🔪┃rogue

[flint turret]

Last time I got my first tongue on lvl 8 cof while spending all favor and ascendance runes on daggers kekw

[wide yacht]

jesus

[slow sierra]

I like CoF alot better

[flint turret]

Yeah I still favor cof more

[slow sierra]

if you do not play for a few days your gold devalues like crazy

[wide yacht]

legit when i played CoF, i never managed to get my build online, i gave up the season

[slow sierra]

and eventually everything becomes gold cap

[wide yacht]

didnt happen last season, there was no dupe this time around

[slow sierra]

It did

[wide yacht]

sadly low player activity made the market die fast, but it was perfect otherwise

[slow sierra]

Frozensentinel literally made a video about it where everything was gold cap

[wide yacht]

last season? you must be confusing it

it happened on the one before the last

[slow sierra]

I can link you the vid

it was last season

[wide yacht]

sure link it

[slow sierra]

Nvm it was 1.2 I could have sworn it was 1.3, guess I was wrong.

[abstract token]

What were the other classes and builds that were rank 1 and 2

[wide yacht]

i figured, because i played ever since release

there was a dupe virtually every season, that much is true

last season was the only exception

[rugged pollen]

gold dupe economy is NOT the same as normal economy

sadly we've only have that 1 out of what 4/5 season

[flint turret]

what do you guys think about using firestarter torch for fire cascade with reen and cap crit with doppel relic?

42% more fire damage

[earnest moth]

do you have a planner for the fire cascade build yet? or is that what you're cooking?

[flint turret]

nah not really, im set on bow rend so far, just thinking out loud because the possibilities are trully wast in 1.4

fire cascade is gonna be big for sure tho

[slow sierra]

I tried building bow rend but solving crit and mourning frost resist seemed like more trouble than it was worth.

[flint turret]

crit is easilly capped with doppel relic bruh

[slow sierra]

resists not so much

I hate gearing mourning frost btw

[flint turret]

can live without it

[slow sierra]

but I feel thats what you have to do on most bow builds

[flint turret]

with elemetal arrows ans alteratin with shurikens i think

[slow sierra]

it just feels like bows do not have enough flat damage

[flint turret]

something like this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJW4vR5a

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (23) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (75) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,028, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 180.61, Regen: 12.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 114 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 88% / 72% / 85% / 90%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,558
▸ Dodge Chance: 68% (3506)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (598)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 133%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 75%

Used skills:

Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Shurikens / Explosive Trap

[flint turret]

flat doesnt look that bad with every shot using elemental arrow

and having 100% light pen

and 33% more damage from manacost

might try to add coated blades but need to add additional mana sustain then i guess

[earnest moth]

whats the rotation loop for this?

[flint turret]

just shuri-rend

[earnest moth]

so rend is countin as a mellee?

[flint turret]

both

[earnest moth]

dang

[flint turret]

melee will attach a trap

while main damage comes from bow

[earnest moth]

how strong do we think the ward stacking build Dread spoke of in his vid will be?

[flint turret]

weaker than he expecting it to be

[slow sierra]

how are you critting I am seeing 28% crit

[flint turret]

tabi alternate shadow probably wont count as a real shadow

[flint turret]

relic

[slow sierra]

its only 130% increase

[flint turret]

and crit idols or relic corruption for crit per dex

relic is 9 flat crit

[slow sierra]

you are up to 50%

roughly

[flint turret]

there are plenty bow crit on idols and relic corruption, i just havent put everythung in there

also idol enchants

also flat crit nodes in rend in case of need and rogue passive and crit vuln

its not a problem

[slow sierra]

5 base 2 passive 9 relic 2 skill tree. So 18% which means you need to get more than 400% increase crit to cap

400%

and currently you have less than 200%

[flint turret]

yeah okay lets continue to discuss that a planner is not perfect because it doesnt have idols\corruptions set up while you can literally cap crit with a bow crit slam if you dont want to explore other ways

[slow sierra]

My point is you are not even there with a bow crit slam

and idols

with both of those you are like 70-80%

[void cosmos]

anyone know if the movement speed buff to dancing strikes from attack speed will apply to your actual movement speed while using the skill or is it purely for the skill and not counted as flat movement speed?

[flint turret]

at this point you are either trolling or dont know what you are talking about

[slow sierra]

with a T5 bow crit slam you would go to 23% and you would need closer to 300 with idols you are sitting around 275% increase crit you are still at 86%

[flint turret]

we can easily get 5+2+9+10+6 = 32% flat crit on top of having crit vulnerabiluty and you a worring about capping crit

we can cap it with literally just passives at this point

not even counting the blessing possibility

[slow sierra]

yeah but now crit multi is 340% ?

[flint turret]

so?

[slow sierra]

like I do not get it yeah you can solve crit but you have to give up so much.. you create other problems

[flint turret]

whats yourpoint

[flint turret]

thats how the game works

[slow sierra]

its not solved if you have to take away a bunch of other stats that you create other problems in other areas thats not a solve

[flint turret]

i still dont see your point in this discussion

can you easily cap crit - yes. does it cost you other affixes? of cource... you cant have all damage affixes slammed in one

[slow sierra]

My point is if you do not have crit your solution cannot be give up your main source of crit multi to gain crit because if you do not have crit multi why even bother trying to crit in the first place.

[flint turret]

thats the whole point of balancing out and swapping afixes around

[flint turret]

tehre are plenty of crit solutiopns all over the place

you just choose what you want to the extend that you want

you cant have crit chance and crit multi merged into a single slam so there is no point discussing it

[steady cypress]

Hi guy

How is explosive ballista falconer btw

Still good?

[flint turret]

you can go with sungularity and wing guards if crit mechanics are too hard to understand even

and the build will still work more or less the same

[zenith bridge]

I mean, maybe for 5min to realize AF self cast is absolutely terrible;)

[steady cypress]

Hi @uncut mantle do you consider making explosive ballista falconer version?

That version is good too

[rugged pollen]

my questions already answered, if you're curious you can scroll down a little bit from that mes

it should be pretty decent for uber

for mapping i'd imagine it is horrible

[lapis kite]

I am looking for a skill like heartseeker to play next thursday, is the skill still in a good spot or is there a skill with equal playstyle or such?

[wary cedar]

wdym by "like"?

like bow attack

or like only one spell to cast

like range attack

like what?

[lapis kite]

well one button build with movement and supportive stuff is nice, but I more meant like a build that has good screenclear/speed

[flint turret]

thats basically most of the builds

[wary cedar]

is a build that can't clear the map even a build? 🧐

[lapis kite]

I mean sure

but there is a difference between big screen clear/proj builds and a melee/minion build clear

[eager mason]

the bladestorm shuriken stuff should have good screen clear

[flint turret]

from the new ones recall umbrals, bladeshtorm shuri and multishot rend should fit all that

hs still works even tho no direct buffs

there are some ridiculos corruptions for it tho if you wanna gamba hard

[eager mason]

it run bladeshield right

[flint turret]

mine didnt

trav smoke

shadow consume on hs

can be decent with doppel even

[lapis kite]

hmm maybe ill play hs again then as I really liked it

[rocky nova]

HS has some really big corruption nodes to improve its boss DPS (chance to fire icicle on crit) to fix its single target dps lategame

and ofc has incredible clear

I really enjoyed HS but didnt like spending 10 mins on uberroth 😄

[flint turret]

icicle is not that interesting

[lapis kite]

i pushed it to 1k + corruption last playthrough, but could never beat the uber boss

[flint turret]

shuriken however....

[lapis kite]

what about shuriken?

[flint turret]

this is the biggest thing there is

its a build defining affix thats for some reason in a corruption pool

and i got a confirmation it will use the shuri skill tree

[rugged pollen]

i thought EHG has been over with on crit stuff

after all their nerfs/destruction of it over seasons

but now they came up with this

[crimson latch]

sorry im a rogue lover hahaha

[flint turret]

this is basically unobtainable tho

we have no set bow to corrupt

[crimson latch]

giga gamba

[flint turret]

41 corruption affix pool

[crimson latch]

that sound like we have to farm

[rugged pollen]

if there are corrupted items with worse odd than that exist in poe

there will be in LE

[flint turret]

i think we have like 25% ot add an affix from corruption? the others being no changes, item brick, alterating value ranges?

[rugged pollen]

base altering too

you count that already?

[flint turret]

okay so 1\5

[rugged pollen]

also remove affixes

[flint turret]

dam

1\6?

[rugged pollen]

idk if it's own thing or grouped up with other outcomes

[flint turret]

okay lets say 1\5 with 1\41 to get it with random t1-7

rough

[potent rune]

The answer probably not worse corruption i think so far

Big rng gamba

Idk why it had to have tiers of affixes

[flint turret]

i will do it only i finish set items corruptions

its much easier with like 1\14 pool

and multiple good outcomes

[rugged pollen]

what bow does HS build use?

[potent rune]

Like if I have to get lucky 1 in 75 chances on a chest I better get t7 affix instead of t1

[rugged pollen]

i assume there arent many choices right?

[flint turret]

mostly row

but i will be starting rend multishot so ill be slamming drelcors

if i manage to slam shuri on it ill swap to hs

and go full throw shenannigans with 3\3 burning daggers and throw affixes on gear and lirakas

[rugged pollen]

1LP row with t3+ shuriken should be very obtainable

[lapis kite]

Do you have a build guide for this?

[rugged pollen]

you dont need more than 1Lp right?

since the corrupted mod gives flat crit

[flint turret]

yeah

[rugged pollen]

yeah i think you're overestimate it abit ragu

[lapis kite]

If so could you please send it to me🙏

[flint turret]

the issue is that you wouldnt want to have both of flat crits on row kekw

[rugged pollen]

i dont think that's unobtainable

far from even

[flint turret]

well you also need to slam quiver

[rugged pollen]

do we know the wwight for each corrupted affixes?

[flint turret]

with the same shuri

[rugged pollen]

or they're same

*weight

[flint turret]

different

[rugged pollen]

that can quickly change the math

oh lol

welp

[flint turret]

tunklabs had it but it doesnt load for me now

its 50% 100% and 200%

dunno what that means tho

[flint turret]

something like this so far https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKgDMOv0

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (66) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,819, Regen: 35.36/s
▸ Mana: 153.52, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 101 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 50 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 62% / 71% / 87% / 71% / 102% / 107%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,067
▸ Dodge Chance: 59% (2529)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,053)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Multishot / Heartseeker

[flint turret]

im not doing guides, but rather planners

dread had a guide for multishot rend on y\t tho

before shuri slam its dark quiver or decoy probably

shuri might be even better on multishot rend so im aiming to test both it and hs

17 arrows per multishot might be more than the amount of recurves we can get, all depends on rend shadows aiming

[flint turret]

for me it borderline is, becaseu its 200 corruptions on average for bow and quiver separatly, and we dont really have a way to farm corruption runes en masse

prophesies dont help, 150% more boss drop from cof doesnt apply either

[earnest moth]

you can buy and sell them with MG though right?

[rugged pollen]

oh you're right about corruption rune

[flint turret]

you ccant trade crafting materials

[rugged pollen]

i have thought about that

that's the bottleneck

[earnest moth]

the corrupted stat itself

[flint turret]

but you can trade corrupted items?

[rugged pollen]

*havent

[earnest moth]

90% sure it said you can trade the corrupted item though

as long as it's not bricked

[rugged pollen]

you can

[flint turret]

so we have a clear mg advantage over cof

[rugged pollen]

problem is if someone's using rune on their items

high chance that they'll keep for themself

[flint turret]

not really, bow or example has tons of great ones

and not everyone would want shuri

[earnest moth]

seems like big money tbh corrupting items with MG

sell and buy the ones you need etc

where with COF it's just bricked and go next

and i hate playing as MG - sitting in the market trying to snipe items is boring and if there's another dupe icba

if you could access CoF and MG on your mono platform that would 1000x better

[flint turret]

maybe we are missing something but cof for corrupted items seems worse by far currently

except maybe set corruptions

[earnest moth]

yeah, MG is a clear winner here for the new corrupted afixes

[wary cedar]

ain't no way
CoF and me are like 🤝

[flint turret]

we might have not a full picture yet

[earnest moth]

it'll come down to what build you wanna play and how build defining the corrupted afixes are for it

[flint turret]

maybe cof boss drops will at least affect the amount of glass or something

[rocky nova]

Would we realistically be bottlenecked by corruption runes? i'd think the biggest constraint is getting enough items to gamba

[flint turret]

Depends on in item and the affix in question ofc

For red rings I don't think you would run out of runes, but most of other items are common and easy to get, unless you are doing 2-3 lp corruptions only

I mean as cof I can get a hundred of a set piece pretty easy, but there is no way I can keep up with runes

Since I don't even need neither lp or a slam on a set item it's bottlenecked purely by the runes amount

1lp items are not that far of

Even tho set items have a pool of only 15 corruptions it's still a lot considering the chances to get an extra affix in the first place

And there are also idol corruptions, idol layouts corruptions

Realistically we will need thousands of runes

With no real way to get them in big amounts

It's literally more needed than vaal orb on Poe but with a drop rate of a divine almost

[wary cedar]

how exaclty does corrupting on uniques work? especially with the ones with lp?

[flint turret]

Only devs know the exact mechanics and outcomes so far, I haven't seen it anywhere

Tunklabs will have it at some point I guess

[pearl forge]

wait where can we see the corruption mods

[wary cedar]

database

[pearl forge]

in last epoctools?

[wary cedar]

y

[pearl forge]

i have been too busy in wow and uma/poe but i think i may be able to play on thursday night and the weekend

to update the guides

[flint turret]

huge buffs to LM

[finite arch]

you playing your build from the start?

[sage canyon]

oooh where?

the flow tech or smth else too

i was actually looking into it and not sure about crit version, bbc and shadow daggers seems pretty strong

[flint turret]

Flow+damage effextivness from 100 to 150, doppel, umbrals shadows

Ds can be too if dual fulgrites

[sage canyon]

ye so youll have to go raw dmg not sd to abuse base DE

[flint turret]

Raw damage already was better for, well, damage

Sd is mostly mobility/clear

[sage canyon]

im not sure how sd improve clear 🤔

[flint turret]

I'm not planning to go lm so far, it was just the response to @pearl forge who played a lot

[flint turret]

Cascades from lm have big aoe and 100 % sd application because they are not affected by shadow sd application reduction

[sage canyon]

hmm but cant you make those cascades just do big dmg 🤔

bbc isnt a bad weapon at all

[flint turret]

Not now already I guess

Snapshotting gone

[sage canyon]

F

hmm ill think about clear options then

maybe rend kek

might be smth

and also more shadows for lm

and was the dmg difference big between crit/sd or around the same

[flint turret]

I see lm now with either umbrals spamming for flow and shadows and sapping strikes with coated blades or dual fulgrites with ds

Without coated obviously

[flint turret]

Single target diff was big

Not in favor of sd

Now it will be even bigger, much bigger. At least 2.5 times bigger

[sage canyon]

ok that sounds promising will go back to cooking

ty

[sage canyon]

the cooldown seems autrocious with dual

[flint turret]

Ailment lm might be even stronger than hit tbh

Because flow and pulse should stack

[sage canyon]

pulse?

[flint turret]

Next one to flow for more dot

[sage canyon]

ahh

[flint turret]

It's either 200% or double the double

[sage canyon]

5 skill combo tho

MONKA

need to do shift stacking bs probably with ds

[flint turret]

Or umbrals yeah

[sage canyon]

or bladestorms lol

no nvm not combo

[wary cedar]

i just want to be a cool ninja 😔 ✌️

[flint turret]

What's stopping ya

You even have tabi ninja boots now

[wary cedar]

the date lol

[flint turret]

well, at leaste we have time to plan something

[wary cedar]

i already finished my planning

everything else will be figured out on the way

only thing i have left to do until S4 is play Pokopia

[pearl forge]

damn i need to see the new data after work

[analog estuary]

how is exploding blade storms looking? it's got%1000 percent damage effectiveness if I'm reading it right? so probably atleast decent

[river lily]

bladestorm probably will be very good. new stuff is always pretty overtuned

[pearl forge]

yo this new points are lit

also got all res node and phys res

sad they killed shattered chains but i guess i will use queens anyway

the new ring seems interesting

can you corrupt legendary items?

[flint turret]

everything even needles

[pearl forge]

interesting

so now i need to hit the 2lp then krangle it up further

[snow ember]

I predict that you can faceroll your keyboard with a hotdog sausage using bladestorm and clear out the endgame

New stuff is always too strong

[pearl forge]

i expect lots of people to try shadow rend too

seems cool

[flint turret]

oh yeah im going all in on rend starting from lvl 3

what can possibly go wrong with 20 manacost skill on lvl 3

[eager mason]

holy

monka

I need the update

[flint turret]

omg

[pearl forge]

but yea rend also has a way to consume all shadows

and also convert to lightning

will be very good to clear with it and set

just shift rend and huge aoe

[flint turret]

yeah ive made rough planers for almost everything already but ill mostly go for MM and multishot rend as a fisrt option or shuriken rend as a second

[floral cypress]

is falconer bad now with the 25 less damage?

[flint turret]

birds not real might not get fixed so falconer currently is a question mark

bd with rend traversal and doppel set triggering cascades look great tho

[flint turret]

25 less damage from what?

marks?

[floral cypress]

patch notes

[flint turret]

i dont think patchotes do damage

unless...

[floral cypress]

2 ignored msg feelsgood

[cobalt mantle]

idk, I think it dealt emotional damage

[flint turret]

to trap flask enjoyers for sure

[kind adder]

Did you do one for DS?

[flint turret]

i did but im still torm between big rend hit or triggering cascade. this planner more or less can use both but its basically a draft for either or

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL09ERyx

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (78) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,056, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 225.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 83 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 88% / 72% / 77% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,577
▸ Dodge Chance: 71% (4038)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (836)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 133%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Synchronized Strike / Dancing Strikes

[flint turret]

both casting rend with 7 shadows+flow and using it for cascades sounds decent

even tho flow might now work on rend

[wary cedar]

is there a build that focuses on max movespeed with Vaion's Chariot?

[kind adder]

What's the combo here? I'm missing something

[wary cedar]

spam rend and sync strike

both trigger shadows with cascade

[kind adder]

What's DS in there for then?

[wary cedar]

🤨

oh dancing strikes

man

i hate y all only typing two letters for the skills 😭

[kind adder]

Lmaooo my b

SR, SS, SC, DS

too many S's

[wary cedar]

idk, i will try the same build but with net instead of ds

[flint turret]

dancing should be a good overall buffing tool

[wary cedar]

but why do you have army of skins in there? xd

[flint turret]

becasse that like the best melee boots?

[wary cedar]

man you know

i dont like reading

xd

but i saw now

but dont you miss one shadow from the other boots to consitently get 4 then?

[flint turret]

combo here is to gulp potions and spam rend, once you run out of potions you alternate sync-rend i guess. DS is probably only for bosses

but if rend works with flow, and we spec rend into shadow consume for more damage, ds becomes a combo setup for flow

[kind adder]

Ahhh I see

DS>DS>DS>Rend

How low do you get the CD for rend? Will 1 potion do it?

[wary cedar]

it's 3sec with 2 charges

[flint turret]

and 40% cdr on boots-belt

should be fine

[wary cedar]

i just hope the build works without DS

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[flint turret]

its not really a hope question, its a fact it will. worst case scenario its the same as an old sync spam but wil sync-rend alternating which has lower mana sustain requirment

[wary cedar]

and with rend as traversal it should fit my ninja fantasy better x)

[flint turret]

it doesnt have to be traversal

smoke can as well

[wary cedar]

ya no

i like the idea of having two charges

[flint turret]

but yeah i like the appeal of fast-rending throu echo chains

[wary cedar]

that's the point

[flint turret]

but like i said if we make it noin traversal we open up big shadow gen and damage buff from smoke, or umbral-recall from shift whicch also gives mana and creates shadows

tehre are plenty of options how to build rend, it looks like the most versatile rogue skill there is

[wary cedar]

ya maybe if traversal rend feels bad i ll do other stuff

[flint turret]

we can even use traversal AA with shadows on AA kill and then rend

[sage canyon]

rend lm looks pretty solid but cant test mana sustain untill patch drops so might fail

[flint turret]

whats the appeal of rend lm?

[sage canyon]

clear skill, more shadows for mirages

[crimson latch]

what is LM

[slow sierra]

Leathal Mirage

[wary cedar]

stands for ligma

[dusty coral]

Hello, what do you guys think about 2handed bladestorm ? I've looked here a bit but didn't see any1 talking about it

[slow sierra]

I have not looked at all the options but I think right now it is hard to beat the 20% more for Jormun's set bonus

[dusty coral]

I was wondering if you could get to some dumb increased area with Sierpin Fractal Tree

[wary cedar]

what's stopping you?

[slow sierra]

I do not think bladestorm itself will do very good damage there just are not very many "more" modifiers on the tree outside of the Umbral Blades mod which I think will be too clunky

[dusty coral]

Nothing that's what I'm going to play this season to test, hard to know rn but maybe you guys knew some calculation I don't know about

[flint turret]

Bo with bladestorm shurikens can be fun

[slow sierra]

Yeah shurikens will for sure do damage

[dusty coral]

what is Bo ?

[flint turret]

Shurikens staff

[dusty coral]

Ooh didn't know about that one, thank you

[flint turret]

Also has nice manacost reduction

For shurikens ricochets

[dusty coral]

this could be fun, I will add it to my maybe list but I'm really curious to how big I can have my bladestorms

[flint turret]

Ah nwm it's mana consumed for shurikens on bladestorm, manacost reduction won't help

Oh wait it will

Whatever is higher

[dusty coral]

rollercoaster of emotions

[slow sierra]

mana cost on surikens will be 0 from talents or even 1 roll on a ring

so it defaults to 4

[flint turret]

ricochet node adds quite a bit

[slow sierra]

I was wondering if you took the staff could they ricochet without the node being taken

just like 40-50% of them ricochet

and the rest pierce

[flint turret]

i dont really see a reason toi make them bigger since it doesnt look they will do an actual damage without detonation

maybe self-cast detonation spam, dunno how reasonable that is

[slow sierra]

It is a 1500% base on cast skill

[flint turret]

but there are like only 2 of more modifiers to add

and even shadows dont copy it

[slow sierra]

just only 1 32% more multi and a 12% more multi

yeah multi are low

[flint turret]

dunno ,aybe if you cast a single bladestorm then feed it with spamming umbrals then cast anothe one to detonate

sounds bothersome

i dont really see a bladestorm plays wothout shurikens now tbh

unless memes

[topaz robin]

memes you say

[stable quiver]

Anyone cook anything interesting with Shadow Rend + Dive Bomb?

[wary cedar]

is it not dead cause bug?

[river lily]

Bladestorm shadow daggers probably really good for leveling

[stable quiver]

Oh, is Dive Bomb bugged? That's tragic.

[wary cedar]

no but the shadow dive bomb or what it's called

[flint turret]

birds not real are bugged, they might fix or might not fix it

[stable quiver]

Ah well RIP. I was hoping there'd be something interesting to build there

[flint turret]

also we dont really know for shadow crit on relic will interact with cap critiing shadow falcons

but yeah if they dont fix birds not real its dead anyway

the best you can do is to use falconry for mana gain and AA traversal with doppel set, shadow creation on AA kill and then rend after aa

or some bow plays maybe

or both

[river lily]

Also umbral blade cast after aa for blade storms

[stable quiver]

How's the Doppelganger set looking?

[desert bridge]

It looks great, definitely worth using.

The helm specifically is super strong.

[flint turret]

maybe not necesserily the set itself but helm and relic are awesome and have awesome shards

im even considering making it promordial

45% is basically 45% more damage

on top of giga easy crit cap

[solar merlin]

Hey, pillager's gold "(35% to 50%) chance to throw a Burning Dagger on hit (up to 2 times per second)" does trigger on throw aswell?

[flint turret]

and tons of ward with the ward on shadow creation affix

[pulsar solar]

Bleed cinder strike? Is there an item to convert the damage??

Saw that on LE tools

I mean physically

[cobalt mantle]

Nah, it used to be half phys half fire, might just have not removed the phys symbol

[desert bridge]

You can use the primordial gloves to convert ignite to bleed

[crimson latch]

3 days

[flint turret]

Can't wait to farm 1k corrupting runes kekw

Hope it's not bad as it seems currently

[daring dragon]

any kinda tanky rogue builds pop up with the patch that are only 1-3 buttons?

[desert bridge]

The build I'm planning to play is very button light, basically shift creates 3 shadows and then does shadow cascade at the end, so all 3 shadows do shadow cascades. Then you get that on the shortest cooldown possible, and if you ever need to attack other times, you have Sync Strike that also creates shadows that use cascade.

So you pretty much Shift -> Sync -> Shift -> Sync

[daring dragon]

planner? kinda hoping to not have to worry about randomly popping at c500 give or take

[kind adder]

You don't really have to worry about that too much as long as your crit mitigation is capped and resistances are capped. 500c won't be challenging to a build with decent damage that has those defenses

[desert bridge]

Ehh, my planner might not be the best for that, it's pretty bare bones, but: ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6P4yGwl

I usually lazy plan my planners to get a general idea

[daring dragon]

its been 84 years since i played a rogue past level 60 so i need a stepping stone lol

[desert bridge]

Obviously things like reforged set items are going to be better, and you'll have idols and blessings 😝

[kind adder]

Lmfaoo fair. I find the leveling builds on Maxroll are generally great starters that can get you to empowered monos, and then you can really specialize into whatever interests you.

[daring dragon]

apparently i do have a legacy 82 blade dancer flask traps

[daring dragon]

what is falcon fists doing for you other than attack speed?

[desert bridge]

Being low LP, so easy double slams. It's definitely an upgrade target, but is usually my go-to

Especially for Cascade since it's converting attack speed to More damage, and we're indirectly casting it

[daring dragon]

well, i was gonna test something but i cant use my own gear because my faction ranks in legacy arent high enough

[desert bridge]

RIP

Guess time to try on Thursday

[daring dragon]

gonna bust out the pre MG/CoF void knight and see if it even still fuctions lol

nope

[wraith nacelle]

transfer your stash and it will transfer all you ranks as well its a bit weird but there should be a button in your stash to transfer your mats and ranks

[daring dragon]

bless you

[daring dragon]

since you take Crushing Darkness, you turn off Shadow Cascades attack speed scaling, is there a way around this im not seeing?

[north tree]

I wish we had better defensive options got all this damage but no way to not get one shot

[desert bridge]

Theres another node that give .6% more damage per 1% attack speed

[daring dragon]

would that... also get turned off?

[desert bridge]

Nope

Its just if you manually use cascade it is WAY slower

But since we dont do that... nbd

[daring dragon]

ah wording woes

well, through some stuff together to try and get a vibe of the play style, probably not for me

[sturdy glacier]

chat is dancing strike finally a real skill or is it still just a buffing thing for other skills

[fading burrow]

thats explosive ballista right there but slightly weaker due to Shuriken nerf

[daring dragon]

Ill take a look tomorrow. Sounds like totems which is 80% of what i play

[fading burrow]

this build only use shift and it summon ballista, so basically 1 button

you dont need to press 4-6 times to summon 4-6 ballista

[polar saffron]

i have seen the light, im going crit bladestorm/shuriken instead of bleed

[south mortar]

Is bladestorm/shuriken Blade Shield? Like the shurikens orbit the BS casting it?

[wise echo]

Think no.

But can only see after the update

[desert bridge]

It'll probably still summon them around you, since I don't think bladestorms are minions

[silk coral]

anyone have a build for shadowrend's ghost blades

[flint turret]

So far it doesn't look like it's worth building around. At best thats like 5sd stack per rend cast which is somewhat decent but not super high. We could get 6 per cast with triple puncture on big targets and it wasn't worth using really

[brittle blaze]

Haha what does this mean by fighting arena?

[flint turret]

Basically the same as the node in dancing strikes. It's the area created around you approximately big as a smoke bomb without aoe nodes

[brittle blaze]

so are you basically perma sustaining it or it has a cooldown? It procs off third dancing strike right? We should be able to pop them out pretty quickly, so would you just always have it up?

[flint turret]

I think it's 4s duration

And yeah you can sustain them

[brittle blaze]

hmmm interesting, so much I want to test out but better off just waiting for league launch

Think rogue will get some new skill mtx also this Thurs?

[silk coral]

what about taking shadow massacre for shadow cascade proc and getting the shadow cascade needles shadow dagger from shadows, not worth?

[flint turret]

Sd from cascades suffer 80% penalty to sd chance application if done by a shadow

Maybe if you combine rend with bladestorm on traversal and also get sd nodes in bladestorm it will start dealing some damage, but that's not really due to rend at this point

[silk coral]

why 5 sd stack per rend, not 11? 200%chance + 9 ghostblades

[flint turret]

It's max 3 per use

Ghost blades

[silk coral]

ohh but with traversal node it can consume all?

[flint turret]

You can but you need 3 attacks to get 9

Sd rend can somewhat work with tabi I guess

You will have 2 shadow strikes both with 200% to trigger sd instantly

[silk coral]

spam low mana cost

smokebomb traversal

[flint turret]

Yeah okay but how is it better than triple puncture

Which no one uses

It's potentially 6 sd stacks per use without any delay of ghost blades

[silk coral]

thats where sd from shadow cascade needles come to play with shadows from rend and smokebomb

[flint turret]

1 shadow cascade applies 0.2 sd on average

It's literally a non factor

and smoke you will have anyway on any sd setup

I'm not saying it can't work, there is just no reason to unless aesthetics reasons or whatever. Which I can understand since I'm planning to level with rend since lvl 3 and I might use those too

Too bad tabi is such a high lvl boots, could have been a decent leveling item with rend

[pulsar solar]

It would be SOOO cool if we get shadow cascade lightning

[silk coral]

https://tenor.com/view/zed-gaming-lol-power-gif-17021435

[flint turret]

you mean visuals? because i think fire is stronger than lightning, but cold is stronger than fire

now that i thought about it, this axe looks pretty decent for fire cascade

[stable quiver]

Is there anything to the idea of using Shadow Rend to trigger Shadow Cascade with the Dagger Dance nodes?

[full burrow]

leveling

[round topaz]

double Kuzon's Fury would be better i think

[flint turret]

i dont even know why would i want to use one

[round topaz]

depends on if you use DS or not

[flint turret]

unless is something like ignite ds cascade

[round topaz]

Exactly

[flint turret]

hor hit cascae i dont reall yse a reason to, and for ignite there are much better options too

1 for ignte i guess is decent tho

but 2?

[silk coral]

max atk speed rend 0 mana

[flint turret]

well i guess 2 can also work because thre is a pool of only 7 corruptions on it

[crimson latch]

so we can make a melting multshiot or any skill that reply spam machine?

[flint turret]

and this seems nice

[silk coral]

yes! but only the first shadow consumed restores mana in hidden strength node

wait, if you mean to use shadow massacre, its useless with this node

[white loom]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/pl/A6P47DZa heh dont no is a good ide 😂 but looks good

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (78) / Marksman (5) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,059, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 180.74, Regen: 11.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 132 Dex / 12 Int / 12 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 86% / 86% / 80% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 1,421
▸ Dodge Chance: 54% (2164)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,019)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 97%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Shift / Dancing Strikes

[wary cedar]

bro what is all this?

[flint turret]

Looks like polish

[wary cedar]

why is he making me look at this? 😢

[flint turret]

I guess you can replace the /pl in the link to /en but yeah posting a non English planner in the first place is meh

Oh actually if you click the link in the bot message it's gonna be in English naturally

[slow sierra]

Anyone know if there are any other items that provide %chance to create a shadow upon consuming a shadow other than Doppelganger relic/relic affix?

[white loom]

Sorry for PL heh you can change language easy 😊

[dusty coral]

I have a question about this, why use the primordial ring if you already use the 3piece for the shadow set ? Is it valuable to use it only for your Jormun set ? @white loom

[white loom]

Is EN now https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6P47DZa

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (78) / Marksman (5) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,059, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 180.74, Regen: 11.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 132 Dex / 12 Int / 12 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 86% / 86% / 80% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 1,421
▸ Dodge Chance: 54% (2164)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,019)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 97%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Shift / Dancing Strikes

[flint turret]

i think tabi are gonna be pretty bad after they somewhat clarified its mechanics

[wary cedar]

elaborate

[dusty coral]

elaborate please*

[flint turret]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

basically its a different indirect skill that you cant interact with in any way

[dusty coral]

ooh because you did not "directly cast it" correct ?

[flint turret]

yes

and it also doesnt leave a shadow

so no bonuses from shadow creation or consume either

[dusty coral]

they are completely different entities in a way, dunno if my english is understable

so they gain nothing and contribute to nothing, yh seems not that great now

[flint turret]

not entirely different, they should apply nodes from its tree that doesnt require a direct cast like shred or shadow daggers

[dusty coral]

aahh, got it thanks

[flint turret]

increase aoe will work too proobably, at least the generic one. the one that on shadow consume - wont

needs testing ofc, but it being indirect cast lowers their potential value quite a lot already

[slow sierra]

I think this a decently optimized Shadow Rend MS. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL09Lx4E

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (61) / Marksman (27) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,728, Regen: 59.84/s
▸ Mana: 289.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 74%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 34 Str / 137 Dex / 34 Int / 34 Att / 66 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 87% / 82% / 73% / 74% / 120% / 125%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 24%, Threshold: 346
▸ Dodge Chance: 68% (3458)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (467)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 66%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 70%

Used skills:

Multishot / Shadow Rend / Smoke Bomb

[white loom]

I Hope rend will be a base atack all created shadows use cascade , shift for a BUFF dodge , dps and mana . Smouke bomb shadow and BUFF . But its only my imagination

[slow sierra]

Over 400 Flat lots of increased if you can shotgun with shadows should be good ST need to do dmg calcs for this

[flint turret]

decently optimized @ 1700 hp @ almost no ward creation

[dusty coral]

Could you answer my question above @white loom please ?

[slow sierra]

Stable ward with chest is 4.5k

[white loom]

Sek

[flint turret]

u sure?

[slow sierra]

Yeah its 1882 in max

[dusty coral]

Hello, why do you use this kind of gloves, wouldn't Eternal gauntlets base be better ? or do you really need a lot of CDR ?

[rugged pollen]

there is an affix called

[slow sierra]

42% is 790 ward per sec

[rugged pollen]

"inc dam with multishot per arrow"

[flint turret]

what am i missing?

[rugged pollen]

you might want to take a look at that

[dusty coral]

Can we get a link for this please ?

[flint turret]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ward

[slow sierra]

I was ware but with only 9 arrows it was close to the other increases and the generic increase increase shadow rend aswell

[flint turret]

i think it needs ward on shadow creation on body

then its gonna be more or less fine

[flint turret]

why 9? it should be 17

[slow sierra]

I am not going MM

[flint turret]

okay, then 17-4

[slow sierra]

Base 5 talent is +4 wheres the other 3

[rugged pollen]

bow

[slow sierra]

ohh bow

forgot

yeah I could to the calcs on dmg per arrow vs bow dmg

[flint turret]

also why bd if you are not using tabi for perfection and melee leech

[slow sierra]

crit dmg and dmg red from low life node

and 2 extra shadows

main reason to go BD

[flint turret]

cri damage is the same in mm tree

[slow sierra]

You cant go LL with it since it gains life

[flint turret]

and how you gonna have maxed shadows all the time

since every rend cast consumes them

[slow sierra]

high CDR smoke bomb 90% recurring shadows

30% from relic 60% from tree

[dusty coral]

ooh so that's why you use that base of gloves

[slow sierra]

and guile to make smokebomb low cdr

all the dex is going to cdr guile too

[rugged pollen]

that sounds like

a lot of hoops to jump through my dude

😅

[flint turret]

that sounds like -100 mana per second

[slow sierra]

I know

thats why you are going to have to weave in punctures'

8 mana back with sapping + puncture talent

[rugged pollen]

are you sure you you wouldn't do the same by just manual multishot

🤔

[flint turret]

then why do you need so many shadows in the forst place if you cant sustan it without stopping to cast rend

whats the point

[slow sierra]

cost more to manual MS than to proc with shadow rend

ehh i guess not

[rugged pollen]

huh

the last time i played <S

MS

it was basically free

what changed?

[slow sierra]

but you get shadow recursion using rend

[zenith bridge]

MS has absolutely no mana costs once you invest into it

[dusty coral]

the world changed flick

[flint turret]

yes but i mean if you have 2 options:
-spam rend
-cast rend 50% of the time with double damage and 50% of the time spam puncture with no damage

[slow sierra]

if you direct MS you lose shadows

[flint turret]

id pick 1 always

[slow sierra]

Whole point is you can spam rend for a burst in smoke bomb

and you have recurring shadows

[zenith bridge]

This is what i think since day 1. Im happy to be proven wrong, but i think manually casting MS while always hitting 17 arrows is higher dps than all different setups with Shadow Rend.

[slow sierra]

5 of them all casting MS

[flint turret]

thats -25 mana per cast with 3 attacks per second

just from multishot

and +rend itself on top

[slow sierra]

Its not 3 attacks per second I do not have that much attack speed

I mean MS with shadow rend is going to be 1 shadow rend hit 13 arrows x5

[flint turret]

im starting rend multishot as well so ill try

[zenith bridge]

Who says all 5 shadows hit 13 arrows?

They spamn in a position you cant control

• shadows cant impact the size of cone

[flint turret]

thats not correct actualy

[zenith bridge]

We can...by hovering the mouse to the edge of the screen

[slow sierra]

I am not but when you are shooting 65 arrows like 40 of them got to hit

[flint turret]

they will dash to the enemy and shotgun it

at least i hope so

[zenith bridge]

The question is, are they next to an enemy or literally inside an enemy? Even by self casting MS on a dummy while standing close to it, sometimes not all projectiles hit

[flint turret]

i have no idea tbh but it should be okay for bosses

[white loom]

sorry man, I'm very busy at work at the moment ... 😔

[flint turret]

and clear should be okay as well since you dont need to move the shadows will dash instead

[slow sierra]

I think the idea for bosses is to stack on them cast smoke bomb so all the shadows are spawned on its butt and slam it

[dusty coral]

no worries, tag me when you can or DM me no problem man

[zenith bridge]

Clear will be fine for sure. But also clear was never an issue on self cast MS

[flint turret]

im a bit worried about rend mana sustain too tho

but im planning to have hs with charges

0 manacost on mm

[slow sierra]

btw stable ward is below it is close to 4k.

[flint turret]

well so far from the description it looks much better for bossing compared to regular multishot because you wont haveto hug it, the shadows will dash themselves, so... unless its stupidly coded or bugged, i see it as a wastly superior version

[slow sierra]

I think the shadow dash node only applies to the shadows from shadow rend

not the additional shadow casts but I might be wrong

[flint turret]

oh yeah that might be the case

then it might be not that good

it says "shaowS" tho

[eager mason]

there is this

[slow sierra]

I think it is test and find out

[eager mason]

you dont need to calculate by hand

[slow sierra]

thats what I did

you have to put in threshhold though for chest affix

[wary cedar]

i did the reading but i have 0/10 understanding, can you explain it to me like i am 5? xd

[flint turret]

what does chest have to do with ward decay thresh

ah the max health one

[slow sierra]

you gain 42% of max life as ward decay thresh

[zenith bridge]

I really hope so. That would make MS a really good build.

[flint turret]

ot doesnt show in letools for some reason

[slow sierra]

If we want more I think we can also take a T5 experiemental missing life to ward affix on gloves

but I think cap is 4500 ward from chest with current hp

[dusty coral]

why not use the unique boots in that case ?

[flint turret]

it just needs ward on shadow creation and thats it

[slow sierra]

and for crit we are crit capped with MS but sitting at like 80% with shadow rend but we have crit vuln to make it to 100 on bossing

[eager mason]

sad that we dont have other affixes for the new skills

hopefully they add later

[slow sierra]

Hopefully they add some more multipliers on the BS tree

[crimson latch]

Explain it to me as if I were an 8-year-old child

[slow sierra]

the ward?

[flint turret]

yeah im a bit disaapointed not a single non+lvl affix for rend or bladestorm neither on gear nor for idols

[wary cedar]

can chatgpt cook um LE Builds?

i wonder

[dusty coral]

you will probably get an older build from previous seasons

[wary cedar]

not if i tell them Season 4

[slow sierra]

probably tells you to go trap Detonating lightning Arrow

[dusty coral]

or a PoE build thinking it's LE

[wary cedar]

ChatGPT my homie tells me Shadow Cascade build

S TIER !!!!

[slow sierra]

I think I am still starting BS/Surikens but this MS build intrigues me. I always like bows but hard to build around.

In smoke bomb with 5 shadows it is 27 mana per cast of Rend

[flint turret]

rend ms is depends entirely on how they coded those 2 nodes

it has potential to be super good or completly underwhelming

i guess ill try it on legacy rogue before trying to lvl and build into it

[slow sierra]

I think even if that node sucks you can still just drop smoke bomb on boss and shotgun quite reliably

[wary cedar]

i always do that to my girlfriend

[flint turret]

if its a female harbinger gl with that

or an orobyss

you will miss like 80% shots entirely

[slow sierra]

probably true

[flint turret]

ill go with shadow consume bow rend in that case, with hydra repeats and tabi

whatever

road to a bow\quiver shuriken slams is long anyway

[slow sierra]

I will probably have the whole BS/suriken build with 1 lp slams at the end of day 1 or 2

getting jormun's might take a bit

Playing cof

[uncut pebble]

Anyone know if https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCsGYHZyA - Ravager's Dart still requires a bow?

[desert bridge]

No, it makes it a throwing skill

No weapon requirements

[wary cedar]

btw what about Heartseeker with the corrupted shuriken affix?

[slow sierra]

From a glance I do no think there is enough % proc chance to make it worth while

19% chance just does not seem high enough

[wary cedar]

i mean the question here is does the 19% apply again on recurve?

[desert bridge]

What is the shuriken affix?

[wary cedar]

i think no?

[slow sierra]

I mean i think it does but that means that a 5 recurve arrow casts 1 shuriken.

[dusty coral]

or 5 if you believe enough

[wary cedar]

i never played shurikens

but can't you make it that one shuriken = many shurikens? xd

[desert bridge]

Could turn it into a chakram

[wary cedar]

but what about the nodes that add additional shurikens?

do they only work on direct cast, it's not stated there

[flint turret]

thats potentially my favorite mm build right there but its borderline unobtainable for me

[flint turret]

whole tree works i got dev confirmation

[wary cedar]

because of obtaining the corrupted affaix? xd

[desert bridge]

In general, if something says it fires "X" shurikens, it fires that many regardless of the tree. If something says it "casts shurikens" then it'll do as many as the tree does.

[flint turret]

outside of stuff that explicitly says direct

[desert bridge]

Like, the Shift node will do 1 shuriken with 1 point, and 5 with 5 points, no matter how many the shuriken tree would normally fire.

[flint turret]

yeah, chances are grim, because we dont have a set bow or wuiver

[wary cedar]

gotcha, the affaix cast the shurikens, so it 's like i cast it myself

[slow sierra]

I feel like since the % is so low that 19% chance just means each HS gives 2 casts of shurikens on average, which just seems lackluster

[desert bridge]

yeah

[wary cedar]

but you re telling me there is a chance? 🤨

[flint turret]

ofc there is, like 1\200

[wary cedar]

aight

sign me up

heartseeker it is

[wary cedar]

you can get it on the quiver as well, so it's 38% no?

[flint turret]

i think it can be super fun, id use lirakas and full shuriken and throw damage affixes on gear with it

[slow sierra]

12% on bow 7 % on quiver

[wary cedar]

ah gotcha

[slow sierra]

those are both T7 rolls

[wary cedar]

do you have a planner for that?

[slow sierra]

no clue how rare that is

[desert bridge]

oof

[flint turret]

not yet

if someone actually lands it id be glad to plan it to see how it goes

[wary cedar]

what's lirakas?
(i hope it's not "my balls")

[flint turret]

shuri gloves

[wary cedar]

oh it 's with a '

thats why i didnt found it with searching

[flint turret]

multishot can also be super fun with it

[wary cedar]

you guys mentioned a 1/200 chance

to get the affix

i dont see how that is

[desert bridge]

It's probably actually lower than that. Corruption has a variety of outcomes:

We don't know the actual weight of each of them, but we know uniques can't change subtype, so presumably you have a 1 in 4 chance to add an affix to the item.

Bows have ~40 different corruption outcomes, so if that 25% hits, you have a 1/40 chance to hit the affix you want (not exactly because of weighting)

[wary cedar]

so we dont have any numbers yet

[wary cedar]

the shuriken affix is a common one tho

[rocky nova]

There might be more affixes excluded depending on the stats on an item as well tbf, but yeah, it does seem really risky to play a build that relies on a specific corruption

[desert bridge]

Yeah, but for the affix to be good, you also need it to be at least Tier 6, which is an even lower chance after the affix gets rolled

[wary cedar]

i m kinda down to gamble it tho lmao

[desert bridge]

You'll have to let us know how many attempts it takes to work out, lol

[wary cedar]

i will decide later if i ll do that

i m kinda unsure how corrupting unqiues works

like does it matter how much lp it has?

[desert bridge]

You'd never corrupt before slamming it, I don't think

Since it's unalterable after getting corrupted

[earnest moth]

corrupting is the last step if you're aiming to keep the it em

[wary cedar]

so i'd need a unqiue, slam it, and then corrupt?

[desert bridge]

yeah

1LP slams are probably the most likely to get corrupted

[earnest moth]

corrupting removes all forging potential also

[wary cedar]

so i'd need a good bow/quiver that i can easily get 2lp and have lot of slamable exalted items ready

sounds fun tbh

[flint turret]

thats a rough guess, we dont have a corruption outomes breakdown yet

might be better or worse

[wary cedar]

would you then go full out on throwing dmg or mix bow dmg and throw dmg?

[flint turret]

they dont share slots with each other

[wary cedar]

gotcha

[flint turret]

in general ill just try to get as much dex as possible as i already have

maybe add shuri affix on body

swap to lirakas gloves for sure

the rest can be alsmost the same

[wary cedar]

ya i mean heartseeker on it self should be fine

[flint turret]

yeah its fine

[wary cedar]

and if you get the corruption you can just add it on

[flint turret]

but it single target damage is not that amazing

shuri gonna help with that regardless of gear

[wary cedar]

what bow would you take tho?

[flint turret]

thats a good question

[wary cedar]

farming a lot of lp2 reign of winters sounds crazy tbh

i dont wanna do that xd

[flint turret]

im plannintg to start with multishot rend so im going for drelkors

[wary cedar]

what about gathering furry? it has good high lp chances

[flint turret]

in case i do slam i can transition to hs having 0 manacost and i spec 3\3 burning daggers in it which are also throwing damage

gathering is okay

row is okay

[wary cedar]

dragonsong?

[flint turret]

not as much

but can work

[wary cedar]

can you somehow utilies the bow lightning dmg from gathering?

[flint turret]

for hs itself obviosly

[wary cedar]

but it doesnt do lightning dmg

[flint turret]

only if you dont have it

[wary cedar]

oooh so that just adds the lightning dmg

i tought i adds dmg to my lighning dmg

[flint turret]

flat is called added because it just adds to anything

[wary cedar]

ya didnt thought it's add to 0 lol

what about dino item?

[flint turret]

hydra? can be okay too

hs repeats aent amazing but should be fun with shuri

i wouldnt try it even tho tbh

[wary cedar]

its 1 in 153 for lp2 tho

[flint turret]

just becase of how ridiculos the farm will be

you dont care about more than 1lp really

[wary cedar]

i think gathering and troakas theeth are fine

since you get high lp easy

[wary cedar]

but more stats on the bow looks cool tho

[flint turret]

50 multi or whatever from a second lp is barely notocable, the main goal is to slam shuri anyway

[wary cedar]

so just get a lot of lp1 s

[flint turret]

yeah but we are sktill bottlenecked by runes

[wary cedar]

isnt called grinding for nothing huh

😭

[flint turret]

this affix should be a unique item affix tbh, i strongly dislike the idea of locking the build-defining stuff behind giga gamba

or a set affix or whatever

[wary cedar]

hmmmm

[eager mason]

classic

[wary cedar]

i mean i didnt pick idols yet

so should be fine

[polar saffron]

good luck on the cold res

[fading burrow]

idk what to post so here is a rune of corruption

[wary cedar]

we thank you

[wary cedar]

@flint turret yoo isnt hs shuriken insane with burning daggers?

since we already invest into throwing dmg?

and we get multiple ways to proc burning daggers?

[flint turret]

there is nothing in the game that can make burning daggers "insane" but with shuriken slam on drelkors id use burning daggers on my hs for sure

[wary cedar]

you just dont see the vision 😔

[flint turret]

yeah i dont see a scenario where burning daggers are insane but i will be gladly proven wrong

[wary cedar]

idk if they re insane but i have like 3 things with burning daggers in the build going on

next to hs shuriken and all that throwing dmg

[flint turret]

they are a decent addition to shuriken hs like i already said, but nothing more than addition

having shuriken bow slam makes a build, having burning daggers or not dont change it much

shuriken on bow crit might be even better of with multishot

we dont know yet

[wary cedar]

i mean both use the same corrupted affix

so can't go wrong there

[flint turret]

but usually different bows and quivers

[wary cedar]

a heck

[flint turret]

if you start with hs you will be slamming row

and woth row you wont be able to use buning daggers because of mana drain

[wary cedar]

because icicle?

[flint turret]

because row is just the best hs bow

[wary cedar]

ah screw that, i ll jsut figure out stuff on the way

i ll just collect every bow on the way so i have some in spare 😭

[rapid siren]

Hydra arc is comparable some builds

[flint turret]

yeah gl corrupting that with 1\200 chance

[wary cedar]

dreams are there to be lived

[vivid cypress]

rogue got reworked this patch?

[desert bridge]

2 new skills, some fixes and good new set items

Not really reworks

[vivid cypress]

ooh ok

[white loom]

i got next one heh cant wait to check it https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/pl/BOw8DlvW is a problem with crt but afix on amu dont work idn why ...

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (66) / Marksman (27)

General:

▸ Health: 2,214, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 142.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 96 Dex / 21 Int / 21 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 155% / 72% / 72% / 72% / 90% / 73% / 103%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 443
▸ Dodge Chance: 53% (2106)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (871)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 70%

Used skills:

Shift / Synchronized Strike / Dancing Strikes / Umbral Blades / Shadow Cascade

[desert canyon]

Hey guys, does anyone that understands a bit of the game know if Heartseeker build is going to be good this patch?

[wary cedar]

didnt receive any direct buffs afaik

but you can now autocast shuriken on bow hit

but not until giga late game grind

[flint turret]

some indirect buffs, thats about it. No nerfs, just like any other build gets better from idols layours and corruptions, bows have particulary good ones

[slow sierra]

I did the damage calcs between Shadow Rend Multi Shot Marksman vs Bladedancer and they both do similar damage with MM coming in ahead by 6% however between not having At Death's Door and the dmg increase from Sniper's Gambit MM will probably be significantly less tanky. The when doing the Calcs the Multi shot per arrow mod is pretty much huge damage on both. Assuming all arrows hit/ getting max shadows each cast the Multishots will do 1.1 million per cast of Shadow Rend. Sadly this is about half of the damage of BS Shurikens when calc'd.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QeYwy9kq
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6P47rea

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (22) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (73) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,415, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 282.61, Regen: 12.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 60%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 121 Dex / 30 Int / 30 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 63% / 70% / 87% / 70% / 82% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 283
▸ Dodge Chance: 69% (3659)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (513)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 116%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Multishot / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker / Puncture

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (61) / Marksman (27) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,509, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 243.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 68%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 34 Str / 116 Dex / 34 Int / 34 Att / 34 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 70% / 72% / 94% / 92% / 88% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 24%, Threshold: 302
▸ Dodge Chance: 66% (3140)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (467)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 66%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 70%

Used skills:

Multishot / Shadow Rend / Smoke Bomb / Puncture / Dark Quiver

[pulsar solar]

Not only visualy. It would be look perfect with LM and shadow rend. But yes fire could be stronger cause auf this fire sword rena

[wary cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6X1qdk

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (29) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (79)

General:

▸ Health: 1,671, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 192.79, Regen: 10.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 108 Dex / 12 Int / 24 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 43% / 3% / 73% / 53% / 43% / 63% / 68%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 334
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (990)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (491)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 10%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker / Shurikens / Puncture / Dark Quiver

[wary cedar]

roast me

[slow sierra]

Only thing I can say is GL corrupting those affixes on bow/quiver

[wary cedar]

got have something to do until S5 no?

[raw magnet]

Don't let your memes be dreams... Wait

[flint turret]

dunno why would you want kuzan and that ring tbh

[wary cedar]

burning daggers 🤑

(IDK)

it's just an option

[flint turret]

outside of ridiculos slams and no survivability whatsoever i guess its fine

[finite arch]

so is this build good. the one u remade? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owL2zReN

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (66) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,819, Regen: 35.36/s
▸ Mana: 153.52, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 101 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 50 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 62% / 71% / 87% / 71% / 102% / 107%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,067
▸ Dodge Chance: 59% (2529)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,053)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Multishot / Heartseeker

[flint turret]

i have no idea bro it all depends on how multishot rend behaves

its either good or bad

[finite arch]

oh

so nothing is a go until you know how the interaction works

[flint turret]

if shadows will dash and shoot pointblank its good, if only 1 shadow dashes, its already worse, if only 1 shadow dashes and aims god knows where its terrible

pretty much

ill try it on legacy rogue before going for it

if its rettible ill just go with another rend with zurial quiver shurikens selfcast and tabi i guess

[finite arch]

ok, ill just stick with dragonsong hs for now

[floral cypress]

I literally have one person on ignore and the whole rogue thread looks like 150 ignored messages xdd

[twilit ibex]

It says "The manifested shadow dashes" so I'm pretty sure only 1 will target

[flint turret]

it says shadowS below tho

[twilit ibex]

Probably to account for Tabi's

[flint turret]

i dont think tabi shadow can multishot at all

[twilit ibex]

I would love it if it made all shadows target though that would be so cool

[flint turret]

its a different indirect skill entirely

[twilit ibex]

Ah true then yeah I don't think any shadows would target, just shoot randomly

[flint turret]

then its plain terrible

[twilit ibex]

It doesn't specify "at nearby enemies" or anything

Hopefully it's just missing tooltip info cuz yeah it's probably bad lol

[flint turret]

no use to ponder over it so far we just need to see how it works

[twilit ibex]

For sure

[flint turret]

plenty of other options with rend anyway

[twilit ibex]

Using shadow rend as traversal to generate elemental arrows is the only use I've thought of for it

For marksman anyway

[flint turret]

i mean even if its the one shadow thats dashing, its still decent if it will work because that would mean its gonna be resummoned at the place it dashed to(i.e.) under the boss for 60% chance, while the new one lauches

[flint turret]

i think i would prefer traversal on melee with cascades

[flint turret]

for mm i made a planner of alterating shurikens and rend, no idea if its good

something like this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QeYwmRxm

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (23) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (75) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,028, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 180.61, Regen: 12.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 114 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 88% / 72% / 85% / 90%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,558
▸ Dodge Chance: 68% (3506)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (598)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 133%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 75%

Used skills:

Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Shurikens / Explosive Trap

[twilit ibex]

Yeah I think rend is better for melee in every way

[flint turret]

im not sure yet

[twilit ibex]

I thought about zeurial's too

[flint turret]

but traversal melee rend with experimental belt traversal and cascades looks sexy for sure for echo chains hopping

[twilit ibex]

Yeah that sounds so fun

[flint turret]

its just i played cascades last season id prefer something different so

hopefully multishot works out

[twilit ibex]

Shadow interactions with multishot give me some hope that something could be put together but without having any form of built-in aiming it seems just kinda bad

[flint turret]

yeah, but we have a hydra rend as a backup

4 shadows on evade sounds fun

[twilit ibex]

Is there any good evade cdr in the game? Never checked before

[flint turret]

not really, just generic one

lightning in a bottle belt resets it tho

[twilit ibex]

That would be kinda funny

Evade potion hydra rend

[flint turret]

yeah ive thouth about using it if i end up with hydra rend

Also having experimental traversal on it will make 1 potion to reset both evade and traversal and both generate shadows

[twilit ibex]

Man if phasepoint generated a black arrow on every dodge you could so much cool shit with hydra rend

[desert canyon]

Too bad the ice version of heartseeker is too squishy, the boots are the problem I believe, was hoping they would look into to that but sadly no

[wary cedar]

squishy dont matter

only dmg

!

[eager mason]

this works right?

[wary cedar]

why wouldnt it?

[eager mason]

incase it just converts slow chance from gear

[wary cedar]

would be weird i think

[twilit ibex]

That would only be the case if they specified "Slow chance from gear"

If it's a blanket statement it SHOULD work with all sources

[flint turret]

I don't agree really. I have killed Uber with pretty gear just because of how crazy sustain is. It wasn't pretty, and it took forever but yeah. Hs can sustain around 20 dusk shrouds during bossing so it's not as bad. The bigger issue is the lack of damage

[twilit ibex]

If the cold pen per overcapped cold resist was 2% per 5% it would go a long way 🙂

[flint turret]

Yeah but that cuts survivability by quite a bit

[twilit ibex]

Yeah but they would never give ranged free damage without a punishment

[flint turret]

For monos it's fine tho if you go for ward life hybrid and oveecapped cold also acts as wars retention with gloves

But on Uber ward is terrible

And that requires much better lp affix budget

And preferably multiexalted slams

[flint turret]

They kinda do now. Most of bow corruptions are awesome

[twilit ibex]

Fair yeah but corruptions can also brick your gear LOL

The idols are huge for marksman imo

[flint turret]

Top end bows were already mostly used with 1lp

So it's not really an issue

[twilit ibex]

True I had an entire tab of 1-2LP RoW last season

[flint turret]

Idols not as much. You need those for res often and they nerfed res on weavers

Which hurts capping phys and cold res ngl

[twilit ibex]

Well not just for hs, for multishot too

[flint turret]

You also need mourningfrost for multishot so same logic applies

[twilit ibex]

Fair

[desert canyon]

Well idk I played it on season 2 I think and I was getting one shoted pretty often, besides the lack of damage ofc

[flint turret]

Me too

[twilit ibex]

No damage and 1-shot, the marksman PoV LMAO

[flint turret]

That's why I was running like 700-1000 corr and didn't push further on hs

I went to 1500 but it felt worse and there was no point doing it

[desert canyon]

Yeah basically, but not sure I have it in me to play this season just because of a field mech, kinda seems like it will get boring pretty soon

[flint turret]

Hoa has it much easier. Giga tanky, no mourning, better damage, I just don't like it

[twilit ibex]

Yeah HoA mana is the only good marksman build but same not fun for me

Does Hydra snapshot the buffs when you had when you used the skill?

[flint turret]

i dont think so

[twilit ibex]

Too bad, could probably make a really chunky heartseeker build with it

Elemental arrow / black arrow

[flint turret]

would be way too good

[pulsar solar]

Shadow cascade scaled not with T7 melee physical damage is that a bug?

[flint turret]

wdym

[flint bough]

it should scale with it 🙂

[flint turret]

unless its fully converted to throwing yeah