🔪┃rogue

[atomic vapor]

+smoke bomb

[trim dawn]

hmmmgeee

[atomic vapor]

and keep in mind my dex is 180

with god gear I'll be pushing like 240

it will literally move entire screens in frames

[trim dawn]

is there a way to make AA act faster? Like does it scale w/ cast speed or something

oh it scales with attack speed

hmmge

and im assuming evolutions end is temporary until you get a nihilis or something right?

[atomic vapor]

probably attack speed, non trash rogues (like me) will know better

yeah but I might keep this for mapping

that said I doubt it's worth to waste a slam on attack speed

[trim dawn]

yeah letools says scales with attack speed

and I mean probably not worth, but I might do it anyway because feel is 1000x more important to me than big number

[graceful notch]

@lapis pumice we don't need bow as, right?

[lapis pumice]

nope

mana will limit ur cast/sec anyway 😂

u can slam crit multi on hydra, prob best

[graceful notch]

2lp with 2 best roll just a dream

[lapis pumice]

i'm thinking of a new setup with 2x 2LP julra

for omegadex + regen

70 dex and 320% mana regen every 12s

but it's hard to fit if you wanna keep resists high

[graceful notch]

Julra ring?

[lapis pumice]

ye

i was using that at the start to fix mana problem

julra & no mourning

[graceful notch]

Lucky, I just destroyed 7 Julra gloves with 2lp 4 days ago

[lapis pumice]

but then you need flat slams

[graceful notch]

😂

[lapis pumice]

i tried julra gloves too but it's meh

ballista explosion dont benefit much from it

you would need x2 minion damage prefix to benefit from gloves i assume

because dex dont get transfered over to ballista

so you loose 16 dex on urself

[eager mason]

you can try a more potion focused setup

[lapis pumice]

and 16 dex is 64% dam 16 flat 64% mult

cant drop

[lapis pumice]

ye i try man but hard

[eager mason]

mana on potion used, inc potion chance, elecoe and potion converted to ward

[lapis pumice]

i need spidersilk base + T5 experimental

no luck with spidersilk exalts so far

was the og idea

cuz belt is needy of good affixes on the build

mana regen, cdr, max hp

all good stats

[graceful notch]

How about 3lp Orian's Descent?

[lapis pumice]

then u dont cap cold res

[eager mason]

I mean elecoe is easy to get 3lp on

[lapis pumice]

ye that's what i'm rocking rn

but u dont rly need mana on pot outside uber abby

i guess it would free some affixes tho

[eager mason]

yeah but you can drop some regen affixes by using it

[lapis pumice]

ye

i mean that's definitely top affix for the build

just had no luck yet

i put it on my realistic planner even

[eager mason]

you can stouts with this too

its pretty good with the belt

[lapis pumice]

aye

i'm using cold pen

i note ideas i'll try shtuff

setup can definitely be polished a lot still

[eager mason]

this also exists but looks like a lot of points to get there sadly

[lapis pumice]

nah impossible

explosive tree sucks at least 8 points already

and ballista scales with ur stats side sucks 15

[graceful notch]

How about Adorned 25 dual crit and armor shred effect?

[lapis pumice]

u can fit 1 with perfect resist rolls

if you want to be capped on resists

i'm 1 slot away from fitting 1

i'm thinking also some other random mult sources from passive tree that i could use

like this slow stack mult

cuz ballista explosion mult is so huge (800%), any other mult added makes a big diff

even if it's like 10%

[graceful notch]

Ok, i have one

[lapis pumice]

throne of ambition is prio

over this

if u can fit 2nd 2x2 u good

[lapis pumice]

i could actually try to fit this with +ballista on relic or smth

[eager mason]

yeah thats what I was thinking

but you need couple more points I think

[lapis pumice]

45 multi would be giga

i can remove 1 point in base crit if i still cap without

[graceful notch]

I've been playing a build that uses potions to restore mana for over 6 months, and I'm fed up with it, so I'll prioritize mana regeneration instead

[lapis pumice]

& i have 1 extra point put in flat damage

[lapis pumice]

ye, whole starting idea was lazy spacebar spammer LMAO

& now optimal gameplay turning into real falconer shit 😂

spamming all buttons on cd

[graceful notch]

I hate that build

When I see people playing it and using scripts to spam all skills without limits, I don’t feel the slightest bit of interest

[hybrid marsh]

playing a game to not play a game = lmao

in my opinion

like go play factorio

[final pelican]

Hello everyone! I need someone that is using Truesight Glass, because I don't understand a thing about this item. In the video, it shows that I only reach 77% crit rate, then add a 20% with the crit vun talent, and I should reach a 97% crit in total. Then why am I proccing deadly strikes, since it doesn't go above 100% crit rate?

[bold brook]

you have this node?

[final pelican]

RIGHT

damn there's always some crit chance laying around

ty

[lapis pumice]

10% crit affix on bow + mountain helmet

big big source of it

[final pelican]

yeah I was wondering if I could reach max deadly strike chance withot the helmet and it's possible, also doesn't the crit affix on the bow show up in the tooltip?

also, wouldn't the hearseeker point show up in the tooltip aswell?

[lapis pumice]

dont think it will

it will only show melee/bow/throwing/spell crit

[final pelican]

yeah because that crit is unique to heartseeker right

[lapis pumice]

stuff that affect a single skill wont be displayed iirc

[final pelican]

then it was a whopping 3% proccing all that deadly strikes

[zenith bridge]

also testing truesight for icicle marksman atm, pretty good addition to the build

[final pelican]

it kinda doubled my clear speed, more single target dps, more punctures, amazing

[hybrid marsh]

why is getting shattered chains impossibleeeeeee

[bold brook]

i like get to the very edge of the web by placing woven echoes in a line and then place the Confluence of Oblivion at the end

[hybrid marsh]

ill try it

[crimson latch]

U need at least mountain helmet and t7 crit + attack speed

[crimson latch]

I'm doing 500c without problem, but feels kek at bosses compared to other builds

[final pelican]

I already can reach that without the mountain helmet, I was wondering why I was proccing deadly strikes with 97% crit rate, it was because I had 6%+ crit rate with heartseeker

[zenith bridge]

i think we should not compare anything with current s-tier builds on maxroll 😉

[crimson latch]

Hahah ikr

Im playing HS and i'm having fun thats all the matter

[graceful notch]

wish it bow cold damage

[hybrid marsh]

@zenith bridge pushing 600c with shadow cascade and im just getting stun locked by rangers

[lapis pumice]

kuden u big brain

i want to use this base maybe

you're gonna end up improving the build yourself 😂

[graceful notch]

[cloud plover]

New Primordial Crit body HS Icicle with doubled Idols feels better than it did previously with Truesight. You could try that. Pushing 900c and I'm breezing through clears. Bosses are mostly giga clapped aswell. Just sometimes get oneshot as I am currently only 1800hp

Aberoth was giga easy though as Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb gives insane Shroud stacks for dodge

I would love to get Shattered Worlds but I doubt I will beat Uberoth with this build. Might try figuring out a bleed version just for that fight.

[trim dawn]

quickly following up on this, why concentration? Doesn't it only work with bows?

[zenith bridge]

do you jump right ontop of enemies with sync strike?

[hybrid marsh]

little to the side

[atomic vapor]

nope

[trim dawn]

you sure? I remember seeing @flint turret and a few others test it and it wasnt affecting anything except for bows

[flint turret]

im not sure it works for bows even

it doesnt on neither my melee or throwing skills rn

havent tried a bow

[crimson latch]

send planer beautiful being please haha

[cloud plover]

Currently not at home. Will send it later

[crimson latch]

this one?

[cloud plover]

Yeah slamm a +4HS on that bad boy and double all your idol stats

[crimson latch]

from diferent shape isnt?

[cloud plover]

Jup. Sadly you can't fill it out entirely. Just use an ambition and then 2x2, 3x1, 4x1,1x2,1x1 (i think that's all that will fit)
I filled mine out with 1x1 as I didn't have on that was better doubled than 3 separate ones

[atomic vapor]

there's nothing bow specific in the description, I'll probably give it a test sometime but everyone has been using it throughout season 2, like I said, there's way smarter rogues around

@flint turret got any insight

[trim dawn]

yeah he commented

but i mean yeah it doesn't mention bow skills but like

[flint turret]

it used to work for everything

even before it was remade to "more" damage from 120 insreased

[trim dawn]

this doesn't mention traps except for the part clarifying what a trap is, and it only counts traps

LE tooltips just still kinda suck lol

[atomic vapor]

I'm a little busy right now I can't go naked on the dummy and press AA (with friends)

if someone can quickly test it would be super appreciated

btw ragu, 1lp falconer is a ~3min kill, it's ethical by my standards but probably giga damage by yours, you should give umbrals a go sometime

now it's looking balanced

[hybrid marsh]

if this misses im gonna cry

its near perfect lol

[flint turret]

just get 4lp

its not that hard

[gray lintel]

Anyone played acid flask rogue? do you guys recommend as the first build?

[flint turret]

okay i landed it now just need to reroll to decent values

[flint turret]

looks better

[lapis pumice]

Rogue is life, you're in rogue's domain 😂

Acid Flask is one of the strongest out there for sure - same downsides as any rogue build : good skill usage required, survability dependant on silver shroud stacks

[lapis pumice]

W

[cloud plover]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMwk1l5A

As previously mentioned by Ragulol. We could use Soulgambler for some extra ward/survivability. Although it might require Shattered World for the crit.

Also I reeeeeaaallly need to slam some HP

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (62) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,582, Regen: 27.41/s
▸ Mana: 225.42, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 46%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 142 Dex / 23 Int / 38 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 98% / 73% / 128% / 94% / 73% / 96% / 171%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 553
▸ Dodge Chance: 42% (1485)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 11% (288)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Puncture

[summer hollow]

Anyone following the acid flask build on Max roll?

If so, if we have the affixes for both rings but only the uniques without LP, is it an ok time to swap to falconer or should I stay marksman?

[flint turret]

oh good to know i kinda missed it gj trying it. whats your ward on bosses like?

[cloud plover]

Haven't managed to drop it yet sadly... Going to farm some dung/soul foundry tomorrow in the hopes of finally trying it

[flint turret]

dam

[cloud plover]

Way too rare... Did like 15 soul foundrys yesterday

[flint turret]

wait

why are you doing foundry

youor you mean woven?

it has guaranteed unique on the hirst purchase

you should be able to get decent amout of amulets if you always buy it first

[cloud plover]

Oh yeah the woven thing. Not entirely sure what it's called.
Guess I just got unlucky

[hybrid marsh]

yay

decent!

[flint turret]

oretty good

im still without one

[hybrid marsh]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/DaddySeekay/character/CruellaCrave

now its just rerolling everything and try for abby

[flint turret]

this relic is kinda useless ngl

all it does is 50 multi and 15 phys res

[hybrid marsh]

oh for sure

[flint turret]

also where is armor shred

if you dont have any decent relic this will do fine

[hybrid marsh]

working on the 3lp tongue

got the base

[flint turret]

at least get some shred on idols or whatever

[lapis pumice]

Shred is life

[crimson latch]

wowoow hs cold ?

[flint turret]

do you have nhilis 2lp ready yet?

[hybrid marsh]

did trikster do uberroth with cascade yet?

[crimson latch]

i have but has -5% all ress xD

[hybrid marsh]

first time fighting uberroth nowhere near geared for this lol

[fast heath]

did they fix wildfire embers?

[crimson latch]

why not the new amulet?

[atomic vapor]

oo new pb

[crimson latch]

D:

[flint turret]

Because it doesn't give neither frenzy nor hp nor mana Regen?

6 Dex is nice tho

[atomic vapor]

after I failed like 5 belts

not the best but we ball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLIZI7dUlbk&ab_channel=Geo_Blas 2:44 best time with a couple of t7 x2 now

still no decent shattered worlds, this season hates me

[bold brook]

i really dont like how you get to the last phase of uber and the arena looks like this when he is slamming

i cant hit him, because i am melee, so i cant leech

and even if i could, i have one morbillion frailty stacks, so i likely die anyway. only got 3 potion cleanses, shift, and smoke

[atomic vapor]

to be fair you made a mess on the floor

[bold brook]

only solution feels like to either perfectly stack the lasers in previous phases (functionally impossible), or to kill him faster

which leads to just a damage race / doing overwhelming amounts of damage to just skip the fight which is just a snooze imo

sorry for the rant, just frustrated

i would think a build that can do 2000 corruption would be able to do uber without too much trouble, but I think im done unless i somehow get another substantial upgrade, which isnt likely

[flint turret]

4800 hp? Holy moly

I think you went too far on defence

[bold brook]

probably

[flint turret]

How long did it take to this point?

From the start of the fight

[atomic vapor]

ok apparently I suck and need to play better, I just did a 2:36

[bold brook]

a little over 8 min

[flint turret]

Dam that's way to long for a melee I think

That's like my budget hs

11 min total fight

How are you even clearing 2k with that damage

Doesn't it take to long to kill rares and bosses?

[bold brook]

its really quite good mapping

doesnt take too long at all

[flint turret]

Maybe we have different "long" standards

[bold brook]

maybe, but I was killing emperor of corpses just after the second big explosion

i feel like thats not bad

[flint turret]

Do you have a video of you doing 2k and Uber?

I'd like to see how it's going tbh

[bold brook]

i can record

[flint turret]

I kill him at 1k with 3 double sync-shift while he's stun locked

You can add lots of DPS using dancing strikes but I'm not sure about your mana sustain as a life build

You can try them without 5mana increase node first

[bold brook]

i started the season messing around with dancing strikes, just felt clunky to me (also sustain was rough ya, couldn't do the 5 mana node)

i could try agaian i gues

s

[flint turret]

Well, you need to do something about your Uber DPS if you want to clear it

That's way to long of a fight for a melee

[bold brook]

ya

[flint turret]

I just wanna see how you play it out first so I won't have to speculate

It's not that I'm the one who should be talking because I haven't cleared it yet with cascade too but maybe we can figure something out

[bold brook]

uploading recording

[flint turret]

and a planner

[bold brook]

planner: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q97VqbPo
yes I am MG so I already have the uber uniques

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (77) / Falconer (16)

General:

▸ Health: 4,752, Regen: 36/s
▸ Mana: 241.51, Regen: 13.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 19 Dex / 15 Int / 26 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 112% / 103% / 114% / 0% / 20% / 25%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,765
▸ Dodge Chance: 18% (587)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 63% (4,862)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 2%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Shift / Shadow Cascade / Synchronized Strike / Umbral Blades

[flint turret]

oh

[bold brook]

Emperor of Corpses and a few echoes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyZ-IwisJAU

uploading uber

[flint turret]

i dont understand why damage is so low

are ypu doing a snapshot?

[bold brook]

ya

youtube deciding to take 10 years checking copyright on uber fight i guess

[flint turret]

this are my numbers

yours are around 220k

i dont get it

[bold brook]

hmm

[flint turret]

you have much more flat damage than me

i have 1lp reen

and no multi on a dagger

you sure you are not messing up a snapshot?

[bold brook]

im pretty sure, but maybe

[flint turret]

i dont really have an explanation to this othervise

this damage is garbage ngl

[bold brook]

uber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3JcqqWWDmg

[flint turret]

restricted

[bold brook]

oops https://youtu.be/b3JcqqWWDmg

[flint turret]

try to double check your snapshotting and maybe remove it to a button you cant randomly hit

because its really weird

[bold brook]

i will try that next time

[flint turret]

you damage should be at least double that

on uber looks like you didnt mess up your snapshot btw

[bold brook]

maybe i messed it up during the fight

[flint turret]

warding him during the spin is great

yeah looks like you messed it up

somewhere before 64% even

[bold brook]

ya somewhere in there the numbers drop way down

ill give it a few more goes at some point

thanks Ragu

[flint turret]

yeah better remap the button to something you wont accidentally hit during panic lm

also get 1 point in dagger throw

on cascade

[bold brook]

true, didnt realize i had an extra point in the armor shred

[valid jacinth]

How do you guys farm Runes of Havoc?

[atomic vapor]

generic rune prophecy/uber

also this

[crimson latch]

:p

[flint turret]

bro im over 70 abby kills ansd this is the only semi-decent nihilis i have wtf

the rest is utter garbage

[atomic vapor]

I'm getting very few of them to begin with, did they change something

[flint turret]

dunno the droprate seems okay for me

[atomic vapor]

I just did 20 maps, got like 2

[flint turret]

arond 7-8 everyday from 15-20 abby

for mg thats fine tbh

[atomic vapor]

watch me brick this sighhh

[flint turret]

its 14% on mg

[atomic vapor]

are you actually playing mg this season

[flint turret]

me? no im cof i thought you got 2 out of 20 on mg

for cof thats pretty wild

[atomic vapor]

nope never been a mg guy lol

[flint turret]

dam abby has a grudge on you then

[atomic vapor]

literally still stuck with evolution's end

[flint turret]

Same

I do get nihilis drops but all are garbage or 0lp

[dire forge]

I got 2 nihilis amulets from 4 uber abbys, both +1

Not mentioning the relic which is much rarer than nihilis

I don't expect it before 10 kills tbh, had 5 or 7 relics after 50 kills last season in CoF and now I'm MG, rng's gonna hurt

[atomic vapor]

I did 5 uber

1 nihilis

what's going on

anyway trash implicit but it's a start

not horrible with max shroud stacks

[tired gorge]

What does area for lethal mirage attacks do?

[dire forge]

Did 3 ubers now before sleep, 0 nihilis 0 relics

[dire forge]

If you call THAT a start...

[echo nebula]

ricochet has no effect on chakram or that's a bug?

[sage canyon]

life is a bait, you give up more than half of the dmg

ll ver kills uber in 2:40 with no uber items or double t7

[bold brook]

im aware of the benefits of ll, but I like playing life more

[sage canyon]

how is mana, previous s i liked life more, but now its impossible to sustain with full cdr+dancing strikes

[bold brook]

when i tried dancing at the start of the season mana was basically impossible if i fully specced it

i moved away from DS because Im not a huge fan of it tho

[blazing radish]

I have a question about Falconer.
Does Projectile Training in the Aerial Assault passive tree also apply to the Umbral Blades released from Twilight Strike?
I’m wondering whether it’s worth investing points into this passive, since the tooltip damage for Wing Burst seems abnormally low (around 3000 DPS).

[royal sapphire]

What’s the best way to level with this class?

Kinda just dying to everything in one hit

[cobalt mantle]

No, the umbral blades thrown are from the player, so no falcon stats or AA skill tree nodes apply unless specifically stated

[blazing radish]

Thanks a lot!

[blazing radish]

I think leveling is easier using Cinder Strike with Overexertion together with the bow’s Longshot
Mana is a bit tough though
I’m going Falconer

[graceful notch]

@lapis pumice base still ok right?

[graceful notch]

Use it temporarily for a while. The strict requirement for dex, phy, and cold res makes crafting it difficult for me

[bold brook]

I got a bit faster, but clearly not quick enough unless I can place lasers perfectly. Also the second time in a row I dodge a slam only to get screwed by an offscreen attack he instantly does after, which is totally not frustrating at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqV9zLrLtiE

[tranquil urchin]

TBH he's a bit of a d*ck tho

[graceful notch]

I've been killed by him a few hundred times; now, just by his breathing, I can tell what he’s going to do 😂

[tranquil urchin]

hahahha

[atomic vapor]

Is this hate towards my beautiful implicit 😔

[cloud plover]

Can you target farm Woven Echoes somehow?
The weaver imprint doesn't seem to spawn any...

[atomic vapor]

I've always leveled with shadow daggers anything.

[graceful notch]

U can target farm Amber

@lapis pumice ur ballista cap crit?

[flint turret]

Holy shit you are actually tanking the 3-sector attack

[flint turret]

I like how this looks and plays more than a glass Cannon dancing strike cheese tbh. Even tho his gear is pretty crazy. "Farming"-vise yeah I guess it's not optimal, but on the other hand, nothing is, unless it's a meta build for killing uber

[flint turret]

I don't really get what's going on with your damage. It becomes shit again at some point

Decent amount of shred, decent amount of reen, but no damage

[atomic vapor]

Aren't they getting a gigaton of uber frailty in there (not in the screenshot, in general)

[flint turret]

On general it could be but on the screenshot it's not the case

Then damage goes up again at some point

With almost the same reen and shred stacks on the target

Something is going on and I'm failing to understand what

[atomic vapor]

15% less from 3 stacks of frailty, 40 fewer shred stacks (negligible), 7 fewer stacks of reen

And half dmg

Even accounting for variance it's too much

I wouldn't be surprised if something's buggy

[flint turret]

Same amount of reen same amount of smoke same fral

Same shred

Damage is double over 1st screen

[atomic vapor]

Smoke blades also goes between 2-3

So similar

Oh you said that my bad

Yeah I don't see anything different

[flint turret]

Yeah that's too long of a fight for melee, 8 min even before the last ward threshold makes the arena too cluttered

[eager mason]

I mean he is tanky enough that he just needs to place his lasers better

[flint turret]

Thats kinda true

And he could have lived there if he shifted to top or bottom at the end probably

Still I feel like that's too much hp and too low damage

On top of the weird damage drop off

[graceful notch]

I’ve never played Marksman, but after three seasons, I can still sense the malice from the Devs toward this class, as if they’ve held a grudge for over 30 years

[flint turret]

The malice is giving a mastery the mechanically best skill rogue ever had?

But yeah how would you know if you never played it

The fact they broke the concentration passive on the other hand is pretty bad

[cloud plover]

So should I remove all points I currently have in Concentration?

[flint turret]

Check if it works for you to be sure

For me it seems to do nothing for a long time

I'm not even sure it worked at the 1.3 start

I still want 200 flat dodge so I have to keep at least 1 point in it, but I'd rather have 16% more damage for sure

[sage canyon]

ehhh i wouldnt call LL glass canon at all especiall with double dr from DS, new chest is op

if you gear LL on same budget as that planner youll have 10-12k ward 😅

[flint turret]

Like how? You will need like 5k hp to get 12k ward

[sage canyon]

yep put hp chest, boots, helm, belt

3lp rings

etc

[eager mason]

works for me

https://streamable.com/k5i9qt

[sage canyon]

that planner is cracked he has 2lp null portent and uber relic

[flint turret]

For me a glass Cannon is something that can't sustain Uber Abby lasers. I was so used to it on my hs mm but my ll dies instantly to it smh

[flint turret]

Can't view it

[flint turret]

It indeed is. Do you know what's the issue with his damage being so low? I don't really see anything particularly wrong but sometimes his damage dips hard

[sage canyon]

ill need to watch full vid but assume broke snapshot

[flint turret]

That was my main assumption too, but then he remapped cascade on a button he can't reach so that's probably not the case anymore

[flint turret]

Dam. Why it doesn't do anything for me then

No ninja patches recently?

I'll check again to be sure

[cloud plover]

Soulgambler is not real man... can't be this unlucky with the drop

[eager mason]

are you doing the dungeon

[flint turret]

Hopefully not

Woven echoes ftw

[sage canyon]

outside of possible snapshot break, dmg doesnt look too bad for non ds version

• missing cdr on belt=20% dps loss
• missing ds
• no flat dmg idols(that are insane dmg)
• no t7 dmg chest
• lightning/cold/fire flat dmg slams and not phys
• not ll, missing crit multi
  @flint turret thats all i could find, considering above damage looks right

[cloud plover]

echo

[flint turret]

You misunderstanding or maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'm not talking about the damage overall, I'm taking about DPS deep dives

[eager mason]

oh ok just to be sure

[flint turret]

Look 1st screenshot

[eager mason]

I forgot about the echo last season when I tried to farm it

until someone reminded me

[flint turret]

And third

[sage canyon]

ooh hmm well thats frailty stacks and prossible snapshot,the dmg looks right on the start of the video

[flint turret]

Damage of cascade is halved with the same stacks of everything

Yes at the start it's okay

It just halves at times for no apparent reason

[eager mason]

boots?

[flint turret]

?

[sage canyon]

yep also boots

as soon as they arent full life u lose half dps

*high life

[flint turret]

Its all within 100-64%

And it doesn't matter really cascade has execution for low life

It's even more damage after boots go off

[eager mason]

oh ok didnt look at screen shot

he doesnt have perfection stacks and not at full health

at first image

[flint turret]

concentration 8\8 vs 0\8

its identical

[sage canyon]

hmm seems like dmg was low when 2 doom stacks and 50 armro shred

🤔

2 doom 50 shred=173k crits

fully buffed 300k

[flint turret]

how about this then

[flint turret]

its even more weird it DOES change when im hit

holy shiot ITS EVEN WORSE THAN I THOUGHT

concentration is not only not adding damage

ITS REDUCING your damage when it goes off compared to you not having it specced at all

remove your concentration asap guys you are paying 8 points to get 16% less damage compared to not having it at all

its literally negative value passive

[cloud plover]

well that's disappointing

[eager mason]

ms part is working which is the weird one

the dr doesnt show on generic dr part does it

[potent arrow]

lmao actively hurting ur build with conc, what a mess

[flint turret]

it is indeed

i wonder if it worked properly in 1.2 i havent really tested it but i had it 8\8

[potent arrow]

i think i ran conc with my cascade bd in s2, but i hadnt checked if it functioned.

i remasteried it into a falconer so cant check it anymore

[flint turret]

what a blunder. actually having 16% less damage passive speced

[potent arrow]

I ingame bug reported it twice, is there anymore i can do to bring it to the devs?

[flint turret]

dunno tbh

bug fixing or preventing definetly isnt one of the EHG strong sides

[potent arrow]

i feel like those 13 marksman points to get 8/8 conc are very strong compared to the alternatives in our tree

[flint turret]

i want to have 200 flat dodge on BD and concentration being bugged is really a big deal for me

[eager mason]

can do this xdd

since dodge isnt a part of conc

all the other dodge nodes are so shit ngl

this one is decent

[flint turret]

At this point I'm dodge based build I get whatever I can

unbuffed

[potent arrow]

i see you hit the frenzy cdr on boots, nice

is that a lvl 100 zone?

[flint turret]

yeah i did on the 6th attempt and they rerolled them a couple of times

yes its end of time

can get more dodge but weavers only enchent shit on my idols

\i want eitehr manareg and cdr or glancing dodge

and have neither on them

[potent arrow]

dont like getting minion bow dmg into minion melee dmg 10 times in a row?

[flint turret]

yeah that happens

frostbite too

or when you finally get what you wanted but its lvl 2 and 3 ww left

[potent arrow]

yeah and then at lvl 4 it adds a shite affix on it anyway

[lapis pumice]

ye das good

go grind 4LP elecoe's u lazy

& yea ballista caps

even without the 3% relic if i remember correct from my testings, if u have other ideas for the slot it can move 👍

[potent arrow]

oh wow that cascade idol with the t7 movespeed thats a hella nice one

[flint turret]

ill reroll it too

eventually

[potent arrow]

do u have many issues btw?

[flint turret]

im farming 1k so not really

not all enemy abilities got fixed so i do die sometimes

[graceful notch]

Minion bow damage doesn’t help us much, does it?

[flint turret]

and i tried uber couple of times and its pretty bad

i think i need dancing and mana regen setup for it

damage is decent but not as good as to kill it fast and sustain doesnt allow me for prolonged fights

okay okay

wont use it but cool still

[potent arrow]

Yeah i suppose mana is only shitty in long fights

[flint turret]

mana is an issue with dancing

it costs 8 mana per cast

love to see it

uber abby is jelous

[potent arrow]

that still seems way overtuned, the whirlwind one

[eager mason]

reported it in https://discord.com/channels/368953963267096586/1210286147532759040 if you also confirm it maybe they actually look at it

[lapis pumice]

it's good if u get 4 LP hydra 😂

traps still do 10-20% of the single target damage i think so u wanna scale both

they still pop for like 40-50k and u throw manymany

[graceful notch]

Hydra make me poor

[atomic vapor]

I love the maybe part 😭

It's like you have to confirm with video evidence something is broken for someone to take 2 seconds to look at passive internally

[eager mason]

I mean I understand it, most of the time players complain because they dont actually understand how stuff work instead of it being bugged

[valid jacinth]

What skills are you guys playing? AF?

[flint turret]

I made a bug report for sd perfection 2 years ago with both the description and video on a forum where back at that time you were supposed to report. It didn't even have an answer and was closed after couple of months. After that I gave up on reporting

[atomic vapor]

For now umbrals but I do wanna try flask, I got the stuff on my filters

I feel like flask underperforms with mid gear, umbrals comes online with basically 1lps

It's also the fact that I hate the t8 grind

[valid jacinth]

I just swapped to Ballista from Umbrals, I die in one shot but the damage is better for sure

Trying to find a midpoint between DPS and survivability with this class

Resisting the urge to just roll bear or frogs and face roll

[atomic vapor]

I'm at 2:30 minute ubers with umbrals for now but I'm littered in 1lps

Working on 2lp gloves and boots

[valid jacinth]

Oh interesting, got a buildplanner?

[atomic vapor]

Hopefully the flat throw will help me out

It's just the standard season 2 umbrals

No major changes other than prim dagger

[valid jacinth]

my dps is nowhere near 2:30 minute ubers even with 1 LPs across the board

[atomic vapor]

I am a little spoiled from season 2 where I killed it in 13-15 seconds

So I'm trying to get the kill lower

Morally speaking it feels better playing umbrals when it's balanced lmao

[valid jacinth]

is this razorfall /aerial assault spam umbrals?

[atomic vapor]

yeah

[valid jacinth]

or some other variant

right

[atomic vapor]

Minus the 3000% more on umbrals

Because no shroud stacks and umbrals nerf

Still 2:30 minute kills with mid gear

Falconer is immortal I swear

[valid jacinth]

Falconer has good survivability yeah

But my damage was doodoo

[atomic vapor]

What I did and do was

I wanna play flask eventually

But I know umbrals murders with low investment

So I got both on my filter

And whatever happens happens

[valid jacinth]

the only flask stuff ive seen seems pretty good but with like pretty much tweaked CE gear lmao

haven't really seen anyone's like mid-gear attempts with that build

[atomic vapor]

It seems giga gear hungry

Needs like 10 trillion fire res

And so mana hungry

But

I got a 4lp urzil

Lmaoo

[flint turret]

All those tourists whining falconer dead after patch notes smh

[atomic vapor]

I'm mostly playing umbrals to make a statement about everyone who's unavoidably gonna ask if it's dead

[valid jacinth]

i think imma keep playing my ballista bro and maybe start looking at other classes to spice things up or ill eventually quit post uber abberoth anyway

[atomic vapor]

Yeah I'm not saying respec

Whatever feels fun to you obviously

[valid jacinth]

i do have the gear to swap back to my umbrals i might come back to it later

see what im doing wrong

i like the flexbility of respecs in this game

[atomic vapor]

I linked my current toon above if you wanna give it a look

[valid jacinth]

coming from POE1 which feels like a death sentence

[atomic vapor]

Look for my name and "contains link"

[valid jacinth]

yeah ill have a look now

[atomic vapor]

I'm at work rn so I can't pull le tools

But yeah obviously faaar from minmaxed

[valid jacinth]

Are you MG?

[atomic vapor]

No I'm a CoF guy through and through

[valid jacinth]

your gear is beautiful 😂

3LP Jungle

[atomic vapor]

Season 2 I hit a triple t7 4lp jungle

This is a baby toon in comparison

I have three perfect 2lp lirakas, gonna farm purple gloves today

[valid jacinth]

must be nice 😭

[atomic vapor]

Surely one will hit 🤡

[valid jacinth]

i hit double t7s on my bow and kestrel yday

[atomic vapor]

Gigachad

I have a 2 t7 1 t6 chest but no null or core or anything useful

[valid jacinth]

might go back to UB once i get worlds

[atomic vapor]

I refuse to hit elecoe

[valid jacinth]

been also looking at lightning spark rune

i loved cold claw runemaster 2 seasons ago

[atomic vapor]

Is lb even good without wall snapshot

They butchered mage with no compensation

[valid jacinth]

yeah it doubled its damage this season

like literally doubled

[atomic vapor]

What changed?

[valid jacinth]

not too sure but i think they fixed a bug with how spark charge lb works

apparently wasn't working as intended

[atomic vapor]

You got any idea of kill speed times?

I haven't checked vids this season

[valid jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7b9rGbcaeo

sub 2 i can see

from this guy

[atomic vapor]

Sub 2 is good

Ok sounds great

3k health 6k ward 😭

Didn't realize mages are eating right now

[valid jacinth]

yeah it looks really good 😂

seems a bit cringe with the set gear requirements but

seems alright

[atomic vapor]

Can't be worse than hitting a t8 and expecting good 4 regular affixes

Worst grind in the game currently

My friend got a throw/throw speed double t7 ruby ring, missed the evolution

I'd quit the season at that point

[valid jacinth]

😭 bruh

that's so rough

[atomic vapor]

It legit hurt my soul

[valid jacinth]

damn just dropped almost max rolls 1lp null

umbral calling me again lmao

[atomic vapor]

Yesterday I turtled like 50 nulls?

No 2lp

Grind continues

[valid jacinth]

that is rough

[atomic vapor]

I'm way unluckier this season I swear

Last season I hit a double t7 on shattered worlds first try

Gigachad

[valid jacinth]

2lp worlds 💀

[atomic vapor]

Turns out when you kill uber in 10 seconds you can do like 100 in a day 😭

[flint turret]

Same. I'm at 70+ Abby kills and the best 1lp + 2skills nihilis I have is 10 all res and -10 armor

Also I had 3 of 2lp nulls but I don't need them

[atomic vapor]

Yeah my nihilis luck is also abysmal. I'm sure I'll get a good one eventually I keep all of them to gauntlet

I'm not gonna push for a 2lp one yet, I want a good 1lp one first

[flint turret]

Yeah that counting all 0lps to nemesis and all terrible 1lp/legendaries to sacrifice

[atomic vapor]

Yeah same. All nemesis, all divining everything

Nothing so far

[flint turret]

Gonna slam t7 dodge again on it I think

[atomic vapor]

Thankfully busted falconer doesn't need investment there

Sitting at 80% with stacks

[flint turret]

Funnily enough bd has the worst access to dusk shrouds for rogue

While being the primary dodge mastery

[atomic vapor]

I'm at 26 stacks max with nerfed dive bomb and I'm actually tempted to get a +2 shadows glove just to mess around with it

I bet it will be close to 40 with 5 birds

I just don't wanna give up the prim dagger

I'm at 160% movement speed it's absolutely insane

[flint turret]

Yeah my mm hs was also having around 20 constantly

[atomic vapor]

My friend got me a +4/16 dex 1lp with a perfect multi slam and I doubt I'll ever replace it

Sitting at 200 dex with my crap gear

16 umbrals gaming is back online

[flint turret]

Shouldn't bow become better now considering cdr cuts?

[atomic vapor]

Tested it off season, it's slower and I can't explain it. I think the stats from daggers are too big, or maybe cdr becomes less important since I already got 64% from boots/belt

Or both

[flint turret]

But it would open you another primordial like crit body for idols or whatever

[atomic vapor]

Both daggers together give me 60% fire pen and 40% phys pen which blade explosions double dips into

Probably

I mean I'm still in the gearing process so it will be more possible to experiment later down anyway

[flint turret]

Ub explode is 50%fire 50%phys

It doesn't double dip

If you convert to cold everything is cold

[atomic vapor]

Yeah bad wording you're right but I mean I still think there's too many stats as is

I don't think cold is better long term. I lose 34 throw from helm

I don't wanna miss an entire flat slot

Another reason why I doubt a 3lp talon would push ahead

[flint turret]

I don't even think it's a good affix for helm tbh as t7

[atomic vapor]

I have a double t7 purple

I'm getting t7 throw t7 dez

Dex

[final pelican]

Does heartseeker have a limit to how many projectiles are onto one target? I should reconsider focusing attack speed?

[flint turret]

i dont think it does

but im not sure anyone iwould be able to prove either

[final pelican]

I feel like it does, the damage should always exponentially increment since the recurves are way more per shot

[flint turret]

raising attack speed increases dps tho

[atomic vapor]

You can probably fire at the dummy, record and watch the video frame by frame 💀

[final pelican]

but it doesn't increment

[final pelican]

funny thing is I stared at a dummy with heartseeker to check xd

[flint turret]

i dont see how AS should be exponential

if its linear

[atomic vapor]

You're way more dedicated than I am

Which is probably why I fail at minmaxing a lot

[final pelican]

not attack speed, but recurves, I mean that if the recurves are always more than one per shot

it recurves like 6-12 times per shot

[flint turret]

okay, and?

[final pelican]

so if I attack a lot, I should see a lot of recurving shots the more I shoot

[flint turret]

yeah but why exponential tho

[final pelican]

but the recurves on the enemy remain like 3-4

[flint turret]

no they dont

[final pelican]

because there will always be more recurves than attacks

[flint turret]

you can get a node that adds damage per recurve

and see the max recurve you get

up to 20

[flint turret]

yes. but why exponential

[final pelican]

oh alr I don't know the exact times it can recurve at max

[flint turret]

you get 50% more attacks you get 50% more hits counting recurves

nothing exponential here

[final pelican]

ok, it will reach a cap eventually, but it looks like it has a maximum projectiles stuck on an enemy

let's say I hit an enemy 10 times and they all recurve 20 times

it should be 200 hits

it's not, it's way less, factor in recurve chance ecc. but I only see like 50 hits for 10 shots,

I used example numbers of course

[flint turret]

yeah and if you hit an enemy 20 times without changing anything else it will be 400 times, so its linear

you wont be able to count hits manually anyway

the best you can do is to clock down the dummy % loss

how long it takes for you to bring it down fro 100% to 80% lets say after you increase attack speed

[final pelican]

yes, but it looks like there's just so many hits that an enemy can take from the recurves, tied maybe to frames, so big attack speed numbers are useless

[flint turret]

also you can count the shred armor stacks or any ailment

[final pelican]

if I hit 10 times per second at (let's say) 100%+ attack speed

[flint turret]

if you are gitting more on average you are dealing more hits

[final pelican]

yes that's the thing, they increment at a fixed pace

it shouldn't be like that

[flint turret]

so everything works as intended then?

why?

[final pelican]

if it's intended that the projectiles have a maximum count on an enemy, then sure

then attack speed doesn't need to be maxed out

[flint turret]

i dont understand what you are implying tbh

[final pelican]

ok let's recap

if I have 100% attack speed, and 200% attack speed, it won't change for heartseeker on the same enemy, because the hits are fixed by frames, and a maximum number of heartseeker's projectiles can stay on a single enemy

that's why aliments dont increase faster the more you shoot, same for the damage

[flint turret]

dp you have anything to prove it with? because i dont believe its teh case

[final pelican]

I wasn't trying to prove it, I was asking here if this was the case, cause it feels like it

I'll try to send a video

also if what I say is true (idk) then I should focus more on phys dmg and crit multiplier, than attack speed for dps increase

[flint turret]

if you double attack speed you get double the ailments you apply, you can check it pretty easy and it will prove either side

if you wont get double ailments then something is wrong if its double than everything is fine

wont be as easy on MM because MM has AS passive tho

but still doable if you account for it and do prolonged testing

[final pelican]

heartseeker works differently from (let's say) puncture, of course with puncture, double the as, double the aliments, but with heartseeker, as long as you continue shooting, and have enough recurve chance, you will hit the cap of hits per second on an enemy, no matter the attack speed, because heartseeker recurves are always more than single hits, so a cap will get reached anyway, a cap that attack speed doesn't reach with single hit abilities, that's why (imo) heartseeker needs less attack speed than other abilities. Of course attack speed helps reaching that cap faster and having consistency, but attack speed shouldn't be the main focus of the build.

[flint turret]

unless you prove it somehow its just a speculation at this point

[final pelican]

ex: you will reach 600 armor shred stacks with 50% as and 100%, it just takes longer, instead, puncture will reach as long as it can sustain attacks, with attack speed

[final pelican]

I'll try

[flint turret]

i see what you mean but we dont have any reason to believe its the case yet

it might be, i havent tested it like that

[final pelican]

if only the dummies worked like torchlight infinite

they're much more detailed

[flint turret]

its a pretty easy test

[atomic vapor]

yeah you should be able to just tell looking at the ailments on the target

[flint turret]

you just remove all passives for AS and bow\quiver AS

and put them back and check

im not trying to be a bad guy whos just saying you are wrong, but in cases like this it should be more than just words

if experiments for you prove it somehow ill go and check myself too

[final pelican]

I wasn't thinking that, I came here to be proved wrong, dont worry, it helps to get feedback like this

[flint turret]

at this point in LE i wouldnt be surprised by anything tbh

[final pelican]

I've been playing only puncture+heartseeker phys build since last season, with time I noticed that bosses's hp dropped at a fixed pace, and it's always the same speed, so I thought that a cap was in for heartseeker projectiles, would love for it to not be the case honestly

but it would make sense if it was capped, because if a single projectile splits into multiple, it has the power to get increasingly stronger overtime (the more you shoot) it would be logical to cap that to not make it the best ability in the game for dps

[flint turret]

i see what you mean but thats not enough to have a decent evidence for a bug report, unless you check it on dummy and find no increase in ailment count

[final pelican]

I should check at 1 stack armor shred at different attack speeds, I'll try to arrange that

[bold brook]

i can tank it occasionally, I assume its only when I have the extra endurance threshold from Outlander's Tenacity

glad to see I'm not going completely insane seeing my damage lower by so much and not knowing exactly why

[atomic vapor]

Did you figure out why that happens?

[bold brook]

does that mana stack detonating arrow that does nothing except kill uber still exist? maybe ill build that for some catharsis

i have not

[atomic vapor]

Build recalled umbrals it has lower gear reqs

[bold brook]

you have a planner?

[atomic vapor]

No, but now that I think about it I doubt that works anymore since they capped shroud stacks

Yeah I don't think it oneshots

[flint turret]

case closed

[atomic vapor]

I didn't see anything change about detonating arrow, but you're mg so it shouldn't be too hard

[flint turret]

it should probably

t8 mana helps probably

even after mana idols nerfed

[bold brook]

thats what ill start today then

[flint turret]

yeah bro me neither

but your damage sucks ass for some reason

[atomic vapor]

If your goal is to just kill it and not oneshot it, you can just make a cheap falconer which would double as a fast mapper for making money

[bold brook]

thanks Ragu and everyone else who tried to help me, appreciate you all taking the time looking at my recordings 🙂

[flint turret]

it might some uebr abby thing

[bold brook]

my cascade is plenty fast at mapping, I do think ill enjoy seeing the oneshot

[flint turret]

he migh have some adaptive dr or something

[atomic vapor]

Understood, sounds good then

[flint turret]

while hes casting some skills maybe

i havent recorded and looked at my uber attempts yet maybe i will firure something out eventually

most likely not tho at this point

[atomic vapor]

Do the damage dips happen at timeline bosses

Or harbingers or whatever

[flint turret]

it was the case but im mostly sure he messed up snapshotting

after this thats the only video i saw when there was no chance of it

[atomic vapor]

Imo that's worth exploring. Doing the rotation right a few times should at least rule out a bug and attest it to just uber

Just kill a few bosses at 2k and record and check the numbers

[flint turret]

well even my testing of cascade is weird

so im not sure whats going on entirely either

but ny damage ramps up and drops more gradually

[atomic vapor]

Season 3 hates you. Everything you touch ends up janky first prolif now cascade

I swear

[flint turret]

well cascade was always weird with its snapshotting

so whatever

[atomic vapor]

bd rework season 4 copium

[flint turret]

i dont really have an explanation of x7 times damage dispersion

[valid jacinth]

i was looking at AF more @atomic vapor only need t8 prim ring for the falconer version

can still run the marksman

[atomic vapor]

I hate the marksman version

It has a mana generator

Which means damage dips

[valid jacinth]

mana is such a fiend in this game

[flint turret]

1st is a snapshoted cascade

[atomic vapor]

I mean I don't wanna make flask just to be worse than umbrals you get me

[flint turret]

woth shift

[valid jacinth]

yeah esp if you're getting like 2:30 kills 💀

[flint turret]

second one is me hitting with sync-shift constantly

its 10 times difference

for whatever reason tehre is

[atomic vapor]

This is insane

[valid jacinth]

ive seen some videos of people using UB but their UB ability icon is like flickering

[atomic vapor]

falconer tourists like ragu calls them use macros

It'll take people 10 seasons till they realize you can hold buttons down in LE

You can look at my kills if you want to get an idea what a kill looks like with ok gear

The only good part I have on is the belt

[valid jacinth]

those are some beautiful numbers

[flint turret]

like how a skill can deal 10 times more damage

when realistically its only doom and armor shred

which is like 36% more and around 60-70% more

and phys shred okay

[atomic vapor]

Did Misha look into it I saw her talking about it earlier but I didn't read

[flint turret]

up to 20% but realistically less

either LE has some sort of merging numbers

thats would explain it

but at this point it doesnt look like so for me

because i see way more numbers with HS and they all are pretty low

[atomic vapor]

Doesn't le have merging numbers? When a billion umbrals explode you get one number

[flint turret]

cascades dont hit at the same time

shadows do it by turn over a short period

[atomic vapor]

Oh they go one by one? Ok then I doubt that's it

[flint turret]

yeah yhey do

[atomic vapor]

I figured it's simultaneous since sync spawns them at the same time

Unless smoke bomb causes disparity

[final pelican]

alright, there's no cap

[final pelican]

used two different types of as where I thought it would cap, the shred stacks increased with the more as version

[atomic vapor]

There's considerabe pacing between each pop I doubt numbers merge yeah

[final pelican]

obviously with no extra shred chance

[bold brook]

footage of a few timeline bosses is being uploaded now

now time to level mm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsZl5ydUMpI

[flint turret]

damage is respectable

still not that great considering the amount of lps

lagon getting shreded

if you could keep theese numbers on uber abby it would have been much faster

[flint turret]

my 1k shade, i dont have mana yet for trople sync-shift, but i will soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqxkdxlOXqQ

need 1 mana slam

im hoping i will be able to somewhat stunlock uber too

with t7 stun on weapon(s) and dancing strike for more damage

[bold brook]

will you be trying that full stun thing you were cooking? with the idol booster

[flint turret]

maybe, im not sure

ill try ot as ll

maybe full stun in offline if it somewhat works out

i think ill use arek bones with t7 stun+reen with t7 stun

+4 flat crit in cascade

or weaver mace

[bold brook]

illbe interested to see the results

also did you say that Concentration is bugged now?

[flint turret]

yeah and its worse than expected

[bold brook]

I was trying it early on on Cascade, was wondering why it didnt seem too great

[flint turret]

its not only doesnt increase your damage it actively gives you LESS damage than not having it when you get hit

[bold brook]

lmao wtf

haha

[flint turret]

at least if shuriken tooltips dont lie

[bold brook]

tooltips being wrong in this game? unheard of

[flint turret]

i cant really test it on dummies because no one cant hit me there

well it can be a visual bug with concentration decreasing your damage

but it doesnt increase it either for sure

at best its useless at worst its -16% less damage when you get hit

[bold brook]

the dodge node after it probably still worth wasting 1 in conc tho right?

[flint turret]

yeah i got it still

[bold brook]

do you know if the hit damage reduction works?

[flint turret]

dunno if worth tho

i dont have leech or good sustain so i kinda have to

dunno

im not taking it

[atomic vapor]

I've chosen to completely skip the entire line until I see it in the patch notes

[flint turret]

10% hit reduction for 1 hit for 5 points sounds not that great

especially with me having perfection already

[valid jacinth]

@atomic vapor what would you use as replacements for shattering worlds/jungle queen atm? im running brewmasters buckle

[atomic vapor]

Brew + shred/leech relic with throw and dex

I had the shred one and it shred capped me at around 80-100 stacks

I like overcapping shred for maps

Helps ramp up on champs faster

Also nemesis etc

If you don't have phys throw on helm you can convert cold and use ucenui for increased cold

plenty of build options depending on your current gear

[valid jacinth]

im gonna roll back to umbral blades i think for mapping

helm is ass, no LP on primal, no lps on rings or claws

[atomic vapor]

I think physical pushes ahead with t7 throw on helm, jungle and shattered worlds, I'm not a fan of the cold variant but I don't know what's better with max gear

[valid jacinth]

yea cold doesn't seem to do a lot of damage for me

[atomic vapor]

I like that you went for core, I'm too chicken to use/grind one

I'm a null enjoyer

I know, basic

[cloud plover]

Is Soulgambler affected by Corruption or can I do the echo in low C?

[atomic vapor]

I doubt anyone could answer you with accuracy

[flint turret]

i think it doesnt really matter because you have a guaranteed unique on the first buy and thats when you most likely get it

and lower corr = more embers because faster clear

[atomic vapor]

I assume they mean lp or whatever I don't know

I still think it's extremely low net value for running an entire map

[flint turret]

its unlikely that LP is affected by it

because the things you buy are not even cof or mg tagged

[atomic vapor]

we have a case of something being affected by cof but not corruption, turtle (according to tunk anyway) so I don't see a world where the opposite couldn't be true

[flint turret]

you can buy from the vendor as cof and it will be tradable on mg

[atomic vapor]

What I mean is, corr could affect it without giving it a faction tag

[valid jacinth]

ye think i just need to change to phys with peak of the mountain

get LP on my prim and gloves

[flint turret]

yeah im not entirely rulling it out

im just saying whats more likely imo

[atomic vapor]

If you have a double t7 helm, the god slam would be t7 dex t7 throw and health

[atomic vapor]

yeah I agree, I doubt it makes any realistic difference at all either way

[flint turret]

yeah

as long as you can farm at least for 1 amulet every echo

and always buy it first

[valid jacinth]

unfortunately no 😭

do have a 2LP mountain tho

[atomic vapor]

I have a few 3lp ones but no good helm yet because I'm focused on gloves

I have the purple to grind out with imprints

Just haven't gotten to it yet

Lirakas are waiting for me to brick first

[valid jacinth]

my only ones with LP have literal lowest roll crit multi

[atomic vapor]

Originally I was thinking I could crit cap without it this season. 13 traitor + 5 SW + 4 prim dagger + 5 base = 27%. If you account for the crit vulnerability on dive bomb and idols help you can probably crit cap easily without peak

And use barbute in its place

For the dex

But the problem with that is I don't wanna give up the health

Of course I could simply be a god gamer and roll a 3lp barbute

But I am no such thing

[atomic vapor]

You have no idea how many I went through to minmax that imprint

Prophecies were not cooperating

So I swapped to razors for prophecies and imprinted lirakas

[wraith nacelle]

Any one farming experimental affixes is there a way to change one experimental to another experimental on an item ?

[valid jacinth]

i believe you 😭 your gear is beautiful

[bold brook]

i ddont think so

[valid jacinth]

yea im like 51% crit with all my addons

[cloud plover]

IT EXISTS

[atomic vapor]

You should definitely take the crit chance blessing until you're able to crit cap without it

[cloud plover]

of course i get the back to back now........

[valid jacinth]

need to check with mountain what it looks like

was using a midroll boneclamor with t6 dex before

[atomic vapor]

Yeah barbute imo is an endgame item for falconer

Needs a lot of gear to crit cap without it

Well, without giving other things up that is

If you wanna maintain your slams and not have to resort to a drastic increased crit somewhere

[atomic vapor]

Maybe you accidentally hit let fate decide on the first one who knows

[flint turret]

the only thing i dont like about soulgambler is a abby relic dependancy

[cloud plover]

I have no idea how I am ever going to get one.......

[flint turret]

well

you can just stop caring about spell crit

and use gathering fury or whatever

[atomic vapor]

I can carry you when I get better gear but right now I'm not strong enough to carry

[flint turret]

or dragonsong for easy cap

[cloud plover]

Yeah dragonsong at least wouldn't lose me too much dps...

[flint turret]

i may have accidentaly found a weapon for my stun practice

[cloud plover]

How would you move around the skill points for HS?
I lose 2 because of soul gambler and it would probably be worth to invest into the base crit, no?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1P0GlKo

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (29) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (60) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,588, Regen: 27.41/s
▸ Mana: 216.24, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 137 Dex / 18 Int / 33 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 63% / 114% / 86% / 59% / 77% / 152%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 556
▸ Dodge Chance: 40% (1407)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 10% (258)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 22%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Puncture

[rigid latch]

i swapped to falconer on acid trap, put like 30-40 mil into the build and i do less dmg now

XD

[cloud plover]

Do I need to switch anything else if I wanted to use Dragonsong instead?

[atomic vapor]

It needs a lot of gear to do good damage it seems like

[crimson latch]

damn D: i guess i'll use all my useless 2lp from nemessis to roll

[flint turret]

it looks okay tbh

[flint turret]

drop fire probably for now

max bonepiercer and agains all odds

convert to cold

[cloud plover]

so you wouldnt go dragonsong

[flint turret]

i dont like dragonsong in general

id rather go gathering fury tbh if i dont have decent row

[crimson latch]

so the best bow for HS rn is RoW

[atomic vapor]

from a pure dps perspective dragonsong should be better but shotgunning on a marksman is impractical

[flint turret]

can be tied with hydra i think

but hydra takes a primo slot so

[atomic vapor]

also those horrendous flat ranges

plus you can 3D print dragonsongs all day long, 3lp should be doable

hydra not so much

[flint turret]

dragonsong is pretty meh

it works really bad with wasd

[atomic vapor]

falconer numbers are a beautiful thing

[cloud plover]

btw @flint turret I am getting around 1600 ward on the boss dummy with my build right now

[flint turret]

hmmm seems a bit lower than i expected

can you post a planner?

[cloud plover]

Haven't changed much except ruin my helmet by rerolling........
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Baedb7xB

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (29) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (60) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,588, Regen: 27.41/s
▸ Mana: 216.24, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 137 Dex / 18 Int / 33 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 63% / 114% / 86% / 59% / 77% / 152%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 556
▸ Dodge Chance: 40% (1407)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 10% (258)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 22%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Puncture

[crimson latch]

are you gonna slam Crit mult on amulet?

[cloud plover]

Ohhh my bad I didn't update the link
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Av6xKwYA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (29) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (60) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,422, Regen: 27.41/s
▸ Mana: 216.24, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 20/s
▸ Attributes: 18 Str / 135 Dex / 18 Int / 33 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 89% / 70% / 119% / 88% / 59% / 77% / 152%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 497
▸ Dodge Chance: 37% (1302)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 10% (258)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 22%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver / Puncture

[crimson latch]

lol

[flint turret]

oh come on bro

i just wanted light res or hp

seriously

stupid creation slamming

[atomic vapor]

this is the most rogue inventory ever

[cloud plover]

bzw RoW seems to be the most viable bow for Soulgambler HS because the icicle crits are actually huge. I get almost doulb the ward with Row

[graceful notch]

@lapis pumice Failed too much, the barrier to upgrading this meme build is a bit high 🥹

[inner musk]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApZjLJdB anything i can do to improve this

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Rogue (37) / Bladedancer (60) / Falconer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 2,176, Regen: 21.81/s
▸ Mana: 163.98, Regen: 11.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 96%, Regen: 13/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 25 Dex / 14 Int / 14 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 85% / 69% / 78% / 73% / 85% / 117%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 45%, Threshold: 435
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (284)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (952)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 33%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 33%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Shurikens / Synchronized Strike / Smoke Bomb / Lethal Mirage

[flint turret]

i might have found a reson of sync damage insosistensy, well, at least partially

when you double sync it looks like tehre are 4\5 +4 shadows on a field at the same time for a split second

this might count tht in

ill try to test it further later

[inner musk]

this one

[charred current]

AH

[trim dawn]

I just got back, so is it confirmed concentration isn't working? @atomic vapor @flint turret ?

[graceful notch]

Wow, rift beast echo have drop rune of evolution

[dire forge]

That's a big information

[flint turret]

search above i exdplained it a couple of times today

its worse than just not working

[trim dawn]

WAIT LMAO

[atomic vapor]

in case you want consolation for the siphons ragu

missed the t7 throw twice

I love this game so much

[dire forge]

Anyone here running uber abby on UB phys falconer? I need to compare the kill times so I can improve my build

[atomic vapor]

it makes me want to uninstall it out of love

[atomic vapor]

2:30 with mostly 1lps here

2lp traitor 2lp belt

[dire forge]

Oh I know it from somewhere, oh right my velocyn 2lp fail

[atomic vapor]

rest 1lp

[atomic vapor]

oh my god that hurts

[dire forge]

Yeah 9,2 mil down the drain

Out of %melee dmg, blind and phys pen t6 it took melee dmg

[flint turret]

rip