🔪┃rogue

[cyan wren]

If u suffer on Bladestorm while leveling idk what to tell u.

Its the best skill to level on dog gear.

[rigid stratus]

what is the combo for this?

or like which buttons need to be pressed first or what are you looking for specifically before recalling blades etc

[tawny dagger]

I cant seem to find a shadow dagger build online without a whole bunch of uniques. Any recommendations? Was thinking of blade frenzy umbral blades

[bronze birch]

I dunno if I wanna take my bladedancer or spellblade build to high ubers 😰

might try Artifice of Devastation of see if that pushed it over the edge for me

[cyan wren]

Flow needs 5 different "damaging" active skills self casted to trigger (it triggers on 5th cast)

1. Smoke Bomb + Aerial Assault = 2
2. Umbral Blades combo = 3 (its 1 skill but has 3 casts)

In terms of when you want to recall blades:

1. At least 20 Dusk Shrouds
2. 8 Smoke Blades
3. Ideally Julra's up (but I've noticed sometimes I one shot him even without Julra's buff)
4. And of course you're inside Smoke Bomb and on top of boss.
5. Most important is Falcon Strike (Falcon abilities dont steal flow stacks) before the final 5th recall cast.

Basically you're gonna have to have your eyes on the buff bar all the time.
Gonna take lots of time to practice but once u watch your own recorded tries you learn.

It will get so easy once u master. I one shot him 10 times in a row last session.

[rigid stratus]

do u think penumbra is any good for the build or is julras just always going to be better

[cyan wren]

julra's better since you're relying on precise timing anyways.

triple T7 dex on each is more umbral blades shat by the razorfall.

[rigid stratus]

i generate so many fewer dusk shrouds than you do, i need to figure that part out first 😛

[cyan wren]

But thats just for the one shot version. Juse has the tanky map version that u dont have to do any of the shit listed above. Julra's are not needed for non 1 shot version.

[covert cairn]

if you boost damage a lot you can make a it a lot more consistent also.

[covert cairn]

I really did find getting more damage helped for my bad timing:P

[cyan wren]

u got a clip where u 1 shot him with fvcked timing?

In my case I never one shot him without good timing and my gear is not bad.

[tawny dagger]

nevermind it seems slagstorm and blade frenzy is counter intuitive because it eats my actual umbral blades that have shadow daggers

[covert cairn]

nope. but i wrecked uber a bunch of times

[cyan wren]

Im not talking about killing him but one shot.
U can still kill him without the 1 shot.

We were talking about the one shot pull.

[covert cairn]

sent me link to character and ....
Q=aerial assault
W= Dive Bomb
E= Smoke Bomb
R= Falcon strike
Right mouse click =umbral strike

1)go to uber. before he can take damage hold Q, W,E
2when lazer come walk to move away to place it
3) Move close to Uber and stop holding Q,W,E
4)right click umbral strike twice
5) click R for Falcon strike
6)Right click umbral strike and kill uber.

[covert cairn]

instant dead in opening phase :p

[cyan wren]

Yes but it seems like you doing the precise timing without knowing it.

[covert cairn]

i practiced a lot and I did need to upgrade my damage.

more damage = less perfection needed.

[austere shadow]

Can show link your gear beyond when do it? All 1 lp?

[covert cairn]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Vuthia/character/slicer
this is what i ultimately made my gear, a lot of probly not reachable seasonal but you can get a lot of it still. even 1t7 1t5

I found once i boosted my damage a lot, the chest alone was insaneeee the damage increase.

i only was able to kill uber in the lp1 gear once it was brutal, once i had all this gear, it helped a lot, still miss but more consistent

[cyan wren]

1st clip is where i fvcked my rotation.
2nd is the perfect timing.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/twizzymafia/character/real_uber_abby_carry my gear.

[covert cairn]

I can see what you are doing wrong.

[cyan wren]

Man like i told u. If i do it wrong i dont one shot him.

So u did it right to one shot him. U didnt do anything wrong.

I know what i did wrong in 1st clip resulting of not 1 shotting him.

[covert cairn]

yeah it's tough

[cyan wren]

So i dont believe your argument saying more gear means u dont need perfect timing/rotation is right.

This build 1 shots on 1LP or 4LP just the same.
u just need to do the timing and rotation right.

[covert cairn]

so I treat it as a system like what i posted.

[surreal sedge]

detonating arrow is the one with the unique to make it a melee skill right?

[covert cairn]

I didnt like the falcon strike in second slot and put 4th

that is pure preference.

once i get close to uber, stop holding the 3 down. hit umbral twice, falcon strike, then umbral. This gave me the highest success in the long run

Just by breaking it into steps.

but you do need to be super quick with umbral, falcon strike umbral or you lose too much shroud etc

[covert cairn]

100% 1LP or 4LP it one shots but more damage just more forgiving if you are missing 1-4 shrouds. etc

[cyan wren]

Well if u say it like that I agree with you.

[covert cairn]

1LP you reallly gotta get the timing down really good.

That is how i do it at least, everyone will have their own way, but i struggle with mixing holding down buttons then timing falcon strike with umbral strike.

so i just stop holding them.

[rigid stratus]

finally got my first redring do you think for juse tank version, dex > throwing damage all day right?

cuz razorfall?

[cyan wren]

Yes Dex is priority over Throw dmg.

its 20 dex = plus 1 Umbral. So pay attention to your dex number so u can reach breakpoint.

and craft your gear accordingly.

[rigid stratus]

where you can get it cooldown > dex > throwing damage as far as i can tell

[cyan wren]

Yes cd is huge DPS.

u want T7 on belts and boots.

[serene crane]

I just skipped the shift entirely, sustaining mana easily now with traversal Smoke Bomb, -10mana Rend while in Smoke, -4 from nodes; and 5mana on dodge from Falconer...a bit of mana regen from stuff around and its fine, only the early lvls were a bit meh, nothing some mana regen from random gear around wouldnt fix tho

But no dagger, so no Shadow Daggers from Umbrals for me... maybe I could just swap it for Decoy and call it a day

Outside the low life uniques, If you have some spammable skill that spawns shadows, Ward on Shadow creation is big

If you dont have any other boots, ye I guess it works... the damage is only to high health enemies, you'll lose it 😄 Tabi is just better for sure

If you dont use Night's Aproach, so you move around with Rend, maybe even Vaion could be decent option... all resists, 1% inc. dmg per 1% movement speed and once every 3seconds your Rend does up to 40% more damage

[dusty olive]

Are tabi even that good?

[cyan wren]

U want it mainly for free +1 shadow.

which is huge.

[dusty olive]

arent we basically insta capped always anyway? I see my shadows go 0-> 5 -> 0 -> 5

I odnt have the chest yet :(

and dont even mention the glove champ thing, ill never get a good roll of that lol

[cyan wren]

I mean it makes the most sense anyways with all its stats litearlly helping shadows.

Crafting my gear atm. This is like +3 max shadow on gear alone.

[dusty olive]

if shadows arent capped at higher shadow max i can understand the boots

otherwise the stats seem pretty mid

obv more shadow = more better

[cyan wren]

whats the better boots in your opinion.

[dusty olive]

well i dont know really, ive been looking around for boots

the flay ones seem decent with attack speed, more dam on cascade only while healthy but nice and then also has the movespeed

[serene crane]

If you have that Shadow Cascade as the big damage then for sure 😄 bit of health, DoT reduction, also Tabi no longer moves you with Rend, so you miiight save 2 points from the tree? idk, havent tried Tabis myself yet

[cyan wren]

You can look up on database. I believe people arlready researched before concluding the shadow boots.

[dusty olive]

attack speed is more rends and more multiplier on cascade

[cyan wren]

I dont really remember any boots thats gonna help with shadows.

or dmg that scales with our mechanic.

Flay one makes sense.

Wait this is critical.

Your melee shadow actually gets more dmg.

[dusty olive]

no?

only if youre using a bow

which you wont be

[cyan wren]

ur right i read wrong.

[serene crane]

Zerrick for SD => then Tabi If the ranged shadow hits and applies SD stacks
Vaion for Rend without Night's Aproach
Skin If you dont have anything else I'd say... or just go with t7 attack speed on gloves instead?
Stymied If you play shift, also Doom for increased melee dmg taken

[cyan wren]

anyways im too restarted to think so im just gonna follow what most people do.
Dmg seems so big so optimization can wait later.

Tabi still makes most sense to me.

and it looks cool.

[dusty olive]

I can 100% see tabis being best if shadow generation doesnt keep up, cant deny that

[cyan wren]

Wait also its really good on Uber.

So u dont accidentally fvck yourself other leaping around.

[dusty olive]

i just take the point in the tree

[serene crane]

Yea I guess you still want that node even with Tabis, just for the range 🤔

now I remembered... I might just yeet Umbrals away and get Shurikens for Bladestorm too for the phys res shred and bit more bleed stacks for Jormun's sword = more crit multi

[cyan wren]

Generating 2 shadows instead of 1 when u have close to 10 max shadows is huge difference.

[serene crane]

Yeah, shadows all over the place... and with Doppel relic and Unending Twilight

[cyan wren]

This shjt died before I could finish the suffixes.

But at least I got prefixes almost maxed.

and the base is huge.

[serene crane]

Crafting the set items will be interesting...

[cyan wren]

wait speaking of Tabi and now mentioning Doppelganger's Relic.
the bow shadow gets consumed so it actually synergies with set Relic.

[bronze sequoia]

does anyone know if ravager's dart cooldown can be reduced by cdr?

thinking of using heartseeker as a means of procing crimson shrouds instead of relying on the stupid black arrows

[serene crane]

Does the bow shadow gets enough time to attack before being consumed by Shadow Massacre? 🤔 or because I dont use bow myself, the shadow wont get consumed by the trait at all

[serene crane]

Mmmm, you cant reduce item cooldowns by the cooldown on your gear unless something has changed in 1.3/1.4... cdr on gear only works on the skills you use yourself

[bronze sequoia]

bummer, well, 3 seconds shouldnt be too bad given the curve chance bonus from the helmet

also I should probably clarify that im running multishot marksman

I was thinking of experimenting with shadow rend since on paper it looks like you can make a multishot build with auto-aim and even dashes

but im not sure how viable the build would actually be

[serene crane]

I think @ TriKster has played something with Rend and Multishot and wasnt really excited by it; you can check it on youtube

[bronze sequoia]

yeah I saw, dw, he's my go-to source of rogue info atm

[cyan wren]

It attacks 1 time then gets consumed after.

I think so.

I see the line so I assume thats the bow attack.

[serene crane]

Should be yea... so it should apply 2 stacks of SD... huge

[bronze sequoia]

oh yeah btw is low life lightning chakram bladedancer any viable still?

[cyan wren]

I won the slam.

that thing would be nuts on Razor tho.

T6+T7

[serene crane]

Probably yea, Bladestorm with lightning chakrams might be also fun? 🤔

[bronze sequoia]

thats what I was thinking

could fix the clunkiness of sync strike

[tawny dagger]

sword thrower on umbral blades mean none of the "additional blade thrown" nodes will work right?

[serene crane]

I havent played that myself so idk really much.... buuut with bladestorm+shurikens Ive played bleed a bit in lower corruptions which was pretty fun and easy, just to keep the mana up I ended up with 0mana Net spam and Sapping Strikes

[cyan wren]

This dont count as "Complete" set right?

[serene crane]

Nope

[serene crane]

but crafting this would be pretty cool 😄

[rigid stratus]

would converting my dex to guile ruin the dex umbral bonus from razorfall?

[uneven gull]

Guile counts as Dex for all these things as I know

[half nova]

It just replaces the innate effect of dex (the dodge)

[cyan wren]

What Beska said. It dont ruin your original dex scales.

just adds on top.

[serene crane]

Just no more dodge from dex

[cyan wren]

it only the dodge.

[rigid stratus]

that's what i thought ty ty 🙏

[uneven gull]

How does leveraged momentum interact with dagger dance in shadow cascade? Does throwing attack speed interact with it?

[flint turret]

The issue with tabi is that it disables moving. You can't attack-move with it for monos while you can do this with flay

Both work but the gameplay is totally different

Also I think wings of argentus damage reduction works when you rend moving, to it's really nice body to have when converted to fire

[rigid stratus]

is there a way to search my stash for stats on a specific item type? like "dexterity but only on gloves"? sry, not really rogue specific but yea

[serene crane]

Mmmm, yea, but still its probably better to keep the points for range Rend for clearing? I'll get to Tabi today, so we'll see

[serene crane]

Just by checking planner, the daggers from Dagger Dance should still get more damage from melee attack speed even tho you can remove the melee attack from Cascade 😄 it just wont convert the "melee attack speed" to throw for Leveraged Momentum... at least just by looking at it like this I guess thats how it would work tbh

[flint turret]

I'm not a fan of tabi clearing gameplay tbh

I'm melting bosses but monos are not great

It takes too long for shadows generation for them to be able to cascade

And you don't even move while casting it

You literally just move and stand and wait

Maybe it's because I'm playing melee, ranged should have it better with extra range

But I'm not gonna craft all those reforgeds so whatever

[serene crane]

Yea it felt a bit awkward after I picked Night's Aproach 😄 a bit like back with LM, surely it wont be something horrible to get used to

[flint turret]

I didn't get used to it, I liked moving better

I'm dying sometimes in 500 corr even just because I need to stand near enemies every time without dealing actual damage or having ward gen for a couple of seconds

[serene crane]

also Argentus is for sure cool for the fire cascade... but you cant really convert Rend to fire for the +2, right? 🤔

[flint turret]

You get ward only when the "actual" shadow spawns after it completes rend attack after a delay

[serene crane]

yea Im sure its gonna end up pretty much like that, especially in some juiced Omens

[flint turret]

No only lightning

[uneven gull]

So your read is that you want to scale melee attack speed if you go for dagger dance rather than throwing attack speed?

[flint turret]

It's actually the opposite, I'm immoral while I'm attacking and standing. It's running and clearing what's the issue

I can even outtank Uber Abby burning ground

If I'm attacking

Only way you can die is from a stunlock or damage higher than uber

[serene crane]

Yea pretty much 🤔 getting "attack speed" should also be just as good since it counts for melee+throw+bow (eh I think bow too)

[flint turret]

Yeah attack speed is bis on this I got it on weapon and glove. I would also get it on other weapon probably if I wasn't using set sword(but it already has 24%)

Funny enough I ended up using set sword even tho I planned to use reen. Reen seemed worse in both combinations

[serene crane]

The simple trick is to just not die... but yea I get what you mean 😄 Im still at lvl 54 so its gonna take a bit for Uberroth anyway, If I get there, but probably yea the damage so far seems super good

[flint turret]

Set+reen I'm lacking crit and +2
Reen+tongue I'm lacking 20% more from set and some flat crit
Set+tongue is what worked the best on dummy

[serene crane]

Maybe Reen for some funny Ignite Rend with Maehlin? 😄

[flint turret]

Indeed I had plans for ignite cascade with embers

Dunno if I end up building it tho

[serene crane]

by set you mean Kuzon? tbh that sword just looks good af

[flint turret]

And not with rend but rather dancing

[flint turret]

Jormund

Kuzon looks pretty bad for hit damage

But for clear it should be better maybe yeah

Just because of aoe

[serene crane]

Yea Jormund is sweet... I'll try to get some more bleed chance from Bladestorm+Shurikens for the crit multi

[flint turret]

I had enough from bd shred passive and couple of nodes in rend

Passive wasn't even maxed

And crimson shrouds on hit ofc

[serene crane]

tbh I havent really paid enough attention it that yet, everything just dies instantly in campaign and I wasnt playing with shurikens yesterday either, just Jormund axe+sword

sushi Lagoon died in like 2 seconds... still phased 💀

[flint turret]

How do you implement shurikens in that

[serene crane]

Smoke bomb => self bladestorm with shuris => Rend => stuff dies

I most likely dont need Umbrals there since I dont have dagger for SD procs if that even works, no idea tbh

[flint turret]

I was thinking about other weapon types like axes or sceptre for fire. Hakar phoenix looks decent, sceptre for 42% more fire damage, but they are running into the issue if capping crit easily because passives for crit work only with swords and daggers, and also cascade loses 15% more, so I dropped the idea

[flint turret]

I had umbrals with bleed nodes and explosion for jormund too

And sd

Maybe bladestorm can do the same, but it's 1 extra button for unclear reason

If anything I'd rather get sync for 10 mana and another invulnerability

I was planning to do it for easy Uber but I didn't even needed to

[serene crane]

I think the build from SMK had Firestarter scepter? idk, Hakar looks better still 🤔

[flint turret]

Silver shroud, invul on lm, invul on sync

[flint turret]

Yeah because he's throwing

[serene crane]

Bladestorm would pretty much be just for bosses, everything else should melt fast

[flint turret]

Tbh I'd rather get velocyn on throwing probably

[serene crane]

I havent really checked Sync/LM for this... I guess you can pretty much fit whatever... explo trap didnt feel any good tho

[flint turret]

Umbrals are also mainly for bleed on bosses, but without a button press

[flint turret]

It does chill-shreds-shock-dusks-bleeds, it's fine

If you are not fire it's not crucial but still nice just because no need to press anything again

[serene crane]

How many stacks tho? If umbrals hit 200 to max the bonus from Jormund, then its good 😄

[flint turret]

I was over 200

Without shred bd passive maxed

[serene crane]

Ezpz then 🤔

[flint turret]

yeah if boss doesnt move its fine

if he does, it wont help you anyway because cascades will miss anyway

[serene crane]

It shoudl re-apply fast enough anyway

To minmax stuff later on, I should probably drop one set completion anyway to get a dagger for SD procs from Umbrals I guess

[flint turret]

to minmax you drop relying on sd kekw

[serene crane]

not like this

[uneven gull]

What does your belt look like? What was the opportunity cost of using the belt set affix for it? Unless I misunderstood.

[flint turret]

just the maxed out set. i had a few decent corruptions into reforges from it but didnt use any just to keep it as basic and budget for uber as possible

ideally you would want something like reforged with t7 hybrid\t5 cdr\t5 mana regen+set shard i guess

and endurance corruption or health increase

shouldnt be that hard to make but i really prefer not ctafting exalteds unless i have to

oh yeah experimental traversal is also nice

[serene crane]

t7 %fire is too greedy? 😄

[flint turret]

its fine too i guess, i did slam one of the rings with it because i had a felling i have enough surv already

i didnt know what to use for the other ring from syphon. i didnt have red ring, and i didnt have penumbra and i didnt have decent rolled ashes. i could use nomad but i thought i dont really need surv anymore, and i didnt want crab for uber because no evade. thats how i ended up with oceareon

[buoyant roost]

Dancing Strikes not having increate base crit Node is blasphemy 🙁

[flint turret]

and i turtled all sunwreath rings so i didnt have 1lp left

[flint turret]

its too point starved already, no need for it tbh

just getting rhythm and arena leaves you with nothing

[serene crane]

Julra could be nice? 🤔

[flint turret]

not a fan

[buoyant roost]

Yeah, indeed. But I wanted to build the combo of Jormund + Kuzon set, but it's impossible cause I can't build crit. Maybe some DoT build

[serene crane]

wanna be my lab rat for Maehlin ignite DS?

[flint turret]

constant 10% more and 4% less damage taken seems better than julra when im spamming smoke traversal anyway

[flint turret]

jormund has flat crit on it

discord body also

set weaver amulet too

reforged weapons also

curruptions on relic\rings for crit per dex

weaver enchants for crit

[buoyant roost]

Not the axe. I need the axe because the set bonus says need to use different weapons. Kuzon is also a sword.

[flint turret]

right...

[buoyant roost]

This was my initial idea. But sadly realized the set is only good for weapons 🙁

it would be really good otherwise. I could merge WW items + 3 sets

[buoyant roost]

what's this?

[flint turret]

primordial

[serene crane]

Jormund axe+Kuzon sword, crafted Jormund belt with t7 cdr, unique beast ring for sets, weaver amulet? 🤔

[flint turret]

or you just use reforged with flat crit

[buoyant roost]

what's a reforged lol. I have 2000 hours btw 😄

[buoyant roost]

Yes, but the weavers set onyl gives bonuses to weapons legendary affixes

[flint turret]

reforged set

make axe exalted set

it stats suck anyway

you can choose a better base

this one

[buoyant roost]

I'm thinking now to remove the Jormund's Axe, only keep the 2 set bonus and make a weaver's Will item

[serene crane]

You'd probably care more about the 1% crit per 40atributes and bonuses from completed set by the unique beast ring... +1 to skills If you can reach 120 atributes

maybe Logi amulet If you go fire DS with Kuzon sword 🤔 2-3% fire crit, leech from fire

[buoyant roost]

I can reach 120 attributes, no issue, although big part of it is the jormund axe (+10 on str and dex)

[buoyant roost]

worth checking.

I also considered Ruby Fang's Set, instead of Jormund. but I think 20% more meele damage beats I think +1 fire damage per 5% poison resist. Also Jormund set 3 bonus is just 10% crit multi. Very weak?

I feel like it should be 100% at least lol

[flint turret]

its supposed to be weak to make you only use it for 2

im not joking thats the actual responce from devs

[buoyant roost]

What was the item to convert bleed/poison into ignite.

Hubris gloves was it

ah its bleed conversion only.

[serene crane]

There should also be a champion affix for that

on a weapon, at least Ive seen it on a dagger

Behold, the abomination !
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkYb26NO

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Rogue (29) / Bladedancer (65) / Falconer (19)

General:

▸ Health: 1,982, Regen: 23/s
▸ Mana: 218.9, Regen: 11.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 46%, Regen: 30/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 29 Dex / 23 Int / 10 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 48% / 12% / 12% / 27% / 12% / 33% / 58%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 515
▸ Dodge Chance: 48% (1803)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,758)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 71%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shurikens / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Explosive Trap

[buoyant roost]

That ring spends so much mana

Kephlan's

Tried with it, didn't work. 😄 but im following that idea

[serene crane]

oh, I didnt think of that at all

[buoyant roost]

but keep jormunds axe

it has bleed on it puls you get 20% more damage with set (should work with dot)

[serene crane]

Yea its probably better, the original idea was just to pump as many points into DS as possible

[buoyant roost]

Also Kelthan Blasting Agent for relic?

I think this might work XD

Keltan has ignite on throwing, and you throw burning daggers with Kuzon

[serene crane]

and extra fire pen, should work for igntie too If I remember correctly

[buoyant roost]

I will try to go for ignite based build. lets see

[white knoll]

Yo, how's rogue this season?

[serene crane]

oh I still got DS specced with shadow daggers, a lil mistake form the previous version that had double Atropos swords... could ditch 1 Kuzon sword, swap relic, remove one point from some DS trait aaaand it should be fine... possibly the ring, that would be another -1 to skills

it already has 8/8 weapons of choice so Jormund+Kuzon sword is 180% bleed=>ignite... 😄

[snow belfry]

since when does acid flask have a base cooldown? thought it was 0, says so on lastepochtools anyway and didnt see any mention in patch notes

[serene crane]

Falconer deletes Uber Aberroth, Bladedancer is strong with Rend and Cascade, Marksman is kinda lacking from what people say here

[white knoll]

so they still can't 'fix' falconer lmao 😄

[serene crane]

Did you spec into Poison Pools? That adds 2s, then maybe some cdr around and you get 1.8

[snow belfry]

unspecced, this is base

thought I said base

[buoyant roost]

Base has no cd?

just testing it live.

[snow belfry]

removed all gear too

[serene crane]

mb, reading is hard :p

[buoyant roost]

I don't even get that showing, cooldown 😄

[snow belfry]

testing it live, no gear no passives no nodes taken and I have 2 second cooldown for some reason

and in fact its not just a tooltip, it goes on cooldown

[buoyant roost]

must be something....

[snow belfry]

relogged and now its gone

[buoyant roost]

can you share your char ?

[serene crane]

Weird... but 2s is pretty much Acid Pools.. could be somehow bugged? 😄 try making a new char If the cooldown is there too

[snow belfry]

wtf

[buoyant roost]

your RAM memory kept the old entry? 😄 haha

[snow belfry]

too late for that, relogged and now the cooldown is gone

I thought I was going insane

I will try to make an in-game bug report with all the deets but man that was something else

a random 2 second cooldown appears out of nowhere and sticks

[serene crane]

Reminds me of channeled Flurry where your attack speed somehow ramped up into crazy numbers

[snow belfry]

its not the same but got some wolcen vibes right there, but sure wolcen was on another level, most passive nodes didnt either work properly if at all 😄

that was just a previously taken node's bad portion sticking even when unspecced

[serene crane]

I went through Wolcen with a friend in a coop... what an experience that was 💀

[snow belfry]

dont wanna go more into off-topic but man, that was a lot of bugs

all rogue skills feel terrible while leveling compared to bladestorm

I can choose any of the zeroes or I can choose one that is a thousand

[serene crane]

Im enjoying lvling with Rend rn... just the early lvls were a bit meh because of the mana, just need biiig weapon to 1-2 shot stuff 😄

[buoyant roost]

Why did you put the Cooldown Recovery Speed on Ash Wake @serene crane

[flint turret]

i liked rend sd leveling too, you one-shot rares with 2 stacks from sd hit and 3 ghost blades thrown and just move on

[serene crane]

so you cycle through DS faster

[buoyant roost]

Does the Dancing Strike still gets moer attacks because of it? (thought htat was changed)

[serene crane]

ehhh

no idea tbh 😄

[buoyant roost]

let me get the patch notes somewhere 😄

[flint turret]

sadly ive seen no one yet buildong mm based on shuriken on bow crit neither for multishot not for hs

[serene crane]

Alriiiight, so it should just be better now 🤔

[flint turret]

everyone is just asking "why shuriken" and no one asks "how is shuriken"

[buoyant roost]

I'm still confused about this. What is red, what is green 😄

[serene crane]

red old, green new 😄

[serene crane]

Ive only tried some bleed/poison MM with Hail of Arrows and in 1.2 the bleed heartseeker where I didnt get into some high corruption or anything, so no idea... but the shuriken corruption could be fun with bleed Hs, probably a lot of bleed stacks while standing in Smoke bobm

big Puncture pops

[buoyant roost]

Testing it now live, seems attack speed improves how fast you move.

[serene crane]

then you could get t7 hybrid on boots/belt and t7 attack speed on gloves 🤔

[flint turret]

im talking about crit shurikens with full throw damage support using bow trigger just as a delivery system

multishot shoots 17 arrows, rend can multishot couple of times per attack given you have enough mana

[buoyant roost]

Yes. What I'm aiming for

[serene crane]

Any way to convert Hs to lightning or just cold?

[flint turret]

thats like 9 multishots per second that totals in like 60 crits per second if point blank or a big target. 19% of those trigger shurikens

and its much more when you shoot in packs of enemies with multishot pierce

[flint turret]

fire or cold

close to 20 shurikens casts per second should be decent dps to bosses

if its not i dont know whats even good

[serene crane]

I guess you just need to somehow sustain the mana, surely it can be fine 😄

[buoyant roost]

Can you make a build in Planner @flint turret

I played a lot of Marksman,

[flint turret]

im still cooking, made a couple but im not particulary satisfied yet

[flint turret]

im pretty sure i can

mountain boots make rend 0 mana

sapping strikes seal teh deal

i would try to avoid it tho, tried adding self-cast hs with charges and mana on recurve every 3 seconds, worked somewhat okayish too

i would prever to have tabi or mourningfrost instead

to have eitehr flat or trap on melee attach to shred res

dont know if phys or light shuri yet tho. phys is easier scaled for inctease ftom idols havinf phys throw increase while light can have flat from body\idols

[coarse grove]

does this make any difference for shurikens themselves? i have no idea why many people take it

[serene crane]

for the Bs hitrate... at least I run that on Bladedancer, doesnt affect shurikens, just a bit faster applying of bleed/whatever

[serene crane]

Corrupted Gathering Fury with the shuriken affix? idk what would be better dps wise, but sounds funny

[flint turret]

no, drelkors with multishot rend

gathering with hs tho

just from math this should melt uber abby

but no one does it so i havent seen it yet

And I'm a slow player to make 2 corrupted items with shuri fast

[serene crane]

Yea getting that corrupt could take a lot of tries... 😄 maybe just 1/2LP Drelkor slammed with t6 and hope for the corrupt, try how quick normal Abberoth/Observer melts and then try for better one?

hmmm, 64 legendary potencial... maybe just 1LP for the testing

[flint turret]

I have some random bows with this corrupt and even gathering fury but without a slam

And a t6 random quiver

[jagged sedge]

i can't kill julra in t4

one thing hits me and i die

[flint turret]

I guess I'll start with shuri hs testing

[jagged sedge]

how do I kille her

it's just impossible

[serene crane]

Oh quivers can roll that one too, damn and then t1-t7... the RNG will be fun...

[flint turret]

More damage and more ehp, that's pretty much it

Or dodge stuff

[jagged sedge]

guess i gotta find a lower level item so i can slam it in t3

it's literally impossible to dodge all this shit lol

most likely im squishy

[flint turret]

It is possible

[jagged sedge]

nah

[flint turret]

She has no instant attacks whatsoever

[lapis pumice]

What's the argument for scaling shuriken vs multi shotgun @flint turret ?

[jagged sedge]

she has the random lightning attacks, the cold cone

the void beam

all that together is impossible

[lapis pumice]

Prolly answered already but i'm on phone & curious xd

[flint turret]

None of them are instant, you can also time leap to dodge

[flint turret]

Wdym

[lapis pumice]

Like what's the benefit of going the extra shuriken step

Vs just scaling bow dam

[serene crane]

I usually try to stick close to her... when she throw the lightning aoe, run behind here, when she starts the cold cone, run behind here... I die more often the the void beams just because Im dumb and ran into them 😄 and unless you are super squishy, her auto attacks should not be insta kills

[jagged sedge]

her auto attacks aren't the issue

it's the beam and the combination of shit

ok I got her

just sticked close to her

time to slam this shit

neat

now I gotta farm a 1lp heart from dragon timeline boss

[serene crane]

Also smoke bomb with silver stack you can "ignore" some expected hits; or Coordinated Fate from Falconer might be easier too

[flint turret]

+infinite pierce
+No "80 less damage" penalty
+Easier to get throw flat over bow flat
+Lots of crit multi from lirskas
+Decent amount of "more" multies in shurikens tree
+Can convert to lightning and have even more flat from a body
+Flat from smoke
+More hits than just multishot for hp/shreds or even soulgambler ward or whatever
+Giga trigger amounts when multishoting packs of enemies in omens when multishot can pierce only 3
+Flat general crit on bow from the same corruption
+Aoe if converted to chakram

[jagged sedge]

I still haven't gotten a single astral blood with LP lol

bought two

what should I put in my imprints now

razorfall used to be there

do imprints work on items like astral

[serene crane]

Most likely not since its either vendor or rift boss drop

[jagged sedge]

didn'tt know there was a rift boss

How do you do that boss

[serene crane]

I mean, that beast 😄 I run all the beast nodes in weaver tree, it seems quite nice do farm it faster

In the Rift cave... Im not sure If those items can also drop from Rift Beasts that ambush you in echoes

[jagged sedge]

I got the increased crystallized heart chance

[serene crane]

Does the shuriken corruption procs multiple times when you say giga trigger in packs? 🤔 Not just once per multishot use that crits?

[flint turret]

like i said i havent tested it yet and no one did apparently

im not sure about specifics

it says per bow crit, not per per bow attack that crits

[serene crane]

I run all the nodes... more rifts in echoes where the rift beasts jumps out with a pack of other beasts, so they drop bones and the rift beasts also drops the currency... then the rift portals appear more often, so more bones, currency from the beast at the end, evolving more often

[serene crane]

It'd be really great if it worked like that... might be even interesting for the bleed build, possibly with Carrion of Creation, some big bleed explosions

[flint turret]

they cant be big they have no multipliers

[jagged sedge]

what build is using this tundra helm

[serene crane]

It just puts more bleed stacks to enemies around that would be still alive tho? Id probably still stick to Salt the Wounds I guess... 😄

[flint turret]

its per crit alright

single shot

[naive moth]

hey guys, someone playing Ballista? I just asked myself, when i use Smoke Bomb as a travelskill instead of Aerial Assault, will i still trigger the Tactician-Buff for my ballistas? Because it says, "After landing"

[serene crane]

Ehh, probably just If you can fit it, 400 armor and crit evasion is fine... I guess it used to be better before with Blade Shield shurikens, now you need to self-cast shurikens to get the armor buff... maybe If you want to get stats for Red Ring or something it could be nice

[jagged sedge]

is it a placebo effect that im suddenly doing better damage with more MS

[flint turret]

amazing that no one builds it ngl and everyone go "why would i need shurikens on bow crit"

its only 10 pints in multishot and not mm and no rend

and not drelkors

[jagged sedge]

what's this

[serene crane]

Im pretty sure that "after landing" is for Aerial only, which would go on cooldown If you use Smoke as traversal

[flint turret]

you litearlly can have triple the amount of shuriken over bladestorm shurikens and its not good enough somehow

[naive moth]

Its not going on cooldown, because I use the Storm on the Horizon-Node to remove the Traversel-tag

[serene crane]

If you unspec Chakram, would you throw all the shurikens to each target?

[flint turret]

yes

depending on what crit triggered it

[jagged sedge]

I still haven't bothered to use altars

[flint turret]

it goes to that target

[jagged sedge]

idk how it all works

[serene crane]

You'd still need to use Aerial to land to trigger that node

[crimson latch]

everything else > bow

always melee and throwing scaling way higher than any other rogue stuff

[flint turret]

its literally a bow build

[crimson latch]

i dont know just wanted to hate a little haha

yesterday saw lizard irl shadow rend bow build, looks good

[serene crane]

If anything it looks very funny... so maybe with good gearing it could be gooood

[flint turret]

wit hgood gearing its gonna be insane

[naive moth]

yeah i know, i do use it. But i will not fly with it anymore, thus not "landing", right? so it wont trigger the effect, even after using it as a skill. Or am i wrong?

[flint turret]

same as that throwing rend, but even more range

[jagged sedge]

omnis only drops from shade, right

Can't CoF it or whatever

Do you guys think I should spam ring prophecies for red ring?

[wary cedar]

that's literally the only thing CoF was made for

it's even in the name

CIRCLE

[flint turret]

all im saying im deeply dissapointed that this tech is entirely overlooked by everyone for no reason and i didnt have time to do it myself yet

and everyone is gushing over bladestorm shuriken instead

[serene crane]

No idea then tbh, would have to try it ingame 😄

[brittle blaze]

A lot of players play what build guides are made. So until people put out stuff about that, not a lot will care. There just isn’t as much content creation about builds in this game this season for some reason. Someone should make a video about it for sure.

[wary cedar]

did you forgot me? 😭

[flint turret]

i havent heard much about it from you tbh

any videos with decently geared char?

i can help optimize gear

[wary cedar]

i can do that once i get more gear

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGzbzyJz

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (71) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,885, Regen: 42.8/s
▸ Mana: 184.15, Regen: 12.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 86/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 165 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 8% / 110% / -56% / 106% / 80% / 85%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 618
▸ Dodge Chance: 47% (1728)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 14% (424)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 10%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Shurikens / Dark Quiver / Shadow Rend / Puncture

[wary cedar]

that's my current point (switched to my legacy hs so i need to get the survivabilty i had in mind as well as the throwing stuff)

[serene crane]

Yea Shade only... either in its own echo or woven echo... it can also drop from the Shade that ambushes you in echoes If you specced the node in weaver tree (just 200+ corruption)

[flint turret]

its still mostly a bow build

no lirakas no quiver shuri no throw affixes on gear

[wary cedar]

that's what i meant by "throwing stuff"

[flint turret]

no smoke for flat

yeah thats why im saying no one really did it yet, at least i havent seen one

and its dissapointing for how good the tech is and deserves attention

[wary cedar]

well some of the gear ain't easy to get

[snow belfry]

what is "a certain ability"? is it classified?

[flint turret]

certain meaning "any that you have put in that slot"

[wary cedar]

that's my planner i follow

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A21bpgnl

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (10) / Marksman (71)

General:

▸ Health: 1,541, Regen: 31.28/s
▸ Mana: 233.49, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 84%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 135 Dex / 17 Int / 17 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 58% / 71% / 88% / 86% / 58% / 80% / 85%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 308
▸ Dodge Chance: 54% (2139)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,284)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 50%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Puncture / Shurikens / Heartseeker / Dark Quiver

[serene crane]

from left to right, you press the most left one with 1 point = +6 health and 1 silver shroud; 2 points you press 1st = > 2nd and get +12 and 2 stacks

[snow belfry]

thank you

[snow belfry]

good clarification

[flint turret]

its a bit all over the place but somewhat makes sense

no smoke is pretty bad tho

and no hs shadow consume

[wary cedar]

i mean, reallocating passives or some skill nodes and stuff can always be done

[flint turret]

right

[serene crane]

Would Flip of a Coin work with the corruption and non-chakram shurikens? 🤔 ngl sounds very cool

[wary cedar]

traversal shadow rend feels nice for clearing echos
but i already thought about dropping puncture to get smoke or decoy

[flint turret]

it just looks to me as a planner that couldnt decide what to scale, bow or throw, and tried to do both with stuff that scales only 1 part each

[jagged sedge]

it's been like 4 nemesis eggs in a row without any LP procs, sometimes I hate this game

[flint turret]

lirakas dont scale bow, nightbringer dont scale shuri, etc

[wary cedar]

does the dmg amplifier on nightbringer against slowed enemies only work for bow?

[jagged sedge]

huge dps increase if I get LP on heart

[flint turret]

it does work for everything, but thats the basic implicit of quiver

[crimson latch]

how many shocks can be stack

[flint turret]

10

[crimson latch]

this combo would be useless then ?

[serene crane]

I guess traversal smoke => Rend proccing Multishot to crit to proc shurikens would just delete your mana?
maybe with Mountain boots?

[wary cedar]

as far as i see it all the stats i want scale for both, besides the added throwing dmg or am i missing something?

[jagged sedge]

5 now

[crimson latch]

@flint turret

[serene crane]

Why, you still get 40/60 crit multi and 10% more damage... I mean, not too crazy numbers it works? 🤔

[jagged sedge]

something has to be wrong with the heart of uhkeiros

can't get a single lp one

[flint turret]

why? its 60 multi if you need it

[serene crane]

Its not the most common thing to get tho

[flint turret]

one of the solutions yes

[jagged sedge]

I know, i'm just a bit disappointed lol

[flint turret]

dunno how you can have issues with finding 1lp, just spam 5-10 bosses with temporal stones, done

[jagged sedge]

a few more in my banks

none of them lp

[flint turret]

mg?

[jagged sedge]

im cof

[flint turret]

bro

you cant be serious

[jagged sedge]

?

im confused

[hallow apex]

Nemesis them tho?

[flint turret]

you dont have any temporal stones or what, kill the boss 5 times you gonna get one

it takes 5 min max

[jagged sedge]

that's what im doing

just taking a little longer than expected

[wary cedar]

did you pray to jesus?

maybe it will make it faster

[flint turret]

(or longer)

[jagged sedge]

no

maybe that's the issue

[wary cedar]

ya i think they added jesus in S4

so better just leave a prayer to him before you start grinding each time you start the game

[jagged sedge]

I like how shit drops like candy whenever you get that specific item and imprint i t

already got like 10 thief's tongue today

[wide yacht]

does flow work with a consistent ability such as bladestorm?

[jagged sedge]

what does luring a harbinger do again?

[wide yacht]

as in, once it's cast on the 4th flow, it retains damage bonus for the duration?

[flint turret]

it should yes

[jagged sedge]

does luring a harbinger increase the difficulty? better droprates etc?

this is ridiculous, died after killing a boss

they need to make the character immune

ffs

[serene crane]

At least now the loot around you goes with you If you die close to it...

[jagged sedge]

true

[serene crane]

MM passives and skill nodes might be all over the place, no clue about MM stuff... just crit, lightning shurikens and so on
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6rXOb5

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (24) / Marksman (61)

General:

▸ Health: 1,195, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 221.14, Regen: 10.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 27 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 30% / 30% / 15% / 0% / 15% / 20%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 239
▸ Dodge Chance: 13% (418)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (376)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 80%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Multishot / Shurikens

[flint turret]

im not sure if i want lightning or not

xithara is a good argument against

but ucenui is a good argument for it

[jagged sedge]

which one should I be using for LP2 Traitor's?

I assume the first one

[serene crane]

Well, higher number is usually better 🤓 flat physical might be better?

[jagged sedge]

The only flat physical is specifically for melee

i'm playing throwing

am I wrong?

[serene crane]

I just tried to throw some lightning stuff together... I guess it would work fine, it just looks squishy... maybe just t7 ward on shadow on body and call it a day... 2/2 Gathered Shadows is 80 ward per shadow's attack, so thats also a lil bit

[serene crane]

ah yea true...

[jagged sedge]

not bad

[flint turret]

ward on shadow creation body takes care of it mostly

[serene crane]

Might also get lucky with 2LP for another lightning to shurikens... could be some sweet damage

[flint turret]

too bad it synergyises terrible with mountain tho

i would really like to avoid mountain

and have doppel helm on me instead

[wary cedar]

we do no move rogues now?

[flint turret]

only way to make rend 0 manacost

[serene crane]

Yea Im not a big fan of just deleting my entire dodge...

[flint turret]

can be great to facetank uber tho

[serene crane]

Rend in Smoke would be 0mana, proccing sapping strikes so maintaining Multishot from Massacre shouldnt really be that hard, might be really fun trying out 😄 just need to get that corruption

[spare kindle]

Yo that coc looks nice

[flint turret]

Yeah that's the only reason to get mountain but I really don't wanna be a turret if I can avoid it

[crimson latch]

with 200 mana regen we gain 18 mana per attack

[flint turret]

The buff is not constant, you need to not move for a while

[flint turret]

If I will have 200 Regen I don't need that helm already I'm pretty sure kekw

[crimson latch]

😢 haha

[flint turret]

I don't wanna have more than 100 I think

[crimson latch]

this might be the most useless helmet ever? haha

[flint turret]

Dual red rings+nihilis give some Regen... No good places to slam it

All slots that can have it have throw damage available

[pulsar solar]

Whats your opinion about Shadow Rend? I’m disappointed

[spare kindle]

Any planners for it sir?

[flint turret]

Just some drafts I'm not satisfied with yet

[terse bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3m_2oWmRSY

[spare kindle]

Sadge

[wary cedar]

i have one, but it's not using shurikens as the main thing, rather just extra dps for heartseeker

[flint turret]

its much easier done on HS

but im going a long way with rend multishot which was dropped by most already by this time before i even started it

self-cast multishot can work easier too probably

[spare kindle]

Yes please

[wary cedar]

that's what i follow, skill nodes and passvies might be not optimized to the end but who cares abt that
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qb678jM9

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (10) / Marksman (71)

General:

▸ Health: 1,541, Regen: 31.28/s
▸ Mana: 233.49, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 84%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 135 Dex / 17 Int / 17 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 58% / 71% / 88% / 86% / 58% / 80% / 85%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 308
▸ Dodge Chance: 54% (2139)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,637)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 50%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Puncture / Shurikens / Heartseeker / Dark Quiver

[spare kindle]

Daym 2 reds

Ty sir

[wary cedar]

other rings work as well

[spare kindle]

Ye, too broke for reds :D

[wary cedar]

Ashes work if you swap the belt as well i could imagine, Heirloom, Oculus, Flames of Midnight will all work good as placeholders

i just prefer red rings since it makes maxing most res a no brainer

[spare kindle]

Got it thank you king

[wary cedar]

just be aware of me being stupid, so i actually got no clue what i m doing, better you look into it yourself xd

[spare kindle]

Ye I got no clue either

[wary cedar]

then just play the build you feel like does the most fun n stuff 👍

[flint turret]

something liek this maybe https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9Jg1nbE

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (65) / Falconer (14)

General:

▸ Health: 2,537, Regen: 35.36/s
▸ Mana: 162.55, Regen: 18.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 19 Dex / 10 Int / 10 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 97% / 97% / 72% / 57% / 84% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 1,003
▸ Dodge Chance: 58% (2418)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (709)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Multishot / Heartseeker

[flint turret]

wrong smoke tree whoops

• smoke blades

ill make phys one later to see the diff

[wary cedar]

what's the plan with the heartseeker there? do you plan using the auto heartseeker helmet?

[flint turret]

mana gain on recurve+sapping strikes+dragon fangs

if im low in mana i shoot it

[wary cedar]

sounds like to many buttons to click for me

[flint turret]

i just really want to avoid mountain boots

ehich is a much easier sulution

[wary cedar]

but can you not use the heartseeker helmet and have that mana regen going on by itself?

idk if that would be enough

[flint turret]

i somewhat can but its much less and blocks doppel

nwm actually you cant

both sapping and recurve are on direct use

[wary cedar]

sadge

i really love that helmet lol
i need to make a build with it one day

[flint turret]

technically we can get black arrows... 5 mana consume 10 mana gained, +2 pierce to multishot+couple of shadows and shrouds

ah nwm its 10 mana consume and 10 gain, net zero

okay we can actually use DA

8 mana gain on hit with it and some elemental pen for shuri

also free shock

no its too low

[wary cedar]

my first idea would 've been using full shadow set, and traversel rend autocasting multishot into shuris

[flint turret]

this offers no boss dps and no omen clear

[wary cedar]

and then you can cast some other spell directly for mana regen idk

[flint turret]

othervise a decent idea

[wary cedar]

well those are just three spells and you already got the traversal with it

might find something for the other two spells that would fix that

[flint turret]

maybe it makes sense to also add bladestorm

to traversal rend

[wary cedar]

ya that was i was thinking, but that's even more mana no? xd

[flint turret]

but thats not really a multishot or bow build at this point

[atomic vapor]

Lmao just saw potato's vid. Ragu you will never stop being wrong I swear

There's always a zero or 3 that slip in umbrals

Just casually

[flint turret]

what did i miss

[atomic vapor]

Potato oneshot Uber with recalls

[flint turret]

how does it make me wrong tho

[atomic vapor]

Wait what did I type

Never stop being right* 😭

My brain is offline rn

[flint turret]

yeah i had that pretty much in mind from the patch notes

recall with flow and falcon mark

[atomic vapor]

How did they keep messing it up I'm shocked

[flint turret]

i just didnt expect it to hit THAT hard

[atomic vapor]

I wonder if we will ever see true balance

[torn shard]

It’s an arpg balance never exists

[atomic vapor]

I'm sure we can still chill with such outrageous outliers

maybe it's by design at this point

[flint turret]

its fine, i just continue to pretend falconer dont exist

i dont want them to nerf umbrals id like to play selfcast umbrall recall without sword thrower on bd yet

[atomic vapor]

I'm sure he sniped some pretty beefy gear from league start mg, I doubt that oneshot is free

But it's still outrageous

[flint turret]

its full combo plays with julras

basically manastack DA 2.0

but it also clears

[atomic vapor]

Oh yeah that's definitely what it is I know

I just find it funny how things like this are still possible

If it were a new skill I'd get it

[flint turret]

its kinda new

flow is for sure

[atomic vapor]

Is this the first time we had a oneshot build that can also clear

Can't think of another

bear had trash clear, flay never had such kill speed, and the overhyped reflect could go sub minute Uber at best with 3lps

Damn falconer

[flint turret]

not really much changed since 1.0 overall for falconer

its just the tech switch rotation each season

[atomic vapor]

I was hoping with the drop nerfs things would be more contained

[torn shard]

I love falconer but i wish something else would take its place as most op class in the game lol

[atomic vapor]

Lich came pretty darn close s3

Basically immortal + good speed

[flint turret]

have you seen 1lp\sets cascade uber video i made? as expected they buffed it pretty hard

for no real reason

[atomic vapor]

I'll check it out. All I saw so far was juse's regular bladestorms which look very nerfed, I think he was critting for barely 100k with no shroud or something

And potato's just now

[flint turret]

DS has even more dps with cascade now from Mishas testings

[atomic vapor]

Does it feel good to play now

[torn shard]

I personally like dancing strikes a lot but I can why people wouldn’t like it, it’s a lot smoother than before

[flint turret]

i havent played it seriously yet but its much faster that i can say for sure

drains mana like crazy tho

[atomic vapor]

I've been playing a metric ton of hollow knight lately and I have a strong dislike for things that lock you into an animation

So DS not my fave

[torn shard]

Mana regen+the shadow cascade mana gain helps a lot

[crimson latch]

feels too clunky and buggy with DS i got stuck xd

[atomic vapor]

I can see the issue for clearing

[flint turret]

rend has similar issue

its not the best for clearing but its fine

[torn shard]

It works for me for omens because standing still is dangerous lol

[atomic vapor]

As long as you don't fall through the terrain still, and have your model stay in place because you're physically elsewhere, it should be fine

(that was s2 aerial assault)

Desync hell

[torn shard]

But sometimes it’s still so rippy I can mae shadows and hide in a corner and spam cascade

[flint turret]

yeah rend doesnt have that issue you just facetank everything

[wary cedar]

@flint turret maybe just implement multishoot with traversal shadow rend into normal heartseeker instead of puncture like this?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzjW49E

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (10) / Marksman (71)

General:

▸ Health: 1,541, Regen: 31.28/s
▸ Mana: 171.09, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 84%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 135 Dex / 17 Int / 17 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 58% / 71% / 88% / 86% / 58% / 80% / 85%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 308
▸ Dodge Chance: 54% (2139)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,637)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 50%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Multishot / Shurikens / Heartseeker / Dark Quiver

[flint turret]

maybe... but i really want ot make a multishot based build

i know hs can work pretty well with shurikens too

i just want to see a hyndred of chakrams flying out of me per second in triple omen echo

am i asking too much

[wary cedar]

i mean with heartseeker + the recurves and the passives multishoots going on

should be the max shuris you can get with that affix no?

[flint turret]

multishot has much bigger potential

it pierces

[wary cedar]

with bigger potential comes bigger mana cost or something like this lol

[flint turret]

that 17 arrows pierce 3 enemies

and hit each

or even more with champion affix gloves

[wary cedar]

but what does it do for bossing then?

heartseeker would be better with that then no?

[flint turret]

i dont think hs can hit 17 times on average

its more like 8

[wary cedar]

does multishot shotguns?

[flint turret]

yes

[wary cedar]

ah ok ok

[flint turret]

well, with a specific node that is

[wary cedar]

hmm idk if i would like to have that in my setup tho

maybe if i use this

but will need a lot of mana as well then lol

[flint turret]

im not liking the mana sustain im seeng now with tabi boots

without some mana back on hit it looks unrealistic

or without mountain

[pine hatch]

https://youtu.be/iJ7cYuBPnj0?si=L411fiJhR3BWaCOf

Boys acid flask back on the menu

I think with all T7 inc area for acid this should blast the whole screen

[flint turret]

uber damage is like 1lp rend cascade but clear looks great

[pine hatch]

Bro don't even bring rend cascade

[kind adder]

Tf is this lmao

[pine hatch]

Sry I shouldn't say that I uploaded it first

Have fun while it last

[serene crane]

you were 50:50 being right there... or 50:50 being wrong?

[wary cedar]

is there nothing else for mana in this game lmao

[halcyon crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979537337627344946/1480719173930975292/11021857538352715872.gif

techically'

[flint turret]

Not for the amount multishot is draining with rend it seems

Falcon can potentially deal with mana

But I'd prefer to stick with mm

Or even bd

Bd with mountain might be the play

5 shadows instead of 3

[serene crane]

lowlife umbral shift?

[flint turret]

Lowlife is terrible for bows

2 important passives give health on hit

[serene crane]

Ideal then, time to make it good

[flint turret]

And without smoke cdr traversal it will take forever to start shooting

Since you can only do that in smoke

[serene crane]

True, sounds about right...

[flint turret]

also 1m gold for mastery swap is killing me bro i need my tabs

[serene crane]

Some mana Altar probably wouldnt make any big difference?

[flint turret]

why cant we pay favor for respecs

[serene crane]

Or just multiple ways to do it... gold, favour, some item from t4 Julra, Aberroth, Observer, Uberroth... the easier the lower chance to drop such item

[bronze sequoia]

are there any good alternatives to these boots if im playing multishot marksman?

I dont seem to benefit from them basically at all because im constantly on the move

[serene crane]

Standing still for the mana reduction is kinda the major part

[flint turret]

oh wow

you wont believe what ive found

[bronze sequoia]

ik but I did find a more convenient way of dealing with mana

which might seem unconventional

but it works

[wary cedar]

mana potions?

[bronze sequoia]

no

[shrewd dome]

Hey guys do I calculate my shuriken crit chance by adding my character sheet throw crit and any+bonuses from the tree?

[bronze sequoia]

this + heartseeker

[serene crane]

It better be 4LP Mountain boots

[flint turret]

all this applies to a multishot triggered by rend

its literally per manacost

even if you spend 5 from rend on it

and the skill i get 34 more

[bronze sequoia]

ooO

ok but how is the gameplay like?

[flint turret]

so the 0 manacost rend mounting is definetly on a table with a pure multishot even

[serene crane]

DAMN

[bronze sequoia]

thats a big bladestorm

[serene crane]

my lil warpath bot

[turbid oar]

for shadow cascade do yall think dancing strikes is better or just use shadowrend?

[bronze sequoia]

trickster said that dancing strikes can feel clunky due to an issue with movement on it

so im not really sure

[crimson latch]

i demand -bow cost attack + bow flat dmg on rings.

bow builds are too way behind

[turbid oar]

ive kinda played both but I waffle between them tbh

main thing I dont like about dancing strikes is that it really feels like you need like 26+ points in it to extract max value

[main cape]

so i really want to do uber abberoth and I am playing a dancing blades/bladestorm/shuriken build but I'm kinda worried about the precision of dancing blades, any advice? I feel like i move all over the place and it's going to create issues in a mechanic intense fight. Should I just bite the bullet and plan for a different build?

[serene crane]

Yea its a bit crazy for points

[flint turret]

okay so

it means we can get tons of more multies on cascade triggered by rend

this would apply to cascade manacost which is 15

nwm its not that much uness some weird ass str stack

9 more for 30 str

[turbid oar]

sacrificing the armour seems kinda not great no? ig it doesnt make that much of a diff since you dont have much strength on rogue

[serene crane]

Depends on the build and then how you manage mechanics, surely its possible to do

[flint turret]

yeah i missed that they nerfed brutality number at some point

it was higher initially during reveals

[wary cedar]

maybe the patch in an hour will fix your mana problems guys xd

[bronze sequoia]

there is a patch?

[wary cedar]

no, i lied

[bronze sequoia]

april fools

[wary cedar]

imagine it's your birthday today

[serene crane]

Imagine If LE somehow knew its your birthday, you see 4LP Red Ring on the ground so you pick it up and it turns into 0LP Crab ring

[turbid oar]

i find that with low life shift + umbral i dont have mana issues on cascade but idk

[wary cedar]

tbh if you would ever find a lp4 red ring you will die trying to find the perfect slam lmao

[carmine kelp]

should i risk corrupting this?

[wary cedar]

if you ask yourself if you should corrupt something, the answer will always be yes

[serene crane]

Could just slam it with only T5's to make people angry

[wary cedar]

and then make it a server event to corrupt it when everyone is watching

that would be so cool lmao

[wild merlin]

which can have more melee range, flurry or puncture

[turbid oar]

i dont think ive ever seen a melee build use flurry past early levels ngl

[flint turret]

does this work on the first potion mana gain?

or only on the second one

i guess second only

[wild merlin]

fair but answer? also i think i have

[flint turret]

yeah but what about mana regen part

[wild merlin]

which would have maybe more melee range

[flint turret]

it lasts 4s

it will still be 100% or 200%

[wary cedar]

i say no

but you can jsut test it or?

[flint turret]

do erased can even get experimental lol?

[serene crane]

Double potion hit it is then

[flint turret]

i havent used weaver items ever

[wild merlin]

im mostly a throwing attack build but i need some melee. i want the most ranger on my melees

[serene crane]

Cant say Ive seen a weaver item with experimental affix yet 🤔

[cobalt mantle]

No. Although maybe it is possible for a corruption to add it?

[serene crane]

Damn, +1 shadow but the rest is just bad

[wary cedar]

would be so funny for corrupting if they had negativ affixes

like -2 shadows

[serene crane]

Maybe with Nihilis? 😄

I always wanted Nihilis with full 0 rolls

[wary cedar]

omnis also funny

[flint turret]

while trying to solve mana for multishot i made my melee rend much betetr at clearing

[serene crane]

...how far does that attack from bow shadows from Tabis go?? 😄

so long its sniping enemies in 1.5

[wary cedar]

is there no shuriken skin? 😔

[lyric smelt]

how to solve mana issue with rend?

[dusty olive]

Hmmmm what about trying to land a primordial exalted set chest for +2 shadows?

[lyric smelt]

took all passive nodes but am still hunger af

or just dont play rend till all gear collected

[dusty olive]

I've been playing rend no issue since level 40

[wary cedar]

is just got two of these lol

[dusty olive]

Maybe 50

[lyric smelt]

no mana issue?

[dusty olive]

None

Maxed out reductions, only rend inside smoke bomb

[flint turret]

basically doing this for monos now

[serene crane]

• -4 from Energy Flow
• -10 while in Smoke Bomb with Sinister Plan
• 4/6 Stamina of the Rover in Falconer
  Im at 186 mana and 15mana regen at the moment, chilling

[dusty olive]

Make sure you have the rend casts shadow cascade and the mana return stuff in cascade tree

[flint turret]

dropped smoke entirely i get mana from recalls on shift

[dusty olive]

You can also do the shift umbral recall mana

Both work

[flint turret]

in a bot sad movement speeed dont affect my travel speed at all

[serene crane]

lvl 59, 40 Dusk Shroud stacks... aight, looks balanced for sure

[flint turret]

its all just about attack speed

[dusty olive]

Hmmmm you can also primordial a mirage champion piece into +2 shadows

[flint turret]

i thought about it... but almost 60 AS on falcons tho

[ashen rampart]

what version of shadow rend? the one with explosive traps or the one with shift ?

[dusty olive]

I wonder what the math is on the attack speed vs extra shadow

Like how much dps is each shadow worth from 5/6/7/8

[void cargo]

PLZ FIX DANCING STRIKE BUG, last 4 days +16 times need relog, its so anyying as fk, idk how many report ingame i need to tho more it will be fixsed🤔

[flint turret]

it didnt do anything good to my dps when i swapped 0lp falcons to +2 shadows primo without AS

so i ditched the idea

you dont have 8 shadows all the time

[dusty olive]

Just gotta craft the gloves to have the t7 as too lol

[void cargo]

Who dont know Dansing strike, will clitch/bugg you out u cant move, u cant use skills, u cant tp out, but game is still running

[dusty olive]

Is 8 shadows too many to generate

[flint turret]

i think so

[dusty olive]

Hmmmm

[flint turret]

thats why i said 0lp falcon vs no as primo. so both can have extra 30

[dusty olive]

Fair

Is 7 shadows too many to generate?

Like what's your shadow count normally

[flint turret]

im not even sure the count is always accurate

i neam the on the icon buff

when they are consuming and respawning constantly

im just saying my dps didnt really increase form +2

[bronze sequoia]

[dusty olive]

I was just thinking what about a primordial relic to get the shadow spawn chance to 100%

Does that work?

[fading burrow]

how you guys get +1 shadow affix here?

[dusty olive]

That plus 7 shadows with champion gloves and the tier chest?

[dull wren]

besta rogu eleveling build ? or fastest ?

[dusty olive]

If they stack to 100% shadow spawn and you've always got max shadows that has to be great?

[serene crane]

alright, I got to 1100 ward just from 80ward per Rend shadow attack.... my attack speed isnt even something crazy yet

[dusty olive]

I've got 50? Per shadow and I get 2.6k consistently at the moment can't wait to get another piece

[serene crane]

I dont have any other ward on shadow creation yet 😄

[serene crane]

Bladestorm feels good and quite fast, idk if the best tho but it can cut through stuff easily

[wary cedar]

Gambler Amulet doesnt exists

[buoyant roost]

how does this Critical Vurneabilitz works? 2% chance to receive crit. Is this like increasing base crit or what

[dusty olive]

Basically

[flint turret]

didnt know rogue is getting more skills

[wide yacht]

yep, you need mana regen everywhere: nihilis, double red rings, BD passive mana node and only then DS starts being self sustainable (as in, you regen the mana you're using)

the problem is when sync enters the equation lol

[serene crane]

Finally, Void Cleave bladedancer

[bronze sequoia]

shield throw bladedancer no way

[wide yacht]

is there a video of the guy who tested its DPS on cascade?

[flint turret]

i only know that Misha said its 9sec dummy with ds sync cascade

[gleaming rampart]

Which build is better overall on rogues for speedfarming and uber aby

[brittle sand]

huh last epoch the 1.4.2 i think they messed up the info ?? since when does rogue get shield throw ?

[gleaming rampart]

we are the first of april

[brittle sand]

true that , but STILL ,..,

a rogue shield trhower , with all the +throw skills . would be 1 BIG sbhuriken

[wary cedar]

what about a shurikan skill tree were the shuriken throws you to do dmg

[brittle sand]

speakign about ,, the shuriken line what gives you that 1 big shuriken , does it richochee if you put pts in it ?

[cyan wren]

Shadow Rend Doppelganger is good all rounder.

it has multiple versions Phys or Fire.

[wide yacht]

bladestorms make you become the spinning blade

spin 2 win new version

[ashen rampart]

which version is easier to build ?

[dense ravine]

i miss my red rings that i sold

[brittle sand]

oh crap //real ?? i LOVE my paly spint to win . but if the rogue gets it ..guess time to now play it .. i had a rogue at start till lvl 6 .. paladin/druid/necro are alreayd way higher ,,guess i keep going with paladin so i can unlock CoF / bazaar

[wary cedar]

why would you sell red rings to the npcs?

[ashen rampart]

and shadow rend doppleganger feels kind of clunky

[dense ravine]

i got my build up with those npcs money

[brittle sand]

i had a nice empowered lvl 7 fire crown, then i corrupted it , didnt know it could ruin it ,

[dense ravine]

nah corruption is fun

[cyan wren]

Fire. It does feel a bit clunky due to you always have to be in the smoke bomb.

[brittle sand]

i KNOW , i just didnt know there a % it would make it ,, broken ,,

[cyan wren]

If u dont like positioning builds just play Bladestorm.

[wary cedar]

why did you do this?

[ashen rampart]

between the bladestorm and the shadow rend, which would you call to be stronger ?

[river lily]

for blade storm which one is better. blade dancer or falcon?

[cyan wren]

Shadow Rend scales better.

[cyan wren]

Blade Dancer endgame is beter.

[river lily]

gotcha thanks

[cyan wren]

Falconer has other stronger builds like Recall Umbral or Ballista.

[brittle sand]

and the bird has nice POWER too .. use the drop acid flask..turned to cold , for CC

[ashen rampart]

and for the shadow rend, do i use explosive traps of shift ?

[dense ravine]

gamba

[cyan wren]

Explosive Traps is for higher corruption like 3k+
Shift is more comfy in 1k.

[dense ravine]

look i did it again

it is fun

[cyan wren]

Think of Explosive Traps on Shadow Rend is cherry dmg on top.

[arctic heart]

Silver Shroud appears to apply to patch notes for Rogue as well. No idea how this class keeps dodging the bullet every patch series and just brainlessly scales without a check/balance in sight...

[wary cedar]

sure, but my question is more like why do you do that on a raw unique????

[brittle sand]

+24 dex . so it was empowered ?

[dense ravine]

buying a unique without lp is cheaper basicalliy

[wary cedar]

???????????????????????????

[brittle sand]

oh if people dont wanna have the LP options ?

[dense ravine]

the thing is if you buy it raw it is something like 100k and u can just gamble on it but if you buy it with lp and slam a t7 on it it is something like 800k+ so it is more risky to gamble with

[brittle sand]

dont you onkly gamble if you can afford it if it goes wrong ?

[dense ravine]

yeah thats the safe way tho

[brittle sand]

like r/t

[wary cedar]

@dense ravine do you know what a nemesis is?

[dense ravine]

you can't win big if you don't gamble big

[brittle sand]

when i can , i try the max on nemesis , just to see what i can get , to make another build ,,slap corruption on it for more funnies

got 2 hell bows with that . so time to play rogue and go channel arrows . as i got quicksilver ring aswell

to bad rogue doesnt have arrow strafe attack from d2 amazone ,, for that ,,

[brittle sand]

wich node of bladestorm make the spin to win , thingy . or do i need a certain item ? oh i got an item what makes bladestorm throw out explosive traps, will it benefit from my skil?

[vernal veldt]

Any one else experiencing a bug with Dancing Strikes where your character becomes unresponsive for a few seconds?

[serene crane]

Magnetic Grip to make it move towards targets, Alloy Animation for speed and hits; also Longsword Slash and Strength of Arms so it hits more often

[brittle sand]

thx

[wise echo]

Yes, you get stuck. They changed a bit how the skill moves and it can bug like warpath used to bug in 1.2

[serene crane]

That relic is also quite fun, just spec into Explosive Traps to get Smoke Traps node so it gives you Dusk Shrouds, reduced mana cost nodes and you can go up to get the Splinkler nodes, just avoid the one with +11 mana, Ive tried it once and my mana pretty much disappeared... you can also then pick Acid Flask so you throw Bladestorm that throws traps what throw flasks 😄

[vernal veldt]

Aaah gotcha, thanks. I reported the bug but wasn't sure if it was a "me" issue. Hopefully they fix it soon, has gotten me killed quite a few times 😅

[brittle sand]

this and shuriken storm ,how much of a drain will that be on mana ? should i prepare for it ?

[cyan wren]

just get some T6+ Throw Dmg - mana cost on both rings and ur good.

[wary cedar]

no

[cyan wren]

but before that u will feel the mana drain.

Check if you're Shurikens are at 0 mana cost yet.

If they're at 0 or close ur good.

[brittle sand]

t6 ?...ehr au ,, guess i go bazaar this time ,, so i can help myself to stuff , knowing my RNG this time , finding those gona be hard , found VERY phew rings with that so hardly any shards for that , and yes i looking for it specifiekly

atm its 4 mana , thanks to richo 2/2

[cyan wren]

if you're MG, T6 -mana cost are very free on bazar.

[brittle sand]

MG ? main game ? my highest has still yer to reach the bazaar

[serene crane]

I got 4 points here, t7 throw cost on a ring for -5, and just ran with 0 mana Net and 4/4 Sapping Strikes in Rogue so every Net gave me 8 mana back... solid attack speed, spam Net and you dont have to worry about mana at all

[coarse grove]

im not sure what route i want to go with shurikens ngl, Ricochet and Deadly Aim looks the best on paper

its ultimately the same core, just not sure which one scales better

chakrams kinda annoying for mapping without frontloaded damage

[serene crane]

I vote for Deadly Aim

[coarse grove]

ye for Deadly i need 2 rings with t7 mana cost

Chakrams might feel way better when i get the relic with aoe tho

[serene crane]

Damn !

[fossil scroll]

can some1 later kill oberoth for me?

[quartz gust]

I am kind of thinking I want to play SC and try and push my corruption as high as possible, what would the best build be for that? zHP Ballista I assume?

[wary cedar]

why do you want to play Shadow Cascade with zhp ballista?

[cyan wren]

i mean look at the 9400 corruption rank 1 guy.
He's 4500 corruptions ahead of rank 2.

zhp Ballista.

[quartz gust]

I am offline so I can't see that

Plus I am in HC as well, so even if I was online I still wouldn't see that ^^

[cyan wren]

You could. There's HC and SC slider.

[quartz gust]

Oh? That's neat

[cyan wren]

HC is 986 highest rn. Paladin.

[quartz gust]

I figured the best would be zHP Ballista anyway

[cyan wren]

prepare for your mental on zhp ballista. Its no argument is highest DPS but u will be eating dirt a lot u will want to punch monitor.

[void cargo]

wtf im sooooooooooo hyyyyypppeeeeeeeeee

[wary cedar]

why are you hyped if i may ask?

[cyan wren]

He hit 2 good mods?

[void cargo]

god modes

[cyan wren]

the 2 perfect mods he'd want on 2 LP.

[wary cedar]

is this from nemesis or what?

[void cargo]

in there my mate

[wary cedar]

ok

corrupt it then