#🔪┃rogue

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dire forge
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Yeah I love it when I walk into a perfectly visible purple trail in the first phase omegalul

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Let's see

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Yeah that looks amazing

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BTW wouldn't you cut a few seconds off if you smoke bombed to second harbi to kill him faster?

atomic vapor
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yep, I've been experimenting with this lately, because that makes me have to build up again when I get back to him

dire forge
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That's what I'm doing usually

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Oh makes sense

atomic vapor
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so I try to trigger an early teleport to drop aerial assaults in the spot I'm standing

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this time it didn't work out that well

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it's not a perfect kill

dire forge
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Still very fast run

atomic vapor
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I'm just happy I broke the barrier, I'll get it further down with better execution

dire forge
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BTW I'm wondering about something

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But i forgot what that was

atomic vapor
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the gigachad idol setup

dire forge
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Oh you have such idols

atomic vapor
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(I don't have two more small pen ones yet LOL)

dire forge
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I have a totally different setup

atomic vapor
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I only go ornates for uber, not maps

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not worth going low hp for mapping

dire forge
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Yeah exactly

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That's why I was surprised

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BTW aren't shared multi 2x2 idols with armor shred effect better?

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They reach up to 25% multi

atomic vapor
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+120 from liraka 620

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pen starts being better than multi when you get close to 700%

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full pen idols should be better

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but I don't have them

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well I have 2 Facepalm

dire forge
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Makes sense

atomic vapor
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plus, I don't think 50ish multi compares to 500% increased

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26 shroud stacks x 16 + 45 x 2 increased throw

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ofc mine aren't maxrolled yet but I rolled a 20ish throw on both

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8% umbrals obviously

dire forge
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Yeah probably needs tweaking a little bit

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Well perfection takes time

atomic vapor
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I am fully convinced I can push it down to 1min

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b tier build omegalul

dire forge
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Don't post it then please, don't want our dear falconer to die

atomic vapor
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I doubt it'll get anymore nerfed 😭

dire forge
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Idk man, it currently needs so much investment that its strength is justified

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But we never know

atomic vapor
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the good thing about falconer is it scales amazingly with gear

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20 more dex? one more bladestorm

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more throw? all blade explosions get buffed

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the way it multidips is insane

dire forge
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Yeah I love it, diablo 2 feels

atomic vapor
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exactly it feels synergistic

dire forge
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It just makes sense

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I just talked about it to my friend yesterday, Diablo 2 was about those sweet gear improvements which mattered

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And falconer gives me those vibes

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Every single throwing, phys damage point counts as well as cdr and other shit

atomic vapor
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ragu would've loved this 😭

flint turret
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Siphon leeches with void dot unless boulderfist

dire forge
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btw @atomic vapor do you have epoch points?

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there's a must have MTX for our dear ladies

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which i recommend you buy if u got points like asap, it helps a lot

atomic vapor
atomic vapor
dire forge
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cherry blossom smoke bomb

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pure lyf hax it is

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perfectly shows you the radius of smoke

atomic vapor
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I was considering it actually

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for the visual clarity

dire forge
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it's insane QoL

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trust me

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totally worth it

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and for me, a touhou fan, it was a must have for the reference to PCB and yes i know that reference was probably unintended

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just look at this clarity

atomic vapor
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second \o/

potent arrow
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this is so mental i have been running echo's for over 3 hours in the correct timelines and i cannot find Daimond Matrons, im now zoning between the temple rooftop zone in act 10 to kill that spawn over and over what the actual f

atomic vapor
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don't use that zone

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mike confirmed prophecies are affected by corruption

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all those zones are useless

potent arrow
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i understand but im not finding the mob after multiple hours

atomic vapor
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yeah I simply don't pick those prophecies up

potent arrow
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yeah i have learned my lesson very close to quitting the game holy shit

frosty dune
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which stat i need to boost to make aerial assault going faster as traversal skill. Its melee or throwing attack speed ?

bold brook
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should i keep this or keep fishing for crit?

flint turret
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have you finished uber btw?

bold brook
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no, havent yet tried it today

potent arrow
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finding a new idol is easier to getting a better enchant 😛

flint turret
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i have spend around 80k ember(just in echants) and didgt even get t6 on the last idol

eager mason
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tried uber on chakram finally

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its like 2:20

atomic vapor
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what gear?

eager mason
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so single t7 would be like 4mins maybe

atomic vapor
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yeah it's way better than an endgame planner

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I'm shocked it's slower than umbrals

eager mason
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also we are still missing 16% from concentration

flint turret
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i dont believe yors or mishas benchmars anymore FrightenedGroleWrongDirection

eager mason
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did you decide on dancing or normal

flint turret
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i have better results on non dancing but im doing dancing

atomic vapor
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did you see that vid from that chinese guy doing chakrams and deleting uber. has no planner or anything through, could easily be hacked 4lps offline

flint turret
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i feel like its necessary for the last phase

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but i cant even reach it yet with dancing

eager mason
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if you go non dancing you might wanna get some more damage affixes

flint turret
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i cant take a single mee if im under 5.5k ward

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i cant do that

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damage isnt an isue

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the issue is that when i try to go in he does birning groun and jumps into it, i kite, he uses artillery, i kite again, he uses blue hole, i kite again he uses rd hole, i kite again, burning ground went off cd

eager mason
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xdd

flint turret
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sometimes i literally just have to kite for 1.5 min straight

eager mason
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yeah melee isnt really fun on this fight but if you are also squishy like bd its pretty annoyingh

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I think I basically went zhp on my ll kill

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it was basically ward on shadow creation and my red rings werent working

flint turret
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also that invisible burning ground with close to none telergraphing is just blergh

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id say 70% of my death a due to it

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damage is fine with dancing really

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i can burn him down super fast when i dont mess it up

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but its tough

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im using smoke and dancing btw

eager mason
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no umbral?

flint turret
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yeah

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i tried lots of combinations this seems okay

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if i wasnt as bad with dancing

eager mason
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I think its just dancing being bad

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or annoying to use rather than bad

flint turret
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i dont do enough damage wiyhout it

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i can get to lats phase somehow but i wont clear it

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dr from dot in neded

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well, with dancing i cant even reach last so its a lose-lose atm

bold brook
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so close

eager mason
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Pog

flint turret
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i legit might a need a week for it

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if i do it every day for several hours

potent arrow
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oh might have something here

potent arrow
atomic vapor
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love the crit roll

rugged pollen
potent arrow
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thats gonna gather dust for a bit

rugged pollen
bold brook
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also 90% multiplier from Cascade should theoretically be enough, I just need to be better

dire forge
# bold brook so close

i died once at 3% edit: and it was my like 40th try before first kill this season, was tilted beyond belief

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feelsbadman

flat nacelle
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Smoke bomb traversal?

dire forge
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check smoke bomb tree

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bottom center around that

potent arrow
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you can also equip a last laugh sword to cull

bold brook
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i could do that, but gear swapping is cringe

potent arrow
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hehe its hard enough as a bladedancer

eager mason
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I actually failed the uber trying to swap to last laugh before

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you have more damage vs lowlife on cascade anyways

bold brook
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i am once again asking for the ground destruction hitbox to actually match its visual

potent arrow
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whats this t4 loot drop as CoF 🙁

flat nacelle
atomic vapor
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what are you trying to play?

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almost all falconer setups use smoke bomb as traversal

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shift has better bd synergy and aerial assault is better used with the tag turned off because they botched the traversal property

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on top of it, when you turn smoke bomb traversal it gets cdr built in

flat nacelle
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So Aerial Assault is my traversal; drops bleed caltrops

atomic vapor
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😔 you chose a tough one

flat nacelle
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Ah so maybe better with decoy after all then?

atomic vapor
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if it helps

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AA drops caltrops even if it's not traversal

eager mason
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deadly was like 10secs faster

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got a 3lp flames of midnight from it

potent arrow
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the one with t6 mana efficiency instead of cascade missed :<

stiff sable
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Anyone got any good heartseekers build this season? Other than the same one as last?

sage canyon
eager mason
sage canyon
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im alredy blasting poe on 8 button build

sage canyon
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but im assuming it hits 2ce on return

eager mason
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I mean can improve both

sage canyon
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if it doesnt then rip

eager mason
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I wasnt playing perfectly because I know its gonna be easy

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missed a lot of returning hits on chakram

sage canyon
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ye but does it hit 2ce?

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like initially and on return?

eager mason
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yeah

sage canyon
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ye chakram should be double dmg hmm i wonder what im missing

  • deadly aim makes 4 projectiles on avarage=4x
  • charkram is 2x then 2x adn 1.98x(from 7 shurikens) =8x
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even if you didnt play perfectly it shouldve been noticeable

eager mason
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oh nvm Im stupid

sage canyon
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ye it seems like it doesnt double hit on return

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so then ye its slightly lower dps

eager mason
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yeah it hits twice

eager mason
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so the 100% more node is actually 60?

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2x1.6x1.84= 5.888

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idk if Im missing something Im going to sleep

bold brook
eager mason
dire forge
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@atomic vapor redemption time for me

inner musk
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whats your build

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i am rocking this rn

potent arrow
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im playing shadow cascade

inner musk
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ohh nice

zenith bridge
lapis pumice
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20% on funny hydra ballista 💀

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fixed a few things kill should be a matter of time 🙏

kind atlas
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is this useful for any builds, ran out of fp so will probably abandon my attempt, but could still sell it

cobalt mantle
kind atlas
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yeah though i meant any of the builds guys in here are discussing, not sure if crit is a thing

cobalt fern
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can I use the dagger that turns detonating arrow into a melee attack trigger the explosive trap from "Hold This", and have that trap trigger another arrow from "Arrow Traps"?

dire forge
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nothing to spend money on 🙁

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shame we can't sell favor for gold xD

daring yew
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Sheesh I didnt realize you could cap favor

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That's crazy

toxic swift
kind atlas
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ok cool

dire forge
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looks funny

eager mason
flint bough
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omfg i just got this drop 😄

eager mason
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also if you are like missing shred on gear and only have it on tree deadly is gonna be better because of the amount of hits

graceful notch
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Then imprint another 3lp Gregory

zenith bridge
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@flint turret i read you said something about concentration being bugged? Currently leveling a new char and putting points into concentration boost my dmg. At least skilltooltip dps. Any specific skill you were using or did the dmg loss apply to all skills?

zenith bridge
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just leveling a char, putting points into conc and check skills like puncture and subskill SD

potent arrow
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we checked it multiple times

flint turret
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You have no conc, you put points in conc and the tooltip goes up?

zenith bridge
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yep

potent arrow
zenith bridge
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did you always test with 8/8?

flint turret
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Maybe they ninja-fixed it then

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I'll check again

zenith bridge
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because there was a bug with Fire and Steel passive, where only 1 point worked, but all the other 7 points didnt do anything 😅

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so maybe maxed points are bugged

flint turret
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Hmmm

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I'm.pretyu sure my 1/8 didn't work either

potent arrow
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Ragulol even saw that conc didnt improve his damage but getting hit made him lose dmg

flint turret
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Yeah so the case was

potent arrow
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so it was 8 points to lose 16% dmg when getting hit

flint turret
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Lemme find it

zenith bridge
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whats weird is, when i lose conc buff, my tooltip dps is lower than normal dps tooltip. But points into conc definitely show me more dps

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i need to check later with dummies

eager mason
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doesnt work for me

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puncture lm or shuriken

zenith bridge
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when you spec into conc your tooltip is not increasing? Why is it working for me...

flint turret
potent arrow
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i recorded myself hitting dummies with 0/8 and 8/8 couple of times, no dmg increase

flint turret
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Discussion below

flint turret
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And I didn't see any damage increase while having conc at all

eager mason
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you dont gain damage but you still lose the damage when you are hit

zenith bridge
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the less dmg taken i share with you, i also see that. But i gain dmg for sure, at least tooltip

flint turret
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Weird

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Maybe they half-assed the fix?

eager mason
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or maybe its bugged with another node

flint turret
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Oh yeah

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Do you have the last one?

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After dodge

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It gives movespeed which gives damage

potent arrow
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now who would make a mistake like that

flint turret
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My testing was without it to not mess my numbers up

zenith bridge
flint turret
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Hmmmm

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I guess I'll need to test it again

zenith bridge
potent arrow
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are you a bladedancer Trickster?

zenith bridge
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nah mm

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has to be bugged in combo with another node

potent arrow
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all 3 of us are BD's in our tests

flint turret
zenith bridge
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when i get hit or when i remove my conc points?

flint turret
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Both

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Are they the same

zenith bridge
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very strange behaviour there when i get hit, numbers jumping around all over the place

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lowest ist 833

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when hit

eager mason
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what if it only works on mm

zenith bridge
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mm OP

flint turret
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I have mm I'll try it on mm

eager mason
zenith bridge
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i told you for 4 years, mm is just the best😅

flint turret
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Why would numbers jump tho

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There is nothing outside of conc affecting it

zenith bridge
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because its last epoch 🙂

flint turret
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Maybe you get stunned and it affects tooltip DPS?

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What's going on

zenith bridge
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i let you know when i'm testing with dummies, then i do some respec

flint turret
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On a side note I'm so cooked on Uber with cascade bro. Zdps hs was 20 times easier

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I even had worse gear on hs than on my ll cascade

potent arrow
zenith bridge
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its that range playstyle and wasd making HS so good mechanically i guess

flint turret
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Yeah

zenith bridge
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u are all playing online right?

potent arrow
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i am

flint turret
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With dancing I bring Uber down to 80% and around 70% ward during his spin but I can't even reach the last phase with dancing

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I get him to first harb during his 2-3 attacks after spin

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But the next 2 phases I just cant

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Bugs, invisible burning ground and everything else combined

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Also I can't no longer stay in a red hole which didn't do any damage in 1.2 to my mm. Now it's hitting me for 5k

zenith bridge
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ok switched to my bd, and tooltip stays the same for sync strike/cascade/puncture with conc, no matter how many points

potent arrow
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so this bug affects BD but not MM

zenith bridge
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can someone check with a falconer?

potent arrow
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this is a legacy falconer from 1.2 and tooltip numbers went up with 8/8 conc

mellow gyro
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How viable is Dancing Strikes?

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In hardcore

flint turret
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its as spaghetti code as it gets bro

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the game just wont let me do uber FrightenedGroleWrongDirection

flint turret
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nice hitbox bro

potent arrow
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Got a 2lp chest, what mod next to t7 cascade lvl would u put on it Ragu? Im leaning %hp, flat hp and then dmg per shadow/mana eff with sync

flint turret
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dodge % is okay too

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damage done by shadows too

potent arrow
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im not really running dodge

flint turret
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oh well

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armor % then maybe

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but prefixes and hp% are the most appealing for sure

potent arrow
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flat hp feels superweak compard to %hp

fading hawk
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is there anyway to make hail of arrows good this season

flint turret
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it was super good last season and now we also fave primordials so i dont see how its not the case

fading hawk
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isnt it kinda clunky tho bc you need dark quiver

flint turret
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after playing dancing strikes cascade on uber i cant reall ysee anything ranged as clunky

fading hawk
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but dont you need to drop the quiver and then go and walk around to pick them up?

wraith nacelle
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Does any one know if you can farm weaver items through CoF prophecies ? I want to try using the rouge weaver relic to potentials add some dr to low life cascade

cobalt mantle
wraith nacelle
stable lynx
potent arrow
flint turret
flint turret
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100 attempts today only 1 got to last phase FrightenedGroleWrongDirection

atomic vapor
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Is it perhaps time for you to embrace the bird

sage canyon
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its annoying to use it and not step into all possible shit in uber fight

flint turret
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its cooked

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im legit out of ideas

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like everything id going okay and then suddenly i cant deal damage for 1-2 min straight

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and i either risk it or just do nothing

toxic swift
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what about erased boots for more dot mitigation? the persistent floor dots were what gave me the most trouble last season

flint turret
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i have 30% and 20% mitigation with dancing

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its not abiyt mitigation

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everything is fine until like 3-30 and then its fukked

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last attempt for example

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straight up no damage from 3-30 to 4-10

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and watching it again i have no idea what could i do either

atomic vapor
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It looks really hard to avoid balls when all of your roation locks you into an animation

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I think the difference is just gear no? Because Misha uses an endgame planner which is far better than your ethical version

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Flows better into phases

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Doesn't allow Uber to do too much crap

flint turret
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i dnt really care about balls at this point

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i have 2 cleance its fine

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i can stay in like 3

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i cant stay in burning ground\blue\red holes

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and lasersif its more than one

atomic vapor
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Yeah but the longer it takes the more and more void beams you stack. In the end there it was balls and beams and ground at the same time

cobalt fern
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does anyone know, can I use the dagger that turns detonating arrow into a melee attack trigger the explosive trap from "Hold This", and have that trap trigger another detonating arrow from "Arrow Traps"?

flint turret
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it was even 3-8

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its really frustrating i cant even get to the last phase with dancing ngl

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all my last phases were without it

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and im totally cooked there witjhout dot mitigation

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if i was better with rhythm stacks management it would be fine

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but ive been practicing it for like 3 days and i dont see any relevant improvement

bold brook
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I GOT HIM

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ill upload video soon

flint turret
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At least someone is getting it on cascade this season

atomic vapor
flint turret
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on a side note does chill even do anything to uber?

bold brook
daring yew
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Gzzz

bold brook
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so unsure fully

flint turret
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casually eating up multiple 3-sectors one after another

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and blue artillery

bold brook
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and thats after lowering ele res for mana regen

flint turret
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and overhead flail

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ans spinning blade

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and burning ground full hit

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this is crazy ngl 2.3 k damage for full frontal burning fround hit

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for me its 11k or something

bold brook
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i think Apostacy really helped, was a great suggestion

flint turret
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even suck doesnt kill lol

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and not even 10 beams at the same time

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im amazed honestly

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i counred at least like 15 times i would have been dead

potent arrow
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you had the uberroth gloves and relic already for before u killed Uberroth?

bold brook
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blossom of immortal stone for turning void into phys and then armor mitigation applying to dot

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very nice

potent arrow
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those seem very powerfull for that fight

flint turret
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if thats what it takes im pretty much fukked

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im like 50%to 60% less EHP, 30% less damage and 70% less sustain

bold brook
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ya, delayed hit damage is very good

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also shattered worlds of course is nuts

potent arrow
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dont think LL can even use the gloves as we leech ourselves out of LL

bold brook
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prob not ya

flint turret
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I'm 95% sure if you used dancing strikes you could just tank everything, because you kinda already did anyway. I bet you could outleech burning ground if you had extra 20% and extra 30% mitigation

bold brook
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maybe, I haven't tried recently but there was 0 chance of sustaining mana with dancing previously (if i took the extra mana cost node), but I did gain a lot of mana sustain in between then and now

flint turret
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You don't need extra node it doesn't affect mitigation

bold brook
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true, maybe ill limit test that sometime

flint turret
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This is probably the tankiest bd I've ever seen tbh

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I think I need to reslam my boots from t7 cdr t5 frenzy to t7 hybrid t5 cdr

eager mason
flint turret
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I don't need as much cdr with dancing anyway

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And I'm not using shift to not mess up my stacks

flint turret
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I'm already not using it for the most part

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I tail the Uber with dancing and when I have 7+stacks I start to hold sync+dancing

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And shift only when I'm finished with mana

bold brook
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ah

flint turret
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So there is no point in having frenzy on shift in this setup and this gameplay really

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I would also like to have chains t7 hybrid t5 cdr probably

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But I'm not farming this for sure

bold brook
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%health might be better, it is for me

flint turret
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Whatever

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Dodge on nihilis wasn't the best idea for Uber too probably

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Even tho it helps sometimes

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Does anyone know if chill does anything on Uber

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I don't have it my dancing smoke setup

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And I'm not sure it changes anything either

flint turret
flint turret
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okay im not tripping

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they changed how silver shrouds work ACTUALLY

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now it is removed regardless of your natural dodge %

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it doesnt check ahnymore for your natural dodge first

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so basically stacking dodge is useless for slver shroud

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and it wasnt the case in 1.2

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i have a video of it working

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1.2 im dodging and i have silver left

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1.3 i cant keep silver for once when lvl 10 enemy hits me and i dodge 85% of the time

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this tottaly explains why i cant dodge shit on uber

true zephyr
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is the shadow cascade bladedancer build from last season still reliable? im not sure how much actually changed going into this season

flint turret
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it got better

bold brook
flint turret
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i thought im being paranoid

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but getting recked all the time make me double ckeck it

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EGH actually gaslit me into thinking im crazy

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there goes my dodge stacking for uber

flint turret
bold brook
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thats actually so unfortunate, wasn't in any patch notes either

flint turret
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i wouldnt be stacking dodge othervise

wraith nacelle
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first double t7 dagger slam hits . Hell yea

sage canyon
true zephyr
# flint turret it got better

i found a build on lastepochtools, i can just follow it still right? i know u said it got better just making sure nothing fundamentally changed on the build

flint turret
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we got primo options and new boots

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now that ive started rewatching old videos its even more weird

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sometimes it was left intact but not as much as you would expect with 60%+ dodge

bold brook
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you would not get the extra flat melee damage from the dagger for the arrow from the trap though, because it wouldn't be a direct use

cobalt fern
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that makes sense

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thank you

topaz forge
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Anyone have a good loot filter for shadow cascade bladedancer? Or where I can get one? Just started monos

thin quartz
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rift beast in my hideout?! what a new feature

dire forge
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@atomic vapor 1:29 new record for me

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With your setup probably could go down to 1:15

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there were two chances of making t7 t7 relic, both bought, both ate all FP in 3 crafts

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so i had to settle with t7 t6

scenic mauve
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hi does the node "intuitivee connection"(falconner tree) make "rushed wings"(dive bomb)obsolete ? im not sure i peerceive the nuance betwen instant cast and shorter delay

limber rock
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Anyone experiencing aerial assault become greyed, unclickable for like 10secs when entering an echo? Idk if its bug, i tried searching seems like a bug for some players too on previous years...idk what node causes it btw...tnx

dire forge
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Not only aerial assault, dive bomb as well, I just press keys randomly and it fixes itself within seconds lol

limber rock
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Ok tnx...just so annoying xD

dire forge
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Yes, something's happening but no idea what

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It looks like falcon isn't working for the first few seconds after entering echo

limber rock
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I found this note from some guys on steam

Don't use the 5sec aoe node, that seems to trigger it. I haven't had any problems with the ability since I specced out of that. I like it, but until it gets fixed I won't be using it.

I thnk thats the featherstorm node...ddnt tried myself

dire forge
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Might be that, I mean it's not a big issue

lapis pumice
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let's gooooooooooo

dire forge
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2k hp tom

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That's at least alarming

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Good job tho

lapis pumice
dire forge
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Oh then it's totally deserved, well played

lapis pumice
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i tried a bunch of stuff, ended up just going 220 dex & blast

dire forge
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I'm kinda proud of myself as well for holding to original idea of UB falc tbh, people were tweaking this build, tried incorporating bleed and shit and I was out there putting my whole trust in pure crit multi and pen GigaChad

dire forge
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Got eye cancer in around 3 seconds omegalul

lapis pumice
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haha

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it's a fun build tho

dire forge
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For sure, sounds good

lapis pumice
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i'll update the gear made bunch of changes

dire forge
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How long did the fight take?

lapis pumice
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lemme check vod

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2:50

dire forge
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Holy shit

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Then some skill must have been used

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My first ub kill was also around 2:30-3 mins

lapis pumice
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hmm i made one huge change actually, going shift as traversal

dire forge
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This season

lapis pumice
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with dex + cdr stacking

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you legit have 70% uptime of 22k dodge rating

dire forge
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Does shift profit from dex somehow or what

lapis pumice
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yea

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4 dodge rating per dex

dire forge
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Oh well

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Oh yuge

lapis pumice
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x all the rogue mults

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u get 5 digits

dire forge
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Yeah easily

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With JQ belt it's even more

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Unless you use a different belt

lapis pumice
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this node also did a big diff, new addition to the build

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then i play shift does cascade node

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u proc traps for free

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every 2.1s

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helps with the huge mana problems

dire forge
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I used that in like 0.9 or idk

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Tried building around cascade trigger

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But failed miserably

lapis pumice
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x)

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i just use it as my melee condition for the trap node

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it's not much but it adds a bit

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of dps

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like 5 10% maybe

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cuz you still proc a bunch of traps when it triggers

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like every sprinkler stuff get procced by the melee trap still

dire forge
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BTW maybe you will know, @atomic vapor is a fellow UB falc enjoyed as well and he's got ornate idols in his pure bossing setup, what modifiers might he have on them? I legit don't know what fits there, I don't remember all the mods tho so maybe it's that

dire forge
lapis pumice
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u mean weaver mods ?

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never played ub so can't rly help

dire forge
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No no weaver

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Regular ornate rogue idol modifiers

lapis pumice
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i think u can get flat throwing from them ?

dire forge
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Ohhh

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That one I didn't know

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Interesting

lapis pumice
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it's only 3 tho 😂 from humble

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so probs not that

dire forge
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Nah not that then

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Okay to hell with that, was supposed to go to sleep but gotta check this now

atomic vapor
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Yeah ornates get increased throwing

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(8 + 8) * 26 + 45 * 2 = 506% increased damage for 2 ornate idols at 26 shroud stacks while sitting still while Uber channels something (usually meteors)

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It outpaces the miniscule flat from humbles but you could get a setup with pen/throw humbles and pen smalls

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It won't be as good though imo

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At 200 dex you get 800% increased, which means another 500% is more than half of that for only 8 idol slots

lapis pumice
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we dodging a little

atomic vapor
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That's only for Uber though, for maps not only is it worthless because you're never above 3-5 stacks but also because no health for mapping is death

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Ragu showed above how hard they nerfed silver shroud, or rather dodge

atomic vapor
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It's good enough for me to get the time of the most nerfed class in the season down to almost one minute

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Bear which is considered op is half that with comparable gear

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Not bad for a b tier class

dire forge
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I mean I got the majority of BiS offensive affixes

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Now would need to try getting idols

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Also how the hell do you manage to get 26 shroud stacks

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I'm sitting at max 16-17

atomic vapor
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Sit exactly on it and make sure you have 4/4 on that divebomb thing that shortens the dive delays

dire forge
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I do

atomic vapor
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If you're not exactly on Uber, some divebombs go stray and you lose stacks

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I think you can see it in one of my vids

dire forge
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Hmm

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I will look into it then later, currently feeling like a living corpse

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Sesh was a little too intense omegalul

atomic vapor
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I'm personally pleased by how much I've pushed, maybe I'll slow down and farm more casually or whatever

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But it's a very respectable time and I think it proves the point that umbrals is incredibly strong still

dire forge
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I wanted to show my dedication in form of woven echoes I have been grinding for the last week or so

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But the file is 1.1 MB too large

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Too lazy to upload to yt xD

dire forge
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Also MG shat out a load of double t7s worth rerolling for us this season so I was stoked

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Dried the supply on each double t7 worthy base pretty much by myself omegalul

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Also regarding slowing down that's a very good idea so you don't burn out so fast

atomic vapor
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It's moreso that when it comes to power level the game has an identity crisis

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It doesn't know what it wants to do

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Because aspirational gear is a process of jumping through hoops

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Even when you loot something, you rely on a 33% roll to slam

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Not many games where a loot you get is taken away from you

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Combine it with the fact that the metagame for farming is the same 3 maps or so

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The argument is "that power level isn't balanced, so gear grind hits a brick wall"

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To which my counter argument is 1)why make Uber, and why plan for more Uber fights and 2) why are you putting hard limits to obtainable gear vs potential gear less than halfway there, in a game all about numbers

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It's been stated multiple times before that ultra rare 3lps being a roll to brick feels horrible and should be a more deterministic craft

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I don't wanna pull a 1/4k item and then brick it

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It feels like I lost 3 days of farming

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If I want to gamba 24/7 there are games for that

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So on one hand EHG doesn't want us to "push that high corruption", then puts diminishing returns on exactly that corruption and not before

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You ask them "what's the ideal Uber kill speed for a balanced build"

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"I cannot comment on that"

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...then how are we supposed to know what your idea of balance is...

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and on top of it there's so many small details that I fundamentally disagree with

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What even is the point of separating rift beasts from woven echoes

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Why not bridge the two season mechanics if they're permanent

tacit owl
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Hello. I am on my alt character and i would like a lvl boost. I unlocked my Monos.

dire forge
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I basically skip all the season content because of that idiotic thing

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And evo end trade locked because reasons KEKW

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Also rampant coast forcing you to take more steps for a single evolution's end SUCKS COCK

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Thank god umbrals are alive like fr

potent arrow
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rampant coast might be the best amber grind tho

dire forge
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How come

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Does that beast drop ambers?

potent arrow
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1 rampant vcoast is almost 1 bag of amber from the bone merchant (5k amber)

dire forge
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Whaaaaaaat?

potent arrow
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maybe 3 rampant coasts is 2 amber bags

trim zodiac
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see not so usless

dire forge
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You buy those bags with organs right

potent arrow
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1500 bones 1 heart 10 horns i think

dire forge
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Or with what

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Ffs

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I have nearly 100 coasts

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That's a lot of amber

potent arrow
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but your normal rift beasts u gotta take horn evolutions cause that will be your bottleneck

dire forge
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Makes sense yeah

potent arrow
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so evolves that give Primordial Horns

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and as these coasts spawn like mad its a decent imprint

dire forge
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I mean i was farming velocyn's jaw so I don't worry that much about horns, gathered a lot

atomic vapor
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It's only good for the primo, it's not enough amber to sustain troves

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Party trove spam still meta

dire forge
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Party trove or bust yep

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I mean even 2 people farming troves will break even by a little but break

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But 3 or 4 are already at huge profit

potent arrow
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yeh not a party gamer here

atomic vapor
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Nono

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2 people is perma

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Tested it

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😝

dire forge
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Yeah that's what I meant

potent arrow
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also with ur umbral builds u kill rampant coast in 10s 😛

dire forge
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You won't get a lot more than to sustain but you will sustain

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Yeah that's true

atomic vapor
dire forge
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The only pro of that situation

atomic vapor
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I just don't wanna rely on map imprints for no trove imprint procs

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It yields what, 1 trove per 3 rampant?

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kinda meh

dire forge
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Problem with my monolith for example rn is that I have so many woven echoes placed the map starts lagging

potent arrow
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almost 3 troves per 3 rampants

dire forge
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And i need to finish those before resetting

atomic vapor
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Right now we got 180 troves placed down

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I don't know man

atomic vapor
dire forge
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That's what I said earlier

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If u push hard af you'll burn out quicker

terse bloom
atomic vapor
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I wouldn't have if it wasn't gamba hell

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We bricked 6 razors for my friend

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Over double odds

dire forge
atomic vapor
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All 2/12s with 16/32 slams btw

terse bloom
dire forge
atomic vapor
atomic vapor
dire forge
dire forge
kind atlas
atomic vapor
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even juse slowed down, what's that rookie dagger. Where's my 4lp triple t7 jaw

dire forge
#

I mean even I have a t7 multi t6 pen like wtf Juse you're slacking

terse bloom
kind atlas
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ah yeah

atomic vapor
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they still didn't nerf that thing

trim zodiac
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its what they were doing in beta as well

atomic vapor
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nice ig

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They probably have the same CT as LE

kind atlas
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its literally what eveyone has already done since 0.1 since fubgun started that and everyone followed

atomic vapor
dire forge
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Vision xD

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That game was and is still doomed imo

atomic vapor
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I think I'm gonna play some hollow knight for a while to decompress

dire forge
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And I'm in for all of that

rugged pollen
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trading is much much better now

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asynch trade is godsent

dire forge
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I'm going to sleep soon, still didnt go after finishing a session in LE

kind atlas
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hm thats good at least

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they swear they are fixing towers next patch so ill try it out then i guess

atomic vapor
rugged pollen
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and i dont agree with the "lack of build diversity" take

atomic vapor
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How's the endgame speed. Still slower than a souls game?

rugged pollen
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i dont think it's fair to put it on the game when it's the players that are too lazy to think on their own

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and just copy shit

dire forge
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How is respec priced in poe 2?

rugged pollen
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tho the gameplay of poe2 is sometime very rage-inducing ngl

dire forge
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Maybe there's the answer

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If respec is expensive people won't bother to test things out

potent arrow
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my problem with PoE2 was that it BSoD my pc

rugged pollen
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getting knockdown when getting hit while sprinting is so fking stupid lol

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idk what they were smoking when thinking of that

terse bloom
atomic vapor
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What's the point of in person trade right now? Isn't it basically inferior in every eay

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Way"

rugged pollen
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it is

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there's no point

terse bloom
rugged pollen
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oh yeah i forgot that

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the gold can be pretty hefty

atomic vapor
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I doubt that's an issue endgame is it

potent arrow
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i bought this 2300euro pc last december and they had this crash in PoE2 that was ignored for months with like 50k replies in said bug thread. So this crashed my then new pc but i could play it no problems on a pc from 2018

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shit company not recognizing that crash

atomic vapor
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tbf the ideal company doesn't exist

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EHG trying to convince you wildfire is working as intended

rugged pollen
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performance and crash

atomic vapor
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My biggest issue with poe2 is how trash ssf is. Having a life and trading are incompatible

potent arrow
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especially with how long it was ignored

atomic vapor
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I'm just saying, I don't see a world without problems

potent arrow
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the current inventory in LE is also atrocious with how its lagging

atomic vapor
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Last used tab doesn't get saved, you need to do the janky thing with editing it

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But edit settings per tab aren't saved on relog

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Reverts to grey and no icon

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Then in turtle gauntlet, item movement lage

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Lags*

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Leaves a ghost image of the item behind for two seconds

potent arrow
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i have these 2/3 second freezes whenever im in my stash trying to compare items etc, then it doesnt recognize my shift+click to get something in my stash and instead equips the items making me have to redo skill points etc

kind atlas
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100 per cent.

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its so annoying wtf

atomic vapor
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on the topic of shift+click

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Why's that not the default item linking button combination

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And it's control+click instead

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What in the Freud is that design choice

terse bloom
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missed blind

fading hawk
#

anyone playing the ballista build and how is it

limber rock
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U may check this guy rocking up near 12k corr using ballista

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Hes a streamer too, kartal001

limber rock
flint turret
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Falconer dead btwBee

atomic vapor
potent arrow
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double rampant coast imprint

winter kiln
limber rock
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Oh

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I thought that was thru normal rank up...

lapis pumice
atomic vapor
atomic vapor
atomic vapor
atomic vapor
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Maybe I'm misremembering but I remember seeing tech of ballista deleting it in seconds. Not that the kill speed isn't amazing obviously

graceful notch
lapis pumice
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everything scales it

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be it prefix or suffix

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crit avoidance scales crit multi

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prefix scales damage obviously

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just gets better DPS wise every time u get an extra LP somewhere

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but i'm not too familiar with rogues, my first season as main

primal cave
#

anyone have a good fresh rogue build this season? I played a lot of Dragonsong builds last season and want something interesting again. Cant find anything on maxroll or LETools

scenic mauve
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Dancing strike got "revamp" go gladiator oath cap melee crit proc shadow cascade and shadow dagger scale the whole thing with crit multi and go to town 2 last slot depend on ur idea the limit is ur imagination.

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But I will recommend shift and maybe lethal mirage if they fixed it's interaction with crit given by gladiator oath

kind atlas
limber rock
rugged pollen
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what a man would do for bragging rights

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i bet he spends more time dying than actually killing the monsters

flint bough
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do i need throwing affixes on a shadow cascade bladedancer to pull off using umbral blades?

wraith nacelle
flint bough
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could you let me know which points to allocate? im going to be switching to umbral blades

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got it so nvm 🙂

wraith nacelle
flint bough
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what are the names of those passive skills?

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so i can allocate points there

bold brook
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Nightmare Dash and Umbral Remnant here being most important

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with Lethal Darkness being some free Shadow Daggers damage

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and Coldsnap Strike applying chill

wraith nacelle
flint bough
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maybe at the top left?

wraith nacelle
bold brook
flint bough
#

?

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is this okay>

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okay wow this is making a big difference

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thanks guys

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im at 1k corruption and i had to look at the corruption for a second to see if it was really 1k because im doing so much more damage holy shit

flint bough
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just got this! best roll i can think of!

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too bad theres no good daggers listed in the MG right now...

kind atlas
#

what kinda dagger are you after?

lapis pumice
#

holy roll

timid badger
#

Hey, I'm new to LE and I kinda wanted to try a DoT bow build, is MM or Falconer better for that archetype?

flint bough
lapis pumice
#

falconer dual wield melee weapons with most builds

timid badger
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Ahhhh, thanks. For DoTs I know poison, bleed and ignite have a base damage and can be stacked to a degree, is any one of them better or easier to scale than the others? or is it best to mix them and go for generic damage over time affixes?

lapis pumice
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it's better to focus on one and scale it

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as for power level atm i'd say smth like frostbite then bleed then ignite

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from unique support strength only, after that it depends how well ur class stacks one

timid badger
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I didn't even know frostbite was a thing, thanks lol

lapis pumice
#

marksman you would go bleed or ignite

lapis pumice
#

on top of that the frostbite uniques are pretty strong

timid badger
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Yah, I think bleed and physical scaling seems pretty straight forward, so I'll start trying to piece together a build around that. Thanks for the help

lapis pumice
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npnp

timid badger
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Does additional chance to bleed over 100% just add more stacks per hit?

trim zodiac
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yes

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if you want dot marksmen to start just puncture

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its bleed but cheap to respect if you want other dot/ skill

timid badger
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Yah, that's what I'm working with at the moment, puncture + ballista with tons of attack speed, physical and armor shred and bleed chance

trim zodiac
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if ur running balista it counts as a minion btw

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falconar has minion

timid badger
#

The way I have it specced it's just firing really fast and proccing more bleeds, not so much about the damage

timid badger
#

Does % increased Physical damage affect all physical damage (ie Bleed) or just direct hits?

atomic vapor
potent arrow
cobalt mantle
zenith rivet
#

the game is trolling me 🙁

atomic vapor
#

@kind atlas monster flask kill, I was waiting for someone to post one with god gear outside of potato's push

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Probably the only thing this season that hits harder than umbrals for rogue

kind atlas
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its pretty cool build overall, bit squishy though

atomic vapor
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It's probably as zhp as it gets

kind atlas
#

i'll try make a tankier version

atomic vapor
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I like umbrals being basically immortal outside of when silver shroud decides to be janky

kind atlas
#

for farming i have a somewhat balanced setup, most gear is different

lapis pumice
#

BOMBACLAT DAMGE

atomic vapor
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Your numbers are too big for anything to take more than a tick at 1k

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Can go giga tankiness on chest

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Or hell even a health slam on belt

lapis pumice
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u can just go smth like ox health+flask slam & 1 red ring to fix resists

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and u're good for corruption

kind atlas
#

these could hybrid health instead of going full deeps

lapis pumice
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& 1 bee idol for summons

atomic vapor
#

Titan heart with double health just for the 40% 😭

wide tapir
#

is flurry broken in online mode?

lapis pumice
#

wdym broken ?

wide tapir
#

like it shoots faster for some reason

lapis pumice
#

ye

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everything does

wide tapir
#

oh

lapis pumice
#

if u hold direction + cast

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new offline feature 👍

wide tapir
#

ohhh okay it's not specific to flurry?

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LOL

atomic vapor
#

if you expect a bug free game, this isn't it lmao

wide tapir
#

nah i was just curious if it was something else

atomic vapor
#

nah just spaghetti code

wide tapir
#

i wanted to start offline character but it feels like cheating lol

lapis pumice
#

it's aids for bow user

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u can't hold button & stutter step

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to move between casts

atomic vapor
#

play however you want man, as if you gotta prove to someone you farmed items yourself

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play offline who cares

wide tapir
#

i didn't even notice that because when i noticed the bug i kinda switched to online before i fought the bear in the tutorial lol

wide tapir
#

just feels less accomplishing for myself but i'll try it out again

atomic vapor
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go the middle path

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play legacy

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Season in LE is kinda irrelevant other than mg

wide tapir
#

true

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does legacy have the bug still

atomic vapor
#

I haven't heard of it being in online at all but I could be wrong. I haven't logged in a couple of days I'm done with s3

lapis pumice
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nah it's only offline mode

atomic vapor
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that settles it then

wide tapir
#

oh wait

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only reason i want to play offline is because i don't always have a connection to my ally

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i'm just gonna play it

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thanks for the help george and kosmik

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i appreciate it

atomic vapor
#

have fun blasting

kind atlas
#

acid flask

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40s uber kill in video shoutout channel

crimson latch
#

as falc?

kind atlas
#

yeah falc

crimson latch
#

i have glove 2ble t7 throw, thanks god i saved them haha

kind atlas
#

ill try a bd version soon though

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we think bd is possibly more dps

crimson latch
#

u use truesight

kind atlas
#

yeah

crimson latch
#

amazing

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i have a 2lp Truesight

kind atlas
#

orange numbers are cool

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same, i didnt slam it yet

crimson latch
#

which would be the 2nd affix to slam?

kind atlas
#

fire res

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but i'm trying to make one where even a failure will still be something

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coz all 4 stats are possible dps

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throwing/fire/crit multi | fire res/ele res

raw wharf
lime holly
#

How is doing monos with that acid flask setup

#

Looks squishy for that

flint bough
#

for subzero intrusion in the umbral blades passive tree isn't meant for damage right? it's more for the freeze?

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because i have no gear that gives more cold damage

potent arrow
#

its for chill debuff which is something u want

kind atlas
# lime holly Looks squishy for that

yeah it's squishy, there are some defensive options though which help a lot. pale ox with bees on flask idol and seed helm, you can face tank everything as long as you kill fast

dire forge
#

@atomic vapor 1:15, i'm not pushing further

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too expensive upgrades

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nearly impossible

flint bough
#

do good daggers for lp3 traitor's tongue get sold immediately or something? I can't find a good one

dire forge
#

might be

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very hard to find a good dagger base

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i had to settle with t7 t6 personally

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on velocyn, traitor wasn't even a possibility to roll properly

kind atlas
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i settled for 2lp.

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but a trick you can do is buy out the 0 and 1lp ones wtih 13% and +2 (and implicit if giga sweat), then turtle then and egg and hope for the best

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i got a 3lp doing that

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a 2lp with perfect rolls is better than a bad 3lp anyway, and you can just brute force a double t7 which gets the important things on there. unless it's your only source of shred

dire forge
#

shred is fkin with me hard so i for example must have 3lp with shred

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dodged on both amulet 2lp and gloves 3lp while trying to get it

bold brook
#

then use rune of redemption to reroll them

flint bough
bold brook
# flint bough is there a guide that could go into more detail? I'm not great at crafting other...

rune of redemption rerolls exalted affixes on an item, for example t7 increased cold damage might turn into t7 added melee physical damage. the affixes do not move (exalted prefixes stay prefixes, suffixes stay suffixes)

so by buying and imprinting a dagger with 2 t7 prefixes your imprints are now more likely to drop more daggers with 2 t7 prefixes. you can then reroll those prefixes to hopefully get what you want

#

this dagger I bought a while back

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it used to have garbage exalted affixes, but I got lucky with the rune of redemption

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I now imprint it whenever I need a new dagger slam

flint bough
#

so can you pick which t7 to change?

bold brook
#

the daggers that drop from the imprint might not have the double t7 flat, but if they have 2 t7 prefixes I use the rune of redemption

bold brook
flint bough
#

and it also costs forging potential right?

#

so it might be trial and error and might need to buy more?

bold brook
#

or you can just buy more if you got the funds and dont want to spend the time

kind atlas
#

if you are buying an exalt to imprint, make sure the fp is high

ember surge
#

for hydra arc build what stats are best on chest? +2 max ballista with 40% ballista attack speed or armor shred with dex/ hp % t7? usure of stat priorites for slamming. this is the build ive been referencing. are the idols good or not really. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApZD4vkB

lapis pumice
#

if u have extra lp go phys res to free some idol slots

#

ideally u want 0 phys res idols while keeping 75%, because phys res idol's prefixes are quite bad, you'd rather stack cold pen + cold res idols

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ballista attack speed is completely useless since u don't revolve around them staying alive & attacking

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got a more recent video on the channel where i updated some gear btw

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but setup is still not 100% ideal, i have some bow% & cold% affixes that would be better being either minion damage% or crit multi, it scales a bit better

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& gloves megabad still, ideally gloves would be ascetic base with T7 dex - minion damage - hybrid hp - crit avoidance (or armor shred if u don't get it on helmet) - sealed frailty chance, or even phys or cold res suffix & swap belt out for jungle queen actually

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or even dex mortal vise/ravenous void wouldnt be bad if u want to be more tanky

violet ledge
#

Just dropped an LP4 Jelkhor's with near perfect rolls

#

Do people play it?

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Cheapest one on the market is 460m but idk if anyone buys them

lapis pumice
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not very popular no

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used to be completely broken until the build was obliterated by nerfs

dire forge
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somebody just decided he's gonna mess around and add one zero too much xD

kind atlas
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46 is a stretch

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maybe 4.6

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i wouldnt buy it for 460k

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46k i'd think about it

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4.6k i'd buy for sure

mellow gyro
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How would you rate the passive node where you reduce dodge on rares/bosses?

lapis pumice
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i don't think bosses can dodge unless their map has an affix that says it

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the boss that matters, uber abby can never dodge for instance

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or have increased health, enrage, all these map affixes

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shades can i think ? & timeline boss i'm not sure

mellow gyro
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So not really worth it?

dire forge
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Reducing something that doesn't really exist unless you force it on an echo is not worth it imo

dire forge
atomic vapor
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The funny thing is, and I know this isn't absolute numbers since uber isn't a static health pool

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My last season's record was 13 seconds

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1:15 is 75 seconds which is around 6 times slower

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I used to get to 220+ dusk shroud stacks which was around 2500ish more and 3200 or so increased

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So while the damage is around 10 times up, give or take, uber not being a static dummy means there was room for optimization over an instant delete button to take advantage of his mechs and push the timer down

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Also the prim dagger partially made up for the dps loss since we do get a tiny bit more from movement speed

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"tiny" for falconer standards

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Ofc this is super super napkin math with massive room for error, but it's still an indication that while they dropped the damage down to a tenth from dusk shrouds, it's still a competitive time

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Speaks of how unbelievably cracked falconer was

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Juse uploaded a vid that shows that even though the more dmg from dusk shroud is capped, the increased dmg from idols still isn't, which is what I said earlier this season. Ofc it's nowhere near impactful but it means that you could theoretically get a +2 max shadows glove and drop the prim dagger and get more DPS from idols

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Juse's setup uses sync strike for 5 shadows like last season but that's obviously not permanent 5 shadows

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atomic vapor
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It was great in season 2 because it allowed for a fat shroud boost. Nowdays it's debatable whether it's better than falconer's mark

dire forge
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Also did 2 or 3 runs with a LB RM with those set synergies, uber went down in 1:10

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Guy had 300+ cast speed and insane gear tho but damage was dealt equally by us

atomic vapor
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The amount of shroud stacks each shadow falcon generates was slashed down to 1, meaning that 5 falcons are now way less valuable than it used to be, even if you disregard the cap on more damage in the umbrals tree

dire forge
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I don't even use 5 shadows in my tree, got 3/5 in shadow falcons

atomic vapor
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So while more dusk shroud stacks does give more inc% from idols, I don't think sync is worth due to them not being permanent

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You can't use 5 without sync or +shadows gloves

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Your falcons can't be more than your shadows

dire forge
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Oh right

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So pretty much we'd have to give up li'raka

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No way I'm doing that shit

atomic vapor
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Yes but a good +2 shadows glove with purple throw should largely make up for that

dire forge
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After spending so much on them omegalul

atomic vapor
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But then you'd be giving up your dagger

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Also it's extremely limited in usage because you can only take advantage of it on Uber

dire forge
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Actually imo velocyn loss isn't such a big deal and it opens possibilities of another 3+lp traitor

atomic vapor
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For mapping dive bomb is basically decoration

dire forge
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Yeah exactly

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For mapping dive bomb just happens and everybody ignores it

atomic vapor
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Velocyn is +1 umbral, 40 pen and a lot of more from movement speed if your dex is sky high, it's not negligible at all

dire forge
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Oh crap

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I forgor about pen

atomic vapor
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But losing velocyn and lirakas for 2 shadows is something I'm not convinced about

dire forge
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Me neither tbh

atomic vapor
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Again it's only for Uber

dire forge
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Yeah exactly

atomic vapor
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You don't have shroud on mapping

dire forge
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And it's for what, 5-10 extra seconds?

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Useless imo

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Can't imagine reapplying my skills each time I took my velocyn out and replaced it with a traitor

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I'm already doing enough effort by swapping idols omegalul

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BTW @atomic vapor do you know if YouTube studio can remove sound from videos? I accidentally recorded this 1:15 run, randomly turned obs on and it was this time when I managed to down him so nicely

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But i forgor to mute my friends who were talking about weird things omegalul

atomic vapor
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I haven't the slightest clue because I just record them muted prior 😭

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There's probably a way, I mean it's YouTube it has to (copium)

lapis pumice
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can split audio & video, then u export without loosing quality

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u can use free trial on stuff like clipchamp too but you're gonna loose video quality if u don't pay

dire forge
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Open source? Sign me up

lapis pumice
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if u mean like keeping sound from game but removing ur friends