🔪┃rogue

[woeful ether]

well i didn't start crafting those other gloves yet and

[sage canyon]

@flint turret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qkkckx-yC0 ty for advice, the cook is working

budget 25 mil dps and decent tankiness

with more gear and 2 red rings will be insane

[flint turret]

i thought you are talking about fang build that caught me offguard

attack speed is a huge multiplier

try to get it wherever you can

[atomic vapor]

@woeful ether

we can all agree that is indeed an ornate idol

[flint turret]

abby relic for frenzy, attack speed on gloves +reen, shred maybe from passive or idol or amulet suffix (multi is not that valuable you have tons already)
+4 skills to cascade on gear, also get 1 point in throwing dagger in cascade

smoke instead of umbrals might be worth

i was messing a bit with cascade ll planners, ended up with something like this as an experimental https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qn4KgGKo

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Rogue (30) / Bladedancer (67) / Falconer (14)

General:

▸ Health: 2,429, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 188.16, Regen: 11.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 118%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 12 Dex / 10 Int / 1 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 196% / 59% / 59% / 75% / 71% / 76%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 36%, Threshold: 486
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (202)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,109)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

Used skills:

Shift / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Cascade / Synchronized Strike / Dancing Strikes

[woeful ether]

idk if you meant the inc effect but relic gives haste not frenzy

[woeful ether]

are you even gonna make another build?

[flint turret]

nihilis gives frenzy

relic is for more attacks speed yes

[sage canyon]

im doing budget ver cant use uber

why do we need +4 to cascade?

[round depot]

anybody tried Path of Building ?

[sage canyon]

there are no points to take

[flint turret]

there are plenty

[atomic vapor]

if I manage to finish my rogue sure I guess

but lich is more likely than erasing strike

I got a 4lp ladle and like 5 stygian coals with 2lp

[flint turret]

aoe, throwing a dagger, sjhadow on kill, crit multi, even phys dmg buff

[woeful ether]

@atomic vapor do you have inc dmg while wield dagger on your filter too? it rolls up to the same as throwing

[sage canyon]

is dagger good tho i dont have any throw scaling

i can take +2 on chest instead of dmg per shadow

hmm

[flint turret]

it doubles your armor shred stacks on boss

[sage canyon]

oh im capped with 1 idol

120 stacks

🤔

[flint turret]

i see

[sage canyon]

i took 100% duration

[flint turret]

well, it also can be used as a manacost reduction

with a ring affix

but you are spamming dancing so i guess its doesnt matter as much

[atomic vapor]

yeah but I'm done with those

I got two good ones

I'll farm humbles now

[sage canyon]

im think i can go instead of t5 shred on gloves t5 attack speed and t7 shred on amulet and not take idol affix so its 15% as+60% dmg(idol) vs 59 crit multi

[flint turret]

twisted then maybe?

[sage canyon]

res are pain

i can try but idk

itll be 1lp

[flint turret]

armor bless to phys res bless maybe

all res to avoid

suffixes on idols to eleres

[sage canyon]

hmm u dont take flow stuff

not worth?

[undone dune]

are you using 4 unique skills?

that video looked like you were just holding down synch strike

[flint turret]

have no idea i didnt end up building it its just a sketch

[sage canyon]

hmm im using 3

ye maybe its useless ill check

sadly i need umbral for mana sustain

otherwise i could use smoke bomb

[flint turret]

really?

[sage canyon]

yee its really close

i can try without umbrals with 1 more mana regen affix

[flint turret]

but smoke basically gives you mana too

by making shadows you consume for mana

[sage canyon]

hmm from what i heard the cascade is bugged and even if you have 5 shadows it still gets 4 shadow bonus

thats why i was avoiding using bomb shadows

[flint turret]

you can snapshot it with 4 shadows

[sage canyon]

mm how>

[flint turret]

and use it while you have 5

afaik

[sage canyon]

ye

[flint turret]

just use sync

[sage canyon]

thats a bug no?

[flint turret]

and manuallky cascade

and then dont manually cast cascade at all

[flint turret]

have no idea, its been like that ever since i started playing in 0,9, might as well consider it a feature by now

[sage canyon]

KEKW

[flint turret]

at least they returned the reen stacks for triggered skills

so it works again now for this build

cascade and chakram deserves much higher pupularity than it has currently, too bad almost no one plays them

even more so for throwing cascade

it has such a good clear

[sage canyon]

ok i tested flow and seems like it counts indirect use of cascade

gives me 50% speed

[flint turret]

interesting

[verbal pier]

@atomic vapor after I change glove and some blessing I reach 29m Umbral with 100 stacks DS

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0JD1qPo

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (25) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (52)

General:

▸ Health: 2,173, Regen: 52.4/s
▸ Mana: 245.51, Regen: 11.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 61%, Regen: 19/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 191 Dex / 23 Int / 23 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 86% / 80% / 81% / 102% / 106% / 83% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 26%, Threshold: 435
▸ Dodge Chance: 52% (2029)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,926)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Dive Bomb / Falconry / Aerial Assault / Umbral Blades / Smoke Bomb

[flint turret]

attack speed is super good for cascade so its def worth then

[trail pumice]

jesus, that's crazy @verbal pier

[woeful ether]

huh my first double t7 helm is a triple exalt lmao

[vernal zealot]

https://youtu.be/y8X2TMYymtk?si=L6EVIMw_1vlupGv- new comfy video just dropped any translators

[sick ivy]

i tried the glacier helmet for my bd build, the glacier manacost is very annoying. so i opted out of it.

[flint turret]

Yeah I know, I'm just used to not have evade at all wearing crab

So unless I don't rely on frenzy from nihilis I don't really care about not using evade

[atomic vapor]

yeah that's giga. I'm missing throw on helm and relic, I'll check how much I can reach soon. and our difference is very visible which makes 100% sense

if you're at 25-30 uber and I'm at 38

what I'm lacking is flat throw

but yeah nothing that can't be chased

[sage canyon]

also do u have any idea if cascade proc from dancing strike has any effect on the build, im testing with and without cant tell at all

cause your next sync strike procs all shadows anyways

it does technically give u one manual shadow cascade per second or so

[flint turret]

Its not manual, it's triggered

[sage canyon]

well ye triggered

but overall its like +1 cascade to already 8 existing per second

so ig its decent

[flint turret]

It would be better with smoke, so you could either trigger shadows with sync or dancing, because dancing costs way less mana

Also with shadow on kill with cascade

You are basically dancing, killing stuff with triggered cascade and trigger more cascades without sync even

[sage canyon]

hmm i tried fitting in smoke bomb and you need to give up helm dmg affix for t7 mana efficiency

without umrals

and then t7 mana regen on amulet

[flint turret]

It matters more for non ll setups I guess because they have harder time to regain mana

[sage canyon]

so its a lot of dmg lost

[flint turret]

Well there are multiple ways to play cascade, gonna find what's fitting you better

[sage canyon]

ye ill test more bomb is huge especially for uber

maybe i give up +mana cost node on dancing strike

[flint turret]

Yeah silver and 80 flat is pretty good

[slate mulch]

for acid flask builds why is the chosen delivery system using a dragonsong bow and explosive traps

vs. simply manual casting acid flask?

if the main mechanism for dmg is flask it seems like simply casting the flask itself would cut the middleman out

[sage canyon]

OKKK i did it!

managed some gear swaps and now full dmg on helm/amulet and still taking smoke bomb

[flint turret]

Nice

[sage canyon]

and shred blessing too

changed to exalt ring

to get str

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/ai1wc0sr#2

[flint turret]

why? you already have shred on sync

and why str

[sage canyon]

for some armor

idk i tested without blessing and i was sitting on 5 stacks avarage

not 10

🤔

[flint turret]

maybe move some points from AS on sync to shred+aoe then

or foreshadowing maybe

probably foreshadowing

i dont like that exalted ring at all (

[sage canyon]

hahah well idk what else to put there u need res and mana regen

🤣

[flint turret]

red ring maybe

or font even

[sage canyon]

on aspirational ya im going double rr

will be much easier

2rr+uber relic

[flint turret]

yeah

id probably use crab but thats me

overall this planner is much more closer to glass cannon on the tankiness scale than what i usually play, but its not necesserily a bad thing

[sage canyon]

with dancing strike u get plenty of tankines

and its a budget setup

with rr+uber+more hp its way tankier

[flint turret]

yeah

id probably use boulder gloves instead

in a budget planner

or erased with good rolls on cof

and twisted

[austere atlas]

hes testing lightning, fire, and cold damage

[flint turret]

and crab or siphon

and last steps

[austere atlas]

looks like hes just trying to make cold damage work for fun?

[austere atlas]

today i might try to do bleed dive bomb falcon cuz im pretty sure its rly good

[vernal zealot]

Freezing ua sounds like a laugh tbh

[austere atlas]

yeah ive tried it it wasnt very good

i just slapped this theoretical build together, thoughts? lmao https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOgd23JB

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (22) / Marksman (12) / Falconer (59)

General:

▸ Health: 1,998, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 226.32, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 194 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 75% / 75% / 57% / 57% / 76% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 400
▸ Dodge Chance: 39% (1370)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (859)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Net / Falconry / Aerial Assault / Dive Bomb / Smoke Bomb

[austere atlas]

probably a lot of things wrong with it

curious what u think @flint turret instead of going sync strike for 2 more shadows, im staying with 3 shadows but trying to maximize bleed sources (through aerials caltrops, double net, and net caltrop) to hit the 30% more damage multiplier from the bleed stacks. tons of phys pen (blood roost huge bleed pen) and something i really like about net is it gives 10% more damage buff. net wasnt stronger than decoys crit multi on umbral, but with bleed it could be better than sync strike

[undone dune]

AHHHHHHH its teh wrong rogue champ affix

open prefix, t7 attribute everything

CDR base

[vernal zealot]

Create a filter for champion affix and just highlight mirage champions

Bonus points for goodge base like that too

[undone dune]

oh im well aware

thats just the closet i ever got to the actual drop I want

can turn int into dex easily enough

[woeful ether]

is this too shit to use

[bold brook]

You got max roll dr and 9 all stats, I would say it's fantastic

[thorn cipher]

whats the correct value of crit vuln's inc chance to be critically struck? marksman says 2% and bladedancer says 5%

[cobalt mantle]

2%

[thorn cipher]

ty

[inner stone]

hey zzz - hope you dont mind the ping from the past. maybe im misunderstanding this post from yesterday but it looks like you said to try and get exalted cooldowns affix on gloves with shadows sealed? i got my first + shadows piece, but i cant put cooldown on it anywhere. the gloves have an open prefix slot if you (or anyone) has and idea what next best affix would be. they also have cold res, freeze rate and health regen so its a pretty free rune of removal and start over piece

[lapis glacier]

silly question , does +melee fire dmg on my dagger improve my fire acid flask damage?

[inner stone]

fire damage and melee fire are different scalars - so from my understanding, no

[cobalt mantle]

No, acid flask is not a melee attack. It doesn't need to be a fire melee attack to get added fire melee, but it does need to be a melee attack.

[austere atlas]

cooldown gloves, the one with the implicit. it can go up to 12% cooldown, its not something u add to the glove

prefix for gloves depends on what build ur going, itll be DEX + something else

[inner stone]

Thank you!

[atomic vapor]

I have one of these with the exact same %

But I can't crit cap with it

[minor locust]

this node gets "melee stun chance" too?

[spare folio]

what is the most efficient recurve chance for heartseeker?

[minor locust]

also i'm curious about the interation between this and gaping wounds node

i mean the remaining bleed stacks consumed will get the boost of the stun chance?

(sry falconer is my least played spec, i actually never played it)

[stoic shadow]

@verbal pier Hey, whats ur skillrotation?

[thin quartz]

dex

[spare folio]

nah i mean, you get about +90% via the tree including the dex node, so i was wondering if its worth stacking recurve on items

none of the heartseeker builds ive seen bother to do that

[thin quartz]

not worth because there's better stats to get since its on prefix.

[verbal pier]

smoke - dive bomb - aerial assault - repeat

[stoic shadow]

so u never use falconry, just have it on bar?

and why dive before aerial? i dont know these things sorry 😛

[verbal pier]

because I used dagger so falconry only for converting dmg / crit chance / crit multi / ailment chance for falcon

[verbal pier]

aerial reduce ur divebomb CD

[stoic shadow]

ahh i see, thank you"

[sick ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZE8MS03Jbw uhhh

[atomic vapor]

That build looks amazing for mapping

[flint turret]

@zenith bridge someone took your manastaking DA meme build further

[minor locust]

You ignored my question you are evil

😢

[zenith bridge]

I dont like this offline trend lately, but still fun to see:)
Lightning with shock/shred would even make the number higher i guess.

Ah its cold/lightning mixed anyways

[flint turret]

and a bit of fire too. coulkd have added a bit more fire from heatseeker too

ans used elemental damage on rings instead of cold

[rugged pollen]

looking at the planner of this video

and ppl used to say my planner has unrealistic items lol

[flint turret]

if this is the actual planner that was used in the video, then its more than fine because it can get tons more stats from idols and blessing

[rugged pollen]

or maybe the dude who made the video already filled his idols pack already

but cba to put them in the planner

[flint turret]

the video shows 1795 mana and the maxrolled planner has 1778 mana withouyt blessing and idols

so id say the amount of mana in the video is pretty realistic

dunno about other stats tho

[sick ivy]

i mean few double t7s, even if those werent double t7 i doubt it would make a huge difference

[rugged pollen]

invidually? sure

all of those combined? big difference

[woeful ether]

not even with crit chance blessing?

[astral iron]

i cant see my divebomb and aerial assault tool tips, how to fix?

[atomic vapor]

(I don't wanna give up the multi I'm greedy)

[sage canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh0j3nNQbzM optimized setup now 6-7k ward and capped gb

[flint turret]

nice, have you tried uber yet?

[sage canyon]

doing now

😰

hahah

[flint turret]

last phase might be rough for ward

but damage is good so might as well be okay with laser placement

[sage canyon]

i have a lot of dm g dot mitigations we wills ee

dancing is 20+20 then ll and crimson

[flint turret]

lasers dint have dot tag tho

have no idea how game calculates it tbh

i mean if dot mitigation applies to it or not, because it cant be blocked with majasa for example

and its not a hit either

maybe only res works against it and general "less damage taken"

[sage canyon]

weirdd

[flint turret]

yeah

pools have dot tag

[vernal zealot]

lets gooo

[cloud coral]

From few videos which I see, I observed that falconer control is not easy, maybe you know any manuals or content which helped you to learn how to play effective with this known for damage build?

[vernal zealot]

hold buttons down thats it really

[undone dune]

control does feel a bit janky at first due to the held down skills interupting movement

but you get used to it

[vernal zealot]

It honestly kinda gets harder the more dmg you do too lmao

Also i was just checking on UA and im getting up to 180 dusk shroud stacks

[woeful ether]

i hit 180 at one point but realistically it's like 80-120 during most of the fight i found dunno if it's just positioning diff

can maintain 150 if he's really nice

[vernal zealot]

Its mostly just moving as minimal as possible

[woeful ether]

figured it's my smoke bombs with controller vs kbm

looks good tho

[vernal zealot]

Keep him north east so you can get the 1st and 2nd harby to jump over, im on controller

[woeful ether]

rly

i do try

[undone dune]

did you put a t7 mana mod on somewhere?

[vernal zealot]

Its like 80% the time i survive the first time shatter lol

[undone dune]

i cant get past like 140

[vernal zealot]

Im gonna go t7 mana t7 dex on helm i think

[woeful ether]

this was my fastest run sorry for yt vid audio.
no mana rolls

[vernal zealot]

Very clean

[undone dune]

crazy

you do drop to 0 for a second after the 1st harbinger then climb instantly back up to 180

[woeful ether]

when it felt like a super fast run i took the shadowplay lol

[vernal zealot]

The only slight improvement you could make is standing a little bit more left waiting for 2nd harby so your in smoke bomb

[undone dune]

so thats like a ~40 second kill overal?

[vernal zealot]

But thats like insanely clean

[woeful ether]

yeah i tried but i wasn't really paying attention

did so much regular abby to farm for the uber key so brain was off

[woeful ether]

think so? idk when times start but pretty nice

[vernal zealot]

Can i see your planner?

Im guessing your around the same dex as me

[undone dune]

yeah im not sure when time starts either, i generally start timing as he reaches the bottom of the steps but he is still mostly immune for a few seconds at that point

[woeful ether]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9rqy8bB pretty sure your build is miles ahead of mine

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (26) / Falconer (59)

General:

▸ Health: 1,948, Regen: 31.74/s
▸ Mana: 274.05, Regen: 15.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 46%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 166 Dex / 23 Int / 23 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 91% / 91% / 91% / 115% / 101% / 99% / 109%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 565
▸ Dodge Chance: 46% (1718)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,318)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[vernal zealot]

ohhh your traitors

[woeful ether]

i did find that a lot of runs he dropped from like 80 to 64 and that was super weird. like it wasn't smooth dps

is traitors that much more than talons?

[undone dune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vernal zealot]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/i_grief_alot/character/heartsook

[undone dune]

i like the talons CDR but mana might be a better way to do it

[vernal zealot]

we are pretty much same kill speed my pc is dogshit though so cant record

[undone dune]

218 dex 💀

[woeful ether]

if i have time/want to i might farm out a talon version

[undone dune]

could honestly drop dex on gloves completely for throwing damage if you cant find +2 dex somewhere

[vernal zealot]

bad shattered, 1 off on red ring and havent finished campaign lmao

very easily hit 220

[woeful ether]

its 0 fp i think

[undone dune]

ahh yeah

upgrading shatered would do it easy

[vernal zealot]

gonna get better shattered>then focus on fixing helm

go for t7 dex t7 mana on helmet for the cd

[woeful ether]

also you aren't res capped?

cold/light

or do people not care about it

[undone dune]

he is also using the crit avoidance blessing insteaad of the res blessing

so i assume its a swap on/off thing

[woeful ether]

ohh

[vernal zealot]

i'll be honest i didnt notice that lol

very optimised build here guys lmao

[woeful ether]

did get this last night. thankfully both my red rings are 5

[undone dune]

both of my rings are +4 :*(

[woeful ether]

i made sure to reroll this one with my dead rings lol

[undone dune]

i sacrificed 8 bricked redrings on the reroll echo and never got +5 on either

[woeful ether]

lucky 8 ms too 😍

[undone dune]

before slamming +16 dex

[woeful ether]

rip

[undone dune]

now i cant really reroll them because the dex might go to 14

[vernal zealot]

insane rng lol

[undone dune]

RNG really not nice to me this season

[woeful ether]

all the other stuff i got ready last night to try finish today

honestly the 1 lp perf relic might be better than the 2 lp one

[undone dune]

yeah that 2lp shattered worlds looks really good, for some other build that doens't care about the crit as much

[woeful ether]

i might be able to cap crit still with chance instead of multi not sure

[vernal zealot]

how are u guys calculating crit?

[woeful ether]

char sheet

[undone dune]

LET is good at crit

only time it struggles is with funny stats like dragonsongs fire skill crit

but for throwing LET is fine

[woeful ether]

hmm let says i have 90% crit but ingame says 104

[undone dune]

are you using the average or the actual tab?

and are you applying buffs?

[woeful ether]

actual

no i'm also standing in town

[undone dune]

🤔

its always been 100% accurate for me

[woeful ether]

oh it says i'm using the 10% crit traitors

how tf do you place traitors? higher crit in main or offhand?

[undone dune]

higher crit in offhand is all that matters afaik

[woeful ether]

LET

but 13 is offhjand

🤷

[vernal zealot]

apparently im only 86% lol

[undone dune]

oh

[woeful ether]

whats your char sheet in game say?

[undone dune]

i see that too

looks like LET has a bug with traitor's tongue

thats the nice thing about talosn too though, 15% crit instead of 13%

makes it slightly easier to cap

[lime shoal]

Hey guys, building up a Falconer for Uber. Y’all look like experts and there’s not a real guide out post 1.2.5. Any chance you can review my gear and build to see what I still need to clear uber? The damage feels abysmal currently. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGl8Xddo

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (62)

General:

▸ Health: 1,738, Regen: 33/s
▸ Mana: 125.2, Regen: 12.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 51/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 180 Dex / 14 Int / 14 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 79% / 87% / 102% / 97% / 91% / 96%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 348
▸ Dodge Chance: 52% (1885)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,526)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[undone dune]

although you do lose a ton of multi

[vernal zealot]

i can probably fix my crit with the enchanted i think

[undone dune]

theres also small idols with crit+avoidance iirc

[woeful ether]

your bottom grand is trash
take plumed dagger in aa
max out smoke blades in smoke bomb

[undone dune]

you are using umbral blades gear but divebomb passives

[woeful ether]

tbf i did uber with 1lp slams and dive bomb passive but umbral skills so skill issue tbh

[undone dune]

its also super easy to fix

so i always mention it

[woeful ether]

oh yeah. i just think the few passives to swap don't actualyl add up to much

[vernal zealot]

hmmm if i crit cap i can drop the crit vunerability tbh

[undone dune]

its like 11% more damage in teh falconer tree

[vernal zealot]

and get the exantuinating strike

[woeful ether]

well for 4 points at least with the slow node

[undone dune]

+16% more damage if you use concentration

[woeful ether]

crit vuln gives base crit doesn't it? you don't want to drop it

[undone dune]

divebomb does crit vuln for free

and i dont think LET factors that in

[vernal zealot]

yeah i got 1 point in crit vuln rn, so if im 89% crit without factoring it in

[undone dune]

no crit vul n is just +20% chance to crit after everythign else

so 80% is capped if you apply a ton of crit vuln which really only happnes for bosses

[woeful ether]

okay so not base crit but +20% after reads like flat crit which is still more powerful than inc crit chance

[vernal zealot]

conquered tower prison time

[undone dune]

yeah it just wont scale with increases

[woeful ether]

yeah i'm not able to make it add crit vuln

LET doesn't even have crit vuln stacks

[vernal zealot]

just checking my stats in game too and im almost 200% glancing so ive basically got 5 dead nodes rn

[undone dune]

yeah dusk shroud gives glancing blow too

you dont need any on the tree

[woeful ether]

wait you can hit 220 now if you finish campaign and actually max this

[vernal zealot]

yeah im gonna do that now, should be insane dmg increase

[undone dune]

idk about insane

its just 1 more explosion

but it will be nice

[vernal zealot]

yeah lol by insane maybe shave off 1sec lmao

[undone dune]

sounds more reasonable

[vernal zealot]

will swap blessing for ele res too since im not even close to cap

[undone dune]

just become 100% reliant on blind like me

its not good but it is effecient

bonus points if you actually get blind on your quiver and arn't relying on only smokebomb

[woeful ether]

blind on hit is the way i plan on going

i guess i never saw smoke bomb blinds

[undone dune]

you will die a lot more in echos to random offsscreen champions pouncing on you and getting random crits

[undone dune]

did you know it also gives you haste

[vernal zealot]

I have barely played this build on echoes at all tbh

Legit do all farming on erasing strike

[woeful ether]

my echo deaths are smoke bombing next to like 5 champs and a void mage and one slaps me once and i didn't dodge it

[woeful ether]

i do now

[woeful ether]

really wish they didn't have 90% dialogue while farming reg abby

does haste even affect falconer

[undone dune]

no

you have haste due to shatterd worlds

[woeful ether]

wait i was thinking about frenzy

[undone dune]

oh

[woeful ether]

that one i knew. perma haste feels great

[undone dune]

i dont think frenzy on you does much

i dont think AA or smokebomb scale with it and everything else is instant

frenzy does boost synch strike speed though

[woeful ether]

ooh yeah speaking of synch strike i was looking that it has that node that gives +2 shadows... instead of the decoy -> crit multi tech can't you synch strike for 2 extra shadows for even more dusk shrouds?

[undone dune]

the +2 shadows are funny

[vernal zealot]

Do you have to do the entire act 9 for the passive or can you shortcut that too

[undone dune]

this node means synch strike will always make 4 shadows regardless of your max

[sage canyon]

uber is dumb,i died 99% of times from shadow cascade or shift jumping into some aoe cause they always jump to max distance

[undone dune]

but it doesn't like give you more max shadows or let you go above your max shadows

[woeful ether]

oh the skill itself makes +2 not +2 max

damn

[undone dune]

divebomb can use that node and bloodroost instead of +1 shadows gloves

basically

but they dont stack

[vernal zealot]

The more i do uber the more i actually realise how bad the fight was designed lol

[undone dune]

the only interesting part of the fight is the repeating beams that need to be baited

the rest of the fight is so jank

[woeful ether]

the effects last way too long so they're too overlapping

and maybe it's bc falconer does so much dmg but feels like there's also not cues to know what attack is coming

i get blasted by the dumb void/fire line way too many times

[undone dune]

he has voice lines

yeah that ability is dumb

[woeful ether]

he also keeps tlaking about taking down gods or w/e

as he phases

[undone dune]

and the animation he does for it looks way to much like a flail slam

[woeful ether]

i think just the charge, 3x slam, and fire dot are the best telegraphed?

[undone dune]

also druid/voidknight being able to kill him in <10 seconds is silly

[vernal zealot]

If you kll 300 corruption majasa it should count as completing campaign

Change my mind

[undone dune]

just do temporal sanctum and then act 9 it cant take that long

[vernal zealot]

Im at majasa dialoguing now

[undone dune]

that needs to be skippable tbh

BTW what did you do for passive points/idols?

[woeful ether]

can you only campaign skip on alts? or is it possible on first char

[undone dune]

i dont get max passives/idols until 2/3s of the way through act 9 on alts

[undone dune]

i campaign skip 1st char

but its different

[vernal zealot]

I campaign skip as early as possible and then go back and so whatever i need tbh lol

[woeful ether]

tf how

[undone dune]

you play all the way through to act 7, as soon as you have full passives (but not idols) you go to monos

[woeful ether]

i tried looking it up before starting this season but it's not easy like d3

[undone dune]

as soon as you get a temporal key you use it ot finish up act 9

[woeful ether]

oh interesting

[undone dune]

you can actually leave (the campaign) a little earlier than that

if you feel strong enough

thats kind of based on feeling and class though

you do need to get to act 9 asap though to join an item faction

[vernal zealot]

220 dex gang

[undone dune]

the funny thing about campaign skip though is that I havn't killed campaign lagon since patch 0.8

[woeful ether]

this season i didn't die to campaign lagon but planked really hard at mono lagon idk why it was strange

[spare folio]

has anyone tried doing a DOT heartseeker build?

the only builds i can find seem to be for fire or cold (non-DOT)

[vernal zealot]

Can you guys get abby down past 64% before first harby?

That seems to be my hard limit

From timeshattering-64% 1st harby

[woeful ether]

pretty sure that's the immune threshold

[undone dune]

its suppozed to be

but ive seen 1 shots

[woeful ether]

yeaa idk how that works lmao

[atomic vapor]

How's everyone

[woeful ether]

#🔪┃rogue message check out all my upgrades waiting 😎

red ring above

[atomic vapor]

Dude that's giga, big congrats

I was a little busy today with work

Didn't get to blast

[woeful ether]

yeah think i'm gonna have to take a break bc my fingers feel a bit stiff even with controller. going out of town this weekend anyway so that should help

[atomic vapor]

Just remember it's not like you're on a deadline, when you let yourself feel pressured, the fun goes away. We blast when we can blast, that's how irl goes

Ain't no need to rush especially this far into the endgame

[woeful ether]

oh i don't feel pressured. it's starting to ache because of all the blasting hah

[atomic vapor]

That's a good ache then, productive sesh 🙏

I can't blast with bad vibes, I need my gaming to feel good

[vernal zealot]

Yo george, hit my boots on 2nd try they are kinda deadge roll compared to yours though

[atomic vapor]

yoo congrats, it took me an embarrassing amount of boots

thank god the helm won't be a gamba

hope it doesn't take me too many days

[vernal zealot]

Ooo what are you going form

[atomic vapor]

ideally dex, throw on dual wield, health % and I think ele res

I got it imprinted with purple dex and purple ele res

we shall see what rngesus decides

[vernal zealot]

Nice have you got a 4lp?

I was talking to a guy yesterday about imprinting and he brought up a good point

[atomic vapor]

yes but I might try to get a second one with +5, because I think I'm gonna try to farm a 2lp core of the mountain for shenanigans

[vernal zealot]

If you want double t7 prefix you are better imprinting double t7 suffix with ideally 0177

Cause you can despair>craft the other and prayge on havoc

Obviously its luck getting a base like that off nem

[atomic vapor]

oh yeah that's what I'm shooting for, but having one of the prefixes imprinted as the one you want effectively is the same thing

I wish the throw was the purple one because class affixes are rarer as a baseline

but I'm not complaining

[trail pumice]

I am doing good George, PC blue screen 7 times, took the side panel off and it's not happened since. How are you mate ☺️

[atomic vapor]

may I suggest a compressed air bottle 😔

or you can do it at a gas station

[trail pumice]

My PC is clean, I cleaned it 5 days ago lmao

[atomic vapor]

oh no... fans?

[trail pumice]

All fans are running perfectly fine, it may be my PSU

But I have not blue screened today so keeping my fingers crossed

[atomic vapor]

are you sure? because the lid off fixing it would most likely be due to air circulation

if your psu had tanked, it'd persist

[trail pumice]

That is actually true thinking of that, maybe my front fans have finely giving up after 7 years lmao 🤣

[atomic vapor]

yeah I genuinely think that's the primary suspect 😭

you might wanna run a diagnostics tool

or get what's it called wait a second

AIDA or HWinfo

both should work

I think the latter is freeware on git

should show you your fan speed

if you see wonky numbers, there's your suspect ratted out

[trail pumice]

I'll do just now, all fans are running but may just be done

[atomic vapor]

yeah it's not a binary thing, a fan may simply be running slower if it's worn out

[trail pumice]

thank you @atomic vapor how are oyu today?

[atomic vapor]

just got back home from work man, I'll be a wreck until I grab a bite

[trail pumice]

oh nice, busy day today?

[atomic vapor]

when is it not, right?

[trail pumice]

true. i have 3 daughter and the oldest kid has constant FOMO and doesn't leave you alone all night

Okay found the issues, my back fan is running at 500rpm so that's done

[atomic vapor]

man that sounds like a pain, stay strong in there 😭

[trail pumice]

3 of my fans are all running at very low Rpm, but they have survived for about 7 years off non stop gaming so time to order new ones, thank you for the help @atomic vapor

[atomic vapor]

no problem, be glad that your problem was a very obvious to troubleshoot haha

[trail pumice]

Yeah I know, thankfully

[slate mulch]

is there a better way to get a soul gamblers fallacy and farm it

than spamming soul foundry echo 200x

[vernal zealot]

@atomic vapor have you got a doublle t7 ammy? Its like the only slot i dont seem to have 2x t7 for lol

[atomic vapor]

I think I have a couple but none are giga, let me take a look

[vernal zealot]

Im just after a base, another 30 towers and got 0

[atomic vapor]

not even a single throw, or even multi 😭

[vernal zealot]

Im actually considering doing exalted ammy proph tbh lol

[atomic vapor]

realistically, you'd have to go from 999999 to 0 to see one, I've done that before

max to 0, not a single double t7

felt like a waste

actually, more than max because you can't fill the entire tab in one go even with max cost

you need two rounds

[vernal zealot]

I wish you coulld target what you need exalted wise a little easier from nem

Instead of being disappointed when you see triple exalt sceptre lol

[atomic vapor]

I don't see a universe mike wouldn't consider that op lol

[vernal zealot]

Dropped a 6/7, might just cope with that tbh

Its just annoying to show on filter cause ive unselected double t6

[atomic vapor]

you don't have a rule for double t7 in general?

thank you rngesus finally oh my god

[vernal zealot]

Yeah i got a rule for double t7

But you cant make a rule for t7/t6 items right

Either gotta show t6/6 or 7/7

[atomic vapor]

not to my knowledge no

[vernal zealot]

So i would miss imprints if i didnt land an affix i have filtered

Kinda thing trying to do t7/t6 base

[atomic vapor]

gimme a second, let me check if bina has a solution

okay there is a way

but it's... interesting

you add two affix rules

which is not something I ever considered doing

not rules sorry conditions

[vernal zealot]

Ill test this now

The t6 overrides and shows all t6s

[atomic vapor]

are you sure you're doing it right. it's a single rule

what I posted is in the same rule

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11434002729991216045/4969CA2F0C001F7C7F0BD80A362B92C76A65769B/

[vernal zealot]

Ahhh i put it backwards, when i get out this tower ill drop amulet

[atomic vapor]

dwdw the screenshots were a little awkward, wasn't too clear my bad

[vernal zealot]

Perfect ty

Now you will just get to laugh when i eventually hit a t7/t6 nihils lol

[atomic vapor]

assuming I'll hit my 2lp nihilis with double t7, ever

(not gonna happen)

[vernal zealot]

My erasing duder has t7/T6 and i feel bad every time i look at it lol

[atomic vapor]

ES in general is incredibly annoying to gear

2lp WS is suprisingly crap to get when the roll ranges are so brutal

literally worse than talons

side note this is my new favorite thing and I feel dumb for never having had it slotted

with brew buff

very cool for mapping

[vernal zealot]

this was my first 2lp lol i found it so easy to gear xdd

[atomic vapor]

out there hitting a giga slam like it's nothing loool

[vernal zealot]

attack speed is -dps tbh

oom so hard sometimes

[atomic vapor]

from what I've played on my buddy's es

the sweet spot for 2 skill points in the echo node for ES

is around 1800 mana

[vernal zealot]

i didnt even know you could get that high lol

im 2/3 at 1.4k mana

[atomic vapor]

impossible without double mana on helm

iirc

also has maxrolled minor weaver

[vernal zealot]

bro completed the cemetary at this point

[atomic vapor]

we've been on a nasty grind all season long

[vernal zealot]

i hit burnout a few times this season haha, but gaming season so slow rn

[atomic vapor]

I like the more chill nature after the push

atp I'm just having fun

[vernal zealot]

watching poe1 announcement?

[atomic vapor]

I'll watch the replay later, I'm still not feeling warm about giving poe a shot after all these seasons. the trade aspect really puts me off sadly. I did watch a summary video of all the new qol though and I appreciate that they're finally getting some work done

[vernal zealot]

theyve adding forging potential lmao

insane

[atomic vapor]

isn't that a genuine nerf? seeing how poe had infinite rerolling but it was the currency that was expensive

unless they're making up for it with something

[vernal zealot]

in their own way

you can add a forging potential type of item to increase likelihood of higher tier mods

[atomic vapor]

is it a seasonal mechanic or that'll become baseline?

[vernal zealot]

baseline mechanic

so it just means you can start projects way better

[atomic vapor]

okay that's actually unironically giga

[vernal zealot]

3 new pinacle bosses too

absolutely cooking rn

[flint turret]

they should have probably focused on poe2 instead, poe1 is dead either way, unless they scramble poe2 entirely

[atomic vapor]

isn't the consensus the exact opposite, from what I understand people really dislike the base structure of the endgame gear chase

[trail pumice]

poe2 does not work at all on my pc

[flint turret]

it doesnt matter what people say when we have players numbers which show othervise

[atomic vapor]

the comparison isn't very fair currently, I think it'll be more interesting to see the retention after poe1 season's launch

and compare that to poe2's retention post 0.2 or whatever patch it is

[flint turret]

the fact that poe2 showed a x2.5 peak amount of players (alone on steam, probably much higher if we factor in everything) while being a pay-to-play instead of f2p is already telling everything you need to know when making investment decisions

poe1 is not entirely dead yet just because of the risk of reputation loss

[atomic vapor]

which means poe1 has no hopes of reaching that ballpark realistically

[flint turret]

yeah, pretty much

[atomic vapor]

it'll be very interesting to see whatever monetization changes take place when the supposed temporary price tag gets lifted. at this rate, with 0.2 having taken so long since EA release, and seeing how... that's quite a long way from a potential 1.0, there's gonna be a very established long term playerbase that did pay for the game, to which the future f2p tag will mean nothing

I'm not saying I expect them to go p2w but it's still a very awkward spot. on announcement, there were words of a 1.0 this summer which is obviously been long, long out the window, which later on changed to "it'll be ready when it's ready"

but that feels like it a so far away thing still that the game will end up carrying a price tag for a long time

to the point that a future f2p prospect won't mean a whole lot

it might even harm it, or maybe that's a stretch

[vernal zealot]

Poe1 and 2 are for different people

[flint turret]

realistically poe2 is much more new-player friendly than poe1 can ever be because of all those qol changes, so it bcame closer to d4\le\whatever auditory

[vernal zealot]

5k hours in 1, 3 hours in 2

[flint turret]

so it will be fine in a long run im pretty sure

[vernal zealot]

Very goodge league announcement

[atomic vapor]

I'm not against the idea of poe2 becoming a solid game eventually, however it doesn't change the fact that it has to cater to players that aren't simply new to the genre, if only for reputation purposes alone

[flint turret]

anyway im more interested in le development right now. Crafting gets better and better, cant wait for skill sigils too

[trail pumice]

LE has came along way

[atomic vapor]

same, that's a long way to go, and I'm pretty hopeful for the LE path of building that's cooking

[vernal zealot]

All arpgs are becoming very goodge

And thats a good thing for everybody

[trail pumice]

i have play since beta

[vernal zealot]

Imagine a time where all seasonal arpgs release one month after the other

[trail pumice]

i thought i missed season 1 but i just looked i didn't

[atomic vapor]

balance in LE might be a controversial topic, but I heavily appreciate all the systems they've been putting out

makes me hopeful for season 3

I also hope to see smaller nuances addressed, like how incredibly frustrating both item factions are to use

[vernal zealot]

The guarenteed slam feature was the best thing they have added

[atomic vapor]

3k favor for a maxed out ornate idol prophecy, have fun filling the tab up 5 times when maxed out on favor

[vernal zealot]

I remember missing 3 or 4 times on twisted hearts and just noped out

[atomic vapor]

I know mike said there needs to be downtime between maps here and there but...

I detest the prophecy screen

[flint turret]

yeah balance in LE is weird man. its so easy to bring down the numbers on broken skills but they are too afraid to do it. Still love le for the best ssf in any game ever

[vernal zealot]

Re roll.. re roll... re roll.... "fk i missed the one i was looking for"

[atomic vapor]

more like, reroll, mouseover, reroll, mouseover

and then the weird pricing differences

humble weaver? 15k

ornate? 3k

yes I get it, they're woven idols they cost more

but... oh my god

[vernal zealot]

Oh yeah idols are super deadge lol

[flint turret]

ux ui is terrible for both factions thats true

[atomic vapor]

I wanna write a very petty suggestion along the lines of "let me fill the entire tab with prophecies of one item type in one click and charge me double"

but that's just me being incredibly frustrated

[flint turret]

rolling general runes prophesies for havoc farming made me mald hard

[vernal zealot]

Honestly i feel the same for runes of ascendance too

Like i bet you guys have 1k+ right now

[atomic vapor]

fully agree it was horrendous

[vernal zealot]

Genuinely faster to imprint red rings than using ascendancy lol

[atomic vapor]

and the best part is how there's not even a sense of consistency between items that do make sense to be "similar"

belts? 8 a pop

boots? 24

w h y

[vernal zealot]

Cost for 4 belts and 8 belts is weird too right

[flint turret]

also there are no rare belt\helm prophesies

[atomic vapor]

and there's no prophecies for the triple shamans

[flint turret]

and rare relic too

[vernal zealot]

Ive found some prophs are giga weighted to not roll too

Exalted quivers is like 6x more re rolls than other weapons

Or feels that way

[atomic vapor]

daggers are absolutely horrible because somehow they feel the need to have rune daggers because "that'll help you unlock base crit"

but then rune daggers are what

4 a pop?

[flint turret]

i think they drop from "ranged exalted weapon" too tho

[vernal zealot]

I would of never of guessed that lol

Bro throwing his quiver at peoples heads

[flint turret]

im not 100% sure but i think they do

[atomic vapor]

also on that topic why are those daggers a prophecy specific thing and in the same sense, there's no crit unlock prophecies for other bases? is there one for say axes that are probably one of the most important ones

[flint turret]

all rare bases are pretty terrible, they are good only for exalted farming after you get rare into exalted buff from cof, except bone amulets, those are terrific. But they also fell of because we have swines now

void res gloves i guess are okay too..

[atomic vapor]

I can't hate the pig ammys too much honestly, it helps scale the endgame better than just "either dot/minion specific unique, or orian/nihilis"

even if the intent is mid tier, they scale well imo

[atomic vapor]

forgot about the second life one too I guess

but yeah the point stands

[flint turret]

i dont hate swine at all, its just it makes everything else almost pointless. you get 0lp, nemesis it into 1lp swine and you are good to go until you get really good rolled 1lp nihilis or omnis or whatever

[atomic vapor]

most of the time it's gonna jump straight to 2lp too, crazy lp level for an item with so many useful affixes

and the imprints on them pop like mad

[flint turret]

not really, lp lvl is pretty high for swine

[atomic vapor]

maybe I'm biased because of back when imprints were cracked

[flint turret]

LP2: 1 in 37

[atomic vapor]

that's when I farmed the fire one for HS

but I could swear I put multiple ones in there that popped out 2lp like it was nothing. basically every imprint that came out 0lp, the egg instantly took care of it

[flint turret]

wasnt the case for me

[silver agate]

I have a question about specifit build-rule for bladedancer, where most of bladedancer shadow cascade builds use shift a lot.
I dont see this being so important, unless its just because im still low corruption (got to 325 but die too often so got back a bit).

I get that shift is good mostly because of shadow cascade snapshot, where i can just use shift to cast shadow cascade with max shadows buff every time without loosing snapshotted buffs.

So it would be giant help, IF getting 4 shadow buff was a hard thing to do, then ofc we would want to use snapshotted cascade as many times as possible before getting shadow buffs again.

From what ilearned in practice tho, is that i want to cast synchronized strike all the time anyway, since it gives me allmost full HP and a lot of ward because of 4 shadows being created and used every 2 seconds .

Right now with only 30% cooldown reduction, my rotation is Sync strike > shift > sync strike > cascade > sync strike > cascade and back to shift, because its off cooldown after 2 cascades

And i cast sync strike before shift even with snapshotted cascade automatically, with muscle memory, because it heals more than potion and if i just got hit, i dont have time to think if i need healing or not xd

My only idea for usefullness of shift is if you are playing low hp build, then mana gain is so big you dont need to make those few hits with 150% speed buffed puncture

Because if not on lowhp build, if i remember correctly, shift cost the same or a bit more than 16 mana it gives on use, so its not a net-gain compared to just using cascade myself

So TLDR - am i missing something? I dont see how snapshotting cascade and using it with shift is important

[bold brook]

Shift can activate many good things, healing, dodge, cleanse, movespeed, kill threshold are a few beneficial ones.

It is also mana positive because you get the mana refund on top of Cascades mana refund. You can also use it to get more mana if you spec umbral blades properly

You also get more damage from the additional cascade (sync strike + cascade is 5 uses, sync + shift is 6)

[silver agate]

Ah, also was curious, when do those 2 passives work? both are multiplicative, so 1,2 * 1,3 = 56% more final damage which is huge, especially if its a difference between 1shotting a pack of thrashmobs and having to re-cast, which doubles mana usage

Is that used on the auto-use of cascade at the end of shift?

Or is it used on cascade that the shadows i left behing use? Not sure what is used first in order, since its all near instant

[bold brook]

Unfortunately the damage from Braskula doesn't work with the cascade that shift automatically uses

[silver agate]

It would be the worst if that was used on next skill after the shift-triggered-cascade, because then i can either repeat cascade again to use it, and loose snapshot, or normally cast synchronized strike, but it is not a damage ability so 56% damage buff is wasted then

If i am actually using that buff on my sinc strike since beginning, i might aswell unspec those passives xd

[bold brook]

Braskula can be useful to shorten the distance to make it easier to hit the same enemy with both cascades, but the damage portion is not useful for cascade

I personally don't use them

[silver agate]

i think you are right, it was useful on the very beginnign of endgame, with pre-corruption monolith

it actually was nice then, because i could 1shot thrashmob groups with just this single shift triggered cascade

Now that i have gear specced towards shadow damage, and also have synchronized strike passive that makes it create 4 shadows each of which does more damage than me (also the 5th one that i leave behing where i started shift does more damage with its cascade than me, tested on dummy) - then those are a total of 8 completely wasted points

I do have shift on actionbar, but thankfully i still do enought damage that i was able to 40% synchronized strike mana efficiency instead of another damage affix

So i just spam sync strike > shadow cascade untill all dead, and i need to get mana back up with puncture only every few groups

Another thing that i do kinda different than meta builds (probably also will be forced one way or the other on higher in higher corruption) is that i have both cascade and lethal mirage on my bar

For thrash mob groups, cascade is top choice, because all 4 shadows from synchronized strike, and me, hit ALL the mobs in range with all 5 cascades, which very rarely doesnt 1shot both thrash mobs and rare mobs

But lethal mirage seems very bad for that, because each mirage strikes 1 mob

on the other hand, for champion, and other single targets, 4 shadow mirage does like 3 times the damage than my many cascades in 1 place, i am immune during, and the best thing is that i can use it away from melee range on a boss

also instakill at 18%

[slate mulch]

Very cool looks like marksman can one shot uber aberroth with detonating arrow

Probably the fastest clear in the rogue class

I wonder if there is a proper all round build that can be built from it

[astral iron]

Op falconer level 99 less than 5 try

[slate mulch]

Dang and relic too it took me 12 clears before I got one

[astral iron]

both 1 Lp, but i aready have a few 2 LP xD

[silver agate]

That is super nice to hear!
I mean i play bladedancer anyway, but was worried that falconer is the only viable choice 😄

[sage canyon]

u can check my setup kills dummy in 40 sec on budget https://youtu.be/Jh0j3nNQbzM dancing strikes+flow+eye of reen scales damage of cascade to absurd numbers

[silver agate]

checking out right now!
Never suspected anyone actually uses dancing strikes with how little damage i saw it doung xd

[sage canyon]

its a full buffer+proc

shadow cascade is all your dmg

[silver agate]

Ah, i see now that you just snapshot cascade, and then using the buff that makes first attack of dancing proc it?

Is that doing more damage than proccing from shift?

or is it because shift has cooldown?

[sage canyon]

snapshot? i always cast cascade with 4 shadows

i spam sync it procs 4 shadows

then either next sync procs 4 cascades and creates 4 shadows

or dancing procs cascade from shadows

[slate mulch]

lol got uberroth to final phase on 1-2 LP acid flask gear, more damage than erasing strike at similar gear level

[sage canyon]

mm or falc?

[slate mulch]

MM

i only have 3k hp tho so i have to play pixel perfect or get one shot

fight would be extremely easy if i was 2-3 LP

[slate mulch]

i wonder though does the detonating arrow skill node for traps significantly boost damage?

[sage canyon]

check my kill, i abused shrouds, was easy kill

i tssted , da not worth

[slate mulch]

got it, i tried it specced vs unspecced and it felt somewhat clunky

[slate mulch]

yeah your kill was what got me to build it and try the build out in the 1st place, ty

[sage canyon]

it messes mana

[slate mulch]

i dont have a good pearl/soul gambler so im just using nihilis, lowkey it feels p good

[slate mulch]

yeah just 2-3 traps eats up the whole bar, hard to sustain even with MM passve tree and cinder

[flint turret]

But you can make da 0 mana

[sage canyon]

ye and itll do 0 dmg

but its 0 dmg on proc version even with explosion

idk, i tried for a week to make jelkor work too, DA is dead imo besides making it pseudo smelter wrath with full stacking charge mana stacking explosion

[sage canyon]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/ai1wc0sr#4 i also cooked health version of cascade will test tomorrow, looks really nice wish i could cap gb easier without dusk shrouds but dont see a way

[flint turret]

You can cap gb with 2 swords

How did your ward variant went with Uber?

[sage canyon]

painful but possible

sustain is low

i think itll be easier on life ward hybrid need to check if i can tank pizza on this setup

[flint turret]

Yeah, that's what I expected

[sage canyon]

tbf the only reason its so hard is cause of friggin shift and cascade stupid movement

its always max distance

[flint turret]

You are not really supposed to tank pizza, only sustaining on last phase matters

[sage canyon]

ye i know but if i can and proc the LL buff itll make kill way faster which is cool

[flint turret]

Makes sense

But you would need to have capped gb for sure

[sage canyon]

yee i have it capped with 3 dusk shrouds

which i get easy in combat

but still

[flint turret]

You swapped to swords?

[sage canyon]

nah

need crit

i convert dodge to gb

[flint turret]

How are you capping gb with only 3 dusk then

Ah

Yikes

[sage canyon]

ye no point keeping 40-50% dodge

u dont get hit in uber fight anyways

[flint turret]

Spinning blade

[sage canyon]

ye i would rather have gb against that

lol

[flint turret]

10 flat crit on a rainbow is not that far off

[sage canyon]

hmmmm

[flint turret]

And swords have better attack speed

Scissor is not bad too

[sage canyon]

gladiators isnt bad either

surprisingly

im not sure whats the point of its bonus tho

[flint turret]

Yeah crit doesn't seem useful

[sage canyon]

like arena is useless unless you invest in passive tree

and if you invest on passive tree then u already create it

so like????

ig its for 100% crit chance for people who dont invest into it

also hold up

its flat crit????

[flint turret]

Wording doesn't say increased, so I would assume it just maxes out your crit

I haven't used it tho

[sage canyon]

sounds nice i might test in uber fight

lol

the only reason i used tongue is to cap crit

but putting arena always might be pain

[flint turret]

Yeah

And you always trigger cascade on the first hit and arena is only on a 3rd

[sage canyon]

well from my testing in uber

u always want to put arena first anyways

to maximize dps

and spam sync after

[flint turret]

I see. Well, worth trying gladiator I guess

[sage canyon]

hahaha never thought i would touch that meme sword

[flint turret]

If it does crit cap you afterall, you can swap out a lot of crit chance for something more useful

[pine hatch]

Have U tried flurry instead of DS

U will get huge amount of crit

[sage canyon]

wdym?

[pine hatch]

For the shadow cascade build

[sage canyon]

yes but what crit

🤔

does it buff skills?

[flint turret]

Reen maybe? But it's capped now

[sage canyon]

i am using reen

[pine hatch]

From reen

[sage canyon]

ye im capped on reen

[pine hatch]

Oh fk

It's nerfed

[flint turret]

Buffed*

[sage canyon]

there are several reasons why im using ds

1. its a combo skill to abuse flaw tech which is great dps boost
2. it scales with cdr same as cascade which is amazing
3. it tripples my dmg
4. it gives tons of dr

and it procs cascade too

[pine hatch]

Yeh I know ur DMG looks insane

But as I was pushing corruption I felt like it's better to go without ds

[sage canyon]

why

its more tankiness so even better, no?

[flint turret]

Maybe because it slows you down?

[pine hatch]

Very hard to stay alive

[sage canyon]

well that is true but u dont need to spam it unless u need to, just shift +manual cascade/sync works just fine

and on objectives u put arena

and gg

i thought abt alternatives and not sure, maybe lethal mirage or smoke bomb, not sure how much those will add on high corruption tho

[flint turret]

Well, that's true. And your planner currently is mostly geared towards damage, it can get much more ehp in case of need

Stacking some dodge will boost ehp quite a bit

[sage canyon]

well i changed things for low life version i get 7k ward now so its better, but i think now life version is just way better

i can get 4-5k ward and 3.7k hp

will work on that tomorrow

[pine hatch]

For uber life is definitely better

[sage canyon]

well the thing is that it should be also doing more dmg despite losing 80% crit multi

will confirm after testing

but from quick math seems so

at least on my variation

[flint turret]

Dual swords for gb, %dodge on swords, some flat dodge from avoidance+stealth boots+belt maybe or something else+dodge blessing will boost ehp a lot

[sage canyon]

stealth boots are reallly nice i was thinking abt them too

idk

ill try to make a dodge variation too

[pine hatch]

Yeh but if you aren't aiming uber I would stay lowlife

[sage canyon]

wait why? 🤔

[flint turret]

Dunno, vise with hybrid hp life seems better overall

[sage canyon]

and what budget are we talking abt, i think with uber items low life pops off

but on budget life seems way better

[atomic vapor]

I was thinking about that, a mitigation piece for ward setups in s3 would be nice

They went from one end of the spectrum to the other

It's either 30k ward builds or health all the way with season 2

[flint turret]

Ravs and vise do mitigate ward damage

[sage canyon]

nah bd ward is fine, it just needs way more budget

[atomic vapor]

Is it even comparable though? What's the highest numbers it can get

[sage canyon]

im trying to make things work on lowest endgame option, so its a bit different

[flint turret]

6-8k realistically

[sage canyon]

ye thats without double t7

[flint turret]

Depending on the amount of reduction you also getting

[sage canyon]

i belive bd can do 10-12 with op gg gear

or even more

[flint turret]

I don't think it's worth. Better support ward with dodge than going all in on ward

Its much more ehp overall

[sage canyon]

i think u can do both 🤔

[flint turret]

And you have enough one-shot ehp with 7k ward anyway

[atomic vapor]

If shattered worlds wasn't so cracked, the julra relic would see more play

[sage canyon]

if we talking abt 2-3lp items with double t7

[flint turret]

Ah

Yeah probably then

[sage canyon]

use somnia

its OP

also aurora is amazing on LL

[flint turret]

I don't usually consider this lvl of gear obtainable

[sage canyon]

well after playing s2

its very much obtainable

lol

imo all uniques below 80 lpl are 2-3 lp with double t7 garanteed

[atomic vapor]

Yeah same

[sage canyon]

saw many people decking out builds like that

[atomic vapor]

That's exactly where I'm at rn

And it's been 2 months and I don't even blast all day

[sage canyon]

what are u playing?

[flint turret]

Considering I couldn't even slam 2lp row with t7/t5, I'm notfeeling like raising my expectations

[atomic vapor]

busted falc, but it doesn't matter

I mean getting gear wise

[sage canyon]

ah

[atomic vapor]

It doesn't matter what you play

Gear grind is the same

And yeah that's where I'm at

[sage canyon]

no i was just curious lol

[atomic vapor]

No yeah I went full meta servant, I work a lot summer season and I wanted to go all in on what's op

If I get a little more time for myself season 3 I'll try something more balanced

[sage canyon]

i want to kill uber on budget bd

just to prove people wrong

🤣

[flint turret]

What people

[atomic vapor]

Is it even that hard anymore? What's the wall ur hitting, last phase? Because it feels like the choreography is muscle memory at this point

If u can tank flail attacks, it's pretty much solved no?

[sage canyon]

u cant tank it on budget

[atomic vapor]

Damn, so you dodge every single thing?

[sage canyon]

maybe with hybrid u can, i tried only on LL so far

[atomic vapor]

Ok that actually sounds like a fun fight lmao

[sage canyon]

i can tank his auto attack

🤣

[atomic vapor]

Yeah that's what I meant flail hits. I didn't mean triple flail slam

Just the simple swings

As long as u don't gotta evade through his hitbox every single animation

[sage canyon]

ye its doable

[atomic vapor]

all in all ik ragu thinks the giga qol of season 2 is too op but honestly I think it's for the better because 1)it makes ssf not suck compared to trade and 2)if you can grind double t7 2-3lps, then you can make the weakest builds work ladder

[flint turret]

There are 2 types, there is also an overhead slam that can't be tanked unless super high ehp

[sage canyon]

^

easy to avoid tho

[atomic vapor]

Can't you avoid that by sticking melee? It hits too far forward

Yes

[austere atlas]

whats the season 2 qol?

[sage canyon]

also i love using unspecced mirage

its so good just immunity on reaction

[atomic vapor]

ragu thinks imprints are way too strong

Imprints are what kept me around

[sage canyon]

same

imprints best part of s2

[atomic vapor]

I'm close to 1k hours in LE now and it's genuinely thanks to imprints

[sage canyon]

i spent first 2 weeks literally testing and cooking farming woven/imprint strats with friends

didnt even care for uber

🤣

[flint turret]

You can, but when the fight is 10 min it's easy to screw up, and a lot of stuff can happen

[sage canyon]

glad i have enough dmg for 5 min fight

😅

[atomic vapor]

100% agree, before I switched to falc I took it down to last phase on HS, and I was under 2.5k health. I'm pretty sure I would've killed it if I kept going but I got peer pressured to respec

[sage canyon]

DS feels so nice with cdr stacking, idk why people dont use it much tbh

[flint turret]

What? I never said that. I almost don't care about imprints at all.

[atomic vapor]

Didn't you say the other day game was fine with just prophecies, am I mistaken

[flint turret]

Yeah it would have been fine, imprints don't really bring something new, they are just a replacement for prophesies

It matters much more for mg imo

[atomic vapor]

Problem with prophecies is that they're so incredibly weak that even spending favor feels like a time waste. Not because of the UI but because imprints will always give you something better

I genuinely only spend favor for idols now

[sage canyon]

eh?

its great for uniques

i spend all favor on idols/uniques and imprints for exalteds

[atomic vapor]

I mean endgame. They're great to get a base unique to work with

But slapping it on both slots lets you grind higher lp with turtle/egg

[sage canyon]

true but its waste of time imo , better grind double t7s

[flint turret]

Can't say I agree with this statement. All my rrs came from prophecies, I got 0 of them in 4 days of using them for imprints after I got my first rr

[atomic vapor]

That's an outlier. Rr, idols, starter unique, maybe starter single t7s, yes

But can you rely on prophecies to minmax with double t7?

That's what imprints do different imo

[sage canyon]

ya, i got all uniques from prophecies and all ex from imprints

works great together

[atomic vapor]

I got every single good unique from imprints 😭 slotted every single armor piece on both imprint slots and went on a trove massacre

1 tab full, go to turtle, rinse repeat

[flint turret]

My successful hs fight was almost 11.5

And it took less than 7.5 min to reach the last phase

[sage canyon]

well think abt it this way why farm only uniques if you can farm uniques and exalteds at the same time

unless u already got doublr t7 ex

[sage canyon]

that sounds so painful compared to my first rogue kill on hail of arrows

[atomic vapor]

I have a double (triple for boots) t7 for every slot but with the wrong stats. So I figured I'd work on a single piece every time, after getting 1lp everywhere (exception being daggers, belt and helm)

[flint turret]

Well I wanted to do it on crit hs with super achievable cof gear

[atomic vapor]

So I went like this. 2lp razors, swap to 2 t7 boots. Then next piece

[flint turret]

No double exalteds, and the highest lp item was mourningfrost with 2lp (1in 74)

[atomic vapor]

I haven't seen a single 3lp mourn this season btw, and I've gotten a huge amount of boot prophecies for 1lp razors to work with on imprints

[flint turret]

I have one

Never used it

And 4lp troaka, never used too

[atomic vapor]

If EHG allowed trading for cof id send you my 3x t7 boots, I don't want them anymore because I'm never getting 3lp razors

[flint turret]

I stopped playing a while ago after I killed Uber Abby, thanks tho

If I'd return I'd probably try to build a soulgambler hybrid ward hs but I'd need Abby relic with 5crit for that and I'm definitely not farming it on my hs

I was also thinking about doing it with a flight bow, it has tons of crit and solves avoidance

9 baseline flat+10 from t7 +100% crit can maybe cap me with soulgambler

Flat sucks tho, that's an issue

Maybe with a nightbringer quiver...

But it won't benefit from cold pen

[atomic vapor]

tbf if what's stopping you from coming back is the relic and you're fine with not farming it alone, I'm pretty sure anyone would be down to join and clear your maps

I agree 10min kills per boss isn't the play for trying another build

Good for the challenge, bad to farm

[sage canyon]

do u think there are any other uses besides hs or flask fro that amulet

[flint turret]

Nah, I can just swap to falconer if I wanted to. What stops me is lack of interest. Thanks tho

[flint turret]

Dunno, can't think of anything really. Blast rain da could work but it was heavily nerfed. Maybe Falconer aa umbrals can work as ll too with it pretty well. It has ward on AA too

Probably can stack huge amounts of ward with it

16 umbrals is at least 32 hits*15 ward on a single target, with sd+shadows it's even more

And 25% of your max hp as ward for every aa

That's easily like 2k+ ward per second

[trail pumice]

I think cof trading would be a good implementation into the game, would balance the books with MG sort off

[gentle kraken]

i can't seem to do uber aberroth with my umbral falconer

keep dying man and I dodge the 1 shot mechanic

[flint turret]

Meh, I think it's fine as is. They only need to buff resonance drop imo

Cof is already better than mg in the long run

[foggy rapids]

Is there an equivalent or alternative chest armour piece I can use for my Marksman build. I'm using the maxroll Heartseeker Marksman build. This and the red rings (and the gloves) are a bit of a steep option for me. I am using a Kestrel at the moment, which is ok, but just wondering if something else would suit the build (still early days - I'm on the last Harbinger and I need to get resistances maxed out as well).

[atomic vapor]

I've been playing with my buds for two months this season and we've got 15 obsidians on each other. I know half of that was prebuffed drop rates but I still also think that's too low for people that don't play together regularly

If I play with someone for one evening and none drops, then if I get something I know they want, I'll probably never be able to give to them unless we compromise to play again together, which is something that might not be possible due to different schedules