🔪┃rogue

[maiden gyro]

I know abberoth is.. A tank.

[flint turret]

He has 0 res

[maiden gyro]

Kay so it's just placebo effect from stuff more often just standing in hail of arrows.

[flint turret]

Just consider pen as a damage multiplier

[maiden gyro]

Well my pen bow was 19% and my current flat fire damage is 46? I think? 43?

40 something.

[dire forge]

race is on my man @flint bough

[flint turret]

I don't think it's possible to have that low bow damage, unless you are not wearing a bow?

[carmine wedge]

https://youtube.com/live/WP7Vfnqa4_g?feature=share

[maiden gyro]

No it's ontop of whatever us on the bow to begin with, I'm talking legendary affix added onto the bow.

Is*

[flint bough]

what you say? @dire forge

[maiden gyro]

No good damage calcs for Le huh..

[potent rune]

Sadly it sucks that a couple of skills for mage have this but for other classes its a no,

[cobalt mantle]

Nothing automatic, but it's not too much work to make a calculator for most skills

[maiden gyro]

Yeah I'll Calc it tomorrow when I got time before work if I don't nap my time away lol pulling 10 hour days atm so time limited sadly.

[iron fulcrum]

Hows cold marksman these days, been wanting to do a reign of winter build for a while now

[maiden gyro]

im getting all these lp2 items but i dont have any good exalts to throw in them ;-;

[sly hornet]

With Heart seeker it’s decent

Nothing to write home about but it’s all content viable.

[wraith nacelle]

Cold crit heart seeker is a good mapper 1000c plus with decent gear . Not a great Uber killer though . It’s doable just a long fight . I personally still like it though

[wraith nacelle]

Yea you get to a point where perfect exalts are harder to find then lp on most items . If you get use to the crafting system with runes and glyphs you can mitigate some of the chance

[maiden gyro]

i havent used a single glyph beyond hope idk what the rest really do

or understand them lol

[wraith nacelle]

I would read through them all they are very useful for the exalt chance if you have questions on certain ones ask away

[flint turret]

arguably the best rogue build mechanically, but not the strongest

[flint bough]

is there any way to beat Emerald Assassin Vu'ira at 5k corruption like god damn

[flint bough]

@bold brook hey I tested out you putting melee skills with fire or lightning and it does less damage than just putting a t7 physical damage instead

melee damage affixes

[bold brook]

as in, t7 phys flat melee > double t7 other flat melee?

or t7 phys flat melee + t7 something else > double t7 other flat melee

[flint bough]

t7 phys flat + increased physical damage

[bold brook]

i also assume affixes on other gear matter quite a bit here, depending on how much increased phys and such

[flint bough]

rather than t7 of the melee

[bold brook]

interesting

[flint bough]

maybe its because i have a lot of increased physical damage?

i have it on almost all my gear

yeah and im doing a lot of damage

im running 5180 corruption right now doing enough damage

im using these two

if the phys damage was +65 fire melee damage it would do less damage

[bold brook]

the increased phys or the flat phys

i assume your talkign about the flat

[flint bough]

increased phys

[bold brook]

oh really

[flint bough]

yep

[bold brook]

very interesting

[flint bough]

let me show you

in a call if u want

[bold brook]

nah i believe you of course

[flint bough]

alright 🙂

im also using this

it doesnt look great at first glance but it gets the job done

[flint bough]

how you been playing LE?

I really looked up to you you helped me a lot in this game

[bold brook]

I have not been on LE, I got really into speedrunning Hades 2 recently

glad I could help you! that makes me feel good

it seems the learner has become the master!

[flint bough]

hehe

i would not be at 5k+ corruption without you

remember when all of my gear was exalted when i was still experimenting

look at it now https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Big_Mike69/character/Blade_Mikey

many of these items were from your recommendation

[bold brook]

hell ya

[flint bough]

🙂

[flint bough]

I'm going to master this build

[bold brook]

i think you already have, being higher than 5k corruption and all 🙂

[flint bough]

i should stream 5k corruption lol xD

im doing 2k right now because im farming rift beasts

[maiden gyro]

so i believe 500 corruption is about the max this hail of arrows build can do currently without me getting perfect exalts to slam.

[flint turret]

Hail even does Uber more or less easily, so I would doubt it caps at 500

I remember Misha experimented with it quite a bit, you can search through this thread or maybe on youtube

#🔪┃rogue message

[maiden gyro]

guess missing the enchant on neck and relic is murdering my damage

because this was the one i was following

[iron fulcrum]

Been doing more research about it and really liking how it looks, do u know of a build guide that exists? I want a guideline but also want to freestyle it a little bit

[iron fulcrum]

Also are red rings just gonna be flat out better than whatever else ice marksman uses

[wraith nacelle]

I have my updated setup I can show you but I don’t have a guide for ya . I’m not a big fan of the maxroll one . Red rings are BiS for the build yes

This is my setup iv been using and it works well

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Eyeofsuede/character/TheSuedeEye

[iron fulcrum]

Ayy thank you thats what I meant mb lol but looks perfect for what I want

[flint turret]

Not a fan of this planner, but overall hs is pretty good yeah

Can recommend trying out dusk shroud stacking with hs, it's pretty good

[wraith nacelle]

Yea iv moved points in and out of the dusk shroud node on hs but this is what is currently working for core farming for me

[wraith nacelle]

Trying a cc approach atm so went into slow and chill modes for now , iv moved the last three points in hs around so many times

[flint turret]

I was getting chill from umbrals spawned by shadows which are consumed by hs

[wraith nacelle]

Yea Iv tried to shoe horn in shadows before but at the moment shadow generation doesn’t feel great with out a lot of cdr or sync strike

[maiden gyro]

I have a 3lp frost helmet but I feel like switching my whole life around to make a frost build is just.. Meh lol.

[wraith nacelle]

If your talking about snow blind it’s common to find that helm with high lp just stash it and you might use it later for a different build

[flint turret]

It's decent with traversal smoke

And shadow on black arrow pickup

[maiden gyro]

Yes I am, I have a nicely rolled frozen quiver thing also but.. I want hail of arrows too work. I just need to get exalts at this point. Need the % elemental dot on my relic and neck, and then %hoa duration on helmet I think that's my most limiting factor atm.

[maiden gyro]

i am losing my mind over this exalt stuff ;-; its so hard to get a specific one lol

[dire forge]

oh don't worry ragna

it won't get better, what do u need anyway btw?

[maiden gyro]

as i typed that i got the helmet i needed lol

% increase to hoa duration lol

[dire forge]

oh complaining nearly always works so yeah gotta do that

got runes of havoc?

[maiden gyro]

not anymore

[dire forge]

ah then rip

[maiden gyro]

used them all tyrying to roll a bow to have good firepen and base fire attack

[dire forge]

wanted to recommend you put a t1 of this affix on a t7 item

and havoc it for t7 of what u want

[maiden gyro]

cant really find a glove thats useful besides my current exalts is the other issue besides these stupid rare ones..

and im frankly sick of chasing them

[potent rune]

You don't need those gloves grasp of blood will make you tanky until you can get whatever you want

[maiden gyro]

alright just so i can save my sanity, i cant slam other weapons into bows also?

correct*

[wraith nacelle]

When slamming the item has to be the same base like bow into bow or gloves into gloves

[maiden gyro]

yeah what i gathered. makes this far harder but meh

[wraith nacelle]

Figuring out how to use the crafting system efficiently helps a lot

[maiden gyro]

Yeah.... I don't lol.

Doesn't help I'm trying to get exalted fire pen and base fire damage because greedy.

Getting a 3 affix I want to slam is going to drive me insane.

[flint bough]

what are you guys up to this late in the season? I'm farming troves at 2k corruption trying to make money 🙂

[flint turret]

Most of people play 2 weeks tops. After 2 weeks 80% of players are gone. After a month 90%+ are gone

That's normal for seasonal arpgs

[flint bough]

well for me I'm enjoying content so I put in more than the average player 🙂

[maiden gyro]

cant make lethal mirage good can we...

[flint bough]

use shadow cascade instead 🙂

woohoo im steaming on creator channel! 🙂

[flint bough]

come watch me no mana regen shadow cascade

where u go

[flint turret]

it doesnt work for me

[flint bough]

no?

[kind atlas]

make some youtube vids for us as something fun to do late in the season. 2k farm, 5k shade

[flint bough]

what should I do differently?

@flint turret

[flint bough]

maybe. i havent posted a video on youtube in like 10 years lol

[kind atlas]

do iiiiit

[flint bough]

Ragulol has something against me. he's always saying what I'm doing is wrong or something

like he told me to get mana regen affixes when I dont need them

[flint bough]

come to my creator channel

and watch me farm troves

tell me if im doing anything wrong

[kind atlas]

im at work, can't really watch from here

[flint bough]

oh okay

[kind atlas]

i can pretend discord is work, looks legit (not really)

hehe

[flint bough]

lmfao

xD

spicorr is 5k corruption good at all? apparently not

[kind atlas]

yep its good, thats why i want vids

[flint bough]

then whats wrong with my build?

????

heh its ok

so for shade i have to avoid melee attack so its slow

[maiden gyro]

Doesn't make use of blade of chaos

[flint bough]

ohhh

[flint turret]

discord stream doesnt work for me bro

i cant even use it at all without vpn

[flint bough]

ohhh

[flint bough]

im sorry

[flint turret]

i like spamming sync on bosses because i like having wave of darkness, and it doesntt reall work well without mana regen

[flint bough]

ahhh thats what flick told me to do

[flint turret]

3 sync or 5 sync before shift is a big difference

and even more so if combined with dancing strikes

i know you can play without mana regen and without wave of darkness but whrn you start using it its too good qol to go back

[flint bough]

is there i can get mana regen switch for bossing?

5k shade is quite difficult

[flint turret]

dunno, at 5k you might as well go zhp on shade

you cant tank it anyway

smoke traversal for more silver maybe

some cdr on boots\belt

[flint bough]

i have 68% cooldown

[flint turret]

big

[flint bough]

but you should watch me do troves because i can comfortably do 2k without dying at all

so mapping isn't an issue

just shade

[flint turret]

ideally t5 on both rings and belt maybe

it scales pretty bad at t7

[flint bough]

ohh

[flint turret]

but its great as a secondary affix

[flint bough]

i just thought mana regen was a waste of affix slot because i didn't know it could be useful against shade

[flint turret]

t5 on amulet is good too

can also adjust sync manacost with sync manacost idols

and helm manacost affix

[flint bough]

i have two huge idols with 55% increased damage used by shadows on both

with the 32% sync efficiency

[flint turret]

idol can have 16% sync mana eff yeah

[flint bough]

i also have 1 with 20% elemental resistance

[flint turret]

helm t5 affix is another 20%

[flint bough]

the 32% is fine

i just have good mana returns from my setup

with the skills

[flint turret]

umbral return?

[flint bough]

yes

[flint turret]

makes sense

like i said it all comes down to the amount of syncs you can make between shifts

going from 2 to 4 is huge

ideally you should be able to just hold sync button

[flint bough]

you're talking about bossing still right

[flint turret]

and do eferyhing else between sync casts while its on cd

yeah

[flint bough]

okay so hold sync

[flint turret]

for maps uts mostly sync-sync-shift or sync-shift

[flint bough]

also cdr works on sync too

not just shift

[flint turret]

yeah it does

but it doesnt make sense if you cant hold sync

[flint bough]

what im currently doing on maps is sync - shift - sync - cascade

[flint turret]

cdr only comes into play of ypou can sustain mana for constant sync

[flint bough]

i understand

[flint turret]

if you are running out of mana it doesnt do anything really

well ofc we are talking about boss fight in a vacuum, in reality you will need less mana sustain that to hold sunc 24\7 because you will need to move anyway

[flint bough]

yep

[flint turret]

but doing 4-5 sync into shift is mostly doable

[flint bough]

is 68% cdr good?

there are some exalted with implicits for more cdr

[flint turret]

why 68

its 32 and 32

[flint bough]

meant 58

theres 12% on helmet and 10% on gloves i think

[flint turret]

hm exalted helm might actually be interesting but its too hard to get sdo im not really considering it

gorgon also has stun chance so its kinda nice too

[flint bough]

ah nice

[flint turret]

gloves lock you out of primordial

[flint bough]

which primordial should i use for boss fight?

[flint turret]

but it can work if you go t7 sync t7 cascade and t7 dancing i guess

dunno honestly i havent climed that high ever

im not that masochistic

[flint bough]

lol xD

[flint turret]

if you cant tank a hit anyway id recomennd going zhp at that point

[flint bough]

theres no hit i can tank

[flint turret]

that means all your defence does nothing anyway

[flint bough]

i have to attack him beforee he melee attacks me

then shift away

over and over

[flint turret]

and you can get only damage

[flint bough]

true

im at 5k health

the sparks get me

the comets

[flint turret]

sane persons dont really clinb 5k as a melee rogue so

[flint bough]

so im not sane?

[flint turret]

maybe just really dedicated, dunno

kekw

[eager mason]

I mean there is no point in cof

[flint turret]

bragging rights tho

[eager mason]

even in trade if you cant farm it fast it probably loses you money

[flint bough]

ragulol i was also doing confluence of oblivion

but im getting 1 hit there too

its the same story of both shade arenas

1 hit melee attack

[flint turret]

horizon is crazier than confluence imo

especially whendamage was bugged at the start of the season completly

[flint bough]

damn

ragulol have you done confluences?

[flint turret]

yeah sure but like i said i sont climb that high neither i minmax gear

i dislike the legendary system in le the most tbh. i never do high lp or double exalts

[flint bough]

ive slammed 77 on all my gear

[flint turret]

i would expect as much considering you got to 5k as a melee

[flint bough]

so basically confluence is 5 shades but with 1/5 health

they are good when you start dying to melee attack from regular shade

at like 2k corruption

[flint turret]

i found it more fun to "minmax" builds using only "ethical" gear meaning no double exalts slam and no lp chances highr than 1\100 or whatever

[flint bough]

ohhhh

did they used to have something similar to this when you started playing?

[flint turret]

when i started playing double exalts almost didnt exist and neither high lp items. BAck at that time i tried to avoid using legendaries at all. all my builds were using exalts almost exclusively

legendary system is better now ofc with a 100% slam but i still dislike it tbh

[eager mason]

we got a lot of power creep

[flint turret]

yeah

[eager mason]

until last league you wouldnt imagine getting double t7s

now we have imprints and guranteed slam

so its like day 3-4 gear now

[flint turret]

id argue with that but its definetly possible

[eager mason]

ngl loot was awful before cof

you can actually farm stuff now

[flint turret]

yeah i love cof even tho it has lots of things to improve still

[eager mason]

I remember empy trying to farm mourningfrost in dungeon for days

lp2 I think

[flint turret]

this season i got my first tongue at like lvl 92 btw even tho i used all ascendancies and prophesies of daggers

but then you imprint and it rains

kinda silly

[flint bough]

whats zhp?

forgot to ask

[eager mason]

zero hp

so full damage

I would go lowlife if you wanna do zhp tho

[flint turret]

yeah

even tho i kinda hate how it played out for me at uber

having x5 dps over hs but not being able to do shit to uber was to say the least annoying

i was mostly sure ill manage after i beat uber in 11+ min fight with hs, but 3 days of trying with ll cascade(with better gear) with close to 0 progress made me rethink my life choises

[potent rune]

Ngl rogue and mages need a buff i dislike most rogue builds ,like put gear for multishot and find it quite underwhelming,its likr need to watch guides to make something work as rogue

[eager mason]

they will fix bd next league Copium

[potent rune]

While Sentinel warpath erasing flay mana lich is pretty straightforward dont need guide

[eager mason]

I mean thats just skills being underpowered

[potent rune]

Same for hail arrows need a guide ,

[eager mason]

so if you dont build it optimally its never gonna work

[potent rune]

Only hearthseeker was working without a guide

[flint turret]

welp that was my bad, should have just gone with life version to begin with instead if i was aiming for uber... but i wanted to try LL and i guess i overestimated my ability to pilot it

[potent rune]

Yeah thats a problem need guide to make a skill work

[flint turret]

it would be fine with better slams i think but it wouldnt be ethical anymore

[potent rune]

I hope next bladedancer skill looks very fun and strong to play tried to do my own version and sucked a lot🤣 ,man dancing strikes sucks 2 second rhythm stacks with how long it takes the attack to go on so hard to keep them on

[eager mason]

yeah double t7s are pretty big

[flint turret]

yeah this is one of the skills that are at a super weird spot

if you can pilot it its op but if you dont you are doing nothing

[flint bough]

do you have a planner to shows zhp? I doubt i could get that all in the current MG this far out in the season

[potent rune]

From someone who wants to farm rogue gear for bd if its op who knows next season I will go heartseeker for farming I think its easiest to make work without guides maxroll and such

[flint turret]

no i dont play zhp builds. but in general just look at all your non-damage affixes slammed and all your items that give survuivability and think what could give you more damage if you replace them

you have quite a few hp slams if you are running 5k hp

replace with damage affixes, etc

[potent rune]

New chest allows for zhp and health stacking is strong

[flint turret]

hearseeker is probably my favorite rogue skill up to date

[potent rune]

24 Dr from passive tree zhp and bunch crit multi you can easily get 9k ward

[flint turret]

not weak, not op, great mechanics, versatile, just great overall

[potent rune]

Yeah I have to look a guide to try detonating arrow maybe with mana stacking melee version

[potent rune]

I wish the cold res penetration could be closer to what acid flask gets like its quite underwhelming node

[flint turret]

i prefered fire conversion even with row just to have dragon fang buff

single target dps remained the same but puncture got ~60 more flat damage

[flint bough]

whats the highest corruption you have farmed to? since you dont do zhp?

[potent rune]

The fire version is stronger than cold version right?

I just tried cold with winter bow it was good for the most part

[flint turret]

i dont go over 1500 i think it doesnt make sense really

[flint turret]

can go both ways depending o na setup

[flint bough]

doesnt rarity of items increase the more you farm?

[potent rune]

Corruption going up if you die often is not worth imo its only good for nemesis exalted 3-4 t7 drops

[flint turret]

it does, but if you start to farm slower it doesnt make sense because the favor doesnt scale almost at all

[potent rune]

Yeah you get more uniques that's it

[flint bough]

im zipping through 2k corruption right now thats my troves farming

[potent rune]

You do get a better odds for triple t7 at above 1k corr but its not like your odds are a lot better at 5k just 2k corr seems sweet spot for t7 3 or 4

[flint bough]

im farming troves in creator's channel if anyone interested 🙂

[faint quiver]

Click my link, it is updated. Fell in love with cinder strike and while it feels ok, I think it could be better. I'm only 54 so obviously I have a long way to go but I need to know how terrible or not so terrible my current choices are as far as passives and skill point placement go. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqdVYvPA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 53

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Marksman (46)

General:

▸ Health: 697, Regen: 18.92/s
▸ Mana: 121.77, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 11 Dex / 14 Int / 3 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 17% / 23% / 17% / 36% / 20% / 15% / 33%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 37%, Threshold: 139
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (105)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (206)
▸ Block Chance: 2%, Mitigation: 16% (66)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Cinder Strike / Shift / Decoy / Hail of Arrows

[solar latch]

@faint quiver can there be aoe marksman? my marksman did not finish campaign yet..

[sly hornet]

What do you mean by that?

[mortal storm]

Is it just me, or is puncture proccing on heartseeker kinda wonky? There are times when I kill an enemy with a single recurve, or even with zero, yet no punctures are used. Is there some issue with it, or am I just stupid?

[flint turret]

It triggers per enemy. If no enemies are nearby then there are no punctures fired

[mortal storm]

Nope, that is not the issue, plenty of enemies around (in campaign imperial era sewers, failes to proc on packs of grubs/worms/whatever they are).

But I might have figured it out - it seems to fail to proc if the enemy it was on is frozen, for some reason.

Despeced conversion and worked right, put it back (without freeze nodes and removed freeze gear), works more often, but not always, and from observation, freeze seems to be the culprit.

Gonna play a bit more and report a bug.

[flint turret]

Interesting, didn't know about this. Haven't used freeze. Sounds like a bug if it's the case

[faint quiver]

I use cinder strike and flame alchemist.

But I have no clue if it's any good because no one will bother to give me advice on my build that I linked.

[candid geode]

anyone able to help with balista build

[kind atlas]

4689c confluence, can still blast them down all at once

[visual needle]

good god that damage

[placid arch]

Morning all, quick question for the rogue experts out there. Anyone make a lightning Chakram build in season 3? That was one of my favorite builds pre launch and in 1.0 and just curious if anyone tried it now with the addition of primordial? Not sure if low life BD would be a good way to play, or if T8 lighting damage would be better?

[flint turret]

#🎥┃video-shoutout message

[placid arch]

Thanks!

[toxic swift]

I like wings of discord on my chakram character

[placid arch]

I remember this being discussed for shatterstrike as well. The biggest benefit of going low life BD is the mana on shift and the 80% crit multi. How do you sustain mana without the shift low life mana gain? Jsut throw single chakram to gain mana back?

[rugged pollen]

eh

the biggest benefit of going lowlife is the bigger EHP pool

mana on shift and 80% crit multi are nice side effect imo

[placid arch]

I guess 80% crit multi isn’t all that much in the grand scheme of things but the triple mana back on shit is nice, atleast when I played acid flask trap build. Although I didn’t have the mana on potion on boots never did farm that

[rugged pollen]

yeah, all the on pot effect are actually very good if your build can take advantage of them

[potent rune]

You need mana gain when you use potion affix you need it specially for acid flask as well as throwing damage,80 crit multi its pretty good for being low life ,having 7 to 9k ward its a lot of ehp but also dont forget you get 24 Dr from being low life that's pretty huge.

This only reason I would go bd anyway

[toxic swift]

Death's Door still pairs well with Wings of Discord's first hit damage reduction

I find that while LL's high HP pool is nice, it's not as reliable as a decent life setup because you can't regenerate the ward very quickly without some heavy in investment in ward generation, and you get absolutely destroyed by DoTs

At least that's been my experience

[storm glade]

I think if you go low life / deaths door on blade dancer you should probably go architects of astral blood

With it and gloves you get the ward generation you need

[rugged pollen]

brace yourself

paradox falconer is coming

[dire forge]

As we've talked before, that acid flask is capable of much more than UB falc / shadow cascade BD, only ballista zhp is better dps-wise than this

[kind atlas]

ballista is better? actually never seen anyone minmax it before

[potent rune]

Ward is straight up better than hp and the dr applying is great specially if you pair it with red rings and such you take very little damage while mapping

Ballista zhp is the best dps rogue has no,got no changes still op🤣

[placid arch]

I forgot about the DR!

[placid arch]

There’s a guy I think it’s Drall who has a ballista build min maxed to the max. He’s always online when I play letting ppl join him and 3-5k corruption

[kind atlas]

Can you ask him what his uber kill time is?

[placid arch]

What do you mean by this? Like using deaths door even if you aren’t a low life build bc you can get the benefit for 5 seconds anytime you hit low life?

[toxic swift]

Yeah

[placid arch]

He doesn’t kill Uber lol. Everytime I mention killing uber he says “that’s not my cup of tea”

So maybe he can’t….kill uber?

[stable anchor]

it actually got buffed due to the change to minion power

[toxic swift]

Wings reduces the first hit, which could get you to LL, then you have death's door reducing the rest

[placid arch]

Ahhh so you can take some bigger initial hits

But on an uber fight that would only work for one single hit and never reset yeah?

And your endurance kicks in too

[stable anchor]

people generally don’t really do uber on ballista but i have and with 2t7s it would should be 30-40s depending on how well you play the harbingers

[potent rune]

True new relic

I have to make one day a ballista build although I hate dying i think everything just insta dies right

[stable anchor]

i’m talking about minion power getting buffed from 45% more damage at level 100 to 60. roughly a 10% net damage gain. but yes primordials help too

[potent rune]

I mean the trex is insane for ballista

You get a lot of penetration and attack speed

Specially attack speed

[stable anchor]

you have to play around silver shrouds but it’s honestly not as bad as it seems due to the high range, damage and auto targeting. and you have high silver shrouds uptime

[potent rune]

Just use the chest that gives ward its insane paired with all the dr that you have as rogue

[kind atlas]

Is drall his user name? We can look him up on letools

[toxic swift]

yeah it's not as useful for uber

I don't really aim to do Uber with my chakram BD, so Wings is great for monos

[stable anchor]

bina’s kill of uber with ballista was 1:30 and that’s with maxroll endgame planner, so fairly little LP on items and only single t7s

and ballista scales extremely hard with 2t7s due to it having strong dex and int scaling

[kind atlas]

1.30 with single t7 is pretty fast

[toxic swift]

makes game announcement
#general becomes unusable
😔

[placid arch]

I don’t even understand that whole announcement, the roadmap just says season 4 and 5 are coming, no information or timing, and then expansion after. Unless the little season 4 and 5 picture is supposed to mean something?

[cobalt mantle]

The announcement was mainly to say the monetization stuff

But yeah, the images are teasers. S4 looks somewhat like the Observer's windows and S5 looks like Morditas to me.

[toxic swift]

people just like to be mad all the time and to yap about it. especially if they don't even play the game. even better if you have next to no concrete details because then you can be mad about everything

[stable anchor]

a tale as old as time

[toxic swift]

truly

[stable anchor]

although this time seems particularly bad, even ask the devs looks like a hellscape rn

[toxic swift]

it's wild too. they even said the expac would be free, but people are losing their minds over a paid class they know nothing about

can't please anyone smh

[stable anchor]

one or the other probably had to be paid to keep things going based on Judd's last post before this one. I prefer a paid class but i can see why people would prefer the expansion be paid. there was bound to be a bunch of outrage either way

[toxic swift]

In rogue news, I started working on a harmony of the first falconer, but I'm not really convinced that it would be better than a standard falconer setup

[kind atlas]

harmony info comes out, everyone loses their mind. in reality, literally 0 builds made that have any significance at all.

[next gale]

How bad is 761 hp at level 56

I'm kind of getting one shotted now all of a sudden so I'm trying to figure out whether it's cause of my HP or my other stats

[next gale]

other stats in question

[stable anchor]

it depends on the build but yea that’s pretty low

you also have 0% phys res when phys is the most important in the game

[toxic swift]

yeah I thought people were wild for thinking it would be busted. I can barely find a use case for it

[kind atlas]

even as a levelling item, not used. because thorns chest too stronk

[next gale]

I see, i'll try to get those numbers up then. Should I get better armor pieces from farming mobs/bosses and nemesises or are there some vendors that I can buy some decent gear from somewhere

[flint turret]

Wtf are those paradox classes

You can't just say stuff like that while giving literally 0 info

[plush maple]

They said season 4 and 5 will come before the expansion and the new classes, they also said season 5 is late 2026, so maybe we will only get to know paradox classes a year from now? 🙁

I am curious also, but i think this will take a while.

[stable anchor]

only merchant’s guild has access to buying gear, and that is trade via other players, not vendors. if you are not MG then all your gear is drops and prophecies

[kind atlas]

where did it say late 2026 for s5?

[plush maple]

They said "We’ll also have more to reveal about Season 5 as we move later into 2026".

[kind atlas]

later doesnt mean late though

if it actually is like q3 q4, that's so far away

[plush maple]

That's true.

[kind atlas]

and that means s4 is lmore like march/april

which is terrible

[plush maple]

S4 they said "is slated for early 2026"

[kind atlas]

yeah that's extremely vague also

[plush maple]

Which i guess will be January or February?

[kind atlas]

that's q1

jan-april

its looking less like jan now, from the wording of that annoucment (hope to be proven wrong)

hope its jan, feb should be out coz of poe1, march is way too far away

[rugged pollen]

March should be poe2 new league

[pine hatch]

Explosive ballista Falconer about 30 secs on Uber

[kind atlas]

damn, that's good

[kind atlas]

are there any videos on bilibili with 30-40s kill speed?

[flint turret]

I dunno, paid experimental classes sound weird ngl. Even the existing ones are full of bugs and the balance is off, but making people pay for a bugged class is questionable

Gotta wait and see how it will turn out I guess

[boreal walrus]

[placid arch]

I’m still happy with the game! I’ve been playing for over 4 years and I’ve only had to spend $35, I’d pay $100 more for more exciting content. I think it’s deserved with how much time I’ve gotten out of the game

[placid arch]

I agree completely, I’d pay money for a new class in a heartbeat but if it releases and main aspects of the character don’t work….. that will be extremely upsetting. Like if they release a cool melee class and half the frenzy stuff doesn’t work….. 😠

[rugged pollen]

you know what can be funny

imagine the first paradox class comes out and being absolute omega OP

ppl will start shouting p2w class or whatever tf

BUT

then it turns out the OP was due to a bug

then after the 2nd wave of buyer already paid their money to experience the new shiny OP class

they fix the bug

😂

that would be hilarious

it wouldnt surprise me if this actually happen in the future

based on what happened in the past

[kind atlas]

i would say this exact scenario has about a 80% chance of happening

[rugged pollen]

yeah 🤣

thank god GGG actually delivered with POE2 so it can fill the rpg void in me

or i'd be very sad

[flint turret]

Yeah it looks weird. I don't see a win scenario tbh with the new classes. If they are weak people who bought them will cry, if they are op, people who didn't buy will cry. I don't believe that they are gonna be balanced at all because balance has never been a thing in le. But if we consider it from a standpoint when it's either paid dlc or paid classes, I guess paid classes are a "softer" approach because you still get all content and you don't lose anything by not paying more

[rugged pollen]

even if we put aside the balance issue

they simply would need to make the new class more "fun" than the old ones

and then they'll be locking fun behind a paywall

whatever they do, promise has been broken

neccesassry but nonetheless broken

and then what happen next if the new class just doesnt sale as much as they expect

[flint turret]

Too many variables to predict atm. But it will be interesting to see how it will unfold

[rugged pollen]

yeah, if they can deliver the next 2 seasons before expansion drop,i think everyone will gladly spend money to buy the DLC

i'd say the next 2 seasons will decide the fate of LE

[topaz schooner]

Alright so what the actual f are these boys doing at EHG

They can't even launch a single class without loads of bugs and misleading tooltips, how are they going to sell a DLC class. Clown behavior

[flint turret]

Dlc will be free tho

[flint turret]

Tested and fixed by ai

[topaz schooner]

Do they even have QA

[flint turret]

They are bringing back CBT or so I've heard

[topaz schooner]

CBT only to ignore feedback from actual testers

people reporting bugs that still aren't fixed how many patches later

testers, youtubers

Just thinking about this, if you as a content creator post a video of a class, a PAID dlc class, and you talk about how amazing it is, you basically sell the class to someone, and then that class gets nerfed because its op, now someone is buying something that doesn't match what they were sold

Its just a terrible idea, I can't think of a single game that's sold classes separately that's worked

[flint turret]

League doing pretty good

[topaz schooner]

lol true mobas do that

but you can earn those characters by playing, no?

through blue essence

[flint turret]

I get the sentiment, but this can be said about the game in general at any given time, if it's subject to change. New season comes out, you don't like it, and technically you bought something that doesn't match what you were sold too

[flint turret]

Okay.... Hero siege. Even tho I kinda hate the devs and the game in general after 2.0

[topaz schooner]

funny you mention that https://steamcommunity.com/app/269210/eventcomments/690868131878423336/

[flint turret]

And it's small, so might not be the best comparison

[topaz schooner]

btw I meant ARPG games, i didn't mean literally all games

but

[flint turret]

I dunno. They needed something to monetize on outside of skins no one is buying, so... Paid dlc would meet more resistance than paid classes Imo

[topaz schooner]

i play fighting games and those are all p2w lolol

[topaz schooner]

Well if the MTX wasn't dog maybe people would buy them

its some of the ugliest MTX i've ever seen

its like they just took someone with entry level blender knowledge and said "make us some skins"

[flint turret]

Maaaaybe... But I still think wast majority cares only about something that contributes to gameplay

[topaz schooner]

Tbh I'm not a huge fan of the paid MTX in PoE that does mechanical things, like telling you when you crit, when you block, etc

I just think its skirting the line

like there's an MTX that straight up tracks rares and uniques for you and tells you where they are on the screen

and in a game with horrible clutter like poe 1

its op

[flint turret]

I'm not talking about that, but rather stash tabs

[topaz schooner]

Yeah stash tabs are comparable

but

stash tabs have always been a problem

before premium tabs we used the forum to sell

[flint turret]

You would need at least double the price of le in coins for poe to buy the somewhat comfortable amount of tabs to play

[topaz schooner]

You can get the comfortable amount of tabs to play with the $30 entry cost lol

quad, frag tab, map, currency, 6 merchant tabs, 6 normal tabs, you're pretty much set in todays meta

that's like $30 right

[flint turret]

No I don't think so

Lemme double check

[cobalt mantle]

Maybe on one of the 50% off sales?

[topaz schooner]

MAP STASH TAB IS 15 BUCKS?

oh hell na

[flint turret]

Yep

[topaz schooner]

that's like $60 what i just listed

[flint turret]

Like I said

[flint turret]

20% max

[topaz schooner]

currency + frag is 15 bucks, quad is 15 bucks, map 15 bucks, merchant tab 20 bucks, 6 normal 15 bucks

[cobalt mantle]

Is that how it goes? Been a minute lol

[topaz schooner]

$80 😵

[flint turret]

And poe1 had lots of specialized tabs also

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, and PoE has had the issue of growing clutter and adding new specialty tabs for it

[topaz schooner]

yeah i dont think you need a single one in todays meta due to async + exchange

I barely used my specialized tab this league lol

oh god div card tab

ok thats only 50 points

i was gonna sya i forgot that one, thats mandatory for sure

[flint turret]

So like I said you are expected to pay x2-x3 in poe compared to buying le

[topaz schooner]

yeah i misjudged by a lot

but I think my standard of what is "playable" is different as someone with nearly 10k hours in poe

vs someone starting

they might not know of the things they're missing out on

i.e not having a quad

I've always said since the beginning that GGG should give new players a currency tab and a map tab for getting to maps

since 80% of players dont even get to maps

[flint turret]

Anyway, looking forward for bd changes in s4

Praying that new skill would be as good as hs

[topaz schooner]

I think it'll be good. Hows life doing in current meta?

havent played last 2 seasons ngl conflicted with poe or pd2

[atomic vapor]

This made me laugh so hard

[topaz schooner]

I miss the SSF experience of cof

[atomic vapor]

Actually probably true

[flint turret]

I don't mind ai at all tho

It helps tremendously with coding

[topaz schooner]

my work encourages employees to use AI because they have some sort of contract with microsoft

[atomic vapor]

Me neither but either way I don't expect s4 to pop off based on what they announced.

[topaz schooner]

i don't understand it because of the IP concerns with using public databases like that

[flint turret]

Primordials were nice, but could be better. The most interesting ones are underperforming

Like bleed and ignite proliferation

[atomic vapor]

I just don't really care about all that anymore. there should've been imo clear content drop info in the announcement

[flint turret]

Lowlife setups were made much easier to start playing

[topaz schooner]

What enabled that?

[flint turret]

New body armor that is x2 times better than exsang

40%

[atomic vapor]

New body armor is big big yeah

One of the better prims

[topaz schooner]

Ah primordial

Oh yeah thats really good

[atomic vapor]

But regardless I don't know. game just needs more

Maybe it's me being burned out

[topaz schooner]

Is primodrial basically just metamorph ragu?

[flint turret]

Metamorph+beasthunt kinda yeah

[topaz schooner]

what was in the season before primordial?

i got a bit i need to catch up on

for this new season

last i played was woven echoes season

[flint turret]

I was hyped a lot(and lots of people) for dot proliferation tech from primordials but they turned out to be pretty bad

Even tho ignite prolif was my favorite thing in poe

[topaz schooner]

not surprising considering how dots work in this game

since its basically poisons from poe

ignite prolif still goated ngl

and elementalist kinda best class in the game now

I did a lot of viper strike mamba once I got MB this league and wow the prolif on that feels incredible. basically feels like very high end ignite prolif

[flint turret]

https://youtu.be/TQlWmuqkaA0?si=arnUBJKm34k_dKoZ

Too bad it's not the case for le

[topaz schooner]

dude

the AOE is nuts thats going to be broken if they buff it

[atomic vapor]

how long would you guys say it takes to go 0-maeve no trade? I work a lot these days and I wouldn't wanna care to involve in market bs

I'm not saying ssf because it'd probably be in a party

Maven*

Jesus keyboard

[flint turret]

It's working as intended

[topaz schooner]

0 to normal maven?

[atomic vapor]

0 to giga maven I guess

[topaz schooner]

are you doing a challenge or actually need something from her

[atomic vapor]

For the sake of seeing all content without involving in the horrendous trading system

If that makes sense

[flint turret]

You don't need Uber versions to see all content

[topaz schooner]

well

[atomic vapor]

I know me. I wouldn't stop

[topaz schooner]

if you want to see ALL content ssf

then you'd have to run t17s

[atomic vapor]

So one season isn't enough, so standard league

Gotcha

[topaz schooner]

are you new to poe or have experience? i.e how long does it take to level to maps

[atomic vapor]

Last I played Poe was 3 billion years ago but I played every arpg under the sun

[topaz schooner]

you'd pick it up quick

to get to just maven SSF i'd say between 40-50 hours

uber maven maybe 100ish

depends on your build and how you progress tbh

[atomic vapor]

I just wanted a rough ballpark of how feasible it'd be to gear up solo today

[topaz schooner]

map progression can be a slog for new players until it clicks

[atomic vapor]

Assume most meta cracked build

[topaz schooner]

on the most meta build like 2-3 weeks prob

[atomic vapor]

Tempting

Doesn't sound horribad

[topaz schooner]

you could definitely get it done by next LE launch

which is prob late dec

unless theres a release date I havent seen yet

[flint turret]

I'm 900h in poe1 and haven't done any Uber because I was playing somewhat self-cooked off meta stuff like ignite arc

[atomic vapor]

I'm not playing most likely, I'm all LE'd out for now

[topaz schooner]

you said you're playing groupsf?

[atomic vapor]

Yeah I was thinking what if I blasted Poe with the boys and see how far I can push

But it's still in the realm of just an idea

[flint turret]

Early 2026 I believe

[topaz schooner]

i'd say go for it but I highly recommend looking at poe ninja

[atomic vapor]

Yeah I've been doctored

[topaz schooner]

do you have a friend that plays in the group?

if so then your progression will be MUCH faster

poe is extremely hard to get into without having someone help guide you

but tbh current state of the game especially including the league right now

VERY ssf friendly

the current league adds a tree that is quite literally the most powerful SSF crafting tool in poe existance

even stronger than harvests height

[atomic vapor]

None of my friends have played in a while either sadly

I guess I'll have to give it some thought

(also sorry I'm at work and I keep having to go afk)

[topaz schooner]

I'd say definitely check it out. Its a lot more interesting because you can have each person in the group doing different things toward the same goal, because there are a LOT of things you need in SSF

bubblegum currency is sooo important for crafting and in general so red and blue altars are extremely good, but for alchs and such you'll want to run expedition, gives tons of bubble gum

SSF is a different beast, way harder

groupsf is something i've always dreamed of but none of my friends want to leave SC 💤

[atomic vapor]

ngl that actually sounds amazing, man I'm actually considering this

I'm annoyed when an arpg devolves into a single corridor brainless farming for the entire loot pool

No slander towards d2 endgame but it is what it is

[topaz schooner]

lol yeah i always end up doing goldfind barb on PD2

its so fun

and you always need gold for your mapper

usually start league with cold sorc, farm for goldfind barb, make barb, farm gold, then start to gear high investment sorc, maybe 15HR or so, then i just map on sorc

i wish the meta for d2 wasn't just torch spam but is what it is

[topaz schooner]

yeah groupfindsf would be so good. One guy on essence farming duty, someone on bubble gum duty (expedition) someone on map farming duty for future mapping strats, someone on a bosser for killing bosses for the group, and of course you guys can all build towards crazy syngery builds like an aurabot, curse bot, cullbot, DPS, etc. Its my dream way of playing poe but no one is down for it out of all my friends that play poe lol

[flint turret]

So far the best experience I had in poe is 1-tapping the entire wave of eternal realm including generals with a single vaal arc

Potion to reset vaal skill and repeat

Can't think of something similar in le sadly

[topaz schooner]

Dude there's a new buff they did to legion with something called Eternal Conflict and it essentially lets you pop legion multiple times. No one runs it at all but its so sick with certain builds

there's a dude I was talking to that was running a shrine stacking build with a new unique on spark

[flint turret]

Yeah regular legion encounter has even less range so one- hitting that most of explode builds can do

I have no intention to go back to poe1 tho, I don't see a point. Le for now and poe2 on its later stages probably

[topaz schooner]

I'll check out druid when it drops on the 12th of dec in poe 2

but otherwise dont see myself playing it until towers are reworked

endgame in poe 2 is pain rn

even worse than LE's first iteration of echoes

[flint turret]

But they were reworked no?

[topaz schooner]

No they were basically bandaided

they still functionally are the same they just have less restrictions

there's a meta where you have to use a stupid expensive item that lets you jump between towers so that you have as much juice as possible

so its still the whole fomo wanting to path certain ways so you dont use all your maps pathing to the tower trying to optimize it

[flint turret]

Gladly le doesn't have rarity quantity bullshit especially on gear

[topaz schooner]

also that

rarity stacking is horrible FOMO in poe 2 as well

even worse than poe 1 since rarity doesnt convert drops to currency

like it does in poe 2

cannot stand MF stacking

hated it in d2

hate it in poe

[flint turret]

Mf is cancer yeah

[rugged pollen]

eh

poe2 tower is gone now

[topaz schooner]

its very much not gone

well in 0.3 i mean

[rugged pollen]

but it is

since 0.3.1

im playing rn

[topaz schooner]

wait they changed the endgame a month after 0.3?

i quit a month in never went back

[rugged pollen]

i figured

in fact, the week after the 0.3.1 patch might be the best period of time ever for a poe2 mapper

since you can take advantage of both the "legacy" juiced tower, and the new juicing system

[topaz schooner]

what is the new system?

did they just bring back poe 1 mechanics because it works?

classic

[rugged pollen]

kinda

i dont really play POE1 so cant tell in detail

but now isntead of putting 3 tablets on a tower to juice surrounding maps

you put 3 tablets straight into the map you choose

kinda like scarabs?

the scale for juicing is lower, but you no longer have to chase tower

[topaz schooner]

so scarabs with extra steps

[rugged pollen]

0.4 will come with massive endgame overhaul tho

[kind atlas]

as in for content creators?

[next gale]

Is there a better helmet than calamity for marksman builds that deal fire damage?

[stable anchor]

can you be more specific about your build? there’s an exalt base with fire res and crit multi

[rugged pollen]

there should be

calamity is not that good

[boreal walrus]

Halooooooo

[flint turret]

For... Someone... I don't know how to apply so can't say for sure

[kind atlas]

dragon visage can be good as an exalt. i made this but didnt end up using it for either mapping or boss setup

i ended up using seed for mapping and peak for uber kill

[flint turret]

I love sealing crit per dagger at t1

It's almost as good as t5

[placid cairn]

Can Heartseeker be reduced to 0 mana cost?

[toxic swift]

Yes, with Drelkor's bow

[flint bough]

@bold brook hey I have a question

anyone here? 🙂

[maiden gyro]

define here

[flint bough]

hey Ragna 🙂

I have a question about wave of darkness

if you know anything about that passive 🙂

[maiden gyro]

nope but ill be honest this game is pretty straight forward with wording

so can probably just copy paste it and i can figure it out unless its like a typo because translation

[bold brook]

i might be able to answer

[flint bough]

I have not used wave of darkness because of the mana cost but I am having a lot of trouble killing shade. Should I get wave of darkness boss switch?

[bold brook]

i would give building around it a try, its very good for dps

[flint bough]

ive been doing fine clearing maps at 5k corruption. would this be a good time to switch to it? I might need to get a lot of mana regen

[bold brook]

honestly you have much more experience than i at this point haha, if i were you i would give it a try for a bit, you can always respec later if you dont like it

[flint bough]

what i dont have is a skill issue. I am not a master at this game but I adapt

also my other question is does mana efficiency for sync strike take away some of the mana cost or is it always 5 per shadow?

[bold brook]

i would assume it doesnt affect the 5 per shadow, but honestly i have no idea. its still a very good stat even if it doesnt

[flint bough]

thanks i will try it out

[flint bough]

I'm liking it. I am wondering if if there is a way I can use sync strike while holding down flurry?

[dire forge]

what the hail, 20 MIL for that?????

[toxic swift]

it's a really solid fire flask helm with all desirable affixes, especially on the two exalted affixes

[dire forge]

makes sense yep

makes me wanna cook sth like that now lol

[toxic swift]

get in the kitchen chef

[dire forge]

oh hell i do

hell's kitchen is back with some more delicious meals

and screaming inbetween

[bold brook]

i dont think theres a way to do that, but im not an avid flurry user

[flint turret]

You are getting 6 mana back per shadow so it is still net positive

I haven't used flurry with it too but I'm sure you can hold sync with dancing strikes

[celest spire]

Do we revolt if we dont get a marksman rework next patch?

[topaz schooner]

If it actually does what it says lol

[maiden gyro]

Touched I guess.

[flint turret]

why would marksman need rework tho

[mellow void]

does taking the flurry channel node lock me out of any other specific nodes?

[sacred meteor]

Hello. I play shadow cascade bladedancer. I am trying a low life build but for some reason every time i hit enemies I leech health. I have 0 leach on my items and I do not have passive nodes or skills nodes that should provide any health or leech on hit. i stripped myself naked with just a white dagger in my hand and i still leech on hit. where is this leech coming from and how do i get rid of it?

Reset the masteries, 0 points allocated, only a dagger in my hand and the architect of blood as body armor (for low health) and I still leech on hit. wtf!

[sacred meteor]

it seems shadow cascade even witbhout specialization have a leech on it. weird

[zenith bridge]

Maybe a leech blessing active? Life on hit resource? Life on shadow creation?

[dire forge]

You sent 3 messages in a row yet no planner which we could check to tell you where's the leech coming from

Maybe in fast SC has some weird ass secret leech

[potent rune]

Idol that gives you health when you kill mobs or hit mobs is usually guilty about this

[dire forge]

Vanquisher?

Could be this yep

[sacred meteor]

It is actually your low life build from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX4AAEYSIig BTW thank you for sharing that. Amazing work.

[sacred meteor]

You commented that it is the doom proc on the shyphon ring that leads to that leech, but I do not have that and have the leech even naked.

[dire forge]

Planner where

Or character name + account name

[sacred meteor]

i am playing offline

I will try to fill a planner and share

As @zenith bridge pointed out I do in fact have a blessing of 2% melee dmg leech. It could be that. I will try to change blessing and see if it persists

[dire forge]

Well it's probably that then

[sacred meteor]

Yes, probably

[dire forge]

If you're wearing no idols, no items, no passives

Then only blessings remain

[sacred meteor]

It must be it, yes

[dire forge]

There's your solution then 😄

[sacred meteor]

also when naked only shadow cascade which is melee procced leech and not umbral blade which is throwing i guess

Problem solved it seems then

thanks to everyone for giving their feedback

[dire forge]

Yep umbral is a throwing attack so melee shit doesn't apply

[cobalt mantle]

You can still have LE Tools import offline chars from your save files btw, it's just a bit more tedious to find your char since the file name doesn't match the character name

[wraith nacelle]

@flint turret I tried shadows/dusk shroud staking with traversal smoke like you suggested and was able to push 200 more C (2756C now) with Cold HS. I hadn't previously realized that traversal smoke cut the cooldown in half I was trying to do it as normal smoke before

[flint turret]

Huge. Even tho I belive hs is not suitable for those corr numbers

[wraith nacelle]

Yea those are absolute push numbers if you don't get a good shade right away it is tough getting to the edge trying to find a decent one . I do think 1500 is a sustain farm number though instead of 1000 like I was doing

[flint turret]

Yeah that's more than enough anyway. It's a great build to play with, very pleasant

[kind atlas]

2.7k heartseeker seems pretty damn good, would love to see a video of that

[void cargo]

For low life bladedancer, this freez rate looks sweet

[quartz gust]

The main reason you'd want those boots is for the "Missing Health Gained as Ward" and "Health Lost per second"

[flint turret]

These boots are not that relevant anymore

For melee there are new boots with more damage or at least doom ones and for throwing there are razors

[void cargo]

My Blader🥰

[void cargo]

i totaly forgto when u get this open?

[zenith bridge]

Completing your first Cemetery by defeating the boss. Next portal out will bring you to Haven.

[void cargo]

got it

is ther like max shadow limit?

something i rember there is limit but not sure

not coming more when 4 damn i was alrdy hyped

[zenith bridge]

7 is max i guess

[void cargo]

when im using syn strike its coming still 4 out

[zenith bridge]

yea sync strike will either generate 2 or 4 shadows. But your max shadow limit is 7.
3 by default + 2 from BD + 2 from T8 champion affix

[void cargo]

hmm maybe i sould add smoke bomb to setup again interesting

i have a idea damn i hope it will work

omg its dope alrdy

[wraith nacelle]

Sorry iv never recorded anything I can share a planner if you like but I don’t have a vid

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Eyeofsuede/character/TheSuedeEye

[void cargo]

this

and this

so my total dps is then 45k+ others bonuses or im wrong batch?

so syn strike give me 4 shados so its like 180k dps correct?

[cobalt mantle]

No, since you're not directly using those skills constantly. Additionally, there may be things not accounted for in the tooltips or wrongly accounted for (for example, shadow daggers tooltip scales with cast speed, but you can't cast it).

[void cargo]

Tell me then why they are using umbrella blade ?It must be scaling togthere with shadows

I don’t get it

[flint turret]

That wasn't the point. The point was that the DPS number is not representative in terms of actual DPS so you can't compare skills based on DPS. What you can do however, is to check the relative changes of the DPS number in the boundaries of a single skill when you change gear to see if it goes up or goes down. If it goes up, it's good, if it goes down, it's bad. It's not always the case, and there are exceptions like above-mentioned cast speed for shadow daggers, but it's still the only way to make use of the DPS number imo

If you want to measure your actual DPS, the best thing I found to measure it with was to measure the time it takes me to burn through a dummy hp bar(or 10-20-whatever % of it)

[cobalt mantle]

Ragulol is right.
But to answer your other question, they are probably using umbral blades primarily to apply stacks of shadow daggers. If you're following a build, hopefully they explain the exact combo(s) to use to make the most of your shadows, etc.

[void cargo]

Im not following just was butting something together, little bit this and that, whats seems logic( both shadows skills was logic, but its going far beyond how skills works each others, time to check dps dummy, its sucks like u don’t see you’re real dps like in poe1/2, need dps check dummy all the time

[flint turret]

Poe 1 and 2 has it even worse if we exclude pob

It doesn't even have a dummy

But having something pob-like would be a pure blessings for any game ngl

[flint turret]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but if you are seeing shadow daggers as a "shadow" skill, then you are probably understanding it wrong. Shadow daggers don't have anything to do with damage increased by shadows as it's basically an non-damage ailment that triggers "your" shadow daggers attack every 4th stack

It's the same with a umbrals from a bird thing, bird throws "your" umbrals, it doesn't have its own

[void cargo]

Shadow daggers lethal darknes saying when using daggers, so all passive not on this skills should works every dagger

[flint turret]

Only this passive needs you to have a dagger yes, you can apply shadow daggers from other sources regardless of having a dagger

[void cargo]

So when wearing dagger this skills will support others skills with dmg, armor shred what ever

Yehh I’m in right patch?

Path*

[flint turret]

I don't follow anything about your path except you are trying shadow daggers so can't really tell

[void cargo]

I’m not using shadow dagger skills at all, it’s only because of this note using daggers

It’s not on my skill bar

So when lethal darkness prox, then all points in shadow daggers working with it

[flint turret]

Shadow daggers isn't even a skill it's an attack triggered by an ailment

You can't have it on a bar

[flint turret]

What "points" are you referring to?

[void cargo]

I’ll be home in 3 hrs then can check

[zenith sequoia]

idk if anyone wants to explore this and find something but if you take the detonating arrow node in Explosive trap and make it melee, then take the apply trap on melee node you can loop explosive traps with only casting a couple times.

[keen snow]

Looks sweet

[zenith sequoia]

yeah, I just don't know what you'd do with it

[keen snow]

The propagation is a bit on the slow side for an autobomber/speedfarmer type setup

[potent rune]

Idk what they did to detonating arrow when it was op but I would like to see if it can one shot bosses with the kind of gear we have access now

As a melee with the daggers,does anyone know if anything of the buffs you get from concentration apply if you are wearing anything except the bow its kinda hard to get useful nodes as a melee character marksman

[stable anchor]

it can one shot uber bro

and no concentration does not work if you are not wielding a bow

[potent rune]

Then time to put to use those 4 lp daggers🫡

Ty

[potent rune]

Do you know if you have to mana stacking with that to one shot

[stable anchor]

yeah it’s mana stacking and it’s selfcast with bow

it’s a zhp build with trash mapping but it can oneshot uber

[kind atlas]

the one shot uber build doesn't use daggers, that old jelkhor build got butchered pretty bad but it's still kinda functional

snowyz did a post nerf jelkhor normal abby kill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH6qInR249k

[stable anchor]

and they’re gonna nerf mana cost even more again as if blast rain wasn’t bad enough already

[rugged pollen]

i wouldnt say it got "butchered"

more like getting snapped back to reality

aka bug fixed

[potent rune]

I dont think rogue needs any nerfs apart from acid flask traps interaction being broken but again apart from falconer from past cycles I think rogue can have a busted skill 😅

[void cargo]

Zhp is busted one guy is corrupted 30k seasonal live server

They should buff little bit dive bomb I like it, got 5 characters with different dive bomb setups🥰

[sly hornet]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[jaunty citrus]

question, i got a huge stash of gear (not seasonal) and using it to play rouge for the first time. Is there a build you would recommend to kill Uber with, no focus on mapping. Never killed Uber but farm 2K a bit with reflect Pally. I'm a Dad throwing time at the problem instead of fast reaction times. Was thining of trying ZHP for fast kill? Or a different class?

[sly hornet]

I think the easiest time you’ll have with Uberoth would likely be on a Sentinel tbh

Rogue you need to play quite well generally to get the kill

[stable anchor]

having killed uber with every mastery, bear beastmaster or abom necro are the easiest.

as rogues go, acid flask is very good for it and hail of arrows is pretty good as well. detonating arrow is a possibility if you go zhp

[flint bough]

I want to take my point out of molting for more cdr. Is this safe at high corruption?

[dire forge]

if u like dying to degens which you wouldn't be able to heal then you're welcome haha

[sly hornet]

Bear and Abom are both very busted builds with insane damage

[void cargo]

Bladedancer it’s easy tho kill Uber to

[tacit umbra]

Hello, this is my very first build in last epoch. Going for Dual-wield Bleed Bladedancer. Spent dozens of hours playing and trying different things, but this character is still too weak. Horrible damage and low survival on Corruption 100 monolith. Any ideas to make the build viable for end-game contents?

Here’s the build: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkLLEYaB

Posted my question on Last Epoch forum, but not sure if lots of people are there. If you don't want to clutter this channel, it's better to follow this link to post your answers: https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/need-help-with-improving-this-bleed-bladedancer-build/80228

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 90

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (62) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,895, Regen: 18.6/s
▸ Mana: 115.46, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 7%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 18 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 74% / 85% / 96% / 69% / 98% / 78%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 696
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (0)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (525)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 95%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 83%

Used skills:

Puncture / Acid Flask / Shift / Synchronized Strike / Decoy

[sly hornet]

Not really familiar with Rogue in general or bleed builds but all your gear is really bad so I am not surprised you’re struggling and tbh I am quite surprised you even got into Emopwered Monos with that gear.

Your weapon is a low level so getting 1 or 2 LP should be very easy

[flint turret]

You don't have a skill with a decent amount of "more" modifiers to actually apply bleed with in this

You probably should look into cascade, lethal mirage, shurikens or umbrals

They all have a decent amount of more multipliers to boost your bleed damage

Well yeah and gear sucks big time

You will most likely need all bleed uniques, dual swords and bleed per sword affixes on gear /passives/idols

Also using primo bleed gloves to convert the rest

[tacit umbra]

@flint turret ok, I'm planning to build around Bleed Shadow Cascade (SC), but I have a couple of questions about it:

• If my Shadows deal Bleed with SC, would that Bleed damage be increased by "X% increased damage dealt by shadows" stat?

• If I invest in Throw Dagger spec of SC (say, throw 7 dagger per cast), would Bleed apply to EACH dagger and stack on each other? (Ex., enemy gets hit by 2 daggers, each dagger deal 5 Bleed stacks => enemy get 10 Bleed stacks)

• If I take "+X% damage" modifiers in SC tree (Ex., "+90% damage" from "Porcupine's Wrath"), would they increase the Bleed damage of SC?

[flint turret]

1. it should
2. same target can't be hit with more than 1 dagger from you or your shadows each (but yeah you can hit with 5 if you have 4 shadows out)
   3)yes, unless it specifies "more damage with hits" or "more melee damage"

[tacit umbra]

thanks for reply, but about point 2, does that mean I should still invest in "dagger throw" instead of "melee" SC for more Bleed?

[flint turret]

Most likely yes as it should give 90% more

However you can get point in throw but not fully convert

This way you will keep melee attack and dagger throw which is double stacks for less points

[tacit umbra]

oh, I see. So Bleed stacks from melee and dagger throw stack with each other.

[flint turret]

But you will need aoe nodes so maybe it's the same

I haven't played bleed SC or seriously played dots at all, so take everything with a grain of salt

I was going to in s3 with ignite primo but it turned out to be underwhelming so I ditched the idea

Both bleed gloves and ignite ammy primos are great concept but overall too weak imo

Lots of unnecessary restrictions in them

[tacit umbra]

Are you talking about Carrion of Creation gloves?

[zenith bridge]

Sure it depends on what the skill trees of both new skills look like, but the first impression isn't exactly thrilling.

[zenith bridge]

But i'm calling it, Bladestorm gonna be op with its own skilltree 🙂

[zenith sequoia]

Record shows rogue is op when it gets new stuff, soooo

[weary widget]

Entirely depends on how many damage multipliers they give it

If 80% of the tree is 'it's blue now and does a lil frostbite' it's cooked

[zenith bridge]

Yea and the bird will figure out a way to break both new skills again.

[silent relic]

Rogue is eating woooo

[dire forge]

200th uber killed ❤️ and still no 2lp SW 💔

[pine hatch]

That's gonna help out alot with the build I'm playing right now, lack of fast map clearing speed

[dire forge]

SMK cooking something, that's gonna be interesting

[pine hatch]

https://youtu.be/hWwdODbVefo

Currently playing this build

Very tanky probably the tankiest BD and DMG also good around 1:40-2mins on Uber. But map clear is very average

[atomic vapor]

idk honestly clear looks just fine for 3k

[pine hatch]

Nah it makes you wanna go sleep

[flint turret]

We are getting delirium and 2 rogue skills? Sign me in

[flint turret]

Shadow rend looks the most useful for mm and falconer tbh. Ranged shadow creation outside of smoke

And where the hell is the missing bd skill? Both new ones are rogue ones, right?

Guess it's time to play throwing hs+cascade+bladestorm+shurikens

Kinda heavy on skill slots tho

[rugged pollen]

i think shadow rend is BD exclusive

and bladestorm is rogue

[zenith bridge]

Forum post says shadow rend is a new rogue ability. Nothing BD exclusive. It also has bow support.

Im also curious what they will add for UB. Without the bladestorm mechanic it sounds dead to me. Actively playing the recall mechanic feels really bad and i think they want to keep the theme for it.

[rugged pollen]

yeah unless they add something giga for UB, without bladestorm it's gonna be a dead skill

[zenith bridge]

true, i dont expect anything big tbh. Also SD node was behind bladestorm...

I'm mostly hyped to see Shadow Rend, it could finally counter Sync Strike for being the only viable and fast option to generate shadows. So bladedancer builds will not feel the same anymore.

[sly hornet]

Does the game track Uberoth kills like it does normal Abby and Harbies?

Never actually looked

[rugged pollen]

it looks pretty cool too

[atomic vapor]

That's what I was thinking as well. If explosive trap gets struck down and the falcon can't throw bladestorms, there need to be some serious support from either the replacement nodes in umbral blades or a way for the falcon to be able to throw bladestorms again

Otherwise I don't see what it could run on a competitive level given what we know

Unless ofc you can machinegun blade explosions as base rogue. I hope bladestorm gets the spawn on shadow despawn thing so that you can chain them with shadow rend

[flint turret]

That is if it doesn't cost 100 mana or has a CD kekw

[zenith bridge]

Fair:)

[boreal walrus]

[flint turret]

Not a combination of words you usually expect to see together

Spoiler it's sd

With most of the nodes for direct lm damage while not having guarantee crit on shift

Wonder what nodes bladestorm will take from umbrals and what they are going to be replaced with. I'm pretty sure this alone will affect most of rogue builds by itself

[lapis pumice]

buff mirage

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, seems like a lot of stuff depends somewhere on UB, explosions, bladestorm, and SD.

[flint turret]

the only thing outside of that is mana gain on shift recall and its very niche

could be interesting if they make shadows throw a non-sword thrower umbrals and leave sd in them to shotgun with 3-4 umbrals thrown from each shadow

bladestorm shurikens look pretty good already ngl

[rotund maple]

Watch the clip and explain to me why it's possible to deal such high burst damage. Sometimes I can do it, sometimes I can't. Please guide me

[flint turret]

Shadow dive+repeat of it in smoke. You need to have smoke out, and have shadows inside a smoke

[boreal walrus]

super ultra

[rotund maple]

Even with all those conditions met, it still works randomly, right?

[flint turret]

It shouldn't

If conditions are met then the shadow dives aim for your shadows and if dive lands inside a smoke it repeats

There should be no random variables unless something goes wrong

[flint bough]

I really hope that shadow cascade bladedancer remains as a viable build choice even with the new skills update for rogue

[maiden gyro]

i got a 3lp dragonsong and i thought getting a good 2 affix exalt was hard

[kind atlas]

not harder than any other weapon. but getting a 3 affix and hitting is pretty hard

then you need the 7% crit on there too coz crit is kinda hard to get without traitors

[maiden gyro]

i havent even seen a two t7 item yet lol

[toxic swift]

I've liked using shadow string for flask builds in the past. Not the biggest damage option, but with T7 deadeye you get all the crit you realistically need right there. The extra charge of smoke bomb is nice for farming too

[maiden gyro]

Just got a 4lp flask thing that changes acid flask to cold? I think

[flint bough]

is there a quick kill for 5.3k corruption shade? I keep dying to it's melee attack as I am a melee character and I'm having serious issues

I am also doing confluence and the melee attack is still doing 7k damage and i cant damage it unless its in some sort of animation

[pine hatch]

Maybe you already reached your limit of the build if you have a really hard time to kill shade I wouldn't waste anymore time on it, maybe time to play another build.

[plain lodge]

If you're on rogue you can just silver shroud the melee attack and then back up until you regain silver shroud, all other skills are pretty easily avoidable save for a couple

[fading burrow]

for zhp ballista, what is best 2nd stat for slamming on uetherin bow? beside bow physical dmg

[flint bough]

how do i gain silver shroud?

ah so with Agent Viel it is a very slow fight with the 15 second cooldown

[flint bough]

i have to be below 70% health to get silver shroud through argent viel. Is there other ways to get it?

[plain lodge]

You can get it via smoke bomb as well as a couple other sources

[eager mason]

nihilis procs argent veil

but you would need to evade twice if you are playing life

or more because of leech and stuff I guess

[flint bough]

I have a nihilis and it says nothing about argent veil

[eager mason]

I meant that if you have nihilis and the argent veil node

it is bugged so eventhough nihilis isnt an enemy if it puts you below high health you get silver shroud

works on lowlife too eventhough you are already below high health

so if you are ll it procs with 1 evade

[flint bough]

I can't evade anyway because I'm using a crab ring for the ms

i geuss when fighting the shade i can just put on a damage ring or something

but its super slowkill

[tawny imp]

Hey guys, can someone help me to build my marksman flurry?

This is what I have so far

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnarvZez

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 84

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (62)

General:

▸ Health: 1,586, Regen: 35.7/s
▸ Mana: 114.43, Regen: 10.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 83 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 158% / 72% / 72% / 73% / 84% / 77% / 123%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 317
▸ Dodge Chance: 17% (495)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (908)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Flurry / Cinder Strike / Decoy / Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb

[dense sparrow]

hello

[dense sparrow]

i came and i ll check ur build

[dense sparrow]

can u ahre ur build

share

[flint bough]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Big_Mike69/character/Blade_Mikey

thanks Kartal 🙂

[dense sparrow]

i was busy with my childs just while chill i ll check ur build

[flint bough]

all good man\

i think you are best LE player btw

🙂

[dense sparrow]

what is wrong with ur build

what is ur problem

hehe thank you

[flint bough]

my problem is fighting shades

[dense sparrow]

we have 5 diff shade in game

[flint bough]

even confluence is hard because i cant quick kill

[dense sparrow]

1- poison
2-cold^
3-fire
4-blood effigy
5-lightning

[flint bough]

well my problem isn't any of those elements

its melee attack

[dense sparrow]

if u go normal shade so in normal boss with melee really will be hard

just search echo of tomb and put oblivion confluence

all melee builds can kill only with thats

after 3-5k corrp

minimum

[flint bough]

i have tried confluence. still melee attack 7k damage

[dense sparrow]

i can say u need more practice with this shades

and easy with x5 shade

and u need certainly a teleport skill

[flint bough]

what about my planner? is there anything I can change for a shade fight?

[dense sparrow]

u are rogue and use aerial assult or shift or any

[flint bough]

i use shift

[dense sparrow]

sec i ll check

actually aerial assult better

and u are using crab ring?

u dont need

or dont use on boss

use another ring mate

use dodge roll also

check my videos on youtube or sec

[flint bough]

link me 🙂

[dense sparrow]

https://www.twitch.tv/kartal0001/clip/SparklyCrackyLocustRlyTho-yu_zEczuHg96KRbb

this impossible boss:=)

just check my teleport and dodge skills

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2640391544 also thats

35.5k corrp

[flint bough]

so i need to be using evade

[dense sparrow]

ofc

all the time