🔪┃rogue

[regal plaza]

i kinda like that playstyle since i mostly play minions anyways

[minor locust]

Then go for it

Why you care if you will end up farming 300 c or 500?

[flint turret]

Yes, and?

[regal plaza]

prob 1k corr or however high i can push it

[flint turret]

Dunno about chill, you will be using wasd all the time most likely

And it's not like macro-casted falconer skills, you need to actually shoot things

[regal plaza]

which one do you guys recommend using the melvern's writ or shattered worlds

for ballista

[ocean ember]

I was pushing buttons myself

[flint turret]

Then I don't see why not

[minor locust]

Nothing, i would like a balanca pass. That's all.

[slate mulch]

thanks for the clarification!

i was wondering about a wall of nothing setup with free chest piece but it doesnt seem like itd be amazing

do you any opinion about SMK tinkering with bee spawning idols and running a mostly dodge based defense setup with stealth boots and dodge stacked on gear?

[graceful hare]

Just the most popular guide source lists it among S-Tier 🙂

Not that I'm a big fan of their tier-lists

[lapis sail]

is it cause frostbite is just hard to scale?

[graceful hare]

I found it ok, but it falls of strongly after around 500c (for me). But it is a great clear and feels very nice to me. I really like both visual and sound fx from the (cold) acid flask

But I guess you could probably even build it better. I always struggled to balance mana and traps 🙂 Once you go to 4 traps it was always a problem to sustain for me, and with 3 traps I had the feeling that I sometimes had too much mana 🤷‍♂️

[round depot]

@flint turret u there? is it enough to start with 0-1 lp sometimes 2 lp stuff to go 300+ corr direclty after switching to HS

[flint turret]

Depends on the pieces in question, but most likely yes. You can climb to 700+ with 1lp gear more or less easily

[lapis sail]

thats an easy solve with the mana reduction prefix probably

[graceful hare]

The ring throwing cost one?

[lapis sail]

yeah

[graceful hare]

That is mandatory to get it started in endgame, you need 2x T7 of them to cover the Acid Flask cost. But since S2 explosive trap is very expensive (kinda reasonable)

[round depot]

ok i started to change

[inner stone]

Why does my rogue keep randomly casting/dropping decoys? It seems to beowtly when I manually cast shuriken but:

• doing a search I have no nodes or passives that have anything to do with "decoy"
• the decoy skill is not on my bar
• decoy is not specialized

[keen trench]

There's a ring that drops decoy when you are hit.or something

Arboreal circuit, It summons an "illusory tree" but iirc It just looks like a decoy

[nimble oak]

Looking for some verification on Ballista (I've rarely used it but trying out for kicks) …

1. Does putting points into Shared Enhancements apply all (applicable) global damage bonuses to the ballista? i.e. Added Bow Damage, Increased Bow Damage, Increased Physical Damage and did I miss anything?
2. If I put points into Flaming Shots or Explosive Delivery will global Increased Fire Damage then apply?
   Thanks in advance.

[inner stone]

That was it exactly, thanks

[sage canyon]

@flint turret i have an idea with ruby fang set+cinder strike, ramp up huge fire res to get over 1000% res=1000% psn chance for melee attacks, but dont think cinder striek alone will do any dmg do u think other rogue skills can do big dmg with that amount of psn chance added

looked mirrage/sync strike/cascade dont see much tbh

[flint turret]

Lm and cascade have lots of "more" multipliers

But I don't feel like it will be worth it

Umbrals can work too

But ofc they are better on falconer

Ah nwm ruby fang is melee only

Cascade will struggle because you can't manually cast it without dw

Lm will struggle with cd

[sage canyon]

ye its melee only

[undone dune]

after playing falconer umbrals i cant imagine ever playing blade dancer umbrals again

it just makes 0 sense to throw 1 at a time when you could instead throw 14

[sage canyon]

i think you can spam sync strike its 1 sec cd and procs cascade

and u mana generate from cinder

[flint turret]

That's true but you still want to snapshot it

Overall yeah cascade looks like the main candidate anyway

You can even convert bleed to poison on it

[sage canyon]

hmm and by snapshot you mean spawn shadows?

[undone dune]

ohh what if you played this meme ruby fang set as marksman and used the dart helm to make heartseeker your fire skill

and then just used like explosive traps

[flint turret]

Yeah, to set it to 4 shadows

[undone dune]

because heartseeker can also get a ton of poison from armor shred

or net

[flint turret]

But why bother with ruby fang then

[undone dune]

to stack fire res?

oh its melee

i missread

😭

i thought it was just 1% chance to poison

why are sets so bad

[flint turret]

If you are getting tons of poison chance from shred you want more damage instead of more chance anyway

Even if it worked on throw

[undone dune]

it does look like you are stuck with synch strike then

[flint turret]

Sync into cascade yeah probably

[sage canyon]

hmm but sync strike already creates shadows

is it not enough

[flint turret]

To snapshot you need to manually cast

So you will have to wear a swap weapon

To use cascade once

[undone dune]

could also shift

but that is slow

[sage canyon]

i feel like im missing smth

[silver agate]

Hey guys, i'm deciding on which affixes to slam on my helmet.
I already chose T7 +200% damage done with skills with shadows

Is that multiplicative with other bonuses?
The only other shadow bonus is from my rogue passives, +90%, so do i understand it correctly, that i`ll jump from +90% to +290%, so ill have a few times the damage?
And i have free slot on my purple item for another prefix, so do affix "more shadow cascade damage per active shadow" also affect cascade done by shadows?
Actually also reposting that to rogue channel, should have started there xd

[sage canyon]

🤔

[flint turret]

Does it also snapshot?

Maybe I'm missing something too

[undone dune]

what buff are you snapshotting?

im confused

[flint turret]

Shadow number

For cascade

[undone dune]

it should

[flint turret]

Damage done with shadows is not multiplicative it's additive

With any other melee/throw/phys/elemental or whatever sources

[silver agate]

damn, then its not that awesome stat afterall

[sage canyon]

i need to test in game but i would assume they will snap

[flint turret]

Ah okay then, I haven't tested it

I was under impression that only a manual cast snapshots

[undone dune]

i can test it laiter

its just the shadow torrent node you are worreid about right?

[sage canyon]

ye

[undone dune]

oh and careful assault

neither of those nodes specifiy "when you use" in the tooltip so im 50/50 on it

needs to be tested

[prisma marlin]

You dont always have to stack dmg. Thick boys can beat uberroth too

[silver agate]

how about that damage per active shadow? also additive?

And does it also affect shadows themselves?

not sure if they buff off eachother xd

[flint turret]

Yes, same. It adds to you directly, and shadows are you too, so it adds to all

[undone dune]

generally if it says increased its addative

at least on gear

[silver agate]

So T7s of increase per shadow, and increase damage done by shadows are more or less even with 4 shadows that i usual get from sync strike

[undone dune]

crit multi is kind of the major exception

[silver agate]

will see which one is cheaper xd

[undone dune]

damage used by shadows is used by falconers and will probably be more expensive

but i dont really know i dont play MG

[flint turret]

Also damage with shadows doesn't add to "your" hits while damage per shadow should

Its not a big deal tho

[silver agate]

just bought lower tiers for testing, and its a big difference

because

damage used by skills by shadows does not seem to be snapshot

while damage per active shadow does

i looked at shadow cascade tooltip after doing 4 shadow sync strike

[flint turret]

I don't quite understand wdym

[undone dune]

damage for skills used by shawos will not appear on tooltip dps

doesnt' mean it doesn't snapshot

[silver agate]

ah

[flint turret]

Who cares about tooltips tho

[silver agate]

i do because i dont know how else to know what gives me better damage xd

[flint turret]

You hit a dummy

[undone dune]

test how long it takes you to kill a dummy at the arena

ok next question for this meme build idea

is this even better than 50% poison penetration with poison that teh actual set item has

I know poison has some penetration built in which might make the stat lower value, but 50% still seems like a lot

[woeful ether]

am i just trying to play too fast or is it really hard if i'm dying in 1 shot at 1k corruption in cemeteries but can kill uber

[flint turret]

The bigger question is if it worth over dual weaver gifts with 33% penetration each and which leaves you an option to get bleed per sword affixes and idols

[woeful ether]

isn't penetration infinitely more damage

if you keep going negative?

[flint turret]

It is

But poison has innate shred already

[undone dune]

i feel like penetration is non-linear

1 more penetration is not always 1% more damage

monsters have 0% base resistance right?

[flint turret]

Not always but most of cases yes

[undone dune]

ok fair i guess echos can give resistances

[flint turret]

I'm a bit confused, care to explain?

Or did you mean diminishing returns in general?

[woeful ether]

what is that graph site that shows the armor curve and stuff

[undone dune]

if you go from 0 resist to -50% resist thats 50% more damage (from 100 delt to 150 delt) but if you go from -50% resist to -100% resit your damage only goes from 150 to 200 which is only 33% more

diminishing returns thats it

[flint turret]

Yeah but it's the same for any stat

[woeful ether]

i mean it would have to be relative to just regular % damage though

[undone dune]

i guess

[woeful ether]

1->2 damage 100%
2->3 damage 50%

[flint turret]

I'm confused again

[undone dune]

i just feel like the more penetration you have the less value the stat has and the more you want other stuff like attackspeed or poison%

which is why I asked if using a reforged ruby fang would be worth losing 50% penetration, but yeah weaver's gifts jsut look bettter

[flint turret]

Ofc, it's the same for any stat. Its how math works

[woeful ether]

i basically agreed with you that it applies to any stat. you essentially will compare what's the relative return of more pen vs more other stat you want to get

[flint turret]

That's why poison is the worst dot to stack penetration because it already has a baseline shred

[undone dune]

I got excited for a min because I really want a rogue build with a set to be possible

but it does not seem to be that way

[flint turret]

I think Corsair can be super good

[atomic vapor]

how's everyone

[flint turret]

Usually no one needs that much survivability tho, but it can get pretty sick block numbers

[undone dune]

why would you ever use corsair's and not just take the conversion node + use a majasa shield

[woeful ether]

there is a cap and it's less effective vs bosses so it still seems fine to get poison pen?

[woeful ether]

am i just trying to play too fast or is it really hard if i'm dying in 1 shot at 1k corruption in cemeteries but can kill uber
thoughts lol

[atomic vapor]

seems normal

[woeful ether]

i don't really want to drop to 900 corr but idk if i just have to play differently

[flint turret]

Because you will have both dodge and block

[atomic vapor]

mapping is more survivability intensive than uber because there's many sources of incoming dmg

possessed mobs hit like a truck in 1k c

[woeful ether]

so i have to play slower or something

yeah i was getting slapped by a regular melee hit

[atomic vapor]

nah just time your smoke bomb jumps

dont play too recklessly

go from pack to pack

[flint turret]

Its fine, but pen is still relatively worth to get for poison than for other dot

[woeful ether]

actually the worst is clearing lostwood folly bc the boss does the explosion attack but i can't easily control where i smoke bomb and die into it 😭

[atomic vapor]

fateweavers do giga damage

[undone dune]

i find the spining lasers are way worse than the explosion

[atomic vapor]

I find both to be lethal lol

just range them, don't risk it

[woeful ether]

oh yeah the witch lasers? also bad

[atomic vapor]

not worth imo

[woeful ether]

those are on the possessed mobs

[undone dune]

theresw a lostwood mob that has 4 spinning lasers

the bosss that drops the staff

[atomic vapor]

fateweavers are on another level

[woeful ether]

yeah it's teh boss other attack

that + aoe explode + explode waves are my bane

[undone dune]

cant you just dodge the explsion (with dodge chance)?

[woeful ether]

i think you can

[undone dune]

drink a couple pots to hit 85%

and then get mad when you die

[atomic vapor]

they are some of the most damaging mobs in the game currently and not because of raw numbers but frequency of attakcs that tear through your defensive layers

[woeful ether]

it's harder for me to spam pots quick tho vs kbm

[undone dune]

oh you play controller?

[woeful ether]

ya

[undone dune]

thats rough

[woeful ether]

lol

[undone dune]

does smokebomb just namelock the mobs?

[woeful ether]

it does

[undone dune]

oof

[atomic vapor]

sometimes nemesis annoys me man

[undone dune]

i find ranged builds to not work great on controller

warpath worked fine, i played a bear druid that worked fine because rampage is barely a movement skil

[woeful ether]

i might just have to drop some mage/champ stuff on my weaver tree if i want to die less

yeah but my hands couldnt' take falconer play

controller it's much more doable

[atomic vapor]

imo debuffing your tree isn't the play

[undone dune]

how do you hold down 3 skills with controler?

[atomic vapor]

just be careful during folly

[woeful ether]

2x trigger then bumpers for bomb/aa

just hold triggers

[undone dune]

i see

[atomic vapor]

holding triggers sounds nice ngl

[woeful ether]

it's very smooth esp when you want to control when you smoke bomb or aa

i think i tested you can actually hold triggers and use kbm lol

idk if it resets on nem though beacuse sometimes my inputs get canceled and i have to repress them after opening a nem

[undone dune]

oh so you cant just tape it down

[atomic vapor]

I'll stick to kbm because I'm old

that said I do prefer controller for souls games

[woeful ether]

here i hold triggers and use mouse to walk. but yea idk if you can tape it down bc the mouse hand is what made me swap to controller

though i do always use mouse to select egg uniques so 🤷

inv management is awful with controller

[undone dune]

inv managment is why i gave up playing on steamdeck

[atomic vapor]

I played chronicon on controller

still did inv management with mouse

[woeful ether]

is t7 the highest you can get on enchant?

liek no t7+t1 or something

[undone dune]

8 ww is possible but good luck

I tend to keep the enchant as long as its t6+

[woeful ether]

yeah i just got the 2nd t6+ of the idols i'm actually using

[atomic vapor]

7 is kinda giga honestly

[atomic vapor]

the game is telling me to go stygian coal

but i doubt i'll have time this season

[sage canyon]

the meme is becoming more and more real

hahahah

[sick ivy]

what are you cooking?

[sage canyon]

ruby fang sync strike shadow cascade cinder strike bd

xDD

[sick ivy]

that's a mouthful

[sage canyon]

hahahaha

[sage canyon]

does this idol affix affect dot dmg?

[flint turret]

I'm not sure actually but if I had to guess I'd say yes

[atomic vapor]

I just found my next imprint chase after helm

I don't expect a triple t7 anytime soon

it starts with melee phys too so rerolls shouldn't be that horrid

[austere atlas]

grats

[atomic vapor]

thanks bro, but it needs A LOT of work lol

[austere atlas]

yeah for sure lool

[woeful ether]

finalllyyyyyyy

[austere atlas]

i just found a penumbra ring today, have u seen those things?

[austere atlas]

W congrats

[woeful ether]

do i imprint this over the nem slammed one?

[austere atlas]

wait a minute i remember someone saying LP matters in imprints, i wonder if 1LP red ring imprint has bigger impact than 0LP

[woeful ether]

i had put my nem'd rings in there before

[atomic vapor]

LP matters but Mike confirmed slammed matters the same amount as open lp

[woeful ether]

so these would be the exact same in imprint i see

[atomic vapor]

If you feel superstitious imprint it before slamming but dw, I had 2lp slammed boots imprinted and 2lp boots dropped

[atomic vapor]

Yeah they're cool but I prefer the survivability of red ring tbh

[woeful ether]

yea i just replaced all the imprints but still have to drop a 2nd D:

[atomic vapor]

Yk the good old saying

When one red ring drops

It'll start raining red rings

[woeful ether]

only at 7

lol i guess "only"

[atomic vapor]

If I update my dex on helm and chest to t7

I'll be at 220 dex

Hooooly

[austere atlas]

for a second i thought u slammed this on ur 1lp

[austere atlas]

yeah totally get that, i wanna hit 10k corrup so ill prob try these rings

[atomic vapor]

I haven't decided if I wanna push

I just wanna finetune my gear tbh

I don't have any other goals this season

I play arpgs for loot mostly lol

[woeful ether]

what gear do you have left to minmax

[austere atlas]

yeah i saw that haha ur loot is insane tho

i mean theres two real end games and its best gear or highest corruption

what else is there to do?

[woeful ether]

whats the highest corruption anyone got to too?

is 10k the highest rgeular goal

[atomic vapor]

Currently I've got a double t7 helm imprinted that I'm trying to get with t7 dex t7 health and maybe dmg to skills by shadows/ increased damage while dual wielding/ throwing dmg with daggers

To slam on my 4lp peak

Then I want double t7 chest

[austere atlas]

i mean i guess u could be a dark souls player and try killing uberoth with no skill points, no gear, no passives

[atomic vapor]

And then I'll try to get that cool dagger into 3lp traitors

I think that should be very minmaxed for cof

[austere atlas]

oh yeah that stuffs good. VIT so overrated for helm specifically

[atomic vapor]

I think I wouldn't mind vit tbh because

Umbrals destroy resistances

You have to remove all the stouts

And let's be honest I don't exactly need more damage lmao

[woeful ether]

idk if i go for exalt first or get the lp uniques

[atomic vapor]

What I did was

[austere atlas]

for ur playstyle specifically u go VIT

ur running brewers u get value out of it

[woeful ether]

doesn't he have both belts

[atomic vapor]

I have a 3lp bricked jungle belt with trash slams

I can imprint it

And get more ig

[woeful ether]

i have 5 2lp jungles but no exalts to slam and all my imprints are waiting on my 2nd red ring lol

[atomic vapor]

Jungle belt is one of the more common 4lps

If you wanna grind it out

With turtle and nemesis

It's possible

[austere atlas]

do u have a 2lp jungle equipped

cuz atp if u have 5 u can slam CD recovery t7 and some whatever on the lowrolled ones

unless u really wanna reroll a BIS 2lp belt when 3lp isnt even that hard to drop

[atomic vapor]

What I'd do is

Start slamming cdr throw

And when you get one slammed

Slam the rest with cdr hybrid

For maps

[woeful ether]

would you just slam t7 cdr t5 throw?

this is my current one

so i don't have 2 lp yet bc i haven't really started exalt ffarming

[atomic vapor]

No, get a double t7 for sure

[woeful ether]

bc i'm going for red ring first

[austere atlas]

he has 5 of them tho and LP3 is ez to find, dont forget a 1/3 chance to brick the 2nd T7

[woeful ether]

i have 1 maybe 2 oduble t7 belt rn

[sage canyon]

@flint turret i tested sync node with shadow cascade and seems to work just fine, 1st sync strike creates 4 shadows next one consumes previous to proc cascade and creates new so after 1st sync it just cylces nicely, but the ruby fang idea didnt pan out at all 😦

[atomic vapor]

If you wanna Speedrun a double t7 belt, get max favor, spend it all on timeline bosses (exalt belts), then go through all your conquered towers. If you don't get any, go back to max favor, rinse repeat. You don't need favor for anything else rn because you're imprinting red rings

Oh you have a double t7 belt ok

[austere atlas]

like the 1/3 doesnt matter that much but the hassle of getting T7T7 3 times for that is rough lol

[atomic vapor]

Imprint that next then

[woeful ether]

ya as base but wrong rolls ofc

[atomic vapor]

Yeah the eternal problem

Dw at least it's belt

I cannot begin to describe the pain of imprinting helms

[woeful ether]

is it better to spend favor on exalts bc i just spent on unique glove/boots to try get more of those

[atomic vapor]

With the 10s of billions of class affixes

No game I don't want plus skills to decoy

[woeful ether]

i think have every slot doulbe t7 exalt already

nah only half the slots lol. some t7 t6

[atomic vapor]

If you want 2lp razors or blood roosts imo favor not worth. They're too rare for prophecies. Hunt for them with imprint/nemesis/turtle

[flint turret]

Does your shift cascade inherits the 4-shadow damage after double sync?

[woeful ether]

i'm turtling the 1 lp bloods tshat drop

[atomic vapor]

At your stage, favor is best spent on firstly idols, then ig exalts but double t7 from prophecies is still rare

[woeful ether]

and then full cycle into nem

[atomic vapor]

After you're done with red rings, start working on individual armor pieces

[austere atlas]

from my experience, purples in CoF are never worth chasing

[woeful ether]

i have a lot of good iddols actually

[austere atlas]

like early on just to get ur 1LP slammed sure but after that nah

its like 0.8% to drop the razor and roost like

[atomic vapor]

I got a few double t7 from prophecies it's not that bad. A million favor should get you at least one double t7

[austere atlas]

u need to dump favor into unique glove and boots if u want 2LP or u will never see that in ur life

[woeful ether]

yea after the 0 lp and 1 lp idrk what to spend favor on lol. just seems like chasing extra rare rolls

[austere atlas]

oh yeah for sure u can get it

but nemesis gives it away like its nothing

u can chase 2LP glove and boots

3 4 LP belt

3 LP bow

[woeful ether]

im using daggers

[austere atlas]

o

[atomic vapor]

Traitors are crazy common no need for prophecies

[austere atlas]

well 3LP dagger is like 1/100 traitors

[atomic vapor]

Spam ascendance and egg

Yeah

Super super common

[woeful ether]

this is my only 3 lp one 😭 shit roll

[atomic vapor]

You'll get more

I promise they're common

[austere atlas]

yeah b ut if ur lazy then u can dump some favor in unique dagger and throw them all in the LP roller

[woeful ether]

do you generally slowly upgrade uniques as you drop them? like 1lp into 2 lp into 3 or just go from like 1 to 3 if it's a fairly common unique

[austere atlas]

just depends what u want next

[atomic vapor]

Imo it's faster to add a rule to your filter to see purple daggers (for example just a singular t7) and occasionally ascendance them

I got many many traitors like that

[flint turret]

Its literally the most rare dagger in the game tho

[sage canyon]

^

[pearl forge]

i got a 2lp one using ascendance when trying to find fulgurites at season beginning XD

[woeful ether]

i think i'm working on my 2 lp blood roost next bc i have a few just need exalt to slam

or jungle queen imprint

[pearl forge]

sold for a bit

[austere atlas]

do u have ur build online? can i see it

[atomic vapor]

It doesn't matter. You got 3-4 digits ascendance and prophecy is better spent on armor. Those that do drop, have a huge chance to get lp from nemesis

[woeful ether]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZvMp4DB

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 1,794, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 242.85, Regen: 14.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 44%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 160 Dex / 22 Int / 22 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 91% / 91% / 91% / 95% / 103% / 118% / 108%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 359
▸ Dodge Chance: 34% (1200)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (2,206)
▸ Block Chance: 1%, Mitigation: 7% (43)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 4%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[atomic vapor]

I must've farmed like two tabs of traitors this season so

[austere atlas]

i think u should get 2-3LP peak of mountain ASAP, then 2LP traitors

[woeful ether]

i could also go for a quick 1 lp shattered

[atomic vapor]

My only good 2lp shattered worlds, I bricked

None dropped since

[austere atlas]

u could, im just telling u what would be easiest first

[woeful ether]

just have to farm dungeon for peak but is it easy to get 2-3 lp?

[austere atlas]

power spikes have the max value when you take the easiest road imo. when you greed for BIS or best upgrades first it just takes more time unless its gatekeeping you from uberoth lol

[atomic vapor]

3lp is very common

[flint turret]

I get what you are saying but farming a lot doesn't make something common. Its like saying red rings are common if you farm a year

[austere atlas]

yes u will get a 3LP helmet if u do it right now

if u want i can join u, we can run some it takes half the time with 2 ppl

i need to get a 4LP

[woeful ether]

nah i can kill uberroth with my gear already. idrk what the rarities are since le isn't my main game

so idrk what is best to go for next

or easiest

[atomic vapor]

It's more of a case of opportunity cost. I think favor on traitors is wasted favor. At 1k corruption I get more ascendance (genuinely) than I can spend on daggers

I'd save favor for something more valuable

[woeful ether]

ill take you up some time. i have a load of woven echos i wanna do

[austere atlas]

i can agree its a waste of favor, but spending just a little for a 2LP-3LP dagger is worth it

[flint turret]

You can literally buy just 2-3rare daggers prophecies and slam 200 runes on them instantly

[austere atlas]

cuz rn u hvae 1LP, check ur storage to see how many traitors u have

[sage canyon]

does anyone has a planner for optimal shadow cascade build now?

[atomic vapor]

You definitely can. Nothing is single dimensional

[austere atlas]

definitely get that 3LP peak helmet tho

[woeful ether]

these are all my traitors
first row 1 lp
2nd row 2 lp
1 3lp one

[austere atlas]

LP reroll ur 1LPs for sure, and then use the 2LPs unless theyre just completely bad

[atomic vapor]

Yeah save your 1lps for turtle

If they go to 0, throw them back into the egg

[austere atlas]

well george can answer this better than i can but

[flint turret]

Depends on what for. I remember seeing Uber Abby cascade not so long ago should be decent at least. Otherwise I'd say low life is better for monos probably

[woeful ether]

daggers just need 13 crit/+2 dex right

[austere atlas]

u could also 1LP a quick shred armor stat idk which equates to more damage. idk if ur build has shred armor stacks

[woeful ether]

want good crit multi but have to take less

[woeful ether]

i think theres some shred in some skill idr where

[atomic vapor]

If you get a good peak, and high crit chance on idols, you can cap with 12 and no crit blessing

[sage canyon]

isnt it better for uber too, i feel like the shadow ward affix solves the sustain issue with LL

or life is better for uber

[atomic vapor]

But id go for 13 for qol

[austere atlas]

the implicit crit strike multi is important, but yes those 2 stats are what matter

[woeful ether]

i also have the 2x umbral dusk shroud idols with crit chance

[flint turret]

Dunno, I don't feel like ward is useful for Uber at all. I'd go life anyday

[atomic vapor]

If you don't have 5% shattered worlds, don't settle for a non 13% dagger imo

It'll be a pain to crit cap

You'll probably need a stout with crit%

[sage canyon]

well any of those planners work just wanna see how people scale dmg

[woeful ether]

im at 113 crit rn with all my stuff

[flint turret]

Especially with how good vise is

[austere atlas]

ur idols are hella good, just that one with void resist in the center but theyre really good lol

[atomic vapor]

With multi from black sun?

[woeful ether]

ye

[atomic vapor]

Nice

[woeful ether]

yea i want to change that to dmg

[austere atlas]

if u really want ward that bad id equip a xitharas with jungle queen

[flint turret]

Reen for multi, double flat damage slams, affixes for damage per shadow for increased %

[atomic vapor]

I've bricked so many helms today. It's so annoying to imprint helms and chests

10 trillion class affixes

[flint turret]

6 melee damage humble idols work too, or phys pen ones or both

[austere atlas]

yeah screw that

[woeful ether]

yeah bc i don't plan on playing anyhting else i've turned off all other classes makes it so clean

[atomic vapor]

No I mean rogue class affixes

Still too many for redemption to do its job

[woeful ether]

oh what affix are you going for

[atomic vapor]

Massive gamba

[sage canyon]

ok hmm so shadow daggers is a meme and nobody playing it now?

[austere atlas]

ive been starting to green glyph quivers just to get the one i want and rng the stats lool

[woeful ether]

i do have bows on my filter im prety sure but it's just way harder to get since multiple level rolls

[atomic vapor]

I've got dex and health% on my imprint so hopefully throwing with daggers or skill dmg done by shadows or something

I'm not too strict on the 4th stat

I'll be happy with flat health or ele res

Ele res would be pog actually lol

[flint turret]

Its alright. Its has a low entry requirements and scales okay, but other options scale better into high corr

[sage canyon]

gotchu

[woeful ether]

shadow falcons count as shadows right for umbral version

[atomic vapor]

Falcons throw the umbrals, so yes

[austere atlas]

i found it way easier to find talons, i used unique bow prophecies, id LP reroll them and throw them into nemesis, i definitely farmed like 10 3LP talons in 1 day

well maybe not way easier, but it was easy

[atomic vapor]

But also I like the idea that the same helm will also work for dive bomb

[austere atlas]

traitors wouldve been just as easy if i used favor but i used ascendance

[atomic vapor]

But I'll be happy with throwing dmg with daggers

[woeful ether]

i may look into farming to swap back to bow at some point but oh well lots of other prios

[austere atlas]

ele res is really huge, it allows u to optimize ur idols

[atomic vapor]

It's giga and very underrated imo

The only other good one is endurance

Which would let me go to jungle belt

[austere atlas]

oh is endurance actually good?

[flint turret]

The best you can get out of shadow daggers into the endgame is umbral falconer(obviously) or BBC bd probably

[atomic vapor]

Well I'd like it to stay capped lmao

And rn I'm only capped thanks to the brew belt

[austere atlas]

hmm

without brew what r u at

[woeful ether]

this is the throwing stat?

[austere atlas]

nice

[atomic vapor]

Yes but I won't keep it t7, I prefer t7 health%

[woeful ether]

was just wondering

[atomic vapor]

My ideal helm is t7 dex t7 health t5 throw t5 ele res

[woeful ether]

i hid single exalts today on filter bc i felt like i was picking up too much

[atomic vapor]

Will it happen? Maybe

[austere atlas]

surely itll happen

im probably slamming this on my 4LP helm if the rolls are bad

[woeful ether]

is this bad?

[atomic vapor]

I want t7 dex because with t7 on helm and chest I hit 220 dex

[woeful ether]

most of damage doesn't come from shadow daggers?

[atomic vapor]

Yes shadow daggers are a very small portion of your overall umbrals dps

[austere atlas]

yeah ur either aiming for 220 or 240 and me personally im going for 220 rn, my biggest setback are the rings

dont think u run traitors for the shadow daggers, u do it for the crit multi implicit right?

[atomic vapor]

Is 240 possible?

Oh wait it is, dex from belt

Yeeeah.. not happening loool

You run traitors for the easy +4 skills and giga flat crit most of all. Multi is only good for umbrals, it's almost useless for dive bomb due to wonky falcon inheritance

[flint turret]

Can anyone explain why do you even bother with going with such high dex for umbrals? The difference between 220 dex and 200 dex is 1 extra umbral which is around 6% damage

[austere atlas]

yeah sadly i spent a week straight looking at abunch of build iterations and 240 is possible

[atomic vapor]

I could've stopped 3 items ago. Gear stopped being a necessity on month 1. Minmaxing loot is fun

[austere atlas]

if ur not planning to hit 240 u can aim for T6 dex instead of t7 and make ur life less miserable

[atomic vapor]

I have t6 on chest and I regret it

I slammed it way too early in the season

Needed the power spike to push

[austere atlas]

lp2?

nah it was the right choicec

[atomic vapor]

Yes and t7 health lol

[austere atlas]

it was definitely the right choice

[austere atlas]

the 1 extra umbral procs other effects

but its not so insane that you brick ur whole build for DEX

[atomic vapor]

For umbrals it's barely any dmg increase, because you don't work with umbrals on the ground like sync strike dive bomb

[flint turret]

What effects bro

[woeful ether]

am i stupid i can't figure out how to even get 220 dex if i add missing slams and max rolls to my gear

[austere atlas]

more chance to shred armor on hit, more damage to dive bomb per umbral on the ground

[austere atlas]

no

[flint turret]

Shred does nothing after like 120 stacks, and you are probably already getting 300+

[atomic vapor]

T7 chest, helm, red rings, boots, gloves (with high implicit dex rolls), and all the passive points from tree ofc

[woeful ether]

yea i added them up and its 215 idk what i'm missing

[atomic vapor]

Did you add relic

10+ from implicit

16 from slam

Not implicit, unique affix whatever

You know what I mean

[flint turret]

And it also doesn't do anything for dive because umbrals explode and don't stay on the ground

[atomic vapor]

No they don't with dive bomb sync

You unspec bladestorm and explosions

[flint turret]

I was asking about umbral build

Not a dive build

[woeful ether]

yea
i have 177 now
32 from ring/relic slam
+2 boots, +1 ring implicit, +1 jungles, +2 relic

[atomic vapor]

Oh I thought you meant divebomb as the main dmg skill

[austere atlas]

oh wait i might be stupid it might be 200 or 220 as max not 220 and 240 lol

[woeful ether]

oh boots have 16 that gets 231 max

[austere atlas]

but im pretty sure its 240 ill check

[atomic vapor]

10rr + 32 slam + 10 roost + 16 slam + 12 razors + 16 slam + 24 chest + 5 peak + 16 slam + 10 relic + 16 slam + however many points from the tree

[austere atlas]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOgVNYEB

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (61)

General:

▸ Health: 2,445, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 226.32, Regen: 13.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 215 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 93% / 93% / 90% / 95% / 84% / 89%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 856
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1958)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,932)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 28%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 12%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Falconry / Aerial Assault / Dive Bomb / Smoke Bomb

[austere atlas]

here

this has a t6 dex slammed and still over 240

[woeful ether]

honestly you are probably right in terms of % dmg increase vs just get more def or other stat but i geuss people also like bigger number so 🤷

[austere atlas]

so george u can still hit 240 lol

even with t6 on chest

u will hit 240 exactly

[atomic vapor]

Nop

16 quiver

Daggers don't get dex

[austere atlas]

ohhh

ur using dagger

sike

i mean then 240 is impossilbe for u anyways, 220 is ur end goal

[atomic vapor]

I don't need 240, I just wanna hit 220 just for the memes

Yeah

[austere atlas]

u have 4 dex to play around with thats another t6 dex instead of t7

worth

u did a BIS slam on that null potent

[atomic vapor]

what annoys me is that even with a t7 on helm I'll be at like 213? I need the t7 chest

[flint turret]

No I wasn't talking about damage vs defence. I was asking from the pure damage stance alone. Dex is competing for flat throw on rings and gloves and relic, and seeing/hearing people going for 220+ dex means they have almost no flat throw damage on gear, and it doesn't make any sense to me

[austere atlas]

wat

[atomic vapor]

personally I have flat throw on gloves, ammy, and soon a small t5 on helm, which will be covering all slots that can get flat throw if I'm not forgetting something

[woeful ether]

i added other stat bc idk what else is there but i really think it's people like bigger number. plus its pretty hard to test dps in this game right bc the dummy doesn't have easy numbers

[austere atlas]

u should be able to hit 224 with daggers even with t6 chest slam

[atomic vapor]

I don't have a perfect shattered worlds and my 4lp helm is 3 to stats

[flint turret]

Math for flat throw vs amount of umbrals and increased damage is pretty easy tho

[austere atlas]

ah

ur shattered is 1LP yeah?

thats easy to fix

4LP helm, unlucky

[woeful ether]

i was just about to ask do you know the % increase for flat throw? dex also gives % increase for the 20 you get right

[atomic vapor]

I don't think it's easy to get a 5 crit 10 to all shattered worlds with 1lp lol 😭

[woeful ether]

it's not just the + umbral but the extra damage from +20 dex

[atomic vapor]

Because by the time I get it, the dmg reduction will suck

[flint turret]

You go from 150 flat to 200 flat, you get 33% more damage. You go from 200 dex to 220, you get +1 umbral which is ~6.2% and a tiny bit of increased % which is almost negligible due to umbral idols that give thousands of increased %

[austere atlas]

yeah u do have to kill uberoth a lot for each 1LP but ull have plenty of rerolls for it

its not the worst really, compared to 4LP helmet having to burn both sides so slowly lol

[atomic vapor]

I think 4lp helm is faster since I'm playing with my friends

Triple loot pool per kill

[austere atlas]

ohhh yeah

yeah definitely

i need a arbor group if u ever got space hmu

[austere atlas]

yeah flat damage is always good

[atomic vapor]

I'm down to help anyone with anything as long as I'm not at work

[austere atlas]

i dont think u should ignore everything for DEX

DEX is just ur endgame goal, its what u focus on after u get good amounts of everything else. IMO

i was sitting on 100 DEX to have all my other stats and i was fine

like uberoth was killable, 1k corruptions wasnt killing me

[woeful ether]

maybe dumb question but is that % increase from dex additive with the idol? bc i know different stats are multiplicative based on what it says in the passive or skill tree

[atomic vapor]

idk like I said I don't think anyone's sacrificing throw for dex when throw is already slammed on the slots that can get it

[flint turret]

All increased is additive

"more" is multiplicative

[austere atlas]

itll say "increased damage" or "more damage" and with the more damage theres a tooltip that its multiplicative with other modifiers

[atomic vapor]

The "multiplicative" tooltip usually exists in trees rather than items if I'm not mistaken

For example red rings say less

[austere atlas]

yeah

[flint turret]

Is there a mainstream planner for umbral falconer people use more often than others?

[austere atlas]

the less damage doesnt seem ot be multiplicative on each other

[woeful ether]

yea i guess i just misremembered. didn't know if it's counting them as different stats or just adding the multiplicative mores up but maybe im just dog brained math rn

[flint turret]

Its just all I'm seeing is about getting to 220-240 dex while no one says(or cares) how much flat he has

[austere atlas]

oh actually, im noticing it now but i hit 2k corruption on 120 DEX and was able to kill uber under 1min as well

so DEX is definitely not the god tier stat its just when u optimize ur gear its the best thing available overall

like ur not slamming %damage on a helmet, ur slamming dex

[atomic vapor]

I don't know if anyone's following a definitive planner but post divebomb fix, people have just been experimenting with scaling so there's like 10 different variations with slightly different skill points

[flint turret]

120 on umbral makes perfect sense to me, but all I'm hearing is 220-240

[atomic vapor]

(personally I'm not following anyone's planner)

[flint turret]

I see

[austere atlas]

same and honestly its more fun that way

[woeful ether]

do the shard explosions from umbrals shotgun

[austere atlas]

no yeah for sure, im just saying like

[woeful ether]

it says it can't target the same enemy but does not say it cannot hit the same enemy

[austere atlas]

@flint turret go find what gives DEX and tell me whats better

[atomic vapor]

Maybe it's just that I personally don't have to pick between dex and throw because of my gear. The only thing I could do for more throw would be get new red rings with the hybrid throw/mana cost which no I'm not doing lol

[austere atlas]

when ur not giga BIS its way too hard to prioritize the right stats and max DEX but when u do aim for gigaBIS like that planner, doesnt seem like anything else is that better

[austere atlas]

yeah no. u dont even need it

[flint turret]

jesus christ 106 throw damage

[austere atlas]

smoke bombs gonna give u so much

[austere atlas]

this thing is pretty OP its not gonna reflect in the planner

but ur perma sitting in 2 smoke bombs

[flint turret]

i know, but you dont have it while you run monos

[austere atlas]

falconeer is going to destroy them anyways im ngl

ill have 0-2 smoke blades stacks around any small mob and theyre instantly dead

1LP rings definitely viable with +throwing damage tho

[atomic vapor]

It's not something I personally care to farm

[austere atlas]

but besides the rings what else are u replacing

DEX wise

[flint turret]

even with 2 smoke bombs its 8 stacks which is 160 damage, its still 266 flat total. Adding t7 flat to relic gives 14% more damage. loosing 1 umbral decreses the damage for ~6.25% damage. 64% increased from dex is negligible because you are sitting on 1600% from idols alone with 100 shrouds

[atomic vapor]

T7 flat to relic is definitely something reasonably farmable actually

It's probably the only slot I could swap dex out of that isn't rings

[austere atlas]

yeah it 100% gives more damage but u lose a lot everywhere else

armor and dodge are the first thing that comes to mind

id consider swapping to +throwing on relic and rings when im getting one shot regardless, it doesnt seem like a great tradeoff if ur even mid corruption lvl

unless ur skillshot dodging god then ye

[flint turret]

48 armor(out of 3k?) and 64 dodge(out of 7-10k?)

[austere atlas]

im confused man, ur using numbers of armor and dodge while fighting a boss which is 3k and 7-10k but also saying +throwing damage is better in monoliths

which build are you focused on rn?

[atomic vapor]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Blasdrimal/character/Sylvie feedback is welcome btw @flint turret (within realistically farmable reason)

Ignore the helm, working on it

[austere atlas]

cuz i agree ur right that +throwing damage is more damagge than DEX but the whole idea here was that its not enough in monos, losing that base armor and ddoge in monos is way more brutal. in bosses its nothing

[flint turret]

my initial point was about damage in general, so i preferred to stick to monos, the counter-argument was about having 2 smoke clouds constantly so we switched to discussing a boss i guess, and damage looks better even with 2 smoke bombs

[atomic vapor]

Also do you have any idea why rapid pursuit doesn't seem to be doing anything? Is there a cap on cdr?

Tested it, did nothing

[flint turret]

yeah but in monos flat is at least 2 times more valuable than on boss because you dont have 2 smokes around yourself all the time

[austere atlas]

gotcha ok. yeah so the thing about falconeer imo is that u have so much damage that in monos ur bigger issue is survivability. at a certain point, survivability (stats wise) means nothing in which yeah should just not care about armor and dodge at all

agree 100%

but that certain point, idk where it is but its not 2.5k corruption thats for sure lol

way higher

[atomic vapor]

After a certain corruption, you might as well have 0 to all defenses. It doesn't matter, you will get oneshotted if everything touches you

[austere atlas]

yeah

[atomic vapor]

If you wanna push, you offscreen kill

And play touhou with shade

[austere atlas]

hahahah

ragu what corruption are u trying to push rn

[woeful ether]

you can have at least 160 dex if you sac all dex for flat throw

which to ragus point then why go for more umbrals vs flat throw if the extra umbral doesn't hit for bosses

[flint turret]

sorry im staying away from helping\tuning falconers this season, i was just wondering about the reasoning of the builds\planners im seeing\hearing about which dont make much sense to me

[austere atlas]

the extra umbral does hit bosses in my experience

thats what i initally thought too

even tho it doesnt auto target it, it will hit the boss

[atomic vapor]

I don't need "help" in the traditional sense. It was mostly of a "what would you change" question because I'm genuinely curious what you consider unoptimized

[austere atlas]

not saying thats like insane amounts of damage but yeah

[atomic vapor]

But it's all good

[flint turret]

i stopped playing at aound 1500+ on my hs

[austere atlas]

heartseeker in monos is like a joke compared to falconeer right? so the base damage matters more

[atomic vapor]

That said, I do believe that without focusing on red rings, there's not a whole lot more throwing you can squeeze out

[woeful ether]

@flint turret more time is spent in monos so the extra dagger has more coverage?

[austere atlas]

i think for other classes, its so much more important to hit the + damage earlier because ur capped on how ur kit interacts with itself. u can only do so much damage

[flint turret]

the only joke is how devs neglect balancing falconer. HS damage is above average rogue build id say

[austere atlas]

falconeer is just broken, the importance of hitting the + damage comes way later in corruption levels

so if that kinda makes sense now

thats why its so unimportant compared to the rest of the classes. the wall you hit when you actually need to do it is laughably late

[flint turret]

all daggers hit the boss anyway so i dont really get what you are saying

[woeful ether]

you spend more time in mono than killing a boss so you want more dagger coverage instead of the flat dmg

werent you talking about how its different situations between boss vs monos

[austere atlas]

something that helped me in both, while not optimal is increasing area size of dive bomb thru hindering beak strike (with extra points) and steel torrent with umbral blades

[flint turret]

yeah this makes perfect sense to me actually, because thats what ive been seeing for 3 cycles already. Half-assed make-shift falconer builds that make no sense whatsoever with people piloting them who have no idea how damage scaling works for falcon or what even their passives\skills do destroy all content without trying

some of them do actually start to dig in and optimize it regardless, but most just dont care because it doesnt really matter if it works anyway

[austere atlas]

pretty much, the kit just buffs itself so many ways

thats why im trying to push to 10k corruption maybe what i slam actually matters

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Voidy_McKnightFace/character/Umbral_McBladesFace

this is what i have rn

i had min t6 dex slam on blood roost yesterday lol

and no dex ring either

[flint turret]

i think if you want more coverage you just get 5 points in aoe passive on falconer tbh

[atomic vapor]

I don't know, I get the sentiment but outside of an archetype, I must've changed up my own personal setup a trillion times this season alone for optimization. disliking something for being strong is one thing, but calling everyone cattle that follow mindlessly, not sure about that one

no hard feelings obviously, hope I'm not misunderstood

[austere atlas]

i heard this is like a way more casual ARPG so most peopleare probably following a guide without actually understanding how it works

[atomic vapor]

falconer especially has seen so many "bugfixes" purely because of how broken half the tree has been in every iteration. I don't think I can blame the average player for not understanding some interactions, especially falcon stat inheritance when the devs themselves can barely keep up with their own creation

[austere atlas]

void knight or falconeer

[atomic vapor]

that's just my two cents of course

[austere atlas]

definitely dont think it means a player should be looked down upon for not caring tho

some people have more fun playing the game, if it works it works

some people have more fun optimizing their build

[woeful ether]

speaking of optimization i feel like it's hard to know how things scale and interact. like i don't really easily understand how the falcon inherits your stats and which ones and idt this node is even good for the 2 points esp with uniques

[atomic vapor]

this is exactly the node i had in mind, that and the other one with the crit multi inheritance

their tooltips are way too vague way too often, their character sheet is barely functional, their tooltip dps is a joke, and not even LE tools can salvage the situation in its entirety

[woeful ether]

yeah. i mean i personally think if you don't actaully need the damage increase of flat throw vs dex then it's just making more dagger coverage and you can also spec into that passive node right? to me it's not actually bc people want the highest dps scale from 200->220 but bc it's not really necessary and feels better in the content that you play most of

[atomic vapor]

so I'm not sure how much of it is the player's fault here

[austere atlas]

agree, if i wanted to get a headache over every little thing in the game i wouldve chose POE as my first arpg

[woeful ether]

this one? yeah idfk about this one either

[woeful ether]

at least poe has pob but true

[atomic vapor]

path of building for LE would be a godsend

[austere atlas]

physical, melee, dex, the scaling tags of the skill show it

[flint turret]

im not calling "everyone" a mindless cattle, but the amount of falconer tourists this season is astonishing because of uber abby addition. I do get their reasoning and im not judging people who want to kill uber more easily, and i fully respect people who dig into mechanics. Juse is the best example probably. His planners\descriptions\undertanding was so far off, but he played and farmed a lot, and it worked regardless because falconer is broken anyway. But he wasnt just mindlesly using a class that gives a free pass on a content, he actually started digging deep, and the results are seen by the plain eye

[woeful ether]

not the skill tags but certain passive nodes

can you tell me what "damage specific stats" are

[austere atlas]

this one i was told that it chooses the highest one of the three

[woeful ether]

but it's not clear at all

is the point

[austere atlas]

no i cannot but the skill says what it scales off of so id figure those are the only ones that effect it. definitely agree its not clear

[atomic vapor]

in my eyes, everyone relatively active this season has been testing and contributing to the best of their ability, in their free time. I fully agree that the devs need to get it together and start balancing things properly, but I think it's very clear when someone cares to dig deep, compared to "so guys, divebomb got fixed is falconer dead now?"

bunching everyone up in that category isn't the play imo

that's what kills a community

[austere atlas]

yeah i mean id expect all ARPGs to be the same, most people want to play the strongest class

[austere atlas]

to be fair he wasnt bunching them up, he said people pilot it not knowing how it works and then some do dig in

which id say is how every class works, but on falconeer the need to dig in is basically zero

unless ur pushing giga end game

[atomic vapor]

I'm just expressing my own personal opinion on everything, that's all

[woeful ether]

weapons can't have stats (dex)
there is no crit tag on the skill - so no multi or crit chance?
melee then would specify just melee damage affix

[austere atlas]

i remember a juse video having +melee on dagger id assume thats why

[austere atlas]

there is a node to give ur falcon ur crit chance isnt there?

go for the eyes

and exposed weakness

[woeful ether]

it's all part of it's hard af to know how a specific stat or node allocation impacts your build

[austere atlas]

yeah definitely agree its hard

[woeful ether]

yea there is but it's not on dive bomb

[austere atlas]

thats just how the game is, u either dig in or u dont haha

yeah but dive bomb uses ur falcon

[woeful ether]

the weapon stat node is on dive bomb but the falcon getting your stats are on falconry

[flint turret]

the fact that people dont know how it works doesnt surprise me at the slightest because devs dont know how it works either. Mike gave me wrong answers about falconer multiple times so i gave up on that tbh. The best example is talon knives which says only about damage stats, but transfers literally everything including ailments

[austere atlas]

falconry doesnt make falconry gain crit chance and multi, it gives it to ur falcon. so it seems like it would apply on dive bomb

[atomic vapor]

assume you're a new player, and you see this node. are we in disagreement as to how vague it is? I just got to monos. I'm leveling a falconer. What's "damage specific". does multi count? does pen count? is it only flat damage types? is it increased damage? how do i translate this without external help if all I've got going is my intuition, no dps meter, and a broken character sheet

[woeful ether]

just the fact that you say seems like is what feels bad as a newer player

i want to know what's applying to my skills 😭

not be guessing

[austere atlas]

definitely agree its vague

[austere atlas]

well i could actually do the work and go to a dummy

[atomic vapor]

What I'm trying to say here is, I'll start blaming players for being tourists when the information presented is easy to read

Currently, absolutely nothing in the game is easy to read

[woeful ether]

i think there are ways to try test it but also i had no idea about dummy as a new player lol

[tough tiger]

From my testing it def applies the crit multi, didnt test the phys pen portion but i assume it does too. So annoying

[flint turret]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[tough tiger]

Agree with the annoying ambiguity, i was asking the same thing

[austere atlas]

yeah for sure. just to be very clear, im not saying that anything is easy to figure out or explained thoroughly, im saying that if you do really need to figure it out its possible

[flint turret]

(its wrong)

[austere atlas]

me personally, dont care to figure it out until i have to

[atomic vapor]

You having had to ask gets my point across, no?

[tough tiger]

Also comfy3k newest video, unspecced falconary skill but insane dps still. I feel like idk anything anymore lol

[woeful ether]

its wrong bc its implemented as bugged or what?

[woeful ether]

yea i agree but i also think MOST new players aren't even gonna want to do that. i knwo i don't esp bc i don't even have a great base understand of this game

it's almost hack n slash d3 style in early monos tbh lol

[flint turret]

it doesnt work like he said. i have no idea because of a bug thats there from the beginning or it was the intention all along

[tough tiger]

Holy shit its been over a year wtf

[austere atlas]

yep agree, but if its gonna make their experience negative to play idk why they choose a game like last epoch to play

[atomic vapor]

I wanted to say this the other day in ask the devs but I feared it'd be too sarcastic sounding, but if all season 3 contained was a character information overhaul, I'd genuinely pay extra money for it, and they can keep the ancient era story

I'm sure I'm not alone in this

[woeful ether]

bc even if i go try test on dummy idk if i'm even able to notice what is happening again as a new player. like i wish i could easily read debuffs on bosses but i guess i just have to learn all like 20 icons lmfao

and i can't mouse over the debuff or the boss dies or i die and i still can't mouse over the debuff or whatever

[woeful ether]

tbf i think average people don't even join disc to discuss stuff. like the average is wayyyy more casual than you think

so it's not gonna matter to the majority

the real chads just play games to have fun and have fun doing it whatever it is

[austere atlas]

yeah thats what i mean, they just dont care. they wont consider figuring it out

ur in the starting area where u wanna figure it out, but the game isnt some abc123 game

so it takes time

i think the devs could put in effort to make it better to understand

[atomic vapor]

btw I'm fully aware that poe has had a description clarity issue since forever, and the only reason people can make builds reliably is pob, but I don't care what other games do right or wrong

[woeful ether]

the s2 updates made me want to play the game more which was cool. i mean i played s1 but only did like up to the 3rd harbinger or something

[austere atlas]

but its also not unreasonable to expect this kind of experience in a game like this. theres so many things that impact each other and yeah

[woeful ether]

tbf that's also getting into literally math min max which 🤷 is the .01%

[austere atlas]

.01% or 40% xdd

[flint turret]

you point is perfectly valid, but my point is that even when its fully explained, it still doesnt work like explained

[woeful ether]

does every class have some kind of node or weirdo interaction that doesn't make sense

[undone dune]

probably at least 1

[austere atlas]

less than falconeer thats for sure, but all of them prob have at least one

[atomic vapor]

I'm not saying, full clarity would encourage people to not be tourists as a whole, but for the average willing to care player, the moment they realize, for example, the tooltip dps is useless, they will most likely not bother digging further

[austere atlas]

its kind of a blessing that the game is ambiguous right now. if u knew how everything worked so quickly, ur only goal left is end game. what end game? lmao

[undone dune]

falconer abilities dont even have tooltips

im actually not sure if any minion does

[austere atlas]

i mean were on a patch called 1.2 right? thats hella early

[flint turret]

im still waiting for a perfection fix ever since i started playing in 0.9 and reported it 2 years ago with a video only for a thread to be closed without a response

[woeful ether]

yea for real like bruh where is my dps number 😭

[undone dune]

wait what about perfection is bugged?

[woeful ether]

i saw that and was confused lmao

[austere atlas]

even if it showed u the dps number it would be wrong lmao

[undone dune]

is this why i never see it in builds

[woeful ether]

yea truwe

[flint turret]

the one where you can get 1(one) perfection stack PER MAP with umbrals triggering SD

[undone dune]

huh

[woeful ether]

when i had umbral on bar at least that is how i could check quickly dps increase while leveling 😂

[undone dune]

so shadow daggers works once, but only once?

i figured it would either not work, or always work

[austere atlas]

yeah i took my umbral number from like 22k to 10k and did same damage at some point so

screw dat

[flint turret]

its way more complicated, there are 2 types of SD actually, melee and throwing

[woeful ether]

it's a lot more helpful in campaign

[austere atlas]

for sure yeah

is this ur first ARPG too?

[undone dune]

to be fair the node does say "when you use a melee attack" and shadow daggers being used is not consistant

[woeful ether]

no

[flint turret]

when SD triggers from 4 stacks and at least one of them is melee, it will trigger perfection regardless. if all are throwing, it works once per map

[woeful ether]

poe player mainly but also some casual d3

[austere atlas]

gotcha

[undone dune]

sometimes it is a used skill other times it is not

[austere atlas]

did u hvae these same issue in poe?

[woeful ether]

it has pob but i also accept it is a significantly more complicated game than le

[flint turret]

yeah this too

[woeful ether]

but poe def does have the same issue if you don't use 3rd party tools

[flint turret]

it consumes kismet for whatever reason

[undone dune]

is kismet the scissor?

[austere atlas]

idk what pob is but it sounds like some tool or community because of expert players. so trying to figure out poe by urself would be super hard, way harder than last epoch

[flint turret]

yeah

[woeful ether]

yea it's basically le planner but calculates literally every stat under the sun needed for char, for skill, etc

[austere atlas]

the amount of crazy work theyd have to do to figure it out for u haha, last epoch is like that except not as complicated so i just see it as normal

[undone dune]

LE planner is a double edged sword, if PoE planner had a bug that made a skill's calculated dps lower than it should be people wouldn't play the skill and would complain to GGG to buff it

[flint turret]

https://youtu.be/jZJzue0bPtM

[undone dune]

im kind of glad that LET only does defenses

[undone dune]

imagine throwing just 1 umbral blade at a time

why would anyone play this build as BD

[flint turret]

there was no falconer pre 1.0 bruh

[undone dune]

fair

[atomic vapor]

this still exists?

as in, still not fixed?

that's nuts

[flint turret]

last time i triede it wasnt fixed

[undone dune]

last time i checked the druid shapeshift buffs that never worked ever since 0.8 are still in teh game

[flint turret]

cascade snapshotting is a thing which is not documented anywhere and was in-game forever, same for sync strike shadow hitting twice. Raise your hands who know that sync shadows hit twice each but you yourself hit once

[woeful ether]

both exist tbf
skill doesn't act as it should in game vs what numbers you expect from planner
pob gives number but it's inaccurate bc it's incorrectly configured or just not where the dmg is coming from

[undone dune]

you yourself hit twice but only with escape to shadows

[flint turret]

there are tons of stuff like that

[flint turret]

with retreat shadow hits instead of you

[undone dune]

ohh

well it triggers on hit effects for you

[flint turret]

well all shadows do

[undone dune]

no

at least for scissor only that one does

[flint turret]

wait

you dont get stacks if only not main the shadow hits?

[undone dune]

with scissor and escape to shadows you get 2 stacks not 1

its suppozed to be 1 stack per use

[flint turret]

ah

nice didnt know that

[undone dune]

still worthless

[undone dune]

because of the bug with channeled cascade

[woeful ether]

@austere atlas what did you say i should work on? 2 lp dagger slams and 2-3 lp peak? what's after

[austere atlas]

ur very first upgrade would be a 3LP peak

can u link ur build again i already lost it lmao

[undone dune]

#🔪┃rogue message I think this is still accurate?

found it with search

[austere atlas]

oh yeah here it is

[woeful ether]

i just updated 1 idol and red ring

[undone dune]

getting throwing damae on belt/gloves is huge

[austere atlas]

yeah 3LP helmet is sooo easy to get

[woeful ether]

ah yea now that i have the red ring i can still have 160 dex on shittier roll gloves

[undone dune]

3lp peak is more of a defensive upgrade

[austere atlas]

that is true, i mean u could insta upgrade ur lp2 daggers if u have exalted for it

[atomic vapor]

whenever I get a good enchant, it's t6

[woeful ether]

are you gonna roll over lol

[austere atlas]

to be fair tho he has a 1lp mountain like its so easy to get a 3lp and upgrade that lol

than to get insane exlateds

[atomic vapor]

I think I'll get new idols to gamba t7 on

not ruining mine

cemetaries are so exhausting I swear

[woeful ether]

do you think i should just slam t7/t5 on daggers or only do double t7 exalts for 2lp

[flint turret]

what exactly?

[undone dune]

is that still his build

[woeful ether]

my idols are mid/low roll 😭

[undone dune]

or did i find the wrong link

[woeful ether]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaND8KYo heres fresh import if you need

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 1,802, Regen: 27.6/s
▸ Mana: 244.93, Regen: 14.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 46%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 177 Dex / 23 Int / 23 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 91% / 91% / 91% / 95% / 92% / 95% / 109%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 360
▸ Dodge Chance: 37% (1310)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,345)
▸ Block Chance: 1%, Mitigation: 7% (43)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 4%

Used skills:

Umbral Blades / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[austere atlas]

3LP is pretty common i wouldnt worry too much about BIS on a 2LP

[atomic vapor]

for the people that still grind and didn't drop the season, what number is your total echoes at?

[flint turret]

found one of my explanations about SD perfection #🔪┃rogue message

[woeful ether]

736 rn

[austere atlas]

where do i find this

[woeful ether]

in map

[atomic vapor]

press m

[woeful ether]

bottom right

[undone dune]

so one thing that was actually a huge upgrade for me, if you can find an exalted gloves with +1 max shadows t7 dex and t5+throwing damage those are miles better than blood roost

[austere atlas]

traitors tongue ia 1/11 for 2LP and 1/99 for 3LP so even if u slam near BIS on a 2LP u can easily fix it with another 2LP.

[undone dune]

because +1 shadow lets you get a 4th point in on wings of shadow

[atomic vapor]

they're on my filter. guess if they dropped

[austere atlas]

100% agree, especially the CD gloves

im glyph of envying the fk out of them rn just to roll that lol

[undone dune]

you can farm them in the woven echo that droppes 1 of every champion affix

the hard part is getting an exalted

[austere atlas]

do u know if this imprint prints the same sealed or no

[woeful ether]

it cna't since it's cham,p only isnt it

[undone dune]

imprints tend to work on sealed affixes but I dont think they will work on champion affixes

[austere atlas]

it is champ only

ah

[atomic vapor]

yeah I know that's what I meant. I gave up because it felt like a giga chase item

good base + t7 champ + what, throw?

no thanks

[austere atlas]

doesnt have to be t7

its +1 shadow no matter what right

[atomic vapor]

you know me

oh you mean the champ affix

[austere atlas]

yeah

[undone dune]

there was an EHG reddit post where they said when you imprint an item with a sealed affix it will take 4 of the mods (replacing one with the sealed mod randomly) and use that as the base it rolls against

[atomic vapor]

yeah I meant t7 throw

[austere atlas]

ohh

[woeful ether]

surely this is close enough to what you said right

[atomic vapor]

i think it's also in the desc

[austere atlas]

ah ok

[atomic vapor]

of the imprint

more or less at least

can I be honest. I don't trust their tooltips

I won't chase something I have doubts about being chaseable

[austere atlas]

just know that this would probably increase ur damage but cut ur survivability by like a third or half

in healing, not in tankiness

u dont rly need it.. ive been trying to get off of blood roost for so long

[woeful ether]

i mean all my deaths are 1 shot atm so

[austere atlas]

all blood roost does is give u another umbral blade at this point like zz

[woeful ether]

idt dropping survivability means anything lmao

[undone dune]

I believe this echo drops 1 of every champion affix

granted they wont all be exalted

but CoF makes most of them

[atomic vapor]

btw this is pretty good, like it's as close to god gloves as you could get for your first drop pre imprint ( if it remotely works). if you rerolled that thing to throw, yeah

it's just so crazy hard to get maxed out

[austere atlas]

yeah its for an imprint but i hvaent touched it

[atomic vapor]

you have the champ affix, the best glove base, and a purple stat

[austere atlas]

i want to reroll the t7 with the

rune of redemption

[atomic vapor]

don't ruin the fp

farm them

[austere atlas]

but i want to fully understand how imprinting works

yeah i figured its better to farm them

[atomic vapor]

if at least 1 drops with the champ affix sealed

then it's farmable

[austere atlas]

right now i have a T7T7T7 glove cuz i was helping others find them lmao but i need to put this thing in there now

[woeful ether]

what champ mods should be on my filter? just mirages?

[undone dune]

i really dont think you can imprint champion affixes

[atomic vapor]

I agree

[undone dune]

the imprint that requires you to kill champions would overwrite the mod

[austere atlas]

T7 throwing T5 dex and some random garbage like elemental resist and hybrid hp

[undone dune]

t7 dex might be better

if you can get to 180 dex (200 with quiver)

losing the +10 dex from bloodroost hurts

[austere atlas]

the cooldown recovery tho, is pretty nice

and extra shadow

[undone dune]

yeah

i dont even have CDR lol i have like necro res

the extra shadow is very good

[atomic vapor]

it's just sad if it's not imprintable because those gloves make me sad lmao

[austere atlas]

dex is seriously overrated, the priority of dex should be right under base damage in endgame

[atomic vapor]

cdr implicit + t7

man

[austere atlas]

yeah idk. if its not then its not then end of the world

i can use 10% endurnace and crit chance, and throw some hybrid hp on there lol

pray i hit the t7 reroll

(i wont)

[woeful ether]

would non exalt +1 shadow be worth still

[austere atlas]

imo yes

[undone dune]

probably

but its closer

[austere atlas]

the difference between exalted and yellow is like

[undone dune]

and you really need dex and throwing damage

[austere atlas]

a small % for 1 stat lol

yeah

[woeful ether]

yea i was just wsondering if t5t5 dex throw was also good

[undone dune]

yeah

[austere atlas]

the nice part about exalted or yuellow glove is u not only get ur necessary stats (dex +throwing) but u can more for free instead of chasing a 4LP. so u get hybrid hp and void/ele resist

yes it is

[undone dune]

dex only matters if you are hitting a 20 point brekapoint otherwise its wasted

[atomic vapor]

also without the roosts you lose a pretty decent amount of recovery imo

[austere atlas]

its like 1/2-1/3 of ur recovery

[woeful ether]

yea zz said that

[undone dune]

i found that umbral blades can get this back with life on crit from the tree actually

[austere atlas]

theres a passive tree 3/5 skill and a falconry skill

[undone dune]

i was fine

[woeful ether]

?

[austere atlas]

falconry

[undone dune]

ohh

[atomic vapor]

doesn't that get shut down by peak?

[austere atlas]

passive

[undone dune]

no because its health gain and not health leech

its like life on hit

but its life on crit

[atomic vapor]

oh it's health gained you're right my bad

it's late

[austere atlas]

and the crit avoidance sustain but its wasted points in passive tree if you can get blind somewhere

[undone dune]

oh speaking of tree.... foxy your passives are all messed up

you are using full divebomb passives

[austere atlas]

oh no i didnt see those lemme look

[woeful ether]

😭

[undone dune]

unless i have the wrong persons tree open

which i might

i have a lot of tabs

[austere atlas]

oh yeah

hes using dive bomb

[woeful ether]

i have flock of crows

[austere atlas]

skiasynthesis

[undone dune]

no thats skillpoints

[austere atlas]

o

wat

[undone dune]

this part

is not very high value for umbral blades

[austere atlas]

and this

[undone dune]

yeah also that

[austere atlas]

those 3 circled are like completely worthless for umbral compared to the other stuff

[undone dune]

move hte points in shadow damage to physical throwing damge right above it

[austere atlas]

no

u want it for marksman

concentration

[undone dune]

well

those points are also good

[austere atlas]

u can just do the 16 points in marksman and put some in +throwing damage tho

[woeful ether]

what do i get in falconer then

[austere atlas]

concentration will give u 16% more damage, but u lose the 160 dodge and 20% dodge with concentration, and reducing the refresh after taking dmg to 32% (4s to like 2.72s), and 10% less hit damage taken with concentration

most of the middle row is OP

[undone dune]

something like this

[austere atlas]

definitely not 4/5 on that top left one

[undone dune]

i only have the 3 points in health on crit due to dropping blood roost

you need those 4 points

to get to 20

[austere atlas]

outlanders tenacity is OP

IMO