🔪┃rogue

[lime folio]

🧑‍🍳

[zenith bridge]

i think they only removed quest echoes in empowered?

[eager mason]

yeah thats what I thought

[bold brook]

would it be a dumb idea to play fire cascade with the helmet but not use the sword the set bonus?

basically just playing normal cascade but using throne of ambition and maybe wings of argentus

[eager mason]

they say they removed optional ones

[flint turret]

but how do i get bow flat damage without mourningfrost tho

[terse jolt]

I think there is a node in one of the skills that can give more than 40%

[eager mason]

I guess the normal mono ones are not optional

[terse jolt]

would that means infinite shadows?

this rogue hopes "yes"

But maybe the skill % resummon and the set one will be seperate

[flint turret]

it definetly wouldnt, this helm is crazy just because of throne alone

[lime folio]

well, we know 60% from rend and 20% from umbral blades
dont think you could combo the odds from 2 skills together
however, we already have at least 26% from set relic
so 86% to resummon shadows on rend is a sure thing

if that matters to you

[flint turret]

and reen

40% more damage from throne and 300% inc damage from reen just by using the set helm

casacde gonna be so broken

have no idea why they even buffing damage eff

[bold brook]

was excited to play doppleganger, but might have to play fire instead now

[lime folio]

i think you meant
it will receive a well-deserved buff because the snapshotting bug is getting fixed

[flint turret]

that bug didnt affect the dps in the slightest

[lime folio]

i know, i was making a joke

[rugged pollen]

snapshot barely matters lol

[flint turret]

it only made 1 hit from shift bigger

[eager mason]

cant you run both

[flint turret]

well and non sync dancing strikes cascade too but whatever

[lime folio]

well, you cant run both helm, at least

[eager mason]

entwined

[flint turret]

you cant shadow consume is a helm affix too

either convert or consume

[eager mason]

yeah I mean you run body relic and entwined

[terse jolt]

going to go doppleganger

[flint turret]

and as good as consume sounds, convert blows it out of the water easily

[eager mason]

and get new helm

[terse jolt]

I can do fire later

I was originally going to do a lightning build finally

but oh well

[eager mason]

if you want the shadows

[terse jolt]

...I could also just do all three

over 3 rogues

one DS+cascade, one Random Shadows Go!, and the last some lightning build

[bold brook]

unsure if doppleganger is really worth it without the dusk shrouds from shadows on the helm

giving up unique body armor + relic is a rather large opportunity cost for +2 shadows on shift

[eager mason]

sure

@flint turret what if we use this to stay low health with the shadow helm

its so low tho

Sadge

[lime folio]

the proper stats are there now

[zenith bridge]

The helmet alone already has so many good stats

Kinda curious what the set affix is gonna be, because we cant miss out on rogue affixes, they are too strong

[flint turret]

boys we are witnessing wings of argentus on rogue becoming non meme

[eager mason]

they buffed lpl too

[flint turret]

the prophets from even pre 0.9 were right

using both dancing and sync counts as you moving right?

[bold brook]

pretty sure ya

[flint turret]

huge upgrades for cascade

[bold brook]

I think sync might have a bit at the start/end where you aren't, but I might be wrong

[zenith bridge]

ds yes, sync i dont think so

[flint turret]

sync has a movement tag so it should right?

[bold brook]

during the moving part it def should, but theres that bit of end lag ya?

[zenith bridge]

fair point, i thought because its a simple jumping animation

[bold brook]

regardless the dr from argentus still works the majority of the time

[flint turret]

yeah and +2 and inc damage is huge

now the quastion is what primo for fire cascade

[eager mason]

you might be able to test with mountain boots

[flint turret]

i guess the reliquary nest?

[zenith bridge]

with the buffs to idols, yep

[bold brook]

might still just run blossom tbh, even without null portent

its just so nice

[flint turret]

dagger can also work if set idol

[zenith bridge]

i aaaalways forget about the amu, so good on rogue

[flint turret]

chance to recreate shadows for cascade is basically "more" damage too

[bold brook]

ya doppleganger relic alone not bad

[eager mason]

this is getting buffed right?

[flint turret]

to 2 per second cap

still terrible

[eager mason]

so 6 per second

with sword

you dont reach the 40 stacks unless you use dancing strikes

[flint turret]

or hs

[eager mason]

so do I just ignore it

[flint turret]

i guess

unless you wanna craft t8 sword

[eager mason]

160% inc aoe sounds so good but

[flint turret]

but i dont see it worth... aoe increase for fire skills is interesting but cascade already has lots of increase

[eager mason]

probably dont need it

[flint turret]

id gladly use it with throwing hs tho but its impossible

[eager mason]

yeah

maybe they add some other triggers

[zenith bridge]

Normal mono still has quest echoes

[pulsar solar]

Still disappointed:/ I want shadow cascade lightning…

[flint turret]

new skills might have some

nah bro fire is perfect

[eager mason]

xdd

forgot about cinder

[bold brook]

lightning cascade sounds really cool, but what synergy would there be?

fire has way more I think

[pulsar solar]

LM

[bold brook]

LM makes me snooze tbh lmao

[eager mason]

there is no way to trigger cinder right?

I have to cast this

[flint turret]

only cold would have been better probably than fire

[desert bridge]

Cinder strike has no cap on the amount of fire daggers it can throw

[polar saffron]

the bow

[pulsar solar]

Would be cool if we got more lightning uniques

[polar saffron]

theres a bow that procs cinder strike but idr what its called

[desert bridge]

AND cinder strikes has oil coating, which adds 5 throwing damage per stack

[polar saffron]

other option is unarmed cinder strike falconer shenanigans but i dont think the cinder strike melee damage transfers to flaming daggers

[zenith bridge]

only when you press evade while wearing Hydra bow 🙂

[pulsar solar]

Burning dagger can be cast from shadows hmmm

[eager mason]

oh I forgot this is dot not hit

[flint turret]

okay serious question:
if i convert dancing to fire and use embers.... how wisps will repeat my attacks? if i have create shadow on 2nd strike and cascade on first, do they always copy first or they can copy any?

thoughts?

[flint turret]

oh dam me too

[desert bridge]

I woudln't do unarmed because the sword is great and Reen's Ire is also great for this

Plus you want to get tons of attack speed on weapons anyway

[eager mason]

well good for your ignite build I guess

[flint turret]

it is but im having a hard time imagining how dancing embers work together

[zenith bridge]

actually a very good question

[eager mason]

the strat with the amulet is acting like wisps doesnt exist

cant trust ehg

[flint turret]

i mean if wisps always copy the first attack

and we have cascade on first

[zenith bridge]

i think it simply doesnt work on DS

[flint turret]

isnt it good

[flint turret]

bro why are you doing this to me

[zenith bridge]

Ask the devs, i'm super interested in it aswell.

Do wisps also throw a decoy?

man guys, please stop giving me all these crazy ideas 🤣 already waaayy too many builds i wanna play...and patch notes arent even out yet.

[flint turret]

i did, waiting for an answer, tbh i doubt anyone tested

honestly if rend gets at least some additional good nodes i can totally see myself spamming rend instead of sync for cascade trigger with new boots

yes its 2 shadows instead of 4, but they have 60% chance to resummon and they both hit with rend too

and its way less mana being 20 instead of 60 or whatever

[bold brook]

the resummon chance is based on distance from you, so its likely a bit less than that

but there is a play there for sure if there are some more good nodes

[flint turret]

true, but boots suggest there will be a distance between you and them anyway

might not be 60 but 40 is still a lot

[bold brook]

ye, and the dot protection on boots looks really nice

missing army of skin more damage the high health tho

[flint turret]

loosig tons of more damage to high health hurts tho

but removing mana sustain issues from sync should feel good

[bold brook]

especially when with throne probably limiting the amount of sync strike mana cost idols we can take

[flint turret]

with 20 manacost making 2 shadows and then resummoming them, and each cascade giving back 6 mana instead of 5 should make it pretty spammable

we losee crimsons from sync and 200% shadow damage tho

and a bit of AS

good rend nodes needed to compete

[eager mason]

bro Im already overwhelmed

and patch notes arent out

[slow sierra]

It only makes 1 shadow as the off wep is consumed

[flint turret]

yeah today reveals go hard

[desert bridge]

Cant you just get crimsons from the passive tree?

[flint turret]

you are right, but they have a pretty big delay before attacking... will need to see how it functions

[bold brook]

not consistently like sync does

[zenith sequoia]

felt

[flint turret]

i was waiting\expecting for a fire conversion for one of the 3 new skills but ehg got me good

fire cascade was the last thing i would expect tbh

for umbrals or bladestorm it would make sense because they had umbral explosion which was 50% fire

[desert bridge]

I wouldn't use Wisps just because I'd rather use the new amulet that gets flat crit, which will apply to throwing attacks. And then you can use Legends Entwined with Abandoned Amulet, Kuzon Sword, and Doppelganger helm/chest

[flint turret]

i dont think i need crit for ignite

maybe i do a bit for reen stacks

but without proliferation i wouldnt play ignite probably

[desert bridge]

IDK how the proliferation will feel in this season, Wildfire is definitely on my list of things to try. Last season it was... not great

But got a lot of fixes

[flint turret]

it was not great for super fast hits but it was decent for big hits, thats why i had cascade ignite marinating for 2 seasons already

it should work okay, cascade has tons of more multies, even more so with throwing

[desert bridge]

But you want fast hits for ignite?

[flint turret]

i do ofc, but its not like hs where its tons of hit on 1 target and prolif is bad

cascade hits have huge aoe

[desert bridge]

yeah, fair

I want to try phys cascade with doppelganger

And just go for big crits when you shift and consume 3 shadows instantly for 4 cascades

[flint turret]

from this point on id only play fire kekw

[desert bridge]

Why specifically?

Just for Reen?

[flint turret]

throne

[bold brook]

throne and wings

[desert bridge]

ahh, yeah that makes sense

[flint turret]

wings too but discord still might be better

especially with new idols

[bold brook]

oh ya, forgot about discord

mmmm

[desert bridge]

New idols are definitely gonna be interesting.

[flint turret]

or relic

and fire pen is easier to get than phys imo

on the downside, armor shred is less effective

[bold brook]

whats the set shard for kuzon helm you think? obv the conversion but you think its +cascade or the blind, or throwing fire dmg i guess

[desert bridge]

I suppose there isn't really a reason I couldn't do it fire instead of phys

It's gonna be dusk shroud on hit and health gain on shadow create, I bet

[flint turret]

blind prob

[flint turret]

there is, doppelganger helm shadow consume, its giga huge

we now have 2 routes, either op defences with doppelganger helm or op offence with throne

[desert bridge]

Legends Entwined with Doppelganger chest/relic 🤔

Then just use Kuzon helm

[bold brook]

you cant use 2 helms lmao

[flint turret]

shadow consume is helm exclusive

[desert bridge]

Chest+relic, sorry

[bold brook]

shrouds come from doppleganger helm

[flint turret]

set doesnt matter really

[desert bridge]

oh, I guess that's fair. The consume for shrouds is pretty nutty

Also the bladedancer mastery is 15 phys, which sucks if you convert

[flint turret]

hmmmmmmmm

[desert bridge]

Also with phys, you can use the Jormun's set

[flint turret]

actually fire conversion might be interesting for ll

[desert bridge]

Yeah, fire LL might be really good

[flint turret]

isnt it really nice

[desert bridge]

Ashes is a TON of ward. Basically 1000 ward/sec

[flint turret]

reen has some ignite chance

[bold brook]

with kuzon you lose peak disabling leech tho

i guess boulder exists

[flint turret]

it doesnt work on siphon doom leech anyway

[bold brook]

oh ya

[flint turret]

so its eithe boulder or no siphon

[desert bridge]

You could use Stymied Fate for doom instead

[flint turret]

but flay boots too good

[bold brook]

or rend boots if rend good

[desert bridge]

IDK why they made the flay boots so good

[flint turret]

i dont think ll would want to use rend it doesnt have as much mana issues really

[bold brook]

thats true

[flint turret]

also umbrals are getting shadow on recall tech so thats another buff to cascade

buffs all over the place

[desert bridge]

🤷‍♀️

Weird choice to make it SO small

Even at like 30% it would be valuable but not required

[bold brook]

at that point just make it only have a 2 piece bonus and just have more pieces lmao

[zenith sequoia]

they said why

it's 2 weapons an axe and sword

so they needed the 3rd item to give options. It also opens up who can use for dw

maybe you want belt or one of the weapons

[bold brook]

well ya, but might as well not have a bonus for 3 pieces if its that low

so just have the 2 bonus and more than 2 pieces

[zenith sequoia]

if it was just belt and sword some builds might want it but feel forced to use legends ring or give up a slot they need

[blazing locust]

just make the 3 set bonus worthwhile as well i dunno...10% is a joke

[zenith sequoia]

it's not a 3 set tho technically

and would remove the feeling of having options

[blazing locust]

why ?

[zenith sequoia]

because if the 3 set is good enough you now feel forced to give up belt and both weapon slots

[blazing locust]

good enough doesnt mean i am 100% taking it

it should be rewarding for those who do want it

[zenith sequoia]

yeah but it's designed as a 2 set with 3 pieces, so they wanted it to be non-impactful

[desert bridge]

Good enough could be a stat you can get elsewhere (like multi) but an amount that feels meaningful but not required (30%ish rather than 80%ish))

10% just doesn't even feel meaningful

[zenith sequoia]

yeah that's point apparently

[blazing locust]

Okay so what if my build specifically excels like a lot with those 3 set items exactly

i get jackshit for using all 3 of them

nah sorry man that logic is just flawed

[zenith sequoia]

not true you get the effects of the item themselves

[flint turret]

i think its fine

[desert bridge]

Well, there is also the "2 set pieces means legends entwined is too strong" thing to consider

[flint turret]

20% more damage is already probably the best set bonus there is out there

[desert bridge]

Because you could get like +5 to all skills using LE, lol

[desert bridge]

Nah, Vilatria is still stronger

[zenith sequoia]

yeah but there is an opportunity cost

you're losing access to something using legends

[desert bridge]

I'm already looking at a Cinder Strike + Burning Daggers build using Kuzon, Doppelganger, and Abandoned

[flint turret]

unlike vilatria its almost unconditional, because you almost never use the same 2 weapons and you dont need to stack anything

cinder is a bait

unless huge buffs its a meme

[desert bridge]

I've never done a burning daggers version of it

[flint turret]

if you wanna do burning daggers version better use hs

and its still bad even with like 20 daggers per second

[desert bridge]

Well, can't really use HS and Kuzon's together

[raw magnet]

You heard the man. ES VK it is... Again.

[flint turret]

you can but there is almost no benefit

80% dodge and 160% fire thats about it

[desert bridge]

I imagine the flat throwing from Oil Coating could be good

[flint turret]

having 150% damage effectivness and almost no access to more multipliers its damage is really hard to make relevant

[desert bridge]

hmm, fair

[blazing locust]

So is there anything remotely interesting from revealed stuff - too lazy to ready every word from the forums on the phone as im traveling

[desert bridge]

TL:DR they revealed a bunch of sets that are good, a couple uniques that might be decent, and a bunch of QOL stuff that is a nice cherry on top

[flint turret]

take your time to see it through, its worth it

[frank pine]

@dense sparrow my friend where are you

[crimson latch]

what is LL

new builds interactions? wohoo

[desert bridge]

Low Life, using the uniques and affixes that drain your health and give you ward based on missing health

[tranquil urchin]

Morning fellas - just woke up here, hey that new ammy that pings out an explosive trap from BS at 120% mana cost would that be 120% of the base cost so like 18 (bladestorm) or higher if explosive?

[zenith sequoia]

it'd be the explosive trap cost

[tranquil urchin]

ooft rough times lol

[flint turret]

@zenith bridge

[rare jacinth]

oh that actually sounds kinda fun

[zenith sequoia]

That's actually really nice

[flint turret]

if they didnt fix the cascade snapshot it would have been much better

but sounds pretty good anyway

dam i need to decide either i roll rend or ignite dancing cascade

[zenith bridge]

Okay wow never expected that. Very cool.

[flint turret]

yeah now im actually thinking about just going full all in on dancing strikes and maybe even add shurikens triggered by it

should be fun, you hold one button and there are shadows, cascades, shurikens, burning daggers, maybe even umbrals flying around igniting everythung

[desert bridge]

Its the rogue version of the "trigger everything" mage build, lol

[wraith nacelle]

Question for the people smarter then me . Does increase % fire damage also apply to ignite or is it just hit damage and not dot ?

[rare jacinth]

ailments benefit from relevant damage increases as well, yes

however there are dot-specific affixes that often have better modifier ranges

[wraith nacelle]

I was seeing that I was just debating on throne of ambition for an ignite HS for next season or not

[zenith sequoia]

throne would work

[flint turret]

sadly ignite hs doesnt really get anything interesting except for embers buff so far

but ehg might have something in stash still

[sand dome]

hi friends, what are some good skills that you'd throw in any rogue build? i use shift & shurikens and smoke bomb, and then usually like 1 dps, but i dont know if there's another one i can throw in that is kind of a passive

i was thinking lethal mirage for the buff but it casts too long and the buff doesnt stick around all that much

[flint turret]

umbral blades as of now, but its bound to change

LM is great as unspecced skill on your bar

it gives 1.5s invul time

traps can be a support with "hold this" but its not particulary great

[eager mason]

if you are non sync setup probably net

[sand dome]

hm

[wraith nacelle]

Yea im waiting on the patch notes to fully commit to it. I hoping for some buffs to multi shot but with out it having any good elemental conversions the damage scaling isn't good . We also didn't get a flat damage quiver and I don't really want to scale morning frost again for HS

[sand dome]

yeah, lethal mirage invuln does seem useful... and i guess i can spec it for the execute

I'll look at net, too. thank you friends!!!

[eager mason]

nah you mostly do lm without specing it

you just put it on your bar if you have a free slot

I think there are almost always better choices for a support

[sand dome]

i have a free skill tree too though 😵‍💫

[eager mason]

what are you playing

[sand dome]

my gf is wanting me to help her plan a shadow bladedancer based off pure shadow rend + the boots

[flint turret]

damage type on mm doesnt matter AS much because all your increases are generic, be it dex or bow damage from sharpshooter. ofc it matters for pen, but most of the time you wont have as much anyway

[eager mason]

you are probably gonna have mana issues on that skill

so if this node is in the game

I would add umbrals

[flint turret]

even tho we dont have a new source of flat damage so far, having relic with shadow crit can solve capping crit for both multishot and rend probably

which opens up the bow affix not being t7 flat crit

[eager mason]

because your shadows are gonna drop bunch of umbrals passively

[sand dome]

oh wow, thats exactly the kind of tech i was hoping for. thanks a ton friend

[flint turret]

we havent seen like 70% of nodes yet, so check back here once patch notes are out, lots of people will try to do something with rend for sure

[wraith nacelle]

possibly I need to see the full tree for shadow rend but from what we have been shown it looks like it would be slower and less effective then just shooting MS . With shadow rend It would be hard to get your shadows all to shotgun your MS I would think but im not sure since we haven't had our hands on it yet

[flint turret]

why it should be slower tho if rend summons at least 1 shadow every use, can summon even 2, and every shadow consumed shoots multishot, and you also have shadows from smoke, resummon node, possibly evade and traversal

and black quiver and maybe umbrals

aiming might be an issue tho thats true

tbh im hoping we wont need giant slayer multishot for single target damage

[wraith nacelle]

All my theories on shadow rend are just assumptions for now but it is things that will need tested especially when we can get our hands on the full tree . I can hope it will be better then I'm thinking but im just worried about the shows just shotting off into space with MS , If it was HS we would be golden though

[flint turret]

i expect rend to have decent amount of multies to be able to use it as a main single target damage combined with falcon marks

and then multishot can take care of trash clear without giant slayer

[wraith nacelle]

Im hope full , I want to play a bow build again . Even though we are getting a bunch of melee and throwing stuff the bow is calling my name

[flint turret]

after today i just wanna do a fiery dance tbh. will be a hard call between those

bladestorm has lost the remainder of its appeal becoming another trap delivery mechanism

its clearly gonna be mainstream and op

[zenith sequoia]

it's only 1 trap tho

[wraith nacelle]

My hope for blade storm Is that it keeps the on shadow consumptions node from UB and the dusk shroud per hit node as well so it can be used as a dusk shroud generator still

[flint turret]

its at least 3 per second, and more because of trap sprinkler and possibly trapas, on top of an already super solid bladestorm casting shurikens

[zenith sequoia]

think the 5 with throw speed and much is better. you're spending more mana for less traps. You also have mana cost of Bladestorm and min cost of shuriken proc

[flint turret]

there was never dusk shroud per hit, only per use

and it was terrible

[zenith sequoia]

Also might have flask trap nerfs

[flint turret]

im not arguing that bladestorm will be better than current trap flask, hopefully not, the point is sthat bladestorm with shuri alone looked already great on paper, and having traps on top as an option (and having that sick bladestorm relic) just makes it better

which means its gonna be even more mainstream imo

[wraith nacelle]

Dam your right Its doing a lot less of the dusk shroud creation on my HS setup then I thought .

[eager mason]

trapas is direct cast only

[flint turret]

on hs setup is shouldnt be doing any creation because you never "use" umbrals

[wraith nacelle]

HS And dark arrows are doing a lot more lifting then current UB for shroud generation

[eager mason]

so you actually just throw 1 from indirect

[flint turret]

tell that to hold this

[zenith sequoia]

I don't think it's the case in practice

[eager mason]

wdym

your shadows only throw 1 too

[zenith sequoia]

my trap loop spawns multiple

[eager mason]

instead of throwing all conversions

[flint turret]

just no

try hold this node with trapas

[zenith sequoia]

I do

thats how I do my trap loop

[wraith nacelle]

Right again I Have been mistaken buy not fully comprehending what I was reading thank you for the clarifications

[flint turret]

yeah not you sorry, @eager mason rather

[zenith sequoia]

oh gotchu

[eager mason]

that sounds like hold this counts as direct

rather than trapas working for non direct

[flint turret]

maybe, dunno how its coded, but calling trap trigger from sd hit from umbral "direct" is quite a stretch purely logically

[eager mason]

yeah idk can be anything with ehg

Im just going from this and shadows only throwing 1

[flint turret]

well i still were using umbrals on my hs too, because there is nothing to put there really

bit of damage and chill never hurts

[wraith nacelle]

Yea I used decoy for a bit but never used it so Ub was the best option as a filler skill with already having shadows involved

[flint turret]

I swapped puncture for decoy for Uber, that's pretty much it

I'm not even sure it was net positive kekw

[zenith sequoia]

just to show the loop https://streamable.com/64wqh1

[eager mason]

cool

melee da?

[zenith sequoia]

yeah, idk a use case for it yet

[eager mason]

only thing I see is mana stacking da

while you spam puncture to gain mana back

but dk how the damage will be

[zenith sequoia]

it's very mediocre

[wraith nacelle]

Well thanks for all the information now I might have to look into building bow shadow rend on falcon , Iv never played falconer before so it should be fun

[eager mason]

but I guess not really a point of the loop if you are spamming melee puncture anyways

[zenith sequoia]

can't use bow

[eager mason]

you dont use bow

[flint turret]

The main appeal to me so far is eaasy mana gain from falcon and hunter mark for 150% more damage. And in case things go sour shadow dive should be able to clear...

[eager mason]

you gain the mana back and dont get the downside

[zenith sequoia]

gotchu

[eager mason]

from what I remember

but ofc needs you to be mm xdd

[wraith nacelle]

interesting Iv just always been put off the falcon play style because the main build being UB was a very spammy piano build

[flint turret]

Well, chances are that you will have to spam dive quite often

[zenith sequoia]

the worst part tbh

[flint turret]

If they fix birds not real at all. If they don't it's insta-rip

It just doesn't work at all now

[zenith sequoia]

also you lose out on all your flat from DA cause not direct cast

[kind adder]

So explosive traps thrown by bladestorm use your explosive trap skill tree...

I want a build that specs bladestorm, explosive trap, acid flask, and det arrow

And shurikens lmaooo

Unfortunately trapas does not work, but everything else does

You can throw the flasks and arrows with the traps thrown from bladestorm

[kind adder]

Maybe not Det arrow cause tha requires marksman... but the dream is still alive

[eager mason]

I died in the dumbest way

I think build can do 2k

but Im not sitting through hours of that again when we have patch notes tomorrow

forgot about his aoe and dashed into it https://streamable.com/hx1plg

[pine hatch]

Lmao he got me couple times as well

[kind atlas]

Fixarenaplz kthx

[eager mason]

I dont think even they care about arena

[pine hatch]

But with DS that aoe won't kill me instantly

It seems you are doing around 400 waves per hour with ds only 350ish so definitely clear is better

[wide yacht]

lemme get things straight, they removed the CD from dancing strikes

but it's still limited to animation, so it'll just be as fast as the lowest cooldown before patch

at which point animation decides how fast you can perform the next, not the CD

DS still bad question mark? honestly if animation lock is a necessity, can they consequently improve rythm so it's more realistic to keep stacks up?

[flint turret]

We don't know, the wording on Ds is kinda vague, mentioning movement speed too. We need a showcase for it to be sure. But the only thing clear is that it should be better than in s3

[wide yacht]

i also hope there is at least one new node for DS related to shadow rend

but i'm not holding my breath, devs always had a tendency to forgot about dancing after all

[flint turret]

It would make sense, but I'm not really hoping for it

[wide yacht]

signature move of BD, they say

why not? BD signature is dancing, but also has the most compability with shadows class gameplay

[flint turret]

If they make it trigger rend on strike it would mean Ds will have 2 ways of creating shadows

[wide yacht]

it would make sense for its signature move to work with one of the new big shadow abilities

[flint turret]

It would indeed

[wide yacht]

i just don't want to see every other subclass ending up using shadows better than, well, the shadow-intensive subclass

[flint turret]

I see what you mean but with multiple buffs to cascade I think bd already got a big piece of rogue buffs

[wide yacht]

honestly didn't expect them to overbuff it by so much

[flint turret]

Same

[wide yacht]

they aimed way higher than they needed to

[flint turret]

I didn't expect them to buff it at all tbh

[wide yacht]

there's "small compensation buff" just in case it ends up weaker

and then there's what just happened lol

[rugged pollen]

depending on the new dmg eff

cascade would get like 2x to 3x the damage

lol

and Rend just looks like the better shadow generator compared to sync

[flint turret]

Based on what?

As much as I would like I don't see it yet at all

[rugged pollen]

it gives 2 shadows with boots

and shadow refund

and way less manacost

hard to really say when we've just seen like only 1/3 of its tree

also i'd like to think that rend by itself can actually do damage

[rugged pollen]

i wonder if this turns out to be true

what would sync even do then lol

[flint turret]

the wording on boots is strange

[rugged pollen]

literally useless

[rugged pollen]

huh what do you find strange

[flint turret]

we might not be able to use second shadow with our skills

[rugged pollen]

i think it's quite straightforward no

[flint turret]

and with snapshot being fixed i dont see it yet as a sync competitor even with 2 shadows

[rugged pollen]

what makes you think u wont be able to do skill?

they're just shadows no?

[flint turret]

because it says the shadow of the unequipped weapon type is consumed

[rugged pollen]

oooh

i see

[flint turret]

the other one will become a regular shadow after attack

[rugged pollen]

yeah

[flint turret]

this one i have no idea how will behave if we cast cascade before its consumed

[rugged pollen]

welp gotta see it then

[flint turret]

and loosing flay boots also hurts

unless some really good nodes in rend so far i see it only as in-between combo sync-rend-sync

[rugged pollen]

the value of the boots drops drastically if the 2nd shadow is immediately consume

[flint turret]

yeah

it doest say immidiatly. but rather after its attack which has a decent delay

but its interactions possibilities are unclear

sync-rend-sync sounds decent already tbh

less manacost, same damage probably

but for the cost of a skill slot

i mean with both triggering cascade ofc

what are the ways to leech with ignite outside of gloves amulet and weaver sword?

i wanna do mahelins, embers, reen+fire set sword.... but i need leech

[zenith bridge]

Set affix craft on Pinnacle helm? Otherwise rely on health on hit.

[earnest moth]

assuming speed run levelling build meta will change on rogue after this patch with UB changes 🤔

[zenith bridge]

Bleed setup comes online quicker. But SD falconer should be dead since AA cant proc bladestorms anymore and umbral blades are harder to target

[earnest moth]

I guess there's a chance bladestorm replaces UB if there are decent SD nodes?

[zenith bridge]

Maybe bladestorm is strong enough to just rush with it through the story yep

I can imagine bladestorm shuriken proc to be very strong early on. Both hit and bleed versions

Maybe we also sleep too much on Shadow Rend

[crimson latch]

Hi, today we have patch notes at the same hour?

[earnest moth]

hmm, i'm hoping there's something still strong enough to do early monos to farm a TS key skip

[zenith bridge]

Alot of endgame build guides come online once you hit mono

Multishot, HoA, shadow daggers, cascade, chakrams...all strong builds

Heartseeker

[cobalt mantle]

Yep, should be in a little over 4 hrs from now

[keen snow]

Someone put together a 100% block chance Bo's Anarchy build for a challenge last season, looked interesting enough.
I wonder if there'll be anything giving that sort of thing some life in 1.4

(they were using legends entwined with the Corsair's set for block chance)

[bold brook]

new aura of decay boots give fire dot leech

theres also the tome of elements I guess

[flint turret]

Decent idea I guess, depending on what stats fire set shards will get

Better than removing dragon shoes or kethans

[zenith bridge]

I think its gonna be 100% SC conversion to fire and x% to blind on fire attacks even at T1

[flint turret]

Honestly I'm even sure I need the set, maybe weapon is enough

For ignite that is

[polar saffron]

tbh the helmet is probably good enough to wear as is for 90% of content

the weapon is what youll need to wait on, i assume that will have the burning dagger on hit stat for the set affix

[zenith bridge]

Yea the helm alone has very good stats. You dont really need the set affix. Problem is...rogue has insane class specific prefixes.

[flint turret]

for cascade those are not that important on helm. helm can get +sync lvls but cascade is a body affix, so its a first win. the other win is that we can now have tons of 1x4 idols or discord doubling 1x4 and the now 1x3 which is also basically 1x4 so damage per shadow can be asily gotten from them

the only thing thats kinda unique is ward on shadow creation which sucks on idols

but you can even get in on body now because you are getting +2 cascade from helm...

helm is really awesome tbh

just corrupt it with something good and you are set

this sword is pretty crazy too, might want to use reen+this sword now

more than 100 flat and up to 140% multi on top of flat crit and AS

[polar saffron]

you will lose the 20% more multi to be fair but that might be fine

[flint turret]

and dual swords provide 40% gb from weapons of choise

[flint turret]

thats true but i dunno how to get it without a ring

not using reen on fire cascade is a crime

and the set axe is pretty bad

[polar saffron]

set affix on a belt? or do you need a specific unique belt

but even then if you did have the 2 set, youd be on dual swords

so not much you can do there

[flint turret]

yeah thats the issue

[polar saffron]

im thinking about that sword with fulgurite for lethal mirage though

60% lightning convert means that you can still bleed

[flint turret]

but wouldnt you want to convert fully because of pen

[polar saffron]

140% crit multi is good enough to not fully convert i think

i mean the other option is the full convert on tree and slamming bleed on melee hit onto the fulgurite

[eager mason]

[pine hatch]

2 am already

I'm done

[eager mason]

how long did it take xdd

[flint turret]

you madlads

[pine hatch]

I started from 10

But from 650waves

[eager mason]

o7

they dont even give name tags do they

how hard could it be to give rank 1 arena

[pine hatch]

😆

[flint turret]

are you guys ready for another 3 buffs for cascade?

how about dex scaling?

[eager mason]

:yep:

acid flask capped

[flint turret]

imagine they come out now and cap cascade trigger to 2 per second

that would be the most troll move possible

[terse jolt]

*cap cascade to .5 triggers per .25 seconds

Want to maximize cascade? Better learn about alternate dimensions

[flint turret]

we already have falcon for that with all that stat sharing, stat conversions, conditional buffs, bugged interactions, and absense of tooltip damage

forgot about stat snapshotting too

[terse jolt]

Falconeer is being deleted bro

didn't you read the patch notes?

[flint turret]

16 min video holy

[lime folio]

brutality already nerfed by 60% 🤣

[zenith bridge]

told you, shadow cascade 300% dmg eff 🤣

[flint turret]

love how they combined echo final chest with echo reward

should have been done so long ago

[zenith bridge]

holy, Mana stacking DA and acid flask trapper dead

[eager mason]

bro

90%

[flint turret]

body also can have +1

[flint turret]

pog

broooo

[eager mason]

if it was warpath they would only nerf it by 10%

but since this isnt a casual build just kill it

[eager mason]

yeah thats crazy

dont need peak

[flint turret]

if only bd could scale damage with dex

[zenith bridge]

''Temporarily disabled the Shuriken Immobilize node called “Stagger”. It’ll be reintroduced later with some changes.'' Seems like this node could perma stun enemies witrh bladestorm 🙂

[eager mason]

LOL

they watched lizard

thats a last minute change

[zenith bridge]

CTs for sure found out before

[eager mason]

it would be changed instead of disabled if they did

[flint turret]

jesus christ

flat damage idol corruptions

[distant pewter]

jebaited

[lime folio]

cinder strike mentioned!

[tired dragon]

I was planning to try lethal mirage bladedancer with this season, does this change kill that build

[flint turret]

looks like we can any flat on it

[zenith bridge]

Traitors not nerfed 🤣

[gaunt mesa]

daym fire flask is just... snapped out of existence

[topaz schooner]

perfect timing for LE yep

[topaz schooner]

is BD good again ragu?

[flint turret]

havent read patchoines but from previous reveals at the best state it has ever been id say

2 sets are giga huge alone

[topaz schooner]

i'm excited to play again but I havent played the last 2 seasons

work was brutal in 2025

[high sparrow]

@naive sandhttps://forum.lastepoch.com/t/bug-skill-acid-flask-when-using-mtx-volatile-elixir-acid-flask/80464
Let me remind you, nothing has been changed so far. MTX BUY TO LOOSE

[crimson latch]

i just want to play a tier S marksman build

[round topaz]

"Players can now prevent Dancing Strikes’ movement by aiming within a short distance around the character."

Does this remove the feeling of being Animation Locked while using Dancing Strike?

Oh nevermind, its just so you dont move forward anymore, right?

[zenith bridge]

Oh wow they introduced a corruption ladder

[topaz schooner]

sounds like you just click it near the character and it doesnt leap as far

doesnt sound like an animation cancel

[flint turret]

big qol Razorain: Direct casts of Bladestorm throw up to your maximum number of Bladestorms in a spread in front of you. +10 Mana cost.

okay okay this is getting interesting

Momentum: Shifting through a Bladestorm grants it 150% more movement speed per point for 1 second. Max 2 points.

LM with charion boots for 300% MORE MS???

[zenith bridge]

Concentration passive fixed. Non bow builds can get dmg multiplier again

[slow sierra]

Holy crap 500% added dmg for shadow rend?

[flint turret]

oh wow ds deadge

more replaced by increased

[wide yacht]

man oh man

[flint turret]

this alone makes me interested in LM

its like free 1000% inc damage

[slow sierra]

bladestorm shadow dagger leveling looks pretty good

[finite arch]

can we start making builds or the trees not on the site yet?

[flint turret]

oh wow shuri bladestorm is even better than we knew
Surge of Steel: Bladestorms cast Shurikens with 12% increased frequency per point. Max 4 points.

[slow sierra]

They did nerf chakram though

for bladestorm

from 100% multi to 50% on non direct casts

[zenith bridge]

yep i know my starter

[earnest moth]

video when ❤️

[zenith bridge]

the patch notes summary alone will take forever

[flint turret]

holy

Shadowstorm: Bladestorms hit by Shadow Cascade will instantly hit enemies in their area

brooooo throwing cascade goes hard

[topaz schooner]

holy sd procs

[fading burrow]

rip Shuriken

[lime folio]

so 1 proc per 1.5s to 1 per 1.01s?

[fading burrow]

no more free armor triggered by Shift

[slow sierra]

blade detonation looks interesting too atleast for leveling

[flint turret]

sd proc actually look pretty bad

Nightblade: +10% chance on hit to inflict Shadow Daggers per point, doubled if the Bladestorm is inside a Smoke Bomb. Max 4 points.

80% max in smoke

[slow sierra]

40% hit 3x per sec

[flint turret]

but with spamming cascade i guess its okay

[slow sierra]

6x with alloyed?

[zenith bridge]

Yo there is a node that allows you to throw maximum numbers for bladestorm. Thats such a good qol for shuriken proc

Man the build is getting better and better

[slow sierra]

also very good for expoding storms

[flint turret]

and leveling too. you just throw 3 bladestorms with sd and cascade

[topaz schooner]

only BD i've ever played was SD, didnt look much into scaling avenues

[gaunt mesa]

warpath is actually nerfed rejoice
Warrior’s Fury’s effects now reach a maximum after 10 seconds. After that duration the effects will still apply, but will not continue growing.

[flint turret]

bladestorm nodes look pretty crazy ngl

[eager mason]

nice

[flint turret]

400% damage effectiveness for rend is more than i expected

[zenith bridge]

the shadow dagger node in bladestorm tree is pretty bad no?

[flint turret]

i was thinking about 300

[zenith bridge]

3 hits max for 40% unless you take Alloy Animation

[sage canyon]

stonks for ds?

[flint turret]

80% in smoke, 2 bladfestorms hitting the same target and both of them hit every time they are hit with cascade, decent

[flint turret]

wdym, its increased instead of more, its dead

[slow sierra]

a little more than 1 SD proc per second with alloyed and in smoke bomb

does seems a little underwhelming

[flint turret]

jezz rend has tons of more damage afterall
Intensity: 8% more damage per point. Max 4 points.
Heavy Shadows: 12% more damage and 3% less attack speed per point. Max 3 points.

[slow sierra]

also has a 500% added dmg scaling

[flint turret]

400, you dont care about initial hit tbh

it wont scale from shadow damage or crit from my understanding

[wide yacht]

that's the class passive

[sage canyon]

what? its a passive

[flint turret]

oh... still reading

[wide yacht]

so this is just for BD overall

[slow sierra]

it does scale from shadow dmg

[sage canyon]

insane DS stonks

no more uber clutter

[flint turret]

Looks like the giant slayer multishot will aim alright
Betrayal of Flesh: The manifested Shadow chooses a random target to dash toward, ignoring your targeted direction. It can target enemies that are 40% further away. Max 1 point.

[fading burrow]

seems baby nerf for it?

[flint turret]

wait LEtools already has it?

[eager mason]

I can actually play it now

[fading burrow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/changelog/version140

[slow sierra]

yes

[fading burrow]

yeah mate

[flint turret]

pog

let the cooking begin

[inland yacht]

0 changes to acid flask, nerf to trap sprinkler

[slow sierra]

shadow rend is looking better than I thought

[inland yacht]

pain

[sage canyon]

yep OP skill they fixed all issues, also have u seen the shurikens seems insane boss killer

giga stack the blade shield

and gg

🤔

[fading burrow]

how is acid flask m8 @kind atlas

[sage canyon]

ded

nerfed by 90%

[inland yacht]

explosive flask seems dead now

[flint turret]

SO MANY MORE MODIFIERS FOR REND

[inland yacht]

self cast flask was already 20 feet under

[flint turret]

im rending alright

screw ignite ds

[sage canyon]

was UB node per shroud always capped at 20?

[flint turret]

since 1.3

[gaunt mesa]

for budget versions perhaps, but for 2k+ mana bis setups it is

[flint turret]

rend tree is SOO much better than i expected

[wide yacht]

massive imprint nerfs?

[gaunt mesa]

i would say GIGA

[rocky nova]

that seems massive nerf ye

altho considering i had like 50 red rings last time around i guess that's to be expected

[polar saffron]

Frostbite Bladestorm is looking genuinely quite strong

[gaunt mesa]

sweet dreams king, now it's Exulis time

Evolution’s End no longer grants +1-2 to level of all skills. It now grants +15% to all Resistances for Minions.

[flint turret]

you can even automate it

[polar saffron]

Unfortunate but this is good for the game in general

[finite arch]

what builds u guys going?

or cooking

[polar saffron]

I think it might be Frostbite Bladestorm

"From all sources" is money

[flint turret]

jesus christ ITS 300

50% MORE

[polar saffron]

look at the base damage

[flint turret]

who cares about base damage

you will have 250+ flat

[polar saffron]

yeah weapons are more impactful

which is a good thing

[flint turret]

EHG falconer designer guy decided to play BD kekw

[rocky nova]

10% base crit is also pretty big

[polar saffron]

I'm currently looking at 8 frostbite stacks per hit of bladestorm

[flint turret]

LM up to 150 from 100 too

[polar saffron]

the only problem is because most of my frostbite chance is coming from bleed convert, my explosive trap procs arent gonna frostbite much

but theyre only there to get easy cold res shred

• more dusk shroud stacks

[rugged pollen]

@zenith bridge

wtf is this??????

[polar saffron]

i think i can sustain about 200-ish frostbite stacks

should feel good

[rugged pollen]

i guess

[zenith bridge]

thats crazy good yea, im just concerned about blade shield positioning on bladestorms. You saw bladestorm speed in the video? This looks like more dps than deadly aim, but it could feel weird so i wanna test both for dps

[rugged pollen]

it's like multitude more DPS than line

[wide yacht]

don't give me hope that LM is actually good now

[rugged pollen]

if it works as i i/we think it would

[rocky nova]

do blade shield shurikens circle the bladestorm?

[flint turret]

its good for sure with bladestorm and charion

50% more dam eff and 1000% inc damage from movespeed

[high sparrow]

Thank you developers for destroying the build 🙁

[rugged pollen]

holy what is this shuriken buff bro

oh nvm

[eager mason]

that means direct cast right?

[rugged pollen]

i thought chakram got 100% more dam

[flint turret]

they nerfed DA hahahahahaha

Detonating Arrow
Infused Discharge now also has a maximum to the amount of Mana consumed by its effect of 20 per point.

[rugged pollen]

i dont think so

is there any direct use mentioned?

[slow sierra]

They changed chakram to give 50% and then 100% on direct cast down from flat 100%

[eager mason]

Im guessing that means direct

[flint turret]

Falconry
Falconer’s Mark grants 25% more damage per point (from 50%).
Marking Strikes grants a 10% chance per point for your Falcon’s other hits to inflict Falconer’s Mark (from 20%).
NOOOOO my falconer rend build already nerfed FFS

[rugged pollen]

i think "this way" means orbitting

instead of normal throw

need to see in game i guess

[eager mason]

than shift is fine?

[rugged pollen]

also the description from LEtool is differnt from patchnotde

the "same target multiple time" is not written in LEtool

...

[rugged pollen]

shouldnt take too much time to test

[rugged pollen]

yeah they nuke free armor

[pulsar solar]

Tooo much „directly“

[eager mason]

wait they nerfed evolutions end

I was like why my planner is -2 lvls

[gaunt mesa]

you have options though

omnis and exulis

[eager mason]

yeah Im fine with that

getting that in campaign was so stupid

[flint turret]

wait WHAT

Updated the description of Foreshadowing to better describe its effects: Shadows created by Synchronized Strike deal increased damage. This effect also applies to shadows created from any source for 4 seconds after using Synchronized Strike. This effect stacks.

IT STACKED ?

or it will now?

i never knew it stacked

[eager mason]

no clue

[flint turret]

oh wow sync can now create 5 shadows for 10 mana OMG

[zenith bridge]

not direct

i asked

[eager mason]

8sec cd tho

if you want the mana cost node

[flint turret]

yeah but still

[eager mason]

lol

does recalling towards it count

probably not

[flint turret]

probably

[eager mason]

well

aerial assault tree doesnt have bladestorm

[rugged pollen]

bladestorm + recalling UB looks pretty bonker if you ask me

[eager mason]

can you only self cast it

like I dont see anyway to cast bladestorm other than self cast

[rugged pollen]

nothing wrong with that no?

since you cast 1-2 then forget

do something else

[eager mason]

yeah

but just that it is a big change to the skill

since a big part of it was casting it from other stuff

[rugged pollen]

i mean

the skill just got added

😁

gotta treat UB and bladestorm as 2 different things now

[north tree]

Tbf Ub was just bladestorm

[rugged pollen]

@zenith bridge have you tried recall UB with razorfall?

and AA

[eager mason]

it is good single target

idk how the clear is

[rugged pollen]

oh nvm

[eager mason]

but you probably clear with othert stuff

[rugged pollen]

i forgot the cannot target same enemy part

[polar saffron]

yeah my plan for frostbite bladestorm is to throw umbral blades into the bladestorms while the bladestorms drop explosive traps for cold res shred

the damage looks genuinely very good

[eager mason]

I havent read umbral tree

how is it

[rugged pollen]

kinda the same with number buff

notable added notes are

flat crit

and shadow on recall

[flint turret]

the most uninteresting thing ever

[eager mason]

yeah that should be nice for support ub

you were already using it just for mana

[rugged pollen]

i think it's nicer if you're spamming them

[eager mason]

yeah good for normal too

[rugged pollen]

have you seen trikster video on recall UB?

[polar saffron]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKgDe0qD Alright here's the frostbite bladestorm setup that I've managed to get working

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (88) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,059, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 126.51, Regen: 12.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 61%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 47 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 114% / 74% / 84% / 87% / 78% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 412
▸ Dodge Chance: 15% (487)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (375)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 96%

Used skills:

Bladestorm / Explosive Trap / Umbral Blades / Shift / Smoke Bomb

[rugged pollen]

actually very good damage potential

[flint turret]

recall build would nbe better but no new inetersting nodes

[eager mason]

yeah I know

its pretty good

[rugged pollen]

shadow on recall gives it serious ward gen right?

that's what im thinking

[flint turret]

they buffed the best dex passive for no reason kekw

[eager mason]

holy

phys is so big

[flint turret]

yes

[eager mason]

trying to cap phys res when I get to 1st mono was always pain

ofc afterwards its also pain

since its rogue xdd

[flint turret]

using mourningrost bruh

[eager mason]

oh shred effect is gone

[flint turret]

Flow can now only be consumed by non-channeled melee or throwing attacks, and grants 100% more damage (from 40% increased damage per point).

[eager mason]

still have the mm one

[wise echo]

Thats bad. oof

[slow sierra]

If you consume a shadow does that count as them "expiring"?

[flint turret]

yes

[zenith bridge]

yea but the blades will spawn at random direction, so sometimes the blades miss on recall

[eager mason]

oh patch notes was a typo

[wraith nacelle]

shadow rend MS might be alive and safer then having to shotgun your self HUGE

[slow sierra]

Thinking there might be a build with shadow rend(consuming shadows) + blade storms + with umbrals dropping from shadows

[flint turret]

yeah but with the giga amount of "more" damage on the rend tree i doubt i would want multishot intead of shadow consume for even more damage

[eager mason]

ragu

it goes up to 2

holy

[flint turret]

WTF

[eager mason]

400 crit

if you have 200 dex

from 1 corruption

[wise echo]

Wait what affix is that?

[eager mason]

corrupted ring

[flint turret]

and its only t5

[wraith nacelle]

I'm just not sure if not having MS would kill the clear that's what im worried about I think the single target would be good with the lightning conversion and elemental arrows though for single target . I can not wait to test it all though

[flint turret]

even t4

[eager mason]

gonna need to corrupt a lot of red rings

or just go another ring corruption is too good

[flint turret]

can just go with crabs

[wise echo]

Umbral ring time to shine?

Penumbra

[flint turret]

gl farming them

[eager mason]

you can get 3lp on that tho

[wise echo]

Arena all day everyday

[eager mason]

oceareon is common enough to corrupt bunch of 1 lps

[wise echo]

Can you corrupt weaver?

[eager mason]

no clue

[pulsar solar]

Yes

[wise echo]

Font of the Erased might be a good one to corrupt then

Wait, can you use LP after corrupting or need to make it legendary first?

[cloud pendant]

im sorry, am i missing something here, dancing strikes losing the CD is absolutely wild right? stack att speed and its racing time?

[pulsar solar]

Nope after corruption it can’t be changed

[flint turret]

LM gets some crazy buffs to become a one-punchman

[wise echo]

We need to see, i think removing the CDR is a mistake. The movement speed shouldnt be better than CDR alone.

[flint turret]

50% more damage eff, 100% more from rhythm, like 1000% inc from bladestorm charion

[finite arch]

ill try this. ty

[eager mason]

good t7

[flint turret]

huge

[wise echo]

Chest?

[flint turret]

NOOOOO

[eager mason]

here is t8

[flint turret]

it doesnt CONVERT

[eager mason]

[wise echo]

Thats the helmet affix

[flint turret]

indeed it is

[polar saffron]

so no shadow cascade to fire unless you wear the helmet (which is a good item anyway)

[wise echo]

The sword affix doesnt convert too

[wise echo]

hahaaha

[eager mason]

hmm

[flint turret]

t8 bro

[polar saffron]

it does what cinder strike would want it to do. if you can hit an eye of reen with it it'll be sick

[wise echo]

Makes no sense that the Sword affix for Kuzon set doesnt convert to fire.

[bold brook]

LMAO wtf

they really just want you to use the set items i guess

[wise echo]

But the base item converts dancing strikes to fire. You're locked out to that weapon now

[polar saffron]

you can probably hit the cap with cinder strike

[flint turret]

wtf rip

[polar saffron]

but yeah i get what you mean

[wise echo]

Im sure you can, but that locks DS fire build

[polar saffron]

yeah if you wanna use dancing strikes you have to use the sword

[wise echo]

[wise echo]

Maybe corruption will save it. with a T7 base fire dmg

[lime folio]

i dont think it's actually that high
if you only count the corrupted affixes, there are 15
ofc you'd need to hit tier5+ on it
or can we really hit any random affix, or set affix, via corruption?
sounds more like a LE planner thing atm

[polar saffron]

to be fair corruption can also reroll the base type or brick the item

[wise echo]

No, some affixes are locked to items

[polar saffron]

so its not like every corrupt attempt will be rolling for a corruption affix

[wise echo]

Corrupted Attributes are locked to Amulets

[lime folio]

i specifically looked at rings, since that was the topic

[wise echo]

I gave you an example.

[lime folio]

there were 15 corrupted affixes

instead of 50+

[eager mason]

looked like you can hit normal mods too

not sure

[polar saffron]

i would probably guess that to hit that crit affix you'll need to roll ~150 times for a 2%

just off of rough guesses on what the weightings will be

[lime folio]

that was my question, LEtools also has normal mods and set mods as corruption outcome
which feels weird

[rocky nova]

so is this 250% or 300%? added dmg effectiveness

[wise echo]

ACtually its weird that Corrupted affixes are only prefixes, hopefully that doesnt matter for corruption

[flint turret]

40 avoidance?

nice

[eager mason]

doom same at least

so cascade lost 20% from that

I didnt use it while mapping anyways

[bold brook]

ye, siphon still good. chains still has some damage too but unsure if its bis by far

[eager mason]

you can corrupt bunch of these now

since it cant get more than 1 lp

[flint turret]

Army of Skin grants 6-13% increased melee attack speed (from 13-26%), and its Excoriation stacks grant +5 melee damage (from +6). It now has an effective level for legendary potential of 70 (from 49).

nerfed quite a bit

[sudden shell]

why tf did they make acid trapper node 90% chance to miss. not even 90% dmg nerf 90% chance to miss

[slow sierra]

I think it is more of a side grade since now it will be easier to get 3 lp on it

[sudden shell]

crazy change

[slow sierra]

-13% attack speed for 1 more affix

[wraith nacelle]

If I leave shadow rend as physical this is the tree I came up with for bow shadow rend with multi shot assuming a t7 plus skill and a +2 nihilis

[bold brook]

kuzon can roll up to +4 cascade tho holy

[sudden shell]

imagine adding 90% chance to miss to nerf other builds lmao

[bold brook]

traitor avoids nerfs again too lol

[eager mason]

yeah

saved

at least we have crit options now

but still gonna run traitors probably

[wise echo]

Same.

[eager mason]

bro I need to know what the chances on these corrupted bases are

[wise echo]

Corrupt the traitor to get even more crit

[eager mason]

planner doesnt say Sadge

[lime folio]

@eager mason #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
hitting the right affix is going to be such a mess
between first getting an affix results, then rolling the right affix, then having it with a decent tier

[eager mason]

oof

yeah Im just running a random corrupted ring than

for a long time

[flint turret]

huge

[wise echo]

hopefully the corruption rune drops in abundance

[eager mason]

1 in 60 is so f ed

[lime folio]

you still need the base item to corrupt

[lime folio]

that's if the corruption decides to roll an extra affix

it could be other stuff too

[eager mason]

yeah true

[lime folio]

might not even be 50% chance to get an affix

there are 5 possible outcomes

[flint turret]

there are not a lot of unique curruption affixes per slot tbh

[lime folio]

you can also get any regular or set affixes

so it's not 1 on 15, but like 1 on 50-70

[pulsar solar]

Hmmmmmm

[lime folio]

however, ability to hit set affixes on a legendary item could be decent

[wise echo]

Shift got a 3 level increase, Rogue will be slower to play at the start sigh

[eager mason]

bro they have reroll chance too

its joever

[rugged pollen]

the chase item ceiling has increased like 20 times

[flint turret]

would be fun on hs

[eager mason]

why are they 200 100

[zenith bridge]

are u guys as overwhelmed as i am?

so much stuff too read

[flint turret]

basically le 2.0 as far is im concerned

[rigid pelican]

so much to try

[lime folio]

so we're looking at like, a 1 on 200-400 to hit a specific one, maybe

[zenith bridge]

best season for rogue

[rocky nova]

so many things syngergizing

[flint turret]

rend looks way better than expected

[eager mason]

lowest ones are 50 reroll

[rocky nova]

feeling like this atm

in a good way 😄

[eager mason]

I have patch notes, discord, and lizard yapping on my ear

[lime folio]

meanwhile i'm sick, brain is fried, good timing

[rugged pollen]

corruption ladder

[eager mason]

I wonder how imprinting is gonna be after nerfs

[flint turret]

whre are you looking

[rugged pollen]

kartal seething right now

[eager mason]

do I put double t7s in my planner even

[eager mason]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/affixes?r=corruption_equipment

[lime folio]

dont even know if 1LP + corruption is realistic anymore

[flint turret]

okay we cool

[eager mason]

bad part is some of these brick your build

wait

dont look at chest

[lime folio]

if we get a 50% chance to add an affix (who knows, there are multiple outcomes)
it's still a 1 on 192 to hit it

could easily be a 1 on 500

[eager mason]

I forgot to eat

[flint turret]

they might have different pool we dont know

[lime folio]

what do you mean?
we have the ring pool, and reroll chances

[flint turret]

i mean the corruption outcome

[lime folio]

ring pool = 64 affixes
reroll on that affix = 50%

[flint turret]

i mean we can have lets say 10% to add a regular affix and 10% to add a "corruption affix"

which have their own pools