🔪┃rogue

[atomic vapor]

oh with snowdrift, I thought that was a thing on the tree and I was wondering where it was

[inland yacht]

yeah I can't really see a way of scaling a cold flask build without those

and because it's penetration, you get very little value from the res shred or penetration nodes on the acid flask skill

so it's mostly just the tiny ~40% more damage or whatever it has, plus fan mode for shotgun

Elecoe's Abandon would be great if it applied to every flask thrown instead of just throwing a single flask with the bonus

[atomic vapor]

even then you'd run out of potions long before the fight was over, crit flask can get away with it due to blasting through phases in an instant

unless you slammed chance to find potion, gross

[inland yacht]

you'd actually be surprised how far potion find goes

[atomic vapor]

there are some affixes I genuinely despise

[inland yacht]

i have a legacy max rolled scavenger with maxed T7 potion find

it was my alcoholic's belt before Brewmaster Buckle was added

[atomic vapor]

maybe one day when the game isn't in beta, I'll actually try to grind out a super off meta build just for kicks

[inland yacht]

don't let your memes be dreams. I killed normal abby with DoT Smelter's Wrath this season

[atomic vapor]

anyone playing FG has times more patience than I do

I played umbrals this season because I found it hilarious how maxroll put it in b tier just becuase it doesn't crit for 200 million

went in with 1lps, did a 3min, was like alright alright, maybe b tier is accurate

2 throw slams later I was under 2 mins

😭

[flint bough]

i could maybe use some increased area of effect gear for arenas

[bold brook]

ya area is always tempting, but then I die when i would've lived with just a bit more health and go back to health lol

[flint bough]

true haha but i love area. when i get the shrine with 100% area it obliterates everything

[flint bough]

but yeah log on and right click on the arena key of memory and get on the leaderboard 🙂

only 1 tip. every arena has several shrines. they really help at the later stages

[potent arrow]

i also ran into the shift bug today

[flint bough]

@bold brook have you tried arenas yet?

[bold brook]

not yet

[crimson latch]

wish was 2lp

[crimson latch]

omg

[crimson latch]

D:

lol with redemption

[ashen rampart]

has someone scaled ballista build to about 2k corr? i would be grateful if you drop your planner

[rich panther]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Erestion/character/Idriel

guys i can't kill the temporal sanctum t4 boss because of skill issue or because i'm weak?

t3 went very ez since i was able to dodge most of his shit

t4 is like casino when his frostbite aoe can do damage before he actually casts it, same with following void but at least void don't insta kill

my damage feels decent but the problem that i must dodge so much just don't allow me to fight this thing

the best try i had boss was about 30%

watched the boss mechanics guide and i can't believe how many times i died BECAUSE OF FOUNTAIN

[tropic lodge]

does hydra arc outperform dragonsong for you? you might be better off with a different bow

IIRC just the regular dragonsong heartseeker build was enough to really crush t4 julra last season, adding a primo to the mix would make it even stronger.

[rich panther]

this is the best i have

dragonsong never dropped

[rich panther]

honestly i'm not sure if i can kill jurla almost everything is nearly lethal for me from her having 1k hp makes me pretty weak and dodge isn't really working

[tropic lodge]

the puncture on kill isnt gonna do much for you on single target since it can never proc, you could try doing the fire conversion and daggers thing, and grab heartdrain for sustain. the shift + shurikens + orbiting armor buff could help as well

ive never done dark quiver tho so i could just be talking out of my butt

[static lake]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oY3vmw0Q
a planner for heartseeker

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (64) / Falconer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 1,891, Regen: 26.43/s
▸ Mana: 197.87, Regen: 10.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 49%, Regen: 75/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 151 Dex / 21 Int / 21 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 46% / 141% / 83% / -105% / 58% / 67% / 117%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 842
▸ Dodge Chance: 64% (2905)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (524)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 66%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 105%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Puncture / Dark Quiver / Umbral Blades

[amber solstice]

Hi, which armor is best to choose for Shadow Cascade?

I'm trying to kill Uber Abberath, but he one-shotting me

[toxic swift]

I think immortal stone + null portent would probably be easier for uberroth

[crimson latch]

i mean wtf?

[tropic lodge]

Wondering if there is a bigolecrits heartseeker build somewhere with truesight glass, reign of winter, and mourningfrost. Has anyone played with that idea?

[bold brook]

you can use either one, depending on whether you want to play low life or not. I think the low life version might be more popular, but I personally like playing life more.

I killed uber using my build, but it was very difficult and took many attempts to learn the fight, and I have very high quality gear. I also play Merchant's, so I had some uber items before actually killing him. If he is oneshotting you outside of the huge telegraphed attacks you are probably quite far away from a kill (unless you go full glass cannon)

this is my build guide if you want to see it, the variant that killed uber is toward the bottom. I'll also link maxroll's build guide if you want to see a lowlife build.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/immortal-stone-shadow-cascade-bladedancer

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shadow-cascade-bladedancer-guide

[autumn solar]

so i've been following maxroll's shadow cascade BD guide and i have a question
they max out braskula's hesitation on shift, but does this actually work?
cause when you shift it consumes your shadows right, and then when you synchronizing strike it spawns new shadows without them shadow cascading
am i missing something?

does the hestitation work on the shadow cascade you automatically cast after shifting?

[bold brook]

no, Braskula's hesitation (and Deadly Ambush) do not work with the Cascade procced from Shift.

I take Braskula for the reduced Shift distance to make it easier to hit bosses with all of your Cascades after you Shift. I assume maxroll does the same

[autumn solar]

hmm i see

[graceful notch]

What's new with Ballista lately? I've seen a lot of streamers playing it

[crimson latch]

@uncut mantle i won

[graceful notch]

Why bow crit change?

Dont use phantom grip?

[rugged pollen]

[amber solstice]

Why do you use elemental melle damage for weapons?

[ashen rampart]

playing ballista build and i want to be able to kill uber. what should i improve in my build? What should be my highest priority? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXOXxDDB

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (27) / Falconer (56)

General:

▸ Health: 1,180, Regen: 19.3/s
▸ Mana: 248.13, Regen: 13.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 92%, Regen: 27/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 129 Dex / 46 Int / 5 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 9% / -71% / 18% / -42% / 9% / 80% / 19%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 42%, Threshold: 236
▸ Dodge Chance: 27% (895)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (601)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 10%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 189%

Used skills:

Ballista / Decoy / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Falconry

[ashen rampart]

or can you tell me with what rogue build it will be easier to kill uber, acid flask or ballista

[stable sierra]

I tried it but i get back to physical dmg (more damage and less drawbacks). I need to work on my stuff though

[static lake]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/qy28y0gn#5
this is for uberroth

[lapis pumice]

quiver

u're missing 16 dex from it

LP1 belt with good int should be also very ez

i'd still try to cap void res for uber so you don't die in 1 tick to puddles/lasers

you're missing 12 to 24 dex on chest too, same stuff LP3 chest very ez to farm

[graceful notch]

Is "inc bow damage" better than "critical multi" on weapons for a Ballista build?

[median kettle]

what are some of the best stats for staying alive as a bladedancer? aside from capping resistances

[tight wraith]

i would think so, but flat increase (+x bow damage) is better than %increase. the more base damage you do, the more your critical multiplier will do. so I would prioritize getting a high base damage before crit multi

also, ballista has some nodes that allow your ailments and crit stats to also affect it.

[graceful notch]

I'm currently choosing the next affixes after flat damage

[tight wraith]

is there a weapon, skill (within rogue), that converts damage from all sources to poison? I have traps throwing off acid flasks and ballistas. I can get poison damage from ballista with tainted ammo, but not sure how to get that going for explosive traps. (i am oporating under the assumption that if i poison someone, then the damage from my flurry is doing poison damage if I have taken chance to poison and poison damage nodes)

@graceful notch , gotcha. that i am not 100% sure of. what is your current bow damage and crit multi?

[graceful notch]

nvm, I'll test it myself again. I've heard from a few friends who play Ballista saying crit multi is better for damage, but that was a long time ago from version 1.1

[bold brook]

Added flat melee damage of any type applies to any melee skill regardless of the skill's damage type. Added flat physical damage would be best of course so it would scale with increased physical damage affixes but I never got a double t7 with flat physical

[graceful notch]

trap in guide

[amber solstice]

Ok , thank you guys

[rich panther]

aren't there better gloves?

[rich panther]

this planner also uses legendary gladiator armor but will i be able to equip gladiator armor?

[desert otter]

falconeer still best for bees right?

[static lake]

Well this isn't mine, I'm just the one who shares it tho 😅 😅 😅 😅
anyway I found that one on bilibili

[tropic lodge]

I gave this a try with my test build, its not quite what youre running but its close, essentially if I didnt draw off that stupid seeking ice attack I would get one shotted but as long as I avoided it I was able to chunk her down. Build looked something like this when I tried, though I think without the slams https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApXvelJA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 92

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (71) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,209, Regen: 46.08/s
▸ Mana: 398.27, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 51 Dex / 25 Int / 37 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 53% / 72% / 104% / 117% / 81% / 112%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 486
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (504)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (976)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 115%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Shift / Shurikens / Heartseeker / Dark Quiver

[rich panther]

with a bit more preparation i'm sure i'll kill jurla

[tropic lodge]

unspecced decoy is what i used to avoid the ice FWIW

[scarlet citrus]

does anyone else have an issue with dancing strikes becoming unusable and having to rebind it to fix it

[trim zodiac]

It’s a bug

Anything with a sequence like ub

[cinder brook]

Is it just me or Marksmen characters are not really competing with Paladins and Druids in corruption level?

I love how Heartseeker plays but I reached a point where it just feels... capped compared to some of my other characters

[desert otter]

bees or ignite flask

[graceful notch]

why not both? i saw someone in this channel build like that

[desert otter]

ya thats wht i was doing building fire bees cuz why not

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApXxG0xA what im currently working on

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (27) / Marksman (12) / Falconer (74)

General:

▸ Health: 2,165, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 215.51, Regen: 17.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 18%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 74 Dex / 9 Int / 9 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 97% / 114% / 86% / 86% / 90% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 758
▸ Dodge Chance: 82% (10921)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (916)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 500%

Used skills:

Acid Flask / Explosive Trap / Decoy / Falconry / Shift

[static lake]

this one is mine now 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[desert otter]

Lol ya its performing really well just got to 400 corruption so far on mostly 1lps

The belt is huge for bossing

@static lake

Im almost ready topout the guide out for it on cof its fine but i think it would be better mg if ur season starting it

[sage canyon]

@flint turret @eager mason have u guys tested this? some guy came up on my YT

might be something for life version to easier sustain

[flint turret]

i was using it since forever

1 point in dagger throw also makes applying shred to bosses much easier

[sage canyon]

is it big difference? 🤔

in mana

[flint turret]

i never cast it directly so mana is whatever really

i like to have 5th shadow

[sage canyon]

ye i was thinking cause from what i understand the sync strike node just consumes mana to cast cascade

bypassing cost

[flint turret]

throwing cascade is definetly a thing too and dread even had a guide on it

but this season flay boots dropped

i had a planner for throwing cascade on marksman with hs helmet somewhere tho

for more flat damage

the issue is that throwing cascade is super points hungry

and +4 cascade on body gives melee damage

so it would be probably a primo dagger life version

[sage canyon]

hmm maybe can combine it with lightning chacram, but need skills slots

pepehands

[flint turret]

with elecoe and maybe even razorfall

yeah thats the other thing i was doing

phys shuri + phys throwing cascade

shuri in line for single target cascade for clear

dunno about chakram if worth

its hitboxes are weird

[graceful notch]

What name her channel?

Mistia42?

[eager mason]

I was doing elecoe last league

throwing damage doesnt work with melee

but everything else works like cost, area lvl

[eager mason]

you would do phys if you are doing it with cascade

get like this instead

and pen from shuriken tree

but yeah idk

isnt it mostly a waste of your shadows

you can clear with it instead of chakram

but thats about it

[sage canyon]

hmm icic

btw chacram fix when ehg?

😡

[eager mason]

did you test dancing

[sage canyon]

with chacram naaa next season

im too deep into poe2

making witchunter great again

xdddd

[eager mason]

lul

[sage canyon]

people are as clueless as in LE in poe2 regarding theorycrafting

xdddd

[graceful notch]

After Turtle gave me two 3lp daggers, I experienced a memory crash. After the new update, opening and closing the stash rarely lags, but I encountered issues when feed turtles. Before, it only took one turtle run, about an hour, to finish everything, but now I have to do four or five runs 🥹

[rugged pollen]

I've heard straight up blatantly wrong information from kinda big poe2 content creator

[sage canyon]

yep some of them are actual tourists

🤣

[rugged pollen]

i'm suprised at how can they be that confidently wrong

doesnt matter anw since the meta stuff in the game was wayyyy too strong, you can just slap them in and destroy everything

[sage canyon]

ye im just testing different setups now on chrono/witchunter people really sleeping on those 2 ascendencies

i think they promised next season in december and endgame focus patch, might be pog if they chim in balance

[rugged pollen]

they nerfed mana stacking into oblivion

like 8-dimension nerf or something

jsut to give life-stacking the same thing

and better

lol

like they're literally the same

[sage canyon]

isnt it familiar how devs cant do basic math? 😏

i give poe2 benefit of a doubt since its EA

[rugged pollen]

gave me the chance to buy my desired item for dirt cheap tho

so no complaint

[blazing radish]

:)

[chilly gate]

any rogues can help a beginner understand gear, i have 0 concept lol ive tried guides but keep getting lost...

im lv 69 im really struggleing with content

[desert otter]

max res first

[blazing radish]

Could you go to this site, use "Import" to generate a URL, and share your build with me?
ttps://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

[chilly gate]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGv1034Q

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 69

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (21) / Falconer (41)

General:

▸ Health: 1,028, Regen: 39/s
▸ Mana: 94.85, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 14%, Regen: 8/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 32 Dex / 7 Int / 2 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 83% / 56% / 21% / 19% / 41% / 29%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 28%, Threshold: 206
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (312)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (376)
▸ Block Chance: 5%, Mitigation: 13% (64)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%

Used skills:

Aerial Assault / Umbral Blades / Smoke Bomb / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[blazing radish]

need res 75% (idols) and Falconer needs Dex

[blazing radish]

• Passive
  Bladedancer only take Pursuit
  Wilderness Scout -> Agile Hunt
  Fencing Grace -> Stymphalian Feathers

• Relentless Talons
• Tailwind
• Evasion (rogue)
• Focus Fire (marksman)

• Falconry
  Falcon Screech -> Is it a bird? and Agile Prey
  Wake of Wings -> Trained to Hunt and Avian Stamina

• Optional
  Dive Bomb -> Acid Flask (if you use this ring , flask is main skill

[tropic lodge]

Looking for some feedback/advice on affixes and idols and stuff for this cold heartseeker crit build - im working on getting some more dex affixes as the items drop, and think that elecoes belt would be a good replacement for jungle queen for the cold res + crit mult. This is what I have right now at about 900c: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6ankNXo

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (73) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,486, Regen: 59.74/s
▸ Mana: 303.95, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 60%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 55 Dex / 27 Int / 38 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 83% / 64% / 83% / 75% / 82% / 98% / 170%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 655
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (500)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (541)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 22%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 99%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Shift / Shurikens / Heartseeker / Dark Quiver

[static lake]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oY3vmw0Q
I have a planner for heartseeker here,and this isn't mine so plz don't ask me why this or why that but I did kill uberroth with this so I assume it's dope 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (64) / Falconer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 1,891, Regen: 26.43/s
▸ Mana: 197.87, Regen: 10.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 49%, Regen: 75/s
▸ Attributes: 21 Str / 151 Dex / 21 Int / 21 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 46% / 141% / 83% / -105% / 58% / 67% / 117%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 842
▸ Dodge Chance: 64% (2905)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (524)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 66%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 105%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Puncture / Dark Quiver / Umbral Blades

[tropic lodge]

eh i am looking to scale more on crit mult using truesight than the other cold builds

[tropic lodge]

I like the umbral blades idea, wondering if it's worth dropping shurikens for since they're only really giving a small armor buff. I was also thinking about dropping the heartseekers shadow firing down in favor of the dark quiver shadow consunption

[flint bough]

are they ever going to fix concentration?

[flint bough]

its annoying to have to get Vault for Molting :/

[dire forge]

anybody else playing any variant of Falconer that's using AA who is experiencing random freezes and inability to move at all?

[blazing radish]

this?

This bug happens top-left & top-right

[dire forge]

nah, it's just you're running casting stuff

and all of a sudden you stop moving

can't do anything except for teleporting to any location on map or relogging

[atomic vapor]

it's been happening since s2 yeah

It sometimes desyncs your physical location and your player model and the game freaks out

I've been reporting it constantly (with screenshots of me having seemingly clipped into the terrain)

Until I gave up

[dire forge]

yeah apparently reports don't work at all

also 1:10 @atomic vapor managed to beat old PB by 2 secs

gonna be very hard to go below that, phases take too long

[atomic vapor]

Glad someone's still blasting. I'm completely tapped out

[rugged pollen]

LE's 1.2 and 1.3 is the opposite of POE2 0.2 and 0.3 lol

[atomic vapor]

I'm so split itemization wise

I love primordials, but I hate t8s

Overall it was a mechanically necessary season

But the content is obviously nonexistent

[graceful notch]

Four months for new content accompanied by a season exceeds EHG's capabilities, and what you're seeing is a game flooded with bugs—some of my acquaintances have run into issues with the game that have sharply reduced their interest

[rugged pollen]

same, some of my friends were super excited with LE at first

then they found out some of the stuff they're building around didnt work as intended/stated by word

and quit

[dire forge]

my friends also got punished for trying out non-meta builds

one friend of mine tried poison flay and was going well

but those idiotic imbalanced monsters drove him away

he could kill regular abby but clearing 100C was a problem

with 2k hp doubled since he played lich

and capped res / 60% endurance and yuge armor

[dire forge]

i'm slowly getting driven away too, rng's been messing with me too much recently

10x 2lp nihilis tries for double t7 slam, 4 tries for double t7 SW, all failed

wasted 150 mil just on TRIES, not even positive outcomes

[kind atlas]

what do you hate about t8s?

i still think not being able to equip one t8 and one primordial is a big miss.

[rugged pollen]

too much powercreep for 1 patch

for next patch maybe

[kind atlas]

way too much power creep with nothing to use it on

but still would be cool.

[dire forge]

Next patch t9 that you can wear in multiple slots at once

[atomic vapor]

This is the big one. Another one is runes of evo taking a metric ton of fp, then the fact that you have to gamba^1000 to actually put a t5 in that empty slot. Combine that with getting the right base, or even a sealed affix in the regular affix slot, or god forbid a set affix, you need to go through hundreds of exalted

Not to mention that if you wanna preserve the range of the t8, you have to use glyph of order which means no glyph of hope

Same problem with envy, it's a glyph so no glyph of hope

Basic steps take so much fp already that optimizing the item further is near impossible

[kind atlas]

oh yeah, if you have a double t7, you have a 50% chance of bricking the t8 coz you can't choose

[atomic vapor]

Yeah so the step is like, havoc into the right t7s, Evo+order = no hope, maybe envy the right base = no hope again, then put a stat in the empty slot x5 praying for hope procs or crit craft, then fixing non sealed ranges

It's basically impossible

The amount of 25%s you have to roll, or rolling low fp cost on crafts is just astronomical

[kind atlas]

envy as a rune would be good.

[atomic vapor]

Yeah I've already suggested that before, hope a dev saw it

[rugged pollen]

eh

for how stronger an item gets going from 2xt7 into one t7+1xt8

i'd say the odd is justifiable

[atomic vapor]

Debatable. 2lp primordial with double t7 is 33%

Equally useful exalted is 1 in quit the season

[rugged pollen]

oh yeah i see your point comparing to slammed prim

makes alot more sense now

[atomic vapor]

I mean that's what it's competing with right

[rugged pollen]

i think their intetion was to make prim leg competing with t8 champion affixes

but the champion affixes are so trash

*most of em

[atomic vapor]

Primordials are so incredibly strong that by default a single t8 will never reliably compete. I know there are some edge cases like mana cost dropping skills to 0 cost, or at least sustainable cost

But 9.9/10 cases it's just power, not a build enabler

While primos are build enablers

You can't play frogs without frog helm

[rugged pollen]

that is true

need to see what kind of glowup they will give champion affixes in future patch

they have been very underwhelming ever since existence

[atomic vapor]

The + companions one was such a big miss, when the best minion builds are either single minion ones or just frogs which eats up that t8 slot

Then the +shadows one is invalid because they capped falconer

Rest is meh

[kind atlas]

https://youtu.be/_WaZoYeOGLo

[graceful notch]

Good job!

[graceful notch]

I can play a 4ppl party with 2 LB builds. Does this build cause a lot of FPS drops?

[toxic swift]

this is exactly what I (and many others) predicted would happen when they announced that t8s and primordial uniques shared the same restricton

#🔪┃rogue message

[atomic vapor]

oh damn yeah I think I said some things of similar capacity at the time, but I think it was after the season got launched and we got to mess with them

I didn't expect it to be this bad, but yeah true everyone had a bad feeling

[graceful notch]

Has the visual bug after using Synchronized Strike for a while been fixed yet?

[kind atlas]

Yeah i think it's pretty bad fps wise. My pc not bad 4070ti and struggles a bit

[raw zodiac]

whats the best mapper/speed farmer marksman buil;d

[crimson latch]

hi any ballista enjoyer

which one is better for dmg

[raw zodiac]

right

also concluded that bleed hoa marksman isnt my mapping style

[tight wraith]

hello. I have the node where explosive trap is shot by an arrow. I use flurry as my main skill, and trap sprinkler to spread more traps and acid flasks. is there an ailment icon or something to indicate that a given enemy has a trap attached to them? it does not seem like it is working as intended

[toxic swift]

trap sprinkler doesn't attach traps to enemies. Only the "hold this" node does that

[tight wraith]

I meant blast rain. So the idea is shoot blast rain, traps detonate, and also throw out acid flasks. I’m just not sure it’s actually doing it, including the blast rain

[desert otter]

do rogues have a consume ignite ability?

[toxic swift]

I don't think that works if you take the instant detonation node immediately after blast rain

it's either a bug or a missing description

[bold brook]

i dont think so

[desert otter]

anywayto keep bees alive longer lol

[graceful notch]

Did u missed crit multi on amulet?

[bold brook]

i think i would've rather had crit multi than increased physical on amulet ya if you're talking about my cascade build

missed many slams so i never actually compared them, but i would think crit multi would be better

[lapis pumice]

traps dont attach

they just explode

either by enemy walking on them or instantly on hitting the ground if u specced impact trigger

also blast rain makes trap scales with bow damage, while acid flask is throwing, you're gonna have trouble scaling both later on

[atomic vapor]

probably trap flask

[tight wraith]

Well darn. It really seems like blast rain would trigger trap sprinkler. Acid flasks is (I hope) primarily going to scale on poison and aiding bow hits in poisoning. It’s probably a lost cause build but I’ve done a couple
Meta so now I’m just experimenting. I did take out explosive traps though

[toxic swift]

I'm aware, but if you take the node after blast rain it breaks trap sprinkler. I have used blast rain + trap sprinkler before, and it worked. Check that you're not using the instant detonation node

[tight wraith]

Gotcha! I will test that out

Thank you

[scarlet citrus]

"Concentration damage is currently bugged and requires a Bow. For this reason, this build does not max it out."

is this still the case?

[potent arrow]

Yep

[crimson latch]

s4 i hope marksman get some love 😢

[atomic vapor]

Copium

[stable anchor]

it’s gonna be a bd patch 100%, calling it now

[toxic swift]

man I really hope so

[crimson latch]

Hi, i need some advice for my BD acid flask (im trying to copy spicorr) ]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olbGylkQ

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (62) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,292, Regen: 25.86/s
▸ Mana: 208, Regen: 11.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 47%, Regen: 8/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 57 Dex / 20 Int / 20 Att / 32 Vit
▸ Resistances: 275% / 64% / 46% / 93% / 42% / 89% / 82%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 458
▸ Dodge Chance: 43% (1571)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (814)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 147%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Shift / Shurikens / Explosive Trap / Acid Flask

[dire forge]

@atomic vapor YOOOO

grinding pays off i guess

[graceful notch]

Still falconer ub?

[dire forge]

yeeee

always and forever

loyal till death do us part

[crimson latch]

send planner 😄

[dire forge]

sec

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNDV3dRQ

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (22) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (63)

General:

▸ Health: 2,167, Regen: 26.8/s
▸ Mana: 237.86, Regen: 12.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 48%, Regen: 1/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 225 Dex / 24 Int / 24 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 66% / 66% / 66% / 98% / 99% / 119% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 433
▸ Dodge Chance: 55% (2211)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,799)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades / Falconry / Aerial Assault / Dive Bomb

[atomic vapor]

you better have recorded a vid omg 😭

[dire forge]

you know what's the problem

my storage

[atomic vapor]

F F F F F F F F

[dire forge]

i keep forgetting to throw the old footage away

yeah i'll retry that

on recording so it won't feel like i'm scamming

[atomic vapor]

Sub 1 minute umbrals on #🎥┃video-shoutout will go hard

[dire forge]

but the change to atropos idols made a difference i think

yeah i now have a target at least

redo that run on recording, positioning is key as i noticed

[atomic vapor]

try to get it down to sub 59 because youtube usually rounds up and the vid length will be 1 min

[dire forge]

youtube shorts then, without subway surfers footage it's gonna be lost

[atomic vapor]

https://youtu.be/lXiJh9eeZvw?si=TB69wwzwEZBkNT-O this is what shameless looks like

13 second vid

😭

[dire forge]

100+ DS

[atomic vapor]

hello season 2

man I'm gonna miss this level of balance

[dire forge]

man i'm tilted, had a 55-56s run and supershit black hole killed me

[atomic vapor]

falconer problems

the only thing that can kill you is your greed

[dire forge]

oh that owned me multiple times

oh shit i think i did it

[kind atlas]

First thing, your current crit chance is 60.69 without taking into consideration crit vuln. changing your crit blessing to 80% crit chance will improve that to 74.29%. which still isn't enough, but it's a good start. absolute minimum would be to reach 80% so you can have 100% with crit vuln, but 100% without crit vuln is preferred so you don't have to rely on crit vuln. You still have some life on kill idols which will mess with your low life status. We want to avoid life on kill and life leech. Your dodge blessing can be 75% fire res which will be a big damage boost. These are the first things to do to improve damage. Are you dying and what is your current stable ward?

[atomic vapor]

🫳 the 📹

[dire forge]

let me cut the vid

1,6 gb of trash before

[flint bough]

@bold brook hey I have a question if you are available

[bold brook]

ask away

[flint bough]

I have this. What should I slam?

[bold brook]

null portent

or kestral

[flint bough]

what does Kestral do thats good?

[bold brook]

movespeed +level to skills, and easy to get high LP

null portent def stronger, but harder for LP

you could just wear the exalt too, thats a very good drop

[bold brook]

100% use a rune of creation before slamming as well

[flint bough]

null portent has none in stock

i have rune of creation on my sword

[bold brook]

rune of creation is the one that duplicates an item

[flint bough]

ohhh

can you explain that to me

i wont be able to slam it?

after i use rune of creation?

[bold brook]

you use the rune of creation to duplicate an item. it sets forging potential of both copies to 0

[bold brook]

you will be able to slam it

[dire forge]

do i set to public or not xD

[flint bough]

ah okay

[dire forge]

would be my first public vid hahahaha

[bold brook]

the primary use of rune of creation is to have a second chance at a slam if the first one misses

or you get a better unique with LP

[flint bough]

sounds good! 🙂

[atomic vapor]

public and #🎥┃video-shoutout

go big or go home 💪

[dire forge]

hahahaha okay

then soon oh lawd he's comin

[atomic vapor]

And as of right now you probably have the fastest s3 umbrals (unless someone in the chinese community did something insane again with 2 views on bilibili)

but going off what's been uploaded, should be the fastest kill

[crimson latch]

thank you sir

[dire forge]

i think so too, ignored the meh MG talking which was present all the time, sometimes sarcastically sometimes not xD

[atomic vapor]

faction barely makes a difference imo, you have the gear i had last season

and kuden pulls 4lps and quad t7s as cof

blasting matters more

[dire forge]

that's what i tried to prove to many non-believers

that except for Kuden who is an alien factions are in the end equal

[atomic vapor]

I've been saying it since season 2, minmaxed characters are completely possible in either faction

but they simply don't happen overnight

[dire forge]

ofc

[atomic vapor]

minmaxed players blast 1000s of echoes in either faction

[dire forge]

in either of factions you need to spend hundreds of hrs to get what u want

[flint bough]

losing 500 health is worth it if I have 43% more damage with each shadow right

[dire forge]

off it went to video shoutout xD

[bold brook]

depends on your health level but most likely

[dire forge]

that 55-56s trick made a difference indeed, video is 0:59

[flint bough]

can you explain what dmg from each active shadow does?

[atomic vapor]

liked commented ;P

[dire forge]

hahaha thanks 😄 my first vid ever xD

[atomic vapor]

most nerfed class in s3, still sub 1

we take those

[dire forge]

first kill was 2:45-3:00 tho, man i'll never forget that fight

[bold brook]

i dont know the exact mechanics but my understanding is that if you have 4 shadows when you use cascade you get 4x43% increased damage (if your affix is 43%)

[atomic vapor]

3:30 for me 😭

[bold brook]

so 172% increased damage

[atomic vapor]

I went in with 1lps

[dire forge]

yeah me too

[atomic vapor]

I didn't even have a 2lp traitor

[dire forge]

not a single 2lp i think

oh 2lp traitor i had quite fast

i knew i'm not gonna endure the fight for long due to my bot skills so i needed to get a backup

[atomic vapor]

It's crazy because I went in with the worst gear I've ever had on any uber kill and I was like "who cares we ball"

did not expect the kill to be that long

[dire forge]

yeah exactly

me neither, nerf bat really hit strong

[atomic vapor]

it was still fun, I was like "alright 1500 health and facetanking, falconer things"

[dire forge]

nah i had like 2 or 2,5k, knew that if my pool is too low it's gonna punish me

wanted to be able to facetank a melee attack, this basic one in case dodge doesn't proc

[atomic vapor]

I think I had literally no health slam anywhere lmao, but I did have brew belt so I was end capped, all my health was % from idols and all health passives

zdps falconer moment

[dire forge]

regarding fun i can't deny it was and still is fun, enjoying carrying people a lot when i have time

[dire forge]

i went with JQ cuz JQ is love JQ is life

[atomic vapor]

I'm pretty sure my first kill setup is race-able. The same thing potato did with flask

100% sure you can do it with umbrals

literally kills with minimum investment

[flint bough]

it says im doing less damage but i just obliterated the woven boss much faster than before

[dire forge]

might be yes if u know the mechanics well enough and don't forget that he might timeshatter slam two times in the beginning with too low dps

[kind atlas]

1 min kill with full investment is where all stier builds should land, if they could balance everything perfectly

[bold brook]

Ya I'm not sure if it is in the dps tooltip calculation, but you could also test on the arena dummies

[dire forge]

this so much

it's like if you grind hard enough it should reward you with fast uber kill

[atomic vapor]

I doubt anybody considers umbrals s tier anymore

maxroll doesn't even consider it A tier

[dire forge]

maxLUL with perfect insight as always

[atomic vapor]

yeah hard disagree on the B tier, but A tier sounds reasonable

high A tier because of the scaling potential

not all A tier builds can achieve 1 min kills with gear

[kind atlas]

i

i'd say A

[dire forge]

i'm happy with my shit tier build then xD and shoutout to maxroll for making people not play UB

[atomic vapor]

It's just fortunate of a build enough to scale really really good with gear

it doesn't seem to slow down at all per piece

and that's mostly because of all the multi dipping tech

you can slam dex and throw almost everywhere

[dire forge]

yeah that's true

but to get those 2lps in certain gear slots

it's another story

[atomic vapor]

yeah f$#@ 2lp razors

I hate building that thing

[dire forge]

hahahahaha

razors were the easiest for me, 2nd slam and i got them

[atomic vapor]

I hit mine 2nd slam too, then it took 8 slams for my friend's

[dire forge]

10 2lp nihilis slams on the other side...

[atomic vapor]

I still regret stopping before hitting my 3lp evo

it is what it is

[dire forge]

3lp evo? Just CoF things i see

[atomic vapor]

yeahh

[kind atlas]

are you playing anything rn?

i dont think this season is gonna last the full distance for me, need to look into something else

[atomic vapor]

nah personally I'm completely burned out. I decided I'll give the game sometime to grow

Gonna start silksong with my brother in a couple of days to relax, I need some time off the gamba

[dire forge]

oh gamba, maybe i'll do some

ehh nothing to slam, too poor

[atomic vapor]

you lasted way way longer than I did

the moment I hit sub 1:30, I was tapped out

too much brainless farming for not enough content

[dire forge]

1:30 sounds like an odd number to me, i personally just wanted to beat you and then beat myself enough times to feel satisfied

[atomic vapor]

I could easily push hard, but I did the exact same thing s2

[dire forge]

yeah ig

[atomic vapor]

felt like a self imposed torture

[kind atlas]

mg is kinda weird, spend all time selling stuff but then too much of a tightarse to spend it

[dire forge]

actually now in mg i enjoyed this build even more than in 1.2

[kind atlas]

i have 200m and still cheap out on stuff and make my own stuff

[atomic vapor]

mg was really strong this season because the market didn't go to shit early

2lp shattered worlds were all over the place

I'm actually shocked it stayed as healthy as it did

[dire forge]

i keep spending my money all the time, never went over 30M this season

[kind atlas]

no dupe. economy survived

[atomic vapor]

I've quit MMOs before while at almost the gold cap, before spending it

it's a problem

[dire forge]

oh sorry once i was at 37 or 38M but then instantly bought 2 nihilis 2lp well rolled with proper bases

[dire forge]

oh then it's a problem yeah

[atomic vapor]

hoarding too much for no reason

[kind atlas]

someone is still selling cheap 2lp shattered for 1-2m. that's kinda ridiculous.

[atomic vapor]

yeah mg was an easy win this season honestly

[dire forge]

yeah but idk man cheap SW are one thing but good rolls on them was another thing

[atomic vapor]

maybe they figured how to control the market out

[dire forge]

you'd have to buy multiple to reroll

[atomic vapor]

rerolling isn't hard for SW when you can kill uber fast like that

sell vise nihi null for money

buy maybe SW with 2 affixes from nem

put yours in egg

should be easy enough

[dire forge]

yeah but gl getting 2 leg affix on SW

dropped like 15-20 SW and not a single one got 2 affixes xD

[kind atlas]

mg and cof pretty balanced as is, but if mg had 100k players sustained, it would be in mg's favour for sure

[atomic vapor]

can you check rn how much SW with 2 affixes go for

or can you not sort by that still

[kind atlas]

you cant sort that, also no one sells those

[atomic vapor]

F

[dire forge]

sure

[atomic vapor]

not surprised tbh

but they do that for red rings, seen people link multiple ones with 2 affixes

[kind atlas]

the interface still needs work

2lp red ring is 57m

[atomic vapor]

with mg tag I mean

[kind atlas]

that's also kinda stupid. no one is buying it either

been there for over 24hours

[atomic vapor]

lol

[dire forge]

2,3M for 2 affix SW

2x 2,3M and 1x 3,45M

[kind atlas]

bricked leg sw?

[dire forge]

ye

[atomic vapor]

I guess you can camp the market and hoard every 2 affix SW you see

and passively reroll

while you do something else

[dire forge]

yes i guess

[kind atlas]

the guy that supplies the SW does them in bulk, then there's nothing for a while

must farm like crazy

[dire forge]

yeah i noticed that too

like 5-10 SW a drop

[atomic vapor]

why am I not surprised again lol

[kind atlas]

it's one dude.

lol

[atomic vapor]

crazy work

[dire forge]

bless him for existing then

without him i probably wouldn't have 5 tries on 2lp hahahaa

[atomic vapor]

the lack of job is strong in that one

[dire forge]

probably

maybe he's one of those famous landlords

[kind atlas]

i got mine in 2 tries coz of this guy, i bought 5 garbage ones and only used 2. spent 6m.

[atomic vapor]

to be fair if I owned and rented out 10 apartments I'd probably be trying to take over the LE market as well

[dire forge]

me too lol

[atomic vapor]

"I did it irl time to do it ingame too" type beat

ballers ball

😭

[tight wraith]

i have Elcoe's abandon on, which upon throwing an acid flask will throw another one for more damage. I also have the chance to throw acid flask on bow hit idol. i assumed because it says throw on the idol it would trigger the Elcoe's effect. I tested it and it does not. any idea what is going on there?

[dire forge]

what can u do

nothing hehe

[dire forge]

do you use a bow"

???

[atomic vapor]

I don't think the idol flask counts as a direct throw

And elecoe procs direct throws

But I could be wrong I don't play flask

[kind atlas]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/acid-flask-on-bow-hit-idol-enchant-doesnt-function/77548

[atomic vapor]

oh rip

LE is like a minefield. Never know when you're gonna step on something that doesn't work

[dire forge]

rip, like AA freezing you in place in the middle of a 3500 amber echo xD

fkin box of chocolates

[atomic vapor]

There was a point earlier this season that people were discovering broken things left and right

Trex messing up your abom

[dire forge]

bug bingo xD

[atomic vapor]

Chakrams getting 60% of the more dmg 😭

Bleed more on raptors not working

Concentration bug

It came one after another

I love spending points on things that do nothing

[dire forge]

what concentration bug, i used it for a while in the first iteration of the build

[atomic vapor]

If you don't use bow it straight up doesn't give you more dmg

[dire forge]

i heard about conc bug but don't know what was the deal

[atomic vapor]

And even worse, if you get hit while it's up, it removes that 16% or however much you've got slotted

So you either have 0 or minus

Peak comedy

[dire forge]

ahahahahah

circus

[atomic vapor]

This season has been a series of expired cooks

Everything poisons you

My favorite thing was the follow up in the patch notes where they fixed the wall snapshot for mage I was like

Damn, yeah, now you showed those broken mages

😭

[dire forge]

timeshattering slam tier of bugfix i see

btw regarding expired food i can relate, we ordered kebab today and i got myself a box in which sauces come in packets so it's not soggy and shit

[atomic vapor]

It's just very funny damage control like "phew, we fixed wall snapshot, now mages have been brought in line, we can't have them being two zeroes away from bear"

[dire forge]

so i opened both sauces, poured them

[atomic vapor]

Sounds like s3 quality control

[dire forge]

and started eating only for me to see later that the expiration date on the hot sauce was 14.09 xD

[dire forge]

yeah ikr

[atomic vapor]

the big kebab and sauce incident of s3

[dire forge]

i didn't care tho and still ate everything, was hungry af

yes, i mean maybe that expired sauce helped me with that sub 1 run

glory to Kebab King

[atomic vapor]

you were meant to Speedrun Uber, not the bathroom

[dire forge]

sometimes those two things come together

because one forces you to do another fast in order to make it on time

[atomic vapor]

This reminds me of the "when mom says I can play for another 5mins and 43 seconds" reciting the exact duration of a speedrun

[dire forge]

oh yeah, Gothic 2 NotR speedrun i watched recently was like that

7:30 cuz gotta go out

[atomic vapor]

Hollow knight path of pain but I gotta clock in for work in 5

[tight wraith]

yes, i use a bow

[dire forge]

nevermind, @kind atlas sent a link to the forum post about that modifier being bugged

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/acid-flask-on-bow-hit-idol-enchant-doesnt-function/77548

[tight wraith]

doesnt look like anyone replied to him. but i guess that idol does not count as a direct throw after all.

[flint bough]

lmao best drop ive gotten this league

[dire forge]

oh sweet

[clear snow]

is this snow effect working as intended? cause I cant see shit

[graceful notch]

Snow rain, before I often encountered blood rain

[flint bough]

omfg

[graceful notch]

Gz

[flint bough]

lowest being sold for is 57m gold

ez money

[graceful notch]

But bad roll

[flint bough]

you got that too?

3 of the 5 ailments is good

just low on armor shred and poison

but its better than the ones being sold for under 100m

[dire forge]

shred kinda most important on mad spoon

from what i remember for lb ofc

[flint bough]

yeah :/

[dire forge]

but still a juicy thing

my biggest jackpot was a 3lp 2/2/3 phantom grip this season, sold for 13M, nothing better than that

[flint bough]

i just got 3lp army of skin like half an hour before i got that wand

but i already had a 3 lp army of skin imprinted

this one just rolled better

[graceful notch]

I'm farming some items to rebuild my Bladedancer. Last season, Synchronized Strike had a visual bug that made me lose interest in her after a while

[flint bough]

there was a visual bug?

whatever it looked like before i thought it was normal and didn't affect me too much

[graceful notch]

She doesn't jump to create a shadow but stands like a statue being pushed forward

[flint bough]

ahh i already forgot what the animation looked like. I only really started playing this season

[graceful notch]

The game's animation significantly affects me, it’s also the reason I was initially more interested in this game compared to others in the same genre

[flint bough]

ah i see

[flint bough]

?

those are yours?

nice

i just listed the wand for 105m

it seems like something that is being bought right now all listed are within the last 2 days

[graceful notch]

Its PLP is more forgiving than other boots

I have over 6 3lp boots even though I didn’t target farm them

[flint bough]

damn

ive gotten probably like 30+ 2 lps

maybe 50

[graceful notch]

A little tip is to bring them to meet the baby turtle, I once got two 3LP boots from a single reroll

That's why it all have great rolls

[flint bough]

yeah?

are you COF?

[graceful notch]

Yeah, I filtered its unique range from 1LP and below

[flint bough]

ah

[graceful notch]

I play just for fun, and updating their prices takes up a lot of my time and really gives me a headache

[flint bough]

i play for fun too. finding cool items is fun for me as well 🙂

[graceful notch]

Wish was slammed it on my army of skin

[graceful notch]

only have 1 and lowroll

[dire forge]

typical rare high lp item xD

[graceful notch]

I'm referring to @bold brook build, and I can't believe I even caught his luck... I've missed over ten times on those amazing army of skin 2lp

🙏

[graceful notch]

have this type but low range

[graceful notch]

I like these boots, it’s really easy to find them with 2-3lp and high roll 💪

[toxic swift]

I suspect they'll receive some kind of nerf next season. either up the LP level req, or reduce the more damage, or both

they're just too generically good for melee for such an easy item to get

[thin shale]

Quick question.
If my DPS main comes from "Ignites" does "Increased Fire Damage" boost my ailment ignites?

[cobalt mantle]

Yes, ignite deals fire damage over time, so anything that increases that or any combination of those things will apply to your ignites. Of note, increased elemental DOT is usually a great affix to look for where it's available since it rolls higher than other affixes like increased fire damage or increased DOT.

[thin shale]

Thanks,
I got a 4LP Dragonsong but rolling a good base is difficult.
Need all the Affixes I can get. Thanks Brother!

So Increase Elemental Damage is also an option? (not to be confuse with Elemental DOT)

[cobalt mantle]

Yes, although that one rolls lower than the other damage affixes, unfortunately, so it's not used in many builds

[raw zodiac]

any critiques on my bleed heartseeker build? Idea is stack bleed and consume stacks with puncture

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqrMRr2B

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.2

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (23) / Marksman (51) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,975, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 162.5, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 14%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 33 Dex / 7 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 15% / 42% / 15% / 54% / 5% / 29% / 41%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 632
▸ Dodge Chance: 23% (755)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 14% (408)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 12%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 114%

Used skills:

Shift / Puncture / Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker

[raw zodiac]

next step is choosing a primordial or t8

[sly hornet]

I have 3 additional points to spend for Acid Flask, what would you guys recommend?

I was thinking Smoulder

Then maybe 2 points into Tempered Glass for more shred chance

[potent arrow]

Area is nice for mono clear

[sly hornet]

True

[kind atlas]

100% splash zone

[flint bough]

nice

[bold brook]

at a quick glance you have 8 points in Once and 4 in Skiasynthesis in the Bladedancer passive tree that aren't doing anything for your build and should be put elsewhere

a good spot for these would be the Disembowel node in the Rogue tree, as im pretty sure it would apply the extra bleed stacks on every hit from every third heartseeker

[flint bough]

am I able to change my vitality to dexterity in the woven echo?

[bold brook]

no

[flint bough]

lmao i sold a 3lp army of skin for 500k thinking it was 2lp because i had a bunch of 2lp

:/

[kind atlas]

rip

[atomic vapor]

Now I know how sometimes random god items appear on the market for dirt cheap 😭

[kind atlas]

the 2lp rr went down to 34m. still no buyers

[crimson latch]

well im done with this season, i hope rogue gets better the next one!

was fun

[autumn solar]

i have a question about this line here on the maxroll shadow cascade build

Army of Skin is an alternative but then requires 
Siphon of Anguish to apply Doom, and 
Boulderfists to cancel out the Leech from it.

why exactly does the leech from siphon of anguish need to be canceled?

oh wait is it so that you stay at low life?

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, sounds like a low life build

[autumn solar]

that makes sense, thank you.

[graceful notch]

all best roll failed

[graceful notch]

@bold brook ur build dont need AS much or just failed slam?

[bold brook]

during last season when comparing numbers on the dps tooltip I found double flat melee or flat +crit multi to be better than flat + attack speed, I suspect because there's already a good amount of attack speed coming from the passive tree and gloves

attack speed still very good of course, and maybe even better in some situations, I wasn't too thorough or anything

just going off vibes and the tooltip

[graceful notch]

Maybe shadow cast not scale

[bold brook]

attack speed should still scale the damage of cascades from shadows (assuming you take the Leveraged Momentum node, which you 100% should)

[graceful notch]

You didn't try comparing it on the dummy, did you?

[bold brook]

i did not

[graceful notch]

@bold brook You’ve infected me already — 1/11 hits 😭

[bold brook]

The curse spreads lmao, at least you eventually got it though!

[toxic swift]

was there a node or flavor text somewhere that said that caltrops benefit from % more damage in the net tree, or am I imagining that?

[cobalt mantle]

The specific caltrops nodes all specify they apply to all sources of caltrops.
Aside from that, no I don't think anything makes it clear that caltrops cast by net are a subskill of it.

[toxic swift]

damn I don't know where I got that idea then

[cobalt mantle]

Just to be clear, the net skill tree does apply to caltrops cast by net

[toxic swift]

ah sick

working on updating my chakram BD for 1.3 and really liking the looks of wings of discord

[graceful notch]

@bold brook When you slam 4fun, you hit...when you slam for real, you always miss

This morning, I watched a clip of a Bladedancer using a spear with Puncture, farming very effectively at 1.5k

At first, I was very surprised, but then I realized that all of his main damage came from shadow daggers

[bold brook]

the trick is to make the game think you dont care about the outcome of the slam haha

[toxic swift]

yeah that was trikster's build. SD is the crutch of many jank BD builds lol, always has been

[graceful notch]

Got another

[toxic swift]

rip still no concentration fix

or silver shroud

[eager mason]

its gonna be change the text and call intended angle

[toxic swift]

that would be really dumb since it actively nerfs you if you take it

[atomic vapor]

They'll fix that and make it a bow only passive

[toxic swift]

that does seem likely

but still kinda dumb

[eager mason]

illusion of choice

you can click other ascendancies

but there is nothing to click

because every node is too specific

we have uniques but 90% of them are for 1 skill

[toxic swift]

I feel like BD is uniquely boned compared to other masteries since falconer and marksman are so hyper specific to things that BD can't use at all. Same kinda goes for MM

[sly hornet]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[flint bough]

cool 😄

@bold brook I did a little revamp. I ran out of gold but I'm wondering what else I could do when I sell my 4 lp Mad Alchemists Ladle https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Big_Mike69/character/Blade_Mikey

[bold brook]

first thing is you're using Concentration, which is still bugged pretty sure

you could also buy Immortal Vise and Shattered Worlds of the market for a good gloves and relic upgrade

a good Eye of Reen sword would likely be a damage increase from all the crit multi it would give you in combat, and then you could use a different primordial if you wanted to

[flint bough]

hmmm

[bold brook]

you got a very good amount of cooldown reduction, you could try speccing sync strike into Wave of Darkness for more dps. It is more mana intensive but with your cdr and if you were to move some passive points into Stamina of the Rover and Spellbreaker for mana regen it should be fine

especially if you get a better Lagon blessing for more mana as well

your phys resist is also quite a bit below the cap, and that is a very common damage type dealt by the enemies

getting Armor Shred on your gear would be a large damage increase as well (and/or put points in Hooked Blades passive)

[flint bough]

yeah i lost phys res but i fixed it just now

i had to take off a large idol

[flint bough]

honestly damage is not an issue for me. I'm doing large ammounts at 1830 corruption. I had to take off some of that damage to get more endurance for better survivability since I was taking a lot of damage

[bold brook]

biggest upgrades for tankyness would be Immortal Vise (gloves) and Shattered Worlds (relic)

assuming you get some good slams of course

Null Portent would help too with more health and phys res

and its overcapping res bonus (if applicable)

[bold brook]

you could also use Snowblind or Dominance of the Tundra for an armor increase (and you shouldn't need the cooldown from that helmet with your cooldown slams on belt and boots

I know 4LP snowblind (at least when I was active) was pretty affordable

[flint bough]

so i dont need that helmet?

[bold brook]

I had enough cdr with a t7 onb belt and t6 on boots, so i dont think you need the cdr on helm

[flint bough]

so i chill enemies with umbral blades right

so thats why its good?

[bold brook]

ya it gives umbral blades a high chance to chill and blind, and gives you a lot of armor against enemies that are chilled and/or blinded

and some cold res which can be nice

also being immune to chill is nice quality of life against some enemies

[flint bough]

whats a comfortable endurance threshold for this build?

[toxic swift]

endurance threshold is almost never worth actively scaling. whatever you get as the portion of your health is fine for SC BD

[bold brook]

its generally better to scale max health (which indirectly scales endurance threshold) rather than directly scaling endurance threshold

[flint bough]

could you explain that to me?

[bold brook]

at base, your endurance threshold is 20% of your max health, so increasing your max health by 10 also increases your endurance threshold by 2

(and with the passive node Outlander's Tenacity its actually increased by 3.5 because of the extra 15% max health as threshold it gives you if you haven't been hit recently)

[flint bough]

so basically increasing my health is more effective for endurance than increasing the threshold?

[toxic swift]

more effective at increasing your EHP, not necessarily endurance threshold itself

[flint bough]

increasing my endurance is the best defense I've done recently. I'm not dying as much

[bold brook]

yes Endurance itself is very important

Endurance Threshold is different and generally not worth increasing directly

[flint bough]

im at 53% endurance. Would the extra 7% make a big difference?

I could easily take off mor damage for 7% more endurance

[toxic swift]

as a rule of thumb you always want 60% endurance for life builds

[stable anchor]

it depends, easiest way would be to import your character to LEtools and add an endurance affix somewhere, see how much your EHP changes and decide if it’s worth giving up something

[flint bough]

I keep getting 1 hit by tremor stomp since I'm a melee character... What do you guys do?

[bold brook]

die and try again lol, tremor stomp is so overtuned haha

really though if i see that big plant enemy i try to pre-potion so i get stun immunity from Shattered Chains and hope that I can leech through the damage

[flint bough]

is this a good alternative to increased damage from shadows?

[flint bough]

@bold brook is putting more than 1 point into shadow master worth it?

i took points out of marksman like you suggested and i have points to allocate

focus fire gives me dexterity which is good for my build. should i remove the points from that as well?

[flint bough]

i fixed my passive tree

[bold brook]

Yes

[tight wraith]

hello. i am working on a rogue build. i am trying to decide between pumping ward a lot (which has kept me safely alive) or armor/endurance. I have the helmet to mitigate DoT as well as silver shroud, glancing blow, etc through passives but I am working on using idols + reliquary nest to max defenses. any thoughts on whether ward or armor/endurance is better as i move into 100+ corruption?

[toxic swift]

are you a bladedancer?

[flint bough]

finally got 60% endurance with the help of weaver idols

[raw zodiac]

so whats a 1000+ corr marksman builld - everything has really been falconer lol

[craggy sentinel]

is exploding balista with jelkhors dead nowdays?

[wraith nacelle]

Cold crit heart seeker is still 1000+ cor markman build . I just went back and played some of mine from last season and it was doing good

[junior oriole]

so shadow cascade blade dancer build on maxroll says concentration is bugged and requires a bow...is it still true?...because the acid flask falconer build maxes it out but doesn't use bow...

[raw zodiac]

Thanks got a link? Is it the maxroll one

[blazing radish]

That's still true

[wraith nacelle]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/eyeOfsuede/character/TheSuedeEye this is my current set up but its by no means perfect and I'm trying to figure out a primordial to work in but it farms 1k easy . Last season I did push 2k with a very glassy version using dark quiver instead of shurikens

If you want a full guide though I think maxroll has a version as well it starts on a fire set up until you get the reign of winter bow to switch into cold for more range

[crimson latch]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Nebline/character/Nebs

this is the version i use, killed uberroth with it hehe

[wraith nacelle]

Nice I was looking at using the mega crit amulet but it seemed like a lot of defenses to give up nihilis and and a lot of investment into crit chance

[raw zodiac]

Wings of Discord + Throne of Ambition ? Does it also doubles the more damage buffs?! genius

[wraith nacelle]

no it does not buff unique idols unfortunately or that would be super broken. Just the other idols of different shapes

[junior oriole]

does hydra arc shotgun?

[wraith nacelle]

From the limited testing I did with it it seemed like it would only use a singular attack if there was only one target around like a boss and only use multiple if there were more targets

[brave inlet]

does Acid Flask or Shuriken proc'ed by Shift benefit from the skill tree and do i need to have it on my action bar?

[graceful notch]

If it is a necessary condition, it will be included in the node's description..otherwise, you can activate them without needing to place them in the skill bar

[graceful notch]

That method is probably effective 😂

[cobalt mantle]

Yes, skill tree applies except for the stuff that only works on direct cast. For shuriken, shift overrides projectile count, also.

[toxic swift]

man, dodge-focused glass cannon builds are all fun and games until a single tick of DoT comes for you 😔

dodge requires so much investment to be a viable primary defense and you're still kinda boned because you end up being unable to scale health or res to mitigate DoT

gonna keep pushing on it though, glass cannon dodge chakram BD w/ wings of discord is pretty fun

[brave inlet]

What's the solution to the DOT dmg? (New rogue player)

[toxic swift]

as much damage mitigation as you can muster, and increasing your EHP which is extra difficult for DoT, and even more difficult for rogues because most of the defensive layers available to rogues only work on hits (dodge, glancing blow, silver shroud)

what I'm going to try is increasing my endurance threshold with the experimental dodge gloves prefix, and swapping my helm for seed, but I suspect that still won't stop me from getting 1 ticked by dots in high corruption

what I already have is both crimson shroud, which gives dot mitigation, and death's door, but the latter only works if you don't immediately die

I might have to try working time glass in there too

honestly though as a new player you should just focus on the traditional health and res defensive build. Dodge requires a lot of investment, so it's better to just gain it passively

I've just already done both HP rogues and low life ward rogues, so I wanted to try something new with wings

oh, and stun is also a great defensive tool when your focus is not getting hit in the first place

[rugged pollen]

you forgot the best solution

dont stay in dot pool

[toxic swift]

easier said than done lol

man I love dying to a hit with stacks of silver shroud up

[atomic vapor]

cdr + smoke bomb

makes you forget dots exist

(until one kills you)

[teal lagoon]

hi all

is Traitor's Tongue really that good

letssay for bladedancer shadow cascade

[graceful notch]

OP item

Ez find high lp, 13 crit change, +4 skill, as

[rugged pollen]

there are cases where it's not the bestest of the best

but you can't go wrong with it

too good of an item

[bold brook]

it is in fact that good

[graceful notch]

Julra set the bait and waited for me here

[toxic swift]

I failed my 2lp wings slam yesterday 😔

[graceful notch]

no fp

[rare halo]

Any other Umbral blade falconer builds other then maxroll one? cant push past 400 corruption

[zenith bridge]

New BD passives for S4

[toxic swift]

lmao those values are so pitiful for the amount of dex needed

[unborn lark]

interesting that it's all new nodes so far, either they're just cramming them in between existing stuff or cutting a lot of existing nodes

[toxic swift]

especially since there's no other reason to stack dex still (assuming no other dex stacking changes)

they seem to often forget that dex (and attunement) are pretty low-value attributes on their own

[atomic vapor]

the dex one is pathetic

but I love grit

[toxic swift]

I have literally never stacked dex on a BD that doesn't use mourningfrost

[stable anchor]

100 dex is quite reasonable though esp when you're getting 2 dex/point from nodes like this

[stable anchor]

red rings

[atomic vapor]

it's not about the dex req imo

the bonuses for 100 dex investment are

...

bleh

[toxic swift]

it's both the req and values

if those reqs were cut in half then those would be like "ok these or consolation bonuses"

[stable anchor]

the movespeed is acceptable, glancing blow and as are low i'll agree

[toxic swift]

if the bonuses were doubled or more then the req would make sense

[atomic vapor]

I understand it's just a dex node

[stable anchor]

why does getting capped glancing blow need to be so annoying

[atomic vapor]

But in my eyes it's too steep a price for the value

[toxic swift]

yeah that's the point I'm making

[atomic vapor]

I'll be honest if it was just dex and AS per point

it would be kinda cool

[stable anchor]

we're still like 3 months out most likely, the numbers will change for sure

[atomic vapor]

yeah

still a fan of grit

[stable anchor]

i stand by my prediction that BD season is incoming

[blazing locust]

Those changes are a bit...uninspiring to say the least

[toxic swift]

yeah they're very mid changes

the bleed one is nice though

grit is good too, but in a vacuum they're not enough

hopefully there's more

[stable anchor]

i get what y'all mean about the dex one, the ailment one and grit are nice imo

[blazing locust]

Its just a bit of stata though

[atomic vapor]

I hope it's actually proper bd love and not "well with TAS you can reach 2:20 uber", while falconer clears in 1min post nerf

[blazing locust]

nothing entirely gameplay changing

[stable anchor]

and bd having threshold bonuses to begin with is a W

[blazing locust]

but well see

[atomic vapor]

and you can still grab the totally balanced threshold one from falc

[stable anchor]

i wouldn't call the vast majority of the passive nodes in the game "gameplay changing" even on more recently changed masteries

[toxic swift]

the beastmaster passive changes were kinda nuts

• aspect changes

[blazing locust]

Lul, anyway aspects was stats only - op yes but just numbers

My hope is at least some love on skill trees

[toxic swift]

well yeah but the key change was that they were % more modifiers that apply to everything, and they're coming straight from the passive tree

[blazing locust]

Sure but its boosting dmg, its not giving you a fresh new way to kill stuff - the changes to skills casted by minions did that

Dancing strikes imo needs a refesh

[toxic swift]

ah I see what you're saying, yes

[blazing locust]

i love the skill idea wise but not the implementation

[toxic swift]

idk if passives are really the right place to do gameplay changes

not huge ones at least

[stable anchor]

it's similar to what happened last season, they started by showing passive changes and skill stuff will come later

[toxic swift]

skill nodes and gear are the better spots for that imo

[blazing locust]

They should open up posibilities though

[stable anchor]

and the more transformative stuff is likely to come up in skills

[blazing locust]

But its a tuff balance what type of power you put where

poe2 has too fkn much power in items for example

also not ideal

[toxic swift]

I think the teased changes do give us a bit of insight into where their head's at with the overall rework though

and right now it's just kinda mid lol

[stable anchor]

wait until they show off the new skill with the uncapped more multipliers

[blazing locust]

What could that skill be

any ideas

like thematically

what can we add

[stable anchor]

hopefully a way to generate shadows at a decent pace that isn’t sync strike

[toxic swift]

on a scale of heartseeker to divebomb, what should we expect lol

[stable anchor]

i’m so tired of sync strike being like the only way for BD to generate shadows

[blazing locust]

Should we be still pigeonholed into shadows though

wont a skill that can stand on its own be good

[stable anchor]

shadows are like, one of the core parts of the BD fantasy though

[toxic swift]

yeah, falconer kinda consumed BD's identity

[blazing locust]

So the same builds till eternity

i dont like that one bit

[toxic swift]

if there was an alternative to sync strike for shadow generation then I think it would be nice

[stable anchor]

what?

if we’re talking about shadow daggers i agree but shadows in general, nah

that’s like saying “should vk be pidgeonholed into echoes” imo

[blazing locust]

well just add more internal mechanica like that

different in playstile but still rooted in the origin "element" of sorts

[toxic swift]

I think we're all in agreement there

[blazing locust]

void knight can be many things dunno 😆

blade dancer - swings blades fast..go figure, hell even borrow from cabal online

[stable anchor]

i think like, dual wield, high mobility, shadows, assassin-y stuff is BD’s indentity, personally

and there’s still a lot of room for different options and builds within that

which having another reliable shadow generator would go a long way towards

[toxic swift]

allowing some of the melee skills to work with shadows would also be nice

like puncture, flurry, and cinder (not just burning daggers)

[stable anchor]

ye more consistency with what they can and can’t use in general would be dope

[blazing locust]

I dunno, i would prefer not to use shadows but still use 2 swords and be fast af

maybe a berserker 😁

[toxic swift]

that's not really unique to BD though tbh

can fit primalist or sent, and kinda lich now

and shatter strike spellblade

shadows are what make BD unique

[stable anchor]

honestly yeah if that’s what you’re looking for i think there are better masteries to fulfill that and i don’t realistically see that changing

[blazing locust]

Maybe youre right, but I do think something else thats on par with shadows can be added

so you can chose between 2 at least

paths so to say

[toxic swift]

I think I get what you're saying, but I feel like shadows can be at the heart of that, just with different ways to use them

like how lethal mirage consumes them to do more damage, but shadow cascade uses them

I suppose sync can also consume them for more damage, but who uses sync for its damage lol

[stable anchor]

wtb something in the lethal mirage tree to turn it into a shadow generator instead of shadow spender

[stable anchor]

i think it’s fair to want this, but i also think that you’re likely setting yourself up for disappointment.

[blazing locust]

Well see, december/january

i guess jan more realistic

[toxic swift]

that would be dope actually

[flint bough]

100 more corruption until i reach my goal 🙂

for bladedancer

[toxic swift]

nice!

[flint bough]

nerf tremor stomp plz

[wraith nacelle]

above 1k corr there will always be one shots , always have to play like your made of glass

[junior oriole]

what is the easiest uber killer for rogue this season?

[flint bough]

falcon

[junior oriole]

acid flask or that zdps ballista?

zhp sorry

wrong game for zdps

[flint bough]

lol when Zerrick accompanies you against shade of orobyss so EZ

[graceful notch]

Dancing Strikes still trash?

[crimson latch]

wowow new passive tree for rogue next season?

[toxic swift]

missed the slam on my 2nd 2lp wing and now I'm out of fodder 😩

[kind atlas]

falconer and bd flask both 40s uber

[marble lodge]

i swapped to BD from falconer and my singletarget and overall dps got so much worse, i just wanted to try it out with some t7 slams. But know i can't afford going back to falconer 😄

[kind atlas]

yeah we thought BD would be more dps, but the 40s kills were hamstrung by phase changes and immunities rather than differences in dps

[graceful notch]

Filter skill for Tongue dont work?

Nvm, just set dual rule

low crit multi 😭

[graceful notch]

craft this helm make me sick

Damn it, just t3 🥺

[graceful notch]

3 days target farm... almost done 🥹

[graceful notch]

Just wanted to slam a quick t7 dual ring for now, but I've already bricked five of them 🤦‍♀️

[molten grove]

IM TOO FAST

lol

[toxic swift]

YOU. ARE. SPEED

[wraith nacelle]

W

[molten grove]

lol

[toxic swift]

if you have a bot that you custom dev and have some kind of caching layer setup you can do what we did in the GD server to auto catch and ban these

[toxic swift]

I kinda hate that traitor's tongue exists

it's too good, and it feels like I'm leaving so much on the table if I don't take it

but I want the 40% GB for dual swords 😩

[graceful notch]

That was my previous thought regarding both wrongwrap, but now I feel it’s no longer necessary

[toxic swift]

I don't think wrongwarp does as much as tongue does

[graceful notch]

At 1.1, I didn’t see anyone using a wand other than it

[toxic swift]

that's not because wrongwarp was so good, but because the other wands were so bad

spoon had been nerfed, but before that spoon was on everything

now spoon is only used when you already have a lot of base spell damage

[graceful notch]

Both paths lead to the same outcome: you’ve only got one option

[toxic swift]

yeah but the difference is important. all wands need are some better options. there are a lot of good 1h weapons, swords and daggers alike, but tongue is just so good that it's near impossible to say no to it

[graceful notch]

It’s pretty similar to WS for Void Knight

But the special thing is that people don’t complain about it lol

[toxic swift]

I don't think that's quite the same comparison either because WS is only so dominant for the mana-heavy builds like ES and Warpath. WS isn't BiS for low-mana cost builds

I think a better comparison would be apathy's maw on VK before WS was a thing

in the current space though I don't think there's any equivalent (though I don't really play mage or acolyte at all)

[atomic vapor]

I don't think we should be "against" strong weapons existing because otherwise we get things like aberroth's command 😭

[toxic swift]

I'm not against strong weapons, I'm against weapons that are so universally good and splashable that they suppress choice

sword catcher, world splitter, eye of reen, etc. are strong weapons, but you don't see them inching out literally everything else

the fact that it's basically a blank slate with generically good stats that apply to every non-dot build combined with how easy it is to get with high LP make it oppressive

[atomic vapor]

with a little imagination traitor's affixes could be considered build defining similar to things like enigma

[toxic swift]

maybe, but traitor's is far more splashable than enigma is

[atomic vapor]

i found it very funny how it's bis for lich as well

[toxic swift]

entirely unsurprising though

[flint turret]

Noooooooooooooo don't make me stack dex on bd nooooooooo

Or at least change dex bonus being 4 flat dodge

[atomic vapor]

10 dex = 2% glancing blow

:PPP

[flint turret]

I don't care much about bd passive tree tbh, it's okay as is

The new skill will make or break bd tho

And I don't even know what I would want to see

Shadow daggers having its own tree might be interesting

[atomic vapor]

better not be some flicker strike type crap

[flint turret]

So you could spec them into damage, dot or whatever

[flint turret]

We already have lm which is kinda similar

[atomic vapor]

I can't think of something blade-y that'd be thematic that there's not already a general archetype of

[flint turret]

Yeah the most iconic for bd would be either something shadow related or shadow daggers related probably

Or maybe they are cooking something new entirely

I'd the new skill will be nearly as well designed as hs I'm all down for it

Hs has put the bar quite high