🔪┃rogue

[desert bridge]

Another option (when you can get it) would be Scissor of Atropos. We're already using the Abandoned set amulet, so 50% increased stats on that is big.

[left glen]

I looked at it. Hard maybe. I don't expect to directly cast a throwing spell much beyond bladestorm

[desert bridge]

Nah, you don't care about Kismet

You just want all the other stuff.

Also though, if you have the bladestorm node that throws all of them, Kismet might actually be good. You just use that and all 3 get the bonus

This is why you'd use Scissor:

[left glen]

Tbh a good exalted katana with crit multi probably does fine

[desert bridge]

Yeah but at that point, just use Traitor's Tongue

Getting a scissor with good stats is hard, so that's a hyper late game thing.

[night spruce]

Okay

i think im settled on my starter

[brittle sand]

rogue ?

8 more hours ,, pfft

[night spruce]

Yeah

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdXj0kp where I'm at

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (65) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,246, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 13 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 529% / 66% / 131% / 84% / 79% / 71% / 53%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,461
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2805)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,585)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 106%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Decoy / Shadow Cascade

[night spruce]

Idk if DS will inherently convert bleed or not

depending i might go 2x sword

[brittle sand]

is blade better for throwing ? i mean isnt the new special good for that ? so falcon ?

[night spruce]

for throwing hit? can go either way

this is ignite tho

[brittle sand]

will see what that new skill is , or else my old time favorite ,, cold alch bombs

[night spruce]

eh for me theres too much shadow tech in rend

throw bladestorm seems interesting

if it works like i think it does

[brittle sand]

yeah that the new skill i read about ,, wonder how long i can stay focusssed , i see myself making new necro/ paladin druid/mage very fast

[night spruce]

i can pivot to bees druid if the idols are accessible but i doubt it

[brittle sand]

ehr neber heard of that option ,,is that new too ? bees as companion

[night spruce]

its not new

but it didnt have a lot of support

now there will be a bee minion set

[brittle sand]

so lots of new things to play with on all classes / gear wise !?

[night spruce]

hmmm

not that much new on sentinel side but i think everyone else has some new toys.

[rocky nova]

Only a few hours left for me to actually decide on my leaguestarter 😅

[brittle sand]

7 h 30 mins ...

and knowing my rng luck , i will find good stuff for all classes but the one i play ,,

[rocky nova]

I wanna do 1 more quick run from start to empowered monos before launch, but i really think im gonna start bladestorm shurikens, which i cant really playtest anything close to

[rocky nova]

You could play trade i guess if you dont mind

[brittle sand]

so not the finders quest , but the traders ,,guild ,, hmm never done that , before

[rocky nova]

The nice thing is that you can change builds a lot easier

But personally im not a fan of trying to get a good loot filter setup for trade + the time spent on trading i'd rather spend killing

[brittle sand]

if you keep getting forward so you make the gold needed for yer build

never done the trading so got to figure out how that works ,,

[rocky nova]

I did it once before they made a lot of the improvements to the auction house/trading interface etc

[brittle sand]

i mean is it like the auction houses in many mmo.s

ah check , guess AH it will be ,, i always get mission quests like monoliths and arena runs ,,

[rocky nova]

ye like AH in mmos, you do have some restrictions initially but over time can buy/sell anything

keep in mind your personal loot will be a lot worse

[brittle sand]

yeah the more xp you get for it thebetter you can trade , logical

[rocky nova]

so if you dont enjoy trading i would advise against it

[brittle sand]

oh damm yeah personal loot ,,oh well , guess ,i need to get to that location 1 st ,,

wonder how fast people will be offering tp to it ..

[daring vault]

any rouge player that could give feed back on this ?:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzWRKyz

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (25) / Bladedancer (71) / Falconer (17)

General:

▸ Health: 3,062, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 156.51, Regen: 9.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 54%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 107 Dex / 27 Int / 15 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 98% / 119% / 110% / 95% / 69% / 120%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 612
▸ Dodge Chance: 61% (2635)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (848)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 125%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 115%

Used skills:

Cinder Strike / Dancing Strikes / Shurikens / Shift / Shadow Cascade

[night spruce]

hmm

legends entwined makes no sense with just 2 sets

per equipped dagger mods with 1 dagger makes no sense

cinder strike tree is kind of unfocused

shuriken bladed armor makes no sense unless you cast the shurikens directly

you dont really have sources of shadows(at most you'll have one) to make use of per-shadow bonuses

[rugged pollen]

save yourself from future frustration

and stay away from cinder strike

[night spruce]

i think cinder strike is actually a solid Flow expender

but for that

the tree will have to work with daggers

not just top right

atm i cant recommend it

[craggy talon]

How we feeling about the new rogue sets?

[night spruce]

shadow helmet op

kuzon fun but needs hotfixes

[cyan wren]

Whats wrong with Kuzon.

[night spruce]

apparently 5 daggers from cinder strike does not count as 5 stacks cause its a different dagger ability

[cyan wren]

Looks like its Ballista safe start like always.

[night spruce]

not sure if shadows throwing daggers should but doesnt work either

idk im gonna force dancing strikes as main ability

or die trying

xD

[brittle sand]

aslogn you dont play HC , dying isnt a problem ,, right !!

[night spruce]

die trying... repeatedly

[brittle sand]

roguelight,,,without benefits ,,

[craggy talon]

[fossil scroll]

what build are u starting with?

[night spruce]

Kuzon Dancing strikes + SC

not sure if i can get a better idol setup

[craggy talon]

I do bladestorm boring but it's gonna be okay

[night spruce]

Not sure if shadow from DS > Perfect Choreography

[fossil scroll]

ill go for heartseeker

[brittle sand]

think i will try falconer bomber with the new bladestorm .

i always like minions what do cc for me

[night spruce]

wait

is there a heretical idol limit now?

or is that only in case of corruption

[torpid trout]

if you have that affix it adds a limit, as a downside

[raw magnet]

Falconer with shuriken Bladestorm is gonna be my 'build as I go' lol.

Falconer is just good qol with throwing bonus and Bladestorm shuriken just tickled me so good when I heard it was a thing

No idea what I'll be doing, but I'm looking for a Bo's Anarchy and Li Raka's as early as possible

After that it's all easy street

[brittle sand]

oh yeah that +3 is al;way s nice ,,

and hope i get the +2 amulet , always nice ..

[snow ember]

I'm doing the same brother. Will it be good? Nope. Will we kill Uber? Nope. Will we be hipster af playing a niche build? Yep

[brittle sand]

and soemtimes its allabout the fun,, i always like the sound of shattering frozen targets

[wary cedar]

WHAT

[brittle sand]

alchemy bomb to frozen ...

sorry acid flask to ice ,,

[wary cedar]

i don't like acid

it scares me

[brittle sand]

thats why i use the fire / cold converter

fire for the basic more dps and cold , with the unique item

[wary cedar]

OKI

i will just play bow

pew pew

[brittle sand]

rattatattta rattattaaat ,,

gatling gun ,,

[wary cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-rattata-run-running-sprinting-gif-5752199

why do i not be able to send gifs

[brittle sand]

ah pokemon ? pffftt

[wary cedar]

you started with the pokemon

[brittle sand]

hee oi ,, no fair ..

may not use my own words against me

[wary cedar]

man why do i have to wait another 6hrs now

😔

[brittle sand]

wll 6 h of chatting , or watching anime . movies , or playing mech arena ,,* chilling **

[wary cedar]

no

6hrs OF W*RK

[silk coral]

do you have a planner for this? would like to try this out too

[night spruce]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdXjJrX i welcome feedback

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (65) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,346, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 13 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 541% / 70% / 135% / 84% / 79% / 71% / 53%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,506
▸ Dodge Chance: 63% (2812)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,619)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 106%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Decoy / Shadow Cascade

[hallow apex]

Top rogue build this season sofar? Is it just bladestorm bladedancer or is there something else that shows promise?

[silk coral]

why not 2 kuzon?

[night spruce]

We don't know whether bleed converts

[silk coral]

i see

[night spruce]

rend shadows should blast if you can get the travel cooldown belt experimental loop to work

[night spruce]

even then i think id use reen over axe if i wanted 2 swords

2 kuzons hampers your ignite chance a bit too much

unless it allows you to reach for rhythm bleed, bleed and arena bleed together

[brittle sand]

eeh that wildfyre amulet with a acid flask turned to fire ,, hmm

to bad it says fire not cold , would be awesome if you would get ice wisps

the entire screen would be in fire fields

[night spruce]

you can do cold bladestorm with acid flask probably

[brittle sand]

hmm njammy ,,

[night spruce]

honestly

if DS doesn't convert to ignite

that might be better

could do poison + bleed and incorporate Deadly Mixture

[raw magnet]

Oh that sounds cool 😎 🥁

[brittle sand]

pun intended , i always love that unique , combined with many other ice damage modifiers .

[wary cedar]

do you have physical/cold res tho? 🤨

[brittle sand]

me or ways to bypass the enemies .. thats in the skill tree of teh acid flask , all acid bypass becomes first fire , then unique makes that into cold

[wary cedar]

@crimson latch is typing

[crimson latch]

i'll be 4hours late t_t

[wary cedar]

just skip the season at this point

if you re already that late

lmao

[agile skiff]

4 hours behind is not that bad

you could still get lucky with a lv 90 rune prison and shoot up in ranking

[wary cedar]

you guys care about ranking? 🫃

[agile skiff]

why play on release day if not for lv100 race

[wary cedar]

okay my bad, i ll then start playing tomorrow

[agile skiff]

good boy

[wary cedar]

wuff

[brittle sand]

just for the fun >>> ? i never did care about leadership board

[crimson latch]

i dont care about ranking i just want to find out if shadow rend is good or not by myself haha

in 4hours maybe there will be YT videos xd

[brittle sand]

in diablo i always hated the message ,, player x is 1st to reach lvl y ..

[wary cedar]

is someone forcing you to watch them on release or what? xd

[crimson latch]

no but im anxious maybe i'll watch them because of that

[wary cedar]

my bro got 0 self controll

[crimson latch]

exactly

[blissful juniper]

yes

[wary cedar]

based

[blissful juniper]

I am strapped into a chair and FORCED to watch youtube videos about last epoch rn

[wary cedar]

wish i was you right now

[fallen whale]

sorry just came back to the game, why is explosive ballista build guide archieved on maxroll?

was the build bricked this season 4?

[limber parrot]

Hey guys, I have not played too much of this game and basicall no rogue before, can someone please take a quick look at my start build and tell me if it makes sense / if I missed something important? Its just passive + skills, I tried to get enough damage and make it tanky enough. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKgD31DL

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (61) / Falconer (20)

General:

▸ Health: 1,248, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 10.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 25 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 5% / 5% / 5% / 20% / 5% / 7% / 7%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 437
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (289)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 21%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 50%

Used skills:

Bladestorm / Smoke Bomb / Decoy / Dancing Strikes / Net

[lyric hollow]

Everyone prepared for LE-41 up to LE-65 message in couple hours ?

[crimson latch]

No

I have faith

[wary cedar]

i belive they cooked up a new thing

LE-420

or something like that

[lyric hollow]

Cya tomorrow then 🤣

[dire viper]

...

[carmine wadi]

guys:

1. so not only this can stack
2. but also, each of 3 shurikens casted, can hit same t arget multiple times? Maybe its not what i understand, and it only means that like there are 1 hit from each of 3 shurikens, and every other orbit doesnt hit anymore?

[dire viper]

Soon

[rugged pollen]

i think everyone who's interested in shuriken have the same question as yours

but it needs to be tested

just few more hrs

[fallen whale]

@fading burrow sry for tagging you but may I ask if u have a build guide for explosive ballista around for season 4?

[rugged pollen]

as of now shurikens from each uses can only hit once

[crimson latch]

how many times it can stack?

that is good to stack armor'

?

[left glen]

Tbh a good exalted katana with crit multi probably does fine

[crimson latch]

mmm can stack 3 times

[carmine wadi]

how many times u want

it means if u self cast it 10 times

u will have 50-70 shurikens floating around

if duration didnt end yet

[crimson latch]

yeah but with the node that increases armor can stack 3 times or just the bonus armor can stack 3 times

[carmine wadi]

well that node 3 stacks only

w/e

according to my math, if everything works like lizard says, its gonna have like 300mil dps

similar to bear dps last patch

cause assuming 7 shurikens on cast on average, and it orbits twice a second, you gonna hit 60 times per one cast

[rocky nova]

ok my 4 hour long journey of setting up a loot filter is finally complete (until i realize i messed it up a few hours into empowered monos and we need to tinker again)

Now i need something to do for the new few hours

[crimson latch]

That’s huge

[crimson latch]

so bladestorm shuriken bd is a thing

only works on manual cast? or things that proc shuriken also work

[void cargo]

Can you pre download?

[tulip hollow]

blade detonation should inherit multipliers and increased crit from bladestorm tree right?

[ripe tiger]

hey, there are 3 rogue leveling guides on maxroll, i have never played rogue and want to play the best/ most enjoyable leveling build. What would you guys recommend?

[rugged pollen]

if i have to bet i'd say each shurikens can only hit once

else they would have specify how many times they can hit per second

[brittle sand]

wont a shurikan go once it hits an target ?

[rugged pollen]

for cases like when you have shuriken orbiting and you're standing on top of a boss

[rugged pollen]

not if you take the pierce node

[brittle sand]

oh ofc forgot that ,

[rugged pollen]

without pierce, yes they will disappear on contact

[brittle sand]

been a while i played LE .

[carmine wadi]

id say they can hit multiple times

80% sure

if not, the build is dead

kinda

[rugged pollen]

i wouldnt say it's "dead"

[carmine wadi]

cause shurikens otherwise dealtoo low dmg

[rugged pollen]

even with one hit per use

it would still do twice the damage compared to line shuriken, at the cost of being melee range

[carmine wadi]

with only once, dmg is like 10x lower

ye but multipliers on shurikens on tree are very ass

[rugged pollen]

bro

shuriken multiplier is better than like 50% of rogue's skills slol

[carmine wadi]

it has 125% base effectiveness, 1.9 from entry points, some crit/crit multi, and 7 shurikens casted

[brittle sand]

so shuriken is better then acid for leveling ,, or is it , in beginning all based on what you find ?

[carmine wadi]

so thats like 15x multiplier

for example erasing strike from tree alone has 180x

[rugged pollen]

the last time i checked

erasing strike is not a rogue skill

[brittle sand]

isnt ES a paldy skill?

[carmine wadi]

well im just comparing it to meta builds

[brittle sand]

comparing rogue to paladin ,,,,hmmm

[potent rune]

Can just wait 4 hours and see if it works not that hard

[carmine wadi]

well im just saying, for it to be s tier, shurikens have to hit multiple times

[brittle sand]

go to sssssleeeeepppp

[rugged pollen]

nobody's saying it's s tier bro

[carmine wadi]

well i am

[brittle sand]

i used in my shurikens build the richochee effects

as rogue i always tried to avoid the close range ,,its a ROGUE ,, not a TANK

[flint turret]

There is no way they will make bladeshield shurikens hit multiple times each it's plain broken

It's already giga buffed because they are removing bladeshield replacement

And if it will work on bladestorm as well(which currently seems the case)

[rugged pollen]

looks like every questions regarding shuriken got ignored in devask channel

i wonder why

[carmine wadi]

well every meta build is broken in some way. even with multiple hits, it won't surpass like last season bear druild dps

[blissful juniper]

how much increased damage is too much increased damage?

[carmine wadi]

allowing it to hit multiple times, is basically 9x extra multiplier

[flint turret]

dunno about everyone else but i dont want to see more broken builds, if anything id prefer to gradually see less and none

[blissful juniper]

we need more builds and classes on the same level as release falconer

[brittle sand]

9x isnt max shurkin like 12+ ? with the rigth gear ,, bo staff and claws ?

[carmine wadi]

?

does it say anywhere there is cap on max shurikens?

[wary cedar]

this is the way

[carmine wadi]

but if it hits multiple times, it means that each shuriken will hit like 9times during a duration

cause duration is like 4.4 seconds or something, and orbit time is like half as econd

so its 9x multiplier for free

[flint turret]

bladesield already hits multiple times what are yout alkng about

[brittle sand]

ooh the orbit speed x the timer .. x shurikens ammoung ,, oh thats alot of damage

[finite arch]

whos ready

[flint turret]

so its not x9 if they wil allow to hit each shuriken multiple times, its x times the duration and orbiting speed, and what will they do if you cast it inside the target? infinite damage ticks or what

there is no way it works like that

[brittle sand]

doesnt shadow clones use shurikens aswell ?

[flint turret]

they dont use bladeshield

they throw a cone

[brittle sand]

oh , so the skills points in tree doesnt affect the skil use of the shadows ,, pity

[flint turret]

it does

but not bladeshield

so bladestorms being able to cast bladeshields is already a giga buff if true

[brittle sand]

would be death zones if a close could cast a bladeshield

oh the new skill ,if THAT works with shurikens ,, ehrrr ,,hmm ,,

[rugged pollen]

why not just boot up the game

and u know

try it out?

[flint turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x_AbQbCL3s&t=384s

[brittle sand]

we got to wait a phew more hours

[flint turret]

here is how it worked with shadows and bs

[carmine wadi]

what are you talking about? it d oesnt

thats the whole point

that supposedly now it will

thats where 9x multiplier will come from

[flint turret]

have you played shuri or bladeshield at all

[mystic orchid]

What are we leaguestarting boys? I am gonna do shadowrend probbly marksman

[flint turret]

bladeshield casts whatever amount of shurikens and each hits once

[wary cedar]

shadowrend into heartseeker

[flint turret]

with or without pierce

[mystic orchid]

shadowrend multishot low life marksman seemed cool with the extra shadows and dusk shrouds

[flint turret]

just in case of pierce it doesnt disapper and can hit another enemy

[carmine wadi]

thats my whole point, what do you mean ffs

taht each of those 7 or whatever shurikens, can hit an enemy only once

even with 100% pierce

and now in new patch, it supposedly can hit same enemy with each orbit

[flint turret]

the point is that people are expecting bladeshield now for some reason to hit multiple times for each shuriken

[carmine wadi]

well how else do you interpret it

'it allows shurikens cast this way to hit the same target multiple times'

[flint turret]

WITH DIFFERENT SHURIKENS NOT THE SAME ONE

[carmine wadi]

well that is obvious

so them saying that, might iimplicate that shuriikens that pierce, might hit again

[flint turret]

its obviously not because theese convos are continuing

[carmine wadi]

what you said doesnt need any clarification, then why thehell would even extra shurikens would appear if they wouldnt do anything

[flint turret]

they might not because its both broken and can not be reasonably coded

you can cast bladeshield inside a boss hitbox and then what would happen

infinite damage and game crash or what

[blissful juniper]

that sounds like a great idea

server crasher

[wary cedar]

can you pls not crash the servers when i m playing? ty

[brittle sand]

oh been there during DAOC server crash ,,now THAT was FUN ,,

[carmine wadi]

well thats the only arguement so far that makes me lean to believe its only once

but that patch notes clarification is dumb af then

[flint turret]

they are not dumb

it literally does what it says

[brittle sand]

so you just need to repeat casting shurikens non stop ? to avoid the 1x only hit ?

[carmine wadi]

old clarification was good then, why change it then

[blissful juniper]

someone needs a pay check

[flint turret]

allows Shurikens(as a skill) cast this way to hit the same target multiple times(because shurikens as a skill launch multiple shurikens)

it doesnt say anything about each individual shuriken hitting multiple times

the speculation is absurd

[brittle sand]

and hard on the system , enemy 1 has been hit yes/no .. if yes no damage from THIS cycle shuriken ,, if no ,.,., it gets damage ,,

[carmine wadi]

its not absurd. This Like implicates that each shuriken can hit multiple times, cause if not, there is no point claryfying that, since why would need clarification that 7 shurikens will hit an enemy 7 times

but ye that arguement with boss hitbox kinda convinces me

[fallow lantern]

yallz like heartseeker ?

[carmine wadi]

just from coding standpoiint

[blissful juniper]

Dark age of camelot? got to be like 40 years old.

[brittle sand]

51 ,,

still playing , games ,

[carmine wadi]

@flint turret okay, and what about orbitting hammer throw. cannot it hit same target with same hammer, multiple times or something?

[brittle sand]

but not daoc . its gone , and finding personal kepts servers is not my style ,, pffftt

[flint turret]

because technically this is wrong. Shurikens(as a skill) could hit the same enemy multiple times having line throw or bladeshield

just not each individual shuriken

[brittle sand]

as line yes , but then after teh line ends its gone and passed them

[flint turret]

i have no idea

[wary cedar]

my guess would be an icd

[brittle sand]

1 cast x shurikens hit same enemy then go onwards to the ones behind it ?

[rugged pollen]

bruh why arguing over this

💀

wait few hrs

get in game

test it out

done

[brittle sand]

we find out soon enough how it works ,

but thinking about how WE want it to work ,, well ,,

[carmine wadi]

i just tested it with orbitting hammer throw. it actually hits same target more than once (from each hammer).

@flint turret so it can be reasonably coded

cause its an analogy basically

[flint turret]

okay so what does it do if it spawns inside an enemy and orbits inside it

[carmine wadi]

it probably wont hit with more frequency, than actual orbit time

[carmine wadi]

i didnt test it, but probably t his

so if like orbit time is half a second

it wont hit more often than twice a second

so actually we might be getting multiple hits per each shuriken lol

[cobalt mantle]

Multiple hits per shuriken only if they are different enemies

[flint turret]

i dont wanna continue this convo tbh

[carmine wadi]

but it works on same enemy with orbitting hammer throw, and they are very similar

why not

[cobalt mantle]

Pretty sure they aren't changing the damage behavior of blade shield other than making it stackable

[carmine wadi]

i just proved arguement with reasoonable coding, that it can be done

[cobalt mantle]

It's a different skill

It just doesn't

[carmine wadi]

it might

[cobalt mantle]

Nope

Description clarified means no mechanical change

[desert bridge]

No way, that would be insanely op

[carmine wadi]

how exactly does it clarify that there is no mechanical change

it might as well clarify that it works exactly like orbitting hammer throw

[brittle sand]

then we would have a new META rogue

[carmine wadi]

its still open to interpretation, but you cannot say you can be 100% sure it wont work like that

[cobalt mantle]

No, what it is saying is that they aren't changing the behavior

the current behavior is orbiting allows shotgunning, but not multi-hitting a single enemy per shuriken

Only mechanical change is now throwing shurikens again won't delete your active orbiting shurikens

[desert bridge]

You might know, Toast: Does the speed/range node in shurikens change the range that the blade shield shurikens orbit you?

[brittle sand]

so dashing from group to group will be with like 2-3 bs active same time ?

[cobalt mantle]

I don't know for sure, but like 85% it doesn't

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah

[desert bridge]

That's too bad, that would be a cool interaction

[brittle sand]

ehr a BS 10 meters away from you ,,?

[cobalt mantle]

It would be cool if it increased duration or something too

[brittle sand]

that does leave openings for the enemies to walk in ,,

[cobalt mantle]

They have a pretty tight orbit, more like 0.5 or 1 meters away from you

[desert bridge]

Yeah, it would be cool if they could get a BIT further away

That way you could use it for clear by throwing a bunch of shuriken casts and walking through mobs

[brittle sand]

yes i know ,, but more range woudl mean greater distance so same shurikens , covering that new cirkle ,, would be awesome idea ,, but it would beat the purpose of the cirkle

[desert bridge]

I don't think it would change it THAT much, just going from like 1m range to like 3m range would be a big "feels good" change

And you'd need more shurikens to create a "full" shield doing that, so people might not want to

[brittle sand]

wonder what the new bladestorm will do ,, maybe that will be awesome enough that we dont need shurikans

[hasty fjord]

does anyone have a heartsteeker leveling guide/build?

[desert bridge]

You don't unlock heartseeker until pretty late, you've already pretty much leveled by that point 😝

[cobalt mantle]

For sure, or spiral like hammers to get some nice coverage

[hasty fjord]

that's sad...Is there any fun bow abilities to level with?

[brittle sand]

why the bow , whats wrong with throwing acid flasks ?

[hasty fjord]

I want to level using a bow and then later switch, but I am looking to focus on using bow and quiver while leveling.

[desert bridge]

Bleed puncture with bow is great for leveling

[hasty fjord]

Amazing concept, but I don't know I just wanna play bow this time around xD

[brittle sand]

depends then on they finds ,,

[desert bridge]

You basically just waltz through the campaign

[hasty fjord]

any other abilities?

[oak plume]

theorycrafted my build hope i didnt bait myself into dogshit guys

the new unique relic that proc traps with bow build

[hasty fjord]

sadly the game is offline, and I can't check the list of skills

[brittle sand]

i just go in blind , and see what they changed , i di dget some of the rogue vids so .

[oak plume]

always go blind

[brittle sand]

theorcy crafting changed everytime i find new gear anyway ,

[hasty fjord]

Ok, I will go blind again xD

[desert bridge]

Shift, smoke bomb, the usual. Just kinda do whatever feels right and you'll be fine. The early campaign for LE is pretty tame.

[oak plume]

at least its super easy to swap back

[desert bridge]

It's not like POE where the game starts out hard and gets easier

[brittle sand]

or poe 2 pfft ..

[oak plume]

POE you swap builds and all money GONE

money is not a thing here

[hasty fjord]

I hope so. I can't remember how much it costs, and if by that time I would have enough money for that or not xD

[hasty fjord]

true xD

[oak plume]

"yeah im gonna league start this and swap to that"

[brittle sand]

thats why in LE i got so many ,,chars , easier to switch ghears then rebuild all points

[oak plume]

ends up playing league start till end of league

[brittle sand]

i play other games tooo ,, soon BL4 new char ,, d4 warlock ,, and here LE overhaul of skills

[desert bridge]

I've never liked "league start" builds because I want to start out with a build and watch it change and mature. Not start with something completely different and then just swap over.

[oak plume]

bladestorm blast rain surely it works right guys

and make it cold

[desert bridge]

Cold-based bladestorm actually sounds kinda fun

[brittle sand]

cold for freeze and so have CC

[oak plume]

yeah but you lose a lot of base dmg if you scale blast rain dmg

since blast rain gets converted to bow dmg

[brittle sand]

cc is better then raw damage ,, well in my eyes ,,

[desert bridge]

Well, you can use Troaka's teeth to convert puncture to cold too and then throw bladestorms and puncture

[brittle sand]

so you need a BOW for the bladestorm to cold >? BLEHHHHH

[oak plume]

wait this doesnt specify self casted

[lyric stag]

will rogue builds be very expensive or can be playable easy this season ?

[oak plume]

no its for the new unique relic

it makes bladestorms throw blast traps at enemies every second

and if you want blast rain you need a bow

and both skills can be converted to cold and then you can use reign of winter

but the mana cost will be insane

but if you can reduce bladestorms mana cost to 0 which requires t8 mana cost reduction...

you can gain mana

[vivid cypress]

imo any build that doesn't use rr is easyily doable on MG

so ballista ;D

[lyric stag]

rr ?

[vivid cypress]

red rings

but ballista falconer takes skill or something, i havn't ever played it so i dunno.

[oak plume]

i wonder if shadows proc this

[vivid cypress]

can easily die if u dont play good or something

[oak plume]

never had problem getting 1LP red rings

[vivid cypress]

i plan on doing it this season

[fading burrow]

Yeah but not really as there are some changes on the build so need some testing

[oak plume]

CoF printing them

[vivid cypress]

on MG? maybe its because of when i played

oh i play MG

the worse faction 😛

[oak plume]

i dont know how MG could be enjoyable experience

[vivid cypress]

its real rough but some people hate themselves like me 😄

[oak plume]

it sounds like suffering and pain

[vivid cypress]

as long as the build doesn't use RR MG is actually solid. for a while

but less players each season make it worse and worse

[brittle sand]

guess i be cold aciding the enemy , till i get other skills , well asap that uniques drops .

[vivid cypress]

last season it was a nightmare

no items u need ever in the AH, so its like playing w/out a faction

[oak plume]

im guessing RR in MG come from runes of ascendance

[limber parrot]

Anyone can help me with this please?

[wild merlin]

hey can i just say i am so excited and happy for the rouge changes that is occuring\

some of the buffs and ablities that is happening for rouge ive been waiting for and making builds around for years. but finally its going to become more viable now too

[desert bridge]

Doppelganger set is 🔥

[wild merlin]

If i am able to truly do a lot with it ill have to make a community build if its super viable

honestly idk if ill be needing or using that one

i need to read it a bit more though

[flint turret]

im not seeing bladestorms as good without shurikens tbh

and you can already find plenty of bladestorm\shuri planners\guides out there

if you meant just for leveling tho, shadow daggers bladestorm might be decent yeah, but no one really focuses on leveling

for later stages shadow daggers fall off anyways

[wild merlin]

im a weirdo my off meta build got hella buffed

[carmine wadi]

ok i guess now im kinda convinced that piercing shurikens dont hit same target. But now it feels that bladestorm shuriken build kinda mid

numbers dont seem that crazy, even with bladestorms proccing it 3 times / sec

since shurikens have total trash dmg multipliers on tree

[wild merlin]

i was there was better daggers for what I was wanting to do on rouge

wait is shuricans removed as a base skill?

thats rough since shuricans used to provoide a lot of defensive stuff

how does shadow storm work with a channeled shadow cascade?

i wonder

is it worth it to do now shadow cascade dagger dance without hurrican of blades now? so i keep the melee attack? or just go full on hurrican of blades

i mean i dont get shadow daggers if i do that

but ill get the melee benefits

[carmine kelp]

Anyone got a go-to league starter for rogue?

[tulip hollow]

do you guys think blade detonation will be spammable with enough area to instantly overlap? I'm wondering if our throwing speed gets too high that we'll just lose bladestorms as we throw out new ones

[wild merlin]

no idea but now im debating whether i tweak my off meta hurricane of blades build. what do you guys think would be more efficive espically because hurricane of blades got a mana cost decrease. use that node or just keep the melee attack and throwing attack. a lot of rouges skills need you to still use a melee attack and using shadow cascade hurricane of blades as a main skill does not help with that

[lilac yew]

@fresh rivet

[wild merlin]

im so debating using that in my build but im not sure

any recomendations of which route i should go?

[lilac yew]

@fresh rivet I think it's buff for burning daggers you are seeking on.

[hybrid marsh]

ahhhhh last minute decisions

[wild merlin]

i need the most efficient way to maybe spam burning daggers lol? gain all the mana back. or I can go shadow cascade

[fresh rivet]

🥀 Melee attack to summon burning daggers, it's why marksman is illed

Sorry to hear heartseeker into the grave

It's bladedancer's era.

[wild merlin]

lol heck yeah

[finite arch]

so shadow rend build start.

[night spruce]

oh i was cooking on that

ideally you'd just want to spam 1st strike cinder strike but that interaction needs to be hotfixed, first

[wild merlin]

can someone help me decide how my shadow cascade build should work? people are saying that shadow daggers arent even that good so should i not go hurricane of blades shadow daggers and instead not go porcupines wrath

[night spruce]

Define 'work'

[wild merlin]

I mean i could just test it out ocne we get into game

it got buffed the hurricane of baldes

its my favoirte off meta build to go

[flint turret]

with shurikens on bow crit corrupted affixes its the opposite

[night spruce]

can shurikens even work for ailments?

im wondering about that

[wild merlin]

but im not sure if i should take away the melee attack since a lot of rouge passives need a melee attack still

[night spruce]

they dont seem to have a lot of multis

[fresh rivet]

Why?

Do shurikens give more damage and scale with throwing damage without costing mana?

[wild merlin]

wait

i have a question

[desert bridge]

Yeah they're fine because they hit multiple times per cast with the right setup. That's basically a "more" multiplier in itself

[wild merlin]

nvm it says when you directly use a skill, not when any skill is used. so using blade storm to cast skurikians does not give mana

hmmmm

maybe i should just give it a shot and see what happens right @night spruce? I can maybe just pivot if it doesnt work too well too make it so that i dont use hurricane of baldes and just use a melee throwing hybrid for shadow cascade. because that might be more powerful than hurricane of blades

[night spruce]

define right setup

[wary cedar]

in 50min it's not even theorycraft, its realitycraft then 🔥

[round ember]

any bladestorm builds?

[desert bridge]

Either of these:

[wild merlin]

I feel like flurry still might be my best best bet for getting mana back if i need it

[night spruce]

which one yields more ailment damage roughly?

[desert bridge]

Blade Shield because it doesn't halve the number of shurikens you throw, AND they can hit multiple targets (assuming you get pierce, which you would). But it has the downside that you have to be in melee

[night spruce]

i am using dancing strikes

so i could sacrifice 2p for the trigger

[lyric stag]

guys any link for leveling guide for blade dancer ? blade storm

[night spruce]

if its good for bleed-> ignite

[desert bridge]

Yeah, if you're using dancing strikes, they should hit very easily

[night spruce]

just wondering if id drop shift

or smoke bomb for it

hmm actually idk

[hybrid marsh]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/bladedancer-leveling-guide#loot-filter-header

[wild merlin]

i just wanna know how the shadow storm interaction works if it is a channeled ability

[night spruce]

think youd drop smoke bomb or shift for shurikens here?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrX7bn34

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (70) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,346, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 10 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 541% / 70% / 135% / 74% / 79% / 71% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,506
▸ Dodge Chance: 67% (3343)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,619)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 100%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Decoy / Shadow Cascade

[night spruce]

might drop bomb actually

since crimson is on hit now

[desert bridge]

I'd probably drop decoy

Do you ever see yourself actually using it?

[night spruce]

Need fire shred

and frailty source

[desert bridge]

hm IDK

[night spruce]

its 2 decoys for 10 stacks

its that or explosive trap which isnt great

[crimson latch]

but with blade shield we have to be close to the target isnt?

[night spruce]

But doesn't the wording "not allow each shuriken to hit an enemy more than once" make it less efficient?

[flint turret]

not in the context of bladeshield

[desert bridge]

No, they can only ever hit a target once, but EVERY shuriken hits the target

[crimson latch]

so we dont use that node for shuriken ? sorry im newbie af

[flint turret]

depends on a contexts, again

[night spruce]

Wouldn't you do chakram, then?

[desert bridge]

No, because chakram only hits once

So instead of getting 9 hits, you get 1

[flint turret]

before you could use bladeshield on shift for armor now you cant, but it doesnt mean hs now cant use shurikens, we are getting shurikens on bow crit for extra damage now

[blissful juniper]

you got a build for that?

wait I just realized that shuriken on bow crit corruption doesnt have a cap

[night spruce]

do they all hit at once ?

[blissful juniper]

so just crit more often and youll throw giga shurikens out

[desert bridge]

No but they rotate pretty quick

[crimson latch]

so, whats the better setup for shuriken tree?

[flint turret]

not yet really, im starting with rend multishot but ill be trying to get shuriken on bow crit corruption to play around it with both multishot and hs to compare

[night spruce]

@desert bridge i got spare points so maybe theres reason for shuriken speed 🙂

[flint turret]

for what build? HS cant even use ut without corruptions really

[soft arch]

Going in blind with bladestorm, shadow cascade, on bladedancer i guess. Maybe shurikens :/

[crimson latch]

Heartseeker

oh

[lilac yew]

You can just use mask and still have noice buffs to it and colerated throwing dmg and synergy skills

[flint turret]

dunno, probably the line one

[night spruce]

@desert bridge ill try it over smoke bomb, seems fun for more ignites 🙂

@desert bridge https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYE9RZN2 like so

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (70) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,346, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 10 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 541% / 70% / 135% / 74% / 79% / 71% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,506
▸ Dodge Chance: 67% (3343)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,507)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 100%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shift / Shurikens / Decoy / Shadow Cascade

[desert bridge]

I'm planning a very different ignite build

[night spruce]

since i assume the bleed wont convert

[lilac yew]

Min maxing iscneeded only after pinnacle bossing. Before it no one forces you to use qnything. Just do fantasy you like

[blissful juniper]

the corruption is actually pretty common its 75% chance for positive and 50% chance for corrupted affix and the shuriken outcome is high weight

corruption for shurikens on bow crit*

[wary cedar]

arent they all the same weight? xd

[flint turret]

nop

[wary cedar]

in letools they are tho

all weight 1

[flint turret]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/affixes?r=corruption_equipment

[wild merlin]

im going to go for my dream build and if it fails oh well

[blissful juniper]

LE tools is saying all the res outcomes have 0.5 weighting and the damage ones all have 1.0

its the tiers that have the same weighting

= chance for tier 1 and tier 7

[wise echo]

So T7 will be quite "common"

[desert hazel]

theres a ton more possible resist rolls than damage ones so that makes sense to not make it "oh no corrupted yet another resist"

[flint turret]

you dont have res on weapons for the most part afaik

[rotund plover]

As much as I love falconer might play something different this season

[blissful juniper]

oh LET is wrong then, its showing you can get res on bows/quiver as an outcome

[flint turret]

on quivers sure, but im not seeing it on bows

quivers can have res naturally, its not a wepon

[blissful juniper]

ur right I was looking at the wrong item

[wild merlin]

is it going to be worth it to do merchants guild

[flint turret]

probably yes, for corruption outcomes trading

so far it looks like a better option than cof even tho im going cof still

being able to sell a corruption you dont need and buy the one you need seems pretty powerful compared to brick and go again

[desert bridge]

COF for life so you can just farm more items to get what you need

[flint turret]

considering not a big difference in access to runes of corruption for cof and mg apparently

[wild merlin]

how does this corruption thing work now again?

[desert bridge]

I'm guessing you'll be able to get them with prophecies though

[wild merlin]

i see what it do be do

[flint turret]

nop

[desert bridge]

Not at all? Or not specifically?

[flint turret]

also 150% boss drop doesnt apply either

[desert bridge]

Interesting

[flint turret]

not at all

[desert bridge]

That seems... counter to previous design patterns

[blissful juniper]

cant you buy them from the vendor for cheap

its not like youll be spamming them anyway

[flint turret]

there was no runes of evolution prophesies either afaik

[desert bridge]

Yeah, but most builds don't even want T8 mods

EVERY build wants corruption

[flint turret]

i think we do want to spam them actually, especially on set items

idols need a ton too

[desert bridge]

yeah

Hopefully they change course on that, otherwise CoF is going to struggle

[flint turret]

yeah i hope we just dont have a full picture

cof might be getting big bonus to glass drops or something

if not, oh, well, im still going cof

[left owl]

what's with the random rogue nerfs? am i missing something, I don't think I read one sentence in the Rogue's section that was a buff

[flint turret]

???

[left owl]

to be fair I did skim over the patch notes

[left owl]

?

[pearl forge]

some talents got good buffs

[wary cedar]

?????

[flint turret]

its gwtting buffed all over the place + new skills

[pearl forge]

only thing that was nerfed was the culmination flow thingy

but you didnt really care bout that one tbh

as most builds that would combo flow just used shift anyway for perma crit

[flint turret]

they nerfed trap flask and thats about it for the relevant things

[left owl]

oh, please enlighten me, all i read was shift is randomly level 6 now, instead of 3, and a buncha of skills losing the majority of their base dmg

[pearl forge]

actually got buffed by dot things

[blissful juniper]

ah yea you actually can get a supply of decent to good idols in CoF, in MG it costs an arm and a leg for each one unless your build is unpopular.
I just know my multishot idols with good rolls will be millions of gold to get a good roll and then you have to corrupt it and every % matters for the primordial relic.

[flint turret]

they buffed damage efficiency for skills that are loosing base damage, its a buff not a nerf

and 3 vlv vs 6 lvl is literally like 5 min of gameplay kekw

[left owl]

i didn't really do the math but something going from 50 base dmg to 2 base dmg while the efficiency only goes to 150% (from a 100%) doesn't seem particularly good

[flint turret]

then you should to try and calculate it

[left owl]

oh, u disagree?

[wide yacht]

the maths disagree

[stable anchor]

it's like a slight nerf while leveling maybe but in endgame even with just the inherent flat from your weapons it's more overall dmg, even moreso w/ flat slams

[flint turret]

i think it should be obvious from a glance for basically everyone

[left owl]

leveling is what im talking about here

it just seems weird

[flint turret]

no decent build has less than 200 flat, often times its closer to 300-400

[stable anchor]

you're barely gonna notice it, ailments are king for leveling anyways

[left owl]

fair enough

[fresh rivet]

Do shurikens give more damage and scale with throwing damage without costing mana so this affix is powerful?

[wide yacht]

so, what are the ways a BD can sustain mana without shift?

[flint turret]

than what? and for what

[fresh rivet]

Just my guessing. I want to ask why this affix can change everything

[blissful juniper]

because its free damage

and has no cap on per second triggers

and heartseekers crits 10s of times per second

[flint turret]

because you can have 3 aps on bow with a decent gear, and multishot can hit 17 arrows per cast, hs maybe around 10

and 20% of those are shuriken casts

thats a lot of shurikens

[dire pawn]

are they actually realeasing on the dot

[crimson latch]

is there any way to use detonating arrow without mana stuff ?

[flint turret]

mana stuff got nerfed

so thats is gone too

[blissful juniper]

wait is the shuriken chance corrupt giving flat crit?

[fresh rivet]

What aps is

[blissful juniper]

attacks per second

[fresh rivet]

Thx

[flint turret]

if tunklabs data is correct it should be 4.125% for bow

[blissful juniper]

holy

[flint turret]

less for quiver

[blissful juniper]

double shuriken corrupt means you can drop flat crit t7 from bow

[crimson latch]

amazing

[main cape]

bladestorm any good for uber abberoth?

[wide yacht]

yo?

[flint turret]

as intended = how tho?

[wide yacht]

no clue

[twilit ibex]

Doesn't 2nd shadow just disappear instantly after it uses it's ability instead of sticking around for Tabi?

[fresh rivet]

Do you have a link for this build?

[twilit ibex]

Not "Consume" but just vanishes

[flint turret]

only a draft, something like this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKgDMOv0

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (66) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,819, Regen: 35.36/s
▸ Mana: 153.52, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 101 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 50 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 62% / 71% / 87% / 71% / 102% / 107%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,067
▸ Dodge Chance: 59% (2529)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,053)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Multishot / Heartseeker

[fresh rivet]

Not sure how to do 3 attack per second

[flint turret]

mm has lots of attack speed in class feat and passives

[crimson latch]

i'd use shadow rend as traversal

in other builds

[flint turret]

thats seems good indeed

[crimson latch]

not multishot

[wide yacht]

yo ragu, do you think this build will be sustainable in terms of mana? without shift sounds very rough
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOw8R602

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (77) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,580, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 259.51, Regen: 10.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 54%, Regen: 65/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 86 Dex / 27 Int / 42 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 43% / 43% / 43% / 79% / 43% / 70% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,035
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1352)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,364)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 33%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 108%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shadow Cascade / Shadow Rend / Synchronized Strike / Smoke Bomb

[wide yacht]

playing rend and cascade is rough overall

[flint turret]

whats the rotation in question

rend costs less than sync

but with the increased speed of DS, your DS alone will drain like 20 mana per second when you spam it

[wide yacht]

yeah that's the problem, the -2 mana cost doesn't mean much

when it comes to keeping rhythm stacks up

[flint turret]

yeah i think its gonna be 3-4 attacks per second

with 6 manacost thats roughr

[wide yacht]

is losing smoke bomb worth it here, just for shift mana?

i don't see how else tbh

[twilit ibex]

Playing melee builds without shift is def rough

[wide yacht]

without SB too

[wary cedar]

i am downloading

[flint turret]

i dunno honestly, my planner looked wery similar and i dont have a clear answer yet

im not sure ds is even needed here

[blissful juniper]

all will be revealed once we actually play the game

[wide yacht]

how's yours?

[flint turret]

maybe trap melee attach will do

[wary cedar]

why you not playing then? its 17:01 already 😭

[flint turret]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL09ERyx

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (78) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,056, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 225.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 83 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 88% / 72% / 77% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,577
▸ Dodge Chance: 71% (4038)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (836)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 133%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Synchronized Strike / Dancing Strikes

[blissful juniper]

internet speed too slow only 500mbs

[wise echo]

oh wow the update is quite slow, steam just updated btw

[crimson latch]

NoOooOo

I have 4 hour left in my job

[blissful juniper]

just go home

[wary cedar]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

[blissful juniper]

theyll understand

[pulsar solar]

Where is it?? Where is the update

[wary cedar]

on steam

[pulsar solar]

It’s not on steam rn

[flint turret]

700kb\s feelsgoodman

[wary cedar]

liar

[gilded sequoia]

Launching now

[wary cedar]

it 's not on steam

[zenith rivet]

restart your steam

[wary cedar]

😔

[wise echo]

My speed is fluctuating

[fresh rivet]

What heartseeker do in this skill combo?

I can see smoke bomb/multishot for creating shadows, shadow rend for more shadows, shadows shot shurikens + I cast shurikens manually.

[wise echo]

Oh you cant enter the game LOL.

[flint turret]

flat damage buff, bit of shrouds, mana gain on hit potentially if needed

[wise echo]

server died

[vivid cypress]

dan

damn

[wary cedar]

noooo

i m just starting

[wise echo]

Oh, its in.

guess the download speed issue will act as a pseudo queue

[wide yacht]

damn, almost the same actually, you went for the full set with relic item

[brittle sand]

with hundreds of players downloading same time ,, you think it slow down ?

[wide yacht]

army of skin, huh?

[sand dome]

with them saying tabis arent working as intended currently, do you guys think that means they'll patch it to make them work with the skill tree?

[flint turret]

i changed to it from tabis after igot explanation on tabi mechanics from devs. it seems pretty bad. i had them initially

[wary cedar]

i cant pick up items 😭

[pearl forge]

best of luck my friends i have wow raid and cant play until 11 pm

yea tabi seem worse than expected

[wide yacht]

you mean because it's currently bugged?

[flint turret]

no i mean because its a different indirect skill

that doesnt use anything "on use" related

[wide yacht]

oh hell nah

[flint turret]

as for a bug i have no idea whats up with that

[vivid cypress]

i tried midnight i honestly think ive grown out of that game. not a fan of the entire endagme loop.

but i did make a bunch of gold this week to get free blizz stuff for a few years 😄

[pearl forge]

btw do you think this may roll +1 shadows?

[pearl forge]

i have been playing since 2005 so yea

no escaping

i may try a shadow rend nuke build after i make an LM one

you can use vaion's with it i think

[jagged sedge]

how do you turn of FPS number

[vivid cypress]

i played since vanilla but stoped after wotlk, came back for legion. was good but i find it stale now

[zenith rivet]

F11

[jagged sedge]

ty

[flint turret]

cheking multishot rend now fingers crossed

[void nimbus]

mfw new bladestorm

[wary cedar]

guess we will play without items this season guys

new challenge

🔥

xd

[flint turret]

this doesnt seem to work

they move to my cursor still

newm it works but close

[jagged sedge]

There's something annoying with Shadow Rend

[flint turret]

its actually good

[finite arch]

i forgot loot filter fk

[flint turret]

all shadows move

[jagged sedge]

I have to reposition my char so the shadow rend hits my target

so if you're moving away from the boss and you use Shadow Rend on the boss

[flint turret]

mana drain is abyssmal tho

[jagged sedge]

the guy goes away lol

how do I fix that

[flint turret]

fck it i go multishot rend and so be it

[jagged sedge]

Hopefully BS is better than this skill

[flint turret]

they move quite far tho

[crimson latch]

STOP

Don’t kill my hope

[pine hatch]

Guys

[flint turret]

i have no idea how to mana sustain it

it DRAINS

[pine hatch]

The DS shuriken SC is broken

[gilded sequoia]

anyone running a group?

[pine hatch]

Insane

[rugged pollen]

how

spill it

[pine hatch]

18 secs dummy

[flint turret]

of

[pine hatch]

With current gears none corrupted

[rugged pollen]

any new interaction or just the number up

[pine hatch]

Clear with DS is absolutely insane

110% movement speed

[blissful juniper]

whats the aoe look like?

[stiff nexus]

Shadow Rend is absolutely awful, why in god's name is based on your character facing and not cursor

[pine hatch]

Just numbers up

[rugged pollen]

oh shit u're right DS is actually feels good now

kekw

[pine hatch]

Before patch dummy was like 35 secs

[rugged pollen]

can aim at your feet and doesnt move at all

[pine hatch]

Imma gonna try uber now

[crimson latch]

Stopppp

[jagged sedge]

This is what I said

It's horrendous

[gilded sequoia]

Yeah i had to switch off of wasd

[glacial steppe]

What is DS for the uninformed just curious what skill that is

[rugged pollen]

it's based on cursor no?

[gilded sequoia]

No the way you are facing

[jagged sedge]

It isn't

[rugged pollen]

im literally using it rn

[jagged sedge]

Maybe we have different settings

[gilded sequoia]

you have to click before cast to face

[jagged sedge]

let me see something

[rugged pollen]

i dont

face 1 direction

mouse another

[gilded sequoia]

wtf

[rugged pollen]

rend at mouse direction

?

[stiff nexus]

^

That's what i got

If it's a setting somewhere please for the love of god tell me which one it is

It goes off on character direction, ignoring the cursor

[jagged sedge]

Yeah my mouse is behind my char and my char goes the opposite way

[gilded sequoia]

Wait, now it is going cursor

[jagged sedge]

How?

[stiff nexus]

Yeah please, if you find how just write it somehwere

[gilded sequoia]

I did not change anything

But I know 100% it was, because I was losing it

[stiff nexus]

Ok so, it's something that's bugged with Keyboard Movement

if you play with Default Movement it's how it should be

[gilded sequoia]

I changed off of Keyboard movement, thats probably what c hanged

Okay okay, makes sense. I want to play wasd but that was killing it for me

[jagged sedge]

ok so it is keyboard

nvm

I made it mouse only

[gilded sequoia]

Hopefully that gets fixed

[jagged sedge]

it costs way too much mana though

[wise echo]

HOLY SHIT, SHIFT CAN NOW JUMP LEDGES!!!

[jagged sedge]

HOLY SHIFT

[wise echo]

If youre using a spear if follows the mouse but not other weapons wtf

[stiff nexus]

UH?

let me check i guess

[wise echo]

I just tried with bow, swords and dagger.

[stiff nexus]

Are you sure you're simply not using the mouse only movement?

Because for me all that changes is that Default makes it work as it should

Keyboard Movement bricks it

[wise echo]

Nope.

You can change to "all mouse"

If you want

[jagged sedge]

all mouse is better for me anyway

[stiff nexus]

i find it chiller using wasd

FOUND IT -_-

It's the Keyboard Movement - Movement Abilities

The short range one forces it to your direction

if you switch to All - Follow Cursor it fixes it

Jesus

[jagged sedge]

thanks so much lol

[crimson latch]

Thank you Doug

I was crying

Hahhahaha

[gilded sequoia]

I love you

[stiff nexus]

So i guess that's why spear/bows were working because it was not considered short range

[wise echo]

Bows wrent working

[jagged sedge]

Is the forge bugged?

nvm

Bladestorm is pretty nice though

[wise echo]

I guess T7 corrupted will be quite common

[devout python]

Can someone more clever than me explain if Dancing Strike will now feel better than last patch?

The scaling has changed and it now scales with movement speed. Also no cooldown anymore

(Which means it scales with attack speed? unclear)

[wise echo]

It scales movement speed with attackspeed.

Up to 100% movement speed. The guy above said its way better. Lets hope so

[devout python]

Gotcha. Is it a buff, a nerf?

[pine hatch]

@rugged pollen 53 secs Uber

Like with my eyes closed

[rugged pollen]

the shuriken stacking should do like 4-5x the damage right

[pine hatch]

Yep

[rugged pollen]

yup

kekw

[jagged sedge]

What's this shuriken stacking thing

I never played rogue before

[rugged pollen]

it's a massive buff

[devout python]

So you need to stack movement speed and ignore attack speed? Or stack both? Sorry, this is a bit confusing 😄

[rugged pollen]

as

you want ms no matter what skills you use bro

😂

[jagged sedge]

What are you guys talking about

[devout python]

Oooooh I get it. Attack speed now increases movement speed which increases...the speed of the attack

As confusing as it gets but

You need more attack speed to increase Dancing Strike attack speed. In the end it is easier to understand like that lol

[rugged pollen]

@pine hatch do you think straight up shuriken spamming would do more dps than via DS?

in case you dont need the tankiness

[pine hatch]

I think bladeshield deals the most dmg

Even now charkram stacks

But I already tested

Charkram dummy around 20secs but bladeshield 16

[rugged pollen]

yeah im talking bladeshield

bladeshield should do the most damage now

[pine hatch]

Yeh

[rugged pollen]

double amount of projectile compared to line

[pine hatch]

You can have stacked charkram around you also with bladestrom which is very cool

[wary cedar]

already got on lol

[rugged pollen]

does chakram hit twice if you do that

or still only once

[pine hatch]

I think each still hit the same target once

Maybe not Im not 100% sure

I'm going to test zombie warlock now have to farm the boots first 🤣

[jagged sedge]

which weapon should I try to get as a rogue

I mean gamble

[finite arch]

leveling wow

[flint turret]

DONT USE IDOL ALTARS

you lose all idols and idol slots

[south mortar]

muh testcorruption1

[snow ember]

Dancing Strikes is 💯 now

[gilded sequoia]

@pine hatch jesus, just saw the ds vid

[pine hatch]

LoL

[jagged sedge]

what is dancing strikes

oh it's a bladedancer skill

[finite arch]

@flint turret u lvling with shurikens?

or pushing for multi and using that as main skill

[flint turret]

melee rend

so far so good

but yeah il lswap to multi

[finite arch]

oh u went melee

[wary cedar]

getting T7 drops on lv 17 feels illegal xd

[finite arch]

holy

[night laurel]

No ballista build this season 😒

[flint turret]

yeah i got this lvl 12

seems kinda stupid

[wary cedar]

i mean just makes starting easier

i think it's cool

[jagged sedge]

should I pick bladedancer?

[gilded sequoia]

Pick what you think looks fun to play

[jagged sedge]

I think that one interests me the most

[mystic orchid]

shadowrend feels sooooo good ❤️

[wary cedar]

it feels kinda clunky so far

[flint turret]

kekw

[jagged sedge]

lmao

[wary cedar]

does the wind up animation of shadow rend get 's fast wie bow attack speed?

[jagged sedge]

That would make sense

[topaz schooner]

Alright goat I know you got a bd planner @flint turret

[jagged sedge]

idk how to scale up my bladestorm damage p roperly

[wary cedar]

good thing i am a marksam huh

[blissful juniper]

as in they get deleted

[flint turret]

yes

[zenith rivet]

Not sure if any1 tried it yet but DS feels amazing to use

[wary cedar]

how do you lose that?

[flint turret]

equip idol altar and idols gone

thats ity

[wary cedar]

i equiped one and even changed it

nothing lost

[jagged sedge]

what skills should I be using for it?

[zenith rivet]

for me at least DS is very strong, it pretty much clears everything by itself

i specced into it and when for the Shadow Cascade proc right away

im only level 20 atm

that been said you can pretty much keep DS pressed and clear without having the issue of running out of man, i also specced Shadow Cascade and Shadow Rend testing things out

[snow bison]

do I have the impression that playing Rogue melee in the first levels is not a great idea? cause good god she's made of wet toilet paper

[wary cedar]

ok i could reconstruct the bug now lol

nvm i didnt

i just dropped the idol on the ground

[jagged sedge]

You weren't kidding

it is crazy

[gilded sequoia]

Better than umbral/bladestorm shadow daggers for leveling?

[zenith rivet]

i did Bladestorm+shurikens earlier, it was strong but DS feels stronger now

cant speak for everyone though, depends on the gear you get as well

i was lucky and got a couple of good corruptions

[crimson latch]

How is going ?

How does feel rogue ?

👀

I’m about 2 hours left to start playing

[wary cedar]

everything is bugged lol

[rocky zealot]

Any1 notice how using flurry with a bow with enough attack speed drops fps to 1?

Had to switch builds because of it, thought my friends minion necromancer was causing issues at first, but no. It was just the flurry messing up our game.

[crimson latch]

Buggy Patch? d