🔪┃rogue

[pulsar solar]

I have it on my sword but the damage is the same

In the skills interface

I tried it, maybe my ui is bugged again

Or maybe two handed sword with T7 melee physical damage doesn’t count. I don’t know

[flint turret]

wonder why indeed

[finite arch]

lol

[dapper bramble]

any chance umbral blades with recall will be good with the changes?

[summer charm]

does anyone know if shadows being "consumed" count as them "expiring"?

what actually triggers Umbral Remnant?

[flint turret]

they will be awesome

change to flow allows 100% more damage on recall and 20% shadow created per blade recall also adds both damage and defences

[twilit ibex]

Yeah it's gonna be a fun time with bladestorm to help with clear as well

And blade frenzy from it

[boreal monolith]

how are bow builds looking next patch chat

[dapper bramble]

honestly didn't cross my mind - how do you even build the stacks? does each cast of umbral counts as "unique" for flow?

[flint turret]

yes its a combo skill

[unique umbra]

Is there a discord where the community goes and hangs out in voice chat similar to how the POE discord is setup if you guys have ever been there?
I'm planning to hop in the new season of LE and wanted to know if there is a good spot to talk on VC with other player or if there is a help area for questions.

[sand dome]

hi friends, if you use net to proc smoke bomb, does that mean you can use the node that makes smokebomb a travel skill with a 5s CD and still use shift?

[zenith bridge]

Nope, they still share the cooldown once smoke bomb is procced by Net

[sand dome]

nooooooooooo

haha thank you c:

[crimson latch]

And the main dmg skill?

[eager mason]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/corrupt

[dusty coral]

jesus what is this

i'm really bad at excel

[flint turret]

so far im not sure how to read it either

i guess its work in progress

[eager mason]

yeah looks like it

does it mean positive chance is always 75%

and then you get from the pool depending on the weight

[rare jacinth]

wonder if the tier weighting is just placeholder values or if it really is an even distribution

[eager mason]

I would guess its even

[flint turret]

those combined add to 100

i guess its 33% positive and 33% negative and 33% no change

all negatives have the same chance of happening

positives are devided by category(whatever ot means) and an item type

[eager mason]

what about this tho

[flint turret]

dunno

[eager mason]

looks like it is static 75% for good

and then you get one of the outcomes from the pool

[flint turret]

ah category looks like is divided into idol and gear piece

[eager mason]

some of them have 100% standard affix I didnt get that part

[flint turret]

op if true

[rare jacinth]

I think that's just a catchall "if all else fails do this" roll

[flint turret]

im actually surprised this thing appeared this early

[eager mason]

it is there for forgeable items and uniques without slams

[rare jacinth]

we really need to know what factors go into that max chance to make any conclusions imo

do high equip level items have a lower chance for high-value outcomes?

[flint turret]

i dont think they are relevalt whatsoever

from what im seeng if its true, corruptions will have much better outcomes than i expected initially

good news

[rare jacinth]

oh yeah lmao if nothing else this is way better than e.g. PoE vaal orb 25% for a corrupt implicit followed by a wretchedly weighted pool of junk mods

[twilit ibex]

Either da or hs, can use it as a pseudo traversal skill with Pursuit node but I can't imagine it's that good just because you'd still end up squishy

Maybe with tabi and ward gained on shadow creation you'd get some decent amount of ward but that would involve spamming rend and it just won't do enough damage without multishot, then you'd need to figure out mana for the build

[flint turret]

looks like i misunderstood set corruptions previously. i thought we can corrupt set items and it will only pools form corrupted affixes, but those "min affixes to replace" and mention of regorged set i guess imply that corrupting a set item will result in turning it into rare orexalted set item with all affixes being replaced by random ones and corruption affix added on top

[lime folio]

or it could simply be a way to differentiate it from a basic set item, having the default stats and affixes
as soon as anything modifies it, it becomes reforged
i'd still say it keeps all its stats and add a corruption affix

[crimson latch]

im smoking something weird on this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnapY89E

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (34) / Bladedancer (20) / Marksman (54) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,442, Regen: 27.14/s
▸ Mana: 248.38, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 125 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 107% / 58% / 107% / 67% / 71% / 90% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 488
▸ Dodge Chance: 33% (1153)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,636)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 27%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Multishot / Dark Quiver / Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb

[snow ember]

33% dodge 32% armor 27% glance... You're gonna get bent over at high corruption, I hope you're playing softcore

[covert furnace]

When the description for Bladestorm says multiple can't hit the same enemy (by default), does that include secondary projectiles like Shirukens from it?

[twilit ibex]

I'd go for more ward retention, maybe strands of souls

Also heartseeker for mana back is good but with Blades of the Pyre on 2/3 you're gonna blow through it very fast

[twilit ibex]

He doesn't have any dusk shroud stacks on his buffs and he'll be running at least 8-10 on avg so those numbers will be a bit higher lol

[brittle blaze]

Any dancing strike enjoyers?

[crimson latch]

i dont remember the effect of rune of evolution

does the rune seal the affix into another slot? for example. if i want to seal dex t8 and a set shard, is it possible?

[twilit ibex]

"Moving it to its own second sealed affix slot"

[bronze birch]

What are the pros and cons of Bladedancer vs Falconer? For going bladestorm shurikens?

[crimson latch]

Shadow dmg t8 seems amazing

[bronze birch]

I kinda like the birb and haven't played it before. Is that enough reason to go falconer.

[crimson latch]

BD is more tanky I think

[bronze birch]

Ah spicy

[slow sierra]

and extra shadows

[bronze birch]

Falconer more like out of combat / just running around comfort?

[slow sierra]

You do substantially more damage with the Syn Strike into Surikens on single target

because you have more shadows

[bronze birch]

Hmm, the essentially multi shadow clone jutsu finisher for bosses does seem dope

[uncut pebble]

Are there really no weapon for throwing focus build? Thought it was daggers but they're all melee

[raw magnet]

Technically iron hammer gives phys%

Not throwing specific, but it'll do the job until you get a better stat stick

[slow sierra]

There a throwing staff

Bo staff

[raw magnet]

Oh right. Bo

[uncut pebble]

Ive always played mage, and thought id try out rogue with throwing stuff this season. Seems weird to not have a weapon for throwing lol

[raw magnet]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDMCYA4E4g

[iron crane]

can i still play the normal shadow cascade build? or is there another/new variant to play? im new and idk what to start on season 4

[north tree]

yes its probably stronger now more than ever

there will be different versions

[desert bridge]

The only nerf it saw was some snapshotting thing that 90% of people probably didn't do, and they buffed it to compensate

[iron crane]

thanks guys

[frank pine]

s tier?

[lyric hollow]

Guys, i like the fantasy of reign of winter heartseeker. I saw multiple comments about that build is not good / able to beat uber. Someone with experience can tell me if this build can be good in s4? Iam coming from LB RM and last seasons game was quiete easy

[wary cedar]

you can beat uber with it but takes some time, @flint turret here did in

i m gonna play heartseeker this season again, so you wouldnt be alone x)

[vale sage]

Hey is there any decent ranged marksman build around ? No dot based please

[lyric hollow]

Heartseeker 🤣

[lyric hollow]

Might wanna have a chat via dms later when Iam from work if you have spare time and interest talking about the start

[vale sage]

Will check this thanks, anything else ? Like multishot or detonating arrow?

[wary cedar]

sure thing, i ll be home in like 5hrs from now on

[polar saffron]

shadow rend multishot seems okay but heartseeker is proven

[flint turret]

But what about "min affixes to replace" = 4 then?

[elder condor]

Wait.. what are they doing to umbral blades? (:

Heard something about it being its own skill

[wary cedar]

always been it own skill lmao

[flint turret]

Its definitely not "easy" to kill Uber with hs, but it's possible. You wouldn't want to farm Uber with it for sure tho. New corruption will help a lot ofc, but still...

I'd say for acceptable Uber hs kills with crit hs we would need to have shurikens slams on bow and quiver. Otherwise it's either zhp gambling or endurance race with zdps

If you are set on doing Uber with hs I can recommend doing it with dot version. Less strain on your resistance because no mourningfrost and you also get leech over time instead of health on hit only

[elder condor]

Did they nerf that falconer umbral blade build into the ground a while ago or?

[fading burrow]

no? why is that

[lyric hollow]

It would be only once to have it done Basicly. Else Iam interested in map blasting around 1k corruption and play the new season mechanic breach style. Thanks for your response btw

[flint turret]

Hs is perfectly fine for 1k

[lyric hollow]

I usually play lightning blast rm the clear from hs seems definitely better

[flint turret]

Im a rogue one-trick so can't really compare sorry

[lyric hollow]

🤣🤣 same for me with LB but I can’t do it anymore wanna start and learn something new.

And it seems hs is the closest to tornadoshot Lightning arrow style poe

Chain / fork a lot of speed and decent avoidance

Aaaaand ofc freezing / shatter

[vale sage]

Id like a skill like poe ice shot or lightning arrow

Long range, wide clear, map echo zoomer , not really a bosser

[blazing locust]

We all want a lot more skills Pulse, given they take months to give us 1-2 new skills considering the entire tree, interactions between legendaries etc I don't expect a massive pump of new skills in the close future

Also I have doubts skill sygils will be entirely gameplay changing instead of just a bit more dmg / utility additions to a skill but who knows - I might be wrong

[flint turret]

bd should be getting the missing skill, outside of that not so much except for sigils yeah

[vale sage]

It was more of a question if there is anything similar hahaha sorry for my wording

[blazing locust]

Lightning arrow I would say your best bet is I think the sentinel throwing skill - forgot its name

you can make it lightning and if I remember correctly it has some sort of fork/chain

but that gets viable if you convert it to a rain down skill 😄

[night spruce]

hey fellas

im tryna cook around burning daggers and the new set

[blazing locust]

@vale sage this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifjGi_ha3xc

[night spruce]

Think a setup like 4x Fire Dancing Strike with throw cascade triggers into first strike cinder could be a thing?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qqwg0KOM

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (71) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,575, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 26 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 159% / 0% / 0% / 15% / 0% / 2% / 32%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 52%, Threshold: 677
▸ Dodge Chance: 11% (337)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (456)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 65%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 67%

Used skills:

Cinder Strike / Shadow Cascade / Explosive Trap / Dancing Strikes / Acid Flask

[night spruce]

What im wondering is

if I use Cinder Strike first strike as my flow expender

if burning daggers are both affected by first strike more crit (Searing Blows) and the flow more crit (Pulse)

[burnt cradle]

Hey guys, can anyone tell me if shadow cascade per shadow affix work on the shadow's SDs as well or just yours and if it does, do all the shadows gain the same bonus or it falls off as each shadow is consumed?
Also, unrelated, does Shadow Daggers inherit the skill tree bonus of the skill that procc it? Being a sub-skill and all

[flint turret]

shadow daggers is basically its own skill that is triggered by you getting 4 stacks of ailment on an enemy

so no it doesnt inherit anything neither its a shadow skill

[burnt cradle]

Thank you

[burnt cradle]

How about the SC damage per shadow, does the Shadow's SC get it as well?

[flint turret]

yes, because shadows copy your skills and is basically the same as you casting the skill(with a tiny bit of exceptions)

[drowsy wind]

skills triggered by shadows scale with minion modifiers or player modifiers?

[zenith rivet]

Quick question: Do you guys feel a Lethal Mirage build this season would be weaker compared to previous seasons?

[night spruce]

stronger if anything

[sage canyon]

It got tripple dmg on crit version so no

Very clunky to play if u want to get that tho

[zenith rivet]

how the hell did i miss that on the patch notes?

[sage canyon]

U got 50% more dmg effect thats the only skill change

But u also got new flow threshold for double dmg

So just need to proc lm on every 4th unique skill and gl with that

[zenith rivet]

oh like that

i was thinking more of a spam build with BBC, i did that in S2 or S3 and it was really fun to play

[night spruce]

Does anyone here know if Burning Daggers are affected by tree nodes affecting Cinder Strike? (e.g. First strike cinder strike bonuses applying to first strike burning daggers? Anything outside top right of Cinder Strike tree, really)

[sage canyon]

Yes u still spam with bbc

Just not brainlessly now

[zenith rivet]

im going to whip up a planner and see how it goes

lots of stuff to try

[crimson latch]

x2 :p

[ebon cypress]

Ballists still looking to be giga OP?

[crimson latch]

yes

i think its going to be op with the corrupt affix that gives %dmg per meter from the target

[kind adder]

No, they don't scale with anything else in the tree besides the 50% more damage node

Pretty sure you have to scale them by themselves

[night spruce]

the subskills in this game still aren't consistent X_X

[kind adder]

Not at all no

[flint turret]

On dot too, we got pulse

[flint turret]

You just do something like 3-umbrals-shift-lm

Or 3ds shift lm in case of dual fulgrites

But if you were playing and referring to shadow daggers spam lm, it gets nothing from the lm buffs

You do get throwing relic tho, and just corruptions in general, that's about it

[zenith rivet]

i did a physical LM version in Season 2 but w/o the Shadow Daggers

just tried to get as much dmg as possible out of the actual LM

[flint turret]

physical with bbc?

[zenith rivet]

yeah

[flint turret]

just why

[zenith rivet]

bcz i couldnt get enough point to convert it at the time and i only really wanted the cooldown and quicker attacks you get from BBC

i wasnt trying to kill Uberoth with it or anything

[flint turret]

sounds weird but okay

[zenith rivet]

it was a bit

[potent rune]

Warpath 110 k corruption take that kartal ballista🤣

[zenith rivet]

i had started to work on a lighting variant but for some reason i never got around to actually doing it

[flint turret]

i mean you get free pen and more damage from shock basucally for free on top of 20 flat for 1 point investment in lm

you lose the ability to bleed with lm so thats unfortunate but you have to combo it anyway

[zenith rivet]

yeah i know but i was also proccing SC with it and it seemed like physical was the better choise

[flint turret]

ah that makes more sense now

but you cant snapshot cascade now

its fixed in 1.4

[zenith rivet]

yeah 🙁

i am looking for a lighting variant atm with just LM spam and getting out as many shadows as possible

to consume with it

or something along these lines

my builds kinda get shape in my head, somewhat work in action and then i just switch 324249230742 things around until they get better

[dusty coral]

Hello handomes, any of you have cooked a Bladestorm shuriken planner that I can copy and modify to match my playstyle please ?

[flint turret]

trikster did for example, ive seen some others on yt as well

[dusty coral]

Where can I find this trikster beauty

[flint turret]

#🎥┃video-shoutout is generally a good way to start comdined with "bladestorm shuriken" searches on y\t

[slow sierra]

I am just interested what form of shurikens is going to feel/be the best.

[kind adder]

Actually LETools lists two different burning dagger skills, one with CS as a source and one with heartseeker... so I'm wondering if they do scale separately with the skill that cast it

[slow sierra]

I think blade shield will be best on ST but for clear it is going to be something else

[night spruce]

if it works itd be cool

[slow sierra]

maybe bladeshield with ricochet?

[night spruce]

cause you could combine Pulse with first strike more crit for throw crit

[slow sierra]

dunno have to test

[flint turret]

but bladeshield cant be triggered by bladestorms right?

whats the point

[slow sierra]

People are speculating that it circles around the bladestorms

[flint turret]

ah in this case its giga busted st

[slow sierra]

literally all speculation have to wait to see how it works in practice

but yeah

[flint turret]

for clear ricochet probably

[round topaz]

@uncut mantle Theres a mistake in your guide. "Fury Leap" as Rogue

[slow sierra]

I am wondering why so many of the guides are not recommending Jormun's set

seems crazy good for damage

[flint turret]

weapons are kinda meh

[slow sierra]

and its not like the MH traitors is very good

[flint turret]

mh reen is tho

[zenith rivet]

@flint turret Do you think using only the Doppleganger Chest piece for the +1 max shadow is worth it?

[slow sierra]

but 20% more from mh + belt seems very good? no?

[flint turret]

dunno i havent made a planner for new lm yet, might be

[flint turret]

it does but belt is also meh

[zenith rivet]

to be fair it has very good stats on it but i guess it can be used as a shard instead for the +1 shadow

[slow sierra]

Not saying using the belt but crafting a T7 Exhalted set belt

and T7 exhalted MH

just have to seal the set affix T1

[flint turret]

can be decent but too bothersome compared to slamming reen+beer

[slow sierra]

set ups I am referring to are Low life so they are not using beer belt

[flint turret]

why lowlihe specifically?

[slow sierra]

Bladedancer death's door node

[flint turret]

okay since we lost chains belt for damage it can be decent replacement i guess?

with primo dagger it makes more sense maybe

[slow sierra]

Primo dagger I think is better with a life build

[flint turret]

im just not a fan of how much more conditional the crit multi is compared to reen

[slow sierra]

I do not think you will get many reen stacks in BS/shuriken

[flint turret]

its per bleed on a target which is bacially never for mono clears

[slow sierra]

only really going to proc on syn strike or is there something else?

[flint turret]

its only for bosses

[kind adder]

@snow ember started an offline to see how leveling dancing strikes is... it's not terrible for speed and clear but single target is horrible

[flint turret]

wait you were talking about bs\shuriken?

[kind adder]

Would have to go like puncture or something to help with single target
Hopefully with the set and buffs to the passive tree it feels a little better

[flint turret]

then both reen and jormund make no sense

[slow sierra]

I guess I was mainly referring to BS/shuriken how most of the guides are not including Jormuns set

seems like an auto include

instead they are using double TT or some other stuff

[flint turret]

what does jormun even do for bs shuriken

it has almost 0 stats for it

[slow sierra]

20% more multiplier 2 set

set bonus for 2

[flint turret]

you will get more rhan 20% for +4 skills combined with multi from tongues

[slow sierra]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5Pg0eM3

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (61) / Marksman (27) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,766, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 287.8, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 49 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 59% / 59% / 59% / 66% / 61% / 66% / 71%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 353
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2733)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,814)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 116%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 95%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Shurikens / Synchronized Strike / Bladestorm / Smoke Bomb

[slow sierra]

like this

just missing +2 not +4

[flint turret]

yeah i guess its probably good in such scenario

[slow sierra]

I feel like the set is great for most Dual Wielding set ups unless you really need 2 specific weapons

or a specific belt

[flint turret]

you value 20% from set but not 116% and 200 multi from ds?

[slow sierra]

?

where

[flint turret]

rhythm+arena

its a different topic but the convo began from how much you value more multi if im not mistaken

[slow sierra]

I mean depends

[fickle shard]

Hello everyone, what build would you recommend to play with?

[slow sierra]

I just do dps calcs and I can see how much a "more" multipler affects damage compared to almost every other stat most of the time. However it depends on the "more" multi percent and your other stats currently and how much you have to give up, but from my experience a 20% more multi is worth more than 3 T7 stats alot of the time, from a dps perspective.

[uncut pebble]

Something with Kuzan's set xD

[night spruce]

I really wanna do kuzan's set

but im yet to get an answer

for 3 days

about how kuzan's works with cinder strike

[slow sierra]

If you are looking for a solid rogue build that will probably not let you down BS/shuriken

[night spruce]

dancing strike with throwing cascade trigger into cinder strike Expender sounds awesome

but idk if it even works right

[flint turret]

i cant say i agree with your conclusions about 3xt7. most of the time a single t7 is around 15% on a weapon at worst

[night spruce]

hey @flint turret what do you think of my idea?

[uncut pebble]

thinking bout kuzan + wisp (https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgzALATArEA) == shadows and wisp casting fire skills too

[flint turret]

did you have your answer about burning daggers from cinder?

[night spruce]

Not yet :/

i bumped it 3 times

[fickle shard]

ok

[flint turret]

i mean if we have 300 flat (which is a lot already) and add a single t7 flat of 65, thats already 21% more

[slow sierra]

Yeah you are probably right most T7 on weapons are about 15% so I guess it is worth like an extra T7 affix.

not 3

so if you are not giving up that much it seems really worth to get a T7 affix

Until you get ultra late game you are pretty much limited to 1 T7 per item

unless lucky but you know what I mean

[flint turret]

unless its a tongue with easy 3lp

[slow sierra]

hard part is finding the double T7 exhalt

even harder with imprint nerfs

[flint turret]

crafting this with the exact affixes is harder

[slow sierra]

No just find T7 seal a t1 and craft

its pretty easy t1 guarenteed

[flint turret]

yeah but the rest isnt

[slow sierra]

With havocs and other stuff I can have an item like that in 2 days

shred affix and even pen affix dont have to be 5 to be good

[flint turret]

yeah id have to agree

[flint turret]

overall im not a fan of cinder regardless

[night spruce]

well, only really using it as a burning dagger "expender"

[flint turret]

i dislike it even more after they intoduced embers, baited me into leveling with cinder and both cinder and embers were terrible

[night spruce]

xdd

[slow sierra]

lol

[flint turret]

i have a character named RagulCind that ended up not playing cind after leveling

and transitioned into crit cascade

[night spruce]

cinder is not the only part of the build tbf

can very well be cascade

as the throw expender

if daggers turn out to be shite

[flint turret]

flow and pulse won work on cascade shadows

so that might have to be lm or something that will

[night spruce]

not really doing shadows here

only 1 from DS

[flint turret]

do you really need embers then

whats the difference of you having it or not

[night spruce]

hoping for more kuzon stacks

[flint turret]

just for that? dam

[night spruce]

eh can very well run like

truesight glass

esp if crit doesnt work

from cinder

[flint turret]

also i think it wont even work on embers

because sword says when you USE

and not simply hit

[night spruce]

trueee

might drop embers then

maybe wings of discord

[flint turret]

i dont tlike this overall because:
-you will have like only 1 shadow for 25% more becaseu snapshot is gone
-melee got buffed from 200 to 300 while throw didnt

-alsso no boots for more meelee meaning another 52% more gone

[night spruce]

Bleh

[flint turret]

i think throwing casacde is pretty much dead in 1.4

unless ignite or something

[night spruce]

well burning daggers do have 100% ignite chance

hmmge

[slow sierra]

some people were speculating that each dagger would trigger BS

[flint turret]

i think devs replied they dont

wont find it tho

[slow sierra]

then its ded if that is true

could be cool triggering 20+ bs hits a cast

[eager mason]

did they answer if melee and daggers both trigger

[crimson latch]

any MM enjoyer ? so we can team up with theorycraft

[flint turret]

bs dont have damage multies really so its whatever

[eager mason]

when you dont spec the one that removes melee

[flint turret]

and how dfo you get 20 ?

[slow sierra]

2 BS

[flint turret]

okay... how do you get 10

[slow sierra]

triggering for each dagger you throw and shadows throw

[flint turret]

melee+throw?

okay i see

[slow sierra]

you throw what 7 daggers id have to look

each shadow throws 7

[night spruce]

oh you guys talking shadowstorm?

[flint turret]

they hit once per enemy

[night spruce]

like hitting bladestorms with X daggers + melee?

[slow sierra]

I am not saying this works

but If each dagger triggered BS dmg

[flint turret]

but if you count sync into cascade with both melee and throw components in adds up to 10 okay

but im mostly sure it doesnt work anyway

[slow sierra]

I think I am with you

I probably does not work

[flint turret]

yeah

[slow sierra]

it would be 7 daggers with 2 shadows is 21 dagger with 2 bs would be 42 bs hits? if all hit?

[flint turret]

even if it works with daggers it would follow the same logic as for enemy which is 1 dagger max per shadow

[night spruce]

40 stack bladestorm sounds fun that being said

[slow sierra]

I agree long shot of working but would be interesting if it worked

[crimson latch]

holly molly

[blazing locust]

approaching d3 levels of stupidity with these 😂😂

[slow sierra]

Is that T8 chest affix

[vivid cypress]

I'm looking for the best build that doesn't use red rings. Like ever. I play MG and just dont wanna deal with that. Does ballista ever want those?

[slow sierra]

GL almost every build uses them as they are pretty much broken. Each build has to have a reason not to use them.

[vivid cypress]

hmm so Ballista Falconer uses that?

I guess I can just go COF

[slow sierra]

ballista falconer probably could use phantom grips

[vivid cypress]

I see on maxroll guide yeah 2x phantom grips

[slow sierra]

but ballista falconer is a zhp build

[vivid cypress]

as aspirational

[slow sierra]

which is kinda meh if you do not mind random dying

[kind adder]

Guys we're all forgetting about the best rogue skill

[vivid cypress]

I heard zdps ballista falconer was like one of the absolute best endgame builds tho.

i guess it just randomly has to accept random death?

[slow sierra]

You have to always manage silvershoud

and be very careful playing throwing balistas ahead of you

but it does do alot of damage

[vivid cypress]

hmm ill try it out this season

or Lightning Blast RM, that also doesn't use RR i beleive

[kind adder]

Flurry build is gonna go hard in 1.4

[slow sierra]

Lightning blast kinda got nerfed a bit

I believe they changed the int scaling on fragment catalyst so you only get 1 spell damage per int for spark charges down from 2 per int

[vivid cypress]

oh darn

[kind adder]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakyGqre

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (27) / Marksman (81) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,695, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 151.06, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 136 Dex / 21 Int / 21 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / -41% / 57% / 24% / 57% / 86% / 91%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 48%, Threshold: 407
▸ Dodge Chance: 44% (1627)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,774)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 103%

Used skills:

Flurry / Heartseeker / Puncture / Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb

[kind adder]

1,000c here I come

[flint turret]

whats the purpose of flurry here

and the cooldown node on hs

yo uwant to spam flurry? why then there is a puncture

[blissful juniper]

yo

what is parry chance gained as increase melee damage mean?

at 75% we get 75% inc damage or is it 100% per 1%?

[flint turret]

why would it be 100 per 1

[blissful juniper]

because the alternative is trash

[flint turret]

and 1300 inc for free from tongue seems okay?

[kind adder]

For the memes mostly lmao. Just wanted to see what it would look like to try to spam it. Puncture is there for extra clear with HS, cooldown on HS because it's mostly utility since I am spamming flurry

[flint turret]

if you are spamming flurry it means no punctures from hs

so clear doesnt exist

[kind adder]

Why's that?

When HS's target dies it launches puncture for every recurve it would have done

Doesn't have to be killed by HS

[flint turret]

yeah and you have like 10 recurves per 3 seconds

at best

and the target needs to die instantly

[kind adder]

Tbh I had the throwing HS helmet on in a previous version that did it a little better and I just haven't changed it since I changed the gear

But yeah manually casting HS with a cooldown is not optimal

Probably drop puncture for like shift or something

Or do traversal shadow rend

Also passives are not optimized, a bunch of wasted stuff in marksman. Don't need the leech node. And don't need health on crit in the flurry tree.

Lots to change in there, I just threw it together last night while I was bored

[flint turret]

i didnt even look into passives, the actives are troubling already'

close to 0 aoe clear

[kind adder]

Lmaooo it's flurry so I'm not surprised

Just a meme planner

[flint turret]

maybe at least make it channel fluurry multishot or something

[kind adder]

Wasting time until tomorrow 👀

[kind adder]

I hate channel skills

[flint turret]

at this point even cinder will be a better skill than flurry for clear thats is a single targer skill

[kind adder]

Sitting ducks, especially with something as weak as flurry

Maybe I'll test it out but I really hate how channel builds in this game play

So clunky

[flint turret]

it doesnt have to be channel flurry but you need at least some aoe

[kind adder]

Yeah... just didn't want to have to worry about scaling another skill. Not that I'm really planning to play this beyond a couple meme runs on an eternal char anyway

[lapis pumice]

can u stack those ?

ie. does it increases the cap, or just the chance

[past jasper]

Did someone played bladestorm? how does it perform without uniques? doable to do Empowered monolith early?

[lapis pumice]

bladestorm is new

[kind adder]

Lmao @zenith bridge I just found your flurry bladedancer video from S2 when looking for an example of channeled flurry. That actually looks kinda fun.

[kind adder]

Those force waves with a melee weapon seem to have decent clear ability. Maybe need to rework for that

[flint turret]

the aiming is awkward

i.e its possible to miss waves or melee component itself

but yeah its 100 times better than bow without any aoe

[kind adder]

Yeah nothing in patch notes about it either. Sadge

[zenith bridge]

Sadly they didnt fix the hitbox bug i guess. Couldnt find anything for it in the patchnotes.

[kind adder]

Yep just went and looked myself. RIP

[frank pine]

s tier?

[zenith bridge]

its also not a flurry exclusive problem. It also happens with melee detonating arrow

So something dual wield related

[frank pine]

marksman? stier?

s tier

[wary cedar]

in germany "Stier" means "bull"

hope that helped

[frank pine]

s tier build?

marksman?

[wary cedar]

idk

but Stier = bull

[kind adder]

Hmmm interesting. I always wondered why melee det arrow was so terrible. Besides it having like no synergies lol

[vivid cypress]

so i manage silver shrouds from Smoke Bomb? what else is there

[slow sierra]

also passive falconer tree

[vivid cypress]

kinda confused how that one works

the passive

[kind adder]

Fixed an issue where abilities would sometimes target erratically in certain situations, especially when near the edge or terrain.

Could this be a bit of a fix for it?

[zenith bridge]

dont think so no. The word ''sometimes'' doesnt make sense, because you can replicate the bug once you understand the correct positioning

and has nothing to do with terrain

[kind adder]

Damn

Well maybe in a mid season pass they fix it. Would love to play flurry 1-100, cool idea.

[covert nest]

I'm intrigued by the changes to flow. I was thinking bleed bladestorm to make use of flow's two 100% more damage multipliers. Umbral blades x3 > Shift (with all the bleed goodies) > Bladestorm. Idk how good it would be in practice but there is some synergy there.

[crimson latch]

aaaaaaah

just 1 day left

[wary cedar]

is there a way to make heartseeker lightning?

[slow sierra]

Could be good with pulse too because I think that double dips for 4x dot damage BS does have 60% reduced coeff for applying ailments though.

but it does hit 3 times a second so there is that

[covert nest]

Yeah, that is quite the downside. But it's the only skill I could make sense of to make use of the Flow dot multi without feeling shit to play

Hail of arrows could maybe work in theory

but having 2 homing bladestorms will feel so much better

Going the crit route is an option too

[snow ember]

Flow doesn't have two 100% more multipliers 👀

[covert cosmos]

I'm trying to figure out if the shadow spamming cascade will have any single target. The clear with making tons of dudes that auto-target, dash, then AoE and sometimes respawn/repeat seems fun for clear, but having a hard time figuring out how that will do on bosses.

[slow sierra]

Flow + Pulse for DoTs

[snow ember]

Oh yeah DoTs

[dapper bramble]

Never played a flow build, how does it work with conbo skills like Umbral/Cinder if you say use a movement skill in between?
How do you reset so it procs on the correct sequence again?

[slow sierra]

Every different combo counts

[snow ember]

Works fine @dapper bramble, just need four unique skills were each combo is considered unique

Cinder1 -> shift -> cinder 2 -> cinder3 is four unique skills

[covert nest]

It's easier to play than it sounds

[dapper bramble]

Yes I mean if you use another skill in between, now it’ll proc one combo earlier than you want. e.g. it’ll proc on the third umbral throw rather than the recall

[covert nest]

if you use 3x umbral blades and accidentally use a 4th, it won't add another stack of flow, so it's quite foolproof

you kind of need to get into a rhythm, I guess

[dapper bramble]

let’s say you have 3 umbral throw + 1 recall, if you do shift + 1st + 2nd, the third throw will consume since it’s a non channeled skill right?

then you get stuck in the incorrect loop until the buff resets

I’ve never used flow but it sounds like you could mess up the order just off of using something like smoke bomb or shift, no?

[covert nest]

yes, I think you kind of need to build around it

like I'm not adding buttons that will interrupt the rotation

[flint turret]

i havent really thought about it but yeah hoa seems like a huge winner for flow+pulse, might be starting monos with it

[covert nest]

it has a rather high pay off now though

Fire HoA with cinder strike as the combo builder crossed my mind too

[flint turret]

or umbrals shift to create shadows and regain mana

i think hoa might be the best uber skill now with low budget on mm. actually nwm pulse and flow wont work it looks like

[oak plume]

i wonder if rain traps work well by using bladestorm

[oak plume]

reduce mana cost of bladestorm to 0 with t8 throwing mana cost 🫡

to gain mana

[blissful juniper]

any ways to scale flat damage on multishot besides mourningfrost?

[flint turret]

night quiver and ll

[slow sierra]

They need to fix bows/Quiver having shit flat damage options compared to every other weapon type

[flint turret]

id say its already being fixed as we speak

[blissful juniper]

wdym?

[blissful juniper]

are corruptions like sealed affixes?

[slow sierra]

yes

[flint turret]

in a sense

[slow sierra]

I cannot wait for a triple T7 with a T5 Sealed a T8 Sealed and a corruption Sealed item

That item going to have so many lines of text

[blissful juniper]

This actually might be enough flat damage if you get both quiver and bow with the corrupts. T4 on both is equivalent to 80 dex from mourningfrost (ofc having both is ideal).

Also fixing res this season with Idol nerfs + the new omen idols is going to be difficult

might not even be worth dex stacking heavy with all the oppurtunity cost

[slow sierra]

Id rather they give better flat bow dmg affixes or increase the added dmg scaling of bow abilities rather than relying on a rare corrupted affix.

[blissful juniper]

I mean yea that would be better

[flint turret]

i entirely agree, bows and quivers should have better affix coefficient

but at least we are getting something

[slow sierra]

the 500% on shadow rend is a start

but like Heartseeker should have atleast a 200% added dmg mod rather than 100%

[blissful juniper]

heartseeker is such a funny skill

[flint turret]

hs is fine as it is

[blissful juniper]

it needs unique support

the fact that its only unique makes it a weird throwing skill is.....

questionable

[flint turret]

personally id be happy if rend multishot lands on the same power lvl as hs now

[slow sierra]

HS need icicles and mourning frost to kill uberoth in 7 minutes for an ability that was suppose to give the spec a way to do single target dmg

[flint turret]

7 minutes is quite fast for hs, i did it in 11

but i had pretty bad gear

we are getting shuriken on bow crit tho

this is gonna be crazy with hs

[blissful juniper]

hey man we get 14% to 24% more icicle chance this league!

[flint turret]

who cares about icicles

its not even the row one its worse

[sand dome]

do we know if shadow cascade's mana nodes work if it's indirectly cast, like thru shadow rend or dancing strikes?

[flint turret]

mana on shadow consume?

it works

[sand dome]

oh wow that's awesome :)

there's also mana refund if used with a shadow

that's exciting, thank you

[wary cedar]

WHAT IS

detonating arrow?

any good?

[snow ember]

No

[wary cedar]

WHY

[snow ember]

Damage not good relative to other options

[wary cedar]

not even in S4? D:

[snow ember]

Start with det arrow and tell us

[wary cedar]

oki

[frank pine]

s tier to start

[flint turret]

it got nerfed in s4 too btw

[frank pine]

bees?

[wary cedar]

but is this no good combo?

[flint turret]

better with lightning rend imo

[wary cedar]

then picture normal heartseeker

with the quiver i posted

and instead of smoke bomb traversal lightning rend?

[solar gyro]

What build should I level as? Will be my first time playing rogue in s4.

[flint turret]

bladestorm puncture bleed(kinda new but not really) or explosive umbrals shadow daggers(old but a bit nerfed) should do fine

maybe bladestorm shadow daggers too

we dont know how they will perform tho, should be fine i guess in combination with umbrals maybe

maybe baldestorm shuriken is good, hard to tell

basically everything gets changed one way or another this patch that was used for leveling

[slow sierra]

Terek has a leveling vid for rogue

[flint turret]

so no clear answer

[void cargo]

can pure dive bomb still beat ubers?

[flint turret]

i dont think it gets nerfs so probably?

might even be getting indirect buffs drom doppel set

easier shadows, shadow damage and shadow crit

[void cargo]

pure dive bomb is no shadowas mate

i know they nefred it so down that nobday played it

[flint turret]

what

is that even a build

[void cargo]

dive bomb and falconer

dive bomb main dps

[flint turret]

without shadows?

[void cargo]

yes

[flint turret]

how does it deal damage then

[void cargo]

a yee shdwos my bad 😄

lol

ill go this, will see is there something chnaged to or no, havent played it long long timr

new relics looks op

[flint turret]

@eager mason they added more and changed a bit from yesterday

now it looks more or less complete

[elfin hearth]

Does Sync Strike with Wave of Darkness (Shadows use Shadow Cascade) proc Shadow Cascade's mana gain per shadow from Fight In The Shadows?

I'm guessing not since the Shadow Cascade isn't coming from the player.

[flint turret]

i dont really get why is there an experimental affix for a bow for example tho

[eager mason]

I think the categories were seperate and now you can just see it all in 1 screen

[flint turret]

yeah

so i guessed that right yesterday at least

having 50% for a corrupted affix is actually huge

i guess i will get shuriken on bow crit afterall

dam that gonna be good

hopefully will leave bladestorm shuri enjoyers in the dust

[slow sierra]

So when we corrupt it looks like 75% of the time something positive will happen and 25% of the time something negative will happen

[flint turret]

looks like it, its consistent from yesterday

only the outcomes shuffled\added

[slow sierra]

and each of the positive outcomes/negative outcomes have weighting? Once Outcome has been determined?

[flint turret]

yeah dunno why it says "max chance" tho

when it looks like a constant one

also negatives all having 100% is weird

and Add Low Tier Standard Affix

[slow sierra]

Probably just means that they all have an equal likelyhood of happening when you hit negative outcome.

[queen seal]

I fixed some bugs with outcomes today.
It's still very early data, I can't really test any of that until the patch drops 🙂

[flint turret]

why is there experimental affix for things like legendary bow tho?

[queen seal]

It's just category specific outcome and doesn't care about item type.
Dunno yet what game does in the case where there are no valid affixes for the outcome, I'm guessing those outcomes are removed from the pool.

[flint turret]

i see...

[flint turret]

thanks for the work you do, i often find it very helpful

[pulsar solar]

Nah its not clunky.

[flint turret]

maxroll tierlist for s4 looks weird ngl

and no rend whatsoever sadge

[wary cedar]

they don't have the vision

[flint turret]

shadow cascade bd doesnt use neither doppel nor kuzan helm smh

bruh

multishot mm b tier no rend

[wary cedar]

maybe they jsut wait until they can verify stuff with testing

[flint turret]

i mean... bladestorm shuri is there already

tier a

oh well they will adjust it i guess

[wary cedar]

that's the final build i wanna try
ik slams are unrealistic to get, it's just so i have an overview of the stats i want

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QeYwnNmn

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (84)

General:

▸ Health: 1,818, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 171.19, Regen: 12.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 16/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 145 Dex / 14 Int / 14 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 87% / 48% / 117% / 58% / 67% / 92% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 70%, Threshold: 364
▸ Dodge Chance: 61% (2680)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,219)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 60%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Heartseeker / Shurikens / Puncture / Dark Quiver

[lyric hollow]

Especially the speedfarm one ..

[night spruce]

Do we have confirmation

if dancing strikes conversion converts bleeds to ignite?

or is that just base damage

[flint turret]

as for a speedfarm one im only interested in traversal cascade rend with experimental traversal belt

if it works out as i see it its gonna be awesome

[hybrid marsh]

i think im gonna play shadow cascade again lol

do we think trikster's cascade build is changed big time? i havent had time to look through patch notes

[uncut mantle]

thanks, fixed

[hybrid marsh]

i was just reading that! lol

@uncut mantle gonna use your shadow cascade build, any quick tips to throw in with the new season stuff or is it just a crapshoot?

[uncut mantle]

i dont know what crapshoot means lol

[flint turret]

yooooooo

shadow cascade mtx

[hybrid marsh]

crapshoot is like saying "no clue, nobody knows"

stems from craps shoot, craps being the casino dice game, shoot being the action of throwing dice, so "whatever it lands on, nobody knows"....thanks for listening to my american idiom explainations!

[eager mason]

7% chance to hit guile on amulet hmm

[wise echo]

I don't see any mention of ignite or dmg overtime buffs in the item so i guess not. But treat as like it works go for it

[night spruce]

im trying to make a dancing strikes oriented build a thing

[flint turret]

i think cascade now is either fire converted or with doppel helm, and both are new

[night spruce]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR6X1N3L here's where I'm at, idk if this is going anywhere.

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (65) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,233, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 158.51, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 13 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 444% / 61% / 86% / 69% / 59% / 61% / 68%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 1,132
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (516)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (577)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Explosive Trap

[flint turret]

its just plain better than old ones

[eager mason]

that + holy shuriken login

[wise echo]

Where's the reforged Jormun affix on the belt?

[night spruce]

oh dur that was meant to be a sealed one, added

[blissful juniper]

Is dancing strikes good enough to be a main skill now?

[night spruce]

I sure hope so!

Ragu is a nonbeliever

:^)

[blissful juniper]

its now* limited based on Movespeed right

[night spruce]

correct

[flint turret]

i never said that

[wise echo]

No.

[night spruce]

only ms is

[wise echo]

Still limited based on attack speed but you get movespeed now by getting attack speed.

[night spruce]

not attack speed

[flint turret]

ds is getting at least twice better

[night spruce]

I see through you, ya shadow spamming supremacist ;^)

[wise echo]

I also think Pillager's gold would be better than Kelthan relic

[night spruce]

8% more > 120% duration? idk about that

[flint turret]

there are so many builds i want to try but i cant do everything

[wise echo]

Huh, its saying 12% to me

Guess its a bug on the item page.

Huh, weird.

This is either another bug or its confirming that it transform bleed into ignite with Kuzon

[hybrid marsh]

everyone knows that shadow cascade is the most fun though right?

KEKW

[night spruce]

technically this isnt conversion

im not huge on cascade, mostly cause it necessitates running a ton of shadows which my build cannot really yield

at least not yet.

[wise echo]

Dancing Strikes have been the most fun for me.

[night spruce]

same

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-arnold-schwarzenegger-carl-weathers-gif-17765053

[wise echo]

Although the hitbox on the skill is terrible. How can the skill miss pointblank sometimes...

[night spruce]

well its got aoe buffs now

should help somewhat

[blissful juniper]

yea 20 to 35% more area

[flint turret]

for me the most fun was probably hs

[wise echo]

I just want to hit the enemy behind me with it as the skill makes you move

[little flower]

Anyone else trying blade storm? Going to wing it, haven't played blade dancer since the ancient times.

[blissful juniper]

I wish you could run multishot + hs without severely hurting one or the other

[vivid cypress]

so for zhp ballista i use smoke bomb to get 5 sss, then hope to god i dont get hit until its up again?

[hybrid marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80VawU85KNE&t=1722s

[flint turret]

im planning to go multi rend with hs support

[wise echo]

I wish you could trigger other marksman skills like you can with flurry+multishot

[night spruce]

no fire res stacking idols for rogue right

[little flower]

I'm avoiding content for it for now 😅

[blissful juniper]

hs for the flat damage?

[flint turret]

mostly yeah

[wise echo]

Theres one for fire res + ignite duration

[night spruce]

enchant or

[wise echo]

1x3/3x1

[night spruce]

ah

ty

[wise echo]

Enchanted

There's fire penetration with ignite idols for rogue

A weaver for ignite chance + penetration too

[night spruce]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5Pg0zKg idk if this is the best idol setup but its a thing

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (65) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,642, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 158.51, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 13 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 534% / 106% / 131% / 79% / 79% / 71% / 68%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 1,274
▸ Dodge Chance: 24% (821)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,051)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Explosive Trap / Net

[hybrid marsh]

@obsidian charm im interested in your shadow rend + cascade idea, will you be keeping it updated or are you gonna go the other two builds you posted?

[wary cedar]

@flint turret i just looked at this lastepochtool with the corruption tables. if my math and my understand is right t7 shurikan affix is 0,5%, exactly 1/200 like y all said xd
pls correct me if i m wrong here x)

[night spruce]

need to fit in endurance and like 20 crit reduction someplace

[flint turret]

how did you get to 1\200 from that table

[blissful juniper]

I just realized, they still haven't given bladedancer its 5th skill yet LMAO

2 new skills for rogue and still an incomplete spec

[flint turret]

its 3\4 for positive, 1\2 to add corruption affix and 1\9 to get shuri

[wary cedar]

0,75 (good outcome) x 0,5 (get corrupted affix) x 0,11 (there are 9 corrupted affixes on bow) x 0,14 (for t7)

i assumed the shuriken affix is a corrupted one, no?

[flint turret]

ah, if you add t7 then yes

[wary cedar]

i mean make it 1% for exalted

but odds ain't bad

[flint turret]

yep its pretty good

[wary cedar]

but at the end, all dpeends on how many runes you can get x)

[flint turret]

more than 4% to get it

without tier specifics

[wary cedar]

4.125% 🤓

[eager mason]

wait idol corrupting is so good

[wary cedar]

4% for any specific

wait

maybe not

but something like this

[eager mason]

wdym

[wary cedar]

depends on the amount of pool of corrption affixes

and if you calc in exalted or non exalted

[wary cedar]

what are these calcs bro?

WAIt

nvm

my bad

you talking about idols

😔

my problem with idols is that it can be hard to get a good base idol in the first place 😳

[lime folio]

56.25% to get a corruption affix on idols

[wary cedar]

can't wait for it

[eager mason]

yeah I took the max chance

didnt look at the weight

what is the max chance about

[wary cedar]

you know Max?

i had a Max in my school class when i was younger

[lime folio]

max chance is the fallback in case they add more weights in the future

[wary cedar]

that's all i can tell you

[lime folio]

the % is weight / (total weights)

[eager mason]

ok than

[lime folio]

that's a number

[eager mason]

yeah 5% isnt the best than if I have to enchant this and corrupt

and the pool has 3 bee affixes for no reason

[flint turret]

tbh id be worrying about idol corrupting only with a discord

since i just need only 1 of each

[eager mason]

they have flat tho

10 flat for melee and 8 for throwing

[flint turret]

good for sure but not really comparable to gear corruptions

[lime folio]

the bee affixes have a 0.1 weight
good luck hitting them

think it's 1% chance to corrupt into bees

depending if 10 or 14 corr affixes

[eager mason]

oh read bleed as bee

[rigid stratus]

falconer my favorite class and I really like bees... I think i'm going to try to play "bird and the bees" as my "starter"... but also acolyte looks kinda nice for bees 😩 someone talk me into/out of something lol

[lime folio]

easy to talk you out of it : it has little damage and 1% chance to hit bees on corrupting idols

[rigid stratus]

do you need the idol corruption if you use the decoy totem + the set?

[night spruce]

okay guys

i think this looks like something now @wise echo https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olVXNaRL

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (65) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,517, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 13 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 597% / 106% / 131% / 79% / 79% / 71% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,582
▸ Dodge Chance: 24% (821)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,307)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Decoy / Shadow Cascade

[flint turret]

i think it would be better this way

64% more

or wait rhythm wont affect dot?

or will it

[frail wolf]

Guys, is it a Trikster/Lizard Bladestorm or Dread's Shadow Rend angle?

[flint turret]

it should

[flint turret]

why would you ask us, everyone have different preferences

i mean those are completly different so you cant even compare them really

[night spruce]

So you're dropping 200% bleed chance, 40% more vs rares/bosses, 20% more for 64% more and giga mana costs?
Itll affect dot but i dont think that travel is worth it

[flint turret]

more vs rares only applies to ds

20% more from where?

ah close combat

i think you want to have bigger range no?

manacost is not giga, its 6 per. you dont have any mana spenders really

you are already sitting on 1k+ ignite chance, 200% is less than 20% more

so yeah rhythm looks better

[night spruce]

i think you might actually want to slow down once you get too zippy

Hmm

[flint turret]

you can just aim below yourself and you stay still

no need to decrease max range

[night spruce]

trueee

i guess if you consider cascade as well

the rhythm helps

[flint turret]

i think you want it maxed tho

[night spruce]

now im thinking if i should drop bot left entirely

arena is so point heavy

[flint turret]

but imn not really finding easy + skills i guess its just corruptions at this point

[night spruce]

and i can have bleed per rhyhthm too

[flint turret]

body to wings maybe

[night spruce]

think shadows + +3 mana cost rhythm is sustainable?

[flint turret]

using ds counts as you moving anyway

[flint turret]

you dont have shadows in ds tho

with them i doubt

without its just 6 mana

[night spruce]

If cascade refunds it might be sustainable

[flint turret]

ofc it does

wdym if

[night spruce]

i mean

running both

cascade gives 6 mana back for shadow so its a net of 1 mana cost back so its possible its sustainable

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6P4n5wl looks tankier already

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (65) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,246, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 136.51, Regen: 11.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 13 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 529% / 66% / 131% / 84% / 79% / 71% / 53%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,461
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2805)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,585)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 106%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Decoy / Shadow Cascade

[flint turret]

its not even a question

[night spruce]

you said "with them I doubt"

[flint turret]

with shadow creation on ds

[night spruce]

yeah

[flint turret]

which you dont have

[night spruce]

i do now

😄

on same page xD

[flint turret]

11 mana is rough

we are looking at 3-4 aps

or maybe even 4+ i dont think you can sustain it

[night spruce]

hmm

yeah

wishful thinking ig

btw

Mike said they will hotfix the cinder strike 5 dagger interaction with the new set

[flint turret]

so it will work?

[night spruce]

it will

just not sure if on release

and not sure if on shadows

[flint turret]

nice i guess? not that i care much about cinder anyway

[night spruce]

its a good expender

can very well use it over cascade tbh

would have to compare multis for ignite

[flint turret]

i think lm might be the best one currently

just because the amount of hits

and pulse\flow

[night spruce]

idk if pulse/flow will work on daggers

or say

idk

volatile flask

[flint turret]

it wont

only direct casts, not even damage from shadows

the most direct of the direct

[night spruce]

im not opposed to dropping something for LM

if its good for ignite

could then put points into resolute technique in DS

[flint turret]

i have no idea but the numbers are there with pulse

especially when casted with rhythm

but you dont have any shadows for it thats kinda sad

wont be nearly as good

[night spruce]

i dont see the multis

youre seeing :p

[flint turret]

umbral feast+flow+rhythm

but no shadows no damage

[night spruce]

yea that wont work for me

[blissful juniper]

if they made phase point just +1 bow void damage per dusk shroud, would it be too strong? 🤔

[flint turret]

i would be using it, dunno if its "too" strong

[night spruce]

sync strike is better for this between attack speed buff, 200% bleed chance, shadow dancing, maybe even Dark Passage

[flint turret]

20-30-ish conditional flat is not that high

[flint turret]

do you even have a soyrce of crimsons without?

ah you dont need them nwm

[night spruce]

Scarlet Stream is a thing now

[flint turret]

you dont use mahelins gloves

[night spruce]

i use axe

But im lowkey hoping it converts on its own

[blissful juniper]

yea, it would go from almost unused to just generically strong

[night spruce]

then i can use 2x sword

or sword +dagger

[pulsar solar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdzkNMwK

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (58) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (7)

General:

▸ Health: 2,500, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 128.51, Regen: 16.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 117 Dex / 14 Int / 14 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / 82% / 92% / 79% / 64% / 86% / 91%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 650
▸ Dodge Chance: 49% (1830)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,530)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Lethal Mirage / Shadow Cascade / Shift / Umbral Blades / Smoke Bomb

[pulsar solar]

i thik this build wouldnt work

is the highest dmg but has health issue cause of the helmet

[lyric smelt]

shadow rend mtx is so damn sexy

[pulsar solar]

i ll buy it for suree

[crimson latch]

This is for which build ?

[blissful juniper]

just thinking of ways they could give marksman buffs

its not for any specific build

[rotund plover]

are we alive for this patch

[ebon cypress]

Ballists falconer still op?

I never played it, but wanna give it a go

Any tips? What is the best way to keep shroud stacks up

[hybrid marsh]

whoever is making a shadow cascade build feel free to @ me lol

else ima use trikster's season 3

[ebon cypress]

I heard it can get easily 1 shot and u gotta be in the ball with silver stacks

[hybrid marsh]

lizard just posted a video of datamined corruption rune data

[lime folio]

ye, we've known since yesterday, tunklab posted them

[slow sierra]

odds look to be better than PoE2

thats a win

lol

[hybrid marsh]

ah, i was just trying to help

[dire forge]

it's fine, probably not everyone was aware of tunk having uploaded them

[dire forge]

tech is different for 1.4 but apparently it does work still

[ebon cypress]

Are the new skills expected to be OP?

[hybrid marsh]

bladestorm

[crimson latch]

Idk, i have faith for shadow rend

[slow sierra]

Shadow Rend will be ok but do roughly 1/2 the bossing damage as BS/Shurikens

[hybrid marsh]

bina's cascade vs lizard's bladestorm, what to play what to play

[potent rune]

Who knows i personally think shadow rend will scale better than bladestorm but only time will tell

[hybrid marsh]

i saw that max pita guy doing a shadow rend + cascade theorycraft

and dreadful's shadow rend cook

[potent rune]

I do have a lot more confidence on bina than lizard ,a lot better creator by a mile

[slow sierra]

It does not you can do the damage calculations

[potent rune]

You can do any calculations wait for patch

[hybrid marsh]

!remindme 30 hours

put a timer on and fight about it in 3 days for entertainment

[slow sierra]

waiting doesnt change the numbers

[potent rune]

Same people where putting flay on a tier when its literally same but stronger so yeah I wait for the actual patch a lot of stuff ti see

[blissful juniper]

huh

[dire forge]

that pita guy who made a planner with 8 reforged set items?

it's a horrible planner with an uncapped crit, mess like crit vuln on a melee weapon which you could apply with marksman passive, wearing both jormun weapons is even better than this reforged garbo

[slow sierra]

I guess I should clarify Multi Shot Shadow rend will do less than BS/Suriken I have not calc'd out other versions of it ie shadow cascade etc.

[potent rune]

Yeah multishot has never been very strong endgame i aint talking about that one

With 500% added effectiveness for shadows there is something there

[blissful juniper]

The shadows benefit from both Multi shot and Rende more multipliers right? Does it use the 500% added effectiveness or the 120% I guess is the big decider

[slow sierra]

no

should be just multishot since multishot has its own tree

and it would be the 120%

[left glen]

Can you have blade shield and Chakram allocated at the same time? Or does the behavior of one overwrite the other?

[kind adder]

Yes you can, the chakram will orbit you

[left glen]

Huh. Does it hit multiple times like a normal thrown Chakram? Or is it a limit of 2 hits per target?

[kind adder]

If I remember correctly it cannot hit the same target multiple times

Or if it does, then 2 is the limit

[left glen]

Ok. So not great if you're in range to make the blade shield hit anyhow. Thanks

[dire pawn]

@zenith bridge running ur starter for this league

falc version

[vivid cypress]

should i use smoke bomb on cd as ballista? to make sure i dont randomly die 😄

to keep up SS stacks

[silk coral]

rate the new rogue skill mtx

[brittle blaze]

I’m so ready to party

[desert bridge]

Yeah, definitely don't use it if you're in range for blade shield, the shurikens will all hit the same target, so if you're at melee it's like the Deadly Aim node but better, because it doesn't halve the number of projectiles.

[rain fractal]

Hello, Does the zhp ballista hard to play for the new player ?

[left glen]

That was my thought. Just wanted to be sure I was considering my options

Chakram would have to hit a target like 6 times to be better

[desert bridge]

Also I think I saw something about any number of shurikens orbiting you with blade shield, so with throwing attack speed, you could have a bajillion shurikens around you, which might actually be kinda nutty

Yeah

[left glen]

I'm looking at using blade dance to proc shurikens. Every other hit pops a set

So it should be pretty good if thr new aspd scaling....works

[desert bridge]

oh yeah, at that point don't worry about throwing attack speed, go for melee attack speed instead

Get the shurikens from Shift and that

[left glen]

Gonna try shadow strike actually

Shift is only 5 shuriken

[desert bridge]

I wonder if the "Speed and range" nodes in shuriken change the distance at which they orbit

[left glen]

Shadow is 2 full sets

So like...18-20

[desert bridge]

oh yeah, not a bad idea

[left glen]

We'll see if it feels clunky

[desert bridge]

Something you could do though would be to use the doppelganger set with Shfit to create 3 shadows, then shift and use shurikens once to cast it 4 times

So you'd get 5 + 4x shurikens orbiting you

oh no this sounds like fun

[left glen]

Problem is, when shadows cast blade shield, the shuris orbit the shadow briefly then fly out when it despawns

[desert bridge]

oh do they? Lame

[left glen]

Yeah it kinda creates a 360 spread

I'm hoping bladestorm is similar tho. Each storm creating a shuri pack within the storm every second is going to wreck

[desert bridge]

Yeah, that might be super cool

[left glen]

Even if they do fly out of thr storm, a storm on top of a target will still nail it with every projectile

[desert bridge]

Especially if all the blade shield shurikens can hit the same target even if only one bladstorm can hit at once

[left glen]

Yup. I'm keeping all 3 storms

Purely as shuriken generations

[desert bridge]

yeah

[left glen]

Dancing blade is just there for the rhythm buff.

[desert bridge]

You could use Razorrain too, so you just throw all bladestorms at once

Seems like a fun build idea

[left glen]

That's the plan

Yeah, I'm a little worried about mana

But we burn that bridge when we come to it

[desert bridge]

Well

Too bad you can't get dancing strikes to 0 mana

[left glen]

It's the 12/second from bladestorm that's spooky

You can't 0 out the shuri proc cost

[desert bridge]

Yeah, if you could get dancing strike to 0, Sapping Strikes could keep your mana full

[left glen]

Yeah. It's gonna be at 6 tho lol

[desert bridge]

yeah

[left glen]

I'll figure...something

[desert bridge]

Might just have to invest in some mana regen. 12/s flat isn't really that bad.

OR go for Butcher's Crown and change mana/sec to on-hit

[left glen]

Yeah there's plenty of affix space for it. I'll just have to sac a prefix or two

[left glen]

Currently pushing for low life, so I don't want to gain life on hit

But i could drop that long term

[desert bridge]

ah, yeah that wouldn't work for Butcher

Plus, you can't use Doppelganger with butcher

[left glen]

Ahh yeah. No legends ring

I looked at a doppelganger version. Ultimately I decided that's an option, but not where I wanna go

I was working on a Kuzon/doppelganger double set with legends ring as well

That was interesting

[desert bridge]

I've got a plan for that with a Cinder Strike Ignite focused build that might be kinda fun

with lots of burning daggers flying out constantly

[left glen]

I haven't really dug into it, but I'm convinced there's a kuzons/dragonsong marksman build out there

Fire heartseaker is just too good at dagger creation

[desert bridge]

I think Cinder Strike might be underrated because of some of the other stuff it does

[left glen]

Or maybe not even dragonsong. Idk, I don't love the play pattern of that bow

[left glen]

2x kuzon sword looks promising for getting the bottom right and top right cinder strike nodes

It's just really hard to get crit. Might have to go ignite

[desert bridge]

Ignite was my plan because it scales the melee hits AND the burning dagger hits

I was just planning for 1x kuzon sword because of that, Firestarter's Torch is just too good to pass up for a burning build

Just a casual 42% more fire damage

[left glen]

Fair enough. I had limited my investigation to crit builds

[desert bridge]

I had considered crit, the new amulet makes getting some flat crit pretty easy

[left glen]

Sad you don't get anything from the Bladedanver weapon passive if you're on sceptre+sword

That node is so goddamm strong

[desert bridge]

Yeah, for sure

[left glen]

It alone pushes me off dancer and back to falconer for ice trapper 🙁

[desert bridge]

If you go for the Kuzon + Jormun weapons, you can get a good amount of flat crit from the Jormun sword, as well as crit multi for bleeds, which would be easy to get with a bit of bleed blade shield shuriken action.

Between flat crit there and flat crit from the new amulet, getting crit cap should be easy

[left glen]

Traitor tongue offhand

Duct tape for crit capping

[desert bridge]

Another option, yeah

+2 levels is never bad, too

[left glen]

Just slap it on everything lol

Traitor is basicly every throwing crit build I do

It's too good at what it does