🔪┃rogue

[atomic vapor]

and that's not gonna happen with the champion gloves

[woeful ether]

removal roulette

[atomic vapor]

I'm currently missing flat throw from belt, t7 dex on chest and t7 dex on helm

I also have two 2lp nihilis I could get throw + phys pen in

if I manage to get everything I can get till season 3

I can theoretically push all 4 phases past the initial slam

(I think)

if that happens I'm looking at a 15-20 second kill

[thin quartz]

you are still very early in heartseeker. change to cold, discard fire.
fire hs is a noob trap.
farm age of winter timeline boss to get Reign of Winter bow.
Belt = brewmaster, its a woven echo.
Exalted rings / glove is fine, as long as they have the correct stats.
Ring = prefix: dex + cold damage / suffix res + res
Glove = prefix: dex / suffix: hybrid health + res

priority stats:
dex > crit multi > attack speed > cold pen > increased cold damage

[woeful ether]

is legacy the same as season?

[atomic vapor]

yeah but I wanna push season 3

don't wanna keep playing this while everyone rolls a new char

[woeful ether]

yeah that's fair. just wondering if you could keep minmaxing

technically you could just make a new legacy char and it would effectively be the same as rolling a new season char then?

[atomic vapor]

theoretically yeah but I think I'm just being greedy at this point

27 seconds is already nuts

[woeful ether]

have you tried just going flat throwing on pieces instead of dex

[foggy rapids]

Thanks. I have the belt but I was looking for health+%health to drop before I went to Sanctum. The others I'll set up filter and going hunting

[atomic vapor]

only place i can do that is rings

I can make 2 penumbras I guess

are 2lp common for dex+throw

[woeful ether]

i guess there's also a difference of just pushing uberroth kills and actually getting your char together without swaps

[atomic vapor]

I don't really "need" a lot of swaps. so for example if i made penumbras

[thin quartz]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/aeonwcs/character/aeonwcs
my gear is super min maxed. you dont have to go toe to toe for it.
but the important stats ive included up top so you can reference my character if you need

[atomic vapor]

for maps id go back to red rings + brew belt

barely any swap

I'm currently being hardwalled by my stupid helm

I must've bricked 100 double t7s

I can't get the stats I want

[woeful ether]

wouldn't oceareon be more damage

guess you could do 1 oceareon and 1 penumbra if 2 don't apply the shock more damage

[atomic vapor]

I don't know, I haven't given it serious thought

well

I do have a 3lp static shell LOL

[woeful ether]

i'm just scrolling through unique rings 🤷

[atomic vapor]

don't give me ideas

in a perfect world I'd have a 3lp core of the mountain

but nope

I also considered making a chest with dex + dive bomb

and drop 4 hard points into midnight aviary

the true hybrid lol

[woeful ether]

hey i mean it would be 48% more damage

[atomic vapor]

I just find it silly how stupid all these giga minmax ideas sound

is 2lp oceareon even common btw

[woeful ether]

seems doable

[foggy rapids]

Thanks. I've ben planning a switch to cold with RoW but not quite there yet. Those are some affixes - all CoF too. I assume via lots of prophecies. How long did it take to get all those ? Do you have a filter I can look at to make sure I've set things up properly as well ?

[woeful ether]

you don't have to do specific damage for an ailment right? guess i can test that

thought they fixed le-52 error :(

[atomic vapor]

verify files

it autofixes

also no it's on hit

[woeful ether]

i honestly might have some 2lp ones from my red ring search

[atomic vapor]

normal human beings push to a reasonable amount, then swap to red ring imprints

not me

[woeful ether]

static shell wouldn't work btw since we don't do lightning damage

it's phys/fire

[thin quartz]

i got decent gear by the 4th week of season launch. im still grinding just to min max whatever i can. so time taken might be... long.

CoF because exalted drops more. this is the season for CoF, not MG. MG is trash for me when i want to min max. if you want to just get few pieces then to kill things and quit. MG is the one for you.

[atomic vapor]

yes I realized that after sadly

but

I was considering

can sacrifice one stat on a dagger

for chance to shock

[woeful ether]

i doubt you need more chance to shock than wha'ts already on oceanerons

[atomic vapor]

maybe idk, not like I ever tested it

[woeful ether]

i'm going to dummy now haha

[foggy rapids]

I'm running CoF. I enjoy it more, plus MF is easily exploitable as shown by the prcies in gold people want for things. It's crazy

[thin quartz]

good lad. CoF is the way too go.

[atomic vapor]

I expected nothing less ;P

[woeful ether]

yeah.... you don't need more chance to shock. ring is enough

since you hit so often

[thin quartz]

as for chest piece. Core of the mountain / Wall of nothing, or any decent based exalted chest with +4 heartseeker node is good enough.
My ideal chest is +4 hs / dex/ health% all triple T7. but since i already failed once and lp3 null potent is hard to get so.... yeah

[atomic vapor]

very nice

[woeful ether]

tried to get the worst rolls too

if you get max less damage it's almost half a red ring in dr too lol

[atomic vapor]

nowhere near close to an issue

I'm already spamming ring prophecies for other reasons so if one with lp drops why not

[woeful ether]

this is some giga brain tech

[atomic vapor]

how did I only loot one all season

[woeful ether]

oh AND it gives flat mana so works with coordinated assault if you hit a new multiple of 10

[thin quartz]

@foggy rapids last but not least, your idol, get rid of all those rubbish that you have.
stick with 2x1 or 1x1 only.
Cold res + Health %
Health % + ele res
Vit + Phy res

[foggy rapids]

Core of the Mountain is via Lightless Arbor. Wall is via the Harby in Fall of Empire or Aberroth. I can do the dungeon and the Harby and see what drops while running prophecies as well for the exalted to use in Sanctum. This gives me a bit more to chew on. The grind was starting to get a bit rough trying to follow the maxrill guide too much

[atomic vapor]

oh btw did I show you I finally reasonably maxrolled my idols

[thin quartz]

either is unique chest is fine but the key thing is +Heartseeker affix. need to slam it.

[atomic vapor]

obviously crap enchants

I got greedy and ruined a t6 cdr

[thin quartz]

start by slamming T6 to gain the power boost. then work your way to get T7, then double T7 etc etc.
from unique to slammed unique with t6 affix that you need is huge power boost.
from slammed T6 to T7 unique power boost is not as great as the first. remember this.
@foggy rapids

[woeful ether]

very nice. i want to reroll this bc the melee stufff looks so ugly but i can't

[atomic vapor]

I haven't rolled a single t8 ):

I did so. many. cemeteries

[woeful ether]

also "reasonable" max rolled, all are maxed lmao

[atomic vapor]

I cut off the humble by accident

it's 11/12 ele res

lol

sorry the stout

[foggy rapids]

I have these two exalts to use on a chest when one drops

[atomic vapor]

stonks though

[woeful ether]

do you even get any null portent value?

[atomic vapor]

absolutely none

I simply have no other chest to slam

and

phys res and health is really nice

[thin quartz]

that's nice. i'll say core of the mountain is better.
are you online now?
if you are, i'll get you the chest piece.
2 players running lightless is much faster and i can just gift you extra core + peak.

[atomic vapor]

I could make use of it if theoretically

I swapped to 20 all res blessing

and got a triple t7 helm

throw dex crit avoid

but good luck LOL

[vernal zealot]

This is why i think nulls is kinda deadge outside of the hp

[foggy rapids]

No unfortuantely. I may be on a bit later. I'll ping you when I'm on here again.

[woeful ether]

could run wall of nothing

[atomic vapor]

I want core

[woeful ether]

yeah, you farm mountain dungeon with your friend right

[vernal zealot]

Honestly what about titans heart unironically

[atomic vapor]

yes and none have dropped

[vernal zealot]

We dont regen anyway

[atomic vapor]

no that's a lie

I got a 2lp with 4 to all attributes

I swear this game hates me

[vernal zealot]

And its 10% extra life

[thin quartz]

not sure if i'll still be up, but @ me. if i reply i'll help you get the chest.

[foggy rapids]

If not today then maybe tomorrow

[thin quartz]

null is only better if you can get the res like me.

[thin quartz]

yeah no worries, @ me.

[vernal zealot]

The last falconer destroying the servers what did you expect

[atomic vapor]

balanced, as all things should be

I just like complaining tbh that's all

I get 3lp lirakas, game is good

Helm refuses to proc, game is bad

[vernal zealot]

Complaining=instant helmet rng

[crimson latch]

i wish HS could be Tier S :v

[inner stone]

out of curiosity - is rogue sort of the "play at range less tanky" class by default?

[thin quartz]

what do you include in Tier S?

[verbal pier]

getting double exalt with +1 shadow sealed harder than getting lirakas😭

[atomic vapor]

That's what I've been saying 😭😭😭

It's also harder than getting triple t7 gloves apparently because I have those and not a single exalt +1 shadows lool

[verbal pier]

I want to get double T7 dex + throw on shadow glove but yeah need some miracle to get it hahaha

[devout heron]

Hi, I haven't played my ubral blades falconer since the patch. At the time I built it using maxrolls guide and the single target DPS for bossing felt very underwhelming. Is there a go to build nowadays that someone could recommend. I've tried bows and daggers and am open to either one. Thanks!

[atomic vapor]

On one hand, if I got something like that I'd lose my shit

On the other, I really wanna find something to slam those 3lp lirakas lol

[atomic vapor]

Maxroll guide is very outdated

[verbal pier]

its the best I got for now

I have 2 ( mirror it )

[atomic vapor]

Maybe I just need to spam my champion maps

I've got like 80

But I really wanna get it on the cdr gloves

In a way, I hope the season gets delayed so that I manage to get the last gear I want 😭

[verbal pier]

do cdr really good? I think its already enough with T7 on belt + shoes

[devout heron]

Are there any other builds that I can search up on youtube or anywhere in place of the maxroll guide to follow?

[atomic vapor]

I guess I just don't care too much about more defense, cdr seems like the strongest implicit

I have this unrealistic expectation that if I get a couple more big gear pieces I will manage a sub-20s uberroth because currently I can't skip the last phase animation

[atomic vapor]

If you're using bow, look at meru's planner. If you're using daggers, look at mine (search for lastepochtools links on this channel)

[verbal pier]

u can one hit uber tho

[atomic vapor]

I can't do it without the shift tech personally

I doubt standard daggers dusk shroud can do it

I don't seem to have the dps

[devout heron]

Ok, thanks. I'll search for those planners

[atomic vapor]

Sure thing if you have questions feel free to ask

[vernal zealot]

Its not just dps, its having one giant hit to skip uberroth phases

[atomic vapor]

Yes I don't think I can smack it for such a high number without the recall multiplier

The build is one multiplier away from oneshotting it seems

[verbal pier]

it cant if without shift, highest I dealt dmg before he slam is 50% + half shield maybe if lucky enough can make it to under 40%

[atomic vapor]

You have throw on belt, maybe that's what I'm missing

I'm gonna work on my belt very soon

If I had unlimited time I would farm double oceareon

Dex throw

But season 3 coming close

[vernal zealot]

Yeah new seazon should be next month right?

[atomic vapor]

I don't expect it to hit right on time obviously

But 2 months isn't enough either

[verbal pier]

I only play like 1-3hrs / day but playing with friends 2-3

[vernal zealot]

3 month cycles is too hard for arpg

[atomic vapor]

Yes same I play with my other two friends too. But still not enough

If I just went for 2 2lp oceareon with double t7 dex throw I bet I'd need at least a month

Considering failed slams

And the fact that I play like 4 hours a day

[atomic vapor]

I expect gearing to be harder in season 3, without trove spam

So it'll need an even longer time

[vernal zealot]

Just think you could be playing blast master 3hrs a day

[atomic vapor]

Unless they introduce something big

I have this small hope that the way they nerd troves will be "make it cost more" which won't affect me because I play in a party

[vernal zealot]

I think woven echoes just go core as is tbh, the mechanic isnt completely over shadowing

[atomic vapor]

But I doubt

[vernal zealot]

And monos needed more stuff to do

[atomic vapor]

Yeah they won't be going away but Mike said on stream he's aware some woven echoes are way too strong for how easy they are

Which if you translate the fine print means we know u spam troves

[vernal zealot]

Not even that "easy" releatively though

[atomic vapor]

I'm all for them being like "beat big boss get loot explosion" instead of chests

But looking at the facts

[vernal zealot]

Its easy because you can technically farm the same amoubt of amber at 100c

[atomic vapor]

The woven boss echoes are useless

[vernal zealot]

Real

You get your brew master

Get your orians belt

[atomic vapor]

Who spams "antipode dragon"

[vernal zealot]

Never look bacj

[atomic vapor]

Idk they need a giga buff

[vernal zealot]

I got baited into placing them champions arenas

Thinking it was mono champions

[atomic vapor]

Champions arenas have a very good use actually

Penumbras

[verbal pier]

do u help each other? I mean like 2 friends helping u imprint + prop and when opening box on trove its 1 by 1 so u can have 3 chance per box with friends

[vernal zealot]

If they procced arena prophs they would be giga

[atomic vapor]

Yes we made a loot filter for all 3, and everyone has multi exalts imprinted and rolls them for everyone to slam

I basically get 3 times the loot otherwise I 10000000% wouldn't have the gear I have

[vernal zealot]

I think thats the main change they should revert tbh

Imprints should only proc on host, its legit the reason they are too "easy"

[atomic vapor]

I think it's balanced in the sense that each person procs their own imprints

Think about it the other way around

Why would I party up with someone if my imprints won't proc

I'd never play with people

They've been working on multiplayer for years it's not in their interest to discourage people playing in parties

I think the lfg channel is heavily underutilized

All it's about rn is uberroth carries

It should be for blast parties

[graceful hare]

If it procs host only, it would kill party play.

[atomic vapor]

In poe1 that used to be the metagame for a long time

Sexants on maps

Aurabot

Blast juiced maps

It's very common

[vernal zealot]

As a personal thing i hate party play in arpgs

Because its always balanced to weight towards party play whenever the topic is brought up

[atomic vapor]

I think it can go from day to night depending on who you blast with. For example if you played with some idiot that went "nah bro nothing dropped for u sry", your experience would obviously suck. If it was someone like me and I dropped a 3lp for you it'd be an instant gift

[graceful hare]

The only advantage of a party is btw the Ember count, not that you get more imprints (directly)

[atomic vapor]

All you gotta do is avoid toxicity

[atomic vapor]

Triple loot filter is g i g a

Or quad for 4 people

[vernal zealot]

Poe1 is a giga bad example because although technically people get less per map when run in party, the input cost is spread across the entire party as opposed to 1 person

And yeah i gotta admit i had pretty bad experiences trying to trove rota even when attemoting on here

[atomic vapor]

You can usually get a vibe about who's decent to blast with imo

[vernal zealot]

You get more imprints because the input cost is shared- its not "direct" but its not exactly a hidden idea

Maybe next time i just choose character self found tbh

[atomic vapor]

I don't think that's the play. If you're on season softcore you can for example be like yo can someone rush my alt through X

[vernal zealot]

For me its kinda like i want to compare apple to apple- i have done very little party play this season (i only gave shares of my troves) and would like to see people on the same footing

Whereas if party players have 10x the amount of amber i can farm in a day its hardly a good comparison right?

[graceful hare]

Ok guys, I need to confess now: I play(ed) Umbral Blades, but I never understood the scaling in depth myself. Main bullet points are clear, but I know that I still don't know much about this.
I have the feeling, this one is not too bad, but can you have a look if there's any bigger flaws that you people can spot.

The belt would be throwing dmg instead of minion dmg if I could paint it.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Volin/character/VolinMitVogel

It does enough dmg to kill Abby before the slam (Abby, not Ubby), and that's all I ask for. But I wanted to share the build with a friend that asked, and want to avoid sharing bullshit

[vernal zealot]

Throw dmg instead of crit multi will probably be more dmg

[graceful hare]

Amy?

[atomic vapor]

I don't think you can ever compared to a party in any game tbh. Look at d2 8mans, or d3 paragon level farming. Party tech will always be sick by definition right? Also the whole comparison thing is mostly in each person's head. I don't think anyone sits down and goes "wow that dude rolled 3% multi less, trash"

[vernal zealot]

On nihils yes

[atomic vapor]

I feel like that's childish yk

[odd wadi]

if games is balanced around party it will allways happen

[atomic vapor]

Actually now that I think about it, if someone fingerpoints at you for how far you managed to push solo, maybe that says a lot about their real life

[graceful hare]

I assumed so, but thanks for confirming. Would you take Inheritance with T7 throw over Nihilis? I feel the skills are too valuable, but as said, I'm not 100% sure how to scale this perfect here

[vernal zealot]

I do think of it compartively though- like whats the point in looking at somebody who party plays consistently and expecting the same amount of gains

[devout heron]

George/Meru - Your gear is insane, gz!

[odd wadi]

Aslo important why SSF exsist

[vernal zealot]

Its almost always better for +2 now because you do dmg not falcon

[atomic vapor]

Also one small correction if you'll allow me

[vernal zealot]

Instead of blood roost peopke use +shadows exalted gloves too

[atomic vapor]

Drop the stat from daggers node and add smoke bomb dura

We no longer scale dive bomb

You'll appreciate the smoke bomb stacking more

[graceful hare]

You mean -Smoke Blades and +Lingering Fumes?

[vernal zealot]

For sure, im bad at articulating exactly what i mean but i do wish character found was more pronounced

[odd wadi]

what do you mean

[atomic vapor]

Focused hunter and cloud gatherer

[vernal zealot]

And trove rotas werent so giga OP

[atomic vapor]

On dive bomb

[odd wadi]

you mean to balance around solo play vs party?

Problem is when you "greif" party to close to solo

people will stop play together

so its like a balance

[atomic vapor]

Yeah I do feel like it's a very sensitive thing to balance

One small change and parties may die

[odd wadi]

this happen in D4

ALOT

[atomic vapor]

Yep

[odd wadi]

i play all 3 games and

in D4 party is just broken

but some stuff is worse in party

[graceful hare]

So you mean drop Talon Knives? Sorry I'm slow 😄

[vernal zealot]

Yes because some people like party play, maybe i need to stop just being so anti social

[odd wadi]

so no1 does them in party

nah not about be social

just party play is bad in some aspects

[vernal zealot]

But ive had nothinhg but bad exp. On this for party play (somebody threatened to kick me cause i opened a trove)

[atomic vapor]

Noo you're fine lol yes that's exactly what I mean

[odd wadi]

like if some1 can stop the whole g roup doing something its bad design

[atomic vapor]

You'll have one skill point left over that's basically useless

I dropped it on shred because with it I'm around 80-90 stacks

I like overcapping shred just a tiny bit to account for movement

[odd wadi]

also with XP gain, i dont think group should be 10-25 % faster

[atomic vapor]

And faster ramp up

But it's personal preference

[odd wadi]

makes 0 sense

it just makes solo people left behind

and forced to group

[vernal zealot]

I didnt know group got extra xp tbh

[odd wadi]

no i mean in general

cuz of the speed

can split up etc finnish faster

[atomic vapor]

Dude how do you manage to draw in the most toxic mfs 😭

I'd slap the idiot through the screen

[vernal zealot]

My ign probably doesnt help lmao

[odd wadi]

XD

JHAHAHHAHA

true

ngl

[atomic vapor]

Lmaooo fair

[vernal zealot]

But also running troves etc feels like it requires communication

[odd wadi]

but i like in D4 they made group bossing

balanced

[graceful hare]

I thought Talon Knives was one of the big ones oO But I can understand the value of Cloud Gatherer too ofc.

If you drop Talon Knives, that would make Weapon slams almost irrelevant?

[odd wadi]

before it was 4x better do in group vs solo

[vernal zealot]

I guess you played with your group across other arpgs? @atomic vapor

[odd wadi]

i done zero grouping in LE cuz i play SSF

and i play true offline

[vernal zealot]

Thats probably my next angle but hero editor so tempting hahah

[odd wadi]

hehe

i just do so i can play everytwhere irl

on my steamdeck

my laptop

etc

[atomic vapor]

Okay okay quick explanation. Umbral blades is your skill. Dive bomb is the bird's skill. Your dagger slams affect umbrals directly, but not dive bomb because it uses the bird stats. We used to use the dagger inheritance node because we wanted to buff dive bomb, but now all the damage from the class comes from umbral blades that 1) get thrown by the feather skill from aerial assault and 2) by shadows expiring at a smaller scale

The only thing dive bomb does is give you an insane amount of dusk shroud

[odd wadi]

but i also think like in D4 when you can use same mats to start a dungeon for 1 person and for 4 people

[graceful hare]

Appreciate your efforts!

[odd wadi]

its BADDDD

[atomic vapor]

No problem!

[odd wadi]

then its 4x times worse use it solo than as 4

cuz you can get 3 more runs out of same item

just horrible design

[atomic vapor]

You actually need 4x the mats? Wow

[odd wadi]

no

i mean do it solo is 4x worse

cuz you could get 3x more runs

[vernal zealot]

Yeah input cost split among the team makes party always the best choice

[atomic vapor]

Ohhhhh

[odd wadi]

exactly

and atm it does not

so SELLING runs

is most effective playstyle

= BAD

[atomic vapor]

Yes now I understand it

That's yeah bad

[odd wadi]

so i EARN more afk outside

than playing the game

💀

[atomic vapor]

The true blizzard experience

😭

[odd wadi]

they fixed bosses

but other stuff is not fixed

but this is mostly for casual players bad thing

for me sweets just bruteforce the game

[vernal zealot]

Also @atomic vapor when you share troves does your team try to stick together or just open individually?

[odd wadi]

i mean i play LE alot D4 alot and POE2 alot

so is all fine

but overall LE has best QoL

except Alt campaign i hate

reallllly hate

[atomic vapor]

Spread across all directions and aoe clear as fast as you can (without making it unfun obviously). It doesn't matter who kills, memory amber drops from everyone. Once map is clear, go pick up all amber while opening troves

[vernal zealot]

Poe1 seems to have the best balance when it comes to party play v solo, LE has the best ssf experience, d4 has ?

[odd wadi]

d4 has community

and fluidness

graphics

[atomic vapor]

For everyone*

[odd wadi]

good QoL for stuff

very big campagin

[vernal zealot]

Ueah and troves are individual open right

[odd wadi]

but ye mostly for casuals

[atomic vapor]

I'll be real I hate the damage numbers in d4z they feel so soft

[vernal zealot]

If not in screen

[atomic vapor]

Yes unless someone stands very very close

[vernal zealot]

Sorry typing while making bfast lol

[atomic vapor]

If both have the lizard node

Don't open close to another person

[odd wadi]

^

[atomic vapor]

You can proc lizards twice

[odd wadi]

d4 has alot of good stuff i like that LE dont have

and vice versa

[atomic vapor]

I'll be honest. All I want from LE is non trash prophecies, more bosses and them not to destroy imprints which I currently love

That's gonna make me blast even harder season 3

[odd wadi]

ye agree

D4 need to slow down the dmg

scaling is way to curve

atm

its like this

[vernal zealot]

I want an option to turn off critical success crafting

[odd wadi]

you get 2-3 items with correct x% stat

BAAM

200x more dmg

🤪

go from crit 50B

to 1.5T

[vernal zealot]

I kinda thought d3 was great for almost being a parody of the arpg genre like that lol

[atomic vapor]

I don't see them adding too op QoL. I've heard pick what you remove with removal, I heard slams with fewer than 4 affixes, and I think Mike also was discussing the possibility of t4 Julra allowing to pick more stats? Or rather that they'll look into it

[odd wadi]

d3 was fun

i had a blast ngl

[atomic vapor]

Imo d3 had the best party synergy ever with zhp barbs tanking

It felt like an mmo

[odd wadi]

yep

i was sad when they removed all QoL from D3 in to D4

was so bad

d4 at start had zero QoL

0

could been done by other studio ngl

[vernal zealot]

I dont think turning off crit sucess as an option would be too bad, it just sucks on things like 'failing' a despair for it to crit sucess to a tier you cant seal etc

[atomic vapor]

Would've been the best option

[atomic vapor]

I agree. I just don't know how op they'd view that

[vernal zealot]

Or crit sucess on chaos is the worst....

[atomic vapor]

💀horrible

[vernal zealot]

"I have 2 chances to improve this item" "nvm"

[atomic vapor]

Generally I think forging potential is a little too brutal

Maybe I'm being spoiled by imprints who knows

How about hope buffed to 50%

[odd wadi]

Ye

Also for new people

The forge possible

People are very confused

[vernal zealot]

The rng can swing so heavy in crafting yeah

[atomic vapor]

Suddenly item eats 18 fp, item bricked

Newbie stares at screen

[vernal zealot]

LMAO double -18

[atomic vapor]

The gif with the dude wrapping the seatbelt around his neck 😭

[vernal zealot]

Me when i get the correct mods but not tiers and the havocs eat 46FP

[atomic vapor]

Especially for helm/chest. "Gimme flat throw pls" "ok here's ur bow elemental dmg'

"no pls flat throw"

"here's levels to shurikens"

[vernal zealot]

What would you think about them putting a total affix tier on stuff too, so you didnt feel so locked in to doible t7

Like how WW items work sorta thing

Like double t7 double t5 hard limit

[atomic vapor]

The way it currently works to me helps creating good endgame gg item chase

Because if you know there's a hard cap, you probably won't bother

But when you know there's a quad t7 out there

It helps with replayability

I think ultra rare non mandatory items are good chase incentive

It also gives value to low uniques that can roll 4lp easily

[vernal zealot]

I wish exalt items had more use too- right now theres like a total of like 5 builds that use a non unique in every slot pretty much lok

[atomic vapor]

I want sealed affix crafting

Let me swap a sealed affix to a champ affix

[vernal zealot]

Swap champ for champ would be pog

Because there probably is some really goodge ones for more than just rogue

But they are so rare

[atomic vapor]

And make it like creation, if it's too strong make them non duplicable

Once you swap a seal affix

FP = 0

I'd be fine with that

Just give some crafting

[vernal zealot]

Imagine filtering all cdr gloves with any t7 on to try and hit

Pog

[atomic vapor]

Yeah. Double purple with t1 in the back?

Seal, swap to +1 shadows

Done

[graceful hare]

I have another question on the Umbrals please. It may be stupid, but I don't see it 🙂

If we only/mainly scale the umbrals, why the flat melee slams on the weapon. I could see that when Talon Knives was used, but I don't understand the Melee slams for a throwing attack, what am I missing here? 🙂

[atomic vapor]

The ideal is flat melee multi +pen on 3lps

Umbrals have a melee tag

So they gain damage from all flat melee sources

Physical or otherwise

[graceful hare]

Those who can read... 😄 Thanks!

[atomic vapor]

No problem haha

[vernal zealot]

Eden 6 time on fl4k

Deadge

[atomic vapor]

Quad monarch

Ratatatatata

[vernal zealot]

Im not even sure if monarch exists in current mod im playing

[atomic vapor]

Lol, serious rebalancing then

[vernal zealot]

I know hellwaker got replaced and they added norfleet

Oh yeah theres like 2 extra rarity, entire rebalance of weapons

[atomic vapor]

What was the light gun called that zane uses

The dlc one

[vernal zealot]

Light show

I think

[atomic vapor]

I love that thing

[vernal zealot]

That got a heavy nerf in mod im playing

[atomic vapor]

Yeah understandable, Zane basically dual wields those

Turns the game into touhou

But for the enemy

I was in this server where it was the running gag, whenever someone asked for a good bl3 build you'd reply "plasma coil"

Trust me bro it'll work

[vernal zealot]

Lmao i need to do some good old arms race soon

But its giga hard on this lmao

[spare folio]

is heartseeker meant to be bad at killing bosses? somehow my rive void knight kills aberroth in nearly half the time of my fire heartseeker build, even though my rogue has far better gear. and rive is not even the top build like erasing strike...

and the rive build can one shot entire pack of mobs at 300 corruption with void cleave, so can actually clear maps faster than the heartseeker build

[atomic vapor]

Arms race unironically a good roguelike solo lol

[vernal zealot]

Yeah i love it in vanilla

[vernal zealot]

Kinda? It feels like its the standard ranger archetype of "good clear bad single target"

[spare folio]

i thought heartseeker was meant to be the single target dps skill

[vernal zealot]

Also erasing strike just feels mega over tunled

Tuned*

[spare folio]

i was using rive

[odd wadi]

ye so real not even funny

[marble parrot]

Heorot/harbinger is tough on heartseeker cold. Who knew not being able to freeze would be a showstopper

Is bladedancer better at bossing?

Then like...HoA or Marksman overall

[spare folio]

falcon is better if you want that

the other masteries seem underpowered currently

[marble parrot]

Yeah someone ig said so as well. BEen having fun with the heartseeker, but now am working towards falconer

[flint turret]

other masteries are fine, its just the falconer is op

[atomic vapor]

@vernal zealot hello hello hello hello hello hello

[vernal zealot]

Ooooooooo does that mod do much for us?

[atomic vapor]

no screw the mod

this is my new imprint

triple t7+60fp

I'm gonna make my throw/dex/crit avoid dream a reality

if I manage to make this

I can swap to +20 all res blessing

and suddenly null portent is the meta

I almost screamed irl 😭

time to farm hard

[atomic vapor]

hello past me LOL

god I love this game

[slate mulch]

marksman>>>>BD in bossing with traps

[devout heron]

George - What corruption are you at?

[atomic vapor]

1k, I don't push

I prefer grinding

[devout heron]

cool, that's where im sitting too

gives me hope that i can find an item like that

[atomic vapor]

if only I was as young as I once was

I'd be gigablasting all day

I'm hardapped by work

[devout heron]

yeah, silly work. what do you usually farm? (timeline, echo, etc.)

[atomic vapor]

just trove rotations with my friends

put a good playlist on and blast while memeing

[devout heron]

oh friends... i'll have get some of those. lol

[atomic vapor]

😔 ✊

we're irl so it helps you know

[devout heron]

that's really cool. how does it work? does everybody get amber? how about the caches?

[atomic vapor]

yes everyone gets everything otherwise party play would be pretty pointless

nobody would wanna join a place where no loot/currency drops

[devout heron]

that's true. sounds like my next farming objective should be friends instead of gear 😉

[foggy rapids]

I have swapped out my Dragonsong for a Reign of Winter bow in Heartseeker Marksman build. Why do my arrows still look like they are dealing fire dmg, not cold ?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BxRyew7A

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (65) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 2,420, Regen: 36.34/s
▸ Mana: 310.31, Regen: 10.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 18%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 52 Dex / 9 Int / 24 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 117% / 115% / 91% / 38% / 80% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 847
▸ Dodge Chance: 22% (742)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (530)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 49%

Used skills:

Shift / Puncture / Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Shurikens

[atomic vapor]

I'm not seeing it

you did not convert heartseeker to a fire skill

you also aren't speccing burning daggers

you have some increased fire damage from the amulet which is obviously useless, but that's it

[foggy rapids]

Yeap - that did it. I looked at the skill tree but completely missed it. Thxs !
The build is very much a WIP. I have just about all the uniques but I need to get the T7/T6 exalts to slam before I swap them out, and yes that amulet needs to be swapped out.

[atomic vapor]

oh you thought you were doing fire dmg because you were seeing the elevated increased fire dmg compared to the rest damage types

I thought you meant literally visually seeing fire arrows

[foggy rapids]

When shooting arrows the visual is red. When it's cold the visual is white. I completely missed that till it was pointed out this afternoon, which is a bit sad t osay the least. I think I'm back on track to get to an Icicle Heartseeker Marksman build now

[atomic vapor]

sounds like the swap overall went fine. I highly suggest getting a purple amulet with multi or cold pen (or both of course), with whichever of the two you can get purple, cold pen being the better option

before you settle on a unique amulet that is

[foggy rapids]

Yes. I have a few reference builds to use now and those have more realistic endgame gear than what maxroll was showing. Exalted amulet, rings and belt before I move to uniques in those categories.

[atomic vapor]

once you establish a steady farming routine in earlymid corruption you will get your first purples very fast

[flint turret]

But why would you use exalteds if uniques are easier to get and better

Swine amulet, crab/nomad/oceareon, brew/elecoe/jungle

[foggy rapids]

I won't if I can get the uniques. I do have a swine with phys dmg which maybe I should swap to. I also have a brewers belt and a core of the mountain but I'm waiting to get T7/T6 drops to apply to them, then I'll swap out and in.

[flint turret]

You won't drop t7 hybrid belt or t7 heatseeker body realistically. You make those with havocs

[foggy rapids]

I got super lucky with this drop for chest armour but yeah drops for the belt are non-existent

[flint turret]

But why didn't you use it to slam

[foggy rapids]

I need an LP on my Core of the Mountain. Once that is done then I''ll be off to Sanctum to throw it on the chest armour. I don't have a Null or I'd do it on that

So a Core is baking in nemesis

[flint turret]

Ah I see. You made it sound like you need exalteds to slam

Arguably 1lp null is easier to farm than core btw

Core has a pretty big stat roll range

[slate mulch]

certainly more boring to farm too

also is it just me or is hail of arrows MM kind of clunky

feels like the dps is really low without picking up dark quiver arrows

[foggy rapids]

Yeah - I had help getting a Core. The stats on it aren't too bad

[foggy rapids]

Nemesis was not my friend - is it possible to scrap the suffix it put on and get back to square one and try for an LP via nemesis again ?

[flint turret]

No you need to farm 0lps of you want to use nemesis. And 6att is pretty bad anyway. Its 4-10

[foggy rapids]

Best I got so far.

[silver agate]

fellow bladedancers, question about this:

Do you pump points toget 1000 ward, or just one point for free dodge

i guess depends on HP

[cobalt mantle]

I pretty much always do only 1 point

[silver agate]

yeah, seems right, i pumped it on fresh max level when i had 1k hp, then double that mattered

now at 3.5k hp matters less xd

[tough tiger]

Wtf @atomic vapor that flames of midnight ring

[hollow moss]

I'm looking at your falconer planner, is Claws actually better than Blood Roost? I just came back for Falconer and the last time I saw planners are with Blood Roost, now I see ppl go for Claws.

[atomic vapor]

And the triple t7 helm. Yesterday was WILD

[atomic vapor]

You just don't need that many points in falconry to justify them with that build, that's all

[atomic vapor]

A nice pair of cdr gloves with purple throw and dex with +1 shadows champion affix should theoretically be better

But the difference here is 40 dusk shroud stacks give or take vs 130 throwing multi, and with shroud stacks not being permanent it's a bit ambiguous what pushes ahead

If you manage to get either, it's a solid choice

[hollow moss]

I think a cdr glove with T7/T6 throw and dex + shadow affix is probably much harder to get than a gloves to slam on a 2LP claws. Thanks btw

[atomic vapor]

Completely agree, I've got them on my filter and haven't seen a single one. The hard part isn't the champ affix+purple stat but rather getting it on the right base

Some people settle for other glove bases, I just don't wanna use something else

If those gloves don't drop I'll keep using lirakas

Also if you're looking at my planner, disregard the passive points on armor, for Uber you take those out and put them in concentration

Highly guarantee taking that armor node when mapping it makes things very smooth

[hollow moss]

CDR is too good to pass by lol.

[hollow moss]

Ok noted thanks

[vernal zealot]

Pr9bably a good argument for the endurance% or dot mitigation, but yeah cdr giga

[tough tiger]

Yeah thats crazy it hit the perfect roll too. Quad t7 ring inc

[hollow moss]

@atomic vapor If I have a 3LP jungle belt, would it be better than brewmaster?

[atomic vapor]

For bosses yes infinitely better. But i highly recommend a brew belt with hp for maps. Armor passive + around 3k health + constant silver shroud makes you surprisingly tanky at 1k

Some people build max dodge but I don't like that it caps at 85%

[atomic vapor]

Yeah eternal gloves would be my next bet too, or even the mana ones

But I genuinely hope I loot the cdr ones sometime

Depends on how long the season lasts

[vernal zealot]

Im in the handsome jackpot rn enjoying life 🙂

[atomic vapor]

Casino dlc best dlc

No comparison

[slate mulch]

whats better for survivability ravenous ro vise?

[vernal zealot]

Thouroughly reccomend rebalands if you ever wanna do another playthrough @atomic vapor the mobbing gets intense

[vernal zealot]

Both diff use cases, i imagine cause rogue is low hp probably ravenous most times

[slate mulch]

thaanks, makes sense

[vagrant monolith]

Should I get different rings with a Dex slam vs a Red Ring without Dex for Umbral Falconer?

[spare folio]

i guess that depends if you need the dex or the stats of a red ring more

[vagrant monolith]

That's kind of my question yeah haha

[jagged vale]

I'd personally do an exalted ring over a red ring if it doesn't have a LP

[spare folio]

if you can use a red ring to cover your resists more, and free up affix slots elsewhere...i would go for that, unless you can get another ring that buffs your damage a lot more in comparison. or go for the red ring more if you need the survivability a lot more.

speaking of falcon, there seems to be two main builds, umbral blades which requires high APM and ballista which is squishy. is there anything else that is more like a normal build that isnt squishy?

[undone dune]

most of the falcon builds require more or less holding down the divebomb+AA keys

there really isnt' a way around it they are too low cd + high damage

also you can make ballista pretty tanky this patch with pale ox

[spare folio]

so you cant just focus on one skill as falcon?

whats the disadvantate of ballista? do you need minion affixes or have to worry about them being destroyed?

[hidden osprey]

Keep getting random void 1 shots from nemesis even though void resist is maxed out. On 500+ corruption

[spare folio]

not enough health/damage mitigation most likely

[hidden osprey]

gear still work in progress
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMy84LeB

2319hp + 208 ward

[spare folio]

why are you trying to do 500+ corruption? drop down to 300 instead

[hidden osprey]

trying to see how far build can go heh

500 doable but occasional 1 shots

[atomic vapor]

if I maxroll this, I critcap without the help of a stout idol. I've been wondering if it's worthwhile to chase an increased crit on one of the idols

it frees up two slots for two of these

however then I'd have to find ele res somewhere

It annoys me that these things don't roll ele res

[hidden osprey]

they do on these

[atomic vapor]

the point is to get pen

[hidden osprey]

small weaver are just single res

[atomic vapor]

I can find ele res in a vacuum

[hidden osprey]

Not sure if phys pen though

[gray epoch]

anyone has a good marksman build for over 150 corruption?

well at this point doesnt need to be marksman anything that can run 150 to 300

[flint turret]

Literally any rogue build can run over 150

Just pick the skill you like the most and scale it

[granite rover]

Hello fellow rogues, I have a quick question. Does anyone know why when dust shroud is stacking only up to 30? I see video where it go ups to 40 to 60

[flint turret]

There is no limit, it's limited only by how fast you can gain them

[granite rover]

So does that mean my attack speed needs to be hired to generate more?

Hire

Higher

[hidden osprey]

I can get about 60. I think it's stacking dex and increase cooldown recovery

[granite rover]

i have 189 dex and 62% CDR

when just trying in the dummy.. its not even going pass 15

[hidden osprey]

hmm maybe missing a node on skill

[granite rover]

which one?

[hidden osprey]

What do you have on Umbral Blades >Downfall?

[granite rover]

i have umbral blade

i am such a noob, where is downfall?

[hidden osprey]

sorry, dawnfall

[granite rover]

can't find dawnfall either

found it

yes i have dawnfall , 4 points

in there

[granite rover]

Anyone can assist.?

[slate mulch]

for most rogue builds that can clear 1k corr comfortably, is it realistic to say that they could do 5k as well?

considering they spec into dodge and the HP scaling doesnt go up too high

[flint turret]

Corr is mostly gatekept by DPS amount. And only a few builds are broken to the extent of clearing 5k. Even then it's mostly a gamble of you being one-tapped or not

Well... DPS+range or DPS+super tankiness to be exact. Either combo needs to be op

[tough tiger]

make sure rushing wings in dive bomb skill tree is 1/4 and not 4/4

even 0/4 if you can lol

[granite rover]

Yea it's 1/4

Right now

[hidden osprey]

can you import build planner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ and link here?

[hidden osprey]

There is Asian player clearing 10k corruption with umbral blades dive bomb

[granite rover]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdM239eB

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (13) / Falconer (64)

General:

▸ Health: 1,852, Regen: 140.27/s
▸ Mana: 177.65, Regen: 11.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 35%, Regen: 10/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 171 Dex / 11 Int / 11 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 96% / 116% / 92% / 103% / 102% / 96%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 370
▸ Dodge Chance: 44% (1582)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (871)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[tough tiger]

Well yeah your flock of crows is 1/3

In dive bomb

Its the biggest thing that gives shrouds

[granite rover]

Kk let me get it back to 3

[tough tiger]

Also you will get a massive dps increase if you switch to peak for helmet. Your crit is nowhere close to cap

[granite rover]

I have one . Was trying out the one I had in the build.

I will put it back on

[tough tiger]

Gotcha gotcha

But yeah that one skill node should fix dusk shroud stacks - it will literally triple what you were getting

[granite rover]

Thanks. That worked

Now just have to not die in uber

[slate mulch]

seeing so much survivbility in other class skills and trees is crazy

i feel like a breeze can one shot my rogue

even mage the focus skill has like 50% DR, 1000s of armor and ward built into it

[odd crystal]

i have a question,charging puncture will get tagged ''channeled'',it makes it cannot benefit from ''Coated Blades'' and ''Shift''.Is it a way to limit the power of charged bow skills?

[spare folio]

whats the disadvantate of ballista? do you need minion affixes or have to worry about them being destroyed?

[atomic vapor]

Rogue is pretty decently tanky built right

I know bd can be pretty tanky with low life but even falconer

Silver shroud + the armor passive for me works wonders

Right now I'm sitting at 60% armor and dodge before any stacks

[haughty wharf]

hi friends, as bladedancer, in defensive terms is apostacy(convert dodge>glanicng blow chance) good node? im currently on 200 corruption and I have only 1900 hp I have 60%+dodge all the time in combat but my crit damage avoidance and reduction are very low so I get randomly oneshot quite often, as of now these things seems to as best way to mitigate that until I fix those stats.

any input would be appreciated

since the node mentioned converts dodge at 200% rate to GB chance feels like that should help me out a ton for now.

my endurance is at 45%

so I did some shuffling and took out some crit chance from my build and got to 100% chance to recieve a Gb

am I on the right track? 😄

[cloud coral]

If you are not oneshoted it is right track, depends on your aims. I prefer to search for subclass builds to know what is used in highest corr builds.

[prisma marlin]

I was about to stop playing because I died 3 times in a row at 1k corruption and then this dropped lol.

[haughty wharf]

couldnt find any resource for the build im playing, and my aim is not 1500 corruption or whatever is considered highest

i didnt get an upgrade since I started emp monoliths so I got plenty of room for upgrades and getting stronger, was mostly wondering about bandaid fix until I drop what I need

[flint turret]

Every season since the falconer release it was clearing 10k+

[round depot]

JUSE non Asien Player also Cleared 10k a few weeks ago

[prisma marlin]

Omg I’ve been wearing 0LP dumpster rolls gloves by mistake!

Back to mega blasting now

[haughty wharf]

i WAS POG

I did that and got 55% crit damage reduction on ring, had to kill my dps a bit so it took me like 1:30 min to kill him but I lived 😄

[dim forge]

Put Falconry On Your Action Bar
Unspecialized Falconry needs to be on your Action Bar to use Aerial Assault and Dive Bomb. DO NOT PLACE IT ON SKILL SLOT 1 OR IT WON'T PROC Coordinated Fade Silver Shroud.

switching over to the umbral blade build on maxroll and saw this so is Falconry only supposed to be on the action bar and not specialized as a skill?

[cloud coral]

him = aberoth?

[haughty wharf]

no no mb

dan champions echo

damn*

it was the source of most of my frustration :"D

at 200 corruption

I think I had like 30 attempts bnefore I changed gear

I still think they overtuned especially dot parts of their kit

xD

[cloud coral]

Usually after few i continue to progress with gear

[haughty wharf]

I was close to killing them few times xD so I just tought I can ahahaha

and first penumbras dropped WOOHOO

[junior oriole]

can someone post an updated build for umbral falconer post nerf for cozy uber time?

either I am messing something up or the maxroll one is slower than my ES build

[slate mulch]

does the boss training dummy take more daamage

or rather do enemies simply have more resistances/take less damag ein echoes?

i was testing my dps on a build i was trying to make and its doing 2.5 mill dmg hits to the boss dummy

but on uberroth its only 250k

[vernal zealot]

Yeah dummies have 0 armor/resistance

[vernal zealot]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Blasdrimal/character/Sylvie this is @atomic vapor 's

Ive got mine setup for purely uber abby rn, it cannot echo with current spec but can post that too

[junior oriole]

give it to me anyway...can the above setup work with talons of valor or I need to farm traitor's?

oh I see you are using shadow daggers...so traitor's is a must

why the cold melee damage on traitor?

[cobalt mantle]

Enemies also have 0 armor/resistance, generally. Some have resistances. The reason dummy takes more is because enemies get damage reduction scaling with level (87% DR at level 100)

[hidden osprey]

And corruption level I believe

[woeful ether]

georges is giga minmaxed. mine is all like 1 lp slams and still does 1k corr/uberroth fine

[cobalt mantle]

Corruption only scales their damage and health

[slate mulch]

yeah i think mage is just broken

well specifically the focus skill is just a standout broken ability, no other skill in the game has so much juiced into it

[vernal zealot]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/I_grief_alot/character/Heartsook specific setup for uberroth one shots

[atomic vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XehtzmFPymM

I did a 0:25

[atomic vapor]

because that's the best I've got for now

[junior oriole]

I am pretty much following your profile still not level 100 yet but nowhere close to dps needed for uber...what am I doing wrong? https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/amol447/character/atharva

before the first big slam...I can't even get him to 80%

is numlock/auto hotkey compulsory for the setup?

[atomic vapor]

fix your idols

you're mising out on a ~2500% increased damage modifier

[junior oriole]

ah I forgot to change my idols!

[atomic vapor]

fix your crit chance

recommend the blessing for now

hm what else

midnight aviary is completely useless, get featherfall (top left)

1 point is enough

and get cloud gatherer as well

[junior oriole]

but you have midnight aviary in your setup?

4/5

or the bossing setup so different that the other one can't do uber at all?

[atomic vapor]

no, grief just linked my planner as I was messing around on the dummy and the site updated

[junior oriole]

...

[atomic vapor]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWD7543B

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (15) / Marksman (21) / Falconer (57)

General:

▸ Health: 2,338, Regen: 26.6/s
▸ Mana: 281.77, Regen: 14.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 48%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 201 Dex / 24 Int / 24 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 79% / 75% / 71% / 76%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 26%, Threshold: 819
▸ Dodge Chance: 41% (1479)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (2,267)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Falconry / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades / Dive Bomb

[atomic vapor]

This is my bossing setup. for maps, max out evasion and stymphalian feathers

[pale quail]

Whats the point of running Null Portent while not stacking resistance?

[atomic vapor]

being too lazy to farm core of the mountain

also I have a triple t7 helm imprinted

if I manage to get t7 avoid, I can swap to the all res blessing

at which point null portent defensively should be bis

[pale quail]

ah get it

I see you are not stacking endurance threshold, otherwise Wall of Nothing would be good too

[atomic vapor]

it has no health

I would really rather use a chest with health

either null portent, core of the mountain or even ox tbh

it's effectively 2 health slams which I appreciate

[pale quail]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/zh/LaosijiSZR/character/Akakunkun you can check my build

Its works well with Seed helmet

[atomic vapor]

is the cdr noticable?

[pale quail]

On idols? yeah cuz im using Synchronized Strike

to get 5 shaddows

[atomic vapor]

no from mana stacking

well, "stacking"

[pale quail]

ye i can get up to 260 dusk shroud

[atomic vapor]

sounds fun

I got slower kills when I unspecced falconry

I'll try again

[pale quail]

Double T7 parry on dagger + Wall of nothing gives you giga survivability, you can chill grind on 5000 corruption xD

[atomic vapor]

oh yeah I just don't see myself reaching something like that with cof, should take an unreal amount of grinding

havent' even decided if I wanna push tbh

just messing with uber

close to unkillable at 1k but that's expected

[flint turret]

Chill grind = one tap from dot

Good thing they nerfed dot tho, it was much worse before

[pale quail]

yeah it does take a lot of time grinding, as least double T7 this season is available, just need to open tons of boxes xD

[atomic vapor]

If I wasn't as busy irl I'd play mg and camp the market

But I can't do that, so I'm stuck with cof

we'll see next season but yeah

not sure if I can manage a triple t7 slam till season 3

[granite rover]

anyone know how to constantly keep Silver Shroud up when auto casting AA, Falconry and Dive bomb?

[atomic vapor]

I spoke too soon

[cerulean orchid]

Can some one help me figure out why my cinder strike will stop being used in the middle of combat all of the sudden? And if that's a bug or not. I use a xbox controller and it don't matter what I put it on it just stops working won't let me shoot to take awhile of being out of combat to being able to start using it. And even when going to the keyboard and mouse it's still stops and don't fix it self

Ok so maybe using it on RT is the issue I tried to go to X so far no issue and one else have that issue with cinder strike no working all the time on a Xbox controller on the RT button. And all other attacks will work thoe

[junior oriole]

oh man...it is soooo easy to do it uberroth with falconer.....

thanks @atomic vapor

[atomic vapor]

no problem dude

I need a jungle belt yesterday

[marsh plank]

thinking about using this on a falconer with a spear, worth while?

[nocturne wave]

What should I focus on slamming on my rings when I play syncstrike cascade bladedancer?

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (30) / Bladedancer (75) / Marksman (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,433, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 199.82, Regen: 20.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 67 Dex / 19 Int / 9 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 41% / 41% / 41% / 71% / 41% / 61% / 131%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 373
▸ Dodge Chance: 25% (867)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (761)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

Used skills:

None

[pulsar solar]

anx ideas for improvement for my BBC physical build? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7plM2mo

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (67) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,476, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 208.3, Regen: 20.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 90 Dex / 19 Int / 9 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 41% / 41% / 41% / 41% / 41% / 61% / 66%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 384
▸ Dodge Chance: 27% (907)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (697)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

Used skills:

Shift / Umbral Blades / Lethal Mirage / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb

[zenith rivet]

Hey, im running my own version of a similar build. Its currently a work in progress but feel free to check it out if it helps you https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/qy2b604q#1

[pulsar solar]

@naive bronze hey, why do you use stealth boots? I found not a reason to wear the boots. It seems for me to have no effect on the mirages

[zenith rivet]

its not for the mirages, its for the tones of dodge the give me plus the extra points in smoke bomb

they are not mandatory at all just personal preference

im considering Sulorons instead for more dps or a good pair of exalted boots would also work fine

[pulsar solar]

Sulorons are very good. I tried and changed my boots to suloron

[zenith rivet]

you have to run the Physical Resist blessing as well though to keep your res capped

[pulsar solar]

Which affix would you put in the sulloron?

[zenith rivet]

my build is quite slow so i would go with a Movement Speed affix and maybe dex or Cooldown if i got a 2lp Sulorons

you running Swift which has a lower base cooldown so you might not really need a Coolcodw reduction affix. Dex for more damage or Hybrid health for more tankiness, either would work

[pulsar solar]

I have gloves with double T6 phys resistance and Crit chance

[zenith rivet]

that works too

but if you use the blessing then you open up your gloves affixes for more usefull stats

[flint turret]

Either phys% for damage or anything defensive you are lacking

mana regen is another prefix option if you need it

[nocturne wave]

Thx

[tiny knoll]

@atomic vapor which dagger did you take off to put the one you made now? https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/job9f0sn started a falc and its looking like that but i might want to swap to the dagger build.. heard is more dmg no?

(the build is missing 2 t7 dex rr they are on other char)

do you have any tips what to swap for dagger build?

[atomic vapor]

pen > phys/multi

I've ran uber about a trillion times

if you get either of phys/multi the difference looks tiny

[tiny knoll]

whats the timer for uber approx?

[tiny knoll]

so you took of the one with cold melee cuz the other is t7 pen?

[atomic vapor]

my pb? 25

yes. I have a t7 pen t7 multi and a t7 flat t7 pen and even tho I wanna experiment with them both there's gonna be absolutely miniscule dps difference so dw about such tiny micromanagement

[tiny knoll]

aight then so today is dagger farm day i need to try this dual wielding thing

thanks!

[atomic vapor]

you can spam prophecies if you don't have anything else to spend them on

they have a high chance to roll big lp

[tiny knoll]

got a 3lp one but i need a second on and i need to spam maps for double triple exalt daggers

plus get another 1lp relic to slam the dex.. before getting that is the sphere okay? t7dex t5 throwiing dmg

[atomic vapor]

throw is better if you have to pick

[tiny knoll]

also is too important the hat with throw while dual wield? i got that for now

[atomic vapor]

throw is the best stat in the build by a mile

[tiny knoll]

aight so 2lp 2t7 dex throw while dual better

i seriously need to farm fck

[atomic vapor]

now you know my pain lol

I missed the 15% pen here and I almost quit the season

we love gambling

[tiny knoll]

ohhh and thats a nice amulet... yeah bro i know the pain.. had to go through this making my time rot char 2 builds, 1 for the 1tap 1 for mapping

[tiny knoll]

gimme 1

[atomic vapor]

lol they're all 0lp

turtle food

I have 7 3lps so far for the second dagger

farming purple now

[tiny knoll]

yeah the big problem is exalts

[thin quartz]

@atomic vapor im really curious, how many echos have you completed.

[atomic vapor]

probably nowhere near your amount, you grind like mad

[thin quartz]

that is still an crazy amount

[atomic vapor]

I don't think anyone has blasted as hard as you in terms of sheer numbers

[thin quartz]

its the new rune and imprint mechanic made me grind this much

i didnt even grind half of what i have on 1.0 1.1 1.2

[atomic vapor]

same, I've decided if farming is unfun season 3 I'll take a break

[thin quartz]

yeah i also hope they improve the imprint mechanic and not nerf it any further

[atomic vapor]

my only goal is a 4lp jungle belt to put this in

and I'm basically done

I wanna put that avoidance in there, and swap to allres blessing to make null portent useful

and this character should be as reasonably minmaxed as possible without crazy mg season start gear

[thin quartz]

should a falconer really get crit avoid

[atomic vapor]

nothing else useful in suffix, and I'll just make a double health helm (that's where I wanted to put the avoid originally)

I care more about mapping than uber

[thin quartz]

ahhhh

[thin quartz]

this make sense on why you want crit avoid

[atomic vapor]

I mean... let's be honest, my pb is 25 seconds and I'm lacking throw on belt (which I'll get when I slam this)

best case scenario I'll go down to 20 seconds like meru

I don't think I need anymore dps

[thin quartz]

that's true...

[atomic vapor]

I like the idea of 100% avoid and overcapped res for null portent. It makes my ocd happy

[thin quartz]

while trying to craft 7 7 6 5 helmet to slam my peak. ive gotten 9x lp4 peak....

[atomic vapor]

I got a triple t7 helm but no luck for the correct stats yet

it's gonna be my last item I think

if I make belt and helm and there's time before season 3

I think I'm gonna go on a big red ring farm

see if I can get a 2lp

[thin quartz]

i need 7 7 6 cause of my ucenui. trying to get T6 int to match attune from RoW

[atomic vapor]

makes sense, that's gonna be a pain

[thin quartz]

omg. ive been an idiot all these time

int doesnt exist on rogue helmet

[atomic vapor]

I didn't even question the existence of int on the helm slot lol. Kinda weird that that's the case

[thin quartz]

ive used so many redemption rune and all of a sudden i remember i hvaent seen int before and i decided to check just now.

[atomic vapor]

what's the backup plan. Drop movement speed from boots and go dex int maybe

[thin quartz]

7 7 6 ring

ms = damage for rogue as well, cant give that up

i can replace my increased cold damage to t6 int on ring

[kind atlas]

when you hover over the crit chance stats, it says 10% from dagger (base), but it should be 13% since you have 13% on your off hand and 10% on your main hand. is this a bug with letools or does it actually calculate it from your mainhand?

[atomic vapor]

planners show ranges

not exact stats

personally I need 13 to crit cap

which i have

[kind atlas]

they show exact stats if you choose actual though?

which you did

[atomic vapor]

I generated that planner from my own character

maybe that gets copied as exact, I don't know the intricacies of the planner

all I'm saying is maybe it accounts for the min roll

[kind atlas]

it's super weird, if you use traitors as offhand with a non traitors main hand, the number is correct 13% in offhand is what you get

but the moment you dual wield it chooses primary?

or the lowest of the two

[atomic vapor]

sounds like it prioritizes the stat on the MH because it doesn't account for the condition

mike said on stream that

unique affixes aren't stored as they're depicted

sometimes you see the "description of the affix"

sometimes 2 different lines on the item might be a single affix

like with red ring

the regens roll together

[kind atlas]

if you swap your mh and offhand around, will be interesting to see what number gets taken. im at work, cant test it. you are probably crit capped either way so won't make a difference but interesting to know

[atomic vapor]

I'll give it a shot as well if I remember to when I'm back on

but no I'm at exactly 101% so I need the 13

[kind atlas]

letools says 92% so maybe its just letools bug

in game says 101?

[atomic vapor]

letools says 92 because it reads the dagger as 10% no?

[kind atlas]

yeah it read the primary

for whatever reason

[atomic vapor]

yeah. with 13% I'm at 101

my peak rolled 275

and I use a crit chance stout

that brings me at cap

[kind atlas]

i think going from 10 > 13 base crit would be more of a change from 92 to 101 though, 3% base is huge

some weird stuff going on

[atomic vapor]

3 * 305% = 9.15

92+9.15=101.15%

just put a 10% dagger on

[kind atlas]

its the same?

[atomic vapor]

I mean yeah see, 92%

so that's what the site does

calcs the mh dagger

[kind atlas]

so you get 92% in game no matter what. and on the site. but if you calculate it as 13%, you get capped (and that's what happens in reality) otherwise you would see some white numbers sometimes

[atomic vapor]

no no wait

I'm saying I get 92% if I put a 10% dagger on

I just put a 0lp one with 10% to check

but my own 13% dagger caps me

I get no white numbers from umbrals, just the falcon which isn't crit capped

[kind atlas]

so 2 x 10% daggers = 92. 10% mh 13%oh = 101%. in game?

[atomic vapor]

no. wait I knew something was wrong. I had an idol with crit% enchant on compared to that planner. okay. 10% dagger offhand is 88% with 305% increased. 13% dagger offhand is 101%

there we go

wait I didn't include the dagger in the second one

there we go

let me check that planner

that's why it shows 92%

I completely forgot I had that on

[kind atlas]

thats changing the offhand from 10% to 13%? working as intended then (in game at least)

[atomic vapor]

looks like it works as intended ingame

88-101% when I switch them

and it "works as intended" calc wise in the planner too, the error is that it calcs the MH

but the calculation itself seems accurate

[kind atlas]

now we need to wait an hour rip

i think the planner will show the incorrect number. but at least we know

[atomic vapor]

the reason why my calculation threw me off initially is because I keep forgetting that "increased" means, increase it by the % and add it to the base value

so 305% increased for 3 is 12.15

not 9.15

and somehow that stupid idol brought the crit% to exactly 92%

at which point I was like wait that doesn't sound right it should be a lot more indeed

anyway idk hope that helps lol

[kind atlas]

see what planner says when it updates

[atomic vapor]

it did and yeah, bug

it calcs the main hand

[kind atlas]

awesome. sorted!

thanks

[atomic vapor]

haha no problem

[kind atlas]

hang on wait, your mainhand is a 12% now, not your old 10% one

[atomic vapor]

like I said, that planner was copied off my build at the time

I've swapped daggers since

[kind atlas]

but its still calculating it from the mh, not the oh then. in game, in planner, everywhere.

[atomic vapor]

no ingame it gets calculated from the OH

don't let that 101% confuse you like I said I had a crit chance idol on

see? 106% with 13% and the same idol as the planner

[kind atlas]

have you got another 12% one to put in offhand to see if number goes down in game?

[atomic vapor]

we already know it goes down because when I equipped the 10% it dropped to 92% (88% without that idol)

[kind atlas]

hm. what about 10% mh with 13% offhand like before. that should be 106% if its working correctly right?

[atomic vapor]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9818955245432289709/D1337E88DD8C4CE6C2905E2D3ADDEA0646A4C468/

does this embed

of course it doesn't

anyway there you go

[kind atlas]

yeah it doesnt, but link worked

so working in game 100%

but planner will take mh for calcs

[atomic vapor]

also how come the planner shows exact stats for you? it still shows ranges for me when I click it

wait

[kind atlas]

you can choose actual

[atomic vapor]

oh really

I had no idea, interesting

[kind atlas]

yeah i cant remember if it takes actual or average by default

[atomic vapor]

I'm gonna make a copy of my current planner for future reference even through I'm still missing a 3lp dagger and belt

[kind atlas]

getting a 13% dagger that rolls high implicit and +2dex, then getting 3 lp on it. pain

[atomic vapor]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGr4zk4Q

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (15) / Marksman (16) / Falconer (62)

General:

▸ Health: 2,338, Regen: 26.6/s
▸ Mana: 281.77, Regen: 14.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 48%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 201 Dex / 24 Int / 24 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 79% / 75% / 71% / 76%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 56%, Threshold: 749
▸ Dodge Chance: 45% (1662)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,120)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 100%

Used skills:

Falconry / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades / Dive Bomb

[atomic vapor]

it's easier than it sounds

the to skills is a 50% roll and the crit is a 25% roll

compare it to worldsplitter

30-52% on two rolls

[kind atlas]

would you divine them before or after 3lp?

[atomic vapor]

always before