🔪┃rogue

[undone dune]

if you have endurace% its good

[austere atlas]

true

u dont have it?

[woeful ether]

i have overcap endur %

bc one red ring has 24%

[undone dune]

???

ohh

[undone dune]

you just have an endurace RR

[woeful ether]

yea

[undone dune]

then yeah

[woeful ether]

but that will be dropped so

whenever i get a 2nd 1 lp one

[undone dune]

probalby more like this

[woeful ether]

why is crit avoid only 20%?

[undone dune]

you can keep it at 0%

but i need the points there after i dropped blood roost

to heal more

[austere atlas]

oh yeah why dont u go armor per 2 dex skill kezic, from my experience its really strong

[atomic vapor]

@undone dune check this out

[undone dune]

i dont stack armor at all

only dodge

my armor is like 500

(flat armor)

[undone dune]

this does not have concentration (only 8 in marksman)

[atomic vapor]

I've been playing around without it

[undone dune]

I also find 1 point in divebomb tree is easier to give up than 4 passive points to get crimson shroud but I use bow not daggers

so i have a lot of free divebomb points

[atomic vapor]

I could take one away from cdr

that's been my debate

[woeful ether]

is marksman just the 8 dex and 8 concentration?

[undone dune]

you can do that or you can put the poitns in cooldown and damage reduction too

because those are pretty good

[woeful ether]

just have to take out the throw dmg from bd to get the cd/dr?

[atomic vapor]

actually if I dropped the armor node and took the crimson node in divebomb I could get both concentration and the flat throw...

I'll try to go for both

[woeful ether]

i think i was trying to figure out how to get crimson shrouds yeah

[atomic vapor]

I didn't like 3 points in cdr in dive bomb so I bit the bullet

[undone dune]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWb2gZPA this is the offlien build i have been testing with

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (12) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (56)

General:

▸ Health: 2,760, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 226.32, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 186 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 19 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 90% / 87% / 96% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 552
▸ Dodge Chance: 61% (2649)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (697)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 10%

Used skills:

Aerial Assault / Dive Bomb / Falconry / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades

[woeful ether]

do i move the top dive bomb point to the bottom or does it not really matter

idk how impactful the delay is

if you get hit from over 4m do you still lose concentration?

[austere atlas]

shouldnt

[woeful ether]

so it's perma 10% hit dr as long as you don't get hit within 4m

[undone dune]

so basicaly its 10% dr on a 3 second cooldown

because im always faceplanting into enemies

[woeful ether]

#namelocklife

[austere atlas]

its mostly OP against bosses imo

cuz u can perma dodge

takes a while to kill too, the dmg % is more important

[woeful ether]

damn concentration feels good as hell thanks all

[austere atlas]

its just more damage multiplier

[woeful ether]

well along with the additional dodge and movement speed

[austere atlas]

yeah

[woeful ether]

i feel even zoomier lmao

[austere atlas]

if u wanna giga optimize ur build u can def stick with 8 points for concentration more dmg and thats it tho

[woeful ether]

na i even went full cdr points too

[austere atlas]

i just do 4

[austere atlas]

if u want to feel zoomier do 8 8 4 5 not 8 8 5 4 btw for that tree

[woeful ether]

im 8 8 5 5

just put the extra point to get extra dodge

[austere atlas]

ah nice nice

it does give 40 per points lmao

[vernal zealot]

https://youtu.be/yB8-zxAqlDw?si=YVhjKCHr-4atu6es you guys seen this person? Build very goodge

He specs into decoy totem for 88 crit multi gigachad

[austere atlas]

the first video of his i watched, i went into his passive tree and he was prioritizing glacing blow so

[vernal zealot]

Idk if he even needs the phanton grip for crit too tbh

[austere atlas]

he definitely discovers a lot of new viable stuff

but u can find like 10 things wrong with his setup, idk if he just doesnt care and perma tests stuff or what

like if he links the lastepoch tools

[vernal zealot]

His current is planner in comments

[austere atlas]

oh wow interesting, running ravenous void gloves

[vernal zealot]

Yeah and he specialises into decoy for the crit multi when it expires

[austere atlas]

i like how he doesnt do T7 +crit on bow becuz u can get them from 1x1s

[vernal zealot]

I would of never of even thought about taking decoy as an offensive haha

[austere atlas]

i never read any of the skills in that tree but it is smart for the multi yeah

the net the only thing that looks decent is the 10% more damage multi, and in explosive trap, you could get 30% phys pen but doubt u can ahve enough mana to keep that up

what i want to know is if the crit multi it gives u stacks with multiple decoys

u can have 2 charges, if both explode will u get double.. hm

doesnt say u cant

[vernal zealot]

I feel like i get so much value out of dark quiver thats the only thing

[austere atlas]

i dont think it would be more than the crit multi, dark quiver gives u 15 dusk right? anything else super important

[vernal zealot]

Thats still a pretty large amount of increased dmg every time though

[austere atlas]

@flint turret also lowkey this sounds really stupid but mana might be better than dex, but not bettter than throwing damage

[austere atlas]

yeah in monos, but vs bosses that 15 is like 10-15% of ur stacks

decoy prob better for bosses and quiver/falconry would be for monos

[woeful ether]

we hit :D

[vernal zealot]

Just did a lil test on dummies and yeah honestly the black arrows from that node in AA seems to be good enough

[atomic vapor]

I got a 0:38 kill, posting it in a bit in case someone wants to watch

[vernal zealot]

Gg!!

[atomic vapor]

congrats!

[austere atlas]

huge

[austere atlas]

congrats, thats huge

and yeah mana is better than dex, if ur going umbral

wow

thats crazy

[woeful ether]

if these were +1 shadow gloves that owuld be crazy

[atomic vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSHssWHdFd0

[vernal zealot]

my current shadow gloves

2fp and probably gonna go for implicit tbh

[woeful ether]

holy

[vernal zealot]

the throw dmg min roll is deadge but

[atomic vapor]

youtube takes 10 trillion years to render

unless that's just my pc on potato mode

[vernal zealot]

lmao they went 8-7-8

+1cdr gang

[atomic vapor]

wait I just saw the champ affix

g i g a

[austere atlas]

+mana is better than +dex on gloves

i wish i was joking

but i dont think i am

[vernal zealot]

Havoc runes so goodge

Depends on breakpoints though right

[austere atlas]

i dont think so

idk yet

[woeful ether]

just bc of the cdr gain?

[woeful ether]

yea

[austere atlas]

u can get way more dusk shroud stacks what i wanna know is what if i do it on my gloves and amulet, and helmet

i swapped my amulet alone and was already getting like 10% more

and i was testing with min rolled mana

[vernal zealot]

Im pretty sure i just hit 99m with decoy on dummies

[austere atlas]

yeah i mean multi is multiplying all of ur damage after the bonuses, quiver can give 15 bonuses thru dusk but dusk is already giving like 130-150 lol so

thru dive bomb

[woeful ether]

3/4 hits for 2 lp upgrades

the sad useless one 😭

[atomic vapor]

this is my best one so far

still trying to hit 3lps

(no good dagger)

[austere atlas]

im actually testing lirakas claws for the 130% crit multi and gonna throw mana + throwing damage on there to see how it works

game keeps dropping them because im doing prophecies so might as well try one for fun

literally 1/20 for 2LP

[woeful ether]

any est of how much aa/dive bomb/falcon damage is for umbral?

[vernal zealot]

Okay the only funny thing with decoy is placing it too high up the aberoth stairs at the start

And he just does the circle thing half way uo the stairs LMAO

[austere atlas]

aerial assault and dive bomb are giving u dusk shroud stacks with amplify umbral

aerial assault refunds dive bomb and dive bomb procs the dusk shroud

falcon is whatever its a utility to shred armor, gain mana hp, etc but it boosts ur dive bomb dmg

[atomic vapor]

don't use falconry at all

[woeful ether]

i just saw the decoy thing

which makes sense if the falcon throwing umbrals from aa is all your dmg

bc then why would you put poionts into falconry

[vernal zealot]

Very funny numbera with decoy

[austere atlas]

only thing thats great about falconry for umbral blades is the mana refund and cast speed buff

[woeful ether]

you have to put it on your bar dont you

[austere atlas]

the mark is helpful too since its 150% more damage on the mark

[austere atlas]

yes

[atomic vapor]

I mean don't cast it

[austere atlas]

^

[woeful ether]

am i dumb for casting it

thought you were just supposed to spam it all

[austere atlas]

if u specced into it

its fine

[vernal zealot]

Was birds arent real good in the end?

[austere atlas]

if u didnt, yes thats dumb

[vernal zealot]

And it shouldnt be spammed off cd cause it locks bird into animation right

[undone dune]

It is a funny mechanic which might work out but the falconer passive tree doesn't really support it

[woeful ether]

optimal then would just be using aa and dive bomb? and i guess falcon at end to cull

im confused lol

[atomic vapor]

it seems to be interrupting twilight strike

whenever I use falconry, uber takes 1min+

when I don't, my kill is around 40s

[austere atlas]

this is some crazy stuff im looking at right now im ngl https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olaGV8GA

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (61)

General:

▸ Health: 2,701, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 581.42, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 181 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 93% / 93% / 90% / 95% / 84% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 945
▸ Dodge Chance: 47% (1759)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,784)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 28%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 12%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Falconry / Aerial Assault / Dive Bomb / Smoke Bomb

[austere atlas]

200 DEX breakpoint hit, and u have 698 mana which means u refund 69% of dive bombs cooldown on aerial use 💀

[woeful ether]

relic to mana and 1 ring to throw dmg?

keeps you at 180 but is more dmg no?

[austere atlas]

im really iffy about moving 1LP red ring or relic to not dex

just becuz dex will fit in every falconeer build

[vernal zealot]

Thats very good tech though

[austere atlas]

throw and mana dont

[woeful ether]

when does the season end

[austere atlas]

im just going to test it with mana and see what shroud number i get

[woeful ether]

oh wait you can use offline right lmao

[vernal zealot]

Hero editor be like

[austere atlas]

would lvoe to learn how to use that

[woeful ether]

i was curious about that refund scaling when i read that node

but didnt know how high mana could go

plus wasn't there some change or update to cd refund or something in a recent patch

[vernal zealot]

Is that gear in season cause i jusr noticed its double t7 +1shadow gloves hahah

[austere atlas]

thats not what i have equipped

u can do t6 mana too on glove

[vernal zealot]

Yeah for things that reduce cooldown by a set amount of seconds, not % cd

[atomic vapor]

I don't think you're gonna see a giga difference with the setup you're going btw

[vernal zealot]

So now if something has a 4sec cd and you have -2secs and 100% cdr it would be instant

[atomic vapor]

the increase from shroud stacks is already too high as is

doubt you'll gain anything meaningful

[austere atlas]

im going to test it now

i have 556 mana tho

[vernal zealot]

i probably will have a look at swappibg my peak then cause i have some dex to play with if i only go 180

[atomic vapor]

I'm just saying even if you machinegun your dive bombs, you get hardcapped by the individual shroud stack duration, plus at such high % numbers, you get hard diminishing returns of increased dmg

[austere atlas]

well i hit 150 dusk shrouds without +1 shadow sealed affix when i was hitting 130-140 with a +1 shadow sealed affix

[atomic vapor]

yep

[vernal zealot]

150 on ua or on dummy

[austere atlas]

it is diminshing returns but

dummy, probz higher on uber since hes fatter

[vernal zealot]

Damn chunk shaming abberoth

[austere atlas]

DEX would be 4% increase on each dex skill so like losing 40 DEX is what 80%

and then 8% per shroud if im getting 10 more im already getting 80% which is the same, without the +1 shadow affix

[austere atlas]

hes definitely a big boy

[vernal zealot]

16% per shroud right?

[woeful ether]

double max roll yes

[vernal zealot]

X2 idols

[austere atlas]

oh wait yeah its 24% per shroud

because of umbral skill tree and 2 idols

so actually im getting 240% compared to the 80% the 40 dex gives me, it would give me 2 less umbrals tho

[vernal zealot]

If you are spamming more youll put out more umbrals

Right?

[woeful ether]

do the dummies not respawn?

[vernal zealot]

No its stupid

They have 100m health and 100k regen like HUH

Got so many double mana helmets for my VK, imagine if i end up using on rogue before i drop 2lp seed lol

[woeful ether]

its impossible to test at dummy with controller D:

keep flipping to other ones lmao

[undone dune]

im strugglign to believe mana is a better affix on a 2lp nihils than crit multi

[austere atlas]

when 130 stacks is already giving u 31200% increase and u have 18 umbrals being spawned by aerial (6 tree 12 razorfall) it all comes down to how much dusk shrouds u get for losing those 2 umbrals ud have 18 umbrals and then 31360% increase vs lets say 200 stacks (if im hitting over 150 with 3 shadow, can hit 200 with4 shadow) 16 umbrals and 47840% increase (40 DEX is worth 160 increase)

[austere atlas]

i forgot crit multi can go on amulet, no its not better than crit multi

but its better than dex

[undone dune]

double t7 razorfall is insane though

ill never hit that slam

[austere atlas]

18 times 31360 is 564480 and 16 times 47840 is 765440

[vernal zealot]

Remember when i was malding because they nerfed the featherfall LMAO

[undone dune]

also 130 stacks is way to many on ubberoth he jumps around way too much

i never get above 80 and normally hover like 65

[atomic vapor]

were you around when I was counting tabs

[undone dune]

no

[austere atlas]

and im hitting 150 stacks missing 140 of the potential mana so the numbers still stand (nihilis wouldve given 140 mana)

[atomic vapor]

5 full tabs of wasted boots till I hit this

over and over and over and over

[undone dune]

i hit 130 stacks on a target dummy

but no way do i do that on a moving target

[atomic vapor]

for uber, don't chase the harbingers

stay on him

[undone dune]

yeah

but then he spawns fire under himself and you have to move slightly

[woeful ether]

is there some targetting weirdness bc i just did dummy in 14 and 17 seconds without using falconry

[undone dune]

and he just jumps ever so slightly out of the center consantly

[vernal zealot]

I hit 180 on dummy

[vernal zealot]

Boss dummy v regular dummy maybe

[undone dune]

really?

[austere atlas]

yeah but honestly even in situations where u cannot get more dusk shroud stacks mana still seems better simply becuz dex is 4% increase dmg per point where mana is way more

[atomic vapor]

target slightly behind him, for when he backdashes

works best for me

[undone dune]

80 stacks feels like a lot for him

he dies so fast

[woeful ether]

na always boss i double check before timing

[vernal zealot]

It will be more consitent shrouds

[undone dune]

im curious to test mana stacking though

[vernal zealot]

Cause more AA right

[undone dune]

getting those glvoes sounds rough

[vernal zealot]

Honestly i think there will be a happy medium of staying over like 180 dex

[austere atlas]

more mana is specifically to reduce dive bombs cooldown, it also reduces falconry cooldown but idrc about that. aerial reduces its own cooldown, not effected by mana

[undone dune]

could reasonaly get a t5dex t7 mana helm though

[vernal zealot]

And maybe 2 mana rolls on gear you can flex

[undone dune]

oh and your chest is crazy too

[woeful ether]

the real question is does dropping to 160 make sense too

[undone dune]

i missed all 8 of my 2lp slams on chest before i stopped imprinting chests to go after other slots

just gave up

[atomic vapor]

if I make a t7 dex t7 mana helm, since I'm farming helms, yw to party me up till an obsidian drops

[vernal zealot]

That would still be 400-500 mana with 2 t7 rolls right

[undone dune]

im at like 300 mana with just the blessing

[austere atlas]

im not tripping tho right like +throwing dmg > crit multi > mana > dex

[vernal zealot]

Just zhp and settle on t7 dex only on chest haha

[austere atlas]

at least on helmet u arent losing dex, ud lose vit

[woeful ether]

damn making me feel bad about the t7 dex on my null 😢

[austere atlas]

dex is never bad man

like it helps u overall in everything

[undone dune]

dex is still good

[austere atlas]

if u want to optimize specifically for damage then u dont need max DEX

[undone dune]

but you want as close to the breakpoiknt yo uhit as possible

[vernal zealot]

Ideal peak dex+mana+something+something then

Mayb

[undone dune]

201 dex is good 218 dex is bad

[austere atlas]

dex mana %hp and hp/ele resist

[undone dune]

because dex after breakpoint is wasted

[austere atlas]

yeah

let me see what happens if i only do mana on helm what DEX breakpoint is

[woeful ether]

yea with shittier gear you go dex first right but theen can start to peel it off

[vernal zealot]

Honestly dropping to 180 dex sounds way more achievable in game

[undone dune]

I need dex on helm because I dont have t7 dex on chest so the only way to hit 180 dex woudl be with that mod

[vernal zealot]

Than 200+ mana rolls

[undone dune]

seems to be a build that uses 180 dex ulless you hit a 2lp null

[woeful ether]

im 175 dex :l

[vernal zealot]

What da

Good quiver?

Or are you traitors

[woeful ether]

traitors im mising ring still lol

[undone dune]

ive been saying talons is better for umbral blades froever

[austere atlas]

u can hit 220 breakpoint with 406 mana, or 200 breakpoint with 556 mana

[undone dune]

its just that tongues is better for divebomb

[woeful ether]

ngl i hit 180 dex with other gear and it hasn't felt awful to go down

[austere atlas]

200DEX 556 mana def seems better than 220 and 406

[woeful ether]

i was using talons for ages

[austere atlas]

itll only feel awful to lose dex if u gain nothing else from losing it

like if u throw dex away for + throwing ur good, if u do it for like + poison onhit then yeah ull feel it lol

[undone dune]

the only thing about this is you would want ot always use AA directly after divebomb to maximize the CDR

which sounds like alot of micro

[vernal zealot]

Are you on a test char? Im at 280 mana with no rolls you usibg mana bless?

[woeful ether]

i think i had to put on 2nd random red ring to help me kill uber but that dropped me from 180 dex + other dmg

[undone dune]

letting it run randomly would be kind of hit or miss

[vernal zealot]

AA in first slot so it always prioritises

[undone dune]

it doesn't go left to right that i know of

[austere atlas]

so ur saying im in theory hitting 33% more dusk shroud stacks without microing it

[vernal zealot]

It does

[austere atlas]

mana blessing yes

u can get mana on helm, gloves

[vernal zealot]

When you hold down priority is keft>right

[undone dune]

hmm

it must only be left->right after you change zones

and use the order pressed when you start

[vernal zealot]

Maybe i always prsss aa first and hold down

[atomic vapor]

I don't know guys, the kill time is so crazy low right now that I don't think dagger vs bow is a realistic difference. As long as the build doesn't have the damage to insta pop it, you get capped by phases. I can see myself getting my time down to 30 seconds with non crap gameplay + a little better gear but idk, that's pretty much it

[undone dune]

i havn't gotten umbral kil time down to 30 seconds perosnally

lowest i got was closer to 45 or 50

divebomb build is still a faster boss kill

but umbral just feels so much better in echos

[atomic vapor]

I've never gotten a 38 on dive bomb personally

I thought it was faster too

idk what to say

and I've grinded a metric ton

[austere atlas]

dive bomb is just rng

[vernal zealot]

Yeah i got a 47sec, the guy who i posted earlier had a 33sec kill

With umbral bow

[austere atlas]

umbral is too but less

[atomic vapor]

I'm at 38 with basically a nonexistent helm and a 1lp jungle belt

when I finish, I can see a 30

[undone dune]

with umbral?

[atomic vapor]

that's what I'm saying. the kill I just got a little while ago with giga sloppy gameplay was a 38

at my current gear

on umbrals

[undone dune]

dam

i need to get good

thats roughly how fast my divebombs were pre nerf 😆

[atomic vapor]

yes!

[vernal zealot]

Its rng if you get the 2nd harby skip right

[undone dune]

stupid harbinger invincibilty phases ad soo much time

[atomic vapor]

it's rng if his fatass charges towards 2nd harby but if he doesn't it's like 2 seconds difference i think

[undone dune]

ive had the 2nd harby just chill out and nto come to me for like 10 seconds

teleports like half way and starts slamming

[atomic vapor]

you can combat that by staying on spawn

you'll be within range

[vernal zealot]

When bro wants to slam instesd of charging headfirst into the smoke cloud

[atomic vapor]

kill 1st harby where he stands

[undone dune]

oh maybe 1st harby is more mobile

good point

[atomic vapor]

if you have enough dps for him not to charge at all, 2nd harby is always gonna come to you

yes

1st harby comes instantly

the thing I didn't consider with umbrals is that you maintain stacks better than I expected if you don't move at all from the starting position

therefore you jump from one phase to the next instantly

if the class had just a tiny bit more dps it would be an instant pop

[undone dune]

yeah being in 2 smokebombs is for dps

[atomic vapor]

in 2 smokebombs and with as many shroud stacks as possible when he becomes damageable again

I'll do my best to push it to as close to 30 as possible by season 3

[woeful ether]

george do you use falconry in monos or still don't

[vernal zealot]

All this for slower kills than timerot on 1lp LMAO

[undone dune]

nothign kills as fast as swarmblade

[atomic vapor]

no I stopped using it completely

[undone dune]

why bother

[atomic vapor]

they're both an instant pop right now

[austere atlas]

can someone teach me how to do offline i want to do something crazy im ngl i wanna hit 1k mana with %mana on rogue armor and have AA traversal but smoke bomb not so dive bomb can reduce AA by 36% and then move back to erased amulet to make minion cast faster

lol

[atomic vapor]

is there another instant pop beside swarmblade, timerot and detonating arrow

[austere atlas]

like surely its not better losing the 50% cdr on smoke bomb

[atomic vapor]

I haven't seen another

[vernal zealot]

I can send you the nexusmod for it in dm but use at own risk etc

[austere atlas]

huh

theres risks?

[undone dune]

not really?

EHG said ti was ok offline

[austere atlas]

if its not allowed i wont do it but i thought u can mod offline

as long as its offline only

[atomic vapor]

iirc mike said offline is fair play, just make sure you disable everything when online

[undone dune]

but dont try to launch the mod online and get bonked

[vernal zealot]

Of having to re install the game

[austere atlas]

ohh

im probably going ot forget, shit

[undone dune]

the mod does a preetty good job of not launching if steam doens't have LE in offline only mode

[austere atlas]

ill see how it runs, if its in the background im doomed if its like a open and close program im fine

[vernal zealot]

The one i looked at you have to add it to the game files and stuff

[undone dune]

finding the up to date install instructions was a pain

tbh

[woeful ether]

am i wasting my time egging 0 lp stuff? just feels slow

[undone dune]

you arn't becuase farming harbingers is the best way toget multi exalt bases to imprint

the eggs are a bonus

[vernal zealot]

Its slow but still best way to get 2lp razorfalls etc

Well not "best" but

Certainly better than trying to rng off prophecy constantly lmao

[woeful ether]

i was kind of just using proph to get the 1 lp bases to turtle but dunno if egging back to lp or legendary for rerolls is useful

[undone dune]

dont use prophs that garantee 1lp

they arn't favor effecient

[woeful ether]

nah i wasn't just using the regular drops

[undone dune]

ahh

i tend to turtle->egg anythign with enough rarity

with more common uniques like traitor tongues, i was just farming -> turtle -> leave on ground if failure

[woeful ether]

i was thinking of filtering 0 lp stuff
i guess it kind of only really applies to gloves but you want +1 shadow

[slate mulch]

dam marksman is squishy, i have 4k hp and still get 1 shot at 200 corr, did not get blasted this much with bladedancer

[undone dune]

marksman defensive layer is standing offscreen of what you are killing

[vernal zealot]

Theres alot of uniques i filter out 0lp of like nulls because we can farm so many

[woeful ether]

also for imprint don't you just get the first t7t6 or t7t7 base then jsut imprint and pray you drop something closer to what you want and keep imprinting that new item?

[undone dune]

well you need a double exalt for each slot

harbingers are the best way to get them

[woeful ether]

yeah but once you get that item

[vernal zealot]

T7/T7 ONLY

[atomic vapor]

https://youtu.be/20Pws2_Y4sE?si=USrXOwed0svVZDSQ

jesus youtube

[vernal zealot]

I typically will get double exalt, imprint till i drop another base and redemption

If i hit 1 or 2 exalted mods i want ill use that as new imprint

[atomic vapor]

that's where I am right now

rinse repeat

[vernal zealot]

Even if i hit 0fp but get 2 good mods exalted

[woeful ether]

i have at minimum t7t6 for every slot, a few already have t7t7

[vernal zealot]

The change made it way less likely to roll low fp in my testing

So now 0fp isnt giga brick to imprint fron

Global chat copes and says im wrong, but never have better slams so 🤷‍♂️

[atomic vapor]

generally speaking, we whined so incredibly much about imprints that now they work as intended

nah global is wrong

[woeful ether]

couldnt' you just redemption on your original base since the fp doesn't matter if it keeps dropping

[vernal zealot]

They did giga mess them up multiple times to be fair

[woeful ether]

once you drop another base it'll have more fp?

[undone dune]

fp matters because similar FP is one of the things you imprint

so as you keep getting imprints theres a chance the FP keeps going up by 20%

[vernal zealot]

Still pref to start from 56fp on original base

[atomic vapor]

fp matters but having your two preferred purple stats matters more

so you can build it up

with repeated reimprints

[woeful ether]

^

[vernal zealot]

So ideally you dont wanna giga brick your original base by redemptiobs and not hit anything first

[atomic vapor]

this is where I'm at right now

slowly working on it

[woeful ether]

imprint strats getting close to poe crafting levels complexity

sheesh

[vernal zealot]

Do rare/class specific affixes reduce chance of double exalt

[vernal zealot]

Not even close to poe1 lmao

[atomic vapor]

I've bricked like 20 helms today

I'd say no lol

[vernal zealot]

Holy moly original harvest crafting

That actually required a 45 step guide lmao

[atomic vapor]

johnathan said harvest was a mistake iirc

[vernal zealot]

Jonathon said poe2 good

[atomic vapor]

ok true

😭

[vernal zealot]

So lets not take anything he says as true LMAO

He hated affliction too

Dude just hates fun

[austere atlas]

well im testing 990 mana with aerial traversal on live, if this is good idk what to say

[woeful ether]

so i have these 2 belts for example should i just add dex or throw and redemp/havoc or just havoc and wait for another base to drop

[undone dune]

harvest was super fun to set up optimally but farmingfor t4 seeds took so long and then you needed to folllow a 100 step guide to use those crafts...

[atomic vapor]

give me good ssf in poe and I'll play

[austere atlas]

aerial frame is wayy too long this prob cant be viable

[vernal zealot]

Craft cdr>havoc imo

[woeful ether]

cdrs a suffix tho

[vernal zealot]

Is it

Im in bedge rn

[undone dune]

would need to havoc->craft cdr -> havoc again

[woeful ether]

it is

[undone dune]

and would need to hit a removal

[woeful ether]

removal on a t3 lol

[vernal zealot]

Nvm craft throw dmg and redemption

[atomic vapor]

add throw, havoc, get stats in the front, despair the t1 in the back, add cdr

this guide has been brought to you by me

[undone dune]

ohh despair right

[vernal zealot]

Actual galaxy brain

[undone dune]

I forgor

[atomic vapor]

minmax dot gg

[undone dune]

i knew there as a reason i wanted to havoc

[vernal zealot]

Be prepared for 4 havocs in a row swapping between prefixes and crying though

[atomic vapor]

yeah I'm not saying it'll work

[woeful ether]

holy galaxy brain

[atomic vapor]

but if you're gonna do it

[undone dune]

ok

now you impirnt that

[vernal zealot]

Lmao

[atomic vapor]

you're welcome lmaoo

can't believe it worked ngl

[vernal zealot]

He doesnt even imprint rifht he just goes to julra LMAO

[woeful ether]

yeah i have so many projects to work on after getting 2nd red ring 1 lp D:

[atomic vapor]

ok now imprint

then creation

[vernal zealot]

When the plan actually works

[atomic vapor]

then go slam

[woeful ether]

really it was the havoc rng lmao

[atomic vapor]

and post your brick

I mean your hit

[woeful ether]

that would drain my soul to hit 0

[undone dune]

i would save that for a 3lp jungle queen

[vernal zealot]

All of that in under 20fp btw

Meanwhile i get -18 -18

[atomic vapor]

meanwhile I had a 67fp helm with t7 dex and I couldn't roll away the goddamn class affix

ended with something like

decoy level?

thanks game

[woeful ether]

getting t7t7 exalt bases for missing slots
imprint jungle queen
2-3 lp peak

so much to do

[atomic vapor]

you're literally describing my life this season

imprint, spam, roll, brick

rinse repeat

[vernal zealot]

Hit new giga item, shave 2secs off UA and go agen

[atomic vapor]

oh yeah right it's like

[woeful ether]

its ok i shattered all the other shit i failed with havoc/refinement just trying to get somethign decent to slam into my 2 lps so you don't see those

[atomic vapor]

hell yeah +2 dex

brb grinding uber for 3 hours

ok 5 seconds faster

back to troves

peak gaming

[vernal zealot]

Barnacle kings proc way less imprints than troves too right

[woeful ether]

why would it?

[vernal zealot]

They seem giga bad compared to troves

Im not sure why

[atomic vapor]

honestly even if they were better

you couldn't make me swap if you paid me

[woeful ether]

aren't they all caches anyway

[atomic vapor]

they had to put the most annoying ass mobs in the game in there

[vernal zealot]

Lmao lizards have stronger degen than UA purple carpet

[atomic vapor]

100%

[vernal zealot]

I think they are actually comparable at 1k+ corruption

[atomic vapor]

ground of destruction actually tankable in erasing strike

lizards at 1k corruption? nope

deleted

[woeful ether]

well now i''m scared to do my barnacles D:

[atomic vapor]

do trove on baby mode

(me)

[woeful ether]

i can feel the throw damage making 1k much smoother so cemeteries feel a bit less rippy already bc stuff dies faster

[atomic vapor]

I mean, you saw how hard I was sweating clearing that trove map

challenging gameplay

[austere atlas]

i can see a difference as i add more mana to my pool to reduce dive bomb cooldown but the effectiveness goes down the higher u go

[woeful ether]

not using falconry makes controller even comfier

[austere atlas]

i think its much easier to spec +1 shadows in glove sealed affix than to go mana on everything else over dex, but i do think helmet should give mana over vit. everything else can keep dex just becuz the difference is not worth chasing unless you already hvae BIS gear

[atomic vapor]

And I didn't notice a realistic drop in marked stacks either, probably because you attack so crazy fast

[austere atlas]

and when u spec +1 shadow on glove make sure to 4/5 ur shadow falcon in dive bomb

[atomic vapor]

I'll be honest, I'd rather go full defense on helm to fix my uncapped resistances. If I don't manage to get them high enough, I don't see reason to stick to null portent, I might try to hunt pale ox with 3 lp

Maybe I'll grind for 2lp core of the mountain

[austere atlas]

yeah i think thats fair too. but keep in mind that its an affix slot that u flex, not suffix

[woeful ether]

do mark stacks even show as a buff? i don't see anything

[atomic vapor]

They get consumed super quick. Red bird with a number

[austere atlas]

suffix ur getting %hp and flat hp, affix ur getting dex, and then u can flex throwing dmg, phys dmg, mana, etc. whatever u want. and i havent checked dark quiver tree fully but there is a + skill points for dark quiver and +mana in one

[woeful ether]

i thought that was this

[atomic vapor]

I was thinking dex vit % hp and ele res lol

[atomic vapor]

Falconry tree

[woeful ether]

yeah i know but the big number is the aerial one

[atomic vapor]

Does it not show anywhere

[vernal zealot]

If it doesnt show it mweans you arent crittibg enough i guess

Like george said its really hard to notice it cause it procs so much

[woeful ether]

i mean you shoudl also see this but i don't

[atomic vapor]

Ohhhhhh it's on the target not on you my bad

It's a yellow symbol on the target

God I hate that they use the same icon for multiple things

40% to apply the mark for other skills

[inner stone]

i have the most hacked together umbral falconer setup, 5 levels below zone and everything is exploding.....rogue is awesome

[woeful ether]

so... you apply the mark which appears on the target but the 2 buffs you get from procing the mark don't show up

this and the other one i posted above

[atomic vapor]

Does falcons wake not show

[woeful ether]

maybe i'm blind but i'm at dummy i see nothing

even straight up using falconry to 100% proc it

[vernal zealot]

Falconry deadge

[atomic vapor]

It better actually work 😭

Jesus EHG

[woeful ether]

using falconry doesn't even show it lol

and wake of wings doesn't say it's haste or frenzy so...

[vernal zealot]

Just in time for another falc buff lmao

[austere atlas]

just a btw if u missed what i said, mana over dex is better but its honestly like 10-20% better and not worth chasing as your first stacked item. u can do it over vitality on helm for sure, but i wouldnt chase it

[atomic vapor]

Isn't it beautiful how half the things don't even work and it still does game breaking damage

I love some good balance

[austere atlas]

just becuz its so heavily reliant on aerial going off right after dive bomb its super unreliable on a run by run basis but overall is more damage on paper

[woeful ether]

i'm not crazy right

[austere atlas]

yeah i took off half my gear for specifically mana only with like -5 skill points in everything and was still fine in 2600 corruption

[woeful ether]

nah if i did it it would be 2nd set of armor or something but thanks

[atomic vapor]

At least the mark is there 🙏

[austere atlas]

yeah just dont chase it first lol and i would say i need more testing before i can declare it ias 10-20% more damage

[woeful ether]

it only got consumed after aa not dive bomb tho

so actually idk if it IS being consumed

or if it runs out?

[atomic vapor]

It gets consumed by the next attack

[austere atlas]

i didnt test enough, was just exploring if its viable and it is if u lose 20-40 dex and any more is just a gray area tbh. i didnt test 20 but i suspect its better becuz its more consistent

[atomic vapor]

So whatever comes first

[woeful ether]

well it says that but uhhh

[cobalt mantle]

Probably works, the stats should show on your char sheet. They just avoid putting buff icons a lot of the time.

[atomic vapor]

The premise is you hit so often that it gets reapplied very fast and skills consume it very often I'd assume

[woeful ether]

if you falconry into dive bomb it didn't make the mark go away

[atomic vapor]

"you have concentration by default" ok sir where

My favorite one

[cobalt mantle]

That one's actually pretty good tbh

[woeful ether]

ah so i can at least test wake of wings because my ms increases by 15% that's good to know

[atomic vapor]

You do get the movement speed buff for sure

Just open your sheet and spam skills

[woeful ether]

dive bomb def doesn't proc the mark though

[atomic vapor]

That's very weird

Wait you mean consume it?

Because the proc is 40%

[woeful ether]

consume yeah

[atomic vapor]

yeah no idea

[cobalt mantle]

Falcon attacks don't consume it, only your hits do

[woeful ether]

oh so it's the umbral thrown that actually is consuming it

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah

[atomic vapor]

Oh right the dive bomb doesn't proc umbrals

Duh

[woeful ether]

is aa by default a falcon attack or are you attacking?

[atomic vapor]

It's a falcon attack but you've got feathers specced with twilight assault

[cobalt mantle]

AA is a falcon attack, but the umbrals it throws are yours

[inner stone]

is bow attack speed what i want to make umbral falconer feel smoother or? basically, the "stand still on skill cast" is making my movement feel slow and "notchy"

[woeful ether]

well if it were all unspeced without razors it wouldn't consume the mark right

[cobalt mantle]

And the caltrops are yours, too, if anyone uses those

[atomic vapor]

I do

[cobalt mantle]

Right

[atomic vapor]

Bleed multiplicative modifier too good to pass

[woeful ether]

you can despec storm and use aa to move if that feels better lol

[atomic vapor]

I fully believe smoke bomb is the most responsive traversal skill in the game, while also covering giga distance

The worst to me being healing hands

[woeful ether]

i thought aa was pretty good but maybe controller feels different than kbm since the targetting is already namelock

[atomic vapor]

I don't know I prefer smoke bomb by a lot

It feels so good to use

[inner stone]

its mainly since i have a bow equipped my rogue stands and does the animation to pull the bow back and release so during that time im stationary

[woeful ether]

i had a hard time switching from aa to smoke bomb for some reason

but now i'm used to smoke bomb

it's you pointing for aa lol

happens with daggerr too

[atomic vapor]

I was gonna say it has nothing to do with the bow lol

[inner stone]

would bow attack speed at least speed it up though? i dont have traversal skill yet, smoke bomb isnt level 20 and i despecced shift. getting insane damage and with haste its fine, just a little not 100% yknow

[woeful ether]

which caltrops has bleed multi?

[woeful ether]

i put on t7 bow attack speed and feesl the same speed. pretty sure it's just a flat cast time

[inner stone]

further testing shows it is specifically AA's cast time that feels funny and there doesnt seem to be a way to change it. all good, at least now i know. still getting insane damage and screen clear. sad i waited so logn to start this character

[austere atlas]

u can run the erased amulet to give frenzy to ur minion which increases its cast speed

if thats what u really want

bow attack speed is useless

[woeful ether]

like i said you can just swap back to aa movement and despec smoke bomb but 🤷
changes the cast time into the movement itself so it feels different

[austere atlas]

ur falconeer right, its completely useless

[austere atlas]

dont do this i tried it, not worth

i mean if its fun sure do it

but i dont think it can be viable at all

[woeful ether]

i haven't tried it since 200 corr or something hah

[inner stone]

im not going to switch, i'll just get over it. its such a minor thing i was just curious if there was a way to effect it is all. i do appreciate the responses

[austere atlas]

whatever build ur goin dont run that garbage blood roost gloves lul

them cd exalted with +1 sealed too good

[inner stone]

im running this one... https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/umbral-blades-falconer-guide

what +1 skill do i want sealed?

[austere atlas]

+1 to shadows it doesnt +1 a skill

this can actually help a lot on 4LP belt (+throwing %CD recovery and hybrid hp) if ur running something instead of falcon. %dmg is so worthless becuz of dusk shroud lol

if thats even possible to add onto a legendary in the first place

[inner stone]

sorry i literally ahve like 5 hours on my rogue, is it mirage's champion experimental affix?

[austere atlas]

no im talking about the +1 shadows one, one sec

[inner stone]

ah ya its the champ affix. i mistakenly said experimental. i added an extra loot filter to highlight anyhting with that affix as i dont have any. thanks

[austere atlas]

np, u cannot get shards of it btw

it drops as is and u must rng the crafting

[inner stone]

Then I will Yolo some crafting! I appreciate the help, this Falconer is actually nuts, running through monos way above my level no issue on slapped together gear and basically no idols worth the slot they take up. Can't wait to watch it come together

[austere atlas]

i dont know how but i hit 200 dusk shroud while testing earlier and i cannot reproduce it. i had decoy instead of falconry

[flint turret]

Its "more" damage in umbral tree, not increased

[austere atlas]

thats even crazier then wow

[flint turret]

According to devs it was underpowered I guess, if they decided to buff it recently by fixing birds not real dusk stacking

[austere atlas]

i killed uber in 33 seconds and im pretty sure i couldve killed him faster

my items are not that good either

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Voidy_McKnightFace/character/Umbral_McBladesFace

im gonna have to record this stuff

[flint turret]

Have you tried it with mana slammed tongues and 5-shadow sync with lirakas?

[atomic vapor]

Good afternoon

[austere atlas]

i havent but i can definitely throw away a 2lp dagger for mana and crit multi

sync strike just isnt fun for me but i will prob test it at some point when im bored

just recorded a run but i think it was slower cuz i didnt stun him before he slammed

[austere atlas]

whats ur time again?

https://imgur.com/a/jJKSNok

i want to know if im even fighting this guy correctly or not

looks like this was 36s, stunning him before his first slam is pretty insane time saver

[atomic vapor]

38s. What's the stun tech?

I posted my vid in the #🎥┃video-shoutout

also your first phase slows down a little because you got a lot of frailty stacks

[austere atlas]

i just have stun chance so sometimes he gets stunned and sometimes he doesnt

i had a faster one i just recorded that one now

[atomic vapor]

I tried that too before, but it feels very unreliable

[austere atlas]

yeah feels like he gets stunned maybe 1/4 of the time

[atomic vapor]

Didn't know you had a 3lp bow btw

Giga

[austere atlas]

considering u have enough armor shred i wouldnt mind slamming stun on bow (if that possible) and quiver later anyways

yeah but its phys dmg instead of crit multi

so its basically a 2lp

[atomic vapor]

I realized yesterday

Thanks to my shitty shred duration on helm, I can keep 150 stacks consistently

When I replace it, that's gone

[austere atlas]

really, wow

[atomic vapor]

I wonder if I need to find a new source

[austere atlas]

probably lol

dagger can shred armor on hit

[atomic vapor]

I remember something else applying shred on one of the trees that felt overkill

No I don't wanna waste an affix

I want it passive somewhere

[austere atlas]

what other suffix would u want on dagger

[atomic vapor]

My ideal daggers? Flat phys, multi and pen

Now that I have the t7 t7 t6 dagger it's farmable

[austere atlas]

ahh ok

i think phys pen is broken, if u hit 75% does that mean ur ignoring all of it?

[atomic vapor]

It goes negative

[austere atlas]

oh wow ok

[atomic vapor]

Just like in diablo

@flint turret I'm considering dropping null portent for the ox chest, which is probably gonna screw my phys res for a bit but it feels near impossible to overcap with umbral idols being ornate. Do you think it's worth?

[austere atlas]

wtf

mantle of the pale ox?

[atomic vapor]

Yeah. Movement speed, 36% health and a good lp chance

[austere atlas]

that lowkey sounds terrible ngl

[flint turret]

Why not titan then

[atomic vapor]

Do you remember lp chance level off the top of your head

I also considered core of the mountain

[austere atlas]

i mean if u want an easy 4LP it would be kestrel

[atomic vapor]

I want an actual non shit chest lol

Otherwise I'd go purple

[austere atlas]

titan heart
LP2 1/41
LP3 1/1276

better than ox

[atomic vapor]

Copium

[austere atlas]

ox
LP2 1/51
LP3 1/1914

[verbal pier]

I think if I can get 8+8% more dmg idol can be higher

[atomic vapor]

I got those yesterday

Mid range on throwing % but

You get so much increased that it doesn't matter

[austere atlas]

the idols are increased and then the skill point does a more dmg on top of that

pretty good

[atomic vapor]

Honestly if I could get core with t7 dex t7 health that'd be the dream

10+ to vit and endurance means I can go jungle belt freely

[verbal pier]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqWZ060o

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (17) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (68)

General:

▸ Health: 2,345, Regen: 52.4/s
▸ Mana: 277.51, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 57%, Regen: 10/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 200 Dex / 24 Int / 24 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 71% / 72% / 72% / 86% / 82% / 69%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 469
▸ Dodge Chance: 63% (2908)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,455)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 17%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 95%

Used skills:

Dive Bomb / Falconry / Aerial Assault / Umbral Blades / Smoke Bomb

[verbal pier]

I need that too but isnt lucky enough to get that

rightnow can kill uber 25-30s

[atomic vapor]

yeah I'm working on stuff too

I'm at 38s but I don't have a helm yet

[austere atlas]

wow

[atomic vapor]

I got the 4lp but I'm working on the imprint

[austere atlas]

whats highest dusk shroud stacks u guys have gotten

[atomic vapor]

around 150

[atomic vapor]

Why health/mana idols instead of just pen?

[austere atlas]

hes a lot squishier with that chestpiece i can see why he wants hp

[flint turret]

Called it

[atomic vapor]

That's what I meant yesterday when I said, I agree with you given the amount of people that came in all

"so falconer dead now?"

[austere atlas]

huh

what happened

[atomic vapor]

Ragu saw the buff the moment the patch notes dropped

[austere atlas]

ohh

[atomic vapor]

Isn't it silly that falc pushes faster times than pre "fix". Man

[austere atlas]

yeah i mean i literally joined the game like 3 days before that fix and from how the response to the fix was i thought my class was dead

xxd

[atomic vapor]

It's ok. Everyone was bad at some point

[austere atlas]

lesson learned, fixes dont matter just change ur build

[austere atlas]

what corruption are u at?

[flint turret]

Funniest thing is. Crit umbrals is the build that was already used to push 10k corr in previous seasons, and they buffed it anyway

[austere atlas]

yeah even if u have 200 DEX ur spawning 16 umbrals to go one shot big AoE auto target 1s cooldown

[atomic vapor]

Yeah I saw the vids, offscreen kill gaming

[austere atlas]

damn it of course i get another fast kill when im not using that annoying recording software

[verbal pier]

yeah its old planner, maybe can be higher if I change my blessing crit multi and small idol to pen

rightnow Im still playing timerot

[verbal pier]

only 2k Im not pushing it

[atomic vapor]

Oh alright was just wondering

No problemo

Was wondering if you were doing the cdr tech that @austere atlas was trying out

[austere atlas]

funny enough, the animation cancel explains why i was finding more success with like a few hundred mana but not like 900-1k

so if ur dive bomb doesnt animation cancel it will get sent back to have the opportunity to instead of insta going off cooldown and not getting cancelled after aerial, theres a sweet spot for sure

[flint turret]

Do you use rushing wings nodes?

[austere atlas]

whats that

oh its this that makes the delay reduces, i just specced off of it and was going to test it

when i hit that 217 umbral i had a point in it

[trail pumice]

i have become less tanky in 400c i dont knwo what ive done lmaooo

[austere atlas]

send build?

[trail pumice]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kruda/character/kracked working on red rings and shatter, i got got form the egg

[austere atlas]

if u wanna be tanky would recommend %hp slam on null potent

[trail pumice]

so dex and health on the null

[austere atlas]

could just run %hp

[trail pumice]

its a good thing i have one with just %hp on it

[austere atlas]

the tall 1x3 idol and bottom 1x3 idol can be replaced for hp tall 1x2s

gotta move them around u can fit 2

[trail pumice]

gonna redo my idols here in a bit

thank you @austere atlas

[austere atlas]

np

btw ur whole build seems to be for dive bomb but u have umbral blade idols u can just go full %HP in idols or %phys pen

[trail pumice]

yeah i was looking at pen

[austere atlas]

damn rolled 15 nihilis 1lp into 0 lp in 1 roll

once i reroll this implicit i will definitely be tryin this

[minor locust]

Nice one

Sadly low crit multi roll but it comes with 3 lp

[austere atlas]

ye im not gonna use it till its high crit multi ill throw lirakas into nemesis when im bored

[atomic vapor]

man if work wasn't keeping me as busy as it does, my gear would be giga

My gaming hours are so limited

[trail pumice]

what type of work do you do @atomic vapor

[astral iron]

physicl pen importnt for umbral falconer?

[trail pumice]

okay, the slight tweaks to my build pushed me over 500c now

[atomic vapor]

self employed, two sided coin

[trail pumice]

oh that is a two sided coin brother

i am currently looking into a excavator license lkmao

[atomic vapor]

That's great money if you manage to snipe a position

Specialized work is very sought after

[trail pumice]

its one of the jobs ive always wanted since i was a kid and now its time

[vernal zealot]

Just to circle back, decoy very goodge it shaved about 5secs off kill time (down to 40secs now)

[timid sand]

Noob question, for umbral blades falconer spamming, does it matter what order you spam dive bomb, falcon, and aerial assault in? Like should it always be dive bomb first (so you're not using shadow falcons for less dmg) or does the ordering not matter too much?

[atomic vapor]

lads

thank you game

[woeful ether]

grats

what lenses do you use for idols?

[atomic vapor]

quantity, charges and idol specific

(idm timeline bosses)

[woeful ether]

haha first set of idol prophs

[atomic vapor]

giiiiga

I got 750k more to burn through

[woeful ether]

is armor shred effect good at all or do we want double throwing dmg?

[atomic vapor]

armor shred effect is useless when you can go above 100 stacks. it basically substitutes for not being able to reach high enough stacks

I'm using these for now until I get humbles with pen + flat throw

[woeful ether]

how are you res capped + null portent value?

[atomic vapor]

I am not

that's why I want a new chest

was talking about it earlier

but the problem is I don't know where I'll get the phys res from null portent back

ragu suggested titan heart but I think I'm gonna try core of the mountain

but those ranges on it are absolutely brutal

[prisma marlin]

Dont you need 2h for titan heart though?

[atomic vapor]

not for the damage

it rolls 40% hp

[woeful ether]

gotta sub some humbles

[atomic vapor]

and it has a non horrid chance for 3lp

to me this is the dream chest

[woeful ether]

or some extra res if you need lol

[atomic vapor]

t7 dex t7 health on this

[trail pumice]

I have saw a build using core of the mountain? Id that viable

[atomic vapor]

who's using core?

it was my idea give it back! (joking)

[trail pumice]

Let me get on my pc and send it

[atomic vapor]

sure but I mean, we probably just had the same idea then lol

[trail pumice]

Probably did, but I have a decent one in my stash I think 🤔

[atomic vapor]

haven't looted a 2lp one yet

[woeful ether]

does mantle of the ox work with the falcon? i thought it was untargetable

[atomic vapor]

I don't care about that affix

32% health 10% movement speed

if I can get the phys res back, it's better than null portent

[woeful ether]

well yeah but it's extra dr

[atomic vapor]

I know I'm just saying I don't mind missing out on that

[woeful ether]

is what i'm wondering if that even works

if it works i think it's better than null no?

[trail pumice]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B58aw1zQ this is the build @atomic vapor

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 1,926, Regen: 41.4/s
▸ Mana: 280.68, Regen: 13.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 70%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 223 Dex / 35 Int / 35 Att / 35 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 75% / 75% / 84% / 84% / 107% / 112%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 449
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1968)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 64% (5,123)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 39%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Aerial Assault / Umbral Blades / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[woeful ether]

most people don't even get the full null value

[atomic vapor]

I'm almost certain it doesn't work though

?

this isn't an umbrals build

I see dive bomb passives

[woeful ether]

oh it's untarget and undamageable so doesn't work

but yeah ox is a decently beefy chest as well

[trail pumice]

this is the one Chad was using

when this patch came out

[atomic vapor]

lol, idk man, wasted points then

[trail pumice]

yeah i saw that too, and i was like nah, but i saved it just because i like to horde everything lmao

don't need to use the build but maybe core of the mountain is the play

i can test and stuff to see

[atomic vapor]

I've been thinking about core ever since I swapped build and lost a ton of res

[trail pumice]

i think all my res's are above 75%

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kruda/character/kracked the build does need help though lmao

[woeful ether]

wouldn't wall of nothing be easier to farm than core and similarly tanky?

[atomic vapor]

it has no health

doesn't interest me

[trail pumice]

this is the core i have currently

it was actually 1lp

[atomic vapor]

try to buy a new one

those rolls make me sad lol

[trail pumice]

horrid rolls i know

there is 2lp core on the market currently

[atomic vapor]

how much?

[woeful ether]

the dmg with shadows affix is for dive bomb build right?

[atomic vapor]

it works for umbrals too if im not mistaken because the shadow falcons throw them

but either way throw on helm is better

the build has a gigaton of increased damage from idols

flat is better in every slot that can get it

[atomic vapor]

this is why I don't think mg is worth

[trail pumice]

yeah i have been thinking about doing the switch

[atomic vapor]

I'd love to try mg when they fix their botting problem

market is ruined this season from inflation

[trail pumice]

oh 100% its actually annoying as hell tbh

[atomic vapor]

@woeful ether the ones with throw simply refuse to drop for me (so far)

these are all I'm getting

[trail pumice]

i have one @atomic vapor

[atomic vapor]

I got those too, plenty of them

I don't have pen+throw

I got one that rolled 1 flat

[trail pumice]

i haven't even saw one with pen+throw

[atomic vapor]

I did and the rolls were depressing

[trail pumice]

if i switch CoF i lose my traitors , is it worth it

[woeful ether]

turns out i have 2 of them but yeah they seem rare

throwing AND pen with good rolls is wild

idk how many idol prophecies you've done but i did none and just did cemeteries so it felt more common to drop weaver idols

i also have a few like these that are meh prefix

who knew going for bis perfect rolls was hard 😭

[atomic vapor]

I did a metric ton

I think I'm gonna go full humble for a while

[woeful ether]

humble is better mono but dusk for sure has to better boss

[atomic vapor]

no I mean prophecies

wait

[woeful ether]

actually bis would be ms enchants on larges

oh

[atomic vapor]

what

wait wrong screenshot

[trail pumice]

i dont know how to understand CoF

[atomic vapor]

stout is crit chance (I need it to cap for now)

minors are ele res

best I can do right now

portent works for phys and void like this

and I'm heavily considering ele res on 4lp peak

[woeful ether]

yeah i mean a little bit lol

i was looking at potentially just t7 ele res on null....

[atomic vapor]

no it's too big, it goes to waste

[woeful ether]

then idols for res

[atomic vapor]

better on helm, smaller roll

hit the health on chest

[woeful ether]

depends on how much extra res you can get though no?

with just helm res i sitll wouldn't have cap portent value

[atomic vapor]

I'm fine with that, I care about phys and void more

chest is so much % health

I don't wanna miss out on it

[woeful ether]

i guess it just feels weird to me to use null but have barely cap or <10% extra dr per res

bc then it's just a % health stat stick is all

[atomic vapor]

dude..

ok game

[woeful ether]

lmao g

[atomic vapor]

whatever thanks rng

[atomic vapor]

that's part of why I wanna swap but I'm still debating it

[trail pumice]

i think you totally need that for this build 🙄

[atomic vapor]

mfw shields try to be relevant compared to majasa shield

[flint turret]

What part of it?

[trail pumice]

ALL OF IT @flint turret

[flint turret]

You get levels, levels give buff to drops, you get more drops. Simultaneously you are getting favor that you use to buy prophecies to target farm the piece you want. Its pretty straight forward

Might spend favor on runes or keys or idols or whatever as well

[trail pumice]

i know, i will learn it

currently targetting a ring i need

[minor locust]

You have been trolled

[woeful ether]

ragu does % dmg with shadows affect umbrals? do shadow falcons throw umbrals? or is it just dive bomb build

[atomic vapor]

not yet

NOW i have been trolled

the one time it doesnt' add a second stat

[flint turret]

1. depends
2. why would they?

[atomic vapor]

and it's a t5

[woeful ether]

idk i was asking about that prefix but didn't know if they did and george thought they did

[atomic vapor]

I think we discussed they get affected because you don't use it directly

but ofc I could 100% be wrong

[woeful ether]

it doesn't read to me liek that stat is useful for umbrals

but could be wrong

[flint turret]

Damage done by shadows work on attacks done by shadows. If you create shadows and use umbral manually, shadows will copy the throw and will benefit from damage done by shadows

[woeful ether]

oh shit

[atomic vapor]

yeah that was my impression as well

but it's increased damage right? and therefore miniscule in this case

[flint turret]

Its increased yes

[atomic vapor]

flat throw while dual wielding it is

[trail pumice]

wait is increased minion damage good on gloves

[woeful ether]

yes it is increased damage but that's also the player shadows not the shadow falcons?

more of i got the +1 shadow exalted base

[atomic vapor]

shadow falcon = player shadow

[flint turret]

Not really

[woeful ether]

and that's also manual umbral not falcon thrown umbrals?

[atomic vapor]

for the purpose of increased dmg to skills done by shadows it is identical no?

[flint turret]

Falcon doesn't throw anything

Its your umbrals which he basically triggers

[woeful ether]

manual umbral as in using the actual umbral skill on your bar vs the falcon throwing umbrals for you

[flint turret]

Yes

The only difference is that one is "used" and the other is triggered

[woeful ether]

so aa thrown umbrals is not affected by the % increased dmg with shadows but if your shadow throws an umbral bc you threw an umbral it does

ik it's kind of moot bc it's increased but just wanted to see if i understood

[flint turret]

Afaik yes

[atomic vapor]

very interesting

[woeful ether]

i feel accomplished

[atomic vapor]

game knows I love maxrolled items and is just trolling me at this point

[woeful ether]

reckon fraility is worth one idol suffix?

[trail pumice]

welp pc just blue screened 😦

[flint turret]

Remnant umbrals spawned by shadows should probably also benefit from damage done by shadows

[vernal zealot]

Honestly throw dmg is better than shred efgect too

Im consistently up to like 200 shred stacks on ua

I dont value the increased shadow dmg cause we have so much increased now

[atomic vapor]

flat throw on helm dps wise is the best

[woeful ether]

yea i know i was just trying to understand if i got it right

[flint turret]

Its a decent or sometimes even bis affix for bd cascade/chakram

[woeful ether]

with how it works and what it affects

[flint turret]

Probably for dive falconer too after dex

[atomic vapor]

does chakram maintain the throw tag

or is it just dex/lightning whatever

[vernal zealot]

My pc genuibely cant handle current umbral blades on ua now lol

[flint turret]

Ofc

Well, chakram is a different skill to be exact

[atomic vapor]

it's a straight up skill replacement?

[flint turret]

More or less yes. But it still uses all the nodes of shuri

[woeful ether]

okay so havoc until t2 minion, seal, add throw, try get t7 dex t5 throw?

any other big brain plays

[atomic vapor]

what I'd do is bring the purple to dex and the t2 to the left

you can't seal it has a champ affix

best you can do is purple dex + reroll t2 gamba

[woeful ether]

right fforgot about that

left you mean keep it as a prefix?

[atomic vapor]

purple on int, t2 on minion, woven echo int-> dex, remaining fp rerolling t2 to hopefully throw

it won't happen but you can still prayge

[vernal zealot]

After last night bro blew his rng

[atomic vapor]

I hate this game dude

so close yet so far

whatever, back to grind