wait after 3lp not slam
#🔪┃rogue
atomic vapor
kind atlas
yeah thats what ive been doing
atomic vapor
depends
okay so what I've been doing lately is
get a million prophecies then dump them all on daggers (I farm belt with imprints)
then drop daggers in turtle in bulk
roll the 3lps with other 3lps
and nemesis the good rolled 0lps
I figured gauntlet is a little too slow given how the dagger itself drops like candy
you will absolutely beat the odds for 3lp at least, 4lp is another story
kind atlas
yeah the lpl isnt that high
atomic vapor
kind atlas
its not that bad actually. it would have been a nightmare last season without the stuff we ahve
atomic vapor
that's gonna be a determining factor on whether I play season 3
if farming doesn't stay at this level of consistency
I'll play something else
kind atlas
wonder if they will leave imprints as they are. exalted prophs need a huge buff
crimson latch
which build i could use to kill uber aberrothj ?
graceful notch
kind atlas
the rolls on it too though
verbal pier
george why u still using flat affix on dagger?
atomic vapor
why not? Umbral blades have the melee tag
verbal pier
why not? Umbral blades have the melee tag
umbral doesnt, but shadow dagger has
atomic vapor
oh sorry yeah I meant the physical tag
verbal pier
its physical melee not throwing so it doesnt increase for umbral
atomic vapor
are you 100%? Whenever I used daggers without flat I got slower kills
verbal pier
Ive test it on dummy, tooltip and LE tools
for tooltip I have the video it doesnt increase the dps, u want to watch it?
but it increase for shadow dagger
atomic vapor
It's just that increased feels so wasted because you get such a massive amount of increased dmg from idols
I can't watch something rn I'm at work, but if I trust someone's testing that's yours
I've got like 10 3lp daggers I'll hit another one and try to lower my time
verbal pier
It's just that increased feels so wasted because you get such a massive amount o...
but if u got 100% - 200% ur dps increase a lot I think since we cant get throwing dmg on weapon
atomic vapor
Keeping this for when I can watch. Yeah you're not wrong obviously, just what my initial reasoning was
I'm still on the dagger grind so I'll see what I can do
verbal pier
yeahh, and I changed to shadow glove too for more dmg cause can get more dusk shroud stacks
its on dummy, 215 stacks + 8 stacks smoke blades.
but I think its impossible for real battle, Highest I get is 140ish and 5-7 smoke blade stacks
sharp ravenBOT
graceful hare
Wouldn't crit multi be a safe bet un this case?
Funny to find out, that my weapons perhaps never added any dmg.
Never went on a deep dive here and rather trusted what people commonly use
atomic vapor
Builds keep getting optimized as we go. Someone will always usually find a better interaction when enough minds work together
Meru already uses multi btw
The debate was on the third stat
graceful hare
Meru already uses multi btw
Was thinking about people that can settle with a single t7 ^^
But thanks for clarifying!
atomic vapor
I think t7 should be pen personally
astral iron
so melee physical% is better than melee phy?
verbal pier
Builds keep getting optimized as we go. Someone will always usually find a bette...
Agreed
graceful hare
Increased physical, not melee.
verbal pier
Was thinking about people that can settle with a single t7 ^^
But thanks for cl...
can be crit multi or phys pen its almost same for final dmg ( on dummy ) but cant be sure if on boss or monster since its difficult to check it
graceful hare
Yeah, suddenly it all makes more sense to me.
Never questioned this "has a melee tag" and blindly followed. Now I see why I didn't understood that 🙂
But hey, its still good news to me. Means my daggers are almoat naked and the damage is already so OP and more then enough for my purpose.
But I have 3LP daggers left and will see if I can make a quick improvement there
atomic vapor
I will always go pen first on a fast physical build because armor affects physical more than other resistances so being able to burn through both res and armor with shred as effectively as possible feels more intuitive than just another modifier like multi
It synergizes well with shred in that regard
So if they decide to introduce a monster with built in phys res, you'll be preemptively ready for it
It feels safer than multi even if it would be a little weaker on paper
I really hope the PoB fork is strong in season 3 so that calculating becomes more user friendly
graceful hare
Tbh, I still think: What great news, so all my dmg comes from almost naked daggers. All I can see is upgrade potential 😄
What again shows how broken this build is 🤭
atomic vapor
personally I hope they don't outright murder the build
there's a difference between nerfing and making something unusable
graceful hare
EHG usually isn't too bad in nerfing for my feeling. Usually they slap the wrist, and don't cut it
graceful hare
If once case makes a general rule for you, look at divine bolt pala ^^ A comparable level of being broken came down to a "perfectly balanced" build
atomic vapor
No no the sentiment was that if a build is the prime suspect of outright killing, that usually is the best performing build
Glacier was S tier outside of crazy MG builds (because you couldn't farm anything reasonably good with CoF before imprints)
In my eyes, if one such outlier build is the prime suspect of being nerfed to oblivion that's falconer
I don't like falconer because it's broken. I like falconer because it's cool
And I don't want to see it die
graceful hare
Yes, I also like this very fast gameplay style. But I strongly believe in EHG that it is possible to cut the dmg of some extreme falconers by a half without ruining the entire mastery.
And I mean, Falconer is not only Umbral Blades and stuff. There's a few really nice ethic Falconers too.
I started the season with a cold acid flask for example. Beautiful skill and absolutely had a great time with that without the feeling that this should not be possible 😄
nocturne wave
can i use this on a 3lp talon or should i wait for double exalts?
atomic vapor
My most favorite skill in the entire game is smoke bomb with the traversal tag
It enables the ninja power fantasy and it's even cooler with the falcon interacting with it further
atomic vapor
can i use this on a 3lp talon or should i wait for double exalts?
Only you can answer that
Would you like to wait that out or not?
Keep in mind if you imprint a 3lp talon you'll get them very regularly
It's just that the rolls on it are a little punishing
If you need the power spike the obvious answer is go for it, but if your talon is maxrolled maybe you should wait
Or slam it in a worse bow
nocturne wave
thanks for the advice!
atomic vapor
No problem
flint turret
If once case makes a general rule for you, look at divine bolt pala ^^ A compara...
You can look no further than da. It always sucked before traps were added, then next. Season it was butchered once(with jelks, which was completely broken) and then it was butchered with a blast rain too(which wasn't broken at all, maybe on par with hs or slightly better)
Only thing that's left for da is a manastacking one-punchman meme
flint turret
In my eyes, if one such outlier build is the prime suspect of being nerfed to ob...
Every nerf ehg made to falconer they compensated with a buff, and most of the times the buff is bigger than a nerf, so dunno in what reality falconer is a prime suspect of being butchered. It gained massive powers since it's release up to date overall, even tho it was already broken op on release
This dusk shroud fix (massive buff) mid season was totally uncalled for
I have no idea what's going on in ehg heads so they decided to add 1500% increased and 1500% more damage to umbral build that was already clearing 10k corr in a previous seasons
oblique moon
👍
toxic swift
has anyone given acid flask trap conversion a try? does it still get cluster bombs? does the fan node throw 3 traps still, but allow them all to hit one enemy since it's a trap?
pale quail
can be crit multi or phys pen its almost same for final dmg ( on dummy ) but can...
phys pen is slightly better than crit multi with my test, maybe its because crit multi is overstacked in my build(over 700%) while phys pen from dagger is the only source.
flint turret
Why no phys shred tho?
atomic vapor
I have no idea what's going on in ehg heads so they decided to add 1500% increas...
I still think there exists a universe where the entire interaction and premise can be balanced down to reasonable performance, I guess season 3 will tell
atomic vapor
phys pen is slightly better than crit multi with my test, maybe its because crit...
That's great to know, that was also my suspicion
verbal pier
phys pen is slightly better than crit multi with my test, maybe its because crit...
crit multi better than phys if its under 600%, more than that phys pen better
flint turret
I still think there exists a universe where the entire interaction and premise c...
Maybe it does, but we are moving further and further away from it. At first falconer could have been adjusted by reducing the falconer journey node to a reasonable amount(because 1 node giving +100% more and +100-200 separate more damage is just stupid), but then they added razor boots, followed by inheritance, followed by dusk shroud fix
There is no simple way to tune down falconer now
Its broken on multiple layers
prisma marlin
my first 2x tier 7 slam
atomic vapor
Maybe it does, but we are moving further and further away from it. At first falc...
You're not wrong at all. But at least they recognized it in that one reddit post so I'm still interested to see what season 3 brings
atomic vapor
my first 2x tier 7 slam
Congrats big slam!
haughty wharf
my char gets stuck after using shift quite often, anyone knows a fix for this?
flint turret
You're not wrong at all. But at least they recognized it in that one reddit post...
That Reddit post(if I'm thinking about the same as you) was before they buffed dusk x3 for umbrals tho
latent sierra
Running aerial assault with featherstorm and dive bomb with birds aren't real. Why does my dive bomb cancel featherstorm?
hollow patio
Are there any implications to being able to spam Shift? I've been on a quest to find a Traversal to abuse with the fixed t7 potion lowers traversal cd affix lol.
saw a video with a guy doing it with Surge and wondered if any other skills could be used in the same way, but never made a Rogue before.
maybe shift spam Chakram?
@keen snow do you play Rogues haha
toxic swift
shift shadow cascade is what I'm using it for
low life, converted all potion health to ward, auto potion use thanks to the low life node on shift
excellent mono farming build, struggles on boss dps
hollow patio
thats awesome!
toxic swift
yeah, it's a ton of fun. a build that I've been playing since beta I think, but it really does feel like this is the best it's been at least in terms of how smooth it feels to play
used to be that you could have like 8k ward easy and the death's door node gave you basically free 100% crit chance on everything, but this is definitely more fun
heavy parcel
Playing umbral blades falconer. Should I take a 2 LP talons of valor over a 1 LP if I lose 1 point of aerial assault
next gale
Hi. If I'm making an exsanguinous build. Do I need to put health on items at all? or do those builds usually skip health altogether.
slate mulch
can falconer still kill uberroth with blue gear?
cobalt mantle
Hi. If I'm making an exsanguinous build. Do I need to put health on items at all...
Exsanguinous and similar items give you ward generation that scales with your max health, so you still stack health. You skip endurance, though.
inner stone
perhaps im misunderstanding - but any reason bow/quiver umbral falconer cant swap in sync strike for decoy for easier shadows?
inner stone
Playing umbral blades falconer. Should I take a 2 LP talons of valor over a 1 LP...
few hours late - personally i just slammed my 1lp with the t7 base crit roll from the maxroll and it is shredding at 600 corruption with the rest of my build. i think if you can nail the slam on the 2lp it'll probably be better, but id def slam it first and if you miss an affix, id just throw it through the gauntlet of strife on another 2lp if you have one
next gale
Exsanguinous and similar items give you ward generation that scales with your ma...
I see. Thank you. I’m building so wrong then. Lmao.
thin quartz
after 2 weeks, finally can upgraded my helmet.
im just tilted that i tried to reroll and got low rolls.
4849 health as a marksman
verbal pier
4849 health as a marksman
thats crazy, Im struggling searching for 2 LP core and 4 LP dagger rn
thin quartz
thats crazy, Im struggling searching for 2 LP core and 4 LP dagger rn
you need help with core? 2 players doing lightless are much faster
vernal zealot
can falconer still kill uberroth with blue gear?
Technically it never could, the blue gear was item edited but its insanely strong still yes
thin quartz
Technically it never could, the blue gear was item edited but its insanely stron...
blue gear edited to be max roll. its blue gear. 2 affix line T5.
vernal zealot
And that version still got nerfed 
Just checked, literally relied on featherfall and cdr everywhere he could get it
next gale
does anyone know what are all the rogue abilities that can be instant? i can only find falcon strikes and dive bomb.
thin quartz
Just checked, literally relied on featherfall and cdr everywhere he could get it
you dont think everywhere CDR T5 is possible without editing?
graceful hare
Were speaking about the vid from Terek?
thin quartz
Were speaking about the vid from Terek?
yeah hahaha
graceful hare
Where is the problem with his gear? Only CDR on slots where it is possible, or what do I miss?
thin quartz
nono, i dont see any problem. its just someone else probably felt that its offline that its a taboo or something. i do brush off edited gears / build as well but that particular video is as good as no edit since its blue gears only
graceful hare
you dont think everywhere CDR T5 is possible without editing?
Ah I see! Completly misunderstood your post here!
My reading skills... 🤣
thin quartz
yeah no worries. it be like that sometimes
atomic vapor
I still think proof of concept builds hold value
In that sense offline editing helps theorycrafting
So if someone states that it's edited and it's for testing and doesn't pretend they're online I'm fine with it
As long as people are honest about it I don't care personally
thin quartz
oh yeah of course.
but the line is drawn when full unique edited to max roll with 2lp slammed.
that's gonna be abit absurd. to me at least.
atomic vapor
It largely depends on how common the unique is. E.g blood roost or traitor or dragonsong I can see maxrolled (some of our gear is maxrolled and we're online). But if someone comes with a maxrolled 2lp/3lp nihilis in every single stat and maxrolled slams as well, yeah it's a little too much
Unless the test is "what that class can do with 100% god gear"
I understand that completely, purely theoretical stress test
But ofc again it all comes down to intent and honesty
vernal zealot
you dont think everywhere CDR T5 is possible without editing?
Im not saying that, it also probably isnt possible since nerf because featherfall was relied on
atomic vapor
It should definitely be possible with just enough cdr and umbrals idols since silver shroud doesn't rely on gear
Granted it's gonna take some pro gameplay
There's enough skill points to rush the bottom right part of dive bomb
Same with falconry, you can just take mostly the top part which is important
Smoke bomb just the cleanse+silver shroud+max shadows
Umbrals ofc isn't skill starved anyway
And AA most of the final points are qol
You probably just can't stay inside anything it's gonna be instant death
You can get double kris knives with multi and t5 pen and nothing else
That alone should be more dps than some low end geared builds 💀
thin quartz
It largely depends on how common the unique is. E.g blood roost or traitor or dr...
funny enough, there was a video with exactly what you said. lp2 nihilis with perfect roll.
queen thorn
flint turret
verbal pier
you need help with core? 2 players doing lightless are much faster
it will take more than 2hrs to get LP2 I think hahaha
thin quartz
it will take more than 2hrs to get LP2 I think hahaha
get a bunch of core, tower > egg > tower > egg
hahaha
verbal pier
get a bunch of core, tower > egg > tower > egg
my tower for dagger and not even 4lp come to me😭😭
slate mulch
at 70%+ dodge is it worth it to keep juicing the stat?
1 more dodge affix only gets like 73% dodge
would it be better served with health or another defensive stat
flint turret
depends on the amounts you are getting. 70 to 73% dodge is pure 11% ehp increase vs hits
if that health affix would hive you +11% pure health, its better most likely, because it helps vs dot too
atomic vapor
funny enough, there was a video with exactly what you said. lp2 nihilis with per...
not gonna lie doesn't surprise me lol
inner stone
is it worth swapping to traitors tongue umbral falconer over bow/quiver if i have a few good daggers?
600 corruption if that matters
spare folio
do ballistas count as minions?
graceful hare
yes
scenic belfry
best way to farm for penumbra?
prisma marlin
is it worth swapping to traitors tongue umbral falconer over bow/quiver if i hav...
I stayed bow and enjoying it. Personal preference imo
haughty wharf
best way to farm for penumbra?
woven echo guarantees you kill crimson blade otherwise its just spam arena until you first find her then kill her
last night I run over 30 arenas and I encountered her only once was kinda sad when I went to bed when I started falling asleep on my keyboard xD
scenic belfry
woven echo guarantees you kill crimson blade otherwise its just spam arena until...
got 2 from 1 echo, thanks!
haughty wharf
got 2 from 1 echo, thanks!
damn lucky you ahhhahaha GZ THO
I did 4 of those echos and got 1 only
droprate should be 50ish% if im correct so im just unlucky
flint turret
Petition to replace penumbra ring drop in arena to razor boots
haughty wharf
but I got 2 3lp items for a mage build ill be playing later if nothing else
I mean if I drop one more mage item I'll just have to ditch my rog cuz while farming my rog gear I got 80% of my mages build completed....
and my R has only 1 ring and a 1 lp weapon xDD
next gale
is endurance a good defensive stat in this game? (im a nooby)
flint turret
is endurance a good defensive stat in this game? (im a nooby)
Best after life, sometimes can be better
Sometimes it's useless (on low life builds)
keen snow
is endurance a good defensive stat in this game? (im a nooby)
yes, but it has serious limitations
next gale
mhm. i tried going low life. but its not working for me. like at all. so getting health gear now
flint turret
On life builds getting 60% endurance is mandatory if you want it at least somewhat optimized
keen snow
there are other kinds of ward builds where the ward generation is totally separate from your hp values and you really can just not have any hp or endurance etc
keen snow
the endurance threshold affix you can get on belts is bad
but there are sources of endurance threshold which are very good
next gale
oh really hmm
flint turret
what do you do about endurance threshold?
It rolls only on belts now so it's basically non-existent
Otherwise it's almost as good as hp affixes
plucky harbor
Sorry for dumb questions !
I am trying a HS build.
I got the basic stuff.
The red ring seems to be very hard to get, could i use Tongue of the abberrant while waiting to drop the red ?
i mean, +3 all attributes is not bad ? If y slam cold damage and dext into them ?
keen snow
if you don't have any % increased health then that endurance threshold affix is actually better than flat hp assuming you have 60% endurance.
But it doesn't scale with or benefit from % increased hp so flat hp and % increased hp (also available as a belt suffix!) is just better
flint turret
Sorry for dumb questions !
I am trying a HS build.
I got the basic stuff.
The r...
I'd recommend nomad/crab/oceareon
next gale
if you don't have any % increased health then that endurance threshold affix is ...
oh hm. are there good endurance uniques i should look out for?
or health uniques in general
flint turret
oh hm. are there good endurance uniques i should look out for?
Anchor , wall, ravs
Mountain boots
next gale
ill look them up ty.
flint turret
Brew belt and mountain core give some too
keen snow
oh hm. are there good endurance uniques i should look out for?
foot of the mountain boots, mantle of the pale ox is absurdly strong if you have a minion, titan heart, brewmaster's buckle, twisted heart
next gale
i have a falcon hm
keen snow
some of those are just generically good health uniques
flint turret
But those don't give endurance mostly
next gale
but im doing manually casted umbral blades
keen snow
I don't know if falcon counts for mantle
next gale
hmm
keen snow
falcon can't be hit/take damage can it?
next gale
it cant
haughty wharf
I think you put too much value on endurance
plucky harbor
I'd recommend nomad/crab/oceareon
i'll check those !
And for the red ? Any tips to get them ? i mean, farming winter timeline but anything else ? 🙂
keen snow
I think you put too much value on endurance
having 60% endurance is like having 130% hp & increased recovery
getting 60% endurance is pretty important for builds relying on their health pool
flint turret
i'll check those !
And for the red ? Any tips to get them ? i mean, farming wint...
Either buy of market or use unique ring prophecies. Farming timelines for unique specific drops is useless
haughty wharf
having 60% endurance is like having 130% hp & increased recovery
true, but he said his hp is very low atm
so looking for endurance NOW
seems like like his 3rd problem
or I misunderstood that
plucky harbor
Either buy of market or use unique ring prophecies. Farming timelines for unique...
Just starting ampowered, so i'll farm a little the winter one to get corruption up.
400 million the ring is not possible at market for me for the moment ^^'
keen snow
seems like like his 3rd problem
yeah but a couple of T5 endurance affixes on exalted rings would be a low investment way of gaining significant EHP on the cheap
flint turret
You can ignore endurance up to some point. Fix res and life first. Endurance is basically a damage reduction, it's a multiplier to your overall ehp. I can recommend just slapping 0-1lp anchor into any hp build as soon as possible tho and replace it later if needed when you get more alternatives how to cap endurance
flint turret
Just starting ampowered, so i'll farm a little the winter one to get corruption ...
You can swap to cof if you are not invested in mg yet. Its not that hard to get them on cof
plucky harbor
You can swap to cof if you are not invested in mg yet. Its not that hard to get ...
Too late. Rank 10 at merchant. And using stuff i buy ^^'
Thanks for your answers btw ! I'll farm and get money or loot !
flint turret
Too late. Rank 10 at merchant. And using stuff i buy ^^'
Thanks for your answers...
I see. Yeah, then just farm whatever provides you the most gold. Buy any legendary rr and imprint it
That's probably the most you can do as mg
plucky harbor
I see. Yeah, then just farm whatever provides you the most gold. Buy any legenda...
Yup ! Just need to fix my loot filter to not showing me only the loot for HS build, i'll take time later to check that
next gale
are there any good set items in this game? or can i safely filter them all out
keen snow
are there any good set items in this game? or can i safely filter them all out
don't think there are any useful ones for rogue
next gale
awesome ty ❤️
keen snow
actually there is one with niche defensive uses, the corsair one, but you could still safely filter that out and not worry about it
haughty wharf
awesome ty ❤️
if you are new just pick up everything and vendor it for early gold gains
next gale
im new, but no lifeing it, lvl 95 atm and i have no idea what im doing
IM HAVING SO MUCH FUN
uneven gull
if you are new just pick up everything and vendor it for early gold gains
Definitely don’t pick up items to vendor. You’d make more by just killing more
haughty wharf
Definitely don’t pick up items to vendor. You’d make more by just killing more
to fund your early runes and push my 1st 2 mil to run dungeon to gamba it defo sped it up
its one click to pick it up
average is 1500 gold per unique/set item
uneven gull
Sure you can pick up uniques and legendaries super early on but definitely don’t pick up exalts or lower
haughty wharf
ye thats what I meant I just forgot to say dont pick up exalts
and stuff
thank you for correcting me tho!
haughty wharf
how do people farm t7 affixes on weapons?
so far I got best resoults from getting propercy to kill champions which drops me 2 handed swords and I just keep dying on purpose in pillar of skulls
anything more efficent?
and deaths of rare enemies etc
rapid sinew
Does elemental damage effect icicle heartseeker I got it on my red ring
Didn’t get lucky on the 1lp with nem
cobalt mantle
Does elemental damage effect icicle heartseeker I got it on my red ring
Cold, lightning, and fire are all elemental, sounds like cold so yes
rapid sinew
Ahhhh ok. Why it’s so damn hard to get a 1lp red ring. Either that or one with dex lol
next gale
does increasing the level of falconry also increase the damage the other falcon related skills? (dive bomb for instance)
cobalt mantle
does increasing the level of falconry also increase the damage the other falcon ...
Skill level doesn't do anything on its own, but getting damage in falconry does affect all damage the falcon does, which includes dive bomb, etc.
graceful notch
atomic vapor
I've been hunting for that enchant for a month now on ornates. Got a t7 twice and it added a second stat
Pretty disgustingly low chances on those
graceful notch
I only play Ballista, even though I have quite a few OP items for other builds
atomic vapor
The enchants are about a million times harder to get than the bases
That t7 crit allows me to swap out of an idol I don't want to use and get 6% more pen
But the game hates me
surreal birch
Can I get some advice on my build please? Should be standard umbral falconer. I can do 1k corruption OK and have been trying uber aberoth, but my dps tehre seems super low. Some people have told me my gear should be more than though, but I've also seen multiple videos with people in seemingly less gear having very short kill times. One person was telling me I should have him 80%/50% shield by the end ot the first cicle. Best case I've had is getting him to around 90%. With current planner setup I get him to about 95% then. It actually went backwards when I changed a few skill points around according to a build somebody showed me as their preerred uber build (I added the bleed basically). https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/visserau/character/visser
Obviously I need to work on mechanics but that's fine, my issue right now is probably having less DPS than I should (but no idea why). I know I can get a few more dex slots but I've had the worst luck on slams and also want to not get 1 shot mapping
sharp ravenBOT
surreal birch
This is the build I was suggested, there is a video of this gear having a 1 min kill time. However he is using minion damage % a lot which I have been told until now is quite bad? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOgLLnJB
sharp ravenBOT
woeful ether
This is the build I was suggested, there is a video of this gear having a 1 min ...
fairly low effort gear
#🔪┃rogue message
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9rqy8bB
sharp ravenBOT
woeful ether
i have been meanig to try some less levels and talons over daggers but for now that build is relatively average vs some other planners that you can see
you're 2 dex off 160
max smoke blades in smoke bomb
you don't have dive bomb nodes in your passive tree (tactician) but skills are dive bomb focused
wait you take the large umbral but aren't going dusk shrouds. need to pick between dive bomb or umbral. midnight avery is not very good on umbral. max out flock of crows
get idol for damage per dusk shroud not damage with shadows
surreal birch
Hmm guess those points got dropped whilst I was swapping gear, I've had smoke blades maxed 99% of the time for sure. [I just checked in game, they were there - hopefully it updates.] Can you explain what you mean picking one o the other? They are both core to the build with all the cdr stuff
I do have the dmg per dusk shroud idol - can only it one idol that size pre uber relic. (I know I do have one with the shadow attack afix on it but only cause that's my best dodge/hp idol to fit in that slot, not trying to build for that)
I realised after i posted this I had somehow orgot about passives entirely in the last few days of being stuck on this. So yeah I can look at that but I did copy them from a proper build initially (maxroll or somebody I replaced that with). Any specific changes for that? You mention dive bomb but so far I've heard minion damage is supposed to be bad? Or is the choice you were talking about above the choice of bufing throwing vs minion damage?
Looking through passives main diff I see is I spend some points to get crit avoid capped
atomic vapor
Hello
woeful ether
Hmm guess those points got dropped whilst I was swapping gear, I've had smoke bl...
umbral build most damage is through scaling the actual umbrals thrown by falcon through aa and dusk shroud % scaling. minion dmg is not useful and neither are the lingering umbrals bc you spec the large 1 umbral node and the explosions also do most of the dmg.
dive bomb build is scaling the actual dmg of dive bomb hits which are falcon hits themselves. it scales through shared dmg and umbrals are only there to stick in the ground for the crit multi node on dive bomb.
obviously both builds take advantage of the same skills as you mentioned for the cdr reasons (well dive bomb builds can ignore umbral points entirely if preferred) but have different methods of dealing dmg/scaling
hey george
woeful ether
I realised after i posted this I had somehow orgot about passives entirely in th...
if you look at the planner i linked that is the direct build imported after that uber kill
atomic vapor
heyhey
woeful ether
i did uber on worse gear and that planner isn't even significantly better than when i first did it so once you fix your tree to basically be that, all that's left is unfortunately skill issues
atomic vapor
For Uber specifically something I found works great if you have shred slammed nowhere on your gear is the 4 shred points on bd. You maintain a consistent 160 shred stacks which is exactly where diminishing returns hits according to tunk
woeful ether
for talons i think best is shred on quiver
or just single dagger can also do if you don't want to change tree
atomic vapor
Yes I think one shred slam is 100% worth it (I just haven't had such luck to test it yet)
surreal birch
I do have a shred on gloves, and a few nodes (but not massive investment)
atomic vapor
But if you haven't, don't go in uncapped you lose a lot of damage. I find 4 points a great investment to shred cap just for uber
woeful ether
there def are some fight tips so you can maintain shred on uber
if you're commited to doing it at lower gear
atomic vapor
Another thing that's not talked about is, as you walk out during timeshattering slam, keep casting AA and divebomb right on top of aberroth. Never stop casting
You will go back in with very respectable shroud stacks
woeful ether
i think you can also just feet cast it at the harby spawn location since he usually charges there
but yeah optimal is casting on him
surreal birch
i did uber on worse gear and that planner isn't even significantly better than w...
Yeah I'm fully willing to deal with skill/mechanics issues but that is not my current question which is solely focused on people telling me I only have about 25% of the damage I need. Specifcally getting him down to max 90% before the end of the first cicle as a benchmark). Them saying I need to be WAY further in to be able to handle later in the fight
woeful ether
i'm pretty sure like half my fights are feet casting (the lower clear times ones hah) bc of controller targetting
surreal birch
So what health/shields would you have him at that point?
atomic vapor
I've found that it's almost never worth to cast it anywhere other than aberroth himself because your stacks take a steep dive after harby dies if casted outside of aberroth
What I do is face my back towards 1st harby so that she charges onto me and she instadies
woeful ether
Yeah I'm fully willing to deal with skill/mechanics issues but that is not my cu...
no i understand. do you have a vid to show your fight btw?
i think my FIRST attempts definitely had shield issues until i just got better/switched to daggers over talons. then i could way more reliably hit the initial 76? or whatever harby spawn before slam
woeful ether
I've found that it's almost never worth to cast it anywhere other than aberroth ...
well yeah i just thought i'd mention a controller pov :^)
atomic vapor
well yeah i just thought i'd mention a controller pov :^)
Oh controller 😔 yep that's definitely a setup that's gonna require workarounds
surreal birch
I'm not even getting CLOSE to spawning th4e shield though. A few times I've lived that long but that's like 4-5 slams in
woeful ether
it's significantly more optimal to mkb target but i just wanted to state it's def not crazy bad if you are unable to do so
woeful ether
let me finish eating lunch and i'll see if i can do some talons testing
i will reiterate i had a lot more trouble on uber while using talon vs double dagger
atomic vapor
I don't know what the fastest bow kills are currently but the only one I've seen faster than mine is meru's at around 20 seconds but meru's gear is unreal
woeful ether
somehow switching to daggers just did a lot more dmg upfront
atomic vapor
I'm obviously not counting oneshot builds
woeful ether
talons felt like it was very inconsistent to get the first shield pop before/during slam
but dagger was like almost always
🤷
surreal birch
umbral build most damage is through scaling the actual umbrals thrown by falcon ...
About this yeah I was thinking about it before you replied and the distinction between the two builds was clicking, thanks for clarifying. When you say "large umbra node" do you mean sword thrower? Am I supposed to be taking the nodes to the left of that down the tree as well? I previously had them until I respecced for bleed earlier today. Before that as well I also had the 2 explosive nodes a long time ago, but I swapped gear (lost +skill) and couldn't keep them. Are those explosive nodes important for dps?
atomic vapor
They just carry unreal stats. 65 multi implicits and being able to slam both multi and pen on both
woeful ether
i'm unsure if i even had 1 lp slammed daggers when i did my first uber haha
might've just been base
surreal birch
I do have empty 1lp daggers but only +1 skills unfortunately. No daggers to slam into them. Will consider the swap
Also re video no I don't, and for some reason the windows game recorder wouldn't work yesterday
woeful ether
About this yeah I was thinking about it before you replied and the distinction b...
i think at least boss/uber dmg wise, loathing nodes aren't more dmg. but burst of agony is.
atomic vapor
If you go one round of dagger prophecies (double quantity/charges and dagger lenses) for around 500k favor you will fill up an entire inventory of daggers
woeful ether
when i was doing some testing and wrote in excel dmg numbers half my dmg per burst round was from the explosion shards
atomic vapor
I've been doing it all week for a 4lp dagger, I've filled entire stash tabs of them
Highly recommend dagger prophecies
surreal birch
OK I have 2 free points I can spec those back in
woeful ether
this game really needs a way better way to figure out dps 😠
surreal birch
Also is coldsnap strike of any value at all? Can i just steal its point?
woeful ether
you don't need the bleed
surreal birch
Yeah the bleed is what I was doing trying to copy what somebody linked me without understanding blades vs dive bomb build
I need to undo that now
woeful ether
i think you can leave the cold node since you use ucenui but imo the larger switch are the other points
if you swap idols it's not that much dmg increase even with uncei
since dusk shrouds give so much
atomic vapor
I'm gonna make a "definitive" planner and link it here because people keep clicking my planner and dming me "why do you have that passive" because I keep changing skills around for mapping
woeful ether
you should just link mine bc it's 1 lp slams :D
atomic vapor
I'm not gonna link mine. I'm gonna make one with "perfect stats" so that people know what to slam at any given point
woeful ether
i've been meaning to try some worse gear, level 90 (leave points unallocated) stuff but been playing poe
ohhh i see
i jsut think mine is funny bc of the endurance red ring. it's not even double dex >.>
basically 0 lp red ring
surreal birch
Should I drop exang strike from falconry as well? (Only took that today for testing)
atomic vapor
I have the end blessing because my lirakas rolled 6
(':
Oh foxy did you see my new belt ❤️
woeful ether
Should I drop exang strike from falconry as well? (Only took that today for test...
yeah i actually take red wings for shrouds but the dmg does nothing
what belt?
atomic vapor
I slammed a 4lp jungle it's in the item showcase
woeful ether
i've been away bc of poe league but i literally keep thinking of playing more le D:
atomic vapor
Took me a week
woeful ether
holy
woeful ether
when are you gonna farm 2lp red rings
feeling like that's basically your last goal after helm/body
atomic vapor
Yeah there's nothing else to farm. I was gonna go for a double t7 null but... Dex is just a little more increased %
So I'm gonna try to at least get a 2lp red ring for more throw
woeful ether
do you finally have more res to get null value
woeful ether
pog
atomic vapor
Swapped to 20 all res blessing
woeful ether
finally not just barely overcap hah
woeful ether
i think at least 10% dr from it is nice. but so many people don't even have 90 res 😭
err i think 100 res looks good at least on the sheet
atomic vapor
The feeling of keeping a triple t7 belt for an entire week waiting patiently is the most excruciating thing
woeful ether
wild
surreal birch
yeah i actually take red wings for shrouds but the dmg does nothing
Should I be taking ANY points in midnight aivery at all? Or just ones left over?
woeful ether
you would've been so sad if it were min roll haha
atomic vapor
Got someone on global being like why no hybrid hp I'm like bro I've been wanting to make null the meta body armor all season leave me alone 😭
woeful ether
Should I be taking ANY points in midnight aivery at all? Or just ones left over?
i only put leftover points in it if i have
atomic vapor
you would've been so sad if it were min roll haha
Imprinted a perfect 3lp mwehehe
woeful ether
no i like the crit avoid
when i was looking at building a bee build isn't it like t7 crit avoid and tree = full crit reduction?
atomic vapor
I've decided it's the best piece for it. It wastes me one passive point because it didn't roll 70 but I'll live. Not gonna stress over tiny minmaxing
surreal birch
Is it worth leaving them off and taking some points of rapid persuit for smoke bomb cdr?
atomic vapor
when i was looking at building a bee build isn't it like t7 crit avoid and tree ...
It's been my goal for so. freaking. long
woeful ether
Is it worth leaving them off and taking some points of rapid persuit for smoke b...
you only get 2 bombs anyway so cdr i'm pretty sure isn't too useful?
atomic vapor
The cdr on bomb doesn't work for me
surreal birch
Huh? can only cast it once, but I figurte getting it back sooner is good defensivly
atomic vapor
I maxed it out, does nothing
surreal birch
That sucks
atomic vapor
Looks like a bug maybe I don't know
I think the game isn't realizing you change smoke bomb to traversal
(as with half falconer skills being broken)
With all 3 points in it I should be getting at least one singular smoke blade stack because the total cdr is big
But nope
woeful ether
honestly i don't think it matters with smoke bomb duration and cloud gatherer
woeful ether
am i dumb for saying you only get 2 smoke bombs
i thought liek you can't actually get buffs from 3 or something
atomic vapor
I'm not even sure tbh. Maybe the stacks expire too fast
woeful ether
i've tried testing it and have only seen it hit 8 max
atomic vapor
I tried disabling the traversal for uber
And I can't get back in fast enough for dusk shroud stacks not to drop
woeful ether
i'm rpetty sure my first kill was with no traversal
but yeah for sure when it's on farm you want to be flipping into uber
atomic vapor
Right now with my gear I'm getting a consistent 25 seconds which I didn't manage to do when I dropped the traversal
woeful ether
one of my problems on the first kill was flipping into either the cold black hole or the giga void/fire burn
literally 1 shot dot me
atomic vapor
😭yeah no surprise that I haven't seen one of those at all lately
woeful ether
haha
atomic vapor
He doesn't manage to cast anything poor guy
atomic vapor
My first good Uber attempt was on a 1lp heartseeker
Went to last phase
Choked the lasers
atomic vapor
There was no room to stand because he was doing the abrorb matter thingy and the safe side was covered in them
And I was playing dragonsong
woeful ether
yeah if i made heartseeker it would not be dragonsong
atomic vapor
If I moved away I wasn't getting health on hit fast enough
woeful ether
melee ranged build isn't it
sharp ravenBOT
atomic vapor
It would be fine if it had reliable silver shroud
surreal birch
Also @foxy the planner you linked earlier that you said was "achievable" - that had shattered world in it. What am I supposed to do without that, just stick with ucenui and the cold idol?
This is my first char so not an achievable drop 😛
woeful ether
looks better to me. btw i think if you can get a new amulet even inheritance of the erased with throw dmg? it would be better. you can get phys res from idols
atomic vapor
Drop the point from rushing wings and midnight aviary
woeful ether
yes, i know that vid has uber drop but i did it without before :^) vid just shows a really clean/fast kill on not stupid gear either
atomic vapor
And get the two points at the top
surreal birch
I'm running it for frailty, I have an ok nihilis with throwing I was using beore I started getting 1 shot
atomic vapor
For 40% smoke bomb duration
surreal birch
yes, i know that vid has uber drop but i did it without before :^) vid just show...
I'm just asking what I should equip instead
atomic vapor
When you get another two from nihilis, drop the final rushing winds point and get the useless traversal skill and the useless bleed skill (yes rushing winds harms you)
woeful ether
ah. it's fine to keep ucenui or just go exalted relic shred, throw dmg, etc
atomic vapor
Wings*
woeful ether
you also don't need 2 points in coordinated fade
surreal birch
I do because my fingers reuire me to have AA in both of my first slots
I know its suboptimal but like I also need to be able to play
atomic vapor
Why not have AA and dive bomb in the first two slots then? You press the same buttons
surreal birch
When you get another two from nihilis, drop the final rushing winds point and ge...
Why does rushing winds harm me? And which duration node are you saying to pick up?
nah I only activate them with a ahk macro trigger
atomic vapor
Why does rushing winds harm me? And which duration node are you saying to pick u...
Because I literally don't know. On paper the shorter delay on dive bomb should be good because the shadow falcons copy it and your main falcon gets interrupted so more immediate shroud stacks. On paper I tested it with 4 points and it literally doesn't get you above 100 shroud stacks. I don't understand it at all, I think it's more falconer jank.
woeful ether
dive bomb resets if interrupted before it goes off but honestly i played a long time with 1 point rushing wings it's totally fine. this is giga minmax
atomic vapor
I was just thinking if we need to squeeze dps out might as well minmax
Also I'd drop all the concentration synergies. Aberroth attacks so slowly that you always have silver shroud for melee attacks so you don't need DR
put them all into more smt
woeful ether
it's dmg
atomic vapor
Dmg*
woeful ether
16% more dmg and the ms scaling from other passiven ode
oh you mean the following ones
atomic vapor
The ms scaling is increased not more.
Yes
You can take the flat throw from bd
Increased from ms is way worse
woeful ether
there's really not much besides the flat throw
atomic vapor
But the bd one is 16 flat throw
It's still 8 more useful points which should go a long way when you can't phase to 1st harby reliably
woeful ether
oh max out raptor's wings
atomic vapor
16 throw is 16 throw
Something else id do is turn brain off, go to normal aberroth and kill him repeatedly until a 1lp nihilis with +2 drops
Then go to your filter add ammy with t7 throw
woeful ether
i would do this if you want more tank/dmg
atomic vapor
Those two combined are give or take 60 throw
atomic vapor
yeah but now it's sadly useless when the falcon stats don't matter. +2 to skills solve so many problems
(and the all res is good for maps)
woeful ether
ms best stat
atomic vapor
That middle point in the avoidance node I have 7/7 now ;P
surreal birch
Then go to your filter add ammy with t7 throw
I already have this so I can just swap back to it
atomic vapor
The price I have to pay for null
woeful ether
well yeah you wanted to max it but if you aren't maxed it's pretty worse :P but personal pref i suppose
surreal birch
As I said I just was kinda desperate to not get 1 shot a while ago so I went frailty
atomic vapor
As I said I just was kinda desperate to not get 1 shot a while ago so I went fra...
You aren't meant to tank anything from aberroth if you're speccing into pushing through phases. Silver shroud is enough to keep you safe from melee attacks, and you just evade out of the black holes and the black stuff on the ground from the balls if you're bad at dodging those
Evade right through him during triple flail and meteors(both red and blue meteors)
Evade through him during the green projectiles
And try not to get hit by lasers because his frailty stacks to infinity because he's a special boy
surreal birch
Green do you mean the ones at the start of next phase?
woeful ether
the rooting ones?
surreal birch
Yeah I suppose you are right railty doesn't help me here, I meant I was using it for mapping and having to refix skills every time I swapped was driving me INSANE so I just didn't
atomic vapor
You can avoid most of the roots by staying at the top side of the stage because the roots start to happen at the bottom half
woeful ether
if you're still getting 1 shot with fraility you don't need it xd
surreal birch
i would do this if you want more tank/dmg
I like those changes, only issue is I'm a bit under crit avoid cap
atomic vapor
Keep in mind Mike said the black balls aren't his skill but the arena's so frailty will do nothing for those and the stuff they leave on the ground
And most likely the lasers from the center as well if I had to guess
woeful ether
i could tank the void black balls and the degens with the life on hit
it was always combo of the degen tick + something else that would kill me
atomic vapor
I just think that's a bad play if you're struggling for damage. The frailty on you goes well beyond 3 stacks
You stay in one you are looking at 10 or so
And they're multiplicative
woeful ether
yeah just stating. that was always desperation last phase while learning haha
when he regens and you're on your first uber kill you kinda go DIE ALREADY PLEASE
atomic vapor
Actually for falc that's not a bad thing at all because you still gain shroud stacks while he "is immune"
So that allows for one final big hit to push to the shield when he's damageable
atomic vapor
When I did my first sub 30 kill I lost it when the bar instantly deleted after he went to the final phase, it was then that I realized the stacks don't drop because you're still hitting the target
Pretty broken tbh but that's on brand with the falconer anyway
woeful ether
huh what the heck was i doing last time i played
yeah the quick kills are always never let go of buttons
atomic vapor
And I find them more reliable than any macro personally lol
If there's one thing this game does right, that's frame perfect skill queuing
woeful ether
i love the controller skill queuing
best comfort and cozy
between that and the seamless kbm/controller swap
so goated you can just click when you need to
atomic vapor
Had an argument on global there was some dude all like "falc is piano rotation" and I'm like... No? You hold down 2 skills 😭
So bro goes alright imma look ur character up
Then goes "bro had 200 dex ofc you won't find it hard how does that translate for new players"
woeful ether
oh yeah you gotta keep spreading the dont press falcon word
atomic vapor
I'm like... You can do the same thing with yellow gear...?
How does 200 dex affect skill queueing my brother in christ 😭
It was hilarious
woeful ether
yeah that's silly. literally jsut show controller falconer gameplay...
atomic vapor
juse did a lot of damage to the minds of the average players by popularizing an ahk macro. It gives the false impression that falconer needs any skill to do the rotation
Meanwhile I'm holding down q and w while watching youtube vide
Vids*
woeful ether
tbf holding down buttons isn't necessarily comfortable ffor long periods of time
but i'm not sure it's easier to make a macro/program say "toggle key press" vs just spamming them?
woeful ether
i highly suggest controller :^)
sharp ravenBOT
atomic vapor
It's moreso that calling it a "piano rotation" gives the impression that that person just throws terms around they don't understand
woeful ether
yeah that's fair
surreal birch
I am wondering if I should swap gloves to dex (losing shred) or maybe dex chest (losing 37% hp) to get over the next dex incriment?
2 short
woeful ether
can get the dex from helm, chest, or relic
atomic vapor
Imo swap to max throw from the passive tree+ammy and try Uber again before doing anything else
I'm confident that should be enough to push phase 1 fast
woeful ether
yeah try again first
quivers pretty useless
the slow and % more dmg against slow base is better
think the only real affixes are dex and shred? idr anything else
atomic vapor
Yeah there's nothing else
But 10% more is good
The best quiver would be dex, increased phys/cold, shred and idk a res
surreal birch
Yeah I've been looking for that quiver recently
OK tried again and got 80/100 at the end of first cicle
Which is deinitely a good chunk ahead of where I was
surreal birch
Died a bit later due to misclick but that's whatever
woeful ether
progress!
atomic vapor
Oh right that's something that rolls on quiver. Increased crit. That actually might be good because personally I need one crit idol to crit cap with 13% on dagger and shattered worlds (my peak is 275%/290%)
And you can only get 10% on bow right
woeful ether
yep
atomic vapor
So you'd need increased crit way more
surreal birch
I was previously using quiver to cap crit, but I'm capped without it
And a long time ago I was using it as a major source of dodge
atomic vapor
Do you have the increased crit blessing
surreal birch
Crit multi? yes
atomic vapor
You have crit multi there and you're crit capped??
surreal birch
Yes blessing + bow and a little on idols
atomic vapor
And 60% on ucenui
That makes way more sense
I was like whaaa what sorcery is this
woeful ether
i just swapped a bunch of stuff and still near crit cap lol
atomic vapor
How come you're still staying cold?
atomic vapor
I'll be completely honest I think I had a better one before I did all the harbingers 😭
surreal birch
Killed him! First time after I phased him
woeful ether
🎊
surreal birch
Dropped 2X relics!
surreal birch
Thanks
And thanks for all the help
I legit don't know how changing that few points made such a huge diference :/
atomic vapor
did we get a relic with good flat crit
surreal birch
Let me see
atomic vapor
I legit don't know how changing that few points made such a huge diference :/
That's what we've been doing all season
we call it nolifing
woeful ether
oof
atomic vapor
Well, good thing is now you can farm the boss so try to get a decently rolled one
I suggest throw over dex slam
surreal birch
So do I drop the cold build once I do get it with the slam?
atomic vapor
Keep all of your relics btw don't throw any of them. All the 0lps get nemesis, all the 1lps you use to reroll a 1lp into good stats, same with all the nemesis ones that got a stat instead of lp
And yes
And you also drop throne and get another shroud ornate
surreal birch
Yeah I understand how that works
surreal birch
And you also drop throne and get another shroud ornate
Yeah I got em waiting
atomic vapor
Okay perfect just checking
atomic vapor
I was debating farming 3lp razors for movement speed but I'll be honest
I can't be bothered to grind that hard for something like that over something more meaningful like 2lp red rings
surreal birch
Trying to get 2 lp roost and razor nearly killed me and I never even did get past 1lp razor
surreal birch
My very first RR got 2 lp from nem 😮
And then ater farming for weeks to put something in it (which made me hate the game) it slammed meh anyway
woeful ether
alright time to see how shit gear we can go
atomic vapor
It's the only meaningful upgrade for me rn. But I'm sure even if I get one I'll miss the throw slam
Not that I particularly care mid season
I've got 1-2 months left
We'll see how further I can minmax
surreal birch
Um I've been getting insta gibbed by a tick of that the whole time
lol
Well i I do swap to shattered relic, I lose 73% crit from relic so time to pick it back up on quiver I guess
Actually it gives me 4 flat crit so I actually got to 111% swapping
surreal birch
Yeah I know that about flat dam
I just forgot it was on the relic, I've never really looked cause it felt too out of reach 😛
The one that rolled 5% crit also rolled 10% dr..
atomic vapor
if you plan to play season 3 I highly recommend doing a lot of Uber now for practice and learning the mechanics, so that in season 3 you are experienced enough to outskill it regardless of what you end up playing
Bossfight experience is invaluable
Those items will never feel out of reach again
woeful ether
i feel talons on crap gear is way worse than daggers
maybe i've also been too lazy to switch more stuff over
surreal birch
People told me that daggers was harder to gear?
But I didn't know daggers existed when I started playing
woeful ether
i actually had a decent near kill but didn't record it lol
surreal birch
I played a weird custom flurry build till about 200c cause I was avoiding guides on purpose
atomic vapor
daggers harder to gear? I wonder who thinks that
woeful ether
i'm rpetty sure i literally just dual dagger equippedd and it was better
surreal birch
Which stats is priority for dagger? Crit multi and pen? I see people also doing flat damage but is that for DB build maybe?
atomic vapor
only crit multi and pen, nothing else
woeful ether
i ran 1 lp crit multi slams for the longest time (still am)
atomic vapor
If you manage to get 3lp get increased phys or shred
surreal birch
I've legit seen people 2lp slam flat damage in both hands
Which has puzzled me a lot
woeful ether
dive bomb build
atomic vapor
Dive bomb still does incredibly broken damage by all regards and its probably absolutely bonkers with the +1 shadows gloves
But I don't think it matches how game breaking umbrals is
surreal birch
If I did go DB then would I be able to run around without needing to cast AA as much?
Cause I don't enjoy how you gotta pause to cast
atomic vapor
Nope. Same thing
woeful ether
db is the auto skill. aa has the cast
atomic vapor
You want exactly as many dive bomb casts as you need with umbrals because in one case more dive bombs = more dusk shroud and in the other more dive bombs = more hits
woeful ether
oh that's what ayou asked i'm dumb
atomic vapor
So you'll be having the little stagger no matter what you do
surreal birch
Yeah I just figure with a DB build if I was out of range/not attacking for a sec to do mechs or whatever I'd lose less dps?
Because my core dps still in that case is still instant cast
I'm not having to worry about freezing myself in a beam/puddle
atomic vapor
No It's the other way around. If your dive bomb uptime drops for a bit for umbrals, you lose a few stacks. But if dive bomb is your main damage skills and they don't find the target, you literally do 0 damage during that time
Skill*
surreal birch
Well currently I lose AAs when I'm focusing on living (if I need to be moving/dodging)
My DB never stops going off cause its macro held down
atomic vapor
be a gigachad and unspec it 🙏
surreal birch
Btw does he gain difficulty if I put his echo down on a higher than 500 corruption timeline?
Or is he fixed
atomic vapor
Some of the best game design if you ask me
woeful ether
gdi
surreal birch
Reading is good apparently
woeful ether
i'm getting decent kills with talons but also messing up at <20
atomic vapor
Did the maxroll guide get updated yet btw or is it still in that embarrassing state
I got my answer
woeful ether
sharp ravenBOT
woeful ether
literally was too lazy to swap a ton of stuff lmao
atomic vapor
Yk what's funny
woeful ether
not even capped res
atomic vapor
You have abysmal life, and bad gear and it's still a very comfortable kill. No matter how hard falconer gets nerfed, I bet it will still be one of the best boss killers
woeful ether
"comfortable"
atomic vapor
With good gear ofc but still
keen snow
capped res isn't that important really
atomic vapor
It's comfortable when you've got silver shroud hard carrying your tankiness
surreal birch
After watching various sentinal builds literally facetank and ignore mechs
atomic vapor
Unless they nerf coordinated fate
woeful ether
i think i procced that 1 or 2 times
surreal birch
IDK how you gonna call a calss that fragile the best boss killer :p
woeful ether
i did have the first close run be played really well but this final actual kill still was a bit sloppy
keen snow
well, it's pretty clear that the serpent venom swarmblade is actually the best bosser rn imo
atomic vapor
IDK how you gonna call a calss that fragile the best boss killer :p
I'd have you check my kills but they're not an average player metric
atomic vapor
well, it's pretty clear that the serpent venom swarmblade is actually the best b...
I don't see any oneshot build making it to season 3
keen snow
I don't see any oneshot build making it to season 3
I agree
surreal birch
I'd have you check my kills but they're not an average player metric
I did have the thought that with high quality play, silver shroud would be OP for well timed mech ignores
keen snow
seeing uberroth do his aura arming entrance and while a bunch of tornadoes get cast for setup then he's dead on the first tick on the DOT... well it just makes a mockery of the game really lol
surreal birch
But that reuires skill and calm control :p
keen snow
mana, cooldowns? never heard of her.
that side of falconer will surely get nerfed this time
rather than some stuff with trap mana costs etc.
atomic vapor
seeing uberroth do his aura arming entrance and while a bunch of tornadoes get c...
What I'm saying is, falconer killing it in almost 20 seconds isn't that far behind and since both things will be getting nerfed, unless acolyte gets giga buffed, I can easily see falconer being near the top yet again. After all it is EHG's love child
woeful ether
https://youtu.be/rsP5ezYt9pA here's the kill
woeful ether
keen snow
the maxroll guys have made this point a lot but there's a false perception that ES builds are dealing comparable damage to storm crows, falconer, serpent venom etc when it isn't even close
keen snow
classic 179 dex too
nice round number 🙂
atomic vapor
I feel like people have clung onto the popularity of the build on launch and still think the damage is anywhere near comparable
To be fair erasing strike would be doing way more dps if it had 100% uptime with maximum attack speed
Right now it's 100% with what, 2200 mana?
atomic vapor
classic 179 dex too
"I'm gonna try this with bad gear"
Casual 180 dex
The bad gear at home=
woeful ether
HEY it's like all dex slams
keen snow
yeah ES gets to cheat a lot of mana but it doesn't get falconer levels of uptime on skills that otherwise seem intended to be combo/cooldown/mana constrained
woeful ether
i mean if you count that a bunch of my legs were high dex rolls, it's "closer" to 160 :D
falconer uptime seems like a dot build in terms of uptime but.. not
atomic vapor
You cannot drop below 95% mana on falconer currently. At all. The two points in dive bomb make it completely self sustainable
The mana bar doesn't even move on the dummy
keen snow
it just looks like ES is cheating so much mana with the way the bar bounces up and down
and compared to eg Shaman, it is getting tons of free mana
woeful ether
okay honestly i think it's more of comfort than daggers being better but also daggers better
atomic vapor
Who was it that had 2400 mana. Meru or Skylr I think
I gotta ask if it has 100% uptime at that mana level
keen snow
how do you even get to 2400?
atomic vapor
Double t7 mana helm, maxrolled idols, mana on gloves, mana% on chest
I think it's just enough to reach 2400
keen snow
is that 12 mana 5% regen 1x1 idols?
atomic vapor
Yes with mana on the second stat too. Health/mana
keen snow
and +20health +10 mana suffix I guess
so 20-22 mana per idol, 20 idols. 400-440ish mana from idols
yeah that's quite a lot
atomic vapor
And the funny thing is that at that level of gear, the dps basically skyrockets by what, 30% up? Because if you completely close the gap from the downtime the echoed erasing strikes start piling up
surreal birch
Dammit, I nearly 1 shot a 2nd kill but now i keep dying to random things half way through after close runs
woeful ether
https://youtu.be/KqE3h4bGV9w and here's the traitor swap no other changes besides equipping them and clicking the ability points
wew
surprisingly close times
atomic vapor
https://youtu.be/KqE3h4bGV9w and here's the traitor swap no other changes beside...
How does it feel to actually play the bossfight
woeful ether
took me like 10 or so attempts with talons to remember how to play a few things?
but yeah it gets real familiar and easy
verbal pier
https://youtu.be/KqE3h4bGV9w and here's the traitor swap no other changes beside...
with traitor if u can get all double T7 on equp u can one shot from 64% hp after slams but its like 1/25 tries for me
woeful ether
the 2 biggest ones are the pause for black hole spawn and then looking out for the fire/void dot
woeful ether
with traitor if u can get all double T7 on equp u can one shot from 64% hp after...
yeah peep the gear lmao
woeful ether
ik
atomic vapor
Trust
woeful ether
double yours 😭
atomic vapor
Meru makes my gear look trash
woeful ether
with traitor if u can get all double T7 on equp u can one shot from 64% hp after...
have you done fast talon kills?
verbal pier
keen snow
there's always a few people in these ARPGs whose gear looks like they've got a save editor or something
surreal birch
took me like 10 or so attempts with talons to remember how to play a few things?
I don't get what is diferent about playing it? Surely its just diferent stat sticks?
verbal pier
its when I record but cant record the one shot one after slams because rng position
verbal pier
have you done fast talon kills?
I dont have talon😭😭
woeful ether
I don't get what is diferent about playing it? Surely its just diferent stat sti...
well the traitors are clean uniques not even 1 lp slam
so....
atomic vapor
Wait meru why do we have identical times with your gear. That's exactly where I push it too
surreal birch
But you said you have to play diferently with talons?
surreal birch
Also what determines when he gets 1 shot during the last phase
Vs having to play the mechanics
I thought it was the falcon talent, but it seems inconsistant
woeful ether
wait you can jump through the slam before it disappears?
woeful ether
is that bc of smoke bomb immunity while moving or it doesn't damage after it goes out?
atomic vapor
keen snow
any good flask trap builds?
atomic vapor
Someone was playing a good one a while ago but I don't remember the username
There was a discussion
atomic vapor
is that bc of smoke bomb immunity while moving or it doesn't damage after it goe...
Nope
The animation is longer than the last tick
Lol
woeful ether
But you said you have to play diferently with talons?
imo i had to refamiliarize myself with fight. i think it's easier and more consistent with traitors if you have 1 lp slams to hit the first harby spawn near/during first slam but i don't really have average gear to test that. all my traitors are perfect t7 multi lol
verbal pier
Wait meru why do we have identical times with your gear. That's exactly where I ...
if 64% to 20% its like 25% no matter what happen
woeful ether
i could be wrong but i recall it feeling more consistent for the first slam dmg
verbal pier
but I sometimes got it one shot after 64%
atomic vapor
Wait you can oneshot from 64 to 0 with your gear?
Ok that's something I can't do yet
woeful ether
how does it feel to farm aberroth to get these attempts 😭
atomic vapor
The vid you linked is where I'm at. 64 to last phase. I can't do better right now I need more throw probably
surreal birch
Btw i I do want to play trailtors, I can just literally get those 1lp crit multi slams and not have to care about getting a new quiver?
atomic vapor
how does it feel to farm aberroth to get these attempts 😭
"50 tries later"
verbal pier
sometimes my uber jump and its crazy
verbal pier
The vid you linked is where I'm at. 64 to last phase. I can't do better right no...
with ur uber position I can one shot it
woeful ether
once you kill it you have to farm more though is the funny part
the initial attempts to get it to look good yeah
atomic vapor
with ur uber position I can one shot it
You have 2lp red rings with throw right?
I think that's what I'm missing
verbal pier
on my videos the uber jump, thats will make it take less dmg from explosive
woeful ether
Btw i I do want to play trailtors, I can just literally get those 1lp crit multi...
yeah it's either talon + quiver or dual traitors
verbal pier
You have 2lp red rings with throw right?
noo 1 red ring only
atomic vapor
on my videos the uber jump, thats will make it take less dmg from explosive
Yep I hate that
surreal birch
What I mean is I don't need to change anything else
verbal pier
phantom 2 with throw
surreal birch
Because I'm a bit over farming atm
atomic vapor
Oh right you have the gloves
woeful ether
you need the node to dual wield but that's about all. i actually had it on the talon vid bc i was too lazy to change my passive tree
atomic vapor
Ughhh I need those
verbal pier
I need 4lp traitor:(
woeful ether
whats merus gloves?
atomic vapor
4lp traitor won't really do a lot for your dmg other than flex
woeful ether
perfect shadow ones?
verbal pier
im already at 2600 echoes now just farming for falcon
atomic vapor
Meru has +1 shadow gloves with t6 dex t6 throw
woeful ether
lmao
atomic vapor
im already at 2600 echoes now just farming for falcon
I'm at 4100 and you have better gear 😭
woeful ether
what's funny is the fact that mine have mana is still a slight dps increase
atomic vapor
Time to commit sudoku
atomic vapor
Foxy is right 100% skill issue
woeful ether
wtfffff
verbal pier
do you have a copy of that?
the copy become this one
woeful ether
ahhh
woeful ether
1k corr too?
woeful ether
tin foil hat of slight corruption gain = better loot
verbal pier
woeful ether
the rolls being good are wild too
atomic vapor
Meru is it you that has 2400 mana on ES or skylr
woeful ether
funny how this is the worst you've shown
verbal pier
I just have all ES equip with double and triple T7
verbal pier
just play with friends
woeful ether
sus
verbal pier
and slam slam
atomic vapor
Yep
verbal pier
give it with obsidian if u have
atomic vapor
We do the exact same thing 😭
atomic vapor
Yk what's funny
4man party is literally insane for gear in LE and
99% people don't even realize it
The lfg is just Uber carries
If people just asked to blast together
woeful ether
bc 4x potential loot if you don't play same build?
atomic vapor
You'd have to convince my irl friends to leave the party 😭
woeful ether
triple t7 george throws on floor "not an upgrade for me"
verbal pier
U can get unlimited double or triple T7
atomic vapor
Yeeeah... Until recently
😭😭
I keep converting all of my irl friends it's like a cult
verbal pier
the hardest one is getting double T7 on nihilis good roll and shattered
atomic vapor
One does and he has all my old gear. Killed Uber in 4 days
verbal pier
- glove if u play falconer +1 shadow
woeful ether
nihilis has too many rolls to care about
atomic vapor
the hardest one is getting double T7 on nihilis good roll and shattered
I bricked a near perfect nihilis, I had t7 throw and pen
I wanted to quit the season
verbal pier
I bricked a near perfect nihilis, I had t7 throw and pen
yeah I saw it u post like best nihilis
but dunno if u failed it
verbal pier
I wonder what will happen to falconer S3
keen snow
keep the cooldown reduction, nerf the mana
atomic vapor
surprisingly I don't care what happens in general. I'm just gonna blast with whatever's good and chill.
woeful ether
heartseeker pivot
keen snow
isn't heartseeker like zdps compared to even stuff like hail of arrows?
woeful ether
all i know is people said it feels good af
atomic vapor
heartseeker needs aeonwcs' gear to not be food for high corruption
woeful ether
but uberwise yeah zdps prob
atomic vapor
Just get 4500 health on heartseeker ez
woeful ether
is that hs min maxer
atomic vapor
Yeah
woeful ether
i'm saying it'ss above meru hah
atomic vapor
Meru should have the same gear when 4lp dagger is secured
That's the difference. The 4lp bow
sage halo
Salutations. I am curious if anyone believes that this would be able to take out Uber Abboroth. www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPDdpqYo
sharp ravenBOT
verbal pier
4 LP dagger hard to get I dont care if its +1 or +2 level dex as long as its 50%++ its good
but already 4m fav not even 1 become 4 LP turtle and prop
atomic vapor
Btw Meru why do you have the dagger inheritance node I was looking at your planner the other day
verbal pier
it doesnt important nodes, just dunno where to spent again
and it help a lil bit dmg for feather fall
for farming
atomic vapor
how about put it on shred until the 4lp dagger slam
Tunk shows 160stacks until diminishing returns
verbal pier
I swap my idol with shred effect