🔪┃rogue

[small glen]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[errant pollen]

Bboc? Lm?

[undone dune]

black blade of chaos

lethal mirrage

[errant pollen]

Cool, I'll check out the builds section on tools and look for a bboc blade dancer guide

[undone dune]

look for lethal mirrage in general

easier to search by skill

[sharp nimbus]

yo following the maxroll falcon build

i got 2 extra skills points in smoke bomb and blades

that i dont know where toput

to put xD

[undone dune]

link your trees i guess

kind of hard to say where to put it without knowing what you have

but in general there arn't that many useful nodes to put stuff into for UB

[sharp nimbus]

facts

sorry im very new to arpgs and without a guide im legit blind

[undone dune]

oh nevermind UB is easy just cap the bonus phys damge to 5/5

[sharp nimbus]

correct

?

[undone dune]

yeah

its not much because most of your damage comes from smoke blades

but it helps

[sharp nimbus]

bigger smoke bombs was what i was thinking

but i dont know

[undone dune]

i would do duration

not size

[sharp nimbus]

ooo

[undone dune]

larger size means the shadows spawn farther appart

which can make it hard to get all 3 of them in divebomb range of a single boss

lowers the total number of duskshroud stacks you get

[sharp nimbus]

sounds good to me brother

[undone dune]

or just the hits in general

[sharp nimbus]

i appreciate you so much fr

[undone dune]

can also put 1 point in slow if you dont have it anywhere else

[sharp nimbus]

i just got and made this bad boy

i got an lp 3 and 4 today also but they are horrid rolls

[undone dune]

i cant hit double prefix to save my life

i have slammed so many 3lp talons trying to get those prefixes

[sharp nimbus]

it took me like 7-8 attempts on my world splitter

[undone dune]

i think im up to 18 bows all 3lp failed to get 2x prefixes

this season

[sharp nimbus]

jesus

[undone dune]

between talons and dragonsong

[sharp nimbus]

i hope flacon is still worth playing

i got bored of ls

and this one looked fun

[undone dune]

i like umbral blades falcon

my kil time on UA is still faster with divebomb

but i find umbral blades more fun and significantly better in echos

[sharp nimbus]

imma be real i dont have a clue how to use it for bosses

i just smoke bomb stand in it

and spam cool downs

[undone dune]

hold down all the spells and stand inside 2 smokebombs ontop of the boss

[sharp nimbus]

why did i not know you coudl hold it down

[undone dune]

idk

thats what everyoen does though

bind them to numpad then use numlock trick to keep them held down

and by them i mean divebomb + AA + falcon strikes

it makes movement a little jittery becuase you keep stopping to cast AA

but its so much smoother than trying to smash all the buttons

and you get used to it

[sharp nimbus]

hmmmm how do you rebind?

[undone dune]

theres a pretty large and obvious button in settings

and you can have 2 keyboard keys per skill

i dont have the game open right now to take a screenshot

[outer comet]

Here you go. Should be easy to find.

[sharp nimbus]

https://www.thegamer.com/last-epoch-how-to-autocast-set-up-num-lock/

reading this on numver lock trick

number

[ocean ember]

222

[small glen]

I'm new to rogue. I can't kill Uber with this character for the life of me. Is it doable with this setup and what's lacking is just player skill or there's something very wrong here? https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Mobios/character/Seriguela

[undone dune]

you only have 3 of 5 points in smoke blades (smoke bomb tree) this is a significant portion of the builds damage missing

also if you are trying to minmax your character for uberoth specifically you can take off all your crit avoidance from blessing + tree to get more useful stats

i like to use the allres blessing for more DR from null

blind (applied by smokebomb) is more than enough crit avoidance for uber

you also might do better swapping some of your armor idols for phys pen idols (the 2x1 with throwing damage suffix)

overall though that seems very similar if not better gear than what I first killed it with

maybe try to hit 160 dex breakpoint with gloves/relic mods

1 mod on either of those + swapping belt to jugnle queen will get you there

[small glen]

Thanks for the precious tips! You're the man! I'll work on that and also learn the fight better. Thank you a lot!

[austere atlas]

how important is every point of dex anyways, i know every 20 is important

[undone dune]

breakpoitns are important

other than that dex is just 4% increased damage

which is almost nothing with all the bonus from shroud stacks

oh @small glen you "need" (not really that important) 4x1 idols that have umbral damage per dusk shroud stack

forgot about those

[austere atlas]

gotcha

ive been wanting to keep UB but switch to daggers, i actually think its better

[undone dune]

the talons CDR thing is really nice now

also easier to cap crit with talons

daggers have more crit multi

and let you use shadow daggers

[austere atlas]

daggers also gives u 4 umbral blade points

[undone dune]

those dont do much

they go into like chance to bleed

[austere atlas]

hmm

[undone dune]

22 points is already enough to get every single node on the tree that increases UB damage if you arn't throwing them yourself

[austere atlas]

i would want to throw them myself

[undone dune]

??

you want to actually cast umbral blades?

why

[austere atlas]

yea

is it that bad? i personally enjoy it despite playing dive bomb and seeing way more dps speccing that

i was going to try and cap out manual umbral blades before i slave away with dive bomb

[undone dune]

AA throws like 16 at once, the skill throws 1

[austere atlas]

but they cant target the same enemy i thought?

[undone dune]

right

they cant target the same enemy

but they can hit the same enemy

[austere atlas]

does it just hit them anyways from the explosion

ah

so what am i throwing on my bar instead of UB, decoy?

[undone dune]

i have unspeced decoy on my bar yeah

but i basically never use it anymore

i was only doing it against the necrotic beams from woven mobs when those were super overtuned

[austere atlas]

yeah im probably just going to make the game harder for myself and use UB

i want to spec this as strong as possible fo rkilling bosses simply for the fun of it

and im struggling to see where to improve UB

except for changing my relic from ucenuis to world shatter

[undone dune]

ucenui's is really not very good for umbral

[austere atlas]

yeah its not but

i dont have world shatter

all it does is give free 360% cold damage and thats it

so u convert UB into it

[undone dune]

360% cold damage is very little compared to the addative damage from umbrals

with idols you get 32% increased per dusk shrowd stack

i was getting 60-70 stacks against uber

thats like 2000% increased that ucenuis is adding to

its not much

[austere atlas]

32%? mine are 8% each and it says its max

[undone dune]

doubled in somkebomb + 8% per idol

[austere atlas]

can i see ur idols

ahhhhhh

right

yeah sadly i need to spend like 20-30 minutes or more in one session to kill uberoth with my current damage to fix my build

[undone dune]

also you probably have like 160 dex? thats another 640% increased damage

[austere atlas]

so im trying to cap it by swapping to daggers

nope my dex is garbage

[undone dune]

oh

well then use bow

"free" 16 dex on quiver

for extra umbral throw

[austere atlas]

sadly i dont have a quiver thats better than my 3 prefix piece of garbage

[undone dune]

ahh

[undone dune]

that is not a very good quiver

bow attack speed does nothing for you

[austere atlas]

what would you recommend? the 10% more damage on slowed enemies?

yeah the attack speed is worthless

i literally havent gotten any better purple quiver this whole time ive been trying to craft them

[undone dune]

litterally anything with t7 dex + blind

[austere atlas]

smoke bomb gives blind, is it better to throw blind on quiver?

[undone dune]

thrwo blind is for echos

[austere atlas]

i thought BIS was bleed chance instead of blind

[undone dune]

so you dont need to run crit avoidance ever

[austere atlas]

yea

[undone dune]

i use dex+phys damage + ele res + blind + slow(sealed)

blind and slow are both like t2

[austere atlas]

right but those dont really amtter

[undone dune]

the tiers dont

just existing do

even if you get a spidersilk quiver (more damage to slowed enemies) you need a source of slow on hit because the implicit only applies to bow hits

[austere atlas]

the slow doesnt matter at all because of dive bomb

[undone dune]

i guess

[austere atlas]

well dive bomb i think can proc 1 stack right

[undone dune]

i forgot about this node tbh

too many random debuffs from falcon abilities

[austere atlas]

yeah

i had to write all this down

and the BIS quiver i think is this: Crit, Physical Damage || Shred Armor, Bleed Chance

[undone dune]

no

dex is bis

not crit

and shred armor is kind of meh

[austere atlas]

hm ur right screw the crit

really?

shred armor can be applied with an infinite amount of stacks it just doesnt last forever

u can easily hit 200 stacks

[undone dune]

but it softcaps at like 120

[austere atlas]

o

but what do u run instead

[undone dune]

resist

and blind

[austere atlas]

resist i can see being viable

smoke bomb gives blind

[undone dune]

i like having blind on hit for echos

you wont always have every rare inside the smokebomb

[austere atlas]

if ur using a bow tho

they dont have to be in the smokebomb

you do

[undone dune]

thats only with bow attacks

which UB is not

[austere atlas]

yea

[undone dune]

im not using trap launcher

[austere atlas]

if i manual cast UB

is it

[undone dune]

manual UB is not a bow attack

its a throwing attack

[austere atlas]

oh..

so the %bow damage on talons

useless?

and +bow damage too?

[undone dune]

+bow is useless

but that node means the bow damage on talons does something

[austere atlas]

yea

though i think that node is saying

out of the 3 melee throwing and bow, the highest value is donated at a nerfed rate

[undone dune]

yeah

[austere atlas]

u will always have throwing damage

[undone dune]

no

where are you getting %throwing damage from

[austere atlas]

oh is increased mean %

no +

[undone dune]

yeah its not flat

its only increased

[austere atlas]

okay

[undone dune]

not added

[austere atlas]

okay so it would apply to bow then

[undone dune]

added damage is transfered elsewehre

but in general the bow damage mod on talons does not buff UB itself

[austere atlas]

right

[undone dune]

there is a different build that uses explosive traps converted to a bow skill

and it applies to that i guess

but then throwing damage doesn't

[austere atlas]

so if i want to shoot myself in the foot and focus on UB i would have to focus daggers then

[undone dune]

daggers dont really have much that applies to UB either

because UB is not a melee attack

so its just the extra crit multi on the implicits

[austere atlas]

maybe im not playing the right class specialization then

💀

[undone dune]

throwing skills are funny to understand

in this game anyway

[austere atlas]

honestly all damage calculation is funny to understand to me rn

[undone dune]

other than javeling they dont really throw your weapon

[austere atlas]

thats true

hahah

[undone dune]

GL out there i gotta go

[austere atlas]

ty for the help

[ember surge]

why does acid flask consume potions?

[rare haven]

it doesnt unless ur wearing gear that uses it to buff its damage

[ember surge]

your right! didnt notice my shest consumend potions. thnx

[prisma marlin]

I want to use these affixes for a 4 LP slam, but they are not all tier 5 yet. What happens when imprinting? Does the FP and affixes have a chance of improving when imprinting in echoing riches (similar items as an extra reward when you receive echo rewards) and sealed riches (chance to drop similar items when opening caches).

[hidden mica]

can anyone provide the planner for double dagger build? 1 for bossing and 1 for mapping/echoes?

[ember surge]

what build is better the zh bolistal or umbral falconer? if there is a better one, plz let me know

[austere atlas]

is this good for heartseeker rogue?

[tribal hearth]

my shadow shuriken build is struggling at 125corruption, i have 1200hp 4 maxed out ressistance 180% crit avoidance and still getting 1 shotted. 😭

[digital hornet]

1200hp is wild are you level 20

[ember surge]

what build? your probably getting 1shotted since your other resistances are low. like if you have physical, poison and necrotic maxed but you take on lagon, you will die instantly since hes pure elemental lightning and cold. you should aim for physical 120-180, elemental 110+ and necrotic/void of 150. with this you will be tanky af. poison is rare to get but you can use a transversal skill to avoid

[undone dune]

why do you have 180 crit avoidance...

that seems excesive

[tribal hearth]

i probably need some tweaking on my build

[small meteor]

my shadow shuriken build was pushing 3k. your build or gameplay needs to change

[tribal hearth]

you're right, this build im playing was incomplete or just lacking survivabilities.

mind sharing yours?

[small meteor]

dont have mine. ive completely changed the character.

link your build on tools

[tribal hearth]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0aZw7KB

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (45) / Bladedancer (62) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,223, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 110.51, Regen: 15.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 24 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 97% / 57% / 38% / 64% / 5% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 445
▸ Dodge Chance: 20% (0)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (605)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 71%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 130%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Shift / Shadow Cascade / Umbral Blades / Synchronized Strike

This build has a guide:

Bladedancer Guide: "Pikachu" Season 2 | Max DPS Shurikens Umbral Shift Proc Starter Build by Ehleminatoa

[small meteor]

double shard daggers?

[tribal hearth]

yeaa

[small meteor]

so youre going lightning charkram

[tribal hearth]

yes

[small meteor]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/TriKster/character/TriKsterBD2

follow that

[tribal hearth]

thanks

will try that

[small meteor]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozbaVPvo
rate the glass cannon

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Rogue (28) / Bladedancer (69) / Falconer (16)

General:

▸ Health: 1,335, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 105.55, Regen: 11.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 58%, Regen: 92/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 17 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 2% / 2% / 77% / 2% / 2% / 47% / 9%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 29%, Threshold: 467
▸ Dodge Chance: 27% (915)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,394)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

Used skills:

Shadow Cascade / Lethal Mirage / Smoke Bomb / Flurry / Umbral Blades

[frail patio]

Does anyone have an Umbral Blade Falconer planner focused on echo using aerial assault as traversal skill?

[thin quartz]

Where are you getting all these numbers from.

[vernal nexus]

falconer still good ?

[ember surge]

my toon from last season. the figures are rough figures. the more resist you have the more hits you can sustain. on the other hand you can go glass cannon, and stack massive crit chance, crit multiplier, and physical/elemental damage with massive mele speed for big crit numbers all the time in fast succession.

[thin quartz]

this is for you.

[ember surge]

you can go past 75%. think actual cap is 200 or could be more. 75 is soft cap for empowered you need 125% for all else you will get insta death, or you go glass cannon

[thin quartz]

sigh.. okay

[ember surge]

the way it works is in normal monoliths, there is no stat reduction just baseline. the empowered monoliths, have reduced resistance across the board, have increased damage and increased health. it all scales on corruption level.

[meager ice]

Guys pls help with a question about ballistas

If I take the storm on the horizon node which disables movement of Aerial Assault, will the benefits of Tactician node still apply for ballista ? If AA Is not my traversal skill but SMoke Bomb is instead

because the wording on tactician says 'after landing' but storm on the horizon disables movement

[ember surge]

not sure i would go to the arena and test on a dummy with and without the storm on horizon node that will tell you. it all will come down to if the game still trats you as landed, even if you no longer have the traversal tag

[meager ice]

it works! 😄

thanks, never thought of testing on dummy

[rugged pollen]

That is not how it works at all, you might want to reread 1 more time

[thin quartz]

I gave up when he double down.

[sick ivy]

this is not poe

going above 75% is not worth it apart from few exceptions like null portent, frostbite shackles, some passives/skill nodes that give benefits from overcapping.

[flint turret]

Tbf, you can rarely lose some res due to shred, shock, mark for death, maybe something else too. But it's definitely not worth to overcap just because of this

[tidal siren]

Res can go to 300+ though

Quick question for fellow rogue players, are there good throwing skill point sources other than Elecoe's abandon, razorfall and Gambit relic?

[rugged pollen]

tongue

[austere atlas]

does cast speed work with rogue spells? i see wake of wings gives it so i assume yess

[austere atlas]

nihilis, shattered worlds, traitors tongue

[gray walrus]

For umbral blade falconer build, my dex is 163, is it better to get throwing damage or more dex? I have 1 more slot and only 1 LP 😦

[small meteor]

guys should I use riverbend grasp on my shadow daggers build? I'm currently using immortal vise gloves but might switch. is the DMG output from riverbend that much better?

[atomic vapor]

Pretty sure dex is better in every single slot that can get it over anything else

I guess the cdr on boots is the big exception

[flint turret]

Lirakas is the only damage option for gloves, rest is utility

[small meteor]

riverbend gives you throwing dmg. so what do you mean?

[flint turret]

I mean exactly what I said

If you want damage gloves lirakas is the only option

[rapid sinew]

for those of you that are running 500+corruption what do your defenses look like i think its the one thing im lacking to get upp to 1k corruption

[flint turret]

River is good but for other reasons, hp and dodge %

[small meteor]

no no, i agree. after checking youre right. for some reason i thought lirakas was melee crit. not throwing

[flint turret]

It wouldn't make any difference for sd

Its both

[atomic vapor]

130 crit multi is simply worlds apart

Dmg wise the cold gloves are power crept

[small meteor]

shadow daggers is primarily throwing over melee. + my whole build scales it with throwing

[flint turret]

Its both

It doesn't matter what you scale it with, melee or throwing

[small meteor]

running 3.8k corruption with this

[atomic vapor]

When a skill has different tags for tapping, all tags contribute the same amount

[small meteor]

what is power crept?

[atomic vapor]

Something is strictly stronger than something else

[rapid sinew]

lmfao how @small meteor

[small meteor]

good build

[atomic vapor]

Liraka for bd, blood roost for falc

Anything else is simply more defense

That's how it is rn

[small meteor]

ok i see ty both of u

[small meteor]

figured i should actually answer u mb. my build is 90% ward based. so i get like 6k ward running through monos. even though i have no res i barely get hit from silver shroud + dodge rating

[rapid sinew]

im running a bleed heartseeker if that helps

[small meteor]

yeah dont ask me i gaveup on heartseeker. shits too trash and boring

[atomic vapor]

Marksman can't take a hit to save its life in this season sadly. Best you can do is giga health, red rings and shattered worlds

[boreal walrus]

[trail cradle]

sup guys

im a newbie, played the game for like 3 hours. How does the season system works? I created a rogue for my first character. After the end of the current season, will i lose my character?

[flint turret]

It will be moved to legacy (non-seasonal)

[trail cradle]

what happens then? will i be able to play the new seasons with the legacy character?

[flint turret]

No, it will stay legacy

[trail cradle]

sooo, basically, i can still use it, but not for new content? if i want to play the latest content i have to create a new character?

[flint turret]

Legacy content exactly matches cycle content

But you can play cycle only with a new cycle characters

[trail cradle]

what's the difference between cycle and legacy?

[flint turret]

The playerbase

Wast majority plays cycle

[trail cradle]

there's exclusive content?

[flint turret]

No

[trail cradle]

different servers?

[flint turret]

It happened only once for a week when Abby was added only in cycle and the week later to legacy

Same servers

[trail cradle]

what is abby?

[flint turret]

Pinnacle boss

[trail cradle]

i see

so i can use my rogue like, forever? and still play all content?

[flint turret]

Yes

[trail cradle]

so whats the meaning of playing cycle?

creating new characters?

[flint turret]

Fresh start for everyone

Fresh economy

[trail cradle]

oooooooooooooo got it

everyone starts at the same position, old and new players

[flint turret]

Yep

[trail cradle]

nice

thx for ur time

[vital tiger]

Why falconer dps sucks ?

[flint turret]

Probably the same reason Bugatti is such a slow car

[vital tiger]

Well I can't kill any boss

[flint turret]

Well I can't drive Bugatti either

[small glen]

Another reason to play cycle is to enjoy the new seasonal mechanics and content they introduce, whatever they are.

[flint turret]

Legacy has the exact same content added at the start of the cycle

[small glen]

Oh, didnt know that. Thought it was like the D4 where the new content only pass to the ''eternal'' realm once the new season ends.

[flint turret]

So if you want to rush the new content, legacy is even better

You already have a geared character for it

[flint turret]

No Uber Abby was available from the get-go 1.2

Its just almost no one plays legacy. When devs showed Uber Abby kill stats the distribution was hundreds or even thousands times more kills on cycle compared to legacy

[toxic swift]

legacy is the way

I gotta wonder if there will be a larger legacy presence next season. This season had more players overall, so it doesn't surprise me that all of the new players chose season

I just got my shadow cascade BD setup to be low-life auto potion chugging for fast shift CDs, and I gotta say this is my favorite iteration of a SC BD so far. super fun

[atomic vapor]

Yeah legacy in this game is virtually identical to season for cof. Play season only if you wanna join the hype train, other than that there's virtually no difference. For mg, though, I highly suggest sticking to season only. From what people are saying, bazaar is dead on legacy

[toxic swift]

yeah, good point there. if you like trading then season is the way to go

[uneven meteor]

In last patch reality with lizard falconer build throwing damage or crit multi on nihilis?

[wet bear]

what a snipe lol

[austere atlas]

it seems that rapid pursuit doesnt reduce the cooldown of smoke bomb with cloaked incursion? is this because of birds arent real?

weird because cloud gatherer activates even with birds arent real.

[minor locust]

Lmao

[austere atlas]

sounds like he should switch to heartseeker

[austere atlas]

i dont see talon blades stacks on my HUD or my stats changing in character so am i not proccing it or does it not show

[nocturne edge]

Oh god

WHAT DO I DO LORD

mmhmhmhm

I kinda wanna use it for other builds

do I just slapp T7 critchacne?

[small meteor]

hell nah '

idk what ur build is

[nocturne edge]

Well I want a ring that can be used in lotta builds

Should I just slap a T7 attribute?

TBH I play mostly STR builds

[small glen]

Noice

Tha's my balance just from the weekend. All ruined by nemesis lol

[nocturne edge]

Always usefull to reroll 1LPs

[flint turret]

Health is the safest choice for all builds

[tacit mist]

just get more rings

[flint turret]

T7 avoidance can be decent too. Its basically 20 all res

[small glen]

Health is a ring you could easily swap between characters with no significant prejudice to the build. Depending on the build it could be even an improvement

[static leaf]

Hey guys im new to the game at the moment im lvl 43 with marksman and i just unlocked the new heartseeker ability, at the moment im leveling with puncture/umbral blades and its really smooth but the heartseeker ability caught my eye, is it worth changing my build to go around heartseeker or should i keep playing with puncture/umbral blades? Any tips are appreciated!

[rare haven]

perosnally if keep ur build til u get all the gear u want or need for a HS build as changing ur build usually isnt a good idea til u have enough passive points and gear to make the build function otherwise u will backpeddle

specially if ur MG as u will need all that gold on respecs for item is ur COF gold is worthless

[tough tiger]

Casting dive bomb then immediately aerial assault seems to cancel the dive bomb. Is that normal?

[flint turret]

Hs doesn't really need any special gear to start with, and it's pretty fun. Dragonsong 0lp works pretty well as a starter

[manic wave]

is there anyone who's plying lethal mirage with BBC? i have a few questions

[trail pumice]

my first shatter relic and it got ruined ')

[teal matrix]

after 21billion of gold wasted atlast !! giving me
241 dex = 18 umbrals per proc
cant wait to test this with uberrrrr ❤️

[rough echo]

anyone got time to carry a coujple uberroths so i dont have to respec?

[pearl forge]

i do what questions

[austere atlas]

it was using dark quiver to get 15 more dusk shroud

i was just palying around with it

[muted cradle]

I beat abby for first time with "endurance" everywhere I could put it

This is very strong

I had "only" 600% freeze multiplier but it did the job, just more longer to kill it but you don't die with endurance lol

[flint turret]

But it's capped at 60% and endu thresh now rolls only on belts

[muted cradle]

Yes I saw the cap. I had the belt the boots mountain and the very rare gloves

[atomic vapor]

If you mean uber abby, how tanky do they make the marksman in the fight? I never used a good pair of ravenous voids, kinda interested how good they are vs immortal vise on a build that can handle the debuff

[flint turret]

Vise is magnitudes better

[muted cradle]

Just abby for the moment 😅

[flint turret]

Basically it's 30% reduction before endurance and extra 30% for endurance without downsides for vise and
15% before endurance, 30% for endurance for 3 seconds, and you also get a debuff and it will take 15s to regain the baseline 15% reduction for ravs

Reduced void damage taken on ravs is good for Abby tho, but still not as good as vise

[atomic vapor]

Assume the debuff is 100 % negligible thanks to your health restoring potency

And yeah I meant just Uber Abby thanks to that extra void reduction layer

[flint turret]

Debuff on ravs?

[atomic vapor]

yes the self dot

[muted cradle]

Didn't dropped it, need to do more Abby

[flint turret]

Its not about dot damage, it's about losing stacks

Even if you cleance it's still 15s to regain stacks

[atomic vapor]

Don't they ramp back up quick enough until the next say triple slam? Or anything you'd deliberately tank

It's not like he attacks fast

[flint turret]

You are not supposed to tank the triple slam tbh

I couldn't tank it with overcapped null, ravs, 3100 hp, double red rings and moving

[atomic vapor]

As a marksman, I'd try to eat anything I can in the face to squeeze out some more DPS tbh. Otherwise I see no point in the gloves

[flint turret]

But it's somewhat possible with vise

[atomic vapor]

My idea was, mitigate an attack you otherwise wouldn't be able to

Thanks to both the stacks and the % reduction

But if it's too much then yeah it's worthless

[flint turret]

Well, you don't really "need" them, but it makes it much easier for sure

You can get tanky enough to eat 3-sector and overhead mace

Which is not reasonably possible without vise

[atomic vapor]

It's interesting how the aspirational tab for heartseeker on maxroll still lists the voids

Always wondered why they don't consider vise better

I guess it does provide a lot of health but still

[flint turret]

Well, maybe they didn't want to put Uber Abby items in the aspirational hs planner because it's not really reasonable to farm Uber Abby with hs

[atomic vapor]

nah nah

Every single build that uses shattered worlds has it in the aspirational tab

[woeful hill]

is it missing damage or survivabilty? or both?

[flint turret]

Depends on how you build it, but one will be lacking most likely

[woeful hill]

If i wanted some uber abby items, would it be faster to start building a falconer gearset on the side and respec when I want to farm some uber abberoths?
(currently havent got normal abby down, since I am still farming gear and Blessings at 350 corruption)

COF btw, so I cant just buy them

[flint turret]

Yeah if you want Uber Abby items that's the play

If you wanna commit to hs, it's still possible tho. I killed Uber Abby with pretty low lp hs setup but it took 2-3 days

[pearl forge]

i killed him offstream and now im lazy to kill him again

but did it with vise

so L

it is crazy how much that changes things

[woeful hill]

I kinda want to push until I can get Ubberoth down, but It gets substantially easier once you have access to Uber Items

[pearl forge]

for sure

[woeful hill]

so I'm thinking once I can get to 800 or so corruption and farm it, i might try my luck with some tweaks

[pearl forge]

most important part was being able to tank the rays on last phase

[flint turret]

Yeah, people tend to underestimate vise compared to ravs, especially on Uber

[woeful hill]

but I am not even COF level 12 yet, so I still have a ways to go

[pearl forge]

i didnt even have ravs i was using shadow gloves for more dmg

but after 2 or 3 tries with vise

i was like damn im dumn

[flint turret]

I'd say Uber is at least around 1500 corr power level

[woeful hill]

I'd really like some 1LP red Rings with T7 dex, so thats what I'll try to get once i have CoF 12

[muted cradle]

Ok it's time to chase for vise 😋

[pearl forge]

it is also a test of skill somewhat

sadly im quite a bad player

so it took me longer

but if you dodge better and place rays well

it should be way easier just take some time

[woeful hill]

never tried normal abberoth either, so I am lacking a bunch of player skill and fight eperience

[pearl forge]

uber is way diff than normal

but you can use normal to practice

[woeful hill]

might take some time to get there, then

[flint turret]

Hs doesn't really want to climb that high because you will be trading damage for survivability and your clear will be dropping. Around 700-1000 I'd say is the most reasonable spot for decently geared hs

Item rarity doesn't affect prophecies and nemesis so who cares really

[woeful hill]

I was thinking some well rolled Ocearons for the 4% reduced damage taken and the 10% more damage might be a nice stepping stone until I get my Red Rings

Since I want my Imprints for triple exalted helmets

[muted cradle]

I "lost" all my red rings because of Némésis

Better have a 1lp red rings

[flint turret]

Crab and/or nomad

[atomic vapor]

Corruption sadly affects imprints but I wish we knew by how much

That said I don't push above 1k because I can't be bothered

I had a 50 second uber kill which I wasn't recording 💔

[astral iron]

should i pick hp or dodge for marksman?

[woeful hill]

nomad is really better? just for the health and resistances?

[flint turret]

Wdym "just"? 0lp nomad is t5 fire/cold/void res+t7 flat health. And nomad is easy to get 2-3 lp
0lp crab is similar, it's 6 all stats + 6vit + 20ms + bit of armor and res

[prisma marlin]

Why is it better to imprint multi exalt with affixes that make no sense than to imprint a tier 7 for build with 3 affixes at tier 4-5?

[prisma plover]

Hi any idea which build should I upgrade to at lvl 52 ranger?

[prisma marlin]

Which mastery are you?

[tacit mist]

because that gives you a bigger chance to also see multi exalt items with other affixes as well

because they can be the same affixes, but don't have to

[prisma plover]

I can change to any if I got the good build to follow

[prisma marlin]

Ok the RNG is really stacked

[tacit mist]

and it's really rare to get multi exalt items in general

[prisma marlin]

Most end game builds start around 70. If I was you I would just play whatever you feel like until you hit a wall and keep on dying a bunch

[prisma plover]

its my alt and can buy any gears according to my lvl

[prisma plover]

that's what I am getting dying again and again

btw, do you got some good character to boost me up some lvls?

[prisma marlin]

Ok and spamming troves is still the best way for multi exalt?

[tacit mist]

absolutely no idea, as I tried troves while imprints were bugged so I have nothing to compare it with

[prisma marlin]

Your resistances and crit avoidance are probably low.

[tacit mist]

or HP, or dodge

[prisma plover]

don't even have the dmg too lol

just got boosted from my friend last night 😄 to 52

[tacit mist]

did you upgrade your weapon/s at all ?

it's a huge thing for damage

[prisma plover]

I can buy items but don't have the planner or idea what should I do or follow?

[prisma marlin]

If you like heartseeker go marksman. Falconer is always a good choice too

[prisma plover]

so heartseeker?

[prisma marlin]

Yeah just go to maxroll and find a guide you like

[prisma plover]

do you think its good?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/TriKster/character/TriKsterMMS2

[prisma marlin]

Yeah that’s good

[prisma plover]

if you have good character would you mind getting me to the lvl 61 or so?

I think good items unlock ther

[spiral timber]

Hello guys and girls. I died with 3 active stacks of silver shroud. Can you explain to me why I didn't dodge the hit? This happens from time to time.

[prisma marlin]

Not everything can be dodged

[queen seal]

sadly silver shroud is not 100% reliable even for dodgeable attacks. it's probably a bug so report when it happens, hopefully it gets fixed some day...

[spiral timber]

Alright, thanks

[spiral timber]

I cannot dodge DoTs, thats for sure. But everything else? It says "dodge the next hit you would receive"

[prisma marlin]

I’m not sure exactly, I just know it’s always best to avoid lava and all damage zones. Silver shroud can be dropped and then you are extremely vulnerable

[flint turret]

some hits cannot be dodged too

[queen seal]

In this case, Scarab's Wing Dash is a hit and you 100% should be able to dodge it.

[flint turret]

yes, that one was weird

maybe you somehow got silver after the hit already registered, dunno

[queen seal]

I have similar cases in Arena where I had silver shroud stacks like for 2s, and then some attack 1-shots me, so pretty sure it's a bug.

[spiral timber]

No, the duration from silver shroud is at the end as you can see in the screen shot

[prisma marlin]

I’m thinking some attacks hit multiple times in a split second. So it looks like an instant death.

[flint turret]

he should have lost his silver in this case anyway

[spare folio]

whats the best bow suffixes for a fire heartseeker build? fire penetration?

[trail pumice]

What is the best ring for falconer build, not red ring. Thanks

[pearl forge]

some slams and rushes hit more than once

and silver shroud even with several stacks only dodges once

you just get more ward

the hammer guy from harbinger is notorious for this

his slams hit for like 3 times

[prisma marlin]

Any ring with tier7 dex

[stuck coral]

where does the tankiness come from in umbral build? im not strong enough for abberoth yet to farm chest, and i feel like im getting 1 shot at 200~ corruption

[prisma marlin]

Silver shroud stacks by using smoke bomb and moving around in the smoke bomb zone. Red rings and null portent provide huge damage reduction. Endurance also helps

[tacit mist]

Did I win ?

[flint turret]

Cold pen might be better, but I think it's pretty close

[undone dune]

i think with 4lp you probably want both

hybrid cit + multi + firepen +coldpen

what other suffix would you use

[flint turret]

Only utility ones like chill or slow or blind

[undone dune]

if you are using ucenui's to get a lot of increased cold damage then cold pen is probably better

[flint turret]

It might be, depending on the setup and purpose. Depends on what fire build he uses. Dragonsong or row

[undone dune]

even with dragonsong (what i assumed when he said fire) once you have like 95 dex, dragonfire is doing 50/50 cold/fire base damage

[flint turret]

If it's fire row then definitely cold pen is better, if it's dragonsong, then it's harder to decide. Most of bow proc is cold but big(or most, depending on dex amount)part of bow flat is fire

[flint turret]

Why 95

[undone dune]

napkin math

180 base damge divided by 9 (equivelnt of 20 flat fire) + 15 from bow + 60(average) from dragonfangs

[flint turret]

Its almost entirely cold anyway, there are almost no spell flat sources except mourning (belt and amulet is almost never used)

[spare folio]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/xy5r70eb#2 can someone explain why this build uses troaka's teeth of frost? is it for the frostbite/freeze?

and i dont understand why the build doesnt craft crit multiplier onto the quiver

[flint turret]

Hmm yeah true, depends on how much stacks of dragonfangs is up at average

[undone dune]

at that point (or when close to this point honestly) it just matters which damage type you are inreasing more for which one you want the pen type of

[flint turret]

Most(or half at least)of damage is cold, quiver doesn't roll multi

[atomic vapor]

Because maxroll builds try to balance survivability and damage. Their philosophy is zhp only when zhp is stated

That said the quiver used to have two damage stats iirc

Maybe they changed their mind later down

personally I don't think I'll ever try to build around those boots again, the penalty feels very steep for what they do

[flint turret]

These boots is the only thing that makes hs do relevant non dot damage

[atomic vapor]

yeah. it's still a very big penalty for a class that's as squishy as a build gets

If it was just cold it'd be fine I guess

[flint turret]

There are no good sources of bow/spell flat outside of it

[atomic vapor]

The hit on the physical side really hurts though

There are builds that get flat stats for absolutely free, marksman shouldn't have to pay such a gigantic price

[spare folio]

they crafted attack speed instead of crit multiplier on the quiver

[flint turret]

Hs is definitely not squishy

If you build it not into a glass cannon

The amount of dusk shrouds you can sustain is crazy

[flint turret]

Quiver doesn't roll multi bro

[atomic vapor]

I guess I'm just not a fan, maybe there's personal bias

[spare folio]

oh, my bad

[flint turret]

Well, if we compare it to bd, bd pays the heavy price in manacosts to deal damage, on top of being a close range fighter. Falconer is just broken, so there is no point to compare

[spare folio]

then what about using added fire or cold damage instead?

[atomic vapor]

Oh I'm not comparing it to falc for sure. But I guess I don't really take bd into account because I (hopefully) expect it to get reworked

I'm not gonna lie, lich getting a rework while bd struggles sounds silly in the grand scheme

I know it's unusable outside of stygian coal

[flint turret]

I don't think bd struggles at all tbh

[atomic vapor]

Comparatively, there's not a whole lot of things it doesn't functionally struggle against

[flint turret]

It has a great variety of 1k+ capable builds

[atomic vapor]

You can push 1k with pretty much anything after the enormous powercreep woven idols and Uber loot introduced

I still can't name too many things that do worse

[flint turret]

So how is that struggling?

At least 4 different bd builds cleared Uber abby

[atomic vapor]

has any of those reached comparative levels of clear speed yet?

[flint turret]

Comparatively to what?

[atomic vapor]

last I checked, virtually anything else viable in the broad sense

From the amount I'm aware, transformation builds have pushed it to crazy fast times recently, and even forge guard has good speedy kills

unless there's new bd tech I'm unaware of course

[pallid shale]

hey guys I'm a complete noob with Falconer. I've heard about Umbral Blades being the best build in the game, yet I see Juse smashing uber and doing 10k corr with a sync strike bleed falconer. Which build is faster in monos and easier to gear or start?

[tacit mist]

I'd say bigger overall damage is on Sync Strike Falconer, but Umbral Blades is smoother and faster to play in monos until around 2000 corruption

climbing higher with both will be painful to some degree

[undone dune]

umbral is also much more effective at low gear levels than synch strike

you basically need the entire umbral build put togeather before you can think about converting

so you should always start umbral blades

[severe siren]

falc is dead, gg

[manic wave]

is there any1 playing the maxroll's lethal mirage build? i have a few questions that i cannot find answers to in the guide

[pearl forge]

that one is kinda weird

im playing lightning LM

shadow daggers just does not do enough dmg imo but maybe someone can test it better

[manic wave]

what is the diffrence?

[rugged pollen]

there isnt any 10k corruption level of build for BD, that is true if that's what you're talking about

from 1k corruption to uber level of build, i dont think BD struggles. And im not talking about the armed-to-the-teeth level of gear

and BD is one of those classes that is still missing 1 signature skill, so it's natural that it lacks some variety

[atomic vapor]

thats 100% what I meant by "comparatively"

[rugged pollen]

I'd say BD is the exact average of the pack

[atomic vapor]

check my original statement. given how lich clears it very fast with stygian coal, it's a little sad that it's acolyte seeing love and not bd

[rugged pollen]

and something like Lich/Sorc is under average

[atomic vapor]

I've yet to see a bd build that clears faster than stygian coal but maybe I just don't look around enough

I'm sadly not constantly up to date due to work

[rugged pollen]

eh, clearing and fast mapping has never been a problem with BD. It's the bossing

[atomic vapor]

fully agree, I just don't see myself building something that only maps

[rugged pollen]

all the 3 popular route - shuriken, cascade, flask has very good clear

[atomic vapor]

feels restrictive

[keen snow]

I think only very very good & giga geared BDs have done Uber afaik

[atomic vapor]

there's a flask bd that does great but my original point is that acolyte is still better

I want bd to see more love s3

[rugged pollen]

I want that too, but i dont want it to be s2 sorc/s3 paladin treatment

[keen snow]

I haven't seen any Stygian Lich Uber kills which didn't use Uber gear.

[atomic vapor]

most non "meta builds" use uber loot

which is fine

[keen snow]

without the relic's flat crit the Lich just doesn't quite have the juice afaict

[atomic vapor]

I'm not saying lich is a season starter

[rugged pollen]

s2 sorc buff is pretty dumb, they basically reverse everything they gave sorc in 1.2 with 1.3

[atomic vapor]

but i'd pick lich over bd

yeah isn't glacier pretty much dead

[rugged pollen]

oh im not talking about strong or weak

im saying that ehg pretyt much failed to do the balance for sorc

[atomic vapor]

I don't agree with what mike said they want to make builds not stack 1 stat

hyperspecializing has always been the arpg endgame

[rugged pollen]

if you add something in one patch, just to erase all of them in the very next patch anyway, you've failed

[atomic vapor]

poe has been doing that for a decade ig

as long as they don't kill the current good builds

sure some need toning down

just don't kill them

only to make new broken ones

"here have this oops new season give it back" is the opposite of character progression

[pearl forge]

lm can do fine on high corruption just no one cares to push

tbh not like it is anything fun to do

[undone dune]

it really doesn't take insane gear to kill uber with shuriken BD

[woeful hill]

shuriken uber kill?

[undone dune]

its just a long fight

[woeful hill]

with what setup?

[atomic vapor]

how long is a kill with average gear?

[undone dune]

like 6-8 mins

[atomic vapor]

see 8 mins to minmax drop with lps isn't viable in my eyes

[pearl forge]

yea on lm it also takes 8 to 10 mins or so

[atomic vapor]

drops*

[pearl forge]

min max would be like 6 or less but cba

or maybe fulgurite does better

event horizon too but idk

[undone dune]

i did it offline in about 7 mins with what i consider "reasonably" minmaxed gear

[atomic vapor]

I'm aware 40-50 seconds isn't intended let alone 7 or 2 or oneshot that timerot does but 8 mins is horrendous for farming as well

if you want a bossfight to take as long as a raidboss

[undone dune]

nothing with more than 1/100 lp odds and never more than 1 t7 mod per item

[atomic vapor]

drops shouldn't have 4 different rolls

maybe a hot take I guess

[undone dune]

its actually insane how much easier uberoth feels offline with 0 ping

i didn't think 50ms would matter

but it does

[atomic vapor]

idk how to describe it but offline feels like a timewaste in a sense

[undone dune]

its much less of a waste when you are just generating gear

[atomic vapor]

if there was no hero editor it would be a different case

[undone dune]

not waiting for it to drop

[atomic vapor]

no testing is a different beast entirely

I mean playing legit

[undone dune]

well theres no reaosn to play offline legit

i do it to test stuff im too lazy to farm for

and shurikens seems to work

[atomic vapor]

that's what I mean. there's many dedicated offline players that grind hard yet they don't "matter" because it's offline and could've "generated gear"

[undone dune]

well offline is nice for steamdeck....

[atomic vapor]

I gotta try that sometime

must feel cool

[undone dune]

its super cool the only rough patch is loot filters

[rugged pollen]

well, online also dont matter

for majority of players

[flint turret]

I like it being 8+mins fight and I like it being "unfarmable". Too bad it's pointless when such big outliners exist

[atomic vapor]

I put matters in quotes for a reason lol

[undone dune]

long duration fights are so much more manageable once i learned how to bait lasers

or that baiting lasers mattered

but it still sucks

[atomic vapor]

I like balance. Sure oneshot builds are bad but I'm sorry I don't wanna take 8 minute kills to minmax the drops of a boss. There's a reason why mmo raidbosses take that amount of time but their drops have fixed stats

I'm not gonna do 100 8min uber maps

[undone dune]

also you only get to fight the bosses once per week generally in an mmo

because of the time commit the ydont want you to feel like you missed out if you dont spam it

[flint turret]

That's the whole point of "unfarmable" part

[prisma marlin]

Im just worried about playing a bugged build.. getting the rug pulled out from under you is never fun

[atomic vapor]

I get that, but I still don't wanna use the very first midrolled item that drops and call it a day

[undone dune]

i sure hope they dont find any more falconer bugs to fix

especially now that druid is the new meme

[flint turret]

Uber items are not build-defining uniques

Its just good overall items

[undone dune]

shattered worlds is such an easy crit cap though....

[prisma marlin]

May the egg make this 4 LP

[undone dune]

0lp

[atomic vapor]

and the gloves are some of the best damage mitigation in the entire game

[undone dune]

meh

ravs exist

[atomic vapor]

necessary? no

[undone dune]

gloves are nice but not super out of the power level for that slot

[atomic vapor]

Idk about that one, especially when some builds can critcap regardless. You really can't go wrong with the best defensive glove slot when there's no offensive option

[undone dune]

again ravenous void

[atomic vapor]

I'm not saying shattered worlds isn't stronger in a vacuum

I get that, but still

also that lp level of 105

is very trash let's be honest

[undone dune]

thats fair

its possible reasonable to get 2lp vise

not so much for ravs

[atomic vapor]

neither are nowhere near as mandatory as some build defining items like razors or stygian coal

but god they're strong

[undone dune]

I do feel like an unreasonably high ammount of the builds i attempted this season use a crit multi nihilus + a 5% crit shattered worlds

[atomic vapor]

Null portent being a great source of % life and phys res long before the overcap being achievable, with a non horrible chance at 2lp also deletes a lot of chests that again aren't build defining like the hydra chest or titan heart

[undone dune]

pale ox is actually better for every non rogue afaik

maybe not sentinal

[flint turret]

Titan heart is amazing for 2-hand weapons

[atomic vapor]

I completely forgot about pale ox you're right, another dominant chest

[undone dune]

IMO pale ox is more problematic than null, even mage builds are saying to run it and use the teleport node to spawn an illusion

[atomic vapor]

I think the difference is availability

what procs faster, imprints or normal abby kills?

[undone dune]

you also dont need to overcap res

frees up some space on affixes

and blessings

[atomic vapor]

imo if you overcap phys and void you got your value out of the chest

[steel mango]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/here_and_now/character/Here_And-N0w
Hi, I want to raise EHP vs one-shot to 15k+, what should I do to do this?

[woeful hill]

bruh what, my loot filter didnt even highlight it

i didnt get to slamming my noamd and crab rings yet

but with 0LP its not worth it to run on HS, right?

so now i just wait a while since i got more important gearing upgrades than farming a 1 LP ring

[steel mango]

Try throwing it at nemesis
Kinda like the 14+- rings I spun in it, got my two with potency.

[woeful hill]

fair enough

and then imprint I guess?

[prisma marlin]

0LP worth if you meet the attribute requirements for less damage taken. if not jsut run any tier 7 dex ring

[steel mango]

I've only had them fall from the print a couple times, more have fallen from the prophecies

[woeful hill]

okay, so keeping my multi exalted imprinted is probably the way to go

[prisma marlin]

Thats what people have been saying but i think imprinted might of been nerf super hard compared to a month ago

[woeful hill]

whats the best strat to run if i just want to trigger as amny imprints as possible? i got some good LP items to slam to get this Rogue up to 500c

[prisma marlin]

I'm starting to think conquered towers are better for multi exalt.

unclaimed troves spam for imprint proc.

[woeful hill]

okay, so farm amber, buy unclaimed troves and profit

[prisma marlin]

I spent 100k in conquered towers last week and 140k in unclaimed troves this week. So far I've seen better drops using conquered towers

BUT small sample size maybe a mega blaster could tell us the best strategy

[undone dune]

better than expected

[prisma marlin]

the t5 failed but im still using it lol

[woeful hill]

I am sad to report that it died

[prisma marlin]

the bow that will take down uberroth

[undone dune]

good luck

makes me feel a tiny bit 🤏 better to see someone else miss the 2lp slam

[prisma marlin]

So what happens if i imprint the bow, will it be a higher chance for max rolls?

[atomic vapor]

you'll get a higher chance to get what's in there

but they seem to be rolling individually

too many times I'm getting partially what's in there

[undone dune]

no i think for uniques its just higher chance for the same unique

and because you are imprinting a 2lp its also higher chance for 2lps to drop

[atomic vapor]

they work exactly the same. partial chance to roll all of its individual properties. same unique, lp, rolls. it feels no different from exalted imprints

[undone dune]

yeah i dont think exalteds have anything that gives you higher rolls within range either

lp just replaces fp

[atomic vapor]

I've gotten my multi t7s with all sorts of ranges within the t7

maxroll individual t7s

both worse than my imprint

so on so forth

I've seen the entire spectrum

[woeful hill]

can nemesis give you jewelry?

[prisma marlin]

Min/max is hard lol

[woeful hill]

it doesnt seem like it

[atomic vapor]

you guys like failed imprints?

[prisma marlin]

I wish there was some way to know when an imprinting is proccing. I have no idea whats going on with my imprints or if they are working

[prisma marlin]

wait youre getting imprints with affixes on them or is that from nemesis egg

[atomic vapor]

red ones are just eggs

orange ones are not what I have imprinted

I got 2lp 2 skills 9 dex

I got 2 12s with 0 lp

as much as 2lps with 0 dex

[prisma marlin]

So impriting uniques might be bad unless its RR

[atomic vapor]

ehhh

it gives you a lot of fodder for gauntlet gamba

I sacc the ass ones, reroll the good ones, back into the egg

if lp, turtle

rinse repeat

my best ones so far (twice)

[prisma marlin]

what do you think is btter for multi exalt. coves or conquered towers

[atomic vapor]

1000c+

and troves

[prisma marlin]

im at 1k

[atomic vapor]

I have double and triple t7s for things I don't play

they drop very often

this crap has happened like 20 times today?

[prisma marlin]

its really hard to min/max with cof

[thin quartz]

why is it hard? CoF is literally the faction for min max

[prisma marlin]

you can get very unlucky

[thin quartz]

with Temporal Sanctum?

[prisma marlin]

You need to find high rolled exalt with the affixes you want and unique with good rolls with high LP (or other fodder for roll boost) and then land the slam. When trying to stack attributes and requiring near perfect rolls to upgrade from 1LP ->2LP->3LP. Sometimes using 1LP or 2LP is better option because of rolls and gearing options

[thin quartz]

ok

[prisma marlin]

99.9% of the multi eexalts I've seen have affixes on them that make no sense. Using havoc/redemption is crazy RNG and you're lucky if you can make 2 affixes work

[thin quartz]

2 affixes isnt hard. 3 is

[prisma marlin]

yeah thats what i mean like void penetration added

makes no seense

[thin quartz]

??? you're talking about 2 affixes. why are you looking at suffix?

[prisma marlin]

Im just saying in general items drop with a bunch of nonsense affixes that make no sense together

[thin quartz]

that is why you have to craft them???

that is why Forge exist?

and all the runes / glyph

[prisma marlin]

That's if you enough FP and you do not brick your item with rune of removal or glyph of despair

[thin quartz]

i just showed you proof on 4 different bows with 2 same prefix double exalt.

[prisma marlin]

Im no saying that the stars cannot align, but the RNG is INSANE

[thin quartz]

sure

[ivory sentinel]

Sure, how its supposed to be, thats what makes getting good item(affixes that go together) exciting.

[prisma marlin]

I can see the whole something has to be 'bad' in order for something to be 'good,' 1LP and 2LP farming and slamming feels achievable, but 3 and 4 LP feels hard to find exalt and high LP unique with the correct rolls. Is another 250 hours of play time worth it?

[ivory sentinel]

Depends, thing is unlike 1-2lp its never required, so its a player's choice to grind for sake of grind or not.

Also because target farming and crafting double t7 with desired t5 of your choice is so much easier and faster than 3ple t7, it might be reasonable to settle.

[lusty birch]

as opposed to what, MG?
are you going to tell me that it's easier to buy the exact double t7 affixes you want from the overly inflated market that has very limited supply in the first place?

[small meteor]

easier to get imprint bases on MG though

can easily buy a 3xt7 of the market

[lusty birch]

that's true, but imprint bases aren't that hard to get either on CoF imo

ok 3xt7 yeah that'll be hard to get yourself on cof

[small meteor]

not saying its hard. but cof definately takes longer. some people dont want to farm nem for hours

[vernal cedar]

How would Nem drop t7 exalted bases?

[small meteor]

this is from nem. 1xt7 1xt6

its just RNG

[prisma marlin]

I never played MG so I can’t speak to the experience. All I’m saying is a lot of drops have affixes that do not make any sense. Might be a better idea to lower the amount of drops but make gearing more streamlined into leaving it up to flipping a coin and rolling a dice

[lusty birch]

Meh then it becomes way too easy to gear

[prisma marlin]

I agree it’s a very complex issue

[lusty birch]

The point of having chase gear is the chase, if everyone can get the bis gear easily then why would you keep playing

You dont need perfectly bis gear to play your build

[prisma marlin]

I think 1 LP and 2LP are fine but 3LP and 4LP are really rough territory

It will stilll be nice to be able to t7 with three t5

[lusty birch]

And thats perfectly fine, builds should already be complete at full lp1 or even full lp2

Lp3 lp4 thats just minmax cherry on top that shouldnt be even considered unless you really dont value your own time, i think thats a great way to balance it

[prisma marlin]

This is the best I could do. All of crafts were tiers 1 and 2s. Slamming this into a 4LP just feels bad

[lusty birch]

You just need to imprint a t7 and keep farming, its not too hard to get a t7 with 3 other t5 mods u want

Like the point of arpgs is to farm for upgrades. If you make it 99% easier then whats the point of playing

[prisma marlin]

I agree, but it would still be nice if we had a lil more forging potential

Slammming t4 into 4LP feels bad

I’m not even going for multi exalt

[lusty birch]

Thats why you dont do it then? U scrap the item and keep farming

Like idk what to tell u
Surely you already have a lp2 or even lp3 ur already using, whats the rush

[prisma marlin]

I want to wear full 3LP and 4LPs lol, but you’re right haha

[lusty birch]

Bruh go into offline and cheat items in if u want to skip the grind, like thats the end result if we take your line of thinking to its logical end

[prisma marlin]

That’s cheating lmao

[lusty birch]

Yeah and making the game way easier to obtain loot leads to the same result, skipping 99% of the grind

I wont deny that theres a balance to be had but in its current state i would even argue that its too easy to get things still, putting exalted affixes onto a unique item is crazy to me as a poe1 player

[thin quartz]

i dont think LE is the game for you at this point

[simple kestrel]

What’s the main difference between the talon maxroll build and juse dagger falconer? Which one is better in the beginning? They seem to use the same skills?

[woeful hill]

LP3+ is not something you should plan around, 1 T7 legendary is all you need in most slots, or a T7+T5
Beyond that its a game balance/build making issue

[spare folio]

frostbite/freeze isnt relevant for a fire heartseeker build right?

[woeful hill]

indeed

[stoic shadow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnDbxR0o

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (10) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (59)

General:

▸ Health: 2,538, Regen: 46.8/s
▸ Mana: 239.51, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 13/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 234 Dex / 26 Int / 26 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 80% / 80% / 91% / 171% / 98% / 103%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 508
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2747)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,135)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 16%

Used skills:

Aerial Assault / Dark Quiver / Dive Bomb / Umbral Blades / Smoke Bomb

[stoic shadow]

for this build do you cast falconry, or you just have it pn bar?

[prisma marlin]

Ok

[prisma marlin]

lol

[prisma marlin]

I understand now how people get 3LP and 4LP items with good exalteds. It just takes time and it’s ok if your slam misses because it’s easy to farm strong 2LP and 1LP. So you recommend any other games other than LE?

[flint turret]

Slormancer allows to graft(transfer) 3 pure(exalted) stats from 3 different pieces without any randomness if you don't like the randomness of a legendary system in le

On top of rerolling any regular stat and it's range infinite amount of times

[atomic vapor]

Chronicon allows for infinite rerolling on individual stats at a comfortably farmable cost

[spare folio]

is it worth trying to stack ignite/bleed % as fire heartseeker?

[orchid sail]

Depends where most of your damage is coming from

If it’s DoT then sure, if it’s hit then no

[distant grail]

My brain hurts you want lp3/4 but you also don't want to do double t7 you know a t7 is basically 2 t5s right .
Planning for full double t7 on LP 2 items is stronger than lp3 7/5/5 slams in most cases

[flint turret]

I missed 2lp slam for t7+t5 17 consecutive times. If I was farming double t7 for each try, it would have taken months

[distant grail]

Hitting a 2 LP slam is 1/3 it's actually not that hard to do and perfectly reasonable to plan for

[flint turret]

I thought so too before I missed it 17 times in a row

[distant grail]

Then you're an extreme outlier because the math is 1/3

And in games like this decisions are based on the math

[slate wyvern]

is there a bug with rogues aerial prowess node from aerial assault? doesnt get consumed by my dive bomb for some reason

[flint turret]

In games decisions are also made on fun. And I don't see myself having fun while farming a year for 20 double t7 slams on 2lp

[simple kestrel]

Guys is there a big difference between the umbral blades falc with daggers vs bow?

[slate mulch]

@sage canyon for acid flask, is there a big difference between ranged and melee?

[sage canyon]

melee harder to gear less dmg

more tank

[slate mulch]

i see, and did you manage to test the soul gambler ward setup

and how strong the ward gen was, i saw on smk's video that he expected like 2k ward gen?

and is the melee setup tanky enough to offset losing some range?

[flint turret]

Soulgambler is pretty crazy on hs too

[distant grail]

So you plan your game play around generational bad rng? I did the math on the odds of missing a 1/3 17 times in a row and it's..... Damn near impossible so either you're fudging how many in a row you missed or a loony toon anvil might actually fall on you you're so unlucky

Lol

[slate mulch]

does it proc multiple times? ive never tried soul gambler on a build so i dont have an amazing grasp on how much ward it can actually give

[flint turret]

I had 1500+ stable ward with 50% crit chance on hs with it

So it can go much higher

[slate mulch]

yeah thats solid

especially considering its just a 1 item investment

god forgive me trying to find multiple exalteds on mg thru the UI is so hard

[distant grail]

Mg ui is awful that is true

[slate mulch]

for me for some forsaken reason the UI doesnt fit properly on my screen unless i crank the resolution down way low

so its even harder to navigate since like a quarter of it is cut off

[flint turret]

I flex my game plan depending on the circumstances. I had like 20 planners for hs because I did t know what gear I will be getting with what lp. I missed 5-6 2lp row, 4-5 elecoe 2lp and maybe like 8 brew belts 2lp in a row to a total of 17. Partially maybe to a weird bug/feature of eternity cache interaction with mirrored items , because I was getting the same slams from them most(or all) of the times I used creation on

I'm not sure its even a thing, but that's the best explanation I have

[slate mulch]

wasnt there a rumor of some kind of predetermined mechanic for slams?

[distant grail]

So you didn't miss 17 in a row you're just adding together how long it took you to hit items

[slate mulch]

something about imprinted items being predetermined as to how theyll slam

[flint turret]

Well, it was different items but in a row

[distant grail]

Also ofc you get the same result a bunch it's a 1/3 it hits the same thing

[flint turret]

I haven't hit a single 2lp slam between those

[flint turret]

Yeah I heard about it but I can't neither confirm nor deny

Most if my items wasn't imprinted

Most of them were rune of creation doubles that gave me the same 2lp slams tho

[slate mulch]

i guess it wouldnt be too far off base to believe that rune of creation copies may function similarly to imprnts if they do in fact have some form of pretermined slamming tied to them

[flint turret]

Its not really a 1 item investment, it requires heavy investment in crit chance

I would consider it only with Abby relic

[flint turret]

Yeah, but it's still a speculation because no one actually knows the details. Ruining 12 belts in a row while trying to get double suffix was pretty frustrating tho

But if it was 6 actually because creation is somehow bugged it starts to make more sense

[slate mulch]

i guess it wouldnt be too hard to do a rough test in offline mode with runes of creation

imprinting is much harder to test because imprints cant be generated

[flint turret]

True, but I'm to lazy to do it, and I'm not that interested already because I already met my goals for 1.2

[slate mulch]

i might try it out later just for curiosity's sake, im mostly done 1.2 and just fiddling around with random builds on offline anyway

[tough tiger]

Whats the point of crit multi for classic umbral blade? How does the falcon inherit the multiplier?

[flint turret]

In a sense my terrible slamming luck even contributed to it, because I ended up doing Uber Abby with hs using low lp gear instead of a cracked one

[trail pumice]

Can i have some help please? what would you sell this for. Thanks in advance

[slate mulch]

Should be prettt easy to price check that

Unfortunately can’t access LE rn

[muted cradle]

Rule of the Simoon is very fun in VFX with HS DragonSong build but it don't crit and cost 22 mana

I can clear corr 550+ but with a lot of mana management 😅

[atomic vapor]

Can confirm this is false

Same mirrored item, different slammed stats on multiple occasions here

You just had bad rng

[slate mulch]

1/17 is truly generationally bad rng

rip

[thin quartz]

I even debunked it few weeks ago.

[flint turret]

I'm not insisting that it's true, but it might as well have conditions like doing it on the same day/session/dungeon difficulty, etc

[atomic vapor]

Even then I'm talking back to back slams

Two uniques two mirrored items

First got bricked second got the t7s in

And not just once

[slate mulch]

for getting multiple exalteds is there any bonus for cof over mg?

if the common method seems to be spamming nemesis towers

[atomic vapor]

There's a 1/4 of all yellows will be purples rank

And a double chance for a t7 rank

[trail pumice]

i just dont wanna put it up for a price that's not crap and im lazy lmao

[slate mulch]

i briefly checked and it doesnt seem too expensive, maybe like 3-5m

[severe siren]

is the stun stacking falconer dead?

[slate mulch]

thanks, guess i have to weigh whether its wortgh playing cof/mf for a nonmeta build where the high LP uniques are not very expensive

[trail pumice]

thanks @slate mulch

[atomic vapor]

it's the purples that hurt

I think mg is worth if you play a build that uses uniques with god awful ranges

[slate mulch]

i see, if you dont mind, for acid flask marksman, do you think its better to go mg or cof starting fresh? https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/

[prisma marlin]

Nemesis towers is a solid Strat especially if you have a bunch of 0LP in stash. COF rank 6 gives 50% increase to exalted affixes

[atomic vapor]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZVLzv2B do you mean this?

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (23) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (59) / Falconer (26)

General:

▸ Health: 2,783, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 250.42, Regen: 8.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 26 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 565% / 135% / 36% / 111% / 87% / 66% / 42%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 974
▸ Dodge Chance: 60% (2588)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (501)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 75%

Used skills:

Acid Flask / Smoke Bomb / Explosive Trap / Heartseeker / Cinder Strike

[atomic vapor]

Imo entirely farmable with cof

[slate mulch]

oh yeah sorry the plnnaer link goofed

[atomic vapor]

keep in mind it looks like it'll struggle to go above 10mill dps without god gear

and it looks very spammy

[slate mulch]

yeah its off meta but ive done all the meta builds so far and wanted to close out 1.2 with something more lowkey

[atomic vapor]

sounds great

[slate mulch]

it did uberroth in 1 min50 which is very respectable

[atomic vapor]

oh it can push that low? damn then it's better than it looks

doesn't sound that off meta at all lol

[slate mulch]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/g27t1004#2

that was the version mishka made that did ubberoth

[atomic vapor]

all of them are very common items

I don't think the faction matters

if im not mistaken the boots are the rarest piece no?

[slate mulch]

yeah

i had a thought it wouldnt be that bad to gear, thanks for confirming

[atomic vapor]

I mean ok if you're gonna minmax as hard as that planner

with that god tier dragonsong

it'll take you some time for sure

but if you plan to stick to it till s3

you got till what, august? september?

and if it's a 2min uber kill

it sounds great without being busted

[slate mulch]

it doesnt seem too bad, the gear is just 1 t7 and rest t5s for the slams

[atomic vapor]

yeah I mean in the event that you giga tryhard

and try to go double t7

(I do that and it's a pain)

[slate mulch]

yeah i can imagine double t7s are a slog no matter what

in any build

[atomic vapor]

imprints are probably the best thing that happened to LE

they made chase items reasonably farmable

but it's still a slog

big big slod

g

[slate mulch]

yeah and theres atleast a feeling of some agency in what youre dropping

via imprints

[atomic vapor]

it's so nice that it's not 100% gamba

[slate mulch]

for sure

do you know if imprinting a mg item causes imrpinted drops to have the mg tag on it?

[flint turret]

It does

Can't say I'm a big fan of imprinting tbh

[atomic vapor]

I don't have an opinion when it comes to whether it's finely tuned or not. But what I do know is that I quit season 1 because I couldn't handle the zero direction gamba

[flint turret]

It overlaps with prophesies

[atomic vapor]

Now we can finally target farm and I genuinely can't complain

[prisma marlin]

I feel the same way

[flint turret]

I like woven echoes imprinting tho. Item imprinting needs some extra work to be done imo

[atomic vapor]

I don't trust their level of "rework" lol

I'd rather they don't touch it than nerf it