🔪┃rogue

[lime folio]

hopefully

atm it looks pretty grim to hit a specific one with a decent tier

[flint turret]

the crit one can be t4

to still get 2% crit per dex

[lime folio]

ya, 50-50 on t4, sure on t5+

but you're already on a like, 1 in 100
if you roll an affix result
who knows the chance for each tier, and the chance to get an affix

[flint turret]

wonder if cof increse the chances of exalted corruption

[lime folio]

like, i wouldnt put that affix on a 1LP red ring in a planner, especially with how they nerfed imprints

[flint turret]

yeah its not happening for rr

you just take any positive one at best

[rugged pollen]

holy

this is massive right?

never really played bow

[lime folio]

ye
however, we might be able to get more set bonuses than i expected
since you can corrupt into a set affixes

[flint turret]

WHAT

[rugged pollen]

that is like 2 best prefix combined into 1

shit

bow corruption has so many good outcome

[lime folio]

you can proc it on quiver too

[flint turret]

why are they listed as t8 tho

we cant get t8 from corruption no?

[lime folio]

dont think so, no

[flint turret]

false alert

its bad

[lime folio]

hahahahaa

[rugged pollen]

bro

[lime folio]

3s per 10s

[rugged pollen]

:ICANT

still pretty good no?

[flint turret]

well its still like 20-iesh %

[rocky nova]

the flat attack alone is good

[lime folio]

the flat damage is permanent

[rugged pollen]

i mean if you corrupt your bow and get that

still a hit right/

[flint turret]

i mean id take 12% chance to cast shuriken anyday over this

hs goes brrr

[rugged pollen]

that's build defining

[flint turret]

it is

[rugged pollen]

and it's on crit

not on use

[flint turret]

hs would be insane

but how to get it no one knows

[lime folio]

t5 on bow + quiver would be 17% chance to cast shuriken on bow crit

with a +8% flat crit to go with it

[flint turret]

tunklabs have diffeternt values

[lime folio]

this is from tunklab

[flint turret]

ah quiver has less

[lime folio]

you forgot bow gets more benefit from it

[flint turret]

dam iwanna play hs shuri

but i wont get it ever

[thin quartz]

Time is near. Back to LE again

[rocky nova]

Seems like maybe a late season reroll if you ever hit it

[flint turret]

i play like a month at most

[lime folio]

bow is only 41 affixes

[crimson latch]

please @zenith bridge make some crazy marksman build

[flint turret]

bro you already have shurikens on bow crit

[lime folio]

"only"

[flint turret]

whats more crazy do you need

slap hs slap corruption and good to go

[rocky nova]

do y'all think shurikens with blade shield will circle the bladestorm or yourself? when procced via shuriken storm

[eager mason]

2lp skin still not bad

its 25% reroll chance anyways

well I can remove that from giga end game planner

[flint turret]

they didnt nerf tongue right?

[eager mason]

they nerfed imprinting

yeah tongue is same

[flint turret]

wow

[thin quartz]

I don’t understand the imprint nerf. It was already hard enough to get double/triple exalted item and then to gamble slam.

[crimson latch]

what build could use it?

[flint turret]

hs obviously

you have mourningfrost for flt throw you have dragonfang for flat throw you have smoke for flat throw

250 flat without a single affix

[wraith nacelle]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ @flint turret I made a ROUGH moc up of what im thinking any chance you can take a look and give me your thoughts . Im also not sure on the last skill slot yet

link didnbt save hold on

[flint turret]

ypu didnt save it

[wraith nacelle]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ3OPjXj is this better

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (67) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,234, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 138.79, Regen: 12.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 33 Dex / 14 Int / 14 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 97% / 57% / 72% / 57% / 79% / 124%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 527
▸ Dodge Chance: 28% (957)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (369)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Multishot

[flint turret]

perma frenzy t1 what

[eager mason]

wtf

[earnest moth]

They mentioned loot scales better now based on corruption - I wonder how impactful it’ll be

[eager mason]

what slot

[flint turret]

relic

[lime folio]

wasnt reroll chance supposed to be 0-99?
why do we have some between 100% and 200%?

[rocky nova]

do dagger throws from shadow cascade inheret the 300% added dmg effectiveness? it has its own added dmg effectiveness, but i thought all inhereted skills now just inheret from parent?

[flint turret]

it wont work

you will be always full hp

you cant disable those

[thin quartz]

Bow rogue can’t play low life due to those 2 node.

[wraith nacelle]

I wasn't going for low life . Is there another quiver you think would be better

[flint turret]

dunno, so far im not sure if those boots will work at all as you with them to

so that will probably be mourningfrost

bow probably hydra

[eager mason]

nice

[wraith nacelle]

Dam I was trying to avoid mourning frost at all costs the strain on the res just get exhausting after doing three different times now

[flint turret]

we still dont have decent sources of bow flat tbh

we can use elemental arrows for rend maybe

but thats on cd

and doesnt help multishot

[wraith nacelle]

Yea it sucks that why I was stacking crit chance on the skill trees so if I had to I could put flat on the bow

[flint turret]

you crit cap it with the set t7 relic

10% flat crit

[wraith nacelle]

I would have to have a double t7 then with my current tree I need all the points witch is doable but much harder to farm now

[flint turret]

hydra +4

[wraith nacelle]

you think over discord ?

[flint turret]

to be albe to create shadows with rend using evasion yeah probably

[lime folio]

just corrupt into flat crit

[wraith nacelle]

I would also have to take a second set affix then no? I was just taking the one for the flat crit for now

[flint turret]

why

hydra repeats rend 3 times

its 3 shadows

And you use doppel helm affix to consume

[wraith nacelle]

Oh I see what your saying . I would need to change the ring affixes to dex as well then to be able to get to 135. which I need to get 180 for RR any ways and if im already dex stacking might as well go for morning frost dam .......... not again

[flint turret]

Yep again

Amulet can get you 20 all stat

New one

If you don't want to play mourning your only choise is to clear with something else like shadow dive on falconer

[wraith nacelle]

core can also give all stats as well if Im going to go hydra

[flint turret]

But even then you would probably still want mourning for rend

And for falcon

Well or you can get the shurikens/flat damage t7 corruption on hydra kekw

[wraith nacelle]

any thoughts on the last skill ?

[flint turret]

Falconry I'd say

It's probably gonna be super mana hungry as is

Or something with 0 manacost to get mana back

[wraith nacelle]

I thought that two that why I took the les cost in smoke and the drelkors -4

[flint turret]

Tough call

[kind adder]

I was a little underwhelmed by bladestorm skill tree... maybe I'm not seeing the big picture. Does it seem good?

[flint turret]

Maybe hs? It can quickly get your mana back and get you some frailty and shrouds

0 manacost with drelk

[eager mason]

ooh

set items cant get normal affixes

pool is way better

[wraith nacelle]

If I can get crit chance under control I could run a revengers dart and not have to run peak but I don't know if thats doable

[eager mason]

you just corrupt set items

[slow sierra]

Whats the baseline shadow limit/cap?

[flint turret]

You are not running peak anyway

You need doppel

Crit from ring corruption then I guess

If you don't wanna t7 set relic

Or t5 on bow

[lime folio]

so we're back on set items + 1LP corrupt meta!

[flint turret]

3

[slow sierra]

I feel like there just is not enough shadow generation to make hidden strength shadow rend worth while

[flint turret]

Without falconer dives and hydra yeah

Belt that gives evasion charge on potion with hydra can be great

Okay guys, build idea:
LM with fulgrites
Combo is: bladestorm, sync, shift, lm
-Flow now gives 100% more damage on 4th skill
-shifting through bladestorm using charion will give like 1000 inc damage
-5 shadows consumed by lm every time

+Can also use shurikens casted by bladestorm because already fulgrites give shuri damage to help with clear and bleed application for lm

Can even go for 6 shadow while adding CD to sync

No mana issues whatsoever compared to old lm because no coated blades

And better clear because of bladestorm shuri

oh wait i cant read omg, shifting throu bladestorm gives IT movement speed, not me

[kind adder]

I love LM so that sounds like a lot of fun

I want to make a DS fire build with burning daggers and shadow cascade everywhere

That sounds like so much fun

[flint turret]

it will work for sure

[kind adder]

So DS does not get converted with the set affix shard... have to use the set sword. That kinda stinks.

I mean it's a pretty good sword

But miss out on a lot of melee attack speed

[slow sierra]

Man the more I look at bladestorm the more it disappoints. Where are the multipliers. It has almost nothing.

[desert bridge]

The umbral blades node is huge more damage

[slow sierra]

For the work you have to do it is rather small

[rocky nova]

BS => shuriken procs might be the way to go

pure BS does seem kind of low

[slow sierra]

wonder if blade shield shuriken causes shurikens to orbit the BS

[rocky nova]

altho nothing seems close to the amount of modifiers we can get on shadow cascade which also has absurd added dmg effectiveness

[rocky nova]

was wondering this too

if not, deadly aim is prob the way to go

[kind adder]

So if you have flow, the 4th attack in DS just automatically does 100% more damage

That's pretty nutty

[bold brook]

Trying to theorycraft cascade but with rend traversal, but I don't think the mana sustain is there

Shift is just so goood, and you also lose umbrals mana regen on recall

[eager mason]

oh it is all phys now

thats nice

[flint turret]

okay first iteration of rend bd. this one is for mono hopping. For single target dps id respec cascade into traps(hold this) and add shadow consume for more damage on rend
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYE9KWJ3

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (78) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,120, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 225.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 83 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 88% / 72% / 77% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,539
▸ Dodge Chance: 71% (4038)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (860)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 133%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Synchronized Strike / Dancing Strikes

[rugged pollen]

wait

[flint turret]

crit can be gotten from rogue passives if no crit corr on relic yet

[rugged pollen]

can set affixes be sealed?

[flint turret]

yeah

[eager mason]

0lpl

[rugged pollen]

but they cant be t6+ sealed right?

[flint turret]

but id rathet corrupt tons of set items rather than craft exalted set

[rugged pollen]

yeah this is so fking nuts

[flint turret]

unless itd a corrupted affix i guess yeah

[rugged pollen]

you can easily get 3lp

and just ignore all the stats shenanigan

[flint turret]

im 100% sure its a typo

[rugged pollen]

2 skill and 20 stats is bonker

[eager mason]

yeah looks like it

I mean

tunk too

[rugged pollen]

i think it's real

[eager mason]

they showed it with 2 corruptions before, does it drop corrupted

[rugged pollen]

maybe ehg thinks that ppl will ALWAYS corrupt it

and ending up bricking alot

[flint turret]

ah yeah probably

[rugged pollen]

so they just allow you to slam a bunch of good ones

[flint turret]

nah its dropping corrupted

for sho

[rugged pollen]

ugh

was it mentioned anywhere that corrupted affix gives less value on an unique/leg than on a non-unique one?

like here

[weary widget]

Bee? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzWK53w

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (63)

General:

▸ Health: 2,225, Regen: 106.56/s
▸ Mana: 188.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 182 Dex / 25 Int / 38 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 92% / 92% / 76% / 101% / 71% / 208%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 779
▸ Dodge Chance: 60% (2565)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (3,013)
▸ Block Chance: 10%, Mitigation: 23% (364)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 122%

Used skills:

Decoy / Acid Flask / Smoke Bomb / Shurikens / Falconry

[rare jacinth]

LEtools is doing something funky with legendary affixes in general at the moment

[wary cedar]

anyone smart enough to tell me if when i use doppelgaenger set with shadow rend with the nodes to make it a traversal skill and also the shadow massacre, if then the shadows spawned from that travels already count as existing and will activate?

[flint turret]

id say no, it would consume already existing shadows, and then the new ones created by rend will remain after

[wary cedar]

so i would need to use cascade once manually

[flint turret]

so far the best i could come up with for bow rend https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbWkmXk

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (26) / Falconer (53)

General:

▸ Health: 2,808, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 225.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 111 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 88% / 72% / 77% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,514
▸ Dodge Chance: 74% (4636)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,618)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 133%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 108%

Used skills:

Dive Bomb / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Shurikens / Falconry

[flint turret]

no mourning, all flat damage mostly from bow and elemental arrows

and 100% lightning penetration after manual blaed shield

and falcon mark for 75% more

[wraith nacelle]

if trying to fit in MS in you could run and idol setup to start like this to make up for the crit

[flint turret]

forgot light shred blessing

maybe the same setup im using can be okay for multishot if we swap tabi for mourning and diff quiver

potions with traversal rend to spam shadows

ah dam

this one is locked after non traversal

okay okay

OKAY

[wraith nacelle]

yea i speced that node instead of traversal so it didnt have cooldown

[flint turret]

how about using hydra, this belt with doppel set and smoke traversal

it should give you enough shadows for multishot

both traversal and evade will create 3 shadows instantly

[wraith nacelle]

possibly

[flint turret]

or we can use shift instead of trav smoke but i think trav smoke is better

also dive bomb reduces traversal cd

which is smoke

crit also wont be an issue smoke gives 10% flat for bow

[bold brook]

Something I just noticed is Crushing Darkness now only benefits direct uses of cascade

So indirect uses have lost its 30% multiplier

[flint turret]

wait a minute it says shadow rush can still move me

so traversal works with improved aiming

it mean i create shadows, then jump, then shadows follow me for 5m, then they dash and attack, right?

sounda pretty good

[wide yacht]

there was someone who was really trying hard to make DS bleed build work around here

i wonder what they'd think of this lol

[rare jacinth]

wonder if that's good enough to make Salt the Wound work

[wary cedar]

guys i m to stupid to use the planer
how can i hower over a link in an item description without vanishing because my mouse leaving the item? 💀

[rare jacinth]

to really dig into the details you'll want to go to the resources dropdown on the top bar and browse over to the item's dedicated page

[wary cedar]

it's not an item in that

[wraith nacelle]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgRO30Y5 what about using the set chest or chest apsect and primo ring for sets and a ravengers dart ?

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (67) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,269, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 134.47, Regen: 10.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 39 Dex / 12 Int / 12 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 97% / 122% / 123% / 43% / 63% / 108%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 534
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (636)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (455)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 75%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Multishot / Heartseeker

[wary cedar]

it's skill description i m tlaking about

[rare jacinth]

there's another option in that same dropdown for skills

[hearty moon]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ3OP0eD review on this skill set up?

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (70) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,320, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 13 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 7% / 12%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 462
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (317)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 19%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shurikens / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Cascade

[wary cedar]

ok ok i think i found the build i wanna try lol

hope it's good

[desert bridge]

I just realized, this is not MELEE critical strike multiplier and the 2 piece isn't more MELEE damage. That's some big throwing crits waiting to happen.

[wary cedar]

@desert bridge i m sorry to inform you but i converted away from cascade 🙏

[desert bridge]

That's okay, more cascades for me

Though cinder strike build is kinda calling to me too

[wary cedar]

i will try something with bladestorm
shift with doppelgaenger - bladestorm - 2nd shift through the bladestorm

[eager mason]

why are my affixes getting halved

[wary cedar]

all while recalling some umbral blades from expired shadows that then also boost the bladestorm

[eager mason]

just bugged?

[wraith nacelle]

I noticed that two on a few of them on the planner just I bug I assume

[slow sierra]

How do more multipliers work with shadow daggers? does it inherit the damage of the ability that put the stacks on?

[eager mason]

yeah I think this thing just drops corrupted

which is gonna be interesting

its the only item that is shown corrupted

[wary cedar]

does this basesetup make any sense?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5Pgk0Ez

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (25) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,663, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 131.98, Regen: 10.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 39 Dex / 12 Int / 12 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 27% / 27% / 27% / 96% / 27% / 39% / 44%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 333
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (465)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (597)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 33%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 10%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Shadow Cascade / Shift / Umbral Blades / Bladestorm

[plush maple]

Hold/Press Z while you hover the mouse.

[wary cedar]

that's the button i was searching the whole time, ty xd

[pine hatch]

They have taken the +2 from evolution amulet

[finite arch]

so who cooked a nice build?

[pine hatch]

I guess you can't have both shuriken Strom and blade detonation

[flint turret]

hmmm wonder if i can leech from melee damage from rend melee hit while having bow rend with tabi

[slow sierra]

This is where I am at right now https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olVXPdrJ
Thought process is Bladestorm Shuriken (either chakram or deadly aim if blade shield sucks/doesn't work) for clear and poison stacking/SD procs on bosses. Then have Shadow Rend for bosses. Specifically using umbral blades to generate shadows and get flow stacks to trigger flow consumption on the Shadow Rend. Taking all the more mods on Shadow Rend to stack to the moon rough calcs have the hit 11 million before lvl dmg reduction. Need to flesh out idols and I could drop some Throwing Damage rolls for better stats that scale Shadow Rend if there is enough dmg for trash. Also could use Li'raka's for more SD and bladestorm dmg.

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (82) / Falconer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 2,956, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 243.28, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 54%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 69 Dex / 27 Int / 27 Att / 35 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 57% / 57% / 72% / 57% / 92% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 48%, Threshold: 1,102
▸ Dodge Chance: 25% (856)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,300)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 96%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Bladestorm / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades

[slow sierra]

probably no because the melee attack is using the bow dmg

[zenith bridge]

If you want shurikens for clear go for throwing stars and add 175% crit multi with one point into ricochet, 3 into massacre. Otherwise your setup is already for bossing and you probably wont need Rend

but-1 bladestorms is a downside for shuriken proc

also lirakas huge dmg multi

[slow sierra]

I really do not think shurikens does enough damage for bosses not enough multipliers. I am looking at builds that can clear and have a 1 to 2 min uberoth. I think if you want that much boss damage shadow rend is necessary.

Though the ricochet setup looks better for map clear

[pine hatch]

I tested a bit so I think ds+bladestrom+shuriken+sc should work pretty good

[zenith bridge]

im building both a BD and falconer version atm

[pine hatch]

After the rework with careful assault only can have 2 points in so 50% instead of 100% like before

I was worried about the mana cost for bladestrom but I forget it's a throwing skill so from rings and some -mana in skilltree should be all good

[pine hatch]

Nahhhh fk Falconer just play BD

[zenith bridge]

mana cost for bladestorm shouldnt be an issue when shuriken is your main dmg. You cast it once, scale duration and let shuriken abuse sapping strikes

[eager mason]

do I even plan around corruptions or idol altars

[zenith bridge]

im missing skill synergies on BD when fully focus on bladestorm shuriken setup

[eager mason]

I feel like I just make a 1.3 planner without all those and change it later

[zenith bridge]

with falc i go bladestorm shuriken smoke bomb falconry net

[eager mason]

or double t7s

[zenith bridge]

on bd i would go bladestorm shuriken smoke bomb net and explosive trap (with new bladestorm relic), no clue how the relic performs though

[pine hatch]

Sync+bladestrom with shuriken?

[zenith bridge]

what i love on BD is 60% dusk shroud chance on throwing hit

why sync strike+blade? we can only have 3 bladestorms and there is a node that procs all 3 BS once

sync into shuriken we drain too much mana, so bladestorm cant proc shurikens every second cause we need to be above 50% mana

just spec into attack speed, bladestorms act as your perma shadows around you

[pine hatch]

Oic the razorrain

+10 mana

[zenith bridge]

its only 28 mana cost

[pine hatch]

[zenith bridge]

you cast once every 7 seconds

you can bring down bladestorm mana cost to 11 with t7 rings and skilltree nodes

[visual warren]

did they say anything if shadows imitate bladestorm casts? its not written on shadow description or i missed on patch notes?

[pine hatch]

Ok so bladestrom cost 18 and from rings -10 skill tree -7 and new hooked blades -1 so it can be reduced to 0 mana cost right

[misty torrent]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy4vj8WY
I wanted to explore the possibilities of the new sets. What do you think, guys?

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (64) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,178, Regen: 21.2/s
▸ Mana: 207.51, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 72%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 28 Dex / 16 Int / 16 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 74% / 74% / 96% / 69% / 95% / 65%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 69%, Threshold: 636
▸ Dodge Chance: 81% (9191)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (850)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 542%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 41%

Used skills:

Synchronized Strike / Shadow Cascade / Shift / Umbral Blades / Dancing Strikes

[visual warren]

wait for them making Efficient Manufacturing beeing a 3 points node before launch so it costs at least 1mana 🙂

[eager mason]

I just realized this being a 3 part makes it so that you dont get legends entwined bonus ...

since its not a full set

[visual warren]

how do you sustain HP on this build?

[pine hatch]

If it cost 0 so it means I can gain some mana with it and opens more options with other skills

[visual warren]

The Butcher's Crown? os its the investment in mana regen already enougth to ssustain shuriken casts?

[pine hatch]

Shadow steps in DS is very op but it has this bloody +5 mana cost so I can't have it both with perfect choreo

Anyways test it out next week

[slow sierra]

Cloaked Reaper will give a ton of life

[visual warren]

how many dusk shrouds you expecting to get?

[slow sierra]

30+ probably

[visual warren]

around 100 hp per hit yeah gonna be fine

[zenith bridge]

yep

[pine hatch]

Sweet

Solved

😆

[zenith bridge]

you use bladestorm as mana generator?

[pine hatch]

Not trying to generate but I feel like I'ma Gonna have some trouble with mana because shuriken from bladestrom has a min 4 mana cost as well

[zenith bridge]

so around every second shurikens from bladestorm drain 12 mana. You gain 8 mana per shuriken cast with sapping strikes. You also have base mana regen, you have more attack speed to sustain mana then bladestorm/shuriken proc can cost

[crimson latch]

So the most fun and new builds rely on BD ?

[zenith bridge]

you need to scale attack speed to sustain it. Veil of Night,3 point Ryhtmn, Flash of Steel, swift assassin, Peltast. Already enough throwing speed make sure you can sustain it

[desert bridge]

Correct, but if you think about it, that just adds the bonuses from Legends Entwined to the 2nd piece you equip. Either you do JUST belt and use 2 weapons you like and don't get the bonus OR you use the belt and a weapon and you get the LE bonus on top.

Obviously that is only meaningful if you want to use LE for other sets, like the Doppelganger set or the Abandoned set (or both!)

[crimson latch]

What’s the best primordial for this bladestorm build?

[slow sierra]

I am thinking it is most likely the dagger but it could be one of the idol increasing ones

[obsidian badge]

Anyone think Jelkhor's could be back? With t8 + t7 reduced throwing cost you can get bladestorm cost down to 0 to trigger all the mana refund passives and you can use the new relic to chain bladestorm -> explosive trap -> detonating arrow

[slow sierra]

Problem is Jelkhor's does not give the extra flat to indirectly casted arrows

[obsidian badge]

think the damage is hopeless without it?

[slow sierra]

not completely also the thing that made jelkor's go insane was the stacking lightning pen from one of the nodes that was fixed

[kind adder]

Also, indirect casts of explosive trap don't throw nearly as many as direct casts

[slow sierra]

like when you nuked the boss it had like -500 lightning res

[kind adder]

So you'd be getting a lot less det arrows doing it that way

[obsidian badge]

ah rip

[kind adder]

Probably better off just direct casting explosive trap

Which is unfortunately pretty much the same as it was last season I think

[obsidian badge]

thanks guys

[kind adder]

I can't believe I have to wait a whole 6 days to play dancing strikes

[snow forum]

What is the point of the "Shadowstorm" node on the Bladestorm tree? Wouldn't the extra hit from the Bladestorm be a fairly minor DPS increase?

[slow sierra]

better for single target if you are try to stack up hits

for ailments

[crimson latch]

Please resume I’m so bad at theory craft

What’s viable

[polar saffron]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BxvXk73m here's my current build idea. seems strong enough to be playable, ~120k frostbite ticks with all bonuses applied, but definitely a weird build setup

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (88) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,059, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 126.51, Regen: 12.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 61%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 47 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 114% / 74% / 84% / 87% / 78% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 412
▸ Dodge Chance: 15% (487)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (375)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 96%

Used skills:

Bladestorm / Explosive Trap / Umbral Blades / Shift / Smoke Bomb

[polar saffron]

would not try taking this into 1k+ corruption thats for sure

[snow forum]

I'm thinking of making a build using Sync Strike, Bladestorm, and Shadow Cascade. Besides my movement skill, what would be a good 5th ability?

I was thinking Shadow Rend, but I'm not sure if I need the extra shadows. Umbral Blades look like they might be a good option with the Bladestorm nodes

[polar saffron]

when in doubt smoke bomb

especially for a shadow build

[snow forum]

That might be a good idea

I want to use Bladestorm for clear, and Sync Strike + Shadow Cascade for big damage. This would be my first time playing a rogue

Theoretically, should Bladestorm snapshot passives and skills that say "Your next skill gains X" or something along those lines?

[north tree]

just realized how easy they made us have avoid crit cap with passives

thats awesome

[floral cypress]

is falconer dead right? whats a good rogue alternative

[candid ledge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP69KlDp

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (25) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (67)

General:

▸ Health: 2,651, Regen: 182.16/s
▸ Mana: 180.51, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 60%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 38 Str / 234 Dex / 30 Int / 40 Att / 35 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 74% / 69% / 56% / 41% / 76% / 191%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,087
▸ Dodge Chance: 67% (3276)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,873)
▸ Block Chance: 100%, Mitigation: 52% (2,248)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 37%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Used skills:

Acid Flask / Shift / Decoy / Falconry / Aerial Assault

[wraith nacelle]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYE9KdDg After cooking on this on off through out the day I think I cam up with a shadow rend multi shot set up that could be pretty good

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (66) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,577, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 169.03, Regen: 9.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 16%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 65 Dex / 8 Int / 8 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 61% / 92% / 90% / 126% / 52% / 61% / 86%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 595
▸ Dodge Chance: 21% (707)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 14% (406)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 75%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Multishot / Heartseeker

[cyan wren]

What are skills on this.

[candid ledge]

the ones in the planner

its a bee build

though

js acid flask/decoy stacker on the bee

and do infinite dmg

[cyan wren]

I clicked on planner and skill tabs are empty.

[wraith nacelle]

click the skill button above the skill slots and it will show you what is specialized

[cyan wren]

I see ty.

[cyan wren]

followed your rehan armor stacker in TLI and finished season in a week.
Looking forward to this, hopefully not get gutted before launch.

[candid ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-seal-seal-gif-2608786126240242496

unlucky gif

[brittle hound]

hey yall this my first actual attempt and making a build for myself rather than just following maxroll slop can i get some advice on it if there is anything to improve?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVapLRwl

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (67) / Marksman (25)

General:

▸ Health: 2,305, Regen: 48.96/s
▸ Mana: 195.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 40 Dex / 10 Int / 10 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 75% / 75% / 90% / 75% / 93% / 123%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 461
▸ Dodge Chance: 63% (2836)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,197)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 36%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 103%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Shurikens / Cinder Strike

[candid ledge]

get more dex

[north tree]

is there corrupted weapons I see corrupted affixes but no weapons

oh its just rune of corruption

[brittle hound]

am i overlooking something that warrants stacking dex? also what stat do i drop for it

[candid ledge]

defense is what you are overlooking, generally

you arent getting red ring value and dex is good for dodge but its still inc dmg regardless

[brittle hound]

you know what i didnt even consider i got inactive red rings on my planner im too mage pilled

fr just put those there as placeholders and forgot about it

thanks ill give the planner another pass tmr

[sage canyon]

bro u cant just come in and say clueless wrong things 💀

[pulsar solar]

Does that mean „directly“ use of Cascade?

[north tree]

I wonder if wings of discord is op with new idol system

[fading burrow]

yes the class is dead since beta

kappa

[rugged pollen]

If you're doing arena it's super strong

If not the strongest armor in the game

[north tree]

na trying to do Fire BD with the new set

was going wings of argentus

[candid ledge]

never lucky ...

[polar saffron]

i might look into bleed bladestorm to see how much better it is lmao... frostbite seems really fun but i feel like theres a lot of bleed synergy to the point that going frostbite might be bait

[rocky nova]

generally no, i dont know for sure if this counts, but in almost all cases, anything other than putting the skill on your action bars and pressing that button will count as "directly"

[wide yacht]

seems like DS has no new node that could possibly interact with shadow rend, sad times

[random sedge]

I made up Poison/Bleed Dancing strikes. Gear is super endgame (unsure on exactly how corrupted mods work yet) https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbW89dj

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (36) / Bladedancer (64) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 3,422, Regen: 29.4/s
▸ Mana: 160.51, Regen: 16.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 23 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 72% / 72% / 76% / 72% / 92% / 111%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,471
▸ Dodge Chance: 53% (2105)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (550)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 100%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 101%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shurikens / Shift / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb

[random sedge]

Utilises deadly mixture and salt the wound for lots of more damage scaling

Will put together a build guide for it

[plush rune]

is cool but its not new fire BD :(

[random sedge]

you could run pillagers on this build for the burning daggers

you bringing up fire just made me realise that is a bit extra more damage I could squeeze out

would it beat bleed duration tho?

[random sedge]

do you have link to fire BD?

[plush rune]

its the new set items

[random sedge]

that burning dagger dancing strike ones?

[plush rune]

yeah

[cyan wren]

Just read somewhere it'll be possible to reach close to 190 bees with all the min maxed items this ss?

[random sedge]

it does look super cool

[random sedge]

holy

[plush rune]

busted if true

what if.... <_<

[cyan wren]

Somebody confirm this.

[random sedge]

that seems about right

potion spamming sounds unfun to me tho

[steady cypress]

so next season bee falconer will be the new meta?

[plush rune]

ahh all 1x1 stackin

potion spam seems excessive at that point

[random sedge]

it will be good but I doubt it will be meta

[pine hatch]

Any update on the concentration? They gonna fix it?

[zenith bridge]

Its fixed

[pine hatch]

Cool thanks

[sage canyon]

all g now

any giga shurikens builds blade shield looks pretty insane

[flint turret]

Still have no idea what mastery to go for bow rend. All 3 have their benefits.
-Bd gets extra shadows, melee leech(with tabi melee shadow), perfection, crit multi, frailty
-mm gets flat bow, sharpshooter, also crit multi, shred, more damage per mana, more mana on 0 cost skills if needed and hs if needed, bow leech
-falconer gets hunter mark, mana fain from falcon, shadow dives, traversal cdr on dive, longer smoke, more dusks, armor , no leech

And all 3 have different skill rotations for flow consume on rend

[sage canyon]

clear looks monka for bow rend

or you using smth else?

[flint turret]

No

And it should be fine

[sage canyon]

🤨

hope it works out

[flint turret]

Hydra bow, doppel set, traversal rend, traversal recovery on potion, jungle queen, tabi

Massive amounts of shadows with increased aiming and follow nodes

With both melee and bow rend at the same time

Evade gives 3-6 shadows, rend direct cast gives 3-6 too

If clear wont be that great can add multishot anyway

Or dive

Or bladestorm shurikens even on rend

But choosing mastery is a pain

Bd looks slightly better than others, but the question if perfection and melee leech will work with the melee part of bow rend from tabi is unanswered

For falconer the question is if it's possible to crit cap shadow dive with doppel shadow flat crit, because shadow falcon crit inherits 50% of your global, but is also a shadow, I can see it going both ways. Also no leech for falconer

Mm is the safest one but will lesser amount of benefits imo. Bow leech will work for sure but that's about it

I guess I can leech with avarice gloves since I'm converting to lightning anyway

Or blood roost on falconer for more sustain

[pine hatch]

Well the DS setup is using blade shield already

[zenith bridge]

what i wanted to ask you in your planner, why did you spec into blade shield and deadly aim?

in your arena run

[pine hatch]

Must be a mistake because I was testing other stuff

Then went to arena forgot to change

[wary cedar]

do we have any traversal shadow rend builds?

[rugged pollen]

im waiting to test first

if im not missing something rend will be the first traversal skill with charges in the game

need to see how that interacts with traversal cooldown reduction

and with other traversal

[wary cedar]

at least without any uniques to provide that extra charge

[rugged pollen]

oh shit you're right

we have shift with bow

can use that to test

[sage canyon]

What i dont get is that how is clear speed on that setup. U only have small area ariund you with blade shields and just jumping around with ds

[eager mason]

wait they nerfed it again?

[wary cedar]

i m to lazy to test 😔

[rugged pollen]

im booting the game rn

shouldnt take too much time

low expectation tho

[wary cedar]

shadow rend travesal build where you dash of the entire map should be so fun lmao

but depends all on the dmg output

[rugged pollen]

i mean

we already have shift cascading doing exactly that

[wary cedar]

but only with one travesal, rend got the extra charge

[rugged pollen]

charge doesnt matter if your cooldown is low enough

im trying to test what's the behavior

if let's say i have rend with 2 charge, 1 charge on cd

[wary cedar]

hm i never went far with cascade build lol

[rugged pollen]

will shfit then be offcd or not

[wary cedar]

my best build where i played the most hence best items was heartseeker

[pine hatch]

Well the clear speed was just average tbh but now with new DS I think it will improve alot also I'm gonna spam Blade Strom I think the clear speed should be faster and feels alot better

[wary cedar]

according to genereal videogame logic once one charge is used the cd starts no?

[rugged pollen]

yeah i think that would be the case

but can never be sure with how EHG codes the game

[wary cedar]

[rugged pollen]

yup

all traversal skills are grouped up into 1

if you use any of them the cd restart for all

but the remaining cd will be of the one that u used

[sage canyon]

Ye will be a dillema if you wanna soam ds or shurikens on bosses lol probably both. Im gonna test how shadows work with balde suield too

[pine hatch]

Your shadows will throw shurikens in a cone

While you have blade sheild

[eager mason]

did they say how shadow consume on the helmet works yet

[sage canyon]

Brb maybe joemmoma knows

[eager mason]

:Stare:

[sage canyon]

:kekw:

[eager mason]

any cooks misha

[sage canyon]

ill poke if i find smth, was doing other classes first warlock giga insane if u wanna test play the updated version of veill lock when volca posts it, we GIGA cooked. abom buffed hahah as always even tho % was nerfed, items carry. will get to rogue soon

need to think abt cascade, idk if nerfed brutality will be worth

ig it would be nice with some minimal investment

hail of arrows seems unchanged, idols pog but build overal same

[eager mason]

indirect cascade is not really buffed or is it me

[sage canyon]

u get more shadows?

🤔

[eager mason]

items nerfed, imprints nerfed -30% from one of the nodes

idols nerfed

so feel like it same damage

but ofc we dont know how common good corruptions are

[sage canyon]

idk if we go 1x2 anymore will try to play around

[eager mason]

4x1 had 9 pen while using dagger

dont know if it is the same

maybe go the 4 4x1 altar

[sage canyon]

also which items? i think only shattered chains and now we can go frenzy belt+exhang

MONKA

[eager mason]

I was thinking frenzy belt for zhp too

[sage canyon]

ya

[eager mason]

you can do crazy damage with frenzy belt flow lethal mirage

but Im too bad at that 10 part combo stuff

also you can get so many shadows for it too

brutality too

[sage canyon]

wait what 10 combo stat?

[eager mason]

I mean like you apply bleeds and stuff you get the shadows, you shift for the more damage and guarantee crit

then you lm or something

Im sure I missed some stuff

[sage canyon]

oh sorry i misunderstood tot u were talking abt casc

im really thinking abt mirage also cause

MEGA CLUNK MASTER

[eager mason]

yeah Im waiting a one shot vid from you

I was gonna do uber rush with it but I dont wanna bother with this, also probably not enough damage at 1lp

[sage canyon]

kekw, the skill wasnt that goo q.q i wonder if this more dmg will work for SD it should?

[eager mason]

hmm probably not

[crimson latch]

is this viable with a shadow thingy ?

[rugged pollen]

it's basically 1/6 chance to dodge

if you can reach 100%

not as good as you'd think

[sage canyon]

also this kinda stonks for my ver of ds/cascade, need testing but in theory now every SC will have 4 shadows not 3 with ds spam

mana is monka tho lol

[pine hatch]

If you take this node

[eager mason]

oh dancing also has movement tag right

I forgot about that

[sage canyon]

ye

[pine hatch]

You can't have perfect choreo

[sage canyon]

wdym

oh

the dps node

[pine hatch]

Mana cost too much

Even they changed from 5 to 3

[eager mason]

oh nvm this is traversal

[pine hatch]

Still hard to manage but shadow steps is very op

[sage canyon]

also i wonder if this works with shadows, i was thinking creating many shadows then manual shurikens and gg

🤔

probably not

but also isnt shadows inherit all multipliers

if so sync strike shurikens are stupid op

u go ds 1-2 to proc shurikens, sync strike and then shurikens manuallly

x.x

then ds 3-4, sync and shurikens

xdd

[rugged pollen]

what's special about that i dont get it

you're talkbing about baldeshield specicifially right

[sage canyon]

cause your manual cast of shurikens will get 100% more multy and will be cast with all shadows from sync strike

balde shield is additional dps but main dps will be from shadows throwing shurikens

[rugged pollen]

yeah but that's how ppl play shuriken builds

[sage canyon]

potao did that build

[rugged pollen]

since birth of shuriken no?

[eager mason]

ofc if they entered the right number this time xdd

[sage canyon]

ye so the question is if the flow bonus will work for shadows

[rugged pollen]

oooh

you mean with flow

[sage canyon]

yep the idea is to pace old setup with roatation

to abuse double dmg on ever big shuriken use

[rugged pollen]

🤔

[sage canyon]

and also get ds buffs

[eager mason]

test it with current flow maybe

[rugged pollen]

that's sounds a lil clunky to me ngl

[eager mason]

with 0 inc

[rugged pollen]

the time that you use to do all that

maybe just sync>shuriken like 2 times

[sage canyon]

just macro 💀 xdd gaming

[rugged pollen]

or 3

do the same no?

[sage canyon]

maybe ye

[rugged pollen]

i mean the time it'd take for you to do all that

it sounds cool dont get me wrong

but at the same time

[sage canyon]

im getting cancer just thinking abt it but will try idk

[rugged pollen]

jumping through hoops to do the same thing

[sage canyon]

ill ask devs 10 times instead

[eager mason]

:LO:

[sage canyon]

ye that might be more , hate that the rotation will break if you use shift or anything else tho

[rugged pollen]

im trying to do the same thing

but with sync, shift, rend as cascade

[sage canyon]

they shouldve limit flow to onl;y certain skills

i mean if this works for shadows then i dont think its worth playing ds at all, even on cascade you would just spam sync->cascade manually

and get big deeps

[rugged pollen]

u need unique skills no?

[sage canyon]

oh wait u right ok

then saved

DS clunK

[rugged pollen]

DS is uqunie case because each of its steps are considered 1 unique thing

[eager mason]

is ds even clunk anymore

[rugged pollen]

this is the question

without the cooldown idk how it would behave

[sage canyon]

no i mean clunk as button rotaion lmfao

[eager mason]

I remember watching the wander ds vid

him explaining his 6 part combo

[sage canyon]

ill try then ditch rythm alltogether, go arena + shadow on 2nd attack and just do 1-2ds for shadow sync, manual cascade with 100% more dmg 2 rythm stacks arena buff and 4 shadows

HOOOLY

just need to make sure we will have enough speed to fit in all 4 abilities into 1 sync cd window

[rugged pollen]

yeah

then u forgot for 1 second

ds 3 times before sync

bam

[sage canyon]

naaa bra

[rugged pollen]

do all of that over again

[sage canyon]

kkekekeke

i mean im playing ehg VISION

😭 🥺

leave me alone

[rugged pollen]

i've been there

[eager mason]

do I even start cooking lvling

or just wait until terek vid

[sage canyon]

if it all works holy , 6 cascades instead of 4 and with double dmg

😅

xdd gaming

[eager mason]

holy

[sage canyon]

and im never pressing shift or evade to not fck up combo im just gonna...equip stonefists and permastun uber

also have u guys messed around bladestorm it looks so dog

support skill it seems

[eager mason]

not yet but I think Im lvling with it

[sage canyon]

ye it seems great for lvling but tree has no multipliers

so when u get to emp...

kinda monka

[eager mason]

you can do it with flow too

umbral 3 times

then release the bladestorms

[sage canyon]

LOL

0*2=0

🤣

[eager mason]

yeah I havent done math on it so :xdd:

as long as it gets me to 500c decently fast Im fine

[pine hatch]

I think bladestrom shuriken should be good

[sage canyon]

ye i was thinking same

make some shuriken version and if it has free slot just put bs there

its not big dps boost but honest work

[pine hatch]

Shuriken get buffed from DS also you are hitting them with bladeshield

[sage canyon]

ye for DS its actually big cause you dont spam manually as much

also WTF did they do with flask q.q

pepehands

10% chance

[eager mason]

...

[sage canyon]

will ANYONE even play traps in any build now, DA proc is bad, flask proc is bad, skill does no dmg

whats the logic there

[pine hatch]

Well I mean enough already we all had fun

[sage canyon]

oh wait

[eager mason]

evade

[sage canyon]

i just get triggered when something is obviously stupid

liek they couldve made it 50-70% see how it plays and then act accordingly

[pine hatch]

🤣

[eager mason]

its not a casual skill

so they just kill it

who cares

[sage canyon]

yee reddit complained too much sorry i forgot target audience

🥱

[pine hatch]

Some ppl planning to play acid this season

Bad luck

[sage canyon]

ye i saw one guy already making queen bee build with flask

:xddddddd:

not joking btw

bee idols on flask xdd quen bee set

idk

FANTASY builds like ehg wanted

[pine hatch]

Hmm

[sage canyon]

i liek that they added cor ladder

seems very nice for sc

finally

might be playing online this season IDK

🤣

[pine hatch]

Did they nerf ballista yet

[sage canyon]

no

[zenith bridge]

WAIT WHAT? 🤣

[sage canyon]

u didnt see?

wait

ill show

[zenith bridge]

no i meant that you will play online 😉

[pine hatch]

Lol

[eager mason]

no way

[zenith bridge]

i think the corruption ladder is gonna be more interesting for hc, no?

[sage canyon]

@zenith bridge

[zenith bridge]

sc is just...whoever plays longer

[eager mason]

yeah I mean who cares about sc corruption ladder

its like poe delve

just who can sink more time of their life

[sage canyon]

its more about builds, not many can push past 3k on trash build unless you make a bot play for u

[rugged pollen]

i know at least 1 person will care abt that

[pine hatch]

Hahaha

[sage canyon]

now we can see most op builds and yoink

xdd

[zenith bridge]

it is, but once you have a strong mechanical build like ballista, the player with more playtime wins

[rugged pollen]

bbbbut it's not a competition

it's a single player game

[sage canyon]

oh ofc idc about ladder itself, i was thinkiing playing Lock lmfao not even competing with ballista. but ladder can be sorted by class so there is competition in each class/masetry

[rugged pollen]

have you seen the warpath guy with 100k corruption

🤣

[sage canyon]

no

lmfao

show

[rugged pollen]

im surprised

the kind of torture ppl wil endure

[eager mason]

I have seen like 30k vid

[sage canyon]

i mean im not surprised skill has mega aoe and mobility

[eager mason]

did he get to 100k

[rugged pollen]

[pine hatch]

Who the swapping gears dude?

[rugged pollen]

yes he did

[pine hatch]

Shet

[rugged pollen]

and i once think kartal with his "dying 20 times per 2 minutes" is as bad as it gets

how naive

[sage canyon]

ok found it

i think he will have much easier this patch

warpath giga buff soo

[rugged pollen]

less gear slots to swap?

[sage canyon]

ye and way more dmg brutality stacking frenzy belt u can go nuts dps

full zhp

[eager mason]

vk gear is usually all 1 lp too

you just run around with billion corruptions

[sage canyon]

the main danger of that in high corruption is when u get flacid but ehg fixed it with capped scaling

so now u perma max size with void well

[rugged pollen]

but the new max will be much worse than the old max no?

i mean damage wise

[sage canyon]

nope u just go 5/5 in warriros fury not 1/5

xd

like that guy and pretty much everyone were playinf 1/5 fury node cause they wanted to spin for 40 seconds

with 5/5 you would spin less but way more dmg, before it was uncpaped so 5/5 was mega mana drain but now is fine

tho that guy is cheesing confluence echo for cor lol

[eager mason]

all of them are

did they fix it I didnt read bug fixes

[plush maple]

The problem is stacking both Brutality and Mana in considerable amounts now that imprints got nerfed hard to get double t7.

[sage canyon]

thats not an issue for guys who have time to push 30k cor

🙂

[lime folio]

Not yet, but we had someone explained it to the devs yesterday and they seemed interested to fix it before next week

[flint turret]

okay. new idea for bow rend on mm:
we use rend in rotation with shuriken which will give us 100% lightning pen. We make rend manacost of 33 using passives and get 33% more damage for it. single cast of shurikens will give is 15+8 mana back (23 total) and rend consuming first shadow will give us +6 back, so from the rotation of rend-shuri we are 33-23 = 10 mana down which is fine i guess? rotating betweem shuri and remd also allows us to have elemental arrow for each rend attack, and we also use black arrows to get more damage for rend. Also with shuri casts and trap attach on melee hit (from tabi rend) we take care of armor shred and lightning shred and shock and chill
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6P4bn8G

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (23) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (75) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,856, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 197.41, Regen: 12.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 121 Dex / 32 Int / 32 Att / 40 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 88% / 72% / 92% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 70%, Threshold: 1,548
▸ Dodge Chance: 66% (3243)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (708)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 133%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Shurikens / Explosive Trap

[flint turret]

tbh im not entirely sold on black arrows and traps but i dunno what 2 skills to add to smoke-shuri rend

also im thinking about coated blades for rend

but so far not many ideas how to sustain it

[wary cedar]

maybe respecing smoke back to non traversal and then use shift with umbral glaves?

[flint turret]

wait did they nerf weaver affixes? i missed it

resistances in particular

is it just letools bug?

i cant find anything about it in patchnotes

[flint turret]

okay thats actually not bad. i can use both damage bonus from flow because umbrals is a combo attack and damage bonuses for the next cast from shift, and disabling recalls to only traversal my 2 next attacks cost 0 mana shich will also give me 25 mana per cast of umbrals after the first one

big tech for 1 big hit

also recalled umbrals will create some shadows

[wary cedar]

i feel like the stupid kid in class that just by accident said something smart lmao

[crimson latch]

i made a multshot red build i hope it works

[flint turret]

well this is a different type of a gameplay tho

[crimson latch]

from fantasy xd

[flint turret]

its a 5-skill combo with a setup

rather than 2-skill spam

[wary cedar]

do you know what way shadow rend traversal could be viabale?

[flint turret]

yes

[wary cedar]

how so? 👉 👈

[flint turret]

altready made 2 planners for it

[wary cedar]

mind sharing it again?

[flint turret]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzWK07N

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (78) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,120, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 225.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 83 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 88% / 72% / 77% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,539
▸ Dodge Chance: 71% (4038)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (860)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 133%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Synchronized Strike / Dancing Strikes

[flint turret]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxw4pq7

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (27) / Falconer (64)

General:

▸ Health: 3,161, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 225.51, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 96 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 88% / 72% / 77% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 1,672
▸ Dodge Chance: 72% (4170)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,522)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 133%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 105%

Used skills:

Dive Bomb / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Synchronized Strike / Falconry

[wary cedar]

thankies

[flint turret]

take it with a grain if salt as those are first drafts but the concept on paper is decent

0 cd traversal rend that summons 5 shadows each cast

and thise either get consumed for more rend damage or they cast cascade and resummon shadows

[wary cedar]

how are it 5? what am i missing

i see 1 one rend, 2 from set

[flint turret]

oh wait is it 4

[wary cedar]

so you evade once for the 4th?

[flint turret]

yeah sorry its 4

traversal bonus from set is 2, and tabi boots give rend an extra shadow

its behaviour tho is unclear

[wary cedar]

so gameplay would be rend - rend - rend - rend
and occasionally sync strike?

[flint turret]

and yeah you also have a smoke bomb out which is 1 shadow per second and evade

so lots of shadows

[flint turret]

im kinda torn between two right now

[wary cedar]

ya i missed that the boots give one extra shadow.
my first plan was rend with sync, but for me it was 3 shadows into 4 shadows, kinda whanky, but the boots fixes this

[flint turret]

for mono skipping its just rend rend rend i guess while gushing potions

for bosses its probably ds into sync into rend

or we can sync-rend-sync as well

sync summons 4, rend consumes 4 for cascade, summons another 4, then sync again, which also consumes 4 to casca cascade and so on

[wary cedar]

what about using cascade manually inbetween? is no good?

[crimson latch]

so we have lot new builds isnt?

for rogue

[flint turret]

i dont see any reason tbh, because both sync and rend can already trigger it

[wary cedar]

hmmkay, at the end it comes down how it feels i think xd
i ll defnitly try a build something like this, just fits my fiction of a rouge the best xd

[flint turret]

im not sure about dancing strikes, but they can be good combined with rend because of new flow mechanics but that would need to respec rend into 1 big hit with shaow consume

[flint turret]

yeah so far a lot of things unclear, both mechanics and the feel of it

but numbers are there

[wary cedar]

lot of things will be figured out on the way i guess

but having that first idea is good to have for the start

[distant birch]

Seems like it's an actual change - you can find updates to suffixes here
https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/version/version140/changes/suffixes
This is based on the latest build that I received today, maybe there will be other changes before patch is released though.

[flint turret]

daaaam, that sucks, but thanks

no mention in patch notes ninja nerf

halving res on idols is pretty big change to sweep under the rug

[night spruce]

Hey ragu, whats your thoughts on shadow rend and changes to dancing strikes?

@flint turret

[flint turret]

for dancing we need a showcase of the difference between 1.3 and 1.4, hard to tell currently outside of its getting buffed and that it can converted to fire which is great

rend seems great, tons of cool nodes, can be played on all 3 masteries, mas melee and bow, both seem viable. Will make even multishot viable, overall cool

[night spruce]

have you made any planners for either?

im a bit late to the party

[flint turret]

yeah im in the process of making some

ill link you im dms dont want to spam the same ones here

[night spruce]

feel free to send some stuff my way, was going to ask you as the resident rogue subject matter expert xD

[flint turret]

rend opens up too many possibilities to solve them all

[crimson latch]

Im kind noob... but thank to rend multshot got a buff because of shadow mechanic and stuff? pleae dont judge me

[flint turret]

yeah rend multishot is defiletly a viable build

now idol layouts help a lot too

[visual warren]

why you transforming rend into a traversal skill?

[flint turret]

you get 4 of theese or 1+1 of 3x1 with same stats with discord

[flint turret]

to have a 0 cd traversal that also clears?

[visual warren]

how you achieving 0 cd?

[flint turret]

belt

[visual warren]

flask spammer build?

[flint turret]

more or less

clearing echoes fast is as important as ever with new echo chains

this should probably work okay

[earnest moth]

Is there a early game/levelling variant? Or will you go a different build?

[flint turret]

ill try to level with rend but i havent thought much about it, ill just go with the flow

i dont even know yet which mastery to go for, all 3 have great rend support

[earnest moth]

Main scaling tags early would just be for physical and bow?

[flint turret]

shadow daggers is somewhat an option too

2 sd stacks from 1 hit in big aoe is not that bad, but could have been better

[earnest moth]

Is the UB levelling for rogue now completely dead?

[flint turret]

we have bladestorm now

even earlier

[earnest moth]

Is that still looking to proc Shadow daggers?

[flint turret]

yeah i think it would be okay with SD

the big difference is that you no longer require a dagger

you can just play bladestorm SD with a 2-hander

maybe thats what ill do, having traversal rend that launches bladestorm with 2h for leveling

[crimson latch]

but we aim for convert dex to guile?

[polar saffron]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6XMkR8 ok so here's a real build (bleed bladestorm/shuriken/umbral blades)

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (25) / Bladedancer (73) / Marksman (10) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,602, Regen: 93.6/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 65 Dex / 6 Int / 6 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 119% / 80% / 80% / 111% / 87% / 80% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 520
▸ Dodge Chance: 15% (506)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (673)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 10%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 40%

Used skills:

Bladestorm / Shurikens / Umbral Blades / Shift / Smoke Bomb

[flint turret]

dunno, maybe

loosing dodge from dex is not a big deal with doppel helm affix

@zenith bridge isnt your recall umbral blade build is just insane now? with the new flow your recall will get 100% more damage each time on top of umbrals creating shadows now

maybe i actually should level with it even

tons of ward on recall too

flat crit nodes for easy cap

[zenith bridge]

yeah but now i need 35-38 skill levels for UB 🙂

[flint turret]

dam

[iron crane]

is Dancing strikes Bladedancer still viable next season?

[flint turret]

28 seems fine no?

[zenith bridge]

I can't play the build without precicion cuts, especially when you move towards the bottom of the screen, you want your blades to go off screen

[flint turret]

ahhh right they changed it

[zenith bridge]

the extra crit multi is probably not needed, and i can leave 3 points out of Dawnfall

so still possible with 30 points to comfortably gear around

[flint turret]

we can live without ward on recall maybe

[zenith bridge]

yep, especially in sc

[flint turret]

27

if we get relic +4 we can get ward

[zenith bridge]

1 out of Cut and Leave and 1 point into Soul thief

[flint turret]

yeah just did already

so with 27 its fine more or less

add +2 on relic and thats 3\4 into ward

[zenith bridge]

the extra 2 blades every 2 second you will feel on longer boss fights, but also something you could drop yea

[flint turret]

or that

[zenith bridge]

but yea i would go with the tree you posted now

[flint turret]

thats noit bad, you need velo+tongue+ammy+ and thata already 28

or +2 on relic and discord instead of velo

[zenith bridge]

yea net, dive bomb, and falconry dont need that many points, its just extra qol

from the + 4 dex skills

and smoke bomb is not included anyways

for whatever reason

[flint turret]

flow chanhe is so huge for lots of things

[finite arch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKgDeWD0 some1 made this?

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (35) / Bladedancer (78)

General:

▸ Health: 2,777, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 240.51, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 74 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 37 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 80% / 66% / 78% / 98% / 79% / 108%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 555
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (620)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,950)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 10%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Shadow Rend / Shadow Cascade / Synchronized Strike / Shift / Umbral Blades

This build has a guide:

Rogue Bladedancer Infinite Shadow Loop! Shadow Rend & Shadow Cascade Build Guide #Lastepoch by Max Pita

[finite arch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAvSujYy1dg

[flint turret]

how times change, from no-green to all-green

[finite arch]

yup

[blazing locust]

what is turning out a good build so far fellas

[flint turret]

basically everything is

rend, bladestorm shuri, cascade, umbrals, even lm got buffed

dancing might be decent too depending on how the feel now, we had no showcase yet

[crimson latch]

and we can seal set affixes to replace for something else but i guess thats endgame farm

[flint turret]

tbh id rather be corrupting set items over crafting exalted sets

set items have a tiny corruption affix pool

[polar saffron]

im probably gonna play bleed bladestorm

[finite arch]

man idk what build to go lol

[polar saffron]

seems like the most consistent damage

[crimson latch]

i love that there is so many options hehe

[eager mason]

they want you to go through the pain of enchanting your idols

they didnt even add any enchant QoL did they

[flint turret]

how is it connected to each other

only stouts were nerfed

[eager mason]

nope

2x1s too

[flint turret]

its still 9 -12

[eager mason]

yeah 1x1s are same for idk why

[flint turret]

i never farmed pen idols so whatever

[flint turret]

1-2 is a joke tbh

[eager mason]

these were 23 or something I think

[flint turret]

yep

now its small ones all the way

[eager mason]

yeah idk why they are not nerfed

maybe because you need more of those

[flint turret]

okay my first rend multishot planner, thoughts? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJW4vdGm

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (31) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (61) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,625, Regen: 35.36/s
▸ Mana: 153.52, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 116 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 50 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 85% / 71% / 72% / 71% / 102% / 107%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 999
▸ Dodge Chance: 55% (2224)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (896)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Rend / Multishot / Heartseeker

[eager mason]

idk much about mm but

[flint turret]

i dont like the black arrows in particular but at they gibe shadows and shrouds i guess

[eager mason]

what happened to hydra plan

[flint turret]

not with multishot i dont think

[eager mason]

oh I guess this is multishot

yeah

[flint turret]

hydra rend is interesting

[eager mason]

dont you want 4 multishot idols

[flint turret]

i have 4 basically with discord

but i think crit multi is better at this point

helm t7 multishot already

this can be swapped to multishot as well i didnt math it out tbh

[eager mason]

capped res with not many affixes nice

discord helps a lot

[flint turret]

i can get 10 endu and 5 all res in BD passives as well and swap to jungle queen but not sure if worth

im not getting many bd passives

but shadow damage isnt terrible or dex

[eager mason]

not the most efficient but ms is always nice

what are you gonna cut tho

[flint turret]

im not sure about guile too

do i really need it

[eager mason]

I dont like skipping these on any character ngl

[flint turret]

i guess i can cur phys shred

its like half of my damage anyway

and avoidance\multi ill have blind anyway

[eager mason]

how many shrouds do you run around with

[flint turret]

i actually have no idea

i swapped out doppel helm to get ravager

with doppel i think 20+ easy

[eager mason]

I mean dont you also get a lot from hs

[flint turret]

but without ravager i have no idea what skills to add. outside of rend\smoke\multishot other skills do nothing

i thout about going falconer for this reason

can add falconry and dive

but the passive tree is way worse for multishot

and i will loose shred

i guess i can get shred on idol

[eager mason]

you can skip helm and numlock heartseeker with cd :Xdd: but I dont think you like that stuff

[flint turret]

not that much, but probably something around 60 fire flat and 5 dusk

doppel would give like 20 dusk

[flint turret]

how, its still a bow attack i need to cast

instead of spamming rend

but it can make sense i guess, i can take sapping strikes and mana on recurve... but how do i spend so much mana

maybe falconer with doppel is the play

-90 bow flat tho and tons of AS

[eager mason]

from my planners of other skills if you are already building cd you dont really need guile

unless you need like a specific cd

[flint turret]

smoke is super good to have in this on as low cd as possible but since im not using t7 cds already yeah it doesnt make much sense to get guile i guess

just getting t7 makes more sense probably if i need it that bad

[eager mason]

you are gonna run around with so little armor if you go guile

I dont think its implemented on planner yet

[flint turret]

yeah thats problematic since i swapped out doppel

[flint turret]

i gues guile only with doppel

what about rampancy tho

[eager mason]

was that frenzy

[flint turret]

too much hp loss i guess

yeah

[eager mason]

yeah I wouldnt go lower than 3k hp

you pray that you hit normal affixes on the amulet I guess

[plush rune]

being rogue is rough, meanwhile my plans over at druid

[eager mason]

mana regen might be ok

[eager mason]

yeah thats why we were mad about guile

you already get so little

and its not even an affix you can really offset

[plush rune]

my issue is more that the cdr is too small to justify it at all

[eager mason]

like some of the other

[eager mason]

yeah

[plush rune]

i'd be fine with losing armour but what 0.3% per point was it?

[eager mason]

and we already have so much cdr that diminishing returns makes it shit

[plush rune]

that's 100 for 30% cdr only to movement skills

[flint turret]

yeah using belt affix for potions traversal makes much more sense in case of desperate need of traversal cdr

that should be pretty awesome for traversal rend with doppel triggering cascades which i already did plan

[eager mason]

sad that you have to run these on frost