🔪┃rogue

[buoyant roost]

so now I don't see any white numbers on uber.

I think crit is okay

yeah. but what do you really get from it.

[flint turret]

favor obviously

[serene crane]

700-800 felt ideal for like everything... 1k is nice, but didnt find it any better even when the build was deleting everything anyway... and higher than that, its just testing the limit, farming it at a serious lvl feels like a waste

[flint turret]

swap void res bless to multi

and stun duration for dodge or armor or endurance

[buoyant roost]

i already sawpped stun duraiton for dodge. weird its not updated

[flint turret]

honestly this was the first season i wanted to go hgher corr because of the ridiculos amount of favor i needed. I was farming 10-12k per 1-2 min on 1100 rune prison and it still wasnt enough for me

[buoyant roost]

because of the corruption on MG? 😄

I mean buying and corrupting

[flint turret]

im cof

for buying you dont ned favor almost at all

[buoyant roost]

man I admire you

there's nothing more I hate in this game than rolling prophecies

unless they improve the system by next season im going perma MG

[flint turret]

yo think i like it or what kekw

[serene crane]

Yea you got ultra unlucky also higher corr feels waaaay more doable this patch than before, even with more potato fun builds; at least with rogue

[flint turret]

but i hate MG UI even more

and filtering items for selling

[buoyant roost]

try cinder striek XD

[buoyant roost]

but its exciting a little bit at least.

MG has 0 excitment to browisng prophecies 😄

[serene crane]

Once it gets some interesting conversion... 😄

[flint turret]

i had no issues with browsing prophesies this season it was quite fast tbh

i didnt need havocs that much because i was slamming any of multi\inc\bow AS\bow flat crit and its easier to redeption those then havoc

[serene crane]

One of the roadmaps mentioned some improvements for CoF in 1.5, so we'll see If we get something or everything gets changed 3 times again 😄

[flint turret]

i just needed some creation runes prophesies

and rings mostly

[buoyant roost]

they need at least 2 QoL

1. First that I don't need to mouse over the prophecies to see what they are.
2. Have a button to reroll prophecies

With that I would hate it at least 50% less

[flint turret]

mike already said that changes for factions are coming 1.5

both ui and lvl bonuses

i think we will just be able to buy the prophesy we need from how he phrased it or something close to it

[buoyant roost]

already loving it 😄

[flint turret]

and lvl bonused for mg and token system gets overhauled

because lvl bonuses are useless now

you buy everything with tokens anyway

[serene crane]

I made two suggestions some time ago... one where you could see what prophecies you have on the side while rolling them so you dont have to monkey around, going out into factions to check what you have... and second to be able to sort the prophecies you picked by their goal, so you dont have to check every single prophecy to see what you gotta do... buuuut unless its actually in 1.5 update, it got ignored like 99.9% of other suggestions 😄

[buoyant roost]

well, there's so many suggestion they can consider. some do get implemented 😄

what honestly I would love to see in 1.5 is just this mega powercreep over old skills

but that's too much work to expect. but many of the old skills need complete node revamp

[flint turret]

yeah i was feelinп like an actual harvester in rune prisons... with movement rend i just go in, hold rend and do the circle on the "field" harvesting 5 "crops" and go to the next "field". Rend movement animation also suit it well

multishot does ir way worse sadly

rend cascade allows to open all 5 simultaniusly while dishing out dps on all 5 locations from lingering shadows

with mm i had to open 1 by one

[serene crane]

Opening all prisons at once can be a bit scary

[flint turret]

nop

they are instadead

it cascades ahile i move to open the next with movement rend

i can click the prison while still holding rend and moving with it

probably should have made a vid, but whatever i guess

[flint turret]

yeah mm cant handle 10 mages + warden+couple of champs at once because no omnidirectional clear while moving

[serene crane]

Have you tried opening all Shade prisons?

[flint turret]

yeah i did

at 1000+ they dont die that fast sadly

also animation for opening is working badly so im not sure did i open it or not and i waste too many time near each one

but 2 by 2 is fine

[buoyant roost]

almost always I die here 🙁

[flint turret]

`swap to bladeshield

x2 dps

[buoyant roost]

i know, but I don't like the gameplay 😄

[flint turret]

you like the gameplay of dying on uber more?

[buoyant roost]

yes 😄

im not kidding. the way I play my char is the most important feeling for me

that's why I dont play rend. its super boring

wow stand in place and spam rend

[flint turret]

??

rend is a movement skill bro

#🔪┃rogue message

[serene crane]

Cant say I enjoyed the movement of Rend that much... sure its good, just feels weird doing the tic-tac-tic-tac movement 😄 DS feels smooth aaaand I really wish more skills will become instant use without you stopping in place to use them... so I could run and just self cast shurikens

[buoyant roost]

🙁 I say again, I admire you

and I'm not being sarcastic

[flint turret]

i dont get the reasons for admiration but thanks. I mean i kinda get you, i liked HS a LOT when it was introduced, i spent like 3 days attempting uber in a budget HS setup in 1.2, ended up in 11 min uber fight i wont repeat ever voluntarily https://youtu.be/s6QKDRHdoC4

[buoyant roost]

well you really can push through stuff that annoys me easily. that's why I'm saying it. I get bored super quickly, and it makes me enjoy life in general less

like grinding part of the games in general really takes the life out of me super fast

and I know that to achieve something greater you need to push through this

[flint turret]

thats kinda the same for me tho. thats why all my setups are mostly budget and low lps

i never even used a multiexalted legendary

[buoyant roost]

yeah. waiting for those drops seem like ac omplete waste of time

but I could spend days literally to defeat uber

I guess realization that something depends heavily on RNG is what is triggering me

[flint turret]

yeah same, it was easier for me to try uber for 6-8h than to farm rune prison for 2

[buoyant roost]

I never understood the concept of "one guy gets it first day, other one spends 100 days for the same"

[flint turret]

this is the first season i had to resort to farming rune prison ever just because i needed millions of favor

[buoyant roost]

when I played Lost Ark, I quit because I couldn't get the star from that chameleon in Papunika

(if you played LA)

and the whole upgrade system man 😄

[flint turret]

i didnt

[buoyant roost]

I watched Asmongold get 2x 1% chances in a row

while I spent an entire month of spending resources to get it

I quit 😄

[flint turret]

makes sense

[buoyant roost]

but there are poeple who can push through this and not complain

[flint turret]

yeah i usually try to avoid all gamba systems in games since my luck is pretty terrible overall

[buoyant roost]

how? I don't get it. not for me I guess 😄

That's why the RPG of the old were the best 😄

[flint turret]

i missed 2lp slam 17 times in a row in 1.2

[buoyant roost]

D2, Titan Quest. Turn on a mod, increase drops to some "reasonable" chances

[flint turret]

which should have been 33%

[buoyant roost]

yeah but thats really mega unlucky 🙁 33% is fine in general

[flint turret]

this season shuri bow corruption broke me too

[buoyant roost]

LE should be careful reallly. We currently have at least 3 RNG phases to get to our "perfect" item.
First you need a good LP with a good rolls
Second you need a good slam
Third you need a corruption

[flint turret]

i ended up with 65+ 1lp drelkors that ended up with a second affix after corruption, and from those 65 only 1 was shuri

i didnt even count ones that didnt get an affix

[buoyant roost]

yeah shuri seems super rare. I also only got it once and it's this one T5. I ahve I think around 30 Gathering Fury's

[flint turret]

no its not i had like a tab full of shuri corruptions just from omen drops

but it wasnt drelk

[buoyant roost]

oh I have those from omens as well... but the ones you corrupt

[flint turret]

1 out of 30 is perfectly fine, its 4.25% chance

mine was like 1 out of 150 if not more

was a huge mistake even trying it on cof ngl

[buoyant roost]

yeah.... MG should feel in this case mega better. I guess Gathering or Dreaklors LP1 goes mega cheap

[flint turret]

It's not about 1lp, it's about 0lp with t6-t7 shuri

You can just go mg buy the bow instantly and start playing the build

On cof... Gl with that

[buoyant roost]

for sure. in general though with any new build you wanan start. I remember last season I would just level quickly, go MG and get items for like 80% BIS of my build

13% on ubby 🙁

[flint turret]

Yeah true, but this is the first time the gap is this enormous for just being able to play the build at all

And it's not only for bow and quiver. Getting soulgambler on cof is terrible too. I farmed 26 echoes for soulgambler and bought all amulets from them and ended up with exactly 1(!) amulet

While again you can just buy those on mg for a laughable price

And I can't farm both embers and favor fast at the same time sadly

[buoyant roost]

yeah. and every time you get new affixes it dilutes the chances of getting the right exalt. so each new affix basically nerfs CoF. while on MG, you want "melee attack speed", just browse buy. They need a way that you can guarantee an affix as well in CoF. It's a MUST.

[steady cypress]

hmm so we have an umbral blade recall farming high corruption here too https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/PodajPiwo/character/AutoPartsTina

I wonder if it is good at farming

[potent rune]

Yes it is it was very good last league normal umbral

[steady cypress]

in the beginning of the season it is an uberroth one shotter

not sure if the falconer version can still do so currently

[potent rune]

Normal umbral was still kicking ass of uber before and new umbral is absolutely busted so yeah falconer definitely ca do it

[steady cypress]

tbh I have not tried how recall works

seems like it requires a complicated combo

[potent rune]

If you couldn't farm with it podaj wouldn't even play that and you can

[steady cypress]

what is podaj?

[potent rune]

The player

The first uber kill was falconer recall

[steady cypress]

I though he remarked that it is a pure bosser?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMKUJWvTch0

[potent rune]

His version yeah doesn't mean you cant map with recall

[steady cypress]

I wonder how to play ordinary recall umbral blade falconer (the general purpose version)

like do you need some complicated combo?

or just spam aerial assult, falcony and dive bomb?

[idle flower]

does having 100%+ increased melee attack speed on your stats page equal to capping out movement speed for dancing strikes?

oh wait nvm there is a separate melee attack speed stat oops

[idle flower]

so if 1.5 aps is 25% ms does dancing strike cap out the movement speed at 3aps?

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane @flint turret
Finally 😓

Thanks for the help! @flint turret i moved to the Blade Shield in the end. it's tough both ways though.

[serene crane]

ezpz, now repeat 100 times

[buoyant roost]

no thank you 😄 i'm retiring from this season very soon

[flint turret]

how long was the fight?

[buoyant roost]

I'm not sure.... maybe 3 minutes

[flint turret]

not that fast huh

i was expecting closer to 2 with you having bladeshield

[buoyant roost]

maybe 2 when I think about it.

this was the first time, but I will try more and record

[flint turret]

nice

well 2-3 is still impressive considering its HS and not MS

also you having no frenzy

[buoyant roost]

i do have some frenyz on the HS

[buoyant roost]

@flint turret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8AmD_VB3_Y

[flint turret]

wait why no rickoshet?

[buoyant roost]

I played a bit. how do you know i have no ricochet 😄

[flint turret]

i dont see bladeshield disappearing

meaning you have pierce

[buoyant roost]

keen eye 😄

I maxed the crit chance

and some more damage I guess

[flint turret]

i think 75 multi would be bigger than 5% more and 12 pen

[buoyant roost]

I also dond't like I have to put that phys shred node

[flint turret]

yeah but its still 75 multi for 2 points

[buoyant roost]

I will test it.

[flint turret]

i guess it wont make that big of a difference dont worry about it

[buoyant roost]

what do you think about hte fight. not bad. its pretty clean usually until the very end

when all the things on the floor + lasers start shooting

that's when I start panicking a bit

[flint turret]

when you kill him that fast it barely matters

[buoyant roost]

but yeah bladeshield is just so much more damage in general then the line

[flint turret]

overall you could faster move to 1st harb and use red holes more

you didnt use red holes at all

[buoyant roost]

im waiting for him to shoot the red things

what are red holes

[buoyant roost]

why im waiting for him on both 1st and 2nd harbinger is for him to do the one shot things. 1st red flying orbs that can 1 shot me, and 2nd the blue wave

[flint turret]

it clears all pools beneath it and prevents them while its active

[buoyant roost]

oh lol. I had no idea man 🙁 I don't investigate much ahaha

[flint turret]

you did good considering you are basically almost zhp and no ward

[buoyant roost]

yeah silver shroud though is life safer

[flint turret]

regular autoattack should kill you probably

[buoyant roost]

yeah everyitnng almost one shots me 😄

but it was a lesson hard learned... I died at least 50 times on this char

[flint turret]

yeah not a fan of zhp gaming

[buoyant roost]

yeah were not like sentinels

get 2k hp with nothing 😄

and 60% armor

[flint turret]

you can get tons of ward with soulgambler

https://youtu.be/T1g3J2yED4k

[buoyant roost]

thats insane dmg

[flint turret]

mine is not anywhere near insane

[buoyant roost]

please dont say umbral 😄 that is stupid

[flint turret]

no i meant shuriken just with a semi-decent gear

[buoyant roost]

ah yeah. those guy that one shot him basically

[flint turret]

that was 0lp bow 0lp quiver and soulgambler instead of xithara for more damage

[buoyant roost]

why is your razorfall naked 😄

[flint turret]

i didnt have decent 1lp to slam yet

i needed 12 dex or i loose 180 stats

with frenzy on traversal t7 razors it became much better combined with frenzy efficiency from them + worlds

[buoyant roost]

but that is a good build no doubt

and also crazy clear

[flint turret]

yeah i liked it overall more than rend cascade

but rend cascade is better at clearing omens and rune prison

this one is better for regular monos

[buoyant roost]

one thing that I fail to understand though. isn't HS supposed to get much more shuriken stacks because of recurve?

what am I missing here

This I guess? each arrow can do shuriken?

[flint turret]

Yes

17 arrows with multishot and double casts

Recurve without dex stack and tons of recurve affixes is like what, 5-7 on average?

Potentially rend multishot can dish out a lot more of those but I couldn't find a somewhat easy a way to feel it good and after going through all those cof farming struggle to even get started with bow shuri I was already drained to explore and experiment more with it

But I'm positive it's possible

[buoyant roost]

do you think mana can be sustained without draelkor

[kind adder]

Bro wtf

This shite is fire

[kind adder]

HS would probably be better for a more ranged playstyle, no? Multishot kinda requires shotgunning which is great with blade shield, but if I wanted to try ranged shurikens hs is probably better I'm guessing

[potent rune]

Multishot shuriken is kinda busted for mapping and bossing more than hearthseeker variant

Overall multishot is still a crap skill ,rend multishot is crap compared to rend cascade but multishot shuriken is busted kinda funny that marksman best build is a shuriken or throwing build not bow

For example multishot shuriken blade shield can one shot uber

[kind adder]

I just meant specifically if you wanted to play at range rather than shotgun/bladeshield shuri. Like with the shurikens all going in a line node

[potent rune]

Yeah you wouldn't use blade shield at all for mapping you just get that for bossing like uber

Multishot has better clear ty to its 17 arrows

[flint turret]

https://youtu.be/HfjI6Wlx8nI?si=LXW4mHqkPMLxJOhs

With multishot you shoot a pack of 10 enemies and launch like 5 shuri instantly in the fan pattern, with hs you shoot them, launch maybe one right away, and maybe 1-2 more with a slight delay on the same target

Puncture on kill somewhat helps but it's still worse then multishot

[buoyant roost]

I wish LE had like a build save, where you can swap between them. Meaning like skill templates. This scenario is especially underlined with Shuriken. You want Chakrma for clear and Shield for bossing. Maybe even Line can be good for some scenarios.

[flint turret]

It's just 2 points respec

[buoyant roost]

but you have to map to get the exp

[flint turret]

At 1000 core it's like 30 seconds of mapping

[buoyant roost]

I know, but there could be scenarios where you want to change more

so you have one build in general for bossing, 2nd for mapping

[flint turret]

But yeah I get what you mean, swapping between 2 variations like poe2 does would be nice

That was basically a reason why I stopped using razors on throwing rend cascade

When swapping to tabis the points are messed up

So I started to use charions instead that can be safely swapped with tabis for bosses

But then I ended up with wither oveecapped or under capped res because charions give all res

It's not a big deal but still unpleasant

Also 1m gold to swap a mastery on cof is a bit too much considering the stash tabs costs

I had to do it 2 times and it had a terrible impact on my stash

[buoyant roost]

yeah. I only switched on lower level, so it was not much, around ~200 at I think lvl70

[steady cypress]

Hi, just want to ask

for umbral blade recall centric build, is falconer the best?

[inner musk]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnagY88L why does this build focus on shuriken

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Rogue (23) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (56) / Falconer (26)

General:

▸ Health: 1,281, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 227.98, Regen: 11.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 70 Dex / 6 Int / 6 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 11% / 11% / 11% / 26% / 11% / 17% / 22%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 256
▸ Dodge Chance: 17% (574)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (440)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Puncture / Shift

[inner musk]

i want heartseeker mostlyt

[wary cedar]

then do a heartseeker build

[inner musk]

i am following this one

but t he shurikens idk why yet

[wary cedar]

this is not a heartseeker build

its a shurican build

[inner musk]

wth

urgh let me look at a heartskeer one

Chance to cast Shurikens on Bow Crit it says this

but it should be heart using heart seeker as main ability right

[wary cedar]

yea, but it's not the main dmg

also heartseeker is not the best for shuricen build

[inner musk]

ahh makes sense

oh

whats the causin g the shuriken to fire when i crit tho?

[wary cedar]

corrupotin affix

[inner musk]

phew that might be a pain to hit xD

[wary cedar]

it's 4% chance to get it, with around 1% to get a good tier of it

so its big gamba build

on the quiver it's even rarer

[inner musk]

oh sounds fun

i am just playing til poe2 so this might be a fun build to try and hit\

[wary cedar]

i would recommend using multishot then

if you want to go for shuricen

[inner musk]

i kinda wanted to pair something up with heartseeker

might just od this varition for this season

last league i did a pure shuriken one

[wary cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrXZwbVy

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (15) / Marksman (52) / Falconer (26)

General:

▸ Health: 1,300, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 245.32, Regen: 8.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 57 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 23% / 23% / 23% / 23% / 23% / 38% / 43%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 260
▸ Dodge Chance: 11% (363)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 12% (327)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 4%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Multishot / Shadow Rend / Smoke Bomb / Shurikens

[wary cedar]

that would also be a variation of it

a bit more funky tho

[inner musk]

oh wait not very different

[wary cedar]

yea you spam traversal shadow rend with doppelgaenger set on cooldown

and only directly use heartseeker

for mana gain mainly

i never really tried end game with it tho

[inner musk]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/mango321/character/MangoRouge

[inner musk]

i think i know how its gonna be tho

might not be my playstyle

[wary cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL0z3Rm2

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (66) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,114, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 199.42, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 143 Dex / 26 Int / 36 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 164% / 354% / 184% / 18% / 104% / 154% / 141%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 423
▸ Dodge Chance: 56% (2290)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (908)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 46%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Puncture / Dark Quiver / Heartseeker / Shurikens

[wary cedar]

thats my character i played mostly this season

being classic heartseeker but with the shuri corruption for some better dps against bosses

[inner musk]

oh that looks super sick

heartskeer sure is a fun skill

[wary cedar]

agree, but next season i really need to play something else xd

[inner musk]

yeah lol

[steady cypress]

@wary cedar btw have you tried umbral blade recall falconer?

[wary cedar]

i dont play birb

[sturdy bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/nightreign-guardian-gif-11621145306692998326

[steady cypress]

what is birb

[wary cedar]

falcon

its a bird

also know as birb

i dont play birb

[steady cypress]

damn for me I love pet/minion builds in general

[stable anchor]

falconer is a fake minion build

[steady cypress]

since the "minions" actually scales with your stats right?

for me ballista are still true minions

not sure about other falcon builds

[wary cedar]

i only like summoner playstile in terraria

[cobalt mantle]

Because birds aren't real

[mellow gyro]

Does Detonating Arrow just suffer numerical weakness? I just do my own builds and it seems quite weak no matter how I tried. If anyone knows please just answer yes or no, as in if I should just abandon a build around it. I play pure HC, so I cant go full dmg

[wary cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6Lge3r try this build xd

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (40) / Bladedancer (32) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (16)

General:

▸ Health: 2,908, Regen: 3,063.64/s
▸ Mana: 387.51, Regen: 14.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 115%, Regen: 1138/s
▸ Attributes: 155 Str / 52 Dex / 31 Int / 31 Att / 75 Vit
▸ Resistances: 68% / 68% / 68% / 67% / 90% / 107% / 112%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,414
▸ Dodge Chance: 27% (913)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (513)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 15%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 25%

Used skills:

Detonating Arrow / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Cinder Strike / Shadow Cascade

[mellow gyro]

Lol. I kind of mentioned that I just need a yes or no answer as I make my own builds 😄

[wary cedar]

it's not a real build

just a meme

and that being the only thing DA can

being a meme

[mellow gyro]

So it's a no, as it suffers from numerical issues. Got it

[potent rune]

Ehg doesn't like DA it had a good build then got nuked their other good build which I never got to do it got nuked as well,and then the only worth thing which was a one shot uber build also got nuked which makes no sense with so many one shots but hey ,marksman signature skill is pretty trash unless they reverse all the nerfs or change entirely how it works

[steady cypress]

@wary cedar is it meme enough to one shot uberroth and useless at everything else?

[wary cedar]

it only makes you suffer

but at least you re tanky with the build

so you can suffer for longer

[flint turret]

at this point id rather have heartseeker as a MM mastery skill over DA

at least then we could level with it instead of having a useless skill

[potent rune]

DA doesnt one shot anything anymore its destroyed on thay regard,you missed the cap on mana stack

I want draelkor to be good again never played it on 1.0 and all my 4 lp daggers dont do anything since its not good anymore,

[mellow gyro]

But it's not just DA, the entire games' balance is whack

Hopefully with the expansion they revamp the entire game

[potent rune]

Ysah hopefully balance,bugs,qol,endgame idk they have to fix at least 1 of this issues soon and 2 by the expansion

[kind adder]

It's bad. Low damage if you don't go mana stack, and even if you do the damage isn't high enough for the gear investment

[mellow gyro]

sad

[kind adder]

Marksman in general probably the weakest mastery for rogue this season

Unless you get insanely lucky with the shuriken corruption

Then maybe the best?

lol

[flint turret]

At this point I don't even think they should be trying to fix balance because clearly they doesn't have a vision. Better focus on things they do good like new content or whatever

I mean just look at umbrals... Infinite scaling for crit multi for recall, infinite scaling of inc damage from omen boosted idols, doppel to further boost the infinite scaling, rend and tabi to further boost the infinite scaling, and flow to double it at the end. Anyone who played a game even a bit from a glance should be seeing how this is not going to end up okay

To be fair we had a glimpse of brilliance being HS in 1.2 where the new skill ended up both super good mechanically and fairly well balanced but overall yeah it's not going great

[flint turret]

I'd say it's not "stronger" than zhp ballista or recall umbrals but it's definitely somewhere out there. The gameplay and clear is amazing I'd dare to say

Single target with bs is also off the charts

[kind adder]

1.2 HS was so much fun

Tbf it still is, just so many other builds are a lot better which is sad. HS still feels like the premium spot for balance in terms of gearing, damage, and survivability

[flint turret]

And it didn't become any worse, it's gotten much better with corruptions and new idol setups, but if anything it got power crept out by shurikens... Which I probably don't mind that much either

[kind adder]

I never realized until trying to gear melee DA that rogue has 1(one!!) cold melee skill... and it's a marksman skill 😭😭😭

[flint turret]

Yeah it's in the great spot imo

[flint turret]

Yeah it was a bit unexpected to get 2 skill conversions to fire instead of cold or lightning. But I don't mind really

[kind adder]

I kinda hate how many throwing skills are on rogue. Shurikens, Acid Flask, Decoy, Bladestorm, Umbral Blades, Smoke Bomb, Explosive Trap, Net... that's a hell of a lot of skills that don't scale with any particular weapon type. Granted 2 or 3 are just utility but still...

I am banging the drum for a throwing weapon type

[flint turret]

Cascade, hs, shadow daggers also

[kind adder]

Yeah if you're counting conversions, which if you're playing SC, throwing is typically the way to go

[flint turret]

Yeah not having a throwing weapon is not that great

[kind adder]

I would love to not have to put throwing damage in every single slot so that my throwing skill does damage

Granted they usually do a ton of damage but like

That just doesn't feel that fun

[flint turret]

Yeah I totally get it

I don't like all slots being reserved to t7 throw either

[kind adder]

Maybe we make a spear subtype that has flat throwing implicit and flat melee implicit

[flint turret]

And we can't even put throwing speed on a weapon

[kind adder]

Or a dagger that looks like a shuriken that has flat throwing implicit

[kind adder]

Right? This and no bow speed on gloves are my biggest pet peeves

[flint turret]

At least quiver has bow as so it's fine

[potent rune]

If they ever add throwing weapons then the whole throwing affix needs a massive nerf cause already they are kinda op on their right

[flint bough]

is this a good blessing for my build which mainly does physical damage? I am looking to change the blessing from armor because I am using guile

[wary cedar]

if your build doesnt have phys shred already, yes

[flint bough]

is that different from shred armour?

[wary cedar]

armor is armor

phys res is phys res

[flint bough]

oh okay

[serene crane]

If you dont have phys resist shred from anything else, then yea, its good to have... armor shred is pretty much for hits meanwhile phys res shred can also work for bleed damage since bleed is physical

[flint bough]

i do have lots of bleed for my jormuns

[serene crane]

Well unless its dedicated bleed build, then the bleed damage is pretty much not important 😄 it just exists there for you to get the crit multi from Jormun bonus

[flint bough]

if i dont have the blessing whats a good item to get the phys shred affix?

[serene crane]

Arent you playing sync strike?

[flint bough]

yes

[serene crane]

Then you should already have it from this

[flint bough]

sweet 🙂

[flint bough]

so if all my shadows cast shadow cascade then it will be 46x the ammount of shadows so more effective?

[serene crane]

What? Each Shadow cascade just do more/increased damage per active shadow

[flint bough]

so i cant shred physical resistance with the blessing from age of winter with shadow cascade?

[serene crane]

Any hit you do has a chance to apply the shred, its same like any other ailment

[flint bough]

thats what i was talking about was the blessing

[flint bough]

my god i just cleared 9.5k corruption map with these modifiers wow that was a long map

[quartz gust]

A long map? Looks likely you barely touched it XD

[flint bough]

i took that pic when i first realized i was doing no damage

i did clear the map xD

i had to clear it. only way to get rid of those modifiers

[kind adder]

@wary cedar you still grim dawning

[wary cedar]

sometimes, also playing a lot of terraria currently

[quartz gust]

I am waiting eagerly for the Grim Dawn update

I think Grim Dawn is my favourite ARPG, not sure what it is about it.

I think it’s that the levelling experience in the game is really good

[wary cedar]

i feel like the vibe of the game is cool
but builds are just somewhat boring

[serene crane]

There should be some new info talk today, people just dont know when exactly, whenever the dev feels like it 😄
"New Grim Misadventure, but that won't have the new expansion release date info. Those don't have that, they're always separate announcements for releases."

[quartz gust]

I wouldn’t say they are any more boring than Last Epochs though

[wary cedar]

for me they are

LE got way more interesting items

to make builds around it

[steady cypress]

Grim dawn has a lot of items that can define a build too

especially sets

Set items there has way larger role

[wary cedar]

define yes, are they interesting and unique? not really imo

[steady cypress]

The only thing I like in last epoch more is visual

like every skill has a unique visual

Grim dawn's many skills (especially WPS) just look like auto attacks

also I like pet builds in grim dawn too

even though they would struggle against callagdra (but still viable against her)

[quartz gust]

Maybe? Though I really dislike the attribute stacking meta LE has but yeah.

They different games and I think both are cool

I do really like farming specific enemies for specific bases in GD though, that’s really cool I think

[wary cedar]

LE has more unique scalings, like offensive stats can scale on resistance stacking, mana stacking, and some more, in GD it's all the same. That makes builds more interesting for me in LE

i mean of course at the end it's all just "get x stat" so it's whatever

but i like creating builds somewhat, and for me thats more enjoyable in LE

[quartz gust]

That’s true

[steady cypress]

yeah but for me LE wastes those scaling potential by adding high LP items and make them impossible to obtain

[wary cedar]

i only see this as a balancing factor, the better the item the rarer the high LP

this adds some variables

[steady cypress]

not with the 1/100M drop chance

for lp4

why did lp4 even exist?

if they bothered to make that drop chance

[quartz gust]

Because it’s technically possible to drop

[wary cedar]

big gamba

big dopamine

neuron activates

[steady cypress]

winning a lottery is better

[wary cedar]

being born rich is also better

but we re talking about fun in games i think no? xd

[steady cypress]

tbf

You don't have to be intelligent to know that 1/100M chance is almost impossible to farm

it's like becoming top 3 bilionaire in the USA

but bilionaire gives you real money

what does this even give?

[wary cedar]

it's either
get a mid unique with potential high lp to get more stats
or am i going for this goated unqiue but may only be able to put one stat on it

thats what i meant by it adding variables in builds

[steady cypress]

but my problem is they let scaling more unique build but they never let us reach the potential of those scalings

let's say mana scaling alone

you need 3 affixes in armor to have the 3 mana scaling there: "added mana", "increased mana", "increased mana and current mana as ward"

[wary cedar]

we got corrption gamba for this now

[steady cypress]

the last affix is corruption

and you also need some affix for defense

[quartz gust]

It’s just balancing, it’s the next best thing to just disabling it.

[wary cedar]

but i also don't think it' s bad to have a certain power level being nearly unreachable

[quartz gust]

At least this way has the potential to be more interesting.

[steady cypress]

But it's not good for minmaxer

[quartz gust]

How so?

[steady cypress]

I would rather have grim dawn

where you can have every arguments and components

[quartz gust]

It’s no different to them just disabling it

[steady cypress]

what's your threshold for disabling an item?

[wary cedar]

i truly never heard that statement before, you must be the only one xd

[quartz gust]

What are you asking?

[potent rune]

I mean the whole corruption in last epoch is crap for minmaxer

[wary cedar]

i also have a lot more points i wish LE would improve in my vision, rare LP items are nowhere near on that list lmao

[quartz gust]

How?

[potent rune]

It would be fine if they actually reduce the corruption pool to only use actual corruption affixes they made and not all available corruption like fire resistance shouldn't be an option also the whole tier corruption is so bad

[quartz gust]

You min/max a build within the means possible to you and push your corruption as high as possible or as high as you desire.

[steady cypress]

like if you want to farm and reach the highest stats/dps/etc. possible, what is the absolute threshold you convince that an item is impossible to have in this game?

[potent rune]

Nowdays is 1t7 corrupt cause good luck getting 2t7 corrupt working

[steady cypress]

like you think that a lp3 is impossible to have

but what if other people have it?

[quartz gust]

Like at what point does the rarity of an item become impossible?

[potent rune]

Its a garbage league for minmaxer and loot in general

[steady cypress]

because it exists

[steady cypress]

yeah, and is what you think even true?

[wary cedar]

i could see some guranteed corruption hits, via rare runes/glyphs and an observer kill, like shattering a corrupted item to get the corrupted affix to put it on an item without the gamba

[potent rune]

But we getting 1.5 in fall so maybe they learn something

[steady cypress]

what if you think so but other people have managed to obtain it?

[quartz gust]

You either not being very clear or I am not understanding you? What’s not true?

[potent rune]

Nah from this devs ,they dont believe in deterministic crafting is always gamba

[steady cypress]

this

you would define your own threshold so you won't be farming an item with too high rarity in this game

[wary cedar]

i mean you could still have the 1/4 chance to have the item being ruined.. would still be better than what we have rn

[quartz gust]

We were talking about the Devs balancing an item around have 2LP be the max it can have, so they have two choices. Just disable the item being able to drop an LP above 2 or make it so it’s still technically possible but very, very rare. They opted for the latter.

[quartz gust]

Exactly.

[steady cypress]

but what if other people had the item where you think that it is impossible to farm?

[potent rune]

The game is not even being balanced around 2 lp is about 1 lp

Which is dumb take but hey

[steady cypress]

the latters make some people still farming and had lp3 items

[wary cedar]

it's the intended way to play 🤓 ☝️

[steady cypress]

while some people thinnk it's impossible

[quartz gust]

That’s down to the individual.

[potent rune]

Yeah they should just get rid of 2 3 and 4 lp items

[quartz gust]

People love chasing big ticket items.

[steady cypress]

when you want to have the best dps/stats, would you farm them? Like that

In grim dawn I don't have to worry about such thing

[potent rune]

Since they are so proud full that even if they know they have to revert imprint nerf they will wait until fall for it

[wary cedar]

i mean i would be fine with that balancing, but if certain builds go one shot uber with lp0 items, and i m having struggle against it with lp3 items because i play a different build, that makes me lowkey not like it

[quartz gust]

Grim Dawn has rare things too.

Honestly I think this all sounds like a personal issue you have tbh.

[wary cedar]

same comment goes for the imprint nerfs lol

it really sucked

[potent rune]

100% they do 0 full testing or unlimited scaling stuff like shurikens or umbrals wouldn't exist like how is it possible to not see that I dont see erasing strike have an idol that adds 4k increase damage

Also mg being being so.much better than cof kinda crap too

[quartz gust]

The imprint nerfs were needed

They were crazy strong

[wary cedar]

they just added gear progression wdym overpowered?

and even if they were to strong, a nerf would be fine, but they straight up killed that shit

[potent rune]

Nah they allowed people to actually try anything and play anything and also to actually not get bored for 7 months leagues

Last epoch dropped gear is crap and with corrupted exalts dropping you get even less gear from the game to slam

Or you think nemesis spam for exalts is a better mechanic

O would have nerfed the chest imprint and buff the other ones so you actually rather map than repeating same map

Game having like less players every league shows they doing something wrong

[wary cedar]

my ideas would be
-- revive imprints
-- make omen drop more usefull stuff (there is nothing you can do with the corrupted gear they drop once you re in lategame)
-- fix idolfarming 0 it's a pain
-- add shatter mechanic for corrupted items (you would still need to corrupt loot to get the affix to need, and play to apply it) - or do anything to make the corruption gamba not that gamba anymore

[wary cedar]

Nemesis was strong last season, this season it's the only way to get good gear in the endgame... reminds me of Tier 0 kinda strenght for certain metas in other games, can't be healty xd

[potent rune]

People dont know how hard it is to craft stuff even with imprints like thy think is an easy free handout like yeah you dont see all the hours invested specially to make a 3 lp item slammed if you think I can just make perfect affixes and slam that on any gear in like a couple hours ,yeah that aint happening

[wary cedar]

FP also fks you... they also addmited that it need retuning, but as you said, they rather wait 7 months for that lol

[potent rune]

No very boring ,and some complained about unclaimed troves like nemesis spam os 100 times more boring meta

[potent rune]

Yeah at this point man I am just gonna put my time into other games like poe 2 cooking too hard,grimd dawn should come out this year with new expansion and Gothic remake is coming in June for me , LE doesn't care about player retention,7 months for what we got is very 🤮

[wary cedar]

maybe we 're just not the target audience anymore

[wary cedar]

i sadly despite poe, i would try out poe2 since it's not a 10+year old game and therefore easier digestible, but the game is optimized like sht 😔

[quartz gust]

Easy and free no but the issue was it made other ways of obtaining gear pretty irrelevant. That’s was the issue. Also it drastically increases the average power of players.

[potent rune]

The other ways are still irrelevant though

[wary cedar]

if only there would be people getting paid to come up with good game mechanics

[potent rune]

I am full specced on exalts and most stuff dropped is crap so yeah keep them if thatd how exalts work for the future I even have the lizards dropping exalts

Imagine making a new mechanic and the exalts dropped cant be used for slamming so all those 2t7 or 3t7 exalts dropped aint slammable or craftable idk who was in charge of that but like with all due respect what were they smoking

[wary cedar]

iT wOuLd bE pOwErCeEP

thats what the devs say at least

[potent rune]

At this point the entire game is power crept even smelter wrath trash can one shot uber

[wary cedar]

but guess what, a certain powercreep when your game is not a TCG is actually just added gear progression 🫣

[potent rune]

Yeah they make choices like omen stuff mobs no giving xp cause they dont want exploit or something,like ok but totally means party play and not much favor gain are present and weaker in this league ,gotta take some risks sometimes

[wary cedar]

mechanics being unbalanced wouldnt even be bad since it's a PvE game

just change it every season

[quartz gust]

I wouldn’t expect much from EHG

They don’t have the best track record

[wary cedar]

i will die high on copium

LE is the only ARPG i had fun playing so far

[quartz gust]

Really?

There are so many great ARPGs

Only ARPG I would say I don't like is D4 personally

Path of Exile is by far my most played though

[steady cypress]

can't help it, event horizon is just too insane and SW is one of the few skills that does not scale with attack speed

[wary cedar]

I really don't like the Skill Gem system in poe

i tried it several times now, but it just cant hook me

[quartz gust]

That's fair, it's a pretty cool system but it can be quite clunky especially in PoE 1.

It was very unique at the time but I think LE achieved something similar that is a bit more restrictive of course but it's not clunky.

[wary cedar]

i might give poe2 a 2nd chance

because it's newer

[quartz gust]

It's a different game

It wouldn't say it's better because it's newer and especially at the moment I would say it isn't better personally

[wary cedar]

ik, would be stupid from me to exact the same when i dont like the first game lol

i m waiting for the free release anyway

[potent rune]

Never played poe 1 for me seems to convoluted but poe 2 I can understand fine ,may 29 new league comes and if you look at what they did is like 3 -4 leagues in 1 in terms of content,progress,crafting,and endgame, would be nice if there performance gets improved but many of us in my cof group are gonna be blasting poe 2

[wary cedar]

performance is my main concern

idk how but the game capped me at 30 fps in towns, on maps it was fine, but thats still annoying, so i refunded, now waiting for the free release xd

[potent rune]

Its not that bad but yeah sometimes it kinda freezes and then it comes back

Fps cap and all that is fine and you know they probably improved some stuff this league as well may 22 patchnotes

[wary cedar]

full release will be end of this year according to what we know

i can wait

[pearl forge]

im actually surprised i didnt bother to farm for corruptions

maybe i try again before new poe2 league and see how fast i can get ubberroth

kinda got tilkted on missing 15 to 20 hits

on wep alone

[flint bough]

Just got this on a completely melee shadow cascade bladedancer 🙂

[kind adder]

I'm waiting for full release so I can play for free

[potent rune]

We are getting release date of grimd dawn expansion very soon, by thr end of May hopefully

[steady cypress]

I'm waiting for too so that I can try fire beastcaller

[potent rune]

I just saw the post on steam so new expansion is huge ,so much stuff to do so many systems evolved

[steady cypress]

also I watched a lot of test builds already

some will be a lot more OP like acid retal DEE

can't wait to try them

[white pecan]

Hey Guys! Can someone please lend me imprints for Shadow Rend build?

[cobalt mantle]

Lend imprints?

[white pecan]

We run troves and if a T7 imprint of armor drops you can gift it to me

Missing armor/armuler/gloves/boots/Relic/Ring/belt LOL

Level 93

[cobalt mantle]

Ah, don't imprint drops have identical gifting properties to the imprinted item? Haven't done much co-op since early online days.

[white pecan]

If it drops for you an dim in map you can send me it

[potent rune]

You can gift whatever it drops,that being said you may not get that affix since imprints have a weird way to work

[white pecan]

I would just like to play with another shadow rend so i can get drops lol

[potent rune]

You can play with anyone that has whatever you want imprinted doesn't need to be shadow rend guy this makes no difference but ysah party play this league is a bit hard to get going

[white pecan]

yeah no one like to party this league

[potent rune]

I am in a cof group and there is no party play after the changes to imprints and the league mechanic so I feel you, so much more boring to do solo stuff

[serene crane]

Ive played acid retal Sentinel... quite a lot of fun too 😄

[steady cypress]

I will try it in 1.3

currently lacking an acid build

[serene crane]

There are few Vilescorn blue gear pieces for like lv30, so its nicely playable for early game... 1.3 hopefully next month, that would be just great 🔥

[glass plaza]

Is there a setting to turn off all the lady grunts when playing rouge that I'm missing lol?

[kind adder]

@flint turret I just saw DarkOmen's melee variant of Rend Cascade... thinking of trying to combine some of the gear from Maxroll and his guide. Am I losing a significant amount of damage with something like that, vs. the throwing cascade setup?

[flint turret]

No not really. Melee has 300% dam eff instead of 200% for throw, but you will lose 2/3 of aoe tho

And you will lose umbral damage entirely too

[kind adder]

I swapped some stuff around for mapping... this is why you gotta tweak the Maxroll builds

I can't believe how much faster this is

[wary cedar]

isnt that why we play rogue?

[kind adder]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bxvjkmd6

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (63) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,319, Regen: 22.6/s
▸ Mana: 243.66, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 48 Dex / 16 Int / 16 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 98% / 81% / 108% / 87% / 124% / 61% / 101%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 535
▸ Dodge Chance: 27% (932)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,183)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 14%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Shadow Cascade / Synchronized Strike / Umbral Blades / Shift

[kind adder]

any input is appreciated

[flint turret]

I think the regular set jormund sword is stronger than this half assed katana

Where is fire shred, why sync and why no cascade or umbrals idols along with recall nodes in umbrals

I don't see armor shred either

And why army of skin on a throwing build

Get razors or charion or whatever maybe

[mellow gyro]

Is multishot playable? It seems quite weak without a lot of gear

[flint turret]

Without shuriken on crit corruption its not good. With them it's one of the best builds there is

[mellow gyro]

Ok ty

[kind adder]

Still haven't gotten any cascade idols 😭 also do I just have to get fire shred from blessing?

[kind adder]

Sync was in darkomen's build, seemed useful for spawning shadows on top of me

[kind adder]

Armor shred in cascade tree I think, and sync tree

[kind adder]

True was mostly just using for the melee attack speed for cascade damage. Razor's def better

[flint turret]

you can get it from traps

[kind adder]

Ahhh... so probably swap sync for traps, or I need to grab the blessing

Sync was mostly there because I move so fast with rend/shift that all my shadows get left behind

And I end up with no cascades around me

[flint turret]

thats why throwing is better, it has much bigger coverage over melee but its still delayed yeah

doesnt matter much here they die, you just sweep through to the objective

[kind adder]

Gotcha, so you think sync is just a wasted slot here, traps for fire res shred is more important?

[flint turret]

both have upsides but in general if i have an option to press less buttons while farming id prefer that

traps dont do much outside of shred, but its automated at least

[kind adder]

Fair

I'll play around with both and see what I like

Can't believe I was using stationary rend to map before 🤦🏼‍♂️

[flint turret]

yeah its pretty terrible compared to a movement one

[kind adder]

Is tabi good for uber?

[quartz gust]

Tabi?

[glass plaza]

I'm good lol.

[kind adder]

Of dusk and dawn

[kind adder]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0VY0lpv

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (63) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,248, Regen: 23.2/s
▸ Mana: 228.44, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 60 Dex / 20 Int / 20 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 71% / 97% / 88% / 121% / 59% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 520
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (1005)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,476)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 14%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Shadow Cascade / Explosive Trap / Umbral Blades / Shift

[kind adder]

The planner after changing based on your suggestions @flint turret besides the idols, what would be an upgrade? I'm guessing gloves need a lot of love, they're pretty shite at the moment

Also what would actually be an upgrade over Jormun's set sword? Like what would a reforged need to look like to be better

I took cold conversion off umbral to spec into recall nodes, since I get the chill chance from explosive trap... is that worth? Also grabbed 2 points in the crit multi per blade, does that work with shift recall umbrals?

[naive saddle]

I haven't played the fire variant, but I suggest looking into targeting corruptions on cheap slots (rings, gloves, dagger) and focusing all your idols on damage. Including the altar.

Are you CoF?

[naive saddle]

Jormun has 2 dead stats for you, so you're looking for a reforged that has 3+ good stats.

Curious, how come you're not using torch for the fire variant?

[serene crane]

Torch is just horrible

[flint turret]

You can just use maxrolled vise with t7 as

+shadows is not THAT important without tabi

I ended up using velocyn instead of jormund, but I guess on sword you would want as+pen+either shred or dodge%

[flint turret]

Yes but you would probably need some way to scale increased damage for umbrals, because neither damage per shadow nor shadow damage apply

Torch is not horrible but you need to have a way to cap crit without sacrificing everything

Honestly it looks pretty good already, the easiest way to upgrade would be idols I guess

And I think you need hooked blades maxed

[naive saddle]

You could also drop umbral

[flint turret]

And how would he sustain mana then

[naive saddle]

Yeah, guess not

[serene crane]

What else would you even take... Smoke Bomb but all the mobs die before you get any blade stacks and boss either dies anyway and uber just phases

[naive saddle]

I mean I'd play a different build 😄

It's hard to constrain to the phantasy without changing the build fundamentally

[mellow gyro]

How good is Hail of Arrows? Don't need guides etc. Just wanna know if I should build around it, or if it's a waste of time

[sturdy bridge]

If you wanna play a meta build just go shadow rend / cascade

Marksman is an outdated mastery

[stable anchor]

HoA is really good, sure it’s not rend but it’s still quite strong, has good options for tankiness and can do all content

[serene crane]

If you're willing to spend enough time gearing it... sure, its okay... or you can make shuriken corruption marksman with whatever bow+quiver with the corruption, stack crit and throw damage and its ezpz life

[stable anchor]

i mean hoa can do uber on 1lp gear without too much difficulty, even 0lp bow/quiver for shuriken is more annoying to farm than any piece for hoa. shurikens does outscale it damage wise, but it’s also reliant upon hitting 2 corruptions to even have a functional build

[serene crane]

It drops more randomly from Omens than when you actually want to hit the corruption by yourself... already good enough start... for sure not a starter build unless its alt

[kind adder]

Yeah was planning to take some concentration passive points and get some more stuff in BD tree. Probably just going to take away everything but the more damage node

[kind adder]

Until I get Vise, was thinking Falcon Fists for the melee as

[flint turret]

its okay too i guess

[kind adder]

first Uber kill LFG

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane man on man 🙁 I never thought my Ignite HS would suck so much. 2000 stacks at ubi, with like 1500 damage each, 80% penetration, I cannot get him to 90% during the first ramp up phase :D. So dissaponting man 🙁

[steady cypress]

what is ignite HS?

[kind adder]

Ignite Heartseeker

[lyric smelt]

can someone share a budget planner for shuriken bow?

[serene crane]

https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-raise-you-to-be-weak-james-all-the-queens-men-s1e10-youre-not-born-to-be-weak-gif-26363123

[steady cypress]

Hmm heartseeker is not good dps build I think

even the cold crit

[serene crane]

Its just well balanced, not something that would insta delete uber or push some meaningless 10-30k corruption 😄

[flint turret]

2000 stacks sounds gigalow for hs

Do you have a planner?

[buoyant roost]

I mean if you want the shuriken stuff then it's not there 😄

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0VY2Zw3

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (35) / Bladedancer (26) / Marksman (52)

General:

▸ Health: 1,881, Regen: 26.6/s
▸ Mana: 243.28, Regen: 10.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 1/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 59 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 45 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 75% / 73% / 105% / 110%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 497
▸ Dodge Chance: 48% (1809)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (860)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 14%

Used skills:

Multishot / Heartseeker / Shurikens / Shift / Smoke Bomb

[buoyant roost]

wait wrong link

[flint turret]

Yeah that was my shuriken ms kekw

[buoyant roost]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0VY2Zw3

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (32) / Marksman (61) / Falconer (12)

General:

▸ Health: 2,735, Regen: 19.3/s
▸ Mana: 221.5, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 37%, Regen: 37/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 22 Dex / 7 Int / 1 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 191% / 32% / 76% / 66% / 15% / 25% / 10%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 957
▸ Dodge Chance: 12% (354)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (659)

Used skills:

Multishot / Heartseeker / Hail of Arrows / Smoke Bomb / Puncture

[buoyant roost]

I had it imported on that build, but copied URL rather then share link 😄

[flint turret]

325% ignite? Bruh

[buoyant roost]

it's more for sure

doont think helmet and relic count?

sorry just helmet in this case

and i'm not sure how the wildfire wisps chance is counted as well

[buoyant roost]

135% additional on helmet

since it's only on "fire" skills

[flint turret]

Bad bow choise I think

[serene crane]

Just go for Hs+Shuriken, its a lot better

[buoyant roost]

ah also, it's not counting all the bleed converted ?

[flint turret]

It should have been drelk and maxed daggers

[buoyant roost]

I don't see Quiver there which has bleed

[flint turret]

Yeah bleed is separate

[buoyant roost]

no. screw that RNG 😐

[serene crane]

0LP with Shuri corru would be like twice as many stacks 😄

[buoyant roost]

maxxed daggers?

[flint turret]

Burning daggers on recurve

They have 100% innate ignite

On top of your ignite

[buoyant roost]

oh. that I have tried, but I'm not sure how to sustain mana

[flint turret]

That's why I said drelk

0 manacost hs

[buoyant roost]

that could work I guess. but I love my gathering 🙁

[flint turret]

Yeah overall looks decent wonder why damage is so low I was expecting it to be much better

[buoyant roost]

Ubi is a beast 😄

normal abby is like cake walk

btw that multi "push" node is not as good as it used to be? it only pushes them once?

I use multi for waveclear mostly, and I thought that node will do good. but don't seem to be working like it used to. and you get like -30% as, which is a lot, not worth it

[buoyant roost]

what can I say, i like to try different stuff and not have a crutch I always have to lean on 😄

[flint turret]

I don't like the mm passives, lots of useless ones like armor shred and arrowstorm

Maybe add elemental arrows for dots? Since you can gain them from puncture anyway

[serene crane]

Well then the dmg will just be lower... 😄 also why not Puncture pop from Hs when you already have Puncture specced? It felt pretty good for map clear

[buoyant roost]

not for dots.

[buoyant roost]

I don't know.... i ignore that part of the tree mostly as I find it useless. It's way too much investment as well

[buoyant roost]

for clear its multishot mostly with HoA, and only using HS for tough ones

[serene crane]

Maybe If next patch wont get anything interesting to BD, I might give a try to armor shred=>poison Hs+Shuri... right now, nothing else sounds that interesting

[buoyant roost]

well at least some uniques will be introduced. hopefully something that can make BD builds interesting. maybe they introduce 2 primordials - that can open up a lot of new possibilities. When were the skill sigils planned?

[serene crane]

Every gear slot should have at least one primordial unique... maybe even two/three for hit/dot/minion in the best case... and conversions on skills/items/idols, maybe even blessings, so tons of new builds could be viable everywhere

They were suppose to be in 1.4 a long time ago I think? Now, who knows... maybe 1.5 but thats just a wild guess

[flint turret]

I think they have their hands full with the dlc/expansion so my guess for skill sigils is after that or along with it

Worst case scenario sigil system will be directly linked to paradox classes

I don't believe it will, but eh

[serene crane]

1,5 should better come with some big update... 1.3 looked like a joke and 1.4 was just half-cooked

[buoyant roost]

hopes are high, but don't think so. some minor system probably and all hoping for the big expension time

[spare granite]

Is there any build Guide for Shadow Rend without the Corrupted Doppelganger Set? Im just Not lucky on getting the ward gain on shadow creation roll on the body armour

[flint turret]

Just use any unique armor like null or wall or elecoe or whatever

You can 100% play any version of rend casacde be it melee or throwing phys or fire without any reforged items

[spare granite]

Awesome ty

[flint turret]

Dunno which one you play but I had a couple of variations like that somewhere without reforgeds

https://youtu.be/Z-Xnsl8EU20?si=QYSSDIcE6TY3b7PR this was one of the better ones

[potent rune]

1.3 was still more enjoyable for me at least loot was good then

1.4 👎

[quartz gust]

I just wish we got more with updates

They take forever and the amount of content hardly justifies the wait.

[flint turret]

I liked 1.4 much more, I don't care one bit about imprint changes, if anything I find it very welcome

It was way to op

[potent rune]

That may be it also why there's fewer players though

Anyway half the people who dont like imprints didn't imprint that much you wouldn't know how hard it is to make 3 lp slamable with imprints sake,since they are so op it should be a given right

[flint turret]

I used imprints for uniques mostly and it was giga op

Tongues raining everywhere

[potent rune]

Yeah but imprint are way way better for exalts than uniques

Without it I just cant slam stuff anymore

[flint turret]

You just slam 7-5-5 and corrupt

And repeat

[potent rune]

Nah I min max

I aint slamming t5s on my 2 lp shattered worlds

[flint turret]

No one cares about 2lp shattered

Everyone wants 1lp with a pinpoint corrupt

Frenzy or crit or whatever

[potent rune]

If your build wants sure

For me a 2 lp is vastly superior corrupt doesn't make every slot better at all

A 2 lp shattered with t7 gives me more damage than a frenzy for erasing

Same way a 3 lp titan hearth is miles ahead than a corrupt one

7 months for this low content meh hopefully they put better stuff or we gonna be having 4druple digit players a league

[flint turret]

I'm glad they are not focusing on players that farm triple t7 titan hearts tbh

You are forgetting that people who farm even regular Abby are already a small minority, Uber Abby is a tiny fraction of players, less than 1%

[potent rune]

Doesn't mean that min max shouldn't exist cause those players hardly play for more than 2 weeks

And having a steady amount of people playing helsp some people to join as well if game looks dead why should I try it.

[flint turret]

I don't get the sentiment really

You can as well argue that you should be able to farm all 4lp items

Since they technically exist

No 4lp items = minmax doesn't exist, no?

From my standpoint of view(more casualish one) ehg mage an alternative way to increase your power beyond 1lp. Instead of farming 2lps and double exalts and gamba it all, we can now farm giga amounts of 1lps and corrupt them, which is much a lesser gamba and much smoother gear progression, since you keep 2lps anyway and progress both ways simultaneously. For that some adjustments to imprints were needed, which also makes sense

[potent rune]

The sentiment is very simple last epoch has 0 deterministic crafting and imprints were the best exalt acquisition in the game by a long shot now that it doesn't do anything,you cant farm exalts to try whatever crazy idea or build you might wanna do i ain't grinding for t5s at 1.0 sure 2 years later we moving past that ,conquered tower spam is way more boring than unclaimed troves spam

[serene crane]

If the build cant work well just with 1LP gear, then... its pretty bad 😄

[flint turret]

The ceiling in general has risen by a lot with corruptions, and yet people argue that minmax is dead, I don't get the logic at all

[potent rune]

Like I can get 300 imprint procs for my 3 lp titan hearth there is no excitement for it since all of that is mostly 2 lp and below and all of it goes to turtle anyway but getting juicy exalts that never gets old

Upgrading exalts its a progression thing to ,that doesn't exist anymore

Either tiers and fp

[flint turret]

It was a terrible concept ngl

[potent rune]

Whole game needs a better concept ngl

Having to depend on imprints to get good exalts is kinda crazy

[flint turret]

Yeah I kinda agree with that. Shurikens on bow corruption is a prime example of crafting system failure

[potent rune]

There is a reason why we have fewer players than in 1.3 so hopefully 1.5 is a blast anyway time to read poe 2 gigantic patchnotes

[flint turret]

and it aint the imprint nerf im 99% sure of that, because 95%+ of players dont care about it at all, they dont even get to it

[serene crane]

Updates just should be as good as 1.2 and even more polished with better QoL... not release something that has X times less half-finished content and fixing known bugs 1 motnhs after the patch drops...

[potent rune]

You may think that but a good amount of people just dont play because it

I for sure aint and neither of the 15 people on my cof group

[flint turret]

a "good" amount of already a 5% fraction is negligible

if you think the majority of players are group minmax farmers you couldnt be more wrong on both parts

[potent rune]

I mean we are all wrong if we think 1lp should be meta

[flint turret]

im all for it tbh

[potent rune]

You reach empowered and you are already min max to the crisp

[flint turret]

and im not even close to a majority of casuals

[potent rune]

For casual gaming I can just go play d4

[flint turret]

thats what stats already show

most of players dont reach empowereds

if im not mistaken only 30% reach empowereds

[potent rune]

Very few do aberroth even less do uber

[flint turret]

yeah

thats why player numbers have nothing to do with imprint changes

[potent rune]

But you know LE supposed to be for both to a point ,when there is nothing for one branch thats not the point anymore

You gotta be realistic everything has an impact on player retention

And having no really good exalts its 1

[flint turret]

i agree with this entirely, and thats why we got corruptions which benefits both

[potent rune]

It took a guy 44 corruption to get frenzy on relic i dont think thats benefiting anybody chief

[flint turret]

imprint changes is simply a power creep mitigation attempt

[potent rune]

Shattered relic btw

[flint turret]

why not? it benefits him for sure if hes that commited to it, and this is exactky the player retention and minmax which doesnt exist in your words

[potent rune]

He aint engaged you can ask him lol he saw almost no gain after all ,I tried multiple builds same for people I played with same for him ,this league no thanks have 2 and call it a day

Ty god my build doesn't revolve around idols cause I would loose it having to spam more veils and fractured prison

[flint turret]

i cant say i enjoyed getting shurikens on 1lp drelkors as well, thats why i said corruptions ofc has big flaws, but it being a first timer its understandable. As a concept its pretty good

[flint turret]

yeah the disparity for cof amd mg this season is frustrating ngl

for idols and corruptions

if nothing changes drastically ill go for mg for the first time seriously next season

[potent rune]

Mg having access to both makes sense but I dont like how cof felt this league

[flint turret]

even tho i really dont wanna do mg at all

[spare granite]

@flint turret ty

[potent rune]

When mg players are complaining more about julra cutcenes than other stuff I can see how good they have it lol

[flint turret]

this season i killed more julras than in all the previous time combined im pretty sure

and farmed more favor

first season i had to resort to rune prison abuse farming also

it was a new experince but not the one i would like to repeat

[buoyant roost]

powercreep though is mostly in skills/ passives. I think out of anything we need all the skills up to date.

[quartz gust]

Really? That’s low

[serene crane]

For rogue is mostly just Rend... Cascade is strong and Umbrals is just uncapped on like two places, but overall we got corruptions where some weapon corruptions can be huge and altars where some %inc effect of affixes is huge 😄

[potent rune]

Rogue also has the advantage of having extremely low roll rng based idols like idk going from 15 to 45 increase its nothing or 4 to 8 for umbrals meanwhile my vk needs 150 and 90 from a 40 to 150 and a 30 to 90 roll kinda bs if you ask me

[serene crane]

Yea I noticed that too when I rolled sentinel for a bit 😄

And then grind those high rolls on omen idols... GLHF

[buoyant roost]

shall we talk more about flurry/cinder, dark quiver and few others 😄

[buoyant roost]

and then corrupt 😄

[serene crane]

Yeah, a lot of stuff need some big work

[serene crane]

Well omen ones are already the corrupted ones... tbh corrupts on normal idols could use something better, legit 50% of my corrupted idols ended up with the shitty bee corruptions

[pearl forge]

me after missing 27 corruptiuons on my weapon

yea

new system ayaya

[naive saddle]

Corruptions are very useful to max out those pesky rolls. Can rescue quite a bit of the bad drops

[buoyant roost]

Corruptions is very good for LP1 items. And if you hit max rolls on corruptions, that is a very good feeling. But most of the time it's either a "meh" or "screw this" 😄

[kind adder]

this is kinda funny... increased DoT taken kinda sucks tho

[serene crane]

And max rolled even 💀

[kind adder]

Fr

[spare granite]

is there any strong marksman for high corruption?

[kind adder]

The best MM build this season relies on hitting the shuriken cast corruption on both Bow and Quiver and is extremely difficult to achieve. Most other marksman builds are going to be able to do higher corruptions but probably not very fast and probably with lots of oneshots

[spare granite]

i only have the roll on my quiver si it still enough?

[serene crane]

Its fine If you get high crit chance and high bow speed

[spare granite]

i got it

on my bow right now

[kind adder]

Yeah probably fine if you're running multishot to proc the shurikens. You'll need throwing damage everywhere you can get it as well

[spare granite]

im on it and i got the roll on the bow like 10 minutes ago 😉

[kind adder]

What bow? Link your planner?

[wary cedar]

dont be so greedy

[kind adder]

[dense sparrow]

Are you still playing Last Epoch? huh

[frank pine]

uu brother

hellooo

@dense sparrow my brother check pw

[dense sparrow]

aha hello my bro ok ok

chris wilson trolling last epoch:)))

i said before than. devs dont know this game. and now the game dead.....

whatever good by

[spare granite]

is the cast shuriken on crit with heartseeker instead of Multishot just using a different bow?

rest gear is the same?

[spare granite]

how does the exploding ballista build works?

[kind adder]

Heartseeker is way less hits than multishot so you're getting way less shurikens. Definitely better to go multishot. And no I think you would still use drelkor's with heartseeker.

[kind adder]

There's probably a YouTube guide somewhere, I'd try looking there first

[simple adder]

anyone wanna run through the campaign with me?

[sleek bane]

two questions about Shadow Rend BD

• why is the "increased fire damage over time" affix on Firestarter better than an item that can boost Crit Multiplier?
• how come this build doesnt run Liraka gloves with "throwing critical strike multiplier"?

[naive saddle]

Are you sure you didn't get something mixed up?

[inner musk]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qdz2bP71 why so much cold res?

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (68) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,198, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 223.9, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 68%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 34 Str / 181 Dex / 34 Int / 49 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 536% / 78% / -144% / 49% / 41% / 62%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 346
▸ Dodge Chance: 22% (729)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 6% (132)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Puncture / Decoy / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker

[inner musk]

oo thanks

[buoyant roost]

the firestarter is for more fire damage

[buoyant roost]

[thin quartz]

is this like.. zhp cold heartseeker?

[inner musk]

i am not sure i found this so i am making til

it*

[serene crane]

Defenses are just dps loss

[kind adder]

Maxroll uses firestarter for the "42% more fire damage to enemies inflicted with spreading flames" but that's really only recommended if you have crit chance taken care of. Otherwise, run a sword or dagger with flat crit and melee AS or sometbing

Katana is good for the implicit crit multi

[brisk plover]

Any tips for playing Flurry with Marksman? I’m new, I’ve only been playing for a week and I’m level 77.

[thin quartz]

yeah you wont be able to go pass corruption 100 with that defense in the first place to grind for those items.
edit: correction, you'll just keep dying over and over and over and... over.

[kind adder]

Flurry is generally a pretty weak skill, mostly just used as a mana generator. If you do want to try it, Trikster has a video from Season 2 where he made a melee flurry version. But Marksman Flurry is pretty underwhelming. I guess if I had to give tips I'd say use like reign of winter or dragonsong for their skill procs since flurry has decent attack speed and hits a lot.

But at that point you're better off playing heartseeker with reign of winter.

[brisk plover]

✍️

thx

[potent rune]

I have seen a flurry destroying uber but I think that set up is for bossing no mapping

[brisk plover]

I’ve been playing Flurry as my main source of damage lately, and I’m absolutely smurfing level 90 echoes. I think it probably falls off in true late game though. I’ll see if I can pivot to Heartseeker later on.

[potent rune]

Flurry definitely has damage and more modifiers ,hearthseeker has good clear but bossing aint the best

[kind adder]

Nah flurry single target is fine, but clear is really really bad in empowered monos. Maybe I built it wrong for marksman but I don't think there's a way to make it viable as a main damage skill in mid-high corruption.

[brisk plover]

Multishot is doing great 🙏

[kind adder]

Multishot good 👍

[sleek bane]

trying to get "+ throwing damage" on my idols with the weaver enchant, but seems like it's either super rare or im doing it wrong

[cobalt mantle]

There's no way to do it wrong, assuming you're using the right idol shape. There's no +throwing damage Weaver enchant though, so that would make it seem pretty rare - unless you are meaning the 2x2 idol % throwing damage enchant or the 4x1/1x4 idol minion +throwing damage enchant, both of which are "common" (just no reduced chance to appear).

[sleek bane]

ah i see, is the only way to get "+throwing damage" is to corrupt it?

[cobalt mantle]

There is a +throwing damage corruption for 4x1/1x4 idols (which means it can also be the corrupted affix on 3x1/1x3 omen idols).
It's also a Weaver affix on the 2x1 Weaver idols, but assuming you were trying to get it on class idols so that won't help.

[wooden lava]

Last I saw, Multishot was doing mediocre unless they buffed it in the last month or two

[inner musk]

i am at

469 corruption what you talking about

that guy is at 7k corruption

[potent rune]

Single target of flurry is bonkers like it makes uber a joke in 1.3

[kind adder]

On BD or MM? I haven't seen anything about it in 1.4

Though they didn't change a thing about it I don't think so if it was nuking last season it probably still is

[potent rune]

Marksman build bow

The guy had like mid gear nothing special ,so with the flat corruption or full corruption should be even more ez bosses

[brisk plover]

Flurry is so funny to play

so relaxing to melt bosses like butter yk.

[kind adder]

Damn that's crazy. Do you remember if it was a YouTube vid or written guide or something? Would love to take a look at it

[kind adder]

How are you playing it right now? Any particular item you feel makes it do damage?

[brisk plover]

Full crit multiplier/flat dmg/ atkspd

[kind adder]

Could you import your char into LETools? Really interested in your setup. Flurry has always been something I've wanted to make work

[brisk plover]

And there’s one item that’s absolutely core for my build: there’s a ring that makes every third Flurry hit always crit, so I stopped focusing on crit chance % and instead stack crit multiplier, combined with the Flurry node:

1st and 2nd hits deal 25% less damage, but the 3rd hit deals +75% damage.

Inever used that tool before haha, but I think I can give it a try

Quicksilver Coil

[kind adder]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

Hit import, put your account name and character name in, then hit save on the left

Then paste the link in here

That will pull all your current gear into the planner and then you can post it here

Pretty cool tool

[potent rune]

YouTube video

[brisk plover]

It says character not found 😭

[kind adder]

Its case sensitive, make sure you got caps and everything. Also make sure you use your steam account name and then the actual in game name of your character

[brisk plover]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bjqx0aKO

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 77

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (1) / Marksman (69)

General:

▸ Health: 1,070, Regen: 43.12/s
▸ Mana: 266.25, Regen: 13.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 19 Dex / 2 Int / 9 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 115% / 83% / 161% / 11% / 31% / 108% / 72%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 214
▸ Dodge Chance: 17% (437)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 11% (201)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 126%

Used skills:

Flurry / Shift / Multishot / Decoy / Hail of Arrows

[brisk plover]

there we go

[wary cedar]

i dont even know how channeled flurry looks ingame lol

[buoyant roost]

🎇

[spare granite]

are there any good explo trap or acid flask builds?

[kind adder]

Ohhh you're on channeled flurry

Yeah that thing wipes low level bosses

Not sure how it looks on high corruption bosses but apparently it can take down uberroth so must be hella damage

[spare granite]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Hema_/character/S4hema
is that build any good ?

and is the defence correctly calculated?

[brisk plover]

Yeah there's a lot of things to improve but it feels good

[brisk plover]

like a minigun haha

[kind adder]

Seems pretty great to me. Basic cold heartseeker stuff.

[spare granite]

im just curious about the defence but somehow he reached over 8 k corruption

[kind adder]

Probably because it's zhp so damage is giga

And heartseeker you can just hang back and not get hit by anything

Probably still dies a lot though

[spare granite]

yeah thats what i was guessing i try to get higher in corruption and farm corruption Runes

im currently at 1200 corruption

but im just not sure to follow the guide i dont wanna run around and be 1 shot at every corner

but i guess its about beeing in the distance and to make every enemie Slower due to chill and freeze i dont how he else manages to reach 8k corruption

[stable anchor]

they have almost 3k deaths so yeah looks like typical zhp corpse rush corruption forcing

[brisk plover]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owL8NYW8 now it looks better

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 81

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (4) / Marksman (70)

General:

▸ Health: 1,385, Regen: 46.64/s
▸ Mana: 269.89, Regen: 19.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 44 Dex / 2 Int / 9 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 119% / 41% / 145% / 89% / 82% / 76% / 150%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 277
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (515)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (467)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 12%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Flurry / Shift / Multishot / Decoy / Hail of Arrows

[flint turret]

are you sure runes of corruption are affected by corr at all? i think i was getting rougly the same amount farming omen veils on 100 and 1000+

[flint turret]

if you want somewhat safe MM corr climbing experience then its just multishot with shurikens and soulgambler

[cobalt mantle]

According to Tunklab, yes it scales with rarity, but only very slightly, scaling from ~112% at 100c and capping at 120%

[flint turret]

thats basically nothing

[serene crane]

Its the copium %

[potent rune]

If you grind omen veil and new boss you should have like infinite runes for the rest of the league

[spare granite]

@flint turret yeah i need something safe to play

[wooden lava]

Why does detonating arrow suck so bad? The tooltip says 118k dps/s (low, I know), but the actual results seem way lower than that

[potent rune]

Because detonating has been trash for a really long time and since devs keep destroying every single mechanic that it can do its best to avoid the pain and pick something else

From the daggers ,to explosive trap interaction,to one shot mana stacker , detonating arrow cant be good

[kind adder]

It suffers from being a marksman skill

Lol in all seriousness it just doesn't have the support that other marksman or rogue skills have. Its unique makes it a melee weapon that takes away all of the bow passives you need to make marksman skills good. It's just awkward, and yeah been nerfed a ton

[kind adder]

Btw "dps/s" is redundant

[potent rune]

Ehg just doesn't like it why kill explosive trap detonating arrow

[cobalt mantle]

Unless it's accelerating damage

[half nova]

Nah he's just into dp

[wary cedar]

DamagePerSecond/Second

[naive saddle]

That's dps acceleration!

[buoyant roost]

still better than your cold HS

[pearl forge]

you can play detonating as a flow combo skill and it will do fine i think

last i checked you have lots of %more you can slam onto it

what i never looked into is black quiver/arrow is it ever good?

or just a support skill

[cobalt mantle]

It's strictly a support skill, you can't use the arrows without using a different skill

[kind adder]

Is Bow Shadow Rend a thing without multishot? Like just using the hidden strength node?

Lightning Bow Rend sounds cool but the bow version of Rend is so damn slow

[noble jay]

guess who dropped this in a monolith lol

[slender grail]

hey guys. i was hoping someone could help me out. I am bulding the Shadow Cascade build. and went from the leveling build on maxroll to switch over to the SC build but it's left me incredibly weak. I cant clear a lot at all. and no longer have the gear to go back. Is there a way to fix this or to get me closer to clearing end game maps or am i doomed to start over?

[flint turret]

share a current planner and what are you aiming for

[slender grail]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shadow-cascade-bladedancer-guide

this is the build im aiming for and im not sure how to get my current planner

[slender grail]

not sure how to share current planner

[flint turret]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/
import - save - share link

[slender grail]

nvm im dumb lol here ya go. plz dont judge haha
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6PJqPyX

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 65

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (53) / Marksman (5)

General:

▸ Health: 972, Regen: 21.18/s
▸ Mana: 101.83, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 28 Dex / 2 Int / 5 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 41% / 0% / 0% / 71% / 9% / 86% / 28%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 194
▸ Dodge Chance: 15% (314)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (370)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 42%

Used skills:

Synchronized Strike / Shadow Cascade / Shift / Umbral Blades / Dancing Strikes

[kind adder]

Well for one thing you switched too early. Maxroll will always tell you to wait till level 70 at the earliest to switch to their endgame guides.

And yeah... I mean you're missing a lot of gear. Why exactly can't you swap back to the leveling build?

[slender grail]

idk. i guess i can bounce back. so i go 5 more levels then switch?

or do i go until i have the gear? the leveling build wasnt exactly strong either to be clearing end game tho

[kind adder]

You need to go back, you don't have the gear or skill points to support that shadow cascade build. Honestly, you can swap to shurikens and self cast and be just fine clearing regular monoliths until you get some starter gear.

[slender grail]

happen to have a build for the shuriken?

[kind adder]

There's one on Maxroll. Try that and if it works, great. If not, post your planner again and we can give some tips

[slender grail]

thank you.

[kind adder]

Sure thing 🫡

[flint turret]

cascade works perfectly fine since the start tbh

[flint turret]

you can stay as cascade but i would recommend swapping to rend cascade with umbrals recall for mana. you need to have throw conversion on cascade and at least t5 throw affixes where possible (ammy, belt, relic, gloves, rings)

swap sync to rend and dancing to smoke

and remove this since ytou dont have any crit for now

getting either tongue or doppel relic or both will solve crit togetehr with weapons of choise and rogue passive

[kind adder]

That's true, rend cascade is easier to sustain with umbral recall. Not as gear dependent but definitely becomes a powerhouse once you get doppelgänger set

[slender grail]

bro, i gotta be honest with you. i dont have a single clue what rend cascade, t5 affixes are. I feel like im just going to have to delete this character and restart lol. i followed a guide, so i think i screwed myself by not really learning

[flint turret]

you dont have to its fine

have you used forge for once? you can add affixes to gear there if you have shards

basically just put throwing flat damage on all pieces and upgrade them

rend is a skill for which you better swap

you just spam rend and trigger cascade

and you gain mana back from shift umbral recall

[slender grail]

rend, to me, is a tricky skill to use

you have to be so far distance from the enemy and you have to be facing a certain way for the skill to go in that direction

[slender grail]

do you have a build i can use?

[flint turret]

It literally doesn't matter

You move with it and everything around dies from throwing cascade

[flint turret]

Use your build but swap dancing to rend and sync to smoke, that's it

And get throwing conversion in cascade

[buoyant roost]

was tehre any really good dancing strike this season btw

[kind adder]

Shurikens, but kinda just worse than regular shurikens or bladestorm shuri because of the forced movement

I started on DS shuri, but swapped to bladestorm lightning shuri cause damage was better

I am however trying to gear a burning daggers DS bladedancer... copium