🔪┃rogue

[serene crane]

The biggest downside is its just locked behind the bow/quiver corruption... you can get lucky and get some decent exalted/unique bow from Omens or just use Corruption runes on 0LP bows, but thats still luck... but it has honestly a lot of build variety

[wary cedar]

uWu

[kind adder]

@wary cedar my best helm yet

time to corrupt

ah damn im out of runes lmao

[wary cedar]

maybe get a spellblade character and give the gear to that character

[serene crane]

So much cold melee DA hate...

[kind adder]

Rogue helm tho 😭

[serene crane]

Well you can get strength on helmet for spellblade too, so should be easy enough to get again

[kind adder]

I've killed a brazillion mages and still no rune prison complex 😭😭😭

I have a lvl 100 and lvl 92 char... how is that even possible

[kind adder]

@wary cedar not bad for the gloves either

now im out of havocs too sadge

[flint bough]

got 8k corruption finally

[spare granite]

@kind adder on your bd shuriken yo usaid umbral blades is wrong right?

[spare granite]

@kind adder btw the build is awesome

[naive saddle]

Nice

[flint bough]

also not using shadow rend

[kind adder]

Yeah I mean you can put it there I guess, and have your shadows drop it from your smoke bomb and shift, but it's not really a big damage boost or anything, probably would just be utility. Tbh I don't really like sync strike there, but Maxroll guys seem to think it should be the 5th spec 🤷🏼‍♂️

[kind adder]

Glad you like it! How's the gear going?

[kind adder]

Also if you find yourself too squishy for smooth gameplay, I'd probably spec decoy there for some extra survivability and breathing room

[broken barn]

What's my next upgrade?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Deafening/character/Immortal_XIII

[cosmic charm]

@broken barndrop the worthless weapon, craft a katana, better base on helmet/chest, craft a relic, craft a ring, you are not even close of being geared, 3 blessings are wrong, shadow rend, umbral blades. smoke bomb, 1 from cascade, 2 from trap have wrong nodes selected..

wrong passives also

@broken barnyour build is not functioning properly.

wrong idols and altar

[broken barn]

Wow if its that bad can you share me a link to the correct build?

[cosmic charm]

check my profile on ladder. Rathik

@broken barnhttps://www.lastepochtools.com/ladders/

@broken barnYou can find crafting guides on my channel
https://www.youtube.com/@Kavlantis

[flint turret]

wh yare you saying idols are wrong tho is if its a recall umbral build and not cascade

and why does he need a katana

[cosmic charm]

@flint turretIts the same build, cascade idols for clear, umbral blades idols when you doing group uber. You don't even need the umbral idols when soloing uber and you are never casting umbral blades when clearing echoes. Normal uber dies in less than 0.5 seconds with just shadow rend.

Katana has explicit crit multi and the set affix adds 60% crit multi and you also get +1 skills.

[rugged pollen]

lmao

i took a look at the ladder

[flint turret]

but what if he gets a weaver set ring instead

[cosmic charm]

those are just low lvl toons of WGWG that he used a confluence of Oblivion, he is not happy with this patch it seems 🙂

@flint turrethe can get what ever he wants. no one is stopping him

[flint turret]

i mean how katana is better than weaver set ring

multi is negligible, it scales from the amount of umbrals, which scale with AS

and katana has lower base speed than scissor on top of less AS affixes

or rather i should have said no additional AS affix

[cosmic charm]

@flint turretk

[broken barn]

Im so confused now. Anyone else want to offer input? Scissors of Atropos + Weaver Set Ring or Katana?

[flint turret]

up to you bro, depends on how you play it, same with idols

i was using velocyn dagger instead of primo ring and it worked great too

[broken barn]

Im playing it the way I saw on Perra Gaming. Not sure if thats the standard way or not.

[flint turret]

i have no idea what it is tbh

id say you need to decide first are you relying on recall umbrals for main damage or is it cascade, then you move along with it

[broken barn]

Cascade for monos and umbral for uberroth

[flint turret]

cascade needs some decent +levels

at least 27 points for throwing

25 can work but you will lose a lot of aoe range

[broken barn]

Do I need more attack speed or more crit multi?

[flint turret]

im in favor of AS tbh, both umbrals and cascade double or triple dips on it

[lyric smelt]

am having tons of fun with synch cascade

best build this ss

[flint turret]

whats the upsides over rend cascade? i played both but im interested in hearing your take

[potent rune]

It takes longer to kill anything

[lyric smelt]

1. better fps
2. synch requires more fingers

[flint turret]

fps is alright without fire conversion

second one is not really an upside, but fair enough

[serene crane]

Hopefully 1.5 brings some interesting poison unique that isnt just "yo here is some poison chance and poison duration. Bye bye now!"

[naive saddle]

The katana

[wraith nacelle]

I’m kind of hoping the tick rate for DoTs can be increased some how in the future . It feels like you can apply a ton of Dots but still have to wait a good bit for the damage to actually come through

[wary cedar]

DoT Attack Speed

[naive saddle]

[serene crane]

Theres the unique axe that makes Bleed tick faster or often its just nice to take Puncture that consumes all the bleed stacks to deal all damage at once... Sentinel has similar thing with Anomaly, idk what else 😄

[naive saddle]

SPellblade as well with Enchant Weapon

[flint turret]

as much as i like dots in poe1, which also have their flaws, i dont feel like LE can do them nerly as good without actually working proliferation tech

embers and bleed gloves are mostly a joke in terms of prolif

[serene crane]

Ive only played ED+Cont in poe1... I did some bleed+poison builds in poe2, but the fact its locked behind big hits there is such a turn off

[flint turret]

ant its not an easy taks to do either, i get it, because LE relies on the number of stacks rather than 1 big hit to prolif

[serene crane]

I just dont get how poison doesnt have any good prolif unique or something... maybe acolyte has something for that, but nothing in general sucks 😄

[pearl forge]

i always wondered if the puncture 1 shot was intended

but i never built dot so i didnt care that much

[flint turret]

hey at least the prolif feels wonderful with big hits. Throw in a enemy explodes on death and you have a chain reaction of prolif which clears wthe whole blight line on the map

or the whole timeless realm

[serene crane]

Yea but it was mostly building big crit hits.. sure it worked well, it just felt weird 😄 I was playing ritualist with spear and the poison aura that applied bleed and bleed aura that was applying poison so it kinda chained together and did screen clear... was fun 😄

[flint turret]

i was doing mostly self-cooked ignite arc if you wanna see it i can dm. I just liked the arc mechanics and the fact that almost no one played it becasue its considered pretty weak

[serene crane]

Ember amulet is kinda cool, I enjoyed fire Heartseeker with Maehlin... but overall it could be more fun If a lot other skills had some fire convert 😄

[flint turret]

ember is still not good enough sadly

it needs to transfer all stacks to nearby enemies upon target death imo

[serene crane]

I think Ive seen something with ignite arc 🤔 I just wasnt that much interested in spellcasters, other than the djinn sorc and Hexblast demon form before all the nerfs

[serene crane]

Spreading all the stacks twice per second is nice enough I think, but only to one target is a bit meh? And the whisp repeat chance is like 1/10 or 1/9 so it just forces you to use fast attacks... like If you could convert LM to fire, that would most likely suck with the low chance 😄

But Jesse recently posted a clip with Explo Trap Blast Rain and the Shuriken corruption... might be funny with Ember 😄

[flint turret]

sadly they nerfed DA trigger to 5\s

if they didnt it would have been good

[naive saddle]

But we do have prolif tech. They're just lazy to add it to all classes.

[kind adder]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qb6rWk6W

[sharp raven]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Spellblade (68)

General:

▸ Health: 2,287, Regen: 2,501.73/s
▸ Mana: 201.47, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 379%, Regen: 283/s
▸ Attributes: 154 Str / 57 Dex / 154 Int / 29 Att / 73 Vit
▸ Resistances: 63% / 79% / 63% / 73% / 65% / 100% / 140%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,025
▸ Dodge Chance: 13% (407)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (627)

Used skills:

None

[kind adder]

@wary cedar did i cook

oh wait LOL

i forgot the skills

xd

[wary cedar]

its just gonna be the same setup just with shatter strike

and for that you need something for mana sustain

and mana strike just sucks imo

every mana gain spell sucks

tbf

[serene crane]

Its just roating between Shatter Strike and Mana Strike, you already stack attacks speed so its fine

[kind adder]

I actually really like the shatter strike + mana strike loop

[wary cedar]

mana strike range sucks

[kind adder]

You just hold down left click and right click and you never worry about mana

[wary cedar]

concept of spells that just exist for mana sustain sucks

[kind adder]

And you deal insane damage

I don't have the crazy ward that rogue planner does cause I have to use the nib for damage... although I could see how damage is without it

There's also some tech with glacier auto cast from shatter strike doing mana restore but I haven't looked into that too much

[serene crane]

should be good enough for mana tbh 😄

[wary cedar]

concept still sucks

boooooo

[serene crane]

So far its insane how Shuriken damage is galaxies ahead of Shatter Strike... 😄

[kind adder]

Wdym? Like just the normal bladestorm shuri build vs. regular shatter strike?

[serene crane]

No, just normal shuriken's blade shield, even self cast... a bit of throw damage here and there and its shredding literally anything during the campaign... meanwhile Shatter seems to need a lot of buffs over the place to pull some damage up 🤔

Could just be Blade Shield doing dumb a lot of damage and me delulu talking, but it just seems like it... 😄

[kind adder]

This is during campaign? SS gets a lot of damage from uniques so that could be it

Specifically the Nib

I think their damage is probably somewhat similar in endgame, but shurikens does probably have the edge

[serene crane]

Yea I still need few more lvls for Nib 😄 I was originally planning on lightning one, but Nib looks too good to pass on

[kind adder]

Yeah it's wayyy too good. Also mourningfrost goes crazy.

[broken barn]

What's a good suffix to shoot for on the katana for shadow rend other than phys pen? Armor shred? Frailty? A specific ailment?

[serene crane]

attack speed; crit multi; phys pen; blind/armor shred; sealed Jormun

[broken barn]

Is capping crit avoidance necessary? It looks like most builds on the ladder dont have it capped. Unless its one of those stats that aren't reflected accurately?

[serene crane]

If you have Blind on hit, then you pretty much cover entire screen with Rend and Cascade so you dont need havint crit avo capped

[broken barn]

Ok gotcha. Thanks!

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olVxxYd3

[sharp raven]

Primalist, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

None

General:

▸ Health: 1,112, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 106.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 3 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 2% / 2%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 222

Used skills:

None

[broken barn]

So that would be the ideal sword to craft right?

[serene crane]

Pretty much, what matters is attack speed, armor shred should already be good from Hooked Blades

[broken barn]

Cool thanks again. That's what ill try to craft

Also how do we know when we are crit capped for this build? Considering we get some crit chance from skill nodes or other effects that do not show up on the character sheet, correct?

[mellow gyro]

Did they remove shared crit multi from adorned 2x2 idols?

cant find it in the filter

but found it on lastepoch tools build planner

Nvm I had accidentally unchecked adorned

[tame pendant]

How do these shadow rend builds work exactly? Does shadow rend somehow proc all the other abilities?

[tame pendant]

Also why do these marksman builds get shuriken and throwing dmg? I don't see anything that procs shurikens on multishot or heartseeker?

[silent relic]

I miss blast rain being playable 🙁

[plush maple]

Chance to cast Shuriken on Bow Crit: https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AJwNhQ

[flint turret]

Have you tried looking in the rend tree? Or reading any guides?

[cosmic charm]

@tame pendant

@tame pendant

[tame pendant]

What about umbral blades though

[cosmic charm]

@tame pendant

[tame pendant]

oh okay i didnt see that one, i did see the shadow cascade stuff when i looked. Thanks Rathik

[cosmic charm]

@tame pendantcheck my channel for a guide/profile

[tame pendant]

YT channel?

[cosmic charm]

yes, Rathik

[cosmic charm]

finally got rank 3

[flint bough]

is the weaver amulet still bugged if i shatter it and add the affix onto an exalted item?

[potent rune]

Weaver set is still bugged

And it may be until season 5

[flint bough]

weird

[potent rune]

Its not the item itself,is that the bonus is bugged ,100% guarantee very low if no testing was done to this cause its pretty wild how it works

[broken barn]

Ok i finally upgraded my sword for my shadow rend build. What's the next most important item to upgrade?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Deafening/character/Immortal_XIII

[cosmic charm]

@broken barnsec

@broken barn-5 mana cost on unique ring is CORE, you need that.
Look at my profile and try to copy it as best as you can.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Rathik/character/Lariani

And take a minute to read what the items/skills/passives do, so you can understand the synergies behind the build.

@broken barnIf you don't have a large idol omen with cascade damage, go with this altar so you can put 4 cascade idols.
1% cascade damage on idols = 13% increase damage
Then you multiply that by your altar increased prefixes.
so by adding 1 more huge idol at 28% cascade dmg that is 28 * 13 = 364% increased dmg * altar prefix

[broken barn]

Sweet thanks! Ill go for the ring and idol next. This build is designed to be played constantly inside the smoke bomb correct?

[cosmic charm]

@broken barnAlso your blessings are wrong, you are missing 50% more dmg and 100% increase dmg

fix blessings first, just talk to the npc, or go farm them

[broken barn]

Ok i will look at your blessings too

[cosmic charm]

look at everything skills/passives etc

[broken barn]

I was wondering why we are converging shadow rend to poison?

[cosmic charm]

converting?? we don't

are you talking about this?

[broken barn]

Yes

[cosmic charm]

I mean the tooltip is pretty clear

[broken barn]

Right but isnt more bleed better with the sword?

Not quite sure how everything interacts

[cosmic charm]

That is because you don't bother to read the tooltips.
That only effect shadow rend.
You have enough bleed on passives to get to 200 stacks.
Rend gets up to 30% more dmg per stack of poison on target.

drop a point from Heavy Shadows and add it to Intensity

[broken barn]

I read them i just have a hard time keeping all the information from every node in my head at once.

[cosmic charm]

Also note that I have +1 skill on chest.

[broken barn]

Ok

[cosmic charm]

for the amulet, its best to go LP2 and try to get +1 skills or Rampany or something DPS like.
The build ignores all defenses except dodge. You are capping out with dusk shrouds anyway.

[broken barn]

Like I dont understand how to add up all my crit chance correctly

Because I dont think the character sheet takes it all into account?

[cosmic charm]

@broken barncheck your PMs

[marble zealot]

@cosmic charm this node is just pure -6% less damage

[cosmic charm]

3% less attack for 12% more. Not worth it you think?

[marble zealot]

nope, SR itself is like 1/100 your damage

[cosmic charm]

i know that

I guess shadow daggers from more hits then. nothing really else to take

[marble zealot]

i took off the %more and took blind for crit immune

[cosmic charm]

doesnt matter if get crit or not, I always die at 30k corruption

[marble zealot]

ye but rather that than -6% damage

might aswell just take nothing

[cosmic charm]

4/4 on bleed so the weapon set afix activates faster is the best option that I see

[flint turret]

Can you elaborate why -5 mana on the ring is core(outside of giving flat damage), why 1% cascade damage on idols equals 13% inc and what blessing gives 50% more damage? My math is not mathing

[cosmic charm]

@flint turretallows you to cast rend way more often outside smoke bomb and +throwing dmg

[flint turret]

Why would you ever cast cascade manually tho

[cosmic charm]

i ment rend

[flint turret]

Rend is not throwing skill

[cosmic charm]

cascade is

[flint turret]

But you don't cast it

For flat damage I perfectly get it, but mana has nothing to do with it unless you manually press cascade

[cosmic charm]

26 throwing dmg, and lowers the cost of umbral blades when performing combo and on shade, believe me, since you are forced to move all the time, you run out of mana and when you jump in to cast combo, it helps

[flint turret]

Umbral blades have manacost only for the first throw, the rest is 0 mana anyway

[cosmic charm]

if you don;t want the dmg, go with something else

to me its core

[flint turret]

For flat yes, but for mana I still don't get it

How it changes anything

[cosmic charm]

its bundle together, you get both effects, you said mana cost on umbral blades don't matter, I disagree. happened many times I saw an opening for a combo and didn't had the mana to cast it.

[flint turret]

What's your rotation of skills that can use that -5 mana?

[cosmic charm]

the rotation is what ever the shade allows me to perform.

not now cause I passed 16300 corruption, but before, it matters

[flint turret]

Okay, whatever, maybe the other 2 questions about cascade idols and 50% more damage will go better?

[cosmic charm]

What is you recommendation to replace the T7 on the rings?

[flint turret]

Flat

But not because of mana

[cosmic charm]

so we are talking about the same affix?

[flint turret]

Like I said I'm not disagreeing with you I just wanted to know why you emphasize -mana instead of flat

Yes

[cosmic charm]

poor choice of words, that how I remember that affix

[flint turret]

So what about idols and blessings

How did you get 13% and 50%

[cosmic charm]

read the prefix on idols

[flint turret]

why? you said THEN multiply it by prefix

[cosmic charm]

copy paste the msg you are talking about

in english

[cosmic charm]

whats the confusing part?

[flint turret]

how do you get 13 without prefixes

[cosmic charm]

13 has nothing to do with prefixes

has to do with boots

and attack speed

[flint turret]

okay, how?

[cosmic charm]

shadows

13 shadows

[flint turret]

you have 7 max not 13

[cosmic charm]

ok

[flint turret]

unless im missing something huge

[cosmic charm]

I just told you

[flint turret]

can you show me 13 shadows?

[flint turret]

i asked to show 13 not 7

[cosmic charm]

ok, you just trolling me now

[flint turret]

it literally shows 7 on your screenshot bro

[cosmic charm]

look again

[flint turret]

maybe you posted a wrong screenshot?

[cosmic charm]

nop

and actually they are more when you evade/traversal

[flint turret]

do you know that shadows have a max amount or its you who are trolling

neiter evade nor traversal dont allow to go over max, and nothing that im aware of does

if you know some secret tech, which is possible, id gladly believe you if you show me

but when you show a screen with 7 saying its 13 it doesnt work like that bro

[cosmic charm]

ok

[flint turret]

Kartal may be gone but his legacy still lives it seems

[cosmic charm]

Who is that?

[marble zealot]

you do get 2x your maximum shadows with tabi, but like sync strike max shadows they dont appear as buffs

so idk how that affects mods like %dmg per shadow

[cosmic charm]

@marble zealotcount the actual shadows in teh screenshot.

[marble zealot]

bro idc about that

[flint turret]

sync strike shadows perfectly show as buffs, like everything else

you can have 5 shadows as mm or falconer without any + shadows gear just with sync

[marble zealot]

hmm when i tested earlier i wasnt getting above my maximum no matter what

[flint turret]

and tabi have no affect on maximum shadows

[marble zealot]

i mean whats the mechanism that makes tabi 2x your damage if not that?

[flint turret]

it allows to sustain your max shadows

and get to it x2 faster

again, unless im missing something really important. But unless i see a screenshot of more than 8 shadows i have my doubts about that

[cosmic charm]

count the actual shadows that appear in the screenshots, not on the buff bar.

[flint turret]

naked falconer

[cosmic charm]

I don't know about falconer.

[flint turret]

its the same number

the animation you see from rend is not an actual shadow, you should know it because the rend animations you cast dont immidiatly start casting cascades, its only after a delay after they complete their rend attack and showed the "red wave" animation

its a rend animation

it becomes shadow after it completes its attack

you can see it if you cast rend once and look at your shadows buff

look at the moment it appears, and after that its eligible to cast cascade

[cosmic charm]

The idol says active shadows, on the battlefield there are 13 shadows, thats how I interpret it

[flint turret]

its not a shadow bro its a rend animation

[cosmic charm]

stop calling bro, bra

[flint turret]

it doesnt say it counts rend animations on screen

[cosmic charm]

I highly doubt it we are related.

Good thing there is a block feature

[flint turret]

another one bites the dust i guess

maybe i should have started with it but i hoped for a mutual understandment without it

[marble zealot]

wait im so confused with sync strike lol

if i do it on naked falc i get 4 shadows no matter how many i had before or whatever

[flint turret]

+1

sync description is just bad

it allows to go over limit just with sync and sync alone depending on sync nodes. you cant go over your "hard" shadow limit by having some shadows out and using sync to get some extra

[marble zealot]

ahhh i c

i thought i could just spam sync to get more than limit

[flint turret]

meaning if you have 7 max as bd you wont be able to get 9+ with sync

[marble zealot]

yeye

[flint turret]

that was basically my complain since day1 i started playing

we had no + shadow gear back then and it was so stupid that MM and BD had the same amount of max shadows being 5

when realistically from the sync description BD should have been able to get to 7-8

[spare granite]

is there any good falconer build like explosive trap for example?

[pearl forge]

yea i always complained too about the +2 being fake on sync mastery

i just gave up eventually and now with set you dont even need them thankfully

unless you do dmg with shadows

[marble zealot]

@flint turret ok yeah tabi does nothing for damage if you have 100% resummon chance, holy moly was i wrong about the shadow stuff

i just remember trying it at league start and seeing my dmg go 2x

[buoyant roost]

not bad :D. I think its around what I have for throwing damage build, just dual wielding 😄 btw mega late reply. had some break

This would be nice to try on my DS bleed

[flint turret]

you are not wrong its really close to x2 damage but for different reasons

you just get to max faster and sustain max shadows

because every tabi cast gives +2 instead of +1

[lyric smelt]

uh didnt know that, which means I should replace my doppel body armor?

[flint turret]

nonono + shadows is really important with tabi or with t8 resummon relic

its the only way to increase max shadows, but if you are not using either, then you cant sustain max shadows anyway

[lyric smelt]

shadows cap is 5?

[flint turret]

i.e, in mono clears where you use movment rend

[flint turret]

i can be anywhere between 3 and 8

[spare granite]

anyone got a good link for HeartSeeker ? i struggle at around 700 corruption

[serene crane]

Damn Joe is alive! 😄

[buoyant roost]

where DA build

[flint turret]

the most you can do with it is to add tons of throwing damage to the shuriken on bow crit corruptions

[upbeat orchid]

how important is it to get the crit armor base for the chest or is it better to try and get t7 ward gain from shadow and t5 shadow cascade dmg?

[serene crane]

I think people just didnt bother with it that much how bad the range felt 😄

[buoyant roost]

what you playin now

[serene crane]

Pretty much just waiting for 1.5, hopefully content there will be more interesting

[buoyant roost]

so not hunting for t7 shuriken bow + t7 shuriken quiver 😄

btw I've been playing my Ignite Heartseeker a bit. I can get around 4000 stacks of ignite, with like 2k damage. Ticking around 3 million

but the survibaility and clear are awful 😄

@flint turret what kind of bow did you end up getting for shuriken?

[serene crane]

I didnt really have some issues with survivability, even with Blade Shield, its just more dodging and moving around from attacks 😄

[flint turret]

multishot, worked the best for me, i didnt like hs with it much

https://youtu.be/HfjI6Wlx8nI

works pretty great with 0lp bow and quiver and no frenzy even

im pretty confident that shuri is the best mm build by far currently, but locking it behind 1% corruption for t6-7 is a crime

i tried asking ehg but they ignore the question about shuriken MM build gatekeeping both in discord and on stream. Its just not fair than you can go MG and buy the bow for 1-2m or you will need to get hundreds of unique bows and quivers on cof

on mg everyone is getting coruupted bows\quivers from omens and 99% dont need them so they sell

this is basically an MG exclusive tech unless you are a masochist

[serene crane]

Overall its so idiotic... 😄

[upbeat orchid]

so how does the recall work on umbral blades? I feel like it one hits my target 50% of the time. I see them go through the target but do zero dmg

other times I see them just delete the target so hard the music halts

[potent rune]

Its an mg league by a long shot

Not a fan of tier corruption whoever had that idea was with all due respect smoking something,hitting corr supposed to feel amazing not oh I hit t1 affix nice

[flint turret]

to be fair most of corruption affixes scale much differently from t1-t7

most of times t1 is half or more of t7

compared to rtegular affixes where t5 is half of t7

so even getting t1 of what you needed is great

but when its an affix that is a pre0requisite for a build to work at all its a bit of a different story

[kind adder]

Do you have a planner for this, or were you even able to get close to something working in game?

[flint turret]

i just linked a video with a planner

[kind adder]

Ah sorry missed that

[potent rune]

Not for every affix though but they did balance some that way its still bad though

[flint turret]

@marble zealot here took it to extreme on mg, mine is scuffed 0-1 lp cof variant

but thats already more than enough for amazing clear and uber

[kind adder]

Wow that's wild. Chakram clearly best for this or just preference?

[flint turret]

fpr clear i liked it best

it allows a wider clear because chakram follows you on the way back

[kind adder]

Nice

[flint turret]

so it kinda clears from sides and even behind a bit

[kind adder]

Yeah and holy it procs an insane amount of times

I saw one multishot proc like 7 chakrams lol

[flint turret]

dps vise its close to line version, line is a bit stronger because it enables entry points faster. The most single targer damage comes from bladeshield but it makes you melee

[kind adder]

Yeah no thanks, if I wanted to play blade shield shuri I'd just self cast it like I do right now lol.

[flint turret]

it melts bosses thats the main purpose

[midnight ridge]

Zhp balista any good this season? never played it

[kind adder]

Seems like it's built pretty similarly to other shuri builds though, not sure if that piques my interest as much as I thought it would

[flint turret]

you just unspec 2 points in chakram and get 2 for bladeshield and rickoshet you are set for uber

[kind adder]

Rather keep trying to gear the meme build @wary cedar showed me with shattered lance gear and cold melee DA

[flint turret]

top of the corruption ladder afaik

meme builds are cool, i like that. But i didnt have time or effort in me this season because i had to check out rend and bow shuri

[kind adder]

The most interesting builds in the game to me are the ones using multiple set bonuses and legends to complete them. I wish set pieces were better, some of them have really cool unique effects that we never get to play with because the items suck

[flint turret]

gearing to bow shuri on cof drained me like a dementor ngl

i strongly advise not doing that

[kind adder]

I'm not a big fan of the 1LP slam > immediate corrupt pipeline tbh

[midnight ridge]

this season was defntly not the cof season

[flint turret]

i was trying to get it at least even on 0lp to start with and it was already terrible

[kind adder]

Yeah and I'm even less motivated after hearing that, I have already had shite luck with corruptions and it makes me not want to even interact with the system

[flint turret]

i later moved the goal to get 1lp slammed and it was just ridiculos. i ended up with 60+ 1lp drelkors that got corruption affix on top of their t7(not counting negative outcomes even) without seeing a single shuriken of any lvl

[kind adder]

Dayum

[flint turret]

but i got this at the end

[kind adder]

That's depressing af

[flint turret]

even tho i didnt intend to play at all after

[kind adder]

Ofc after all that lol

[flint turret]

it took like 100+ creation runes and 250+ corruption runes just for the bow

and quiver has much worse chance

[kind adder]

So bad

I still have a lot of stupid builds I wanna try. After melee DA I wanna see if I can get mana stack bow DA to feel all right at all

[flint turret]

after they nerfed it i highly doubt

it was already terrible at everything other than oneshot, now it cant even oneshot

[kind adder]

I actually don't mind the 100 mana cap, means I don't have to invest super hard into mana stack. As long as I get 400 mana I'm getting the full damage bonus

[flint turret]

yeah but there is no way to sustain 150 mana per cast

[kind adder]

There is if it's on a cooldown

[flint turret]

fair, you can regain mana with hs or puncture i guess

[flint turret]

math checks out

id even say you can get 6 hits in 2 seconds

[kind adder]

Probably with the AS nodes in puncture tree. And maybe a bow attack speed slam.

I'd need some serious CDR to get it down lower than 3 seconds tho

Base cd is 5 secs

I should be able to get 80% increased recov relatively easily with boots belt and some item bases, plus pyramidal altar

Should be around 2.7 seconds if I get there

[flint turret]

i think hs is better for mana

with mana on recurve

but it will work only with drelk

[wary cedar]

set bow and quiver when

[serene crane]

2.4

[wary cedar]

btw the uniques in gd look kinda underwhelming

[serene crane]

Depends, some are stats/skills, some do some extra unique skills... also they have upgraded versions on higher lvls

[wary cedar]

maybe

maybe the items just read like shit

because i understand nothing

[serene crane]

Maybe maybe 😄

[flint turret]

we have that in heroes olden era

[kind adder]

I was also thinking cinder strike for the oil coating buff to elemental damage

[serene crane]

Even D3 had some set crossbows... tbh crossbows in LE would be cool aswell 😄 Grim Dawm even has some 1h/2h crossbows 😄 Torchlight 2 had some set pistols If I remember it right

[kind adder]

Dude I need to play grim Dawn again

Maybe I ditch LE for a while

lol

[flint turret]

we still dont even have a single throwing ranged weapon so...

[wary cedar]

i m lv 29 rn, first run ever

[serene crane]

Im trying to wait for the expansion... If I start GD again, I'll probably do several new characters and just burnout again and poe2 in like 3 weeks, so... hopefully GD expansion releases like 1-2months after poe2, that would be great 😄

[serene crane]

and already dropping legendaries? 😄 or did you check some stuff? 😄

[wary cedar]

i just checked database

i have no clue where i should go in game atm

[serene crane]

Well first act is basically to go through the swamps to North, to the town and into the prison to kill the first main boss there... after that, its going to left over the bridge to kill bunch of bandits and slowly going to west and north

[wary cedar]

i need to go to some village because sdomebody needs foods or whatever

i went through smugglers pass but there is door after that where i cant go trought

[serene crane]

Yea, Homestead is one of the bigger check points, its a bit of a walk to get there 😄 either after Smuggler or Deadman's Pass, idk which one it is now, there is a cave with a troll boss and after that, its pretty much just more north, cant really miss it 😄 there is a big side area around Tyrant's Hold with several locations

[wary cedar]

there is a path with green crystals that dmg me

but i cant pass the door at the end of this path

[serene crane]

in Immolation after the aether shit on the ground? thats a quest area that unlocks way later

[wary cedar]

idk

game told me to go through smugglers path

but thats a dead end

[undone hazel]

can't find a build for bees rogue, anything to note about it? I'm assuming falconer mastery?

[spare granite]

@serene crane can i ask why you have explo trap ? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjqxLNKP

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (69) / Falconer (22)

General:

▸ Health: 2,309, Regen: 203/s
▸ Mana: 195.5, Regen: 13.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 5/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 58 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 66 Vit
▸ Resistances: 144% / 101% / 152% / 109% / 126% / 118% / 174%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 808
▸ Dodge Chance: 36% (1261)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,078)
▸ Block Chance: 40%, Mitigation: 0% (0)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 46%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 70%

Used skills:

Net / Bladestorm / Smoke Bomb / Explosive Trap / Decoy

[spare granite]

or how you trigger them?

[serene crane]

Bladestorm throws them from the unique relic

[spare granite]

@serene crane im not lucky with helmet though 😭

i messaged you private if thats ok

you can maybe help me to choose what helmet i should taker+

i was not able to get +4 to bladestorm

[serene crane]

Its pretty much just damage there.. +4 bladestorm is nice, but just get Corsair for the Block=>Parry conversion and any kind of damage/defense you need... like %increase damage with sword / other throw damage / health / resists

[spare granite]

i got +3 to shurikens so 80 % throwing damage

or + 35% throwing physical damage

[serene crane]

Yea thats good too 😄 Ive tried Detonation Bladestorm that also auto throws shurikens, but it procs super randomly and not really that much, so taking shurikens wasnt worth.. %throw damage is still good tho

[kind adder]

@wary cedar what class you playing

[inner musk]

Is there any good builds in this new patch i can play?

I was thinking heart seeker maybe

Is it strong?

[potent rune]

New builds that are quite strong if you like mm is a shuriken multishot build,hearthseeker is always good option

[inner musk]

have you got any sugesstions that i can check for heart seeker

[fossil tartan]

Well now that I have LP1 versions of most of the items i want (not red ring yet) I finally decided to optimize/plan my Ideal build for SWARM ROGUE. This will be able to have over 100 bees on the screen at once. Please feel free to give feedback!

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGzG4Xd2

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (22) / Falconer (64)

General:

▸ Health: 1,981, Regen: 16.52/s
▸ Mana: 262.51, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 144 Dex / 21 Int / 81 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 59% / 59% / 59% / 64% / 70% / 70% / 155%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 693
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1937)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,886)
▸ Block Chance: 5%, Mitigation: 0% (0)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 102%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Acid Flask / Bladestorm / Aerial Assault / Decoy / Falconry

[fossil tartan]

(I recommend pressing Max instead of Average to better understand)

[potent rune]

As in for guides,maxroll is new player friendly maybe someone here can give you like a planner they haven't

[inner musk]

let me see if i can find something interesting

thanks

[potent rune]

People are very helpful here if you have any problems down the line or questions about it

[fossil tartan]

Oh, one question: would it be worth it to swap out the Bleeding Heart for that new corrupted amulet with the ridiculous +20 all attributes? That health leech is very useful and the increased potion chance is IMPORTANT.

[potent rune]

Definitely since it would buff a lot your bee damage

[fossil tartan]

Again I highly highlyhighly recommend Bee Falconer it is so much fun

[potent rune]

Bleeding hearth does nothing for your build right now

[fossil tartan]

That's what I thought... The throwing speed and life leech is nice but already covered for in diff areas.

[inner musk]

I dont know if ill enjoy summoner

[fossil tartan]

Oh I forgot corruption runes can be put on things other than Idols...
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbdrGkJ

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (22) / Falconer (64)

General:

▸ Health: 2,294, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 348.51, Regen: 12.56/s
▸ Attributes: 57 Str / 188 Dex / 54 Int / 124 Att / 50 Vit
▸ Resistances: 59% / 59% / 59% / 64% / 70% / 99% / 184%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 803
▸ Dodge Chance: 68% (3483)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,415)
▸ Block Chance: 5%, Mitigation: 0% (0)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 102%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Acid Flask / Bladestorm / Aerial Assault / Decoy / Falconry

[fossil tartan]

Understandable!

[wary cedar]

nightblade + oathkeeper

[kind adder]

Huge

[wary cedar]

in fact i just came back from the doctor

and i can stay at home the entire week

despite not being that ill

so guess who will have time to game

[serene crane]

Time to kill more alien infected zombies

[buoyant roost]

@wary cedar where acid flask

[wary cedar]

next season maybe

[buoyant roost]

Im gonna try the fire one

🔥

lvl4 ready to grind

[naive saddle]

Rogues have more than 4 skills?

[wary cedar]

i got other games in my mind rn

[pure hound]

What scales umbral blades damage higher for the recall build? melee attack speed or crit multi/throwing dmg?

[wary cedar]

Dusk Shroud no?

[serene crane]

"hey guys, rate my build"

[wary cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[pure hound]

Oh dusk shrouds matter more? i didnt know i thought melee atk speed meant more umbral blades to be recalled unless theres a limit

[wary cedar]

idk

i dont play op shit, i m just assuming xd

[serene crane]

more attack speed = more shadows = more umbrals on the ground = also more dusk shroud stacks = more damage = more crit multi per umbral from the tree

[pure hound]

Ahh ok ty

[buoyant roost]

You are

[wary cedar]

get off my lawn

[naive saddle]

It's dusk shrouds

[trim zodiac]

Weird I’m not using any of those set ups

[wary cedar]

weirdo

[midnight ridge]

Time to try the ballista falconer build for the first time ever. any tips?

[trim zodiac]

Crit

[kind adder]

@wary cedar its happening

[wary cedar]

you just need the health regen per strength corruption now

[naive saddle]

Use them potions, a lot.

[midnight ridge]

for the mana regen?

[naive saddle]

For Elixir of Construction

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane heard you like attack speed

[serene crane]

Huge speed 😄 buffed with bugged Abandonded set 😄

[buoyant roost]

is bugged?

[serene crane]

too bad its not the Shuri corruption... 🙁

[buoyant roost]

thats what im corrupting for like 30 bows now 😄

[serene crane]

Yea I guess its bugged for every kind of weapon? Thats just what I heard 😄

[buoyant roost]

hmm. I guess you should be able to see this in the stat.s

let me check

@serene crane have you ever watched original space jam

with MJ

[serene crane]

Yea like 3 centuries ago 😄

[buoyant roost]

well you know at the end of the movie when MJ learns he can have cartoon powers 😄

thats who I feel now. It works

for all legendary affixes

[potent rune]

Its bugged for every unique with a legendary affix ,this also applies to corruption affixes even quivers,shields ,catalysts get boosted by 50%

[kind adder]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR6geGl5

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (40) / Bladedancer (32) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,571, Regen: 682.04/s
▸ Mana: 299.47, Regen: 11.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 100%, Regen: 159/s
▸ Attributes: 132 Str / 38 Dex / 17 Int / 17 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 83% / 107% / 59% / 48% / 33% / 184% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 774
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (598)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,350)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 10%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 25%

Used skills:

Detonating Arrow / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Cinder Strike / Shadow Cascade

[kind adder]

@wary cedar honestly not terrible right now even though I haven't slammed a Wall yet

Biggest problem rn is cinder strike does not generate mana fast enough, and if I'm not at full mana, damage is pretty meh

But idk if there is a better mana generator on rogue

Puncture only does 4 per hit

Flurry is 2, although you might get that with every hit, not sure how that works

[fossil tartan]

You making it cost 0 to get that 8 mana from 0 cost skills in Rogue tree?

If you have space on your rings a throwing skill like acid flask can be made into a 0cost.

[kind adder]

its already a 0 cost lol

by default

[fossil tartan]

Lol right

[trim zodiac]

shurikens are ez

[serene crane]

you might get lucky with some cold/health regen rolls on this 🤔

gotta grind for those idols for sure 😄

Adorned can get health regen=>ward corruption 🤔 but thats gonna be a loss for health regen itself, so idk

[wary cedar]

maybe shurikens, due to them being range and multiple you can hit more enemies

i really hope the new palading skill can be cold melee

or they add new conversions for cold melee in S5

then i will do this build seriously

[serene crane]

We better get this in 1.5 and it better be godly amazing

[wary cedar]

your dreams

my dreams:

[serene crane]

All the health regen in the world

[wary cedar]

i still dont understand how they have sentinel - a strength based class with quite some regen passives but with legit ZERO cold melee attack

and then make a regen based set bonus for cold melee

💀

honestly, EHG should hire me, my ideas are dope

game would be fine with me

[serene crane]

Idk, a potato design like with most of the set items that are pretty much useful for one class in most cases

[kind adder]

Yeah could be nice, think I'd rather just have an Omnis or Exulis for the stats

Suppose I could start wasting my weaver runes on those though

[kind adder]

Does shuri have mana regen in its tree? Also I think the sapping strikes mana is just once per use iirc, not on hit? Could be wrong

[wary cedar]

if tha's the case it would be worse

but still better to hit due to being ranged

[kind adder]

Trueeee

[serene crane]

+2/+20 Exhulis is cool I guess, but t7 health regen Inheritance is pretty much the same for health regen and definitely easier to get 😄

[kind adder]

Well damn

Okay guess I'm farming tombs

The other thing I'm really hating about melee da

[serene crane]

41 health regen with 98% regen increase looks pretty sweet... with some %health and void res on top of it... or just Omnis with t7 regen and call it a day, the resists are just nice to have for sure

[kind adder]

Is HOLY you have to be INSIDE THEIR ASS to hit them

And God forbid the enemy is 0.1 degrees in the wrong direction so that your explosion misses the whole pack

Think I'm gonna start a spellblade lol

[serene crane]

Yea sounds like a lot easier life with cold Shatter+Mana Strike 😄

maybe even lich could work with cold Flay? 🤔

[steady cypress]

hmm

so for falconer good build

it really seems like we are left with ballista (ordinary and explosion) right?

[charred pagoda]

Yeah i really want to try to make the explosion one work for hc. I know for sc it seems like the best build for pushing corruption. But i think it's an inherently zhp build

Normal ballista is a little boring for me

[steady cypress]

Ah I mean I'm looking for some falconer good minion oriented build

only one I'm aware is ballista thing

[charred pagoda]

Yeah the only other one i can think of is there is a bleed falconer build on maxroll

[steady cypress]

that one sucks

it lacks bleed duration and physical pen with bleed

also falcony cooldown is too long

[charred pagoda]

Ah yeah that might be why I've never seen anyone play it 😅

[flint turret]

does anyone know if the missing bd skill come in 1.5? was there any info?

[kind adder]

Pretty sure they hinted it's a sentinel skill in 1.5

No

Primalist skill

Not sentinel

[flint turret]

[kind adder]

I guess they could still add a rogue skill

They added heartseeker with all the sentinel changes in 1.2 🤷🏼‍♂️

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbdVm2k

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 92

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (33) / Marksman (72)

General:

▸ Health: 1,622, Regen: 18.88/s
▸ Mana: 416.96, Regen: 10.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 40 Dex / 14 Int / 14 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 140% / 35% / 69% / 61% / 112% / 74% / 72%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 394
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (592)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (572)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 33%

Used skills:

Detonating Arrow / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Puncture / Dark Quiver

[kind adder]

This already feels a brazillion times better than melee DA

That's not saying much tho

[wary cedar]

next season i will go on super niche build

[kind adder]

How's grim Dawn

[wary cedar]

i understand nothing

[kind adder]

Beautiful

Bro

wtf

Is up with the embeds

[wary cedar]

i also started to terrorize the grim dawn discord

[kind adder]

I'm getting owned

See?

[wary cedar]

no fun allowed here

[kind adder]

wtf

[wary cedar]

at least we still have pregnant man reaction

god bless

[lyric smelt]

guys how to calculate shadows critical strike chance

ish + shadow's chance?

[kind adder]

@flint turret if I'm gearing for shadow rend, what should I swap out of this Maxroll guide to cap crit?

Just throw flat crit chance on my firestarters?

[trim zodiac]

ANYTHING WITH +crit chance

u start tih 5%

[serene crane]

Ragu's budget version:
#🔪┃rogue message

[flint turret]

Just swap it out for tongue, and you gonna crit cap easily with rogue passive or swap it out for reforged jormund sword and cap with weapons of choise

Or crit per dagger idol/affix

[flint turret]

Flat isn't an issue for rend cascade, we get 9% from doppel relic and 13 from tongue, but there is no easy access to inc% with a scepter

And if we also want to keep umbral damage on shift recall it's even much worse because doppel relic is not working for them

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane
something? 🙁

Cinder strike dream again? Xd

[serene crane]

Could be fun 😄

[buoyant roost]

Has anyone tried what happens if for example you choose marksman, skill the DA, then switch to Falconer and use Explosive Traps that trigger detonating arrow.

basically like "snapshotting" skills?

even though you can't use it on the bar

[serene crane]

Pretty sure you just lose the skill and whatever is triggered is the most basic version of DA

[trim zodiac]

@flint turret I’m sitting over 140 crit rate it’s Ezer to stack flat then u don’t need the absolute shit %rate that eats all ur slots

[pure hound]

Does shift not work for consuming flow when using the node that lets you recall UB with shift?

I've tried every method and it seems like it just doesn't work and the damage goes to shift instead (if you spec in unseen strike)

[serene crane]

Because Flow only works for direct skills

[cobalt mantle]

You can only generate and consume flow with direct casts, so yes it will go to shift

[serene crane]

melee or throw, so for Flow to work you need to manually recall Umbrals

[pure hound]

Hmm i see

I saw the rogue on the top hardcore ladder was using shift to recall and i was just curious why he chose that, maybe it was for better clearing?

i couldn't quite understand why he took what he did: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Sayrf/character/SayrDD

Like he specced pulse but took the shift recall? he specced out of Porcupines wrath in shadow cascade for the melee version? he specced rend for lightning?

I do like the shift variant for movement over smoke bomb leap though it feels faster in monos

[storm surge]

anything else i should do before i use rune of creaton? im lvl 78 so cant upgrade last t4 to 5

[flint turret]

140% with a scepter? Show planner

[echo drift]

Sup ya'll check what im cooking https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/DigglesTheDog/character/StupidIdiot

[trim zodiac]

@flint turret that planner was pinned a looked at it breifly it didnt have a scepter i do remeber swapping in crit helm and it jumped to like 60-70 percent if u had crit vuln then ur at 80 90

and alls i did was put points into basic crit chance node in basic rouge tree and slap on good olde prism helm

its rouge their are a million ways to cap crit

[broken barn]

Can someone tell me what kind of chest piece to craft for monos? This is what I have now:

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Deafening/character/Immortal_XIII

[trim zodiac]

i relized ur already in monos

why do u not have crit avoidance

[broken barn]

It appears that none of the top builds use crit avoidance. I want to farm 10k corruption and at that point even regular hits one-shot

[trim zodiac]

then they are runing glanceing blow or evade

but for glancing blow or dodge to work u have to stack it to unbleivably high

if u arnt at crit strike avoid then its not worth stacking at all and u can go reduced bonus damage taken from crit till u can cap

it entirely

[broken barn]

What level corruption are you?

[trim zodiac]

idk but im like rank 80 something on rouge hc acf

[broken barn]

Oh ok I can see why thats necessary in HC to build that way

[trim zodiac]

if ur not on hc i dont think u gotta worry bout it

[echo drift]

@trim zodiac Check this build bro unkillable till about 3k https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/DigglesTheDog/character/StupidIdiot

[serene crane]

Why worry about crit avo when you already cover entire screen with Blind

[broken barn]

I am not. I was responding to another comment.

[trim zodiac]

if u want a tanky shadow rend then check out https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/araaaaaa/character/Hasan_assassin

i think thats kinda what ur looking for based on urs

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Olympiens/character/Shadowe

this ones also kinda tanky

hes stacking health thats also an option

[serene crane]

:c

Surely they arent self casting Shurikens, right 😄

[trim zodiac]

i use that yeah thats really good if u want to manualy cast

honesly i just hold that button down and use danceing strike to move

but to use dancing strike to move u have to have move speed and attack speed stacked

also im play with controler so its a bit different

[serene crane]

Not using DS/Rend just to self cast Shurikens for a silly 30% armor on a build thats not even going for throw damage = stuff isnt dying = stuff kills you

[trim zodiac]

o those wont show up on calculator

for like defense

yes but i dont use rend

[serene crane]

Doesnt matter with this If it shows up or not

[trim zodiac]

ur also getting perfection stack wich also gibs armor

like it gives enough but honestly in the highest corruption u probably just want to insta wipe the map before they can attack

trade all ur defense at that point for offense

[serene crane]

Yea with melee attacks, which you start losing once you start self using shurikens, thats straight up just a waste

[trim zodiac]

u can use bd inbetwen shuriken

u want to see

[serene crane]

No, thanks 😄

[trim zodiac]

also helps with flow

im not sure if u can do it on mouse tho so

if u do use mouse u could how ever danceing strikes in place

[lyric smelt]

which one is better for cascade flat melee or attk speed?

[potent rune]

If you are doing the melee version flat above anything else then attack speed for more damage

[kind adder]

Curious about this answer because the Maxroll guide already has tongue in there? Are you saying run double tongue?

The guide feels a bit unrealistic since it relies heavily on item bases to crit cap... 100% on the ancient coins is a bit ridiculous

Also why do they still pick siphon without running shattered chains since it's only void melee damage now?

Okay after doing a small amount of math, seems like throwing in a jormun's reforged with increased crit and melee AS instead of flamethrowers would be a good alternative. Gives another complete set for legends and makes capping crit way easier

[potent rune]

Because siphon doesnt need shattered chains ,siphon is 16% more melee damage in general not void

[kind adder]

What?

Where is that coming from? It's not on the item

[potent rune]

It has always been like this,only shattered chains is for void damage and this was changed this season basically cause before it worked for all damage types that are melee

[kind adder]

Yeah I know about the shattered chains change. Where is the 16% more melee damage on siphon?

[potent rune]

Siphon applies doom

Doom its 4 % more melee damage per stack and it stacks 4 times

[kind adder]

Wait

More or increased?

LETools says increased

[potent rune]

Its more

If it was increased it would be trash

[kind adder]

That's so weird, why does LETools say increased

[potent rune]

Because its like saying increase damage taken

Which at the end its a more damage multiplier

If you take increase damage for example for dual wield you are taking more damage basically from enemies

[lyric smelt]

chain is good tho, ~60% inc melee damage & armor

[potent rune]

Chain doesn't work anymore outside void knight because of the changes to it

Now for more damage on belt you go jormund 2 set and the way more powerful frenzy belt

[serene crane]

Even basic Jormun is already great enough start... easy enough to get max rolls corruption, 140% crit multi, 20% more damage, 24% atk speed, 8% crit, over 100 flat damage... and %inc crit chance from passives + crit vuln; tons of crit all over the place

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Gak9JEuI8

where does this guy get this much damage from

nvm. just saw it 😄 1612% icnreased

[serene crane]

Yea and stacked like 56174687671 Blade Shields 😄

[buoyant roost]

yeah. but i was doing the same, yet I can't even get him to 20% on hit 😄

and Ihave in general more flat damage

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A21qV3Yb

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (10) / Marksman (60)

General:

▸ Health: 1,664, Regen: 28.02/s
▸ Mana: 174.41, Regen: 12.56/s
▸ Attributes: 0 Str / 28 Dex / 0 Int / 0 Att / 0 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 138% / 107% / 33% / 146% / 43% / 23%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 333
▸ Dodge Chance: 39% (1370)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (556)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 25%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 8%

Used skills:

Bladestorm / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker / Decoy

[serene crane]

I mean... not only he plays with Multishot but his gear is just better aswell and going for full dmg 😄

[buoyant roost]

yeah those triple exalt slams are crazy. but still

[serene crane]

Do phys multishot one and you'll see for yourself 😄

[buoyant roost]

look at my julra man 🙁

[serene crane]

Even when I was lvling the Bo's staff falconer with self-cast Blade Shield, it was pretty much deleting everything in a second... Lagoon, Majasa, Observer... cracked damage 😄 ofc it starts falling off with higher corruption, but for what it is, the damage of stacked Blade Shields is crazy

[buoyant roost]

and its still not good enough for uber 🙁

[buoyant roost]

yeah because shurikend can hit multiple times

oh btw the sword I sent you, the Cinder dream, is okay. can do abberoth. But its muych better on sentinel 😄

[serene crane]

It does, just multishot is more damage 😄 Heartseeker is more fun tho

[serene crane]

Yea its just funny off-meta build on rogue... 😄 it was also good and fun on Shatter Strike, when the boosted attack speed kicks in, spamming Shatter/Mana strike is great 😄

[flint turret]

Yes, double instead of a scepter. For crit capping with scepter you need some crazy gear and it's not even THAT good. 42% more fire damage is great on paper until you go and see what are you sacrificing for it. You lose 15% more damage from cascade tree, and tons of affix/blessing budget just to cap crit. Also it has lower base damage and no crit multi, and no as and no +skills

[serene crane]

Firestarter was nice enough for the cheaper ignite Rend with Maehlin+Ember... but thats just a silly fun build, but at least its still Rend so that just carries during Uberroth fight

[flint turret]

Yeah for dots I get is, but capping crit with it is a nightmare and need some crazy gear

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane
I dare you to achieve this

[serene crane]

tbh that happens a lot 😄

[flint turret]

You just need to die while entangled from anything

[serene crane]

I offed myself with my own bleed stacks on Mage with the Nib relic... 😄

[buoyant roost]

yeah.

but honestly the last stage of uber is crazy. those beams form the middle just shoot everywhere

[flint turret]

Except they dont

They reperat where they shoot previously

You can pre-place then during the fight

[buoyant roost]

still need to lkearn that part. the first things first, need to survive until then 😄

basically just everything one shots me. the red orbs, the blue orbs, the purple ground, the spinning blade

[serene crane]

Also yeah... I still blame the neverending plague caused by maxroll guides for that

[flint turret]

I gave mixed feelings about that. On one hand the scepter is definitely not bad if you know what you are doing, on the other the guide should have probably explained it better and emphasized the importance of capping crit

Because when you end up with 60% crit on a crit build with nodes for -25% less damage on non crit, that butchers your damage more than in half, and at that point even a white dagger is better than a scepter

[serene crane]

It do be like that sometimes

[flint turret]

And yeah, scepter also makes umbral crits non existing too

Because they don't even get flat from doppel

They are not as important in a fire cascade, but it's still damage

[serene crane]

I hope we'll just get some more 1h weapons for crit, seeing offhand Tongue in like 99% builds feels so lame...

[buoyant roost]

nothing else one handed gives nearly as much 😄

on top of that you get +2 skills and a base crit multiplier. just cant get better

[serene crane]

Jormun kinda gets close, just no +1/2 skills 😄

[buoyant roost]

I tried umbral as a main damage skill. Man its so bad 😄

I mean throwing it on enemies.

[flint turret]

Rly? It should be pretty awesome

[buoyant roost]

I had a lot of throwing damage. And the crits were like below 1k

[flint turret]

Trikster made selfcast umbrals work pretty great in 1.3 and in 1.4 they got some huge tree upgrades

Weird

https://youtu.be/2v8FNMEacJM?si=z7C7AHJ9iLM1Z4A1

Add flow, doppel and shadows on recall to it, and crit per umbral and it will do triple damage of that

[buoyant roost]

this looks great. i dont know

[flint turret]

And some decent gear

[serene crane]

One guy has posted a Bladestorm build with the node for Umbral thorw into it, it looked really good, but also the gear was already good too, not some 1LP budgets

[trim zodiac]

@buoyant roost flat throwing or increased

[buoyant roost]

for umbral? mostly flat. not sure how much increased I had, but I dont know, I felt like its not worth investing.

[trim zodiac]

Honestly it’s been a while since I crunched they but shadow dagger crit is better till u can do some stacking of flat damage it’s somewhere around 100

Like u really gotta pump flat before increased throwing starts paying off

And since it will be awhile slapping on extra dex is like 300% effectiveness for shadow dagger stack dex in the mean time

Also ur crit mult and cast rate are damage multis to

Also u throw away a lot of defense to do it but eventually u just start deleting everything great if u play with just don’t get hit strat but high risk high reward

Also their is this funny little crit amulet that crits on crit but u need over 100% crit rate for it to work

It’s funny little math problem

[buoyant roost]

@serene crane

🙁 I guess I need to pull @wary cedar

[flint turret]

I have so many drelks with this shit too

Even tho it should be the same chance as shuri

Also wonder why they needed to make a second type of icicle but weaker for the corruption, since the RoW ones are better

Why not just use the same ones it's not like it's op or anything

[serene crane]

Yea I got like every bow with the icicle corrupt... 😄

Hopefully EHG will at least do some more interesting corruptions like this and make the system better, not letting it rot...

[flint turret]

i tried asking ehg about this in different places but i got ignored everywhere, so for me its 50\50 either they know they screwed up and already know how to fix it but dont want to spoil it yet or they are under impression that its working perfectly and the critics is just whining and crying so they ignore that

if they leave it as is i guess its time to seriusly get into mg next season

just buy shuri corrupted drelk 0lp and quiver for a joke price at the beggining and enjoy my life, then buy some niche omen idols and soulgambler while selling own omen idols. Later can start selling vises and worlds and nihilis, sounds super easy

[serene crane]

Yea its funny how this is doing more damage to Uber than like 95% of other meta builds there... for mapping you just put one silly amulet on and ezpz

[kind adder]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bjqx9ZWy

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (63) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,987, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 170.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 32%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 41 Dex / 16 Int / 16 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 77% / 76% / 110% / 207% / 115% / 139%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 468
▸ Dodge Chance: 26% (890)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,049)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 14%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 70%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades / Explosive Trap

[kind adder]

This is the gear I ended up with (ignore idols, I forgot to change those)

Any suggestions? Obviously it's mostly starter stuff and can be significantly improved

[buoyant roost]

LEVEL100 STARTER STUFF? :d

[flint turret]

t7 throw amulet is mandatory

this is super good for monos

it makes you clear 1.5 screens away pr even more in some cases

you kill the enemy far from you, it spawn shadow, it cascades, it kills the enemy even more far, and it spawns shadow, and so on

also not a fan of those gloves ngl, i think maxrolled vise t7 AS would be much better

yoi dont even need that void res

also i guess this is a bossing setup? do you swap boots and shift for monos or no

and yeah i dont see it as a starter stuff. starter stuff are set pieces and nor reforgeds

im not sure i like the passive tree too much tho

id rather get more points in bd and falconer over MM

not having this is questionable

also why do even need crit avoidance passives, you have screenwide blind

but overall looks pretty solid, swap omnis to t7 throw nihilis and you gucci

maybe armor shred is missing a bit? dunno what idols you use, but you can get it from bd passive

[trim zodiac]

If u don’t cap crit avoidance it’s a waste

And if you are running blind it’s redundant I’d say pick one

[serene crane]

You just dont need crit avo with Kuzon helmet

especially not with Rend

[kind adder]

Yeah those were the best mirage champ gloves I've found so far 😭 very suboptimal

[kind adder]

I've never killed uber, that's why I wanted to gear up Rend

[flint turret]

bro you are miles over uber kill threshold

[kind adder]

Wdym? With my current gear?

[flint turret]

yes

[kind adder]

Oh

Cool

[flint turret]

just get t7 throw amulet

any omnis nihilis or whatever

will be much faster

[kind adder]

Nice. I have a couple 1LP nihilis waiting for me

[flint turret]

uber can be easily done withhout any reforged items and 1lps

[kind adder]

Mmm yeah I forgot shadow daggers are a good amount of damage in this build

[flint turret]

just t7 ward on shadow and t7 throw everywhere and you goodto go

[flint turret]

they are 0.0.....01% of your damage

only thing they do is apply traps

and a tiny bit of armor shred

[kind adder]

Oh really? I figured they scaled well since it's melee+throwing damage all over the place on my gear

[flint turret]

you have 0 multipliers for then

and tehre are not that many ways to scale their damage overall

just 1 passive and phys pen with SD affix

[kind adder]

Somehow I have zero damage per shadow with SC idols 😭

I'm assuming those are best?

Or crit multi with dual wield?

[flint turret]

oh thats bad i was assuming you do since you said you forgot to change idols

yeah you need those

[kind adder]

Yeah figured

Oh wait I have one omen idol

With bees per second

[flint turret]

you would want 2 at least probably

ideally 3

or this is the second best if you maybe have one

they cant replace damage per shadow entirely but 1-2 woulkd be okay if you already have 2 with cascade damage

[kind adder]

Good stuff

Okay I have a few pieces to grab and then it's uber time

[flint bough]

i have a question

do i need endurance on this build? https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Big_Mike69/character/Mike_Blade

[kind adder]

Idk what I'm doing but uber is fkn owning me

Closest I got was 65%

[marble zealot]

upload a decent try on streamable and maybe we can give pointers?

[flint turret]

Sounds weird ngl, considering you should always be above 10k ward facetanking pretty much almost everything

[kind adder]

I'm maxing out around 8k

Oh wait

Bro

lol. I forgot to fix my res after swapping to nihilis lmfao

I was like why is this cold black hole just owning me

Maybe because it's doing about 30% more damage than it should

Wait no... my cold res is maxed?? I'm so confused

[flint turret]

You are not supposed to stay in it

In red one you can

[flint turret]

if you need a reference https://youtu.be/3PuxRRu7SFs

but this one had much more defences instead of damage than needed

having more damage is much easier

[hollow mist]

is this good ? should I build around it later ?

for now im playing a mage but i'll reroll at one point

[tight wraith]

I saw someone mention a rogue with 89% dodge. How is that accomplished?

[ripe pier]

Boa Noite estou falando em portugue porque sem q tem bastante brasuca e portugas jogando.
Estou com um sentinela quase 80, mais to querendo fazer um Blade Dancer e queria fazer ele sem fazer a campanha inteira alguem poderia me ajudar nessa parte ??

[static lake]

does anyone play MM this season? seems like everybody goes for BD shadow rend already

[flat sentinel]

@cosmic charm hey. can mby you share your loot filter? i messed mine. im following your build ant last epoch tools

[flint bough]

is concentration stilll bugged for bladedancers in the marksman tree?

[serene crane]

#👥┃lfg É mais fácil perguntar aqui

[serene crane]

Worked without a problem for me

[serene crane]

Bleed Hail of Arrows was okay, but nothing really crazy good, just alright fun build to do... rolls are good tho, you can still slam it with t7 bow speed and whatever else and hope for Shuriken corruption... chances are fairly low, but thats about the best thing to get

[serene crane]

Mostly just Rend spam with Doppel helmet that gives you a stack of Dusk Shroud whenever you consume a Shadow

[naive saddle]

Dusk Shroud along with dodge increases and guaranteed dodge from Silver Shroud

[hollow mist]

thank you man. My other build idea was trying some primalist with alluvion later on (already tried and build was crap on spellblade)

I suck at LE and stuff (currently my disintegrate is stuck 100 corruption lol) but I can't bring myself to play 'meta' 😅

[serene crane]

I liked my Orb Weaver Shatter Strike spellblade, havent played primalist in ages 😄 but there is plenty of people in every class channel to help out with stuff

[hollow mist]

yes they did before I wasn't able to survive 100 corruption shamefully

with my disintegrate mage

[cosmic charm]

@flat sentinelcheck your msgs

[buoyant roost]

HoA mana cost is ridicilous 😄

[serene crane]

I was playing it with Puncture to get mana back aswell, so it wasnt that bad 😄

[flint turret]

With shurikens on bow crit - wonderful, I liked it more than rend. Outside of this nothing new or worth exploring imo

[buoyant roost]

@flint turret what do you think should be increased damage sweet spot for shurikens

1000-1500?

[flint turret]

The more the better. It's not that easy to scale but 1500 sounds pretty decent

Also depends on your multi

[buoyant roost]

so my multi with shuriken is around ~450

and base currently is 305

I think with Ucenui's I reach around 1100 increased

[flint turret]

Inc should be around x2.5 higher than multi

Then it doesn't matter what you slam it will do the same

[flint turret]

That's really low if that's only with full ucenui buff

Definitely go for inc

I fixed inc with t7 body and t7 bow inc

Can't say I'm a fan of "wasting" t7 on body for just 180 inc but it is what it is. You probably use t7 shuri flat on body tho?

Maybe worth considering getting inc on rings instead of flat if you have shuri flat on body/helm/idols

[buoyant roost]

yes it's on body and its on the wings of discord. I can switch this to increased, but judging from the calucation I have, the flat is still better

[flint turret]

Yeah that's why I said rings maybe. The give only a few of flat

26 flat vs 120 inc

[buoyant roost]

one ring is 120. the other i need for mana cost -5

[flint turret]

Why

[buoyant roost]

shurikens mana cost

[flint turret]

Bladestorm?

[buoyant roost]

the Ricochet Node

[flint turret]

Why do you care about it's manacost

[buoyant roost]

and + ring is ocearen so I have only 1 LP

[flint turret]

It's selfcast shurikens or what

[buoyant roost]

its on bow crit.

[flint turret]

Show planner I'm confused now

Okay so why do you care about manacost then

[buoyant roost]

I thought they cost mana?

[flint turret]

....because?

[buoyant roost]

because they get casted from bow.

let me try without ring

[flint turret]

It's fine you probably want to have at least one for flat anyway

Better show planner

[buoyant roost]

sec

but it doesnt seem to make a difference, youre right. either htat or I sustain enough mana with HS

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QeY5q1P2

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (10) / Marksman (60)

General:

▸ Health: 1,513, Regen: 24.58/s
▸ Mana: 184.61, Regen: 12.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 16%, Regen: 40/s
▸ Attributes: 0 Str / 28 Dex / 0 Int / 0 Att / 0 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 120% / 89% / 37% / 146% / 43% / 23%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 303
▸ Dodge Chance: 39% (1370)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (752)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 25%

Used skills:

Bladestorm / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker / Decoy

[flint turret]

oh its hs

wait why crit is so low

[buoyant roost]

crit multi?

or?

[buoyant roost]

or crit chance?

[flint turret]

chance

weaver set bc of bug i guess?

[buoyant roost]

yes 😄

the crit is enough

[flint turret]

how?

[serene crane]

Mods, ban Joe

[buoyant roost]

cirt vurneability

[flint turret]

its just 20% max

[buoyant roost]

20% base?

[flint turret]

and only on max stacks

not base

added after all calculations

[buoyant roost]

wait give me a sec

[serene crane]

Thats why I was just slamming hybrid crit/as on 1LP bows... a lot easier for crit chance

[flint turret]

you cant really trust the multihit numbers because they collapse together, i.e. if 4 out of 5 crits - it shows as yellow but collapses into one

if you want to be sure remove the line shuri and go hit dummies

[buoyant roost]

so let me see. I want to calculate

[flint turret]

maybe you have barely enough tho sinsidering a weaver bug

nah it doesnt look like so

[buoyant roost]

btw

does this work only for bow attacks

[flint turret]

i think you are missing some anyway

[buoyant roost]

I can aadd few points here

[flint turret]

iys still not enough

or wait

[serene crane]

Tbh, unless its 3LP bow, I wouldnt bother with Abandoned set bonus bug and just used some normal ring/amu

[flint turret]

actually its almost fine

get it maxed and get a few points in rogue crit maybe

[buoyant roost]

rogue crit is 8/8

[flint turret]

ah its maxed already

okay then

[buoyant roost]

assasin's quiver I can add 3 more

around 24% extra

does not sound like a lot 🙁

[flint turret]

move either

[serene crane]

I'd more points from Arrow Storm => Barrage of Pain for sure

[buoyant roost]

missile mastery I will remove @serene crane

but arrow storm also yeah

[flint turret]

or crit multi from the right

doesnt matter much

[serene crane]

Also Copper ring base for %crit chance, should help a bit

[buoyant roost]

let me check that ring.

[flint turret]

dont bother

just max crit mm passive and move points in shuri

its fine

the issue with low inc remains tho

[buoyant roost]

no checking increased vs flat on ocareon

[flint turret]

too bad its not 210% inc on a bow

[buoyant roost]

according to this the incerased should be better a bit

[buoyant roost]

210% increase on a bow? you mean the affix wielding a bow or?

[flint turret]

t7 inc

light damage

[buoyant roost]

ah right 🙁

[flint turret]

with weaver it would have fixed inc entirely since you use it anyway

alco some passive adjustments

remove entirely you dont need it

[buoyant roost]

where to put?

[flint turret]

drop to 1

remove this too

[buoyant roost]

sure

[flint turret]

5 in raptor wings falconer

[buoyant roost]

5 left 😄

6*

[flint turret]

how are survivng anyway

[buoyant roost]

skills 😄

[flint turret]

just spam decoy and offscreen?

[buoyant roost]

for monoliths at 500 c its easy

everything just dies

[flint turret]

ah 500c makes sense

[buoyant roost]

there's no reason for me to push more honestly.

but I could do 700-800 I think

[flint turret]

exp is considerable better higher

deminishing returns hit hard only later