#🔪┃rogue
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you can also sell your soulfire bastion keys for more portal charms
that dungeon is useless
on that item its worth it, its very common and always can farm in dungeon, you get more keys/charms than you can use
because ember gambling has awful odds and you might not even be able to buy a single one of the item type you want
because of the way that vendor works
and cos Soul foundry echo exists if you need gamblng unqiues
and unlike the others you cant use portal charms to skip it
Which is also horrid btw
you can!
because you need to kill trash in the dungeon to get the souls
well you could
but you coldn't gamble if you did
i guess if you needed a boss drop from there
if you use a portal cham you get 20 souls (which you need to swap immunity in the boss fight)
normal clear is like 300
true i guess..
i dont even use soulfire in the campaign skip
i did get a red ring from that dungeon tho XD about 3 days ago... cos of the COF prophecy..
i just do it laiter as a shortcut to the target dummys
to get arena waypoint* to be exact
pureluck XD
Never skipped story personally
I think temporal is what I skipped for progress
you should
So like whats the best build overall for both echos and uber
i havn't killed campaign lagon since 0.9
timerot VK
I'm gonna be honest
unless you mean rogue build
I mean with rogue
I dislike the dungeons more than story
I dont wanna do VK anymore
If you want build diversity, you've picked the wrong season lol
Meta has more or less settled
the divebomb build is really good untill like 1k corruption then gets very expensive if you want to push becuase you cant get tanky stats without hitting risky slams on high LP gear
If you don't care about pushing very high corruption, most popular builds will help you farm anything consistently
season 1 wasn't great either, you could choose between zhp ballista, or a slightly different zhp ballista tha doesn't explode
Basically lol
Just trying to figure out exactly which one i should be shotting for
or a bboc build that you would never hit the 1lp slam on julra's ring for
I played a little torment, had fun tbh not even gonna lie
Normal abby kills weren't even that slow
So sync strike can still do uber fast?
Im just running Juses build
Except dont have gear
If you're ok with 1-2mins yes
Is the maxroll umbral blade guide good and reasonable? I know sometimes people meme on maxroll
depending on the class
maxroll has some very good bulds
Falconer isn't one of those
Let's put it that way
Just use juse's sync
ive been lazily waiting for someone else to cook a shroud stacking UB build haha might have to start trying at it myself in offline
Its easy 40+ shrouds at all times I'm not sure why noones done it yet
back to the drawing board
I still don't think there will be much further minmaxing. The premise is very very clear
its easy 100+ while inside 2 smokebombs
Hoping im wrong ofc
Yaaa i was running w/o smoke bomb and just black arrow talented with daggers
Was able to hold a consistant 30
I was talking to kezic about this yesterday but Im dying like crazy on Juses sync build
at 1k corruption
Yea
i dont really see the value in farming 1k corruption if you die that much
just go down to 700 to farm smoothly till you have gear
ya if ur dying/its slowing you down just drop it down
Im probably going to do that
the difference in drops isn't noticeable
Just use the brew belt over the jungle belt for mapping if you're dying
I know I started dropping down to 800 because i prefer to use AA as a movement lol
i find smokebomb movement is fine
its "fine" its not nearly as fast
i dont like shift
Getting a 3lp brew belt to reliably slam cdr and health should take you what
but smokebomb feels nice
A day? Two?
no
its absudrly rare
IDK never tried to go after that belt at all
Its guranteed drop, i assume tis not hard to farm LP w/ turtle and that always having LP it seems
they have to drop or turtle
Keep in mind he drops what 2-3 or whatever belts per kill
i have 2 stash tabs full of legendary nemesis slams on buckles
Idk
Ya, i wouldn't nem slam buckle when its a common drop and low-mid LP value
3lp is only like 1/300 as cof
Your brew is my peak
it says that
🫸🫷
but like i put at least 40 buckles into nemeissi and got only legendaries
theres something off with that item
not a single one rolled even 1lp
Nemesis doesn't factor LP chances on items tho its completely seperate i thought
yes it does
Ya, all of mine have been natural
As I said I wouldn't egg a common boss drop unless it had super high lp chances like peak
Did I fill an entire timeline with breweries? Yes I did
even tho turtle prob better
5 reweaving 1 folly, unless there's new tech
Too much trove gaming dot com?
all of it goes into that stupid cemetery to try to get a decent inheritance
Haha, yeah im only broke when I buy troves but mostly folly+reweaving is like 30-40k an hour taking 4-5min an echo in black sun
I’m always micromanaging my amber…great concept but I think amber is a bit too stingy
Guys are we playing the same game 😭I'm trying not to cap my amber here
i wish amber was more like favor, and i could just click on it after a week and see oh boy im rich
instead i look after a week of play I have like 60k
I keep forgetting theres a favor cap D:
That's not what sucks
What sucks is that you can't spend it all in one go
A full tab is what 500kish?
500k if you are picky
Yee if using double blocker more like 400k ish it seems
God awful
I can't be non picky when I can easily rack up half a million in one session
I'll cap it faster than I spend it
I have to get the big prophecies
how long are your sessions
About 4 hours on a good day where work doesn't screw me over
9-1am or something
Depends on my mood
I want to be fasterrrr might just try out full dodge and slam a kestrel for haste effect
at like 125% movement speed rn
125 not enough for you with smoke bomb traveling one screen away at less than 3 second cd? Lol
You should be zooming like mad
Not mad enough 😮 lol
The sonic build
I really have always prefered aa for movement D: especially now that it doesnt get stuck any more haha
It goes further but I like smoke bomb more
It feels like
More control-y?
If that makes sense
Probably doesn't
they did fix AA movement targeting
Kind of does, sometimes AA feels like its pathing gets wonky
it was super janky for the first few weeks of this season
Yeah, mostly havent had it mess up on keyboard/mouse kezic
Season 1 AA was the nastiest thing any arpg ever made
That thing jumped over to the next game on my steam list
Thats what got me hooked to falconer and its why im still here 2.5k hours later lol
Lmao fair fair
ohh maybe it was just WASD/controller
It def was messed up on those and like 50% on controller it would still randomly target a mob at launch of s2
Yeah, no longer wide screening for an extra screen of aa
How are the sync strike or new shroud umbrals builds for clearing? I don’t have any of the new idols yet and need to farm them up. Or should I just stick with the maxroll build?
Both handle 1k just fine
Sweet thanks
I’m missing some defense slams so anything higher than 1k gets kinda scary
I need somoene to make a minmaxed shroud stacking umbral build so I can blindly follow
😄
lool
Chadi posted his profile earlier. Not minmaxed but it looks really solid. 9m umbral damage tooltip. It’s probably very close to minmaxed
Ooo i'll creep on it 😄
For traitors I would just follow Chadi. I am going to build a talon version when I get in front of a pc and ill post here
These gloves do not exist - at least not at level 140 corruption or below. I've tried in the Ending the Storm timeline as maxroll suggests. I've tried via Gaspar. I've run with prophecies (since I'm CoF). I have had hundreds of gloves drop but none of these. I've checked each time, in case the filter was blocking them but nope, all good there. What is the deal getting these gloves. They feel rarer than red rings (which I've yet to farm either ...)
Also - is the only way to get exalted items to slam on uniques in Sanctum via prophecies because absolutely nothing is dropping. Still using rare rings and armour (+ to Heartseeker doesn't exist either).
Exalted items aren’t dropping?
dont those have a drop bias from the boss in the last ruin?
up to like 4.5% chance (9% cof) at 500 corruption ro something
Where do you get that info from. Maxroll and lastepochtools don't list a corruption level requirement (or maybe lastepochtools does and I missed it)
just assume % caps at like 600 corruption or so
at 140 you would have like 0.2%
or so
gl my man
Where do you get those numbers from. I can see the % increased with rarity. So is rarity equated to corruption level then in this case ?
I got one yesterday in a 500-ish echo. No LP tho.
Seems like I'd have a better chance via Rune of Ascendency 😜 At least this explains why I've seen none. Probably a better chance of dropping a Rune from the Exiled Mages ...
It does say extremely rare tho. And yeah probably rare than red ring. Maybe I should. Imprint lol!
i have dropped a few to sell
and well lets say that you can do the boss 200 times or so and not get many at 1000 corruption
I guess I'll go find some other gloves to use then. Chasing these and red rings and a Null Portent for the build seems like a fools errand under COF
not really you just need to keep gaming and get to higher corru
those are kinda endgame
Awesome! I was actually thinking bow myself for it just for the ability to dump black arrows for more free shroud stacks w/ an untallented bow skill
Also frenzy and free shadows/birds arent real on the dive bomb so many things haha
I'm in end game - empowered monoliths - but I guess those are not the real end game
You need to farm husk the elder
I did - a lot - but at the corruption level I'm at I would have better chance getting a lizards tail. At least I know why I was not seeing any drops now. I can be at peace and move on
that is endgame
so just dont try to farm things rn
you have like 20 times or less item rarity
than you would want
A note on the gloves
Right - I'l go complete the other 6 harbingers I have to get through. If gear drops I can use then great, otherwise as you suggest will work on chase items later. I should be able to get to level 300 corruption wiith what I have, though I'll die more often than I'd like. At least you are not penalised like in POE/POE2 for dying
Those are the ravenous voids, one of the rarest items in the game
I don’t think we would have an open skill slot would we? UB/DB/AA/smoke bomb/falcon
It has a higher rarity than anything else in the game
Don't expect them to drop like candy
Hmm From what im reading Umbral blades builds would kill abby at about the same speed as sync strike at this point and they are way better at echos
so why go sync strike
I was thinking of dropping smoke bomb with a clear focus/not a boss focus
You get hella shrouds in smoke tho right?
And double damage
I don't expect them just to drop all the time. I guess I should have read LE Tools instead of just looking at the maxroll build. I think they labe lthese as endgame items. I think what they consider endgame and my definition are vastly different 🙃
Probably don’t need the damage really
You do! But I feel like when i'm clearing/screens are dead im moving immediately out so having black arrows just dropping from falcon hits means still maintaining 40+ stacks of shroud
with no bomb
ye but thx to envy scrolls and new echoes they can drop more
for the record i can do like 3 bosses a minute or more
and i still have like 500 of those envy scrolls
Welcome to arpgs
wha ti dont like about envy scrolls
is that timelines have a limit
i would love to just slam 1 million stability
Ah yeah I see. Consistent 40 stacks while zooming.
and just do the boss 700 times in a row
Yeee that would be the idea
@steel kitee how fast do you kill uber on your build
This is a theoretical build im playing dw traitor dive bomb rn
post nerffix i'm at about a minute w/ putting more points in talon knives I think im at around a minute
I am gonna build something for UA first I think. U build that one and we combine. Magic
Also a note on clear speed, if your goal is to farm and not set a record, and you're debating between killing Uber aberroth 20 seconds slower, you shouldn't be wasting your time doing that
ya, i'm all about clear speed focus rn
I have no problem respeccing when needed to do 30 ubers or w/e
If you wanna try umbral blades, farm the idols passively while mapping, but either build destroys the game at 1k corruption
Don't feel like you're missing out on anything
I can't find a user named 'chadi', any chance you could link one of his messages even if it ain't the one we are lookng for?
It’s up in the chat. I can’t scroll well. On my phone
What's the users actual handle then? It isn't "Chadi".
are you talking about chadilao?
account name: chadilao
char name: chadi just searched chadi in chat
I saw his falconer build, and he uses Nest of Nightmare + Traitor, I thought it is 2 x Traitor supposedly?
Btw what relic can I use if I dont have shattered world?
pretty sure I just used an exalted one til i had shattered but I also tried out the cold conversion set up for a while too before I got my shattered so had the uceni sphere or w/e and used bow
That set up in that chadilao build is I think for a focus on umbral blades/stacking shrouds but the weapon choice for DW build isn't really mando being traitors its just a good dagger, high offhand crit, high LP chance and skill points /crit multi
You can use nest or traitor. It’s not mandatory
Ya, in S1/1.5 i used the shred mace
Thanks all
Is chadis build like the updated optimal UB build?
im confused how nest of nightmares is good for umbral doesn't it have specifically melee crit multi and not generic?
well hes getting 9 million damage with it lmao
wonder how fast that would clear uber
There is no updated optimal build. We are just figuring stuff out. Go through and read all the nodes in your skills. Try and think through how they interact with your gear / idols etc. right now there is nothing 100% figured out. Nerfs happened not long ago
its applied on melee hit but it is not melee crit
But ya, idk he may have just not minmaxed weapons yet
so you just use it to cap crit chance?
That was my thought of it initially but I wanted to drop peak while using it
Seems like you can crit cap with that and traitors offhand
what makes the ice version of heartseeker tankier than the fire version?
range
dragonfire proc is melee
icicles are like 3 screens range
its not really tankier vs bosses which is why ragu actually used gathering fury instead
how would UB build would look with talon bow, while not having 2x traitors daggers
Don’t take dagger nodes, take bow nodes pretty much.
Need T7 crit / attack speed on Talon
how do you make heartseeker tankier though, even if im sitting in smoke bomb i can still die in empowered echoes
all the builds ive seen assume you have top tier uniques like the void gloves and the aberroth body armor
they dont say anything about how to survive before you get those uniques
oh i wanna watch
whats arming time on detonating arrow ?
just get more dps
i cruised with like 2200 hp all the way to 500 corruption using a dragonsong
its basically only dps that matters at that point
you dont need any of the tankyness till you start pushing past that
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A65Vzn8o my dps doesnt feel enough in empowered anymore
Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5
Rogue (39) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (54)
▸ Health: 1,470, Regen: 23.32/s
▸ Mana: 111.67, Regen: 10.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 47 Dex / 4 Int / 4 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 108% / 76% / 90% / 86% / 84% / 120% / 119%
▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 294
▸ Dodge Chance: 25% (785)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 14% (344)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 34%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 106%
Hail of Arrows / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker / Decoy / Shift
Okay so im confused skills that dont scale with attack speed directly still scale with frenzy's buff?
you need a 1lp dragonsong with t7 crit hybrid
thats like the #1 most important part
then you just need to get a lot more dex
Even synch strikes animation seems to speed up w/ frenzy effect
the crit hybrid isnt dropping though
I wonder if I can get close to 30 seconds with giga gear and with non L gameplay
use havocs
make a lootiflter rule for every bow with a t7 mod and an open prefix, and another rule for every bow with a t7 mod and crit hybrid
and just havoc those till you get a 1mod t7
to start
you can drop frailty on neck and get useful mods like crit multi and fire pen, a single idol with health+frailty is enough to max it out HS hits a ton
your gloves are kinda worthless
sync strike is an attack
so it goes faster with frenzy
only things like dancing strikes or cascade with the node dont scale with as
are you talking about the "deadeye" mod
its really hard to get the fire version of pearls of the swine to drop though
and i cant find good gloves, i keep getting exalted ones with minion affixes and other junk on it
you can just use any exalted neck
you are over capped on res anyway
and dont have null to use that yet
its weird, cause AA animation seems to scale with frenzy as well but not with any specific attack speed type
i thought pearls of the swine was used for resists
your lowest resist is 96%
more like 76% actually and i have to use a lot of idols for resists :(
okay then the planner you linked is slightly off
maybe it is set to max
if you link the actual character its easier
instead of medium
did you click the "actual" tab?
the planner you linked isn't even verified
there is no actual tab
it is on max yeah, but there is no checkmark in the top right
not sure what checkmark you are looking for
whats that for?
to let people who arn't you use the actual tab
i dont see any checkmark box for me to tick though, strange
yeah idk how LET works
i think its an account thing
but it doesn't really matter for your gear level
you have a ton of stuff that can be replaced
oh also get yourself a peak of the mountain as soon as you get crit on your bow
its super easy to get 1 or 2l p
and get dex and health
or maybe dex and crit avoidance
when does tier 3 dungeon unlock? or do i need to do tier 2 first?
i keep finding exalted gloves like this
I feel like rare gloves with dex and health are better than your gloves
unless you really value swiftness for some reason
gloves can have hybrid health suffix even
someone told me i need 2k hp before doig empowered but that seems hard to get...
try empowered and see how it goes
get health and dex on gloves, swap your black sun blessing to void res, and use more health idols
empowered has better blessings (min roll is better than top roll normal), you will manage
you will be over 2k hp
i tried empowered and kept dying when fighting some enemies
if you feel like its too much can always go back
but if you can handle it you will get stronger with better blessigns, better items and exp gains
its like a snowball effect
okay then 😦
its not consistent, like i killed a whole bunch of exiled mages then died to another one, not sure why
everything happens too fast for me to see
and i dont have good reflexes either
ohhh
i just noticed your skill tree
swap it to this
the burning daggers really arn't worth it
hmm, but i cant convert puncture to fire right? that seems like a huge downside
doesn't matter
this isnt' even really a fire build long term
once you get decent gear it does more cold than fire
even with dragonsong
also i prefer smokebomb as a movement skill to shift especially if you arn't using shift to scale armor (with shurikens)
and im not 100% sure what you are using hail of arrows for
I'll be honest, the +armor for an entire skill slot feels so horrible for marksman
it applies armor shred, fraility, crit vulnerability and dusk shroud
heartseeker also does all of those though
Nice dude
yeah it's redundant
will go lower when my gear gets better ❤️
I think i have seen a pure hail of arrows build that uses HS as mana battery
im not 100% sure how it works
but my build advice so far was for a more HS focused build
because thats much more effective at low gear
Flat phys, attack speed, or multi for UB Bow (Talon)?
The flat phys wouldn’t?
Crit chance applies
ah
Oh dang ur right
but that is increased not flat
yeee
and crit multi is way more effecient than increased becuase its a more multiplier and increased damage will be addative with duskshroud stacks
you dont attack
the falcon throws them for you
and if you did attack, you would need throwing attackspeed not bow attackspeed
it reduces the CD on AA when you crit
This is my current setup: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olaLrVOA
And this is "best I can possibly get in somewhat sane amount of time and luck": https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owwlWP9o
Any adjustment's anyone can suggest?
:white_check_mark: This character build is verified
Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3
Rogue (35) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (60) / Falconer (10)
▸ Health: 2,003, Regen: 44.25/s
▸ Mana: 160.66, Regen: 8.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 108%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 39 Dex / 1 Int / 11 Att / 48 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 211% / 54% / 108% / 86% / 116% / 126%
▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 701
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (625)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (952)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%
Shift / Puncture / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker / Shurikens
Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3
Rogue (40) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (65)
▸ Health: 2,499, Regen: 43.52/s
▸ Mana: 175.96, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 131%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 9 Str / 126 Dex / 9 Int / 21 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 90% / 146% / 100% / 92% / 117% / 92% / 97%
▸ Endurance: 49%, Threshold: 500
▸ Dodge Chance: 63% (2872)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,148)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 106%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%
Shift / Puncture / Smoke Bomb / Heartseeker / Shurikens
I see lots of setups people post here with over 200% resists. Try to get them as close as possible to 75 to realocate the extra slots with something else useful
is there any secret to getting the pure umbral build to ramp faster?
whats the most important thing to craft on peak of the mountain for a heartseeker build?
just wanted to show the tech I'm using (nothing new, just improvement over what's already out there imo)
I add a sepulcher in between two nodes (idk if the rewards of it were fixed for imprints but I figured what the hell)
otherwise it's 3 reweaving 2 troves
I don't seem to be dropping in amber count personally
any help on how to regen mana using ballistas? i just run out so fast
yes, the sepulcher spawns 5 chests inside even if the surrounding maps don't have "echo rewards" (aka reweaving)
you can add a sixth low cost map on the empty node if you want, like all those "a reward for a great acolyte" or whatever that nobody uses if you want 6 chests inside (which I should do at some point tbh)
what should be my prio on traitors slam?
thanks
Why is there a marksman passive to proc "rain" of arrows? Is that the only occurrence of that "skill"? Would be neat if it were "hail" of arrows so the passive would actually be worth something.
How do i play the umbral blades build
Is there a skill rotation or can i press all the skills at once
Im confused
you press all the buttons at once all the time while you are trying to deal damage 🙂
you got it 🙂
Yes
if you really want to optimize, I am sure there is a proper order... but in all reality it does not matter
the only real consideration is where you are placing your smokes, since they also add to the dps you to
a skill rotation in MY arpg???
UB / DB should be doing enough DPS to kill almost everything while mapping. AA when you need nukes
Should I take that double t7 attr or roll further?
whats the point of bow stats on umbral blade? like what does bow attack speed do
wat
do you know the umbral blade build?
do you understand "bow" tags on skills?
generic "make u attack faster" is an answer that tells me you don't know much
I can imagine it being there because of a specific node on falcon. However, I do not know the build you are going for. Not providing info and saying someone "doesn't know much" when they don't answer your question is plain rude.
Ah, well, I looked at falconry again and it says "highest" among throwing, bow and melee on the node I was thinking of. Must be another reason if you're following a guide.
see you know what you're talking about
he was rude first - but whatever
turns out yeah it was the build I was looking at, the fire traps get converted to bow type. So that's why attack speed is useful there!
my friend. you follow a build guide. saying i dont know much.
you work your question horribly with no context maybe you cant speak english.
I was never rude, why would I be rude to someone clearly less intelligent than me
Damn, there goes escalation my man
Seeing mention of explosive traps immediately makes me want to go back to playing my favorite rogue build - int stacking explosive trap/flask (+ staff for fire pen). So fun.
my maskman build is definitely the
to play. just pure lightning dmg and having everything around you die in echoes is so satisfying
I have seen people do melee detonating arrow + explosive traps. Is your build a similar idea?
Yeah that is an awesome build
but if you go melee you can go full ward build and never die
ghost maker dagger i think its called gives you ward on kill. youd be stacking 10k ward easily
ranged is better for uber. but i am farming him on melee so both are fine
oh, interesting, I never thought to do that.
On the pile of builds to play it goes. T-T
+its really off meta now. so if you play MG you can easily buy the daggers needed for it 3lp or more for cheap
and fyi you can either run double jelkors or 1 jel and 1 ghost maker
Exactly what I was thinking
is this useful at all on any build just curious
Rerroling a different 3lp talons
ty
Does this effect have a limit? I'm at 140 dex. Will it really create 7 blades?
No limit. Razorfall busted
That + midnight aviary + featherfall were the primary reasons rogue was so busted and had the bug fix. Plus all the cooldown shenanigans
3LP traitor with +1 dex = pain
Damn. Nice
thoughts on gaining dusk shroud on melee attack that hits on null potent
So do I need to put aerial assault on a particular part of the action bar
or something?
Or is it a differnet skill
Won’t keep up with other sources. Not worth it
got it. ty
any recommendations for weaver tree changes? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnDbxR0o
:white_check_mark: This character build is verified
Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3
Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (10) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (59)
▸ Health: 2,538, Regen: 46.8/s
▸ Mana: 239.51, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 13/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 234 Dex / 26 Int / 26 Att / 38 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 80% / 80% / 91% / 171% / 98% / 103%
▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 508
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2747)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,135)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 16%
i kind of neglected it since i threw red ring in there
it does, sec
dive bomb and falconry dont proc this so u cant have either on slot 1
what about having smoke bomb on slot 1
Does smoke bomb being on slot 1 mess it up?
Mess what up?
The coordinated fate thing
am i missing out on something if I put smoke bomb on slot 1
You could have it in slot 4, but then it wouldn’t be in slot 3 so yeah. It’s tough
...
What’s a way you could test this in game?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Voidy_McKnightFace/character/Umbral_McBladesFace DEX > throwing dmg on my nihilis right
u can test it ingame and see ur hud if u get silver shroud stacks or not
itll be super obvious ingame
it should give it
yes
whats the boss kill build now?
Anyone know how chronostasis interacts with extra shadows? Will it chunk Ward even more or do they gain benefit from it without eating ward? Sincerely a sentinel player trying to cook their own build off a handful of drops
whats the most important thing to craft onto peak of the mountain for a heartseeker build
is this thing useful
as a leveling item at least
but if you are doing fire heartseeker you want dragonsong
damn it its useless
dex
is inheritance better than nihilis if you dont have shattered ?
I tried chad's umbral idols build and it seems fine. it's only 5sec slower than my old sync+bleed falconer build from juse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pow8TNn9Kn0
Thats a lot of armor shred
yeah still searching for a good double t7 for my lp3 daggers sitting on my storage
Do you prefer shed over flat?
not really that's just my old gear before the flat dmg became popular. I just followed juse's advice that pen and shred is a safe option for lp2
https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor
can see based on shred stacks on boss. Anything above 150-200 is basically hugely useless
This is stacks not % chance
marksmen in shambles
which stat should i craft on 1lp bbc for shadow daggers lethal mirage?
The Maxroll standard Umbral guide tells to prio armor over dodge for defensive. Is that correct? I'm in doubt on the blessing I take, between dodge rating and 200+ armor.
depends what content you are doing
i find armor tends to be nice in lower corruptions where it actually keeps you alive, especially combined with shift+shuriken to give you a ton of armor, but at high corruption i prefer dodge
guys i got question cuz im trying to see what build i should commit to i have the this bot and quiver and i also have these daggers
I dont know what to spec the last spell should it be syncronise , unbrall blade, or traps?
im currently trying to kill uber aberoth
it was a drop from the nemesis
as for the skills what should i do cuz im a little confused https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qd9Z5bKB
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Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5
Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (60)
▸ Health: 1,331, Regen: 44.98/s
▸ Mana: 221.79, Regen: 13.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 144 Dex / 12 Int / 12 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 82% / 82% / 67% / 67% / 65% / 91%
▸ Endurance: 22%, Threshold: 266
▸ Dodge Chance: 47% (1607)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (546)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 17%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 17%
ucenui's isn't really doing much for you unless you run umbrals (with cold convert)
with the daggers should i put ubral cold conversion or?
but i use synch strike not traps
or umbral
i just think the relic isn't doing much for you
what should i try to swap it to
you can just use an exalted till you get shattered world
with t7 dex + t5(+) throwing
that should be alright also quick question for my passives because i see a lot of different passive trees is there one that is better than the other or is it player based
your tree looks fine
im not sure why you have the bleedpoison on falcon hit node
but other than that everything seems fine
i did a small change leme see if its updated in last epoch tools i still have nodes that i didnt put points into
i put this one on instead of the ucui (i should swap out the ubrals to sync right)
Game does not want me to get salt the wound so I can play bleed heartseeker
jesus and i thought auroras time glass and a low drop rate that thing is abysmal chance
im thinking about swapping to dagger over bow just cuz its way higher damage potential, and yeah u take 9% increased dmg but everything is one shotting me anyways
im just running a makeshift build for mid tier corruption anyways might as well screw it up some more
oh true i forgot bow is basically 9% less damage taken
yea
and the thing with dagger is its so easy imo to get crit chance
not sure why
oh right
the only thing i like about bow and quiver is
the unique quiv vers suck u can slam 4 amazing stats on purple quiver
I was messing around with UA today, i couldn't get above like 70 or 80 dusk shrouds
easy 140 on a target dummy
but in pratice only 70 or 80
took like 90 ish seconds to kill him on my best attempt
with mostly umbral blades damage
but it felt sooo smooth because i was at cappe dodge chance the entire time
yeah thats hella smooth
thats the tankiest u can get
in high corruption
wanna see my build it looks so bad on paper i think
well if you are constantly moving around you cant really get dusk srhouds that high
maybe with phase point?
theres a stat that gives dusk shroud on melee hit but apparently its too low value
what are you melee hitting with
i mean u could also throw the %HP away and go for it if ur in high corruption
dive bomb is tagged as melee hit
only if you take birds arn't real
and so is falcon strike
actually i think they changed it
but idk if it actually would work with it
those are minion melee hits not melee hits
i kind if wish I understood how birds arn't real worked before
it actually sounds kind of intersting
to use divebomb with your own stats instead of the birds
wait bird arent real makes u use ur stats instead of the birds..
im about to try that right now
not anymore
o
they changed it so it only does that if you dont have a falcon summoned
but you still can do that
i was messing around with it offline and I just couldnt' get the damage very high
there just isnt' a ton of support for it on the falconer tree
i was trying with a spear using that node for flat damage with dex
but its like 1 damage per 10 dex which is just nothing
Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3
Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (25) / Falconer (50)
▸ Health: 3,132, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 138.34, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 175 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 168% / 94% / 104% / 74% / 74% / 79% / 84%
▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 626
▸ Dodge Chance: 58% (2406)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,520)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
cant say i know enough about this game to know if its good or bad by lookgin at it
all i can say is it didn't work
i was looking at that and theres a unique quiver thats related to black arrow and it gives +dodge %dodge but it like has +bow void dmg per stack of shroud
have u ever played around with that?
thats phase point
it uhh gives some dusk shrouds on dodge but seems to have an invisible cap
it might be worth using but its super hard to get a lot of LP on
yea
purple quiver is nice theres definitely a lot of support stats that are useful
armor shred, armor shred effect, blind
idk how stun works but that might be good too
I have way too much armor shred tbh
when playing umbrals
the best one is the more damage to slowed targets quiver
armor shred is good
is the 10% bonus just too broken
is it capped?
it soft caps
but really 150 stacks is like 80% increased and 500 stacks is 85% increased
i wonder how troaka teeth is actually
lower if you have any effect
since u can get a lot of bleed, u can use unceni
yeah i actually dont know how many stacks i applied but im gonan have to fix it
thats onlyh bleed on bow hit
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPZObdvQ this is what i was just playing with
very much not optimal
??
what do you mean
I would have prefered crit multi (prefix) over armor shred (suffix) but i missed the slam
a lot of times
i never hit double prefix on weapon slams
i have done so many 3lps
yeah thats what i meant
im trying to 2LP or even 3 LP my weapon soon i cannot wait to be disappointed
if u could use an offensive ring that wasnt red ring what would u use
orobos is doing 7k no crit killing blows to me im about to swap rings when i fight him atp
Exalted with dex and throwing damage probably
it only needs those 2? no suffix?
Throwing damage adds a lot
i might do it just cuz there isnt a single source of damage that wont one shot me if i get hit against this guy whats the point of more res
or def or anything that isnt dodge
its really annoying, his black holes on the ground can clip thru so u cant even see the full radius and the second u walk into it u get one shot lol
What corruption are you up to
1200
i could increased my void resist to actually benefit from red ring but id rather just get one shot if im not good enough to dodge it ngl
if i slam more defense instead of fighting him better cant hit high corruption
yea i definitely need more dps. takes me a few minutes to kill him
cuz my build is for clearing monos fast and then ig et to orobyss and its not enough
hes just so tanky compared to everything else
That is what is nice about dusk shroud stacking UB though once you get to stand still the DPS skyrockets
80%ish afaik
hmm
honestly i think
not having uberroth relic
is whats stopping me from getting stronger rn
yeah i like that about him
Took me a good 150 attempts to really get it down now it's easy even if my DPS is a little lower. I'm still not good enough at baiting beams to do a 10 min kill though
how fast do u kill the regular one?
Regular Abby?
Haven't tested it in a while before the divebomb nerf I was killing him before the 1st slam
Haven't timed it with UB
What are the odds of this mana to ruin it 👀
50/50
ah ok
i would not do that
i can equip a higher LP talons finally, but i lose 1 point in bomb and add 1 point into aerial
sounds worth it
Yep. 2 attempts, mana ruined it in both 🥲
yeah even if u dont ruin it its still pretty weak imo
or maybe im underestimating flat dodge
Flat dodge not so good because dex gives that already %dodge is better
I'm just testing some stuff and needed the flat dodge if possible, but the game didn't want it to be possible hehe
and the shrouds too right
Idk what build Dan is doing other than dec stacking based on the mod but yeah
When testing dusk shroud stacking on a dummy, i can sometimes get to 130+ but sometimes only like 30-40
Is it server lag? Aerial assault + dive bomb is super inconsistent
It feels like sometimes i get into a “rythm” and things go crazy
would it be that bad if the 2nd suffix on bow was physical damage
does bow damage apply to dive bomb, aerial, falconry, umbral
Don’t quite have enough damage on UB falconer for uberroth following maxroll. Have pretty good gear- I’m wondering if their trees are optimized?
Also rip razor fall next league with capped blades 😦
did they announce something about razorfall next cycle? or are you speculating
They announced it Friday iirc
do you have a link?
ok
i dont watch those
and im not looking through a 3 hour video to find a 30 second mention but good to know
TBH though capping razorfall specifically seems like a really strange way to nerf falconer
unless they are throwing capps on everything in the skill trees and also razorfall
Am i doing something wrong, I just respecced to try out falconer, following the guides point distribution and i cant seem to move to the next column
you need to change your mastery from marksman to falconer
oh, how do i do that?
at the same npc you reset your points at
he also lets (charges you a ton of gold) you choose a new mastery
are you in end of time?
oh no
only the one in end of time does it afaik
forgot that towns in the campaign had those npcs too
yeah i think i was in one of the early zones
Thoughts on new stat prio for Traitors on Umbral Blade falcon? I have 2 3LP with nice rolls and dont want to slam the wrong thing lol. Still flat damage, or are we going more for minion melee?
Anyone got a fun, powerful but interactive rogue build? None of that the game plays itself, one button builds
im doing flame flask/decoy falconer
only use the falcon to throw more of my flasks
I have same thing, but max I got was like 70 during fight. On uber couldnt get more than 50, sometimes during slam I get to shield, sometimes barely below 90%. My gear is kinda poop though, im at 147dex, res capped, but no crit avoidance and 1400 HP...
damn yeah i wonder why
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpyJbYDT3C4 got it back down to 35s I dropped the shroud stacking and went back to sync strike
Probably my hands are weak for UB falconer😆
Do you have a planner? Want to check out ur skills/passives
Mind sharing ur planner?
would i be greedy if i kept waiting for more rings to reroll these attributes
this falconer fix is really painful
2nd lowest MS is more annoying to me than the all resistances tbh
anyone knows how much better is crit strike multiplier better compared to cold damage?
I got my 2nd red ring, put into egg and guess what % elemental damage
look at ur current cold and crit multi %
my current cold damage pen is 9%, increased cold damage is 523%, crit damage multiplier is 282, 80% crit chance
yes I guess? im using icicle HS marksman
i dont rly know that build, sry
oh okay

You need 900% min for multiplier cold damage, 300% min crit damage multiplier and 50% min cc
I'm doing corr 550+ with it
Multiplier cold damage and crit damage multiplier are more important than 80% cc
To be clear, with 131% bow attack speed, 50% cc is enough
This is my case
Weird statement, can you elaborate pls?
less and your pc explodes
wait why do u only need 50% cc?
With 131% bow attack speed you proc so fast that cc is almost permanent like 100%
No joke, but in open map of echo I have some freeze with this speed
ah okay
Attack speed doesn't increase your crit chance really, because the most you can get from crit vuln is 20%
Exact but you proc very fast at 131%
50% cc : Under 2 shots one them is crit
Exactly
50% is non crit
Well, of you add crit vuln to 50% it's 70%, but still 30% is non crit
And it's the same with 50 or 1000 attack speed, that's why I don't see your point in how speed compensates for lacking crit
Ok if you talk about the attack speed, yes maybe we have a cap and we can go lower than 131%
Attack speed doesn't have a cap, crit chance does
But with 56% cc I don't see any différence with 80%cc
How much multi do you have? Around 300-350?
My point is that you don't need 80% or 100% cc if you have a higher attack speed
Yes 360
If you do 100 damage attacks baseline, and do 100 attacks, with 360 multi with 56% crit that's 24560 damage
With 80% that's 30800 damage
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Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5
Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)
▸ Health: 2,145, Regen: 26.4/s
▸ Mana: 258.67, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 220 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 58% / 58% / 58% / 91% / 81% / 83% / 88%
▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 429
▸ Dodge Chance: 57% (2349)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (727)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 19%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%
Hmm ok
I had 100% cc before corr 300, but I was weak everywhere for damage multiplier, so useless. Now I raised all my cc multiplier and low my cc to reach corr 500, maybe now I can try to up my cc
Can this also do high corruption? maybe somewhere like 1000 corr
yes you just need to switch to dodge and chill blessing and just respec sync to umbral. im on 2k corr (used to farm 3k but too many deaths since 1.2.4 last patch)
Razorfall and a Legendary
Talons of Valor with Crit Chance and Bow Attack Speed are crucial for the build.
Anyone tell me why they're required for UB Falconer? I have the bow with Crit Damage on it and the boots, wondering if i can still use the build
Well take a look at both of the items and you will see many things that sound good for your skills. therefore they are crucial.
anyone wanna help me get the dragonsong bow
how rare is a 3lp reign of winter
Very rare. Very very rare.
anyone tried falconfist build this season?
yo quick question guys what should i try to put on traitors tunge is flat damage good or should try to roll a different affix https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR2e6Ezo
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Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5
Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (60)
▸ Health: 1,502, Regen: 58.67/s
▸ Mana: 182.53, Regen: 13.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 135 Dex / 12 Int / 12 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 49% / 49% / 67% / 67% / 65% / 91%
▸ Endurance: 22%, Threshold: 300
▸ Dodge Chance: 45% (1533)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (546)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 17%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 22%
from offline testing for a synch strike build I think i found t7 crit multi with t5 minion phys pen and t5 minion melee damage suffixes was best
but you run out of mana super fast so boss damage isn't that consistant
the t7 flat phys is also still very good
but i owuld run a crit multi mod instead of 2 types of flat
so once i get a better one i should slam crit multi
also why are you using phyiscal penetration with bleeed idols?
and tese 2
well %increased melee damage is not super great
does physical pen not work on bleeds that are physical damage based?
your phyiscal pen doesn't apply to the bird
and you arn't attacking enough to apply many bleeds
well i guess its time to start running some cemetaries
my 1 lp flat damage increase is better than the %increase with minion melee damage right
yes because 30% of 60 is > than 13
but its not much better
for pure divebomb damage
also what should i do about my chest piece should i revert back to null potend?
I use a 1lp t7 hp null for echos and a 1lp t7 dex null for ubberoth
as well as having only 45% dodge i started to feel its not enought i die too manny times
i keep trying to roll 2lp nulls and failing to hit a useful slam
btw I think this is the idol you want
although you can swap the suffix to resist if you want
2 lp null potent
How good is your gear Kezic?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qby3bq3A here is his planner
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Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5
Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)
▸ Health: 2,145, Regen: 26.4/s
▸ Mana: 258.67, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 50%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 220 Dex / 25 Int / 25 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 58% / 58% / 58% / 91% / 81% / 83% / 88%
▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 429
▸ Dodge Chance: 57% (2349)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (727)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 19%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%
His is way better than mine
is that not yours?
its similar but not my character
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Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5
Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (24) / Falconer (56)
▸ Health: 1,469, Regen: 23.2/s
▸ Mana: 270.49, Regen: 8.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 20/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 146 Dex / 10 Int / 10 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 69% / 119% / 83% / 115% / 87% / 78% / 123%
▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 294
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1984)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,614)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 5%
ah i know its the others MB XDDD
oh right because my character is using a talons of valor right now
i was messing with UB
im also at like 216 dex with no dex mod on boots which makes me sad
how do i tell if my heartseeker build is at 100% crit after all modifiers?
but i cant even get 2lp on a razorfall to save my life let alone hit dex
link it
im trying to figure out if i need to stack more crit chance
specifically I never recomended using 2 flat damage types on traitors I was alwas using flat phys + crit multi because it always maths out better (when running synch strike), turns out the reason flat damage was over performing was because it was applying to divebomb twice due ot the featherfall bug
find all the flat crit you have withing your build write it all out add it then go to a calculator and do that times whatever % increased critical strike chance u have
LET has the ability to turn buffs on
and you can kind of do some funny stuff with your equiped weapon to see damage type conditional crit
So I should change to crit multi for 2nd one?
if you are running synch strike yes
thats what my testing says
or really you should swap the 2nd one for minion melee damage
which is a suffix
t7 flat phys + phys pen + minion melee on 3lp
minion melee is also way better now that half of the damage isn't comming from a minion thrown skill
not sure how accurate this is, this doesnt seem to include vulnerability
vulnerability is a flat +20
question kezic what was juse cooking with black arrow u know?
hmm, then how are people hitting 100% crit? https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/xy5r70eb#2 even this one doesnt have 100% crit
this buld has 113% fire crit
where are you seeing the fire crit chance?
you just take bow crit + 7 + (7 * increased crit chance)
its way over 100%
thats all thats important
maxroll doesn't have a good way to show this
yeah fro mdragonsong
on LET i just replace the bow with the exalted itemtype that has base crit
you can use a bow with 4% bow crit implicit + quiver with 3% bow crit implicit to see if you are capped
but i cant (or dont know how) ot edit builds on the maxroll planner
so if i have 281% increased crit, it would be 7% * 2.81 + 7%?
its uhh
7*(1+incrasesed crit chance) is better
its actually the same formula
but just cleaner
so thats a base fire crit of 83.67%, hitting 100% with max crit vulnerability stacks
again if you just linked your character on LET i could show you
ah, its fine, i just did the maths, thanks
i was just wondering if i should keep farming for more lp2 helms to reroll
should be farming for higher LP than 2 on peak of the mountain
its super easy to get 3 or even 4 lp on that
thats weird, isnt it 1 in 24 for lp3?
1 in 24 doesnt seem very common :(
I imagine this has to be a common question but...
for umbral blades/most falconer builds, it says to just spam your aerial assault/dive bomb/falconry on cd.
However I notice that it looks like falcon skills can "cut off" other falcon skills? Ex. if I dive bomb and then immediately falconry it seems to cancel the dive bomb?
So should you spam abilities or time it? Or is falconer so spammy it doesn't matter if some get "cut off"
are you CoF or MG?
with CoF the boss can drop up to 3 uniques per kill and the chance for 3lp goes down to 1/15
wouldn't take very many tries at all
the 2 popular falconry builds are umbral blades (which only needs the first 0.1 seconds of AA animation) or divebomb which uses shadow falcons that dont care if the bird gets cut off
it is very common for that high LP, actually peak is one of the items its reasonable to aim for 4lp, 270 4lp is nothing compared to some items having 1.5k on 2(!) lp
@undone dune ohhh that makes sense. I'm unbral blades, but even that has a lot of shadow falcons. Good to know I'm not crazy that dive bomb will get cut off, but it's accounted for.
dive bomb itself wont get cut off really
the bird will always hit
then the extra hits are from shadows
so they dont care what the bird is doing
ohhh yeah I'm testing it now, if dive bomb is cut off/canceled, it just goes on a very short cd. Which I guess is also why it's better to just spam.
basically the high dps falconer builds are ones that dont care if you spam all skills
because the cooldown reductions from using them in a chain is so much better than using them "tactically"
its not even close
yeah even when I thought dive bomb was getting cancelled spamming made sense to me.
but now that I see a cancelled dive bomb basically has no cd and the shadow falcon thing...it's full spam time lol
im at COF 9
so you have the higher LP chance but not more boss loot (yet)
still its a very easy unique to farm high LP on
maybe i will farm more after i level COF
https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/marksman-dragonsong-master this one uses immolator's oblivion to stack spell damage for dragonfire, is it worth it?
im not sure if igniting yourself will kill you
oh it looks like he uses ashes of mortality to gain ward
i tried with that belt
i was igniting myself way too fast
not nearly enough sustain
if you manage to balance it out though it sound so strong
how do people normally use the belt?
you generally need to be sustaining from leech and not life per hit
because the damage it does is too high
or have way less dot damage taken
i used it on a warlock once
TBH though using it with ashes is interesting
but 2 second cooldown sounds kind of mediocre
what if he uses the orians amulet
and twisted heart (relic) wont do much other than have 20% life and +1 ele skills because you arn't casting an elemental spell yourself ever
also this guy is pretty smart to use spell damage mods on ring/neck because fire or elmenetal damage mods would increase the self ignite damage
he might have figured it out
only change i would make if you want to try that is swap julra's gloves for immortal vise (if you have one)
Anyone got a fun, powerful but interactive rogue build? None of that the game plays itself, one button builds
Should I be spending points in those 2 nodes instead of somewhere else? I see them being use in a lot of planners posted here. Kinda confused
BBoC bladedancer is like that, need to line up your ability usages so that LM is always consuming flow and shift crit chance buffs
top left node should have as many points as you have maximum shadows
midnight arsenal does nothing if you are specced into spinning umbral blades
but its very good otherwise
