🔪┃rogue

[flint turret]

unless you dont have it specced for some reason

[silver agate]

I do, i was just afraid that without inward, not all shadows will hit boss

[flint turret]

they will

you can try it on a dummy

bosses have much bigger hitboxes than dummy

[silver agate]

removed inward, now 61 mana, it seems the +100% mana was calculated after inward xd

its already big difference

[flint turret]

ofc it is, its a multiplier

[silver agate]

nice, ill now try doing some more content with that! thanks!

I`ll do Synchronized strike > shadow cascade into groups, and smoke bomb on cooldown for silver shroud and additional shadow generation, since they give me HP, ward, and leave bladestorms from umbral blades everywhere 😄

and punctures in between for mana

[flint turret]

no sync into shift?

oh i also forgot about 5th way to get mana

you can spec umbrals for mana gain on recall with shift

[silver agate]

i dont want to recall them, i want bladestorms on ground that deal good damage and apply shadowblades very fast xd

Also i loved shift, but i specced smokebomb to traversal skill, and now it shares cooldown with shift

[flint turret]

i would argue about both good damage and fast SD application, but whatever )

[silver agate]

But in return i have silver shroud and much further jump on 5second cooldown

[flint turret]

what

no shift in a cascade build?

bruh

[silver agate]

i just jump in with smokebomb leap and use it manually 😄

I only need to use it once anyway

[flint turret]

do you know about snapshotting?

[silver agate]

hmm not really

[flint turret]

yeah i guessed as much becasue of traversal smoke kekw

[silver agate]

But i guess now that i followed your advice, and i pumped HP from 1100 to 2300, and i have 100% crit defence, and 50% dodge chance in lvl100 areas, i no longer need that silver shroud every few seconds xd

[flint turret]

when you manually cast cascade it "remembers" the amount of shadows you casted it with and afterwards it will be the same for any trigger(shift or dancing strikes or whatever)

[silver agate]

And since i`ll now get 4 shadows from synchronized strike, i dont need bomb to generate them

[flint turret]

untill you manually cast it again

[noble hull]

feels weird with these shadows, i feel more slow maybe im tweaking idk

[flint turret]

i never said shadows increase your mobility tho

[noble hull]

i mean in terms of dps

but i am just tweaking i

think

[silver agate]

wait, do you mean, that if i get 5 shadows, cast cascade manually, then i can just zoom zoom zoom and all my shift-generated cascades will act as 5shadow bonuses for whole map if i dont cast it manually again?>

[flint turret]

yes

[silver agate]

is there a time limit or something?

[flint turret]

same with dancing strikes or whatever

no

[silver agate]

holy hell, that is huge

[flint turret]

usually you want to snapshot 4 shadows

[silver agate]

i think i can do 5

[flint turret]

because the node max out at 4

you dont want 5

[silver agate]

ah, then just 4shadow synchronized strike and thats all

what else does it snapshot?

[silver agate]

Like bonus from standing in smoke bomb too?

or damage bonus from perfection?

[flint turret]

im not sure actually, i havent tested. my guess would be no

[silver agate]

am so excited now, gonna go do testing 😄

also in that case umbral blades also byebye to make room for spring

Also question, the shift node that does bigger damage to next damaging ability, if i have a node that uses does shadow cascade after shift, is that bonus used on that?

[flint turret]

i think you can live perfectly fine without puncture tbh

[flint turret]

it deosnt work on triggered skills, only the next manually used skill will benefit

[silver agate]

Well now i wont use synchronized strike anyway, since if i am only using shift-generated cascade, either i will hit the boss with it, or shades that i left behind on start spot

unless i use synchronized strike to leave 4 shadow at boss, run away, and shift back

[flint turret]

you need sync bro

thats your main source of shadows

[silver agate]

on boss i can do that, leave them at boss, run away and go back with shift to hit with shadows i left at bosses location with sync

unless boss moves xd

[flint turret]

why i dont understand

you just sync into shift or if shift on cd you sync into cascade

[silver agate]

because if i use sync strike on boss to leave shadows, and then use shift

i will shift away from range

unless i back up a bit

[flint turret]

i dont see any problem with it tbh

[silver agate]

well then my shadow cascade wont hit

if i shift away xd

[flint turret]

shadows dont move with you

how it wont hit

[silver agate]

yes, but then shadows hit, but i dont

[flint turret]

who cares

[silver agate]

doesnt whole idea of snapshot require me to hit? unless it works on shadows too

[flint turret]

shadows are you

except they are getting an extra damage from your damage with shadows affixes

[silver agate]

ah, its even awesomer

thank you so much, now i`ll go do some testing and practice 😄

[flint turret]

also

if you really want to hug the boss you can get this

whoops

you are getting 6 mana on shadows consume so its a net positive anyway

[silver agate]

hmm nice

[flint turret]

you can just spam sync untill you are dry

[silver agate]

alrighty! time to put my testing hat on and go have fun with respeccing

thanks!

[flint turret]

its a decent tactic with reen because shadows from sync hit twice

you can stack it really fast

150 free crit multi is pretty good

[woeful ether]

is the flat minion melee damage the best idol enchant?

[woeful ether]

i did it! just got good and killed uberroth after an hour of trying things

[trail pumice]

my luck is really peaking today!

[ivory sentinel]

On my cascade I used shift as generator, only ever using cascade once when enter new area to remember 4 shadows, then sync-shift to trigger and get mana back, after lowlife swap changed to sync-sync-shift, never run oom.

[atomic vapor]

testing umbrals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGJ76jB3k2w

1:03 in a 2 man party with my friend

[trail pumice]

i cant wait for your version @atomic vapor i will be speccing into it probably lmao 😄

[tough tiger]

Niceee, i like to put unspecced sync strike just to get 2 shadows if he moves

[trail pumice]

how is your farming going @tough tiger

[atomic vapor]

obviously i need to do huge optimization

I got 7% idols still

[trail pumice]

i believe in you mate, you've been so helpful with everyone

[atomic vapor]

the grind never stops man haha

[trail pumice]

100% i have had 1 red ring and that belt up there today

3lp queen chaps with decent rolls

[atomic vapor]

I got a trash jungle belt, still no dex on boots (was working all day today)

huge optimization to be done still

[trail pumice]

well i look forward to your build

[tough tiger]

I stopped, too lazy to get the last few small upgrades

I saw your belt, looks sick

I killed over 40 ubers might just play next season again

[tough tiger]

Lemme see your current build, i feel like it should be pretty optimal

[trail pumice]

I haven't even killed Uber yet 😭

[atomic vapor]

i haven't even enchanted the idols

[tough tiger]

I think from last time you have a lil bit to go. Red rings and 180dex should be easy.

My first kill was 150dex and cold relic before swapping to the uber aberroth relic

[woeful ether]

i just killed him with 1 lp slams on my gear 160 dex

it wasn't a breeze but wasn't crazy difficult

and controller so the smoke bomb placement is really awful lol

[trail pumice]

Yeah I'm just grinding out my gear right now, think I have 166 Dex now

[tough tiger]

Hows it playing on a controller otherwise? Seems pretty chill

Oops mean at foxy

[woeful ether]

it's really nice i rebound so i just use the bumper and triggers to spam skills and you can hold it down instead of using macro. i mostly had to swtich bc i got wrist problems using kbm

[atomic vapor]

is there any way to force LE tools to update

[woeful ether]

took a few days to get used to it. i use kbm tho for prophecy rolling and otherr stuff when i need to click

movement feels good tho with controller stick

you do have to get used to the targetting bc aa flip or smoke bomb flip into mobs can be annoying. like the weaver boss at the end where it also has a ring of adds around it i hated bc i kept doing damage to the adds not the boss. but you start to play around it

but honestly sometimes i flip to a mob that isn't even on my screen and that feels amazing

[atomic vapor]

oh well, it's whatever

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Blasdrimal/character/Sylvie @tough tiger

any feedback is welcome

[woeful ether]

uh shouldnt' you swap your traitors

offhand one has less crit than main hand

or does it not matter and the game actually reads it properly?

[woeful ether]

why not take strike their flank in passive tree for 4 points for 6% more damage?

[atomic vapor]

I knew I forgot something, I'll change it when I'm back online. I already swapped daggers around I was testing it just STILL hasn't updated

[woeful ether]

good to know that it's a good idea lol. i've seen trees without it and was wondering

[atomic vapor]

I mean i haven't looked around much

I mostly swapped on my own lol

I probably missed more things

[woeful ether]

yea me too. maybe raptor's wings for the haste more damage

[celest cairn]

@atomic vapor I know this wasn't aimed at me but doesn't Spikefield not work since you took Storm on the Horizon?

[undone dune]

should be easy to test, as far as I know you still get additional spikes half way between cast point and your location

when it isnt' a movement

[celest cairn]

so it seems to cast it where you target rather than halfway between but it does work

[undone dune]

I dont think you need the phys res shred blessing, divebomb should be enough to keep phys shred maxed on targets that matter

[ornate nexus]

Which bow is generally preferred for heartseeker? I used to play dragonsong cinder strike back in early access so I'm familiar with that playstyle.

[wraith nacelle]

Made one last core push with heart seeker but shades are really getting to be a pain now unless I get a blood shade with a decent move set . My set up:https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/EyeofSuede/character/TheSuedeEye

Still haven't gotten uber with heart seeker yet any recommendation for the fight would be welcome

[tough tiger]

Really strong! Bro those gloves are perfect

I think only things that stood out was the 5% dmg skill node in falconer and blessing, shred phy since divebomb does it, and in AA you may want to get the armor shred from umbrals

Helm i dont think you need the increased armor shred duration, since we can get 150+ stacks easily. Maybe T7 dex is an option too with double hp

I would play around with the idols, phys pen might be better than crit multi/increased throw dmg but its close. Id be curious tho for science checking damage on a dummy

[wild harbor]

get another 4lp and reroll lel

[tough tiger]

Does talon knives in dive bomb work with the crit chance from daggers? So hard to test this

[wild harbor]

no its the minions attack

the only exception i can think of is umbral blades from aerial assault because it uses your tree

[tough tiger]

Talon knives gives 30% of damage specific modifiers from weapons to dive bomb

Crit chance is on dagger but its also a unique modifier so it feels like a gray area

[cobalt mantle]

It's not supposed to, but afaik it's bugged to apply all stats, not just damage ones.

[tough tiger]

So basically its adding 3-4% crit to dive bomb per dagger?

Even tho the crit only works with the offhand dagger

Crit chance is damage related so i would expect to get 3-4% from single offhand dagger

[cobalt mantle]

If you're talking about traitor's tongue, don't think that unique effect will work for talon knives

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, but to be clear, crit chance is not a damage stat since it doesn't have the word "damage" in it

[flint turret]

You lack damage imo. Also I'd recommend red rings t7 dex on both+nihilis

Get sniper gambit in mm for 30 flat

Remove armor shred in mm

Get raptor wings in falc

Remove glansing blows in rogue

Try not to use idols that are not vertical. Get phys res on gear instead

Replace idols either with % hp or cold pen depending on if you want damage or defense

Big one with recurve+damage while welding a bow+repeat a skill is also great for damage

You can get even more DPS if you get gloom needle in hs, and shadow generation on smoke and dark quiver

And recurve on dark quiver

https://youtu.be/s6QKDRHdoC4?si=TbxTJ3iSHRREDLiC
If you want a reference

At the end of the day it just needs lots of practice

[uncut notch]

has someone here with a cold heartseeker build that can comfortably farm in 1000c? Im currently sitting in 500c comfortably but Im thinking how can I survive 1000c.

here is my current character: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/fya8x05a#1

[flint turret]

Link above

[uncut notch]

yeah I just saw it lol

thanks!

that LP1 Omnis is nasty

[flint turret]

I don't recommend omnis over nihilis tbh

Much harder to farm and res is somewhat useless with red rings

[uncut notch]

I agree

[flint turret]

And nihilis is also an easy source of frenzy

[uncut notch]

true

I actually got a LP2 nihilis

but the rolls suck

so idk what to do with it

[flint turret]

Nothing I guess

[tough tiger]

I think crit multi does gets inherited based on my testing, it doesnt have the word damage in it

[atomic vapor]

Helm and belt are my very next wip. I've got two 2lp 2/11 razorfalls which I'm too greedy and want 2/12s so I haven't gotten to fixing those yet. That helm is literally the first helm I ever slammed and I never bothered again with it. I have multiple double t7 helms in the stash so that's probably gonna be the easiest one to upgrade after. Shred was a wip from before, I just forgot to switch it back to armor, I was experimenting with it to see if I can have faster slam phases if uber gets 10 stacks applied instantly, I just never switched it back. Which 5% damage node are you referring to? It feels familiar but I'm at a loss

(double reply for Kezic as well I guess since I just got to checking my phone, work Sunday)

[stoic shadow]

what is the go to falconer uber build after patch?

[wraith nacelle]

I have red rings with t7 dex was trying out getting an extra 20% multiplicative damage if it was worth more then 10 extra dex but had to use omnis for rezes over nihilis to make up for the rez deficit I had with out red rings but I can switch back to red rings and nihlis if it’s more damage

[woeful hill]

whats the reason you went for ocearon instead of red rings?

[flint turret]

20 Dr from rings is big

[wraith nacelle]

Was trying getting an extra 20 percent multiplicative damage from ocearon but does make you supper glassy

[woeful hill]

i feel like at my point in progression having a 3LP Nomad ring with dex / health / res is more ehp than red rings, just because i get more than 10% health pool from the nomad. I assume RR pops off once you have some good hp scaling from other sources like belt/helm/gloves?

[woeful hill]

I was also thinking about it, since you can get some DR on them as well, so it seemed like a mini RR with some damage bonus on top

[wraith nacelle]

Can you send a link to your setup so I can compare the passive tress latter to see where we differ

[flint turret]

Link in the video desc

[woeful hill]

the gear in the description is low LP?

that looks like a juiced character to me, aside from a 4LP Peak of the Montain and a 2LP Null Portent, what would you even realistically upgrade there?

[tough tiger]

Its the one in falconer, yours was 2/3 can make it 3/3 on the left side bottomish

[atomic vapor]

How on earth did I miss that. I respecced late at night, thanks 😭

Oh also idols wise, I didn't exactly have the luxury to pick

I wasted a mill favor, those are the best ones that popped out

I've got every possible usable stat combo on my filter so I'll be experimenting

I don't have anything else to spend favor on. I get better boots by imprints, and I've got multi exalts for every slot, so I'll finish the gear up through imprinting alone at this point

[flint turret]

2-3lp row, 3lp jungle, 3-4 lp sanguine/troaka, 2lp nihilis, 1lp vise, 1lp chains, double exalted slams, etc

[atomic vapor]

how come you don't have 1lp vise yet? they drop like genuine candy for me. Horrid rng? I got two 2lp ones for my friend even

[flint turret]

Do you think I want to farm Uber when it takes 10 min to kill him after 2 days of failed practice?

[slate mulch]

Past the 5 min mark I don’t think a build can consistently farm uber even if you play well

Unless it’s something like judgement which is immortal but low damage

10 min is ultra hard mode

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, crit multi not a damage stat either, but the node is bugged so it just passes on all stats

[slate mulch]

8 min with shuriken took me 2 days, 10 min sounds actually exponentially harder

[atomic vapor]

I genuinely had no idea you were on such a grind 😭

[slate mulch]

If I was all in on trying to farm a non uber build up w Ubers tbh I would make a falconer alt to kill him

[atomic vapor]

I understand people wanting to gear up a character using only that character

But yeah personally I work a lot so I don't have a lot of free time

[flint turret]

Yeah it's a bit different when you don't use broken mastery/build

[tough tiger]

I see yeah, thats why i was wondering what happens with the crit chance from daggers. The exact point when the falcon gets crit capped

[woeful hill]

ROW is better than gathering fury with same LP? noted.
Also I wont be getting my hands on vise without killing uber first

but basically insane levels of grinding if you want uber dead, even on good builds

which chains are you talking about btw?

[flint turret]

Yeah I'd say 1lp row is almost the same DPS as 3lp fury. The only difference is attack speed which results in more life on hit

I failed to slam 5-6 2lp row with crit multi so the best I had with shred suffix which is the same as 1lp

[flint turret]

Abby relic

[woeful hill]

isnt that shattered worlds?

[small glen]

Shattered Chains is a belt

If I remember correctly

[woeful hill]

well then, shattered chains makes snese again

but why would oyu run it on hs marksman?

[flint turret]

sorry i forgot the name of abby relic, i remembered it as shattered chains for some reason

like i said i meant abby relic, not chains belt

[ornate nexus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZvKOvDB So obviously my gear is hella scuffed still but any improvements skill-wise to frostbite heartseeker? I'm feeling very squishy atm but that should be solved as gear improves (although after playing shield bash FG everything feels squishy)

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 79

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (35) / Bladedancer (4) / Marksman (53)

General:

▸ Health: 1,449, Regen: 13/s
▸ Mana: 188.6, Regen: 8.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 58%, Regen: 18/s
▸ Attributes: 3 Str / 47 Dex / 3 Int / 13 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 30% / 77% / 40% / 44% / 23% / 15% / 8%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 42%, Threshold: 290
▸ Dodge Chance: 17% (444)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (421)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 8%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 37%

Used skills:

Puncture / Shift / Shurikens / Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb

[atomic vapor]

I'm free

(bit the bullet and slammed 11 dex I cba anymore)

[prisma marlin]

Those boots look too pretty. Here’s something to balance it out.

[atomic vapor]

jesus christ you missed the dex didn't you

[prisma marlin]

It’s still very beefy. Adds flexibility with idols

[atomic vapor]

how come you didn't pick dex on the cache

[prisma marlin]

I want a lil more defensive layer. Trying to go for uber aberroth build with a more standard build

Slammed this today too

[atomic vapor]

if that was the intent it balances nothing in that regard

still a beefcake of a chest

guess what I'm currently working on haha

(don't have a single one with the correct stats)

[prisma marlin]

Peak of the mountain is easy to farm, So it will be my next multi exalt slam

[atomic vapor]

it's not the unique that scares me

I bet this purple will take a long time

[prisma marlin]

My helm imprinted 2x exalt only has 27 FP, so you’re doing a good job with 62

[atomic vapor]

it's my latest conquered tower find

not complaining at all

it's just that redemption on helm is obnoxious

rolls through all the class affixes

my current umbrals idols

working on the enchants

all my favor goes on idols at this point

[stoic shadow]

Got a planner @atomic vapor ?

[atomic vapor]

it's super WiP

[woeful ether]

i asked this the other day isn't the flat minion throwing best?

[atomic vapor]

.

I'll probably end up rolling chance+multi or damage+movement speed

if I get enough crit chance to cap without the blessing, I'm switching

[woeful ether]

oh yeah ms was great

[atomic vapor]

actually lemme check

yeah I need one more crit chance enchant

cool

fixed lol

back to multi blessing

[stoic shadow]

Thanks:)

[undone dune]

I just use the flat dodge blessing at this point

[undone dune]

minion throwing isn't that useful for umbral blades, the falcon throws umbral blades for you, and uses your stats

[woeful ether]

oh so if it were flat throwing itwould be good

[atomic vapor]

personally I'd still pick crit chance on at least two

it crit caps me without the blessing

[woeful ether]

that makes sense

[atomic vapor]

I'm sure a maxrolled peak also crit caps

but I dread the day I have to farm for that helm, currently farming the purple

[woeful ether]

are peaks easy to farm wiht portal charms

idk what else i would use them on

[atomic vapor]

it's really time consuming but yeah

[woeful ether]

even with charm?

guess i'm sticking to my 1 lp one lmao

i've only dropped from the dungeon node so idk what it's like

[atomic vapor]

it's just that that bossfight can take up to 3 minutes I think per kill

I'll do it with a friend to do one side each

and even then I hate thinking about the grind lol

but yeah finally over 200 dex with a crappy 8 dex peak

pretty happy with this season

[ornate nexus]

The time-gated part of waiting for the pyres is only like 30 sec, it's not THAT bad.

Going with someone else is a lot faster yeah

[atomic vapor]

it's very bad when it's one loading screen to go in, one to go out, two sides 30second or so each + boss room, over and over and over

and 4lp is what 1/200something

it's still one of the fastest 4lps in the game

but hooly

[ornate nexus]

30 sec total, not 30 sec each side

[atomic vapor]

is it only 15 each side, I remember it way longer

[ornate nexus]

I've never genuinely timed it but I'm pretty sure it's not longer than 20

[atomic vapor]

once i'm done with the purple imprint

[ornate nexus]

If you're fast you can drop the boss into P2 before he does his second big slam

[atomic vapor]

i'll time it with a friend

boss dies instantly

it instapops

not the issue

[ornate nexus]

Yeah I just mean fast in P1 to get the amber onto the second pyre

He can't phase WHILE doing a mechanic so if he starts the slam he's gotta finish it, it's annoying.

I've burned like 200 charms so far this cycle, still no 4 LP boots or helm

[atomic vapor]

once I'm ready I'm gonna go all in

plan an entire weekend for it with my irl friend

I won't stop until I get it

and it's two times the loot pool for two people

[woeful ether]

do both people need keys

[atomic vapor]

no

but it wouldn;t matter either way in the endgame

we're sitting at around 1k+ combined

[ornate nexus]

Actually do both people need portal charms is the question

I've not run a multiplayer dungeon since they introduced charms

[atomic vapor]

no, 1 key 1 portal

[ornate nexus]

Ah that's nice

[woeful ether]

i was wondering if i could rope my friend in to help farm but they haven't played

[atomic vapor]

if they don't mind doing the most boring grind in the entire game

they can die in the fight too

they still get loot from the boss

which they can send you with no resonance

because same map

[ornate nexus]

So really you should go with someone who needs like, boots but not helm

That'd be the big brain play

[atomic vapor]

Well my friend doesn't need a tradeoff to help me with it because we play arpgs together

He needs something we grind it

Vice versa

But yeah if a friend needs it too, you gotta get two sadly

[trail pumice]

well thanks i think lmao

[trail pumice]

just got this belt, would you say between 600m and 700m for it?

or i am been a bit too far fetched lmao

[woeful hill]

pog?

[ornate nexus]

How come I see people running null portent with peak of the mountain? Is it literally just for the 20% flat damage reduction since the leech effect won't work.

[prime trellis]

dmg reduction hp, but there are other options for chest aswell.

[ornate nexus]

What else would you run as an option for tankiness? I'm feeling very squishy right now on my marksman

Don't have the resists to make null portent do much atm

[tough tiger]

Brewmasters belt can be pretty good with some hp/end stack

[prime trellis]

i would not run any defensive chest, hp do nothing, since the rogue hp pool is small anways. later on, you either dodge or get one shotted. get red rings, resist cap and crit avoidance. if you dont have high resist null portent is kinda weak, you can use pale ox to get more hp. i use abadon.

[ornate nexus]

Not even high enough level to equip the single red ring I've gotten lol

[prime trellis]

what kind of corruption you are running? if you want to be tankier in early stage get a pale ox with high hp + slam and a brew belt

and stack dodge with blessig/ idols

[ornate nexus]

Only at 130, I'm basically just pushing into empowered. I'm spoiled by having played shield bash FG which can facetank almost everything without caring.

[prime trellis]

idk which marksman build you are playing. but i finished my 2 days from zero to hero uber kill challenge. and if you stack dodge high enough it should be fine. the rogue which i was using wasnt event resist capped cuz i didnt found everything i wanted in the 2 days.

[ornate nexus]

Damn uber in 2 days on a marksman sounds crazy

I'm doing frostbite heartseeker atm which might be part of the issue, less upfront damage for immediate screenclear

[atomic vapor]

if you stick to 1k for farming endgame, nothing really feels overly squishy when you're at the minmaxing stage

even bad bossing builds do well for mapping

dot builds would be the ones suffering the most i'd imagine

and even then, some outliers like timerot still murder

[ornate nexus]

Yeah timerot is barely a dot build in practice bc you're scaling damage so high

[atomic vapor]

swarmblade is also very strong for mapping compared to a lot of dot builds

[prime trellis]

mapping with swarmblade was bad, cuz u are meele. i just used him as uber farmer lol

[ornate nexus]

Idk I could probably swap to just regular heartseeker but I've been wanting to make frostbite marksman ever since early access with I first got a Troaka's drop

And the heartseeker/puncture synergy is crazy

[prime trellis]

i mean yeah he can map fine, but it feels underwhelming

[atomic vapor]

I'm a filthy meta servant this season because of irl commitments

[prime trellis]

ES vk is the most comfy grinder in my opinion

with max movementspeed just press rmb

[atomic vapor]

never had a single issue with balanced non broken falconer

falconer problems revolve around complaining that divebomb has a 1-1.5 second delay before it starts raining shadow falcons on your target

then you go umbrals and complain your resistances went down because you took the stout idols off

struggling honestly

[ornate nexus]

Looking at what I have to swap to regular heartseeker. What gloves would you wear, just a good exalt? Maxroll has 1 LP Rav Void which is hilarious as a "mid-tier" item

[trail pumice]

only if it was lp3

[flint turret]

Its not as hard to get as you might think it is. Usually it's harder to find a good exalt to slam into 3-4 lp item then to get 1lp ravs or rr

Outside of raws, paws/boulder/river are pretty good

[ornate nexus]

I know they're not that bad if you go and sit down and farm them but like, I've essentially just entered empowered but I'm way past yellows which is what their starting gear is.

How is the next step Rav Void with no in-between?

You wouldn't use river on heartseeker marksman though right? Unless you were doing throwing I guess.

[flint turret]

Because farming good exalted to slam into 3lp boulder/paws/river is basically the same as farming ravs

Before them just use any t7 dex/hybrid hp and whatever else on a decent exalted base

[flint turret]

Why not? Dodge % is not that easy to get

[atomic vapor]

didn't expect the first one to be god tier anyway but I don't have something sick to slap in

[ornate nexus]

Dang that didn't take long at all, gz

[atomic vapor]

thanks, but I'll probably use another one

not so much for the 4 to stats but that crit sets me back

we shall see

[ornate nexus]

Yeah true enough. At least it's a potential reroll

[atomic vapor]

the grind never stops 🙏

[ornate nexus]

Even if my best is a 1 LP? That's probably exalted territory I'd imagine

[flint turret]

Ofc no, that's why I said farming ravs is basically the same as slamming a 3lp lower tier gloves

Or even easier

I mean if you dit have ANY gloves, 1lp with t7 dex is still decent

But it's easy to get lots of 3lp of paws/boulder

Not so easy to slam them tho

[atomic vapor]

never got 1lp ravs myself and I spent millions of favor for decent blood roosts at the first month of the season. tho ig without imprinting them, dropping a 1lp from prophecy is a bit too much

not impossible tho, I gotten 1lp red ring from prophecy before

[ornate nexus]

Yeah I get what you're saying, I guess I'm just thinking that there's a step between "levelling yellows" and slammed unique. But that step is just "the same yellow but with purple affixes"

[flint turret]

Dunno, I got it pretty fast. The chance is only slightly worse than rr, and you can also farm ravs from a boss

[ornate nexus]

Yeah I'd imagine if you were farming them specifically you'd farm Gaspar

[atomic vapor]

yeah you can spam gaspar harby I know

but still idk, maybe I was "unlucky"

it's 1/24 i think base

1/12 for cof

[flint turret]

Yeah, pretty much. You can slam 2-3 lp boulder or paws with any t7 dex you get too, it will be decent for the time being

T7 hybrid can eat lots of havocs

[atomic vapor]

would be cool if immortal vise came in dex/int variants too

[flint turret]

Well if you have access to vise, go for it over everything else by all means

Its much better than everything else you can get

[atomic vapor]

it's a little rare with 2lp, so you can't slam hybrid for example

but vise with t7 dex is super reasonable

[flint turret]

I'd slam it with t7 hybrid tbh

As I did with ravs

[ornate nexus]

What's a common 5th skill for heartseeker? I had puncture bc ailment, would just respeccing puncture for hit damage still be decent for clear?

[atomic vapor]

i wanna double health this for maps, but there's no way in hell I'm getting cdr and double health in here

[ornate nexus]

I kinda question the usefulness of speccing cinder strike just for burning dagger buffs that maxroll has.

[flint turret]

There are different setups but almost all of them use puncture specced

[atomic vapor]

I played some heartseeker and burning daggers didn't seem to be doing a whole lot I'll be honest

[flint turret]

Puncture is the only clear hs has

[ornate nexus]

Alright yeah that's kinda what I was thinking too

I'll just reorient my puncture for hit instead of dot

[atomic vapor]

maxroll says dragonfire should be more dps but

I have my doubts about it when minmaxed

[ornate nexus]

As opposed to RoW?

[atomic vapor]

yeah I think the cold build can push further because it hyperspecializes

I could obv be wrong

[ornate nexus]

I mean with mourningfrost you're mostly cold on either bow right?

The base damage on dragonfire is whatever, you're scaling the 10 flat per dex which is cold

[atomic vapor]

yes but I really don't see how it can outperform a puncture build in the endgame

[sage canyon]

how does channeled flurry scale with attack speed?

[atomic vapor]

it's funny because dragon fire is genuinely most of your damage at mid corruption and it gives the impression that the cold variant is useless which it might as well be with similar gear

but I feel like a decked out marksman with 3lp bow, teeth and mourns can push way farther

and they're all not too horrible to get with 3lp especially for bow when the game showers you with envy

and mourns can be farmed with trove easily

[flint turret]

You also get around 60 flat from drafonfangs

[marsh plank]

I've flipped back and forth and I find cold a bit better for bossing and fire better for mapping but both are pretty viable imo

[atomic vapor]

oh yeah maybe fire has good aoe clear

[marsh plank]

My biggest issue is mana on a fire build

[atomic vapor]

I had 0 mana issues the moment I got red rings

[ornate nexus]

Oooh right yeah heartseeker stuff. I played dragonsong back in early access when it was cinder strike so that's new to me.

Yeah 60 flat is a lot when applied to dragonfire

[flint turret]

I don't like dragonsong at all, but I do like fire hs with row

[ornate nexus]

I guess that's why they run both shreds

[atomic vapor]

that's another thing I dislike about the dragonsong setup

[ornate nexus]

I slammed a dragonsong so that's what I'm starting out with

[atomic vapor]

double shreds turns the build into an even bigger squishy mcsquishlord

[flint turret]

Dragonsong feels pretty terrible being almost melee and especially with wasd

[atomic vapor]

it is almost melee and it starves for defensive mechanisms imo

[ornate nexus]

Smoke bomb and pray

[marsh plank]

Smoke bomb and pray indeed

[atomic vapor]

I wish it had more silver shroud proc opportunities

[marsh plank]

I got a 3lp on the heartseeker helmet today, is this useful at all?

[atomic vapor]

throw builds are dot right?

[marsh plank]

I guess, I haven't figured out what to do with throw heart seeker

[ornate nexus]

Awww they changed the animation for dragonfire?

I kinda liked the old one more

[atomic vapor]

everyone did apparently lol

[ornate nexus]

Hmmm maybe there's a shot they change it back then

Is it new this season?

[ornate nexus]

Yeah I'm not sure how you'd play this without puncture, feels like that's doing so much of the work. I guess against a boss you could swap it out.

[static kestrel]

[slate mulch]

@sage canyon cooking a channeled flurry build?

[sage canyon]

yes

[wild harbor]

kinda tempted to go play acid flask
got +2 body with +4 slammed on lel

wasted my 13% crit traitors tongue on another build tho so now all i got is +11%

[sage canyon]

play bow mm flask

better than dagger mems that work only with op gear

[sage canyon]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/g27t1004#2 here planner, including starter, kills uber below 2 min on budget

[wild harbor]

owo

ew that means id actually have to go get a good bow lel

i mean to be fair i chickened out of my heartseeker build so i do have a dragonsong with t7 crit and bow attack speed

[sage canyon]

ehh wdym

u need 1lp for crit to start

[wild harbor]

ye id be good then

wait i think thats the build i was looking at ... and i just jerryrigged the dual wield melee setup into the idea

[sage canyon]

u can play melee too, bow better imo

[wild harbor]

i still hate how the best way to acid flask is still traps

[wild harbor]

ye i was gonna do firestarter and traitor tongue dual wield lel

its either acid flask or disentegrate ... i pretty much have almost everything i need for both

@sage canyonngl that looks kinda rough stacking both heartseeker and cinder strike passives

[sage canyon]

hs is cd

u numlcok it and forget

[wild harbor]

oh i see

nvm then

so you basically are just spamming explosive trap and cinder

[sage canyon]

yep prio trap over cinder and hold 2 buttons, epic gameplay

[wild harbor]

lol

they should give acid flasks some passives like they gave ele nova ... not that that did any good for ele nova

where like the effect is stronger if it isnt being triggered

[sage canyon]

we are in 2025 and acid+ cinder is meta kekw

[wild harbor]

lol

cuz ye ele nova gets like 40% area and 40% dmg extra from a passive when its not being triggered ... but lowkey you never see ele nova not being triggered anymore since frostclaws existence

so ye i dont think it would even help in acid flasks case if it got the same thing but lowkey would be an attempt

[tough tiger]

Played for a few hours killing uberroth and got 2lp null portent, relic, and nihilis

Relic and nihilis lowrolled unfortunately

[ocean ember]

I killed that bad boy twice in my life, no relic

[tough tiger]

Did you use the blessing that increases relic drop rate. I found it helps a lot

[ocean ember]

Damm, I never thought about it

[verbal pier]

now time to slams it, goodluck!

[atomic vapor]

may the cache gods slam in thy favor

[round depot]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/DirtyDomo/character/DomoSama yo guys thats my setup rn i just want to kill this god damn mf. Should i switch to sync ? need help just git 160 dex but only get to first harb then something just kill sme instlany

Swich idols to throwing ?

[graceful hare]

I don't have too much experience on the build, just play it for the very first time myself. But what is your struggle, what Harbi do you want to kill?

[round depot]

want to kill uber

i just make it to the first uber harbi

maybe have to lern more of the mechanics

[atomic vapor]

Gear wise you look fine

Needs practice

[graceful hare]

I don't think Idols are a thing for you, yours look very good to me. But gear wise you should have some easy upgrades.
At least me as a player would not need to even try with 1,6k HP ^^

[round depot]

yeah sorry to post again just heled me a bunch already you mentioned the shoes i just forged them

[graceful hare]

Your chest, rings, helm and daggers could easily be upgraded to even more dmg and a little more EHP at least

[round depot]

question to put thrwing na dcrit idols ad swtich to sync

[atomic vapor]

Nah no problem I'm just saying you should be able to kill it as you are

Sync is a little more gear dependent imo

Because divebombs have a little delay until they start stacking

And with aberroth moving around, timing becomes tricky to maximize dps

While umbrals are more comfortable imo

On my first uber kill I had way less gear than you

[round depot]

ok im just a noob i guess i start damage phase, run around him till harbi spawns an then insta die

[graceful hare]

Probably I should try that uber again 🙂

[atomic vapor]

save a divebomb

Sorry a smoke bomb*

And use it to position behind him

After harbi dies

[round depot]

and i alays get like pulled back even if my internet is fine and ping

annoying

[atomic vapor]

yeah I wouldn't recommend practicing with bad ping

[round depot]

nahh eversthing is fine

11 ms EU

[atomic vapor]

Oh sounds fine

I'm on like 30 average

[round depot]

maybe i try on my good pc

XD

what to avoid under any circumstances ?

[atomic vapor]

🙏with low graphic settings you don't even see half the stuff going on lol

[round depot]

blue balls ?

[atomic vapor]

I don't find something much harder to avoid than something else. They all have the same animation and cast time honestly

He locks onto you, does a skill

Charges

Locks onto you, does another skill

[graceful hare]

with low graphic settings you my old eyes I don't even see half the stuff going on lol 😄

[atomic vapor]

No matter what he does, just position behind him lol

[round depot]

u played with auto key ?

[atomic vapor]

no never, imo don't use it it's bad

Just hold QWE down

[atomic vapor]

That was me on week 1

[round depot]

ok and when u move away from him u release the buttons so u dont jump ?

sometimes the stop kills me

[atomic vapor]

Where's your smoke bomb?

[round depot]

right klick

[atomic vapor]

Hold everything else down (remove umbrals from your bar)

And smoke bomb when you need to move

Or evade, the health loss from nihilis doesn't matter

[round depot]

dont spam smoke ?

i spam everysthin kind of

exept umbreal

[atomic vapor]

Spam everything but when you expect an attack, position smoke bomb carefully

That's why you don't hold smoke bomb down during mechanics

Hold it down when he casts meteors

Or phase 1 with timeshattering slam

But in between phases

Use smoke bomb to reposition, and DPS inside it

And if smoke bomb is on cooldown, evade right through him

To get behind

[round depot]

also popping bootles for dodge ?

[atomic vapor]

ehhh, I don't think they're needed but sure

You have cleanse on smoke bomb and a silly amount of health recovery

[round depot]

when i stand on him i often get isnta killed

maybe my skills are worng dont know

[atomic vapor]

Don't stand on top of his hitbox during triple flail slam because you might not generate silver shroud stacks fast enough to dodge all 3

(you eat all 3 inside his hitbox)

Just evade straight behind him

And DPS from there while he casts

[graceful hare]

So you say 1,6k HP would be really enough on this build, @atomic vapor ?

[atomic vapor]

I'd say it's pushing it lol 😭

I'd go around 2.5k for safety

I did it with 2.2k

First time

[atomic vapor]

Yeah you stayed inside the blue

Move out of that asap

[round depot]

ok maybe more dodge in idols ?

[atomic vapor]

Dodge is rng for big attacks

Don't rely on it

Silver shroud and movement is enough

[graceful hare]

I see, thought so. When I do normal Abbys (I pretend uber does not exist) I have a dmg setup with around that HP, hence my question. Have a very young Falconer here (made Saturday evening), but I guess my gear is a bit better then what you called "ready" and I'm tempted to return to the big guy once again 🙂

[atomic vapor]

my advice is, fill a timeline with brewery

Get some 2lp brew belts

Get cdr and hybrid in there

And you're suddenly gonna be like twice as tanky

That'll help learn

Don't go jungle belt as a newcomer

You'll be too squishy

[round depot]

i could by one for 322

[graceful hare]

I have plenty lying around, perhaps worth a try. Yeah it is a very tanky belt. Tho it opens up the need for Endurance all of a sudden

[round depot]

0,8 player hits hard 😉 but yeah uber daddy newcomer

not that much time to play and learn

damn need 2 mill

ok ill buy one

[atomic vapor]

I meant newcomer to the class/fight lol

I'm an old player too

[round depot]

all good was a joke

what about a normal belt with high Ts

hybrid cooldown and somethign else

[atomic vapor]

An exalt belt?

Never worth for rogue

[round depot]

kk

[atomic vapor]

Actually I doubt any class uses an exalt belt anymore

Maybe some niche build with a set item or something

But I'd never play a class that requires set crafting in this season

[round depot]

rot needs right ?

[atomic vapor]

used to until people cooked with black blade

Dex scaling is stronger

[graceful hare]

Damn, what did I do. Trying this guy is not good for me

[atomic vapor]

imo don't let deaths affect you, it's very quick to retry

Put music on and practice

[round depot]

and getting insane

XD

[atomic vapor]

I must've died 100s of times until I got confident

I was too stubborn to get better gear first lol

[round depot]

yeah at work rght now hard to try more

[atomic vapor]

I'm at work too, and I've got a 4lp peak if the mountain waiting to be slammed at home

Pain

[round depot]

just bhought the shoes so pretty broke rn so no upgrade yet

i can play here XD

[round depot]

cof i guess ?

but not so good to concentrate on a fighjt

[atomic vapor]

yeah, and I don't think I'll go mg if they don't fix it

[round depot]

yeah i dont play much and i love the idea of MG in generall and always like to log in a few days later and see the sells XD

[atomic vapor]

I like to minmax and for mg minmaxing means camping the bazaar and constantly refreshing

And that's exhausting for me

I'm close to minmaxing with cof (nothing crazy like 4lp daggers yet but I don't think that's needed)

[round depot]

yeah also true but yeah i never really do that i just farm sell and from time to time i buy an upgrade 🙂

[atomic vapor]

yeah I like pushing a little harder and cof is better for that now with imprints

[round depot]

which c u running ?

[graceful hare]

At least is cof much better for the uniques ^^

[atomic vapor]

1000-1100, no worth going higher

[atomic vapor]

Debatable

Beginning of season 4lps were dirt cheap

People bought 4lp daggers on week 1

[round depot]

yeah

wasnt me XD

[atomic vapor]

I just don't like that type of gameplay

[round depot]

also running 1.1 its enough

thought about switching but no its too late

[graceful hare]

Seeing that MG guy it looks like once again 😄

No offense domo, it was not meant mean. It is just hard to compare

[atomic vapor]

Domo is a working guy who pops on the market every now and then

Can't compare that to hard campers

Mg needs constant scouting

[graceful hare]

I was a working guy too, until last Thursday. Yeah I'm a little try hard, but still with "only" 1-2 gaming hours on workdays

^^

[atomic vapor]

if you wanna see how hard you can push with mg

Look at juse's le tools

Or chadilaos

[round depot]

JUSE Best XD

[atomic vapor]

Compared to them I look naked

[round depot]

haha

following juse a long time love the builds

[graceful hare]

Ye some players have some crazy stuff

[round depot]

but yeah mg

[atomic vapor]

Personally I'm happy with the level I'm at rn given how much I'm able to play

Did you see my last slam

[ornate axle]

Hi, I have a question about mana management - what are your ways to keep your mana up on rogue?

[atomic vapor]

what mastery?

[ornate axle]

Marksman

[atomic vapor]

Marksman is gonna be a little tricky before you get red rings

I suggest don't spec burning daggers

Until you're comfortable

[round depot]

same daddy of a 2 year old and moving to a house rn so dont really the time

[graceful hare]

That question reminds me of how broken this meta falconers are ^^

[atomic vapor]

I get that completely

[round depot]

i dont get any shroud wtf ?

how much shoudl i have in a fight round about

[atomic vapor]

There are way nastier things than falconers right now lol

[ornate axle]

may i ask which red rings?

[atomic vapor]

Time rot and swarmblade delete uber

[atomic vapor]

red ring of atlaria, but it's one of the rarest items in the game

Second rarest actually

[round depot]

whats rarest ?

[atomic vapor]

technically ravs

[ornate axle]

oh, so its for mana regen

[atomic vapor]

But you can farm them from Gaspar

[atomic vapor]

It's for everything

[round depot]

? ravs

[atomic vapor]

But yes the mana regen is fat

[atomic vapor]

Ravenous voids

[round depot]

ah ok sry

[ornate axle]

well yeah, but it's just that my only concern now is for mana regen 😄 im using flurry to keep my mana up, but it's not comfortable

[round depot]

anyone playing them ?

[atomic vapor]

Marksman won't be comfortable until you're geared up sadly

[atomic vapor]

Heartseeker uses them until immortal vise

[round depot]

oh man i only get to harbi limit rn

always void kill

the tripple slam easy,blue thing from before get it now

but then after the slam void something

i think its this void flames

[atomic vapor]

If you wanna see how to position when playing umbrals (but I have worse gear here)

[round depot]

ok somhting is wrong i guess i have like 10 shroud

beam u can stand right ?

not the flames ?

[atomic vapor]

Beam and black circles yeah you can tank

Superheated black hole no

[round depot]

flames ?

purple flames on ground

[atomic vapor]

ohh ground of destruction

No

Almost no class can tank those

I think only judgement can

[round depot]

holy shit i never see those flames

[round depot]

u dont have all points in mid aviary ? mor shadowsa better?=

[atomic vapor]

The 5/5 shadows is a personal preference, there's a debate about whether they're better

But for umbrals, your DPS comes from umbral blades, not shadow falcons

So midnight aviary isn't useful

You want midnight aviary max for the sync strike divebomb build instead

[round depot]

kk yeah i copy yout build now XD

[atomic vapor]

sure but I keep changing things while testing so I don't know if I'll stick to what you're seeing

[round depot]

all good but directly makes some sense to me

[atomic vapor]

Right now it makes sense to me as well as is but

I might change my mind very soon lol

[round depot]

dont know man

i think i avoided most

[atomic vapor]

Hmmm maybe you're not tanky enough for that yet

[woeful ether]

is that just the void degen orb?

i think i was getting chunked like 400s by it ticking with like 110? void res and null portent

should be able to take a few ticks and get off of it

[round depot]

no i have 400 ping wtf

[round depot]

Something is wrong

after ward on 80 percent ther is no damage comign anymore ?!

[flint turret]

If you are getting a lot of frailty stacks your damage plummets

Its 5% less per stack

[round depot]

OH OK THX

[atomic vapor]

@tough tiger me being willing to try out a full humbles setup and the game saying no lmao

[slate mulch]

Do you spam the 2 buttons perma? Or do you control the mana cost a bit by throwing traps every full rotation of cinder strike (3 hits)

[sage canyon]

i spam perma cause lazy optimal is when u go oom do 3 cinder->dump 3 cinder->dump

[tough tiger]

Haha damn, you only wear maxroll stuff right?

[round depot]

Ragu what are u playing rn I remember ur Name from back in the day as a bladedancer pro 🙂

[flint turret]

Rn nothing. I met my goals for 1.2 to kill Uber Abby with a semi-low lp crit hs. Loved hs overall, best rogue skill ever

[atomic vapor]

at least I'm trying, I see no reason to hold back yk? but my bigger idols are far better as it stands so the comparison would be unfair

[flint turret]

My plan B was chakram bd, since it was heavily buffed, but I liked hs too much to swap out of it

[atomic vapor]

like for example this thing is pretty hard to beat

btw I'm at 2.5 million favor spent so far

lol

[flint turret]

Looking forward to 1.3, falconer nerf and skill sigils. Hopefully falconer becomes an actual mastery instead of a power tripping fantasy

[atomic vapor]

also I got my first 8% but the throwing damage is midrolled

mirroring it post enchant

best believe it

[round depot]

Mind Sharing your Profil Name or Build ? Maybe im switching to Something diff this season 😂

Don’t have the power to Level new Char

[flint turret]

Ragulol ragulmark

I stopped playing after I got over 1500 corr and Uber Abby, so don't expect updates

[round depot]

Nahhhh all good

[flint turret]

It can become much stronger with higher LPs, better slams and Uber Abby items tho

[round depot]

Just wanted to See something diff

[round depot]

Is it on Button playstyle ? Like Spamming hs ?

[flint turret]

Yeah pretty much just spamming hs and smoke for movement

With wasd it feels pretty good

Unless you go dragonsong, then wasd makes it act weird

[round depot]

Im mouse anyway so all good thank you

Fun Build ? Kind of tired of umbral

[flint turret]

Like I said, for me personally it's the best rogue skill ever existed

Strong, fun, balanced, feels good to use, interesting to gear, probably the most flexible skill there is. So many options for it and all are great

[round depot]

U got me

Switching everything 😂😂

Can See this Hail skill anymore

[flint turret]

Its not nearly as strong as broken meta builds but it's everything I personally wanted for a skill to be

[round depot]

Thats all I Need and if u say I Can play 1500 maybe even Rush 1000 I guess ? I Can Farm for more merch stuff

[flint turret]

Hopefully bd will get something similar

[round depot]

Like a cool Assassin skill

Loved old Blady

Fun builds

[flint turret]

1000 is not an issue, at 1500 the damage will be dropping tho and one-shots will start to become a thing

If say it's best for around 700

[round depot]

Nahhhh 1000 is totale enough to Farm merchant Gear imo

[round depot]

Thats also good

Maybe heartseeker stuff is Not soooo expensive 😂 becaus no Meta

[flint turret]

It can become omegatanky with some ward setups but there are no particular ways to drastically increase damage

[slate mulch]

good support skill too

[flint turret]

It will fall off at some point

[round depot]

It so Bad that I cant search Gear which u have listed 🫣

[slate mulch]

heartseeker seems like a great ethical build

which isnt bad

[flint turret]

Yeah it can be a support skill for a flask trap which can fish out much more DPS, but I'm not taking it into hs discussion

[slate mulch]

i didnt gear heartseeker too extensively but it feels about as strong as chakrams

[flint turret]

There are tons of options for it, I had like 20+ planners and I still can't say what's best

[round depot]

Nice

Sounds good

[flint turret]

I loved ward setups for monos but Uber Abby doesn't favor ward builds

[round depot]

Are there Must have Uniques ?

[flint turret]

Probably just row and mourningfrost

[round depot]

Ur last Build was Uber ?

[flint turret]

You can play with dragonsong too tho

[flint turret]

That was the mono running version of an Uber version.... If that makes sense

[round depot]

Yeah

[flint turret]

here is uber https://youtu.be/s6QKDRHdoC4

For monos I really liked using wall+anchor+phase point

[atomic bay]

Surprisingly, no armor shred even though rogue has amazing access to it

[flint turret]

It gives so much ward and dusk shrouds

[flint turret]

Hs has armor shred in it's tree that's more than enough

[atomic bay]

I mean, idols can have shred effect, there's a helm affix for shred on bow hit, plus the generic armor shred on ammy/gloves. You could go all out as well

[flint turret]

It doesn't do anything, you have enough from hs tree

Shred softcaps with it alone easily

[atomic bay]

There's a cap?

IIRC all that is stated is that shred can bring armor to the negatives

unless I missed something

[flint turret]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

armor is capped at 85% for phys, each stack is -100 armor

[atomic bay]

I see

[flint turret]

you usually want to have up to 120 stacks, going over changes almost nothing

for non phys it does even less

and shred effectivness is basically the same as a stack multiplier

so if you have efeectivness you want even less stacks

[atomic bay]

Just the whole "armor goes negative" threw me off. To me, this should continue increasing damage taken further

[flint turret]

well, its not resist which is the simple multiplier

armor is capped at 85% and it doesnt change for negative

formula is exactly the same as for positive armor

with penetration\res shred you can go all the way into negative tho

[round depot]

Nice Long fight are patterns always the Same ?

[flint turret]

wdym?

[round depot]

Like Slam, Cold Shit, triple, flames, Circle Slam ?

[flint turret]

dunno

recently i learned that there is a rotation for spells

spin blade - cold hole - fire hole

but i didnt know it back then, it was more about felling the timing

[round depot]

I cant even do him with Meta Build maybe I just try to be a good sells man

[flint turret]

since my dps was basically the same always i could expect roughly when fire hole will be coming

[flint turret]

that took me like 3 days of failed attempts tho. more or less one day with bad gear just to get a feeling and 2 days in a setup i believed i have a chance at it

so its not like i got there in a first try lol

10 min fights are to easy to screw up

even in this video i almost died multiple times

[woeful ether]

what do you spend favor on?

• how do you tell; total spent

[slate mulch]

the rotation actually also has slight variations depending on where he is in the arena i found

like if i started him up north he has a different tendency for attacks than the bottom

[atomic vapor]

rn? idols

and I can tell the total spent because I go to 999.999 and then spend it all lol

[flint turret]

yeah same for range between you and him

[slate mulch]

yeah lots of variables

i think realistically all you can do is just be sus that he might use the purple fire wave slam after each charge attack

[prisma marlin]

What build are you running? I’m using Lizars unreal falconer and killed uberroth in 5-8mins

[woeful ether]

what do you do with extra amber and ascensions? i'm thinking of also trying to minmax similar to you but maybe not as hard lol

[flint turret]

its not that dangerous unless the floor is totaly cluttered and you dont see and forget about flames. he has a big standing on the last feet animation while doing it

[atomic vapor]

I just do troves

[woeful ether]

ah just spend extra on troves at a loss then sustain back up

[slate mulch]

for sure, i think its most dangerous against melee since the damage area is surprisingly fat around him, though ranged wont have that issue

[atomic vapor]

unless you play in a party

then it's perma

also for ascension

lol

[flint turret]

i was playing crit HS this season

[woeful ether]

😭

lmao is it not worth ascending but still using profs for lp2+ uniqs?

[atomic vapor]

it is worth it for low lp level items but

I can't be bothered

[prisma marlin]

Lots of runes of creation!

[flint turret]

i feel like its better to hug him as much as possible regardless of you are ranged or melee. he can screw you up in multiple ways when you dont see what hes doing

[prisma marlin]

My redemption runes have never been over 150

[atomic vapor]

even if you run out it doesn't matter

there's prophecies that give 4 a pop I think

[flint turret]

5-8 mins for falconer sounds at least x5 longer as i would expect

[woeful ether]

does that mean it's prob best worth for jungle queens?

[atomic vapor]

no

jungle queen is a very rare belt

better get 1 and imprint it

because it has a low lp level even though the base item is rare

so at that point just do nemesis+turtle rounds until you get a giga one

it is worth to spam like hundreds of them for your first belt tho

[woeful ether]

yeah i have all the 1 lp ones but i don't know if it's worth adding asc bases to my filter and which ones to add if it is

profs just seem way better than even trying ascensions

[atomic vapor]

don't add jungle belt with lp on filter, set it at 0lp

and go nemesis -> turtle over and over

till you get one of a higher lp

[woeful ether]

i have all of it on for jungle

[atomic vapor]

rinse repeat

perfect

[woeful ether]

i meant rare/magic/etc bases to use rune on

how i got my ffirst red ring :D

[atomic vapor]

this is so sad

I was hoping for a double t7

(i have one but double t7 single t6)

[woeful ether]

there's not a way to show double t7 different than t7 t6 right?

could not figure out filter rules to make that true

[atomic vapor]

for double t7?

you set "at least 2 stats"

and then rank 7

[woeful ether]

double t7 easy but it would hide t7 t6?

oh wait put it above nvm

[atomic vapor]

yep

lol

[woeful ether]

you have been such a help george ❤️ really learning a lot this season

[atomic vapor]

there's way more knowledgable poeple around but I appreciate it lol

[woeful ether]

yea keric or whoever helped me specifically too but you're also around like all the time haha

[prisma marlin]

Kezic

[trail pumice]

I have learned a lot from kez and geo this season, I never really played season 1 but thank you guys honestly it's much appreciated 👍

[atomic vapor]

appreciate you man 🙏

[prisma marlin]

hey do you know if the relic shattered worlds from uber aberroth always gives LP when placed inside nemesis egg?

[ornate nexus]

Not any more commonly than normal drops.

[atomic vapor]

yeah it's no different

[inner stone]

Can anyone comment on controller targeting for umbral blades Falconer? I've heard it can be spotty/inconsistent

[vernal zealot]

I play with legacy mode on when killing bosses

And it works okay but the smoke bomb flip is super jank

[inner stone]

Appreciate it. Will give it a shot as I get there but also keep an eye on other builds too

[vernal zealot]

Fwiw i done like 20+ uber kills with controller on falconer its just annoying on his 1st slam sometimes you just flip into the middle of the arena

Absolutely not hc viable lol

[inner stone]

I don't play HC at all (first season aying LE right now) so I'd rather not just...flip into death

There a MM acid flask build that looks good that doesn't seem to have the same issues or I just use my kbm to play Falconer, which is fine. I dunno, I've heard it's also a "piano" build and don't feel like writing scripts

[vernal zealot]

ipretty much only play falc for killing ua and its just holding 2 buttons down

then tapping 2 others

[woeful ether]

i don't know about inconsistent bc it's more of i don't really easily notice where it's actually targetting vs where i know i want to go. kbm doesn't have that issue.

ive played it all season controller. took just a bit of getting used to but i don't think it's unplayable

when there's only 1 boss it's much better/easier. i've not died to uber flipping into something i didn't want to. more died bc skill issue

[inner stone]

i'll still try it, im level 15 and just got my mastery (running firestarter torch to blast campaign).

next question - what do shadows do? i see them, i have no idea how to see what they do or what their purpose is? also, does my falcon "hits" count as my own hits? ie. for firestarter to light things on fire

[wild harbor]

shadows basically copy alot of your skills

and then dissapear

they count as you

falcon is a minion so it doesnt count as you

but some of its effects scale off your stats

like you can give it your ailment chance with one of its passives

it can adopt your damage and crit chance with another set of passives

[inner stone]

ah ok cool. i'll hang up the falcon for right now then. im not really doing a rogue levelling guide, just maxing fire damage with torch, running a shield and just blasting campaign. i am scaling attack speed as much as i can so more attacks = more chance to burn things. i have a few uniques with t7 fire damage/dot etc.

goal is to get this character to monos asap so i can level it into empowereds and then swap to something useable

[wild harbor]

what are you playing? skills

[inner stone]

currently? so im level 17, got falconer mastery and just getting to cultist camp so i only have the 2 specialties. running shift and shurikens for those. focusing move speed/haste/attack speed. then on the skill bar i have flask, cinder, shift, shuriken and umbrals. one second i'll grab a planner

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7v213GQ

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 17

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (15)

General:

▸ Health: 491, Regen: 8.38/s
▸ Mana: 85.59, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 0 Str / 17 Dex / 1 Int / 0 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 23% / 7% / 7% / 21% / 8% / 22% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 98
▸ Dodge Chance: 22% (232)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (66)
▸ Block Chance: 14%, Mitigation: 50% (617)

Used skills:

Shurikens / Shift

[inner stone]

nothing has really slowed me down as of yhet

[wild harbor]

oof that shuriken tree

2 points alacrity
4 points etherial blade
1 point chakram
1 point keen throw

then 3rd point in alacrity to unlock the +2 shuriken from fan of blades

if your using it for support then
2 point alacrity
4 point etherial blade

1 point alacrity
1 point fan of blades
1 point blade shield
3 point bladed armour

either way you really wanna cap the pierce passive as fast as possible

[inner stone]

@wild harbor I'll look more at it when I get home again and make some changes. As I mentioned its only purpose is to hit as fast and often as possible, and hit as many enemies. Shuriken's damage is a non issue. Appreciate it though

Edit: my next 3 points were going to be ethereal blades and then I was probably going to shelve the skill for something else (or if I have enough specializations make it swarm around me for more hits and use umbral as spammable)

[woeful ether]

do you go endurance threshold or armor % for age of winter blessing?

[wild harbor]

armour %

[wild harbor]

if you keep using shift then attack speed wont matter of shuriken since shift will cast it for you

you just will need the 100% peirce chance and the armour per shuriken buff

[hidden mica]

is it safe to say that any combination of flat phys, crit multi, minion pen are good slams for daggers? did i miss any other potentially good affixes worth slamming? perhaps armor shred? % phys? currently playing umbral blades, not sync strike

[wild harbor]

lightning uwu

OH nvm

[wild harbor]

not flat phys

go % phys ... phys pen ... crit multi ... chance to slow/chill

chance to slow/chill would be the least important of the 4

[hidden mica]

why slow/chill? are they just useful debuffs in general or do we have some scaling with it

[wild harbor]

well slow cuz i think you get chill already from umbral blades

and ye its because its good to have

useful in general;

[hidden mica]

noted. and armor shred isnt that useful?

[wild harbor]

oh heck i forgot about armour shred

i think you get that on other slots

like gloves or ammy

[hidden mica]

tyty

[tough tiger]

Wait idk about any of that

Phys pen > minion dmg > crit multi/flat imo

You get slow/chill anyway from DB

And you can get ~150shred stacks without any investment which is basically softcap

[vernal zealot]

fp always dieing at the best time 🙂

[inland rapids]

Q: the "increased damage when wielding a bow" affix, does it do anything for falconer ? The wording is confusing

[vernal zealot]

Wont do anything for falcon dmg, not sure if it buffs umbral blade too

If dusk shade stacking increased dmg becomes a pretty bad stat anyway because of how much increased you already get

[versed pivot]

ZHP here I come

[slate mulch]

is there a way i can check my passive points

to see if i have all of them

[versed pivot]

your map

[inner stone]

I'm sorry whaaaaaattttt. Imma go read the shift tree and see where I can slam t7 cooldown reduction (I assume that specializing in shuriken and then just have it cast by shift is the play)

[wild harbor]

there is a passive on shift that lets shift throw 1-5 shuriken

if you take the passive in shuriken that lets them spin around you then those will spin around you too

and give the shuriken tree buff

[inner stone]

Well...that's very exciting

Thanks

[wild harbor]

and you want peirce while they are spinning so that they dont dissapear until they run out of time

[inner stone]

For umbral blades (and maxing hits and speed) I was thinking: cut and leave (haste) > 1 point in backstab or just downfall > make my way to soul thief

Again just to maximize hits for firestarters torch. Once I get into empowered and fix my loot filter I'll shift into an actual Falconer build so I just need something to blast campaign

[austere atlas]

@atomic vapor how psychotic would it be for me to reroll within affix range instead of duplicating it

if this is slammable on a 4LP im just going to duplicate it, cba to loot 6 million exalted bows again

[lapis sail]

Is cold acid flask a meme?

[slate mulch]

@sage canyon for acid flask MM have you considered replacing dragon boots with razor fall to open up chest armor?

[sage canyon]

u need crit avoid then

boots are too good

they have fire res, fire dmg

and crit avoid

razorfall doesnt do anything

and you need body armor for resists anyways

[mossy nexus]

For me a source of blind is more than sufficient with this build. It's ranged + auto aim, i almost never die to any crits. A bit scuffed, but it works imo

[graceful hare]

Kinda, how ever you define that. But I had lots of fun with it. Was my starter into S2

[atomic vapor]

Honestly I wouldn't slam that at that state, I'll be honest

[thin quartz]

we min maxers wouldnt for sure but might be a power spike for him to blast even more

[atomic vapor]

I just wouldn't waste a 4lp bow on that, regardless of how much I minmax

[graceful hare]

My main wears 2× 4LP that both have one T4 (one intentional), you guys would probably scream ^^

[regal plaza]

is ballista still okay to push corruption?

i dont see any guides on it anymore so i guess no one is playing it?

[ocean ember]

Morning guys! How fun is HS marksman? Atm I am playing UB falconer

[minor locust]

90% of people just copycat those "meta" builds cause they too lazy to try stuff so it's no wonder noone walks the less traveled path

That said i tried ballista in the past, was pre 1.0, and hated my life 😀

But it was me not liking the gameplay

[ocean ember]

I did read guide and never even tried it, knew I wouldnt like it

[minor locust]

Also is you really want to push high corruption you narrow your options a lot

[flint turret]

Depends on your definition of fun. For me it's super fun, but damage-vise it's not anywhere near falconer because it's actually balanced

[ocean ember]

I am very carless so I play around 1k corruption, I die a lot from random stuff

[minor locust]

Falconer is broken since 1.0 lmao

[ocean ember]

I want something easy and chill to play

That spamming is tiring