[pearl plank]

im watching the video about it rn yeah

thats total garbage xD

[vapid aspen]

basically every game ever works like this for performance reasons XD

*every rpg

[pearl plank]

doesnt mean its not a problem

[vapid aspen]

it's more of a problem when it doesn't work like this because of all the absurd things you can do

the abuse cases are insanity

Simple case. Let's say you have item 1: it causes spells to deal 90% less damage but cost no mana. Then item 2: it causes spells to cost 5x mana and deal 10x damage. What do you do? obviously you cast a spell with a long cast time and then change out your weapon during that time.

so, when you don't snapshot in a game, items like that can't exist or the game becomes extremely broken and also not fun to play because of all the silly nonsense people need to do

[pearl plank]

can just cancel the spell cast when switching weapons or gear

[vapid aspen]

Then you have people animation canceling stuff

[brave ibex]

You solved it, go tell every ARPG dev your solution

[vapid aspen]

and this isn't limited to gear swaps, that's just the easiest example to show

[primal citrus]

Is this Epoch

Sounds like a Epoch issue

[vapid aspen]

No this is patrick

[pearl plank]

then it seems both have their own problems

[vapid aspen]

indeed

[primal citrus]

Might be a Diablo 3, Grim Dawn, Last Epoch Issue

In fact it’s a ARPG issue

[pearl plank]

would have to make specific exceptions for each skill that could abuse it

[vapid aspen]

Exactly, it becomes a very complicated web of exceptions to keep track of. Let alone explain to players

[primal citrus]

Path of Exile is that complex

Grim Dawn and most the AROG

Arpg is complex

That’s why it’s fun

[pearl plank]

i dont think leaving it as is will work in the long run though

[primal citrus]

Harder game = more fun

[brave ibex]

Not sure why you would think this, all ARPGs work the same

[balmy current]

So the current PoE league must be the most fun ever.

[vapid aspen]

nonono, that implies the current league is actually a game

[pearl plank]

because it can be abused in different ways here, for example the werebear abusing earthquake

[brave ibex]

Go on?

[vapid aspen]

we're no stranger to bears and earthquakes here

[pearl plank]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/snapshotting-in-le-why-it-needs-to-change/47645

example 3

[brave ibex]

That's an incredibly specific situation that doesn't really seem related to Locust Swarm snapshotting it's damage

[balmy current]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-tony-stark-rolls-eyes-here-we-go-again-gif-21381032

[pearl plank]

i mean

the issue is snapshotting

not locust swarm damage

snapshotting just causes both things

[brave ibex]

Being able to use a Shaman skill without being specced into shaman tree, isn't related to skills and ailments snapshotting upon application

Separate issue entirely

[pearl plank]

[brave ibex]

Feel free to actually explain how those two things are similar

[pearl plank]

theyre both caused by the same ingame system

like all the examples in that video

[vapid aspen]

How the game works right now is basically: you press button. Skill checks your stats, skill does something based on those stats.

So fireball checks your damage stats when the projectile is being created and uses those values no matter what you change with your stats after you threw the fireball. This in my mind makes perfect sense.

[pearl plank]

makes sense until it causes problems

[stone granite]

it never causes problems

[vapid aspen]

If I throw a ball into the air as hard as I can, and then immediately start working out to increase my strength after throwing it would you expect the ball to change the height it reaches based on me working out?

[pearl plank]

no, but an ability with a long duration should in theory get stronger if you yourself get stronger seeing as youre constantly sustaining it with mana

[vapid aspen]

Swarm strike doesnt drain mana

[pearl plank]

and no ability is thowing a ball into the air

its an example

[balmy current]

That's not how it works in LE.

[pearl plank]

yes i know

and im just saying i dont agree with it

[vapid aspen]

You already made the swarm when you pressed the button. I agree that there are some specific cases where a skill should be updating its values dynamically but I dont think swarm strike is one of them

like swarm strike is snapshotting the damage in your favour from the locusts consumed

[pearl plank]

if you get a buff from an item during combat i think it should increase swarm damage

same with buffs from abilities

just that

[vapid aspen]

Sure, and then like you said whenever you change gear or otherwise change your stats the existing casts should be canceled to prevent the abuse cases

[pearl plank]

yep

[vapid aspen]

Thats the core of the issue right there.

[pearl plank]

i agree

[vapid aspen]

You gain haste buff and all existing instances of swarm strike should be canceled

because your stats changed

[pearl plank]

no thats different

[vapid aspen]

No its not.

[pearl plank]

its not a physical change, its a magial buff on your character

[balmy current]

so?

It's still a change to your stats

[pearl plank]

and so?

[balmy current]

that's what matters

[safe harness]

Do debuffs like shred increase damage after the spell is cast or is that also considered a snapshot?

[pearl plank]

no, what matters would be changing your physical equipment or form, a damage or movespeed buff cast from something else onto your character is perfectly normal in fantasy settings

[vapid aspen]

debuffs are on the enemy and they apply when the damage actually occurs

[pearl plank]

makes no sense that it would cancel anything

[balmy current]

Shred is an effect to the target, not an effect on the caster. It's an increased damage taken, not an increased damage dealt

[safe harness]

Cool

[vapid aspen]

because you cant predict all the enemies that might be impacted by a skill when skill is cast

[safe harness]

About the buff that gives move speed, there are effects that give damage with move speed so it really is the same kind of thing

[vapid aspen]

yeah nothing that impacts swarmblade this very moment

but rogue and surge both have access to it

[safe harness]

There are unique boots that give damage with speed as well

[stone granite]

This isn't some anime. Things have to mechanically work a certain way for gameplay balance reasons. What you think makes sense in a "fantasy setting" doesn't matter.

[vapid aspen]

And there are cases where it does work as you expect

holy aura causing fire burst casts on hit will use the stats you have at the time each fire burst is cast

which is the core difference here, swarm strike doesnt get cast multiple times, and it isn't a channelling skill.

its just a projectile that gets stapled to your character

(essentially)

[pearl plank]

right and a projectile thats gets a damage buff applied to it should get increased damage

[vapid aspen]

right if I fire an arrow out of my bow, and then get a better bow then the arrow in midair should be better because I'm holding a better bow

[pearl plank]

no, different thing

[vapid aspen]

The mechanics of the game dont treat them any differently because if they did it would be a game entirely about exceptions instead of rules.

[pearl plank]

exceptions that make sense imho, enchanting a weapon/projectile with magic would obviously increase its damage, i dont see why it wouldnt do it just bc its in mid air

[stone granite]

You just keep arguing against the same example you give

You make no sense

[pearl plank]

uhm no, i think youre missunderstanding

[stone granite]

No and it doesn't matter

It is how it is

[pearl plank]

it is how it is and lots of people dislike it

the biggest LE streamer said he hates snapshotting

multiple times

[brave ibex]

I'm still waiting for the part where what you're talking about is the "same system" as a druid using EQ without having it unlocked