🔪┃rogue

[slate mulch]

and took the same damage

[flint turret]

bro just stand in a laser

[slate mulch]

yeah

[flint turret]

okay i see

it doesnt have dot tag afterall

majasa dreams rip

[slate mulch]

seems to just be multiple instances of dmg

[flint turret]

i didnt wanto to use it over dual anyway but it was something i had to confirm

also why did you go with life version instead of ll?

i thought you gonna try ll one

[slate mulch]

since im in offline mode i just wanted to try any buld possible

since its easy to gear up, probably helps people get insight into what works and what doesnt

[night spruce]

how do you want to cap the res with all these legendaries lol

and get all the EHP

tbh i think id rather use ocearon for ring too

Also calamity is not global ignite

that wont work

[flint turret]

much easier than you think it is https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZp0kJ1A

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (61) / Falconer (24)

General:

▸ Health: 3,895, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 126.51, Regen: 14.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 15 Dex / 2 Int / 2 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 200% / 90% / 90% / 104% / 86% / 86% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,363
▸ Dodge Chance: 29% (997)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (603)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 61%

Used skills:

Puncture / Smoke Bomb / Synchronized Strike / Net / Umbral Blades

[slate mulch]

almost killed him

[flint turret]

yeah ur right its on fire hit skill my bad

[night spruce]

I guess 3LP flamewrath should be easy enough

[slate mulch]

this offline character with perfect 2-3 lp slams is like 3x stronger than my online with 2ish suboptimal slams lol

[flint turret]

i have tons of them

[night spruce]

Sir I am coasting around 100 corruption atm

😄

[flint turret]

just cut all lps by one and it will be the same but with 1-1.5k less hp

[night spruce]

i think itll be fine once i cut out the helm

probably Kelthan agent 3lp first

[flint turret]

even 4lp is not taht hard

the most problematic is reen probably

also can replace body with elecoe

16 all res and dot damage

easy 2lp too

[night spruce]

yea ill get there eventually

[violet idol]

I am using falconer with bow quiver.

And recently switched to dual 2lp traitor with t7 c.dmg and slow suffix lol and substituted umbral with synch strike

Was able to destoy uber abby in like 1 minute.

Switched synch strike to umbral and suddenly I am doing lower damage.

Am I stupid and dont get how they work? Since I barely use synch strike to begin with either way.

And yes I do spam falcon bomb assault and smokebomb.

[night spruce]

tbh rainbow edge might be a better option over reen, not sure

as its shock chance works

would be feasible to get 4LP there

Maybe even 2x Rainbow Edge

• Maehlins

[night spruce]

100% shock chance blessing, get

now onto bleed and ignite chances

[slate mulch]

does anyone know how to deal with the aberroth slam near the end

after the 2 harbingers die

when he uses it in the center of the small circle

if i move out its range i get into the black zone

[pearl forge]

you have a little but if room

from right to left

just dont be like me and leave the bowling hall line

near it

and shift into it

[slate mulch]

i see

its opposite end of the circle where he casts teh slam

literally the very tip of it

man is that hard to see

does smoke bomb silver shroud negate the shockwave?

i can swear sometimes i do dodge it

[pearl forge]

you can dodge the initial slam

but the wave thingy hits lots of times

they are netting

tbh it does seem interesting between shadows and sync you get lots of nets

i do find weird no +4 to net anywhere

[flint turret]

Its just a meme

[ebon gale]

This is a dumb question, but what does synchronized strike do in double dagger dive bomb falconer? Is it just a cool down for extra DPS?

[pearl forge]

increase shadow dmg

[twin kindle]

alright people, im working on making my first build, im a new player to this game with the patch and im honestly not sure what im doing, but its working alright i guess. but im lacking survivability and at lvl 83 my shuriken is quoting 135,570 dps. i need help improving my build, could i get a vets help? this is my current build and set up

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Br9Ve6mQ

im using smoke bomb, bird, and shift primarily just for dps buffs and survivability, and ricocheting shurikens as main dps

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (26) / Bladedancer (5) / Falconer (65)

General:

▸ Health: 1,606, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 157.83, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 10%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 35 Dex / 5 Int / 5 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 45% / 97% / 56% / 44% / 35% / 39%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 514
▸ Dodge Chance: 28% (959)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (680)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 25%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Shift / Falconry / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades

[pearl forge]

what is your goal mostly

[twin kindle]

i didnt think that far. i just wanted to run fast and throw knives lol. i guess i want to atleast consistantly and comfortably be able to do all content other than uber

[pearl forge]

you will need some defensives stats then

[twin kindle]

im just not 100% on how to do that without chunking a good bit of my dps. should i be looking for affexis or items? i see a lot of rogues getting a bit of Vitality and using apostles

[slate mulch]

ok i get how to ddoge igt now

[vivid ice]

🥰

[slate mulch]

dang i can very consistently hit his final phase

its just realy hard to see the attacks with all the purple beams

[pearl forge]

yea last phase is annoyingh

i cant get there consistently yet

[slate mulch]

i can imagine the leech from balck blade combos might be too slow and inconsistent

the need to synch strike before hitting to get real dps is the main downside for this shuriken buiild

[bold brook]

ideally you would want Traitor's Tongue in the offhand for the crit, you can convert the rest of shuriken's damage over to lightning from a chest or head affix or the skill tree

[slate mulch]

cannot stay stationary in the tiny areas youre given that arent infected by the purple stuff

[bold brook]

you are also missing the Entry Points node in shurikens, which is a huge damage multiplier

[twin kindle]

even if im not stacking ailments?

[bold brook]

you are getting poison from Liraka

[twin kindle]

guess thats true

[bold brook]

and you have 1 bleed point

another way for bleed would be speccing synchronized strike and getting crimson shroud from it

[twin kindle]

probably switch pathing through the poison

[bold brook]

sync strike also would give you a lot of damage

ideally you want both poison and bleed, as Entry Points gives you damage for having both (its worded weird, but last i checked it gives you more damage on poisoned, and more damage on bleed)

for defense easiest would be getting more health, armor and endurance, and capping resists

you can get a lot of those from blessings (which you dont have any in your planner)

i would also reccomend you get the Ucenui's Sphere relic since you are lightning damage

[twin kindle]

yea figured id leave that epty. would it be best to spec out of lightning and go full raw? or do i get more dps from lightning? also with all my points should i stay going down throw damage and dodge nodes with some glancing blow and hp, for like what... i really have no idea how to get defence to work as i need it too lmao

[bold brook]

i like lightning, it looks cool and theres a lot of flat damage to get from head and chest affixes and fulgurite shard

easy armor increase would be the Dominance of the Tundra helmet, it gives 440 flat armor and a bunch of crit protection as well

i would move points from Final Souvenir and Leog's Strategem and into more defensive nodes, like Evasion Tactics and Stymphalian Feathers

Expediency is another node i would move points from to get more defense

you also have a lot of room for health and resists in your idols

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1eOKd8A this is my lightning shuriken character i made this season

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (19) / Marksman (10) / Falconer (60)

General:

▸ Health: 3,759, Regen: 52/s
▸ Mana: 269.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 41 Dex / 13 Int / 13 Att / 61 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 80% / 94% / 85% / 20% / 81% / 117%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,374
▸ Dodge Chance: 13% (431)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,421)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 44%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 26%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Synchronized Strike / Falconry / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades

[twin kindle]

so essentially with that i can get a good bit of survival out of stacking more tex. it would give dmg as well

[bold brook]

its a Chakram build, but im sure you can do well enough with regular shurikens

[bold brook]

ya dex is good for falconers, easy way for more dex and health is the Steady Hand node in rogue tree

[twin kindle]

yea, i tried the chakram but i didnt like it as much as just a straight line of death lol and it give me more crits for heal. ill give it a look and switch some stuff around. i think i have all the gear to give it an attept

[bold brook]

ya i got my healing from throwing leech from Black Sun blessing instead of health on crit node

[twin kindle]

i dont think i found that one yet

thanks for the help though, im gonna go test this and alter my build. just gonna touch a bunch of stuff. is the chest im using worth it? feels like im only using it for the +2 throw and 8% move. i feel like i could use woven flesh or a base top for more survival

[bold brook]

that chest is good, it gives all resist as well, but its definitely not needed

you could use woven flesh or a good exalt for now if you are struggling for survival, and change after you get better defenses

i recommend having the lightning shuriken chest affix though

[frank phoenix]

Hey everyone. I started with this season and am at around 200 corruption. Currently just kinda blindly going along with what looks good. I'm not sure what to aim for with upgrading now. Any stupid newbie mistakes and easy fixes in this build? And stuff to farm going forward:

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Sethisto/character/Sphinxy

[bold brook]

easy way for more damage on cascade is the Leveraged Momentum node and getting attack speed passive tree nodes

[frank phoenix]

that sounds good. I'll swap something for that then

What would you recommend i drop for those?

[bold brook]

you are also way overcapped on crit for shadow cascade you definitly dont need the Prescision node, and points in Carnage can go into Leveraged Momentum and Careful Assault

4 points in Careful Assault is huge for damage

actually only go 2 points since you dont have the dark allies node in sync strike

[frank phoenix]

will careful assault be an issue with the smoke bomb shadows? It pops out a lot of shadows lol

[bold brook]

if/when you get Dark Allies in sync strike, then put all 4 in careful assault

oh ya it would

ya dont go careful assault if you wanna keep smoke bomb shadows

[frank phoenix]

If it's more damage ill definitely swap it out

Though i might need more mana to handle dark allies since i do run out sometimes

for now dropping carnage and precision for leveraged momentum though?

[bold brook]

thats what i would recommend ya

[frank phoenix]

Alrighty. Ill do that then thanks!

maybe ill spec out of shadows now too. Might as well go all the way. I think they spawn from shift in my build as well

precision does look really good if i can keep it to 4

er

careful assault

[bold brook]

you can still use the shadow and cascade cast from Shift, as it only counts when you are using cascade directly

after using cascade directly with 4 shadows, it "snapshots" the damage bonus from careful assault, and any indirect uses of cascade will get the damage bonus

[frank phoenix]

Oh good. That's useful

[bold brook]

this "snapshot" resets the next time you directly use cascade (if you dont have the specific number of shadows for careful assault)

[frank phoenix]

im guessing i need swift assassin in passive tree for the damage bonus? What should i drop from there for that

[bold brook]

ya swift assassin is huge - you could remove 4 points from Critical Eye and 9 points from Argent Veil to use elsewhere

you only need 1 points in Argent Veil

more stacks of silver shroud just give you more ward, which isn't super useful

[frank phoenix]

Alright ill spec out of those then

[bold brook]

5 points in Flash of Steel is a damage bonus as well

[frank phoenix]

Cool. I swapped those out and got 5 in flash and 8 in swift assassin

does crushing darkness in the cascade tree conflict at all with this scaling? Or is that talking about something else

[bold brook]

no, the only thing crushing darkness limits is the animation speed of cascade

[frank phoenix]

Oh good. That's not a big deal then since it's still super quick

[bold brook]

it still works perfectly with leveraged mementum

indeed

[frank phoenix]

alright. Im going to get some xp then and get the rest of the build. Thanks for the help!

wow. 1 point in leveraged momentum went from 29k dps to 40k haha. very nice

[twin kindle]

my god... i sacrificed a bunch of damage for survivability.... slotted this relic with some crit and some health... 3 attunment 3 intelligance, got entry point and now i just nuke everything. i need more hp and dex but for corruption 100 its way better. thanks for the help! i have a much better idea as to how im going to balance survival and damage

dummy damage went from about 53,000 to 170,000

[vague gorge]

Does shift shadow cascadw build with shadow daggers still work?

[ebon jungle]

Wait thats the only 3LP blood roost in the market?!

That im about to put up?

[vague gorge]

1 in 1100 to get lp3 its rare so not surprised

[slate mulch]

I think for bladedancer on Uber aberroth ailment cleanse is basically mandatory

To survive the last phase

Undodgeable lasers

[twin kindle]

what about my lp 3 apathy maw? sell price high?

[slate mulch]

That stack like 20 frailty instantly

GG

[vivid ice]

price of this gloves is above the limit

[twin kindle]

no joke? gunna go dig in my box and see what stuff i can sell. good find to that guy

[crystal snow]

You know this class is overtuned when you can do this LOL

[topaz agate]

Cool tyvm. Is Ravenous void BIS or Vice?

Also for relic slot should I be using shattered worlds or Ucenei sphere? 🙏🏻

Thanks alot for the advice!

[flint turret]

All of them are good in their own ways

But vise is probably better than ravs in most cases

[ebon jungle]

who bought them 😂

[slate mulch]

alright

i killed uebr aberroth

with shurikens

[undone dune]

what was the final verdict on maja's shield? worth it?

[slate mulch]

no it didnt work

and the damage with the shield was too slow to reasonably kill him with

i recorded the fight and it took around 7 min, it would have taken twice that time i figure with the shield

then again i may be using/building it work too

the fight was pretty tough but i unironically think uber lilith in d4 season 1 was much harder

that nonsense took me like a week to do

does anyone know how long the shadow cascade uber aberroth fight took?

[undone dune]

#🔪┃rogue message

thats the guy who killed it with a video

seems t obe roughly 8 mins

[slate mulch]

ok the builds look fairly similar in performance then

[undone dune]

his gear was insaely good though

[slate mulch]

yeah for sure, i took a look and it was nuts

i actually generated the offline build using that level of gear as a approximation lol

also i had no idea laser pathing could be made determined

[undone dune]

the lasers in the final phase are repeats of every laser cast in the fight so far

so if you bait every laser in the first 3 phases to the same spot they only strike there in the last phaes

[slate mulch]

wow okay, thansk for letting me know

i was tanking 360 degree lasers the entirety of that last phase lol

[undone dune]

its a lot easier said than done

[topaz agate]

yeah i kinda like Vice too. feels very tanky, and easier to get 1LP over ravenous void

anyone has tips to improve my heartseeker tree

-dragonsong fire variation

[undone dune]

i dont think those 2 points in frenzy are doing anything for you

can move them to attackspeed

same with that point in base crit

[topaz agate]

ahhhh okay got it ill do that tyvm

my crit is like 75% now

should i put more into crit?

i use the crit chance blessing though over the crit multiplier

[undone dune]

arn't you dragonsong?

[topaz agate]

ya im dragonsong

[undone dune]

then you are crit cappe

due to the 4-7% fire crit mod

[topaz agate]

oh why?

[undone dune]

it doen's tshow on character sheet

[topaz agate]

when i open character sheet i dont see

[undone dune]

you wont

[undone dune]

but thats assuming your base crit is like 5% lower than it is

because it doesn't have "critical strike chance with fire spells and attacks" listed

[topaz agate]

oh okay, so how do i calculate this then 😭

i wanna swap the crit chance blessing to the crit multiplier one ideally

[undone dune]

there is a bow with a 4% crit chance implicit

you can use that to estimate

[topaz agate]

talons of valor

[undone dune]

no

just like a basetype

that has 4% as the implicit

if you get one of those with t7 crit mod you can use that to guess

link your character on LE tools ill show you

[topaz agate]

ohhh okay got it

sorry noob question: how do i link it

[undone dune]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/

[topaz agate]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Luurch/character/Heartseeker

thanks gopt it!

[undone dune]

i swapped your bow from dragonsong to the obsidian bow basetype

and it shows you are at 98% bow crit

and thats with a 4% bow crit strike chance implicit

if your dragonsong has more than 4% you are over the cap

[topaz agate]

wow you are amazing. thanks for the help!

[undone dune]

thats the fasest way I know to check the crit cap

[topaz agate]

really appreciate it. thats a very cool way of checking

my dragonsong is at 6%

just went to check

but i have the blessing crit chance

i have to swap it out first

[undone dune]

you can swap the blessing in the build planner too

[topaz agate]

ty kezic

[undone dune]

napkin math says with crit multi blessign you are at like 93% crit chance

[topaz agate]

btw do u swap bow to reign of winter when doing single target boss fight?

[topaz agate]

oh okay thats great!!

[undone dune]

i just always use it so i can be farther away

[topaz agate]

cause you said you were also dreagonsong build right?

so just swapping the bow for reign of winter when fighting e.g oryboss / harbingers

[undone dune]

i tried to be a dragonsong build

i have a lot of failed dragonsong crafts

never hit doulbe prefix on a 3lp slam

eventually swapped to fire based RoW

for range

every single dragonsong in this screenshot is a 3lp athat hit 2x suffixes on the slam

[topaz agate]

ahhhh i feel you man. had the same happen to me with traitors tongue, always double suffix

[topaz agate]

oh nice fire based RoW, so do you take "Controlled Icicle" insead of "Molten Arrowstorm" +"Dragonfang" ?

[undone dune]

no

thats the point

its still dragonfang for the +80 flat fire

and you cant convert dragonfang to col dwith controlled icicle that node does nothing if you have the fire convert

actually I hsould test if frozen splinter converts to 1% fire pen per 10% overcappd fire res....

[topaz agate]

oh right you have a point. its CHOOSE 1

[undone dune]

because i know the acid flask node does this

[topaz agate]

yeah the overcapped cold resistance makes sense. stacking cold resist seems really strong here

[undone dune]

someone else in this channel was playing actual cold res HS

and their dps was way higher than mine

with just dragonfang supporting RoW

but they had insanely good gear

ok so the acid flask node converts when you convert acid flask....

what are the chances this converts to fire

although res stacking in general is not easy in a mourningforst build

it doesn't really matter which one you go for

[outer perch]

Playing COF Umbral Blades offline, just starting out, anyone got a handy loot filter?

The Maxroll one is not great

[topaz agate]

i like how your tab is called "Broken Dreams" LOL

[royal nimbus]

Falconer, Traitor's Tongue build OR Talon's of Valor build?

Which do you prefer?

[outer perch]

I honestly don't know, think it'll be awhile before I get an LP talons with the crit chance hybrid

[undone dune]

toungues better for uberoth talon's better for echos

is my preference anyway

[royal nimbus]

Is Talon better for echoes because it's more ranged?

I'm new to the class and have only played the dagger variant

[undone dune]

its different builds

tongues is a divebomb build that doens't even spec umbral blades

the way i played it anyway

talons has way more aoe clear

because the build actually cares about umbral blades daamage

[royal nimbus]

ahh

that makes sense

valor of talons is a more common drop than tongues

[tribal hearth]

hey guys! what monolith timeline should i grind to get fulgurite shard dagger?

[topaz agate]

@undone dune may i ask what you would use for Heartseeker?

[undone dune]

i would probably use vise some people dont like using uberoth gear before they kill it with that character

so tis not i na lot of builds

ravenous isn't that great if you dont cap your endurance %

[topaz agate]

i kinda like Vice too since it has that +16 dex on it

[undone dune]

you can also use a 3lp blood roost with high dex/res because it has extra dex

[topaz agate]

oh right, the tankiness of Vice is nice though

i dont enjoy getting 1 shot by elites ><

for belt options would you use Brewmaster or Eloceos Innovation?

[undone dune]

jungle queen also an option

if you just go full dodge

but yeah

those are the good ones

[topaz agate]

ah yes forgot about the jungle queen, i have a T7 CDR slam on it and %hp which is pretty pog actually

totally forgetting can use falconer gear for heartseeker

tempting to go full dodge.

the blessing from Spirits of Fire - the one with Fire Shred, feels too good to pass up

can potentially swap it for dodge chance blessing

[vague gorge]

Which build would make great use of a 4lp kestrel?

[midnight zealot]

heartseeker can, ballista, then probably shatter strike as a mage

for heartseeker you would go for a full dodge build tho while playing kestrel

[vague gorge]

How good is HS clear?

[midnight zealot]

really good clear if you can kill one trash first

but clear is strong in general

you shouldn't have any problem before corruption 1.000

[vague gorge]

Aight ty

[violet idol]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Br9ddgyQ

Currently can beat uber abby 1 - 1:30 minutes at most. Still missing slams on amulet and dex on red ring.

I am not sure whether if I need to slam t7 crit dmg / minion damage / armor shred / armor pen on my amulet o_o

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (70)

General:

▸ Health: 2,896, Regen: 26.81/s
▸ Mana: 282.88, Regen: 12.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 166 Dex / 22 Int / 22 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 115% / 69% / 76% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 579
▸ Dodge Chance: 53% (2068)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,822)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 20%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 104%

Used skills:

Falconry / Dive Bomb / Aerial Assault / Synchronized Strike / Smoke Bomb

[undone dune]

if you are using nihils you want throwing damage

if you are looking to roll an inheritance of erased it opens up morestats like crit multi/phys pen

[midnight zealot]

you're missing 26 dex still yeah

reaching 200 will increase your dps by alot again

[outer perch]

Has anyone done uberoth with a ballista falconer? Umbral is just a bit too hectic as I don't use AHK but am enjoying rogue so keen to try take him down with another build

[flint turret]

If you don't play anything than mm - I'd say no

[topaz agate]

wait what do you mean? haha

[flint turret]

I mean to get vise you need to kill Uber. If you play only mm it's not that easy without ravs

Even with ravs it's not easy at all

I'm talking about non mg and non mastery swap route

[flint turret]

Post planner pls I wanna see LPs on gear

7min sounds quite low, can drop out some damage more or less easily

Lirakas swap to ravs maybe

[topaz agate]

Just checking, are you guys having an easier time clearing echos with Reign of Winter or Dragonsong?

The issue I have with Dragonsong is I got to be in melee range so I tend to get slammed 1 hit KO by alot of stuff I can't see

Might be skill issue I don't know

[flint turret]

Row ofc

[topaz agate]

For belt slot what do you run Ragu?

[flint turret]

Dragonsong is only decent for boss killing, even tho I'd still prefer row

Brew to cap endurance, even tho there are plenty of good options

[topaz agate]

Do I just need belt to cap endurance ?

[flint turret]

Belt+blessing

[topaz agate]

Oh I thought it was the other way around lol

[flint turret]

Nope, dragonsong is only superior in scenarios when you are hitting all proc, it offers lot less clear because of it + less puncture damage

[topaz agate]

I see. Okay time to make the swap to ROW

1 LP only though 😢

[thin quartz]

2lps RoW are easy to farm.

[topaz agate]

Just spam Heorot and egg reign of winters with 1LP?

[thin quartz]

that or harbinger woven

[topaz agate]

Oh I didn't think of this ty!

[thin quartz]

look at the base implicit then look at the sealed affix. lol

[flint turret]

I'd still use 1lp row over 2-3lp dragonsong for clearing. For bosses depends more on your playstyle

But converted to fire for clear either way

[topaz agate]

u mean use the convert node to Fire on heartseeker tree even with ROW?

[undone dune]

yes

if you dont have a ton of cold res to get cold pen with converting to fire and using dragonfangs for +80 flat is still more damage

[flint turret]

It won't be 80 always but 50-60 is still decent for puncture

If you don't use lots of cold pen idols that is

[thin quartz]

i need help understanding this. why use row and convert to fire.

[flint turret]

Flat for puncture

Better clear

Single target is the same

Sometimes fire even wins

[thin quartz]

im zooming at 1k corruption and there was never any issue with puncture like.. AT ALL thru out my entire character life time

[flint turret]

Either its for ward retention with shackles or for cold penetration with hs, or both

[topaz agate]

i see. for the blessings should we take cold res from Heorot, or the one that shreds cold resistance then?

if running ROW for example

[flint turret]

Weird argument but okay. Might have said I'm zooming at 100 corr with 1k hp and I'm not dying as well

[undone dune]

how much cold res do you have with the blessing and mourningforst

[topaz agate]

this is my cold res now, but i have the cold res blessing

[undone dune]

i would stick to fire

[topaz agate]

so -70% would be around 118% without blessing

[undone dune]

but thats higher than I expected

[thin quartz]

i said thru out my entire character life time. are you dense to miss that part out?

[undone dune]

and then swap teh blessing to like %armor or something

or cold shred if you want

[flint turret]

I missed a part where having more damage is bad

[topaz agate]

okay so in my case i shouldnt swap to Controlled Icicle with 118% cold res?

[undone dune]

theres a node in heartseeker that gives cold pen for over capped cold res

[undone dune]

just take all 3 of those point sout if you are going fire

[topaz agate]

i wanted to try cold today, cause i got tired of dying in melee range constantly

always getting 1 HIT KO

[undone dune]

yeah

[topaz agate]

got so tilted

[undone dune]

you play RoW

from far away

but you dont play it cold

[topaz agate]

right i think i understand where you are coming from. i still want cold res capped, and cold pen idols right?

[thin quartz]

nono. you're not missing anything. you need to get off your high horse and stop trying to sound like 200000IQ player and again, lemme remind you. you're no king you have no crown on your head. nobody died and made you king. remember that

[topaz agate]

i went to swap idols to try get more cold resist + cold penetrations

[thin quartz]

look at you making this statement. jesus

[undone dune]

ohh thats how your cold res is so high

i see

[topaz agate]

yeah i swapped to cold resist idols to get my cold resist up

[flint turret]

Seriously bro? That's the best you could come up with against getting more damage on puncture for free? I'm kinda disappointed

[undone dune]

you still do more cold than fire

with that setup

[thin quartz]

aint nobody your bro.

[undone dune]

you have like 140 bow fire damage, and like 50+dex (180?) bow cold damage

so cold pen is still good just not as high value

[flint turret]

I wasn't talking to you, we discussed that build a lot with @night spruce

[thin quartz]

when you made that statement, i straight up spit down on you.

that's not "discussion"

this is NOT discussion

[topaz agate]

so i can keep using the normal idols instead of swapping fully to cold resist / cold pen ya?

[undone dune]

yeah tahts what I do

[flint turret]

Bro, are you obsessed with me or smth? Chill

[undone dune]

i just use the recurve idol

and the damage with while wielding a bow idols

[thin quartz]

you? nah, im calling you out for your behavior.

[undone dune]

if you have a ton of cold res and cold pen that other build probably ends up being a tiny bit higher dps

but it seems super gear dependant

[flint turret]

Its not me who says "I straight up spit down on you" bro

[topaz agate]

gotcha that helps!

[topaz agate]

i think i get u. so i go back to the Fire node for heartseeker and dont take the ice one ya?

[thin quartz]

seems like you have selective reading syndrome too under all that.

[undone dune]

thats what I would try first

RoW has more bow damage and a longer proc range than dragonsong so it feels better to clear from farther away

[topaz agate]

yeah it feels really good

i love the range playstyle

melee playstyle made me so tilted

[undone dune]

melee playstyle is so good untill you start getting constantly 1 shot though

you just zoom

[topaz agate]

yeah getting 1 shot by some off screen laser

that really sucks

[flint turret]

So let me get this straight, discussing a build in a friendly maner with a guy who I talk a lot about builds and optimizing weird stuff = bad behavior because you failed to understand sarcasm neither you read the further discussion = bad behavior.
Saying "I straight up spit on you" or diagnosing someone with disorders(you might be a doctor, and that might be your professional take, even tho unlikely) when you simply don't like something someone is suggesting without making any counter arguments = good behavior

[thin quartz]

thereby i declare, move on.

[flint turret]

Why tho? All damage matters, especially when it doesn't cost you anything

I tried it for a single target, it's not getting worse at all

Its just straight up more damage for puncture and umbrals

Why bother with 1k if you can play at 100. Seriously guys what's wrong with you

[topaz agate]

for single target do you still use RoW?

does feel a little slower compared to Dragon

[undone dune]

i dont bother swapping

unless i have to

didn't manage to kill uber with either though i got skillchecked in the timless sanctum and cant slam for shit

only thing I really wouldn't like ot do with RoW is the 10way harb fight

[topaz agate]

gotcha, ty for sharing

[flint turret]

Boss damage is at least the same, with fire row winning over cold row for me

Its couple of seconds faster on Abby on average

But I'm not using cold pen idols like I said. If you are heavily invested in cold pen it would be different

[flint turret]

Its possible even with terrible slam luck using low lp gear and common uniques. Even tho it would take a lot of practice

[undone dune]

well it sucks to do

and its kinda just not fun to try to bash my head against the wall when i know how much stronger i would be if I managed to hit a useful slam

[flint turret]

I find it more interesting to "bash my head against" Uber Abby rather than legendary system

But I see your point

[undone dune]

yeah but it turns out that the conspiracy theorists think i wasn't geting unlucky the legendary systme is just broken

and if you use a creation on a exalted you dont actually get 2 chances to roll the corrected affixes on your unique

[flint turret]

I failed 17 2lp slams consecutively so I know yeah

[undone dune]

i failed 10 consecutive 3lp slams

its so rough

it should be a 50/50

[flint turret]

Its 33% to 3/3 no?

[undone dune]

you choose 1 mod, you always get 1 prefix and 1 suffix

the last mod is 50/50

[flint turret]

Ah, you mean you missed second prefixes all the times?

[undone dune]

because i only care about hitting the 2nd prefix not getting the exact 3 mods you want

yes

10 in a row with no second prefix

[flint turret]

Rough, I feel ya

I haven't gotten 2 pref row either, I went with fury for uber

The best I got was crit shred, which is basically the same as 1lp

[undone dune]

i feel like i might be better off doing uber with pure ZHP

nothing is survivable anyway

just go in with -160 cold and phys res and like 1500 hp

and see if i can find extra dps stats somewhere

[flint turret]

Most of things are survivable actually

With a few exceptions

[undone dune]

feels like most things are survivable like 75% of the time but thats not enough consistancy for a 10 min fight

sometimes the auto attack just kills me

not often

but sometimes i just die and it says it did like 5k damage

[flint turret]

It never did for me, it's an ehp issue

Unless paired with something else like flying scythe

[undone dune]

yeah but i would hae more EHP if i could hit slams on chest/gloves

but i just missed those too

[flint turret]

Hard to miss t7 hybrid on ravs or vise

[undone dune]

so i just give up

if i dont have dex on gloves i lose red ring DR

so i was rolling 2lp vise trying to get t7 dex + t5 hybrid

[flint turret]

That's weird how you are so low on stats

[undone dune]

i could fix it by swapping belt to buckle

i guess

or swapping to t7 dex on phase point

but i like the attackspeed

[flint turret]

Phase is not that good at bossing

[undone dune]

hmm

i htought you had it in your kill

[flint turret]

Troaka or sanguine is better

I had exalted

[undone dune]

i could just swap to exalted spidersilk

[flint turret]

That's awesome too

[undone dune]

oh its boots

i have no dex on boots

becuase mourning frost hates me and im addicted to movespeed

but i cant hit double prefix there either and ran out of double exalted boots to havoc

[flint turret]

You don't really need movespeed for uber

Dex+res or hp

Cdr works too

[undone dune]

movespeed is so nice

[flint turret]

Its nice, but you are either standing or evading most of the time anyway

[hallow fiber]

Woven potential roll actually works 🙂

[undone dune]

cant miss the slam on that

[hallow fiber]

What's surprising is that all the LP3 and 4 i had so far came from LP1 items, not LP2 or LP3...

[thin quartz]

the hunt for RoW lp3 is blowing my mind

[pearl forge]

dont worry i have had 0 black blades

with 3lp

thx god MG

but still idk

i just wish fading brink gave eyes

with how hard it is

[vivid ice]

Daaaam :DDD nice geometric pattern

[thin quartz]

take a guess where the centre node is

[vivid ice]

Far from it! 😄

[vivid ice]

spend all my gold for this shattered worlds and Im fking done with merchants 😛 time to move into true endgaming guild

[thin quartz]

you gonna make a new character?

[vivid ice]

nope, just switch guilds

[wary cedar]

why did you buy that one then anyway?

afaik you cant equip it when you swap factions no?

[pearl forge]

likely he will do another character

that is cof

[wary cedar]

he just said he 's just swtichen guildes

[pearl forge]

tbh doing early mg then chaging to cof with millions

[wary cedar]

what do you want with gold as cof? xd

[pearl forge]

arbor

it is very good to get runes

[wary cedar]

nah thats time waste and scam

never got anything from that

[pearl forge]

the rune prophecies are k but nothing like getting 30 havocs on a good rng

[wary cedar]

i get more from just running echos

[pearl forge]

idk i use havocs a lot

[thin quartz]

but you cant equip anything you bought from MG if you switch to CoF

[pearl forge]

mostly to make money but also to try and craft bases tos slam

maybe he wants to farm his own shattered worlds 1lp

for next char

[thin quartz]

i have a small feeling he doesnt know this.

[wary cedar]

most likly this

[vivid ice]

Kill me 😵

[midnight zealot]

that's why i stopped at lp2s, try to get lp3s on mg x)

thre is nothing up to sell now that the league is older

you would have to do a fresh start ahah

but yeah, cof is definitely better for endgame farming

[vivid ice]

People learn from their mistakes. In season 3 I'm starting directly with COF ;). THANKS buddies you told me this in right moment 😄

[midnight zealot]

to be honest i think i'll do the same

cause now thats hard to do the step back x)

[thin quartz]

CoF is only better if you love your build and you want to min max the hell out of it. which is what im currently going for.
HS is a 1 button, auto aim, full screen clear, fast mobility build with decent damage. not broken, just decent.

[midnight zealot]

HS does have good clear, but single target is low as f ngl

and this is my favorite skill atm

[thin quartz]

wth are you comparing it too?

[midnight zealot]

why do you all have to ask for comparison, i'm not comapring it to anything, we shouldn't have too, that's an infinite scaling endgame, but past a certain point you wont deal enough damage to kill bosses that are alone (by that i mean it will take a crazy amount of time), what's the point to have an infinite scaling endgame if past 1.500 corruption or 2k whatever you want, your skills wont have enough dmg to kill these mobs

[thin quartz]

how can you not have a baseline data and say something is not doing enough damage?

[midnight zealot]

we dont really need a baseline when we can increase the mobs health infinitely but nothing's able to kill mobs at some points

they should just cap the corruption if that's the case

[thin quartz]

given your logic of infinite scaling endgame damage, then ES / falconer has low damage as well, isnt it?

okay, lemme use your logic in the exact same sentence you made. okay?

"ES/falconer does have a good clear, but single target is low as f ngl.
because there's an infinite scaling endgame but past a certain point you wont deal enough damage to kill bosses that are alone (by that i mean it will take a crazy amount of time), what's the point to have an infinite scaling endgame if past 3000 corruption or 5k whatever you want, your skills wont have enough dmg to kill these mobs."

that is literally your logic. that's so weird

[midnight zealot]

you're just using my words against me and english isn't my first language so i might saying things wrong, but now let's say the corruption is capped at 2000 or even 1500, and we can kill bosses at 1500/2000 whatever, right there i wouldn't be able to say that we need more dmg on single target since we would be able to go for the corruption cap, and we would have as you are saying a baseline of skills that are able to reach that cap in order to buff other skills/classes/masteries to get to that cap too even if they would need good gears etc, and from that they could nerf or buff what's needed to get in there in more or less time

even if the cap is 5.000 corruption it would still be the same

buff masteries/classes/skills for these to being able to reach the corruption cap even if they would need a shit ton of gear

[thin quartz]

getting very very weird. i'll keep it real simple.

[midnight zealot]

cause right now the game is literally push as far as you can there is no limit, but most builds are very limited so good luck finding ways to do it, and there is no really points of doing that, almost every hack & slash have an endgame where the difficulty is capped at certain point, and not by any builds, but by the game conception itself

[flint turret]

Uber Abby is a boss you are not supposed to be able to farm at all. Arguably he's roughly at 1200-1500 corr boss strength in terms of damage, so I think it's safe to assume that skills/masteries are not designed to climb over 1500, and everything that does it more or less easily is a big outliner lined up for nerf

[thin quartz]

why do you think hs single target is damage low??

[flint turret]

Uber Abby is supposed to be that cap. And no one is going to buff everything to make it easy, at least that's my understanding of devs statements. They wanna keep it as a big challenge for 1% of 1%

[midnight zealot]

then why not capping corruption at 1.5k ?

[flint turret]

Because they need those metrics

How would you know if something is broken if everyone is at the same corr. Now they have uber Abby as an additional single target dps metric along with mono clear

Can't say they were using it enough tho

[midnight zealot]

i mean uber abby is more than enough to see if smething is way too broken dont you think ? x)

[flint turret]

Not really

[midnight zealot]

we dont really need to see if something is able to go long way after the cap of corruption to see it

[thin quartz]

why do you think hs single target is damage low??

[flint turret]

Its a glorified dummy for a single target damage while high corr monos are bit different

[midnight zealot]

why are you still on that, i tried to answer you already, but you are here saying that you're always right, so go on

[thin quartz]

HUH?

you made a statement and now you're crying victim that "im always right" ?!

omg. you're..... nevermind, understandable, have a nice day.

[wide oar]

🍿

[midnight zealot]

idk, for me we can see if a build is broken even before trying to go for uber aberroth ngl

[flint turret]

I'm not arguing this, it's all about how easy it is to collect data

[wide oar]

You can "see it" through intuition? Because a gut feeling is not a metric that can be tracked, unlike data

[flint turret]

They made it clear they are monitoring Uber Abby kills closely, which wasn't ever a thing for high corr monos or high arenas(at least to my knowledge)

Because falconer was pushing 10k corr every season and no one cared

[thin quartz]

excuse me sir, i am always right. listen to me.

[flint turret]

But now when he kills Uber in 30s they suddenly made a Reddit post and said they care

So I guess that's a shift in a right direction

[midnight zealot]

having a cap would be a good baseline too so they would have something to aim at when balancing stuff

[flint turret]

How?

[midnight zealot]

cause right now they definitely not balanced things thinking at how it will perform against uber abby, since most of the builds are not even capable of doing it

[flint turret]

If you cut everything above certain threshold you are basically destroying your data gathering capabilities

[midnight zealot]

ok, but then they should aim for higher corruption than 300

cause atm this is what they are using

to see if classes are balanced or not

[flint turret]

I think this statement is already outdated

After Uber Abby was introduced

Any build that was able to clear 300-500 was capable of regular Abby more or less

And still is

[midnight zealot]

idk, as we all saw there are not alot of builds capable to do uber abby, and most of them are either using snapshots, or are using bugs

so maybe they haven't balanced stuff for it in season 2 and it will be done for season 3

[flint turret]

But with 1lp guaranteed slam, turtle, new runes, the baseline power level went up a lot

New idols too

[flint turret]

As we all saw, all masteries are capable of doing it. The ones who do it x100-1000 times more are just an outliners

[midnight zealot]

all amsteries yeah, but at what cost ?

[flint turret]

Even bd that was on the lowest kill count has at least 3 builds that can kill it

Probably more, just no one plays them

[flint turret]

At the exactly expected cost of being overfarmed

[midnight zealot]

primalists are snapshoting, mage are using frost wall bug to increase there dps by 350%, sentinels are either way too tanky or deal an absurd amount of dmg as the falconner do, acolytes are snapshoting

of course there are some builds that are not using bugs or snapshots, but there isn't alot tbh

[flint turret]

That's why we already saw devs saying they are getting rid of snapshotting, and they are not happy about falconers and sentinels

[midnight zealot]

yeah, and that's normal and fair

but then we would have like 5 builds able to do it ?

maybe a lil more

[flint turret]

One bd has at least 3

[midnight zealot]

when we should be able to do it with almost every skill, even if some would need bis gear to do it

yeah, you're right but you got what i meant

[flint turret]

Actually not really

[flint turret]

I kinda do agree with this statement more or less, but it's a lifelong task

Because we have umbral blades... And let's say... Cinder

Its just not gonna happen with cinder

[midnight zealot]

try to do it with runemasters without bugs, same with primalists, try to do it without snapshots, warlock and lich can do it without bugs, sentinel is way too tanky and it will be addressed, sorcerer might be able to do it with lightning blast if bis gear atm ok, then falconner will still be able to do it even nerfed i'm pretty sure cause they wont take it from 100 to 0 in one patch but yeah

as you said bd might have 3 builds

but still it's not much

compared to all the skills available

[flint turret]

3 builds that were confirmed as Uber viable*

It doesn't mean there are no others no one plays or invests enough

Same for mm. Everyone is just playing hs. No one even tries something different for uber

Can't blame them, I love hs myself too, best skill ever

[midnight zealot]

i tried with detonating arrow and multishot

both of these where hard nerf, it's near impossible to no say it

hail of harrows haven't tested it cause it felt to slow for me, but i dont see it being able to get uber abby down atm to be honest

[flint turret]

Well we know about 40+ Uber Abby mm kills, hopefully not all were hs

[midnight zealot]

not saying they were, but i'm pretty sure they are x)

[flint turret]

Can't say much about it, I haven't seriously tested other possibilities

[midnight zealot]

i tried alot of builds offline, and the only one were i was able to get uber abby down as a mm was heartseeker

maybe there is ways to do it with some other skills, but still haven't been able to find anything about that

[flint turret]

Have you tried trap-flask-da-hs ravager?

[midnight zealot]

yeah, but too much mana problems to solves atm

since they nerfed the tree for trap

now we have a huge mana cost

[flint turret]

What mana problems? You use t7 throw rings and 0manaxost da

[midnight zealot]

yes

T7 on both rings

[flint turret]

Don't max thrown out traps then

[midnight zealot]

but they changed some nodes so mana cost is way higher

it's still fine to clear monos

but when you're not killing things

it's hard to get enough mana back

so at single target you're oom alot

[flint turret]

I don't really see how it's possible if you don't overindest in manacost increase

[midnight zealot]

i even tried it with daggers

[topaz agate]

do i need 1 point in this node if playing ROW heartseeker to chill?

[flint turret]

If you want to chill with it

I liked it coupled with slow to keep champions/nasty rares away. Even tho I swapped to fire conversion for dragon fang stacks later

[midnight zealot]

before there was no flat mana cost to trap sprinkler, mana cost was reduced by 40% with subtle sabotage against 20% now, and jelkhor's blueprint had 4 levels for 32% mana efficiency, now it has 3 for 24% efficiency

[slate mulch]

Marksman looks much smoother to fight uber aberroth than blade dancer

I’m realizing a lot of BD builds need synch strike which makes evading really clunky

[midnight zealot]

so when you add up everything, you'll lose alot more mana when throwing traps, maybe there is things you could do for that, i jsut didn't find any that helped me in a single target situation

but if you find something, let me know

[slate mulch]

I think I’ll try to see if it’s possible to do it with lethal mirage and then dancing strikes lol

[flint turret]

i know but you dont really need 3\3 sprinkler. its 8 baseline+3 from trapas+2 from sprinkler as a more or less baseline. 13 mana without evem mana eff nodes

can get 1\2 clustered, mana eff nodes and rings -10

should be fine

[midnight zealot]

imma try, let me log offline

[flint turret]

in DA you take mana arrow for - manacost if you dont want jelks

flasks should be free too with -10 rings

[midnight zealot]

flask and da were at 0 mana cost yeah

[flint turret]

you can also gain tons of mana back if you need to with this +sapping strikes

with manual flasks or whatever

maybe even with manual hs

because it will also be 0 manacost

and it can give some mana on recurves too

[ornate wing]

hey everyone. I'm on the precipice of getting my 2nd lvl100 sentinel and I dont think I'm any closer to beating uberroth so I was thinking of doing umbral falconer after this. From what I can see on videos, it seems that falconer is very intensive on button pressing. Is there a way to make this easier? I dont really want to go mashing on all 5 buttons during any sort of encounters

[flint turret]

rough

[flint turret]

1\2 clustered?

[midnight zealot]

yeah

[flint turret]

can you sustain it?

[midnight zealot]

hardly in single

[flint turret]

i guess drop out clustered then

[midnight zealot]

but i need to work on the build eitherway if i want to try it online cause my dps is still low atm

[flint turret]

get dragonsong, get lightning bomb in traps, get mourningfrost

[midnight zealot]

but yeah mana is hard to sustain

[flint turret]

how

iys literally 3 manacost

2 even

[midnight zealot]

idk it's weird, sometimes it's ok, sometimes i'm in negative instant

[flint turret]

sounds weird indeed

[topaz agate]

ragu u mind sharing your build?

[flint turret]

which one? i had like 20+ planners for hs alone

[haughty kite]

No offence but why did you think it would go better on the same class, no mather how hard you hit ur head to the wall the outcome is still pain

[ornate wing]

Sorry, I'm lost. Are you asking why I made 2 sentinels?

First one I made was ES VK. Its doing really good except I'm too bad with uber abberoth

So I thought of trying it with judgment paladin. After changing masteries, I realized I really like playing the game as ES VK so I started a new sentinel with the intention of having one for doing 99.9% of the content, and the other one for doing uber aberroth

I already have a lv97 ballista falconer so I'm just thinking of changing it to umbral falconer

[flint turret]

planner?

your manacost is somehow 10+

[midnight zealot]

yeah 14 when throwing it

[flint turret]

are you still using clustered?

[midnight zealot]

1/2 atm

losing too much dmg without it

[flint turret]

get to 0

wothout mana you are doing 0 damage anyway

damage is not the best on the video

i expected more probably

maybe it should become ignire build dunno

wait

where is hs

[midnight zealot]

i'm not using hs atm

[flint turret]

why

[midnight zealot]

i'm trying to build around traps only to see if i can do something with it

[flint turret]

so how adding damage to them with hs is not an option then?

[midnight zealot]

you're casting both ?

[flint turret]

autocasted with helm

ravager

[midnight zealot]

humm it was bugged so i haven't tested it back

[flint turret]

also did you use mourningfrost here?

[midnight zealot]

is it patched ?

yes

[flint turret]

mow much dex?

[midnight zealot]

100

[flint turret]

not that much but not low either

hmmm

remove clustered, get ravager, get dragonfangs in hs, get smoke bomb with smoke blades, repeat

or keep clustered and sometimes manually cast hs to regain mana with passives

[midnight zealot]

dmg are still low ahah

but good to know that ravager's dart was patched

[flint turret]

Oh well

Maybe worth trying with dot but I'm not sure

[midnight zealot]

idk, atm that's weak as f

i mean you would still do 1k corruption easily

but dmg is still low

[flint turret]

throw speed on rings can help

[midnight zealot]

yeah that's for sure

but i have 2 rr atm on it

[topaz agate]

just dropped a 2LP ROW.

should i keep using the 1LP over the 2LP one?

stats on the 1LP seems higher

[midnight zealot]

yeah flat is huge on dmg

wait till you are able to roll it

for better stats

[topaz agate]

the +48 flat bow cold damage is huge?

okay will use the 1LP one

stashing this for now

[terse bloom]

https://youtu.be/4tNPRMfkeFc?si=YKfdNp8q_9DaPUzJ

tanky 2 ballista falconer

[topaz agate]

how do i hit crit cap with RoW?

at 73% now

[grand yoke]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVqqgxdo
Could somebody please advise what can I improve next? i feel like the damage is kinda lacking. i know about red rings but im 700k favor deep and no rings

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 90

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (20) / Marksman (22) / Falconer (61)

General:

▸ Health: 2,823, Regen: 36.82/s
▸ Mana: 242.16, Regen: 9.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 151 Dex / 6 Int / 6 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 93% / 80% / 80% / 98% / 76% / 79% / 74%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 565
▸ Dodge Chance: 42% (1428)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,177)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 88%

Used skills:

Falconry / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades / Dive Bomb

[boreal walrus]

[violet idol]

1. this is good actually. But switch to:

• crit dmg blessing
• dodge rating blessing on armor

2. not sure if you are considering this:

• dual wield traitor tongue at least 2lp with t7 crit dmg with shred/blind
• umbral blades to synch strike

I switched from bow/quiver to dual traitor and umbral to synch strike then suddenly im killing uber abby at 1m ~ 1m30s.

My planner: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKmmGWnB literally with empty slam nihilis. Only difference is that I have red ring, but our dex is almost the same anyway.

[grand yoke]

i will try farming the daggers, why blind though? and crit multi? wouldnt flat dmg be better

also what relic to use if on daggers? i cant kill uber yet so no shattered worlds

[violet idol]

The sphere is good enough. I think I was using that as well for my first kill. And you can even do it with a good exalt and base with t7 dex.

Blind if you dont reach 100% crit avoidance yet.

Not sure about flat dmg as I haven't tested it yet. Did not bother since I am contented with sub 1min.

[grand yoke]

about the sphere - i just re-read the stats

in my head the orbs when on hit with a bow

not just a hit

[astral stag]

Anyone know what to put the extra 6 points to umbral blades from Juse's Midnight aviary build into?

[violet idol]

Then maybe you should switch out sphere into something else. Maybe the one with crit implicit, and t7 dex. Then maybe some HP or crit multi.

[hallow fiber]

You're only missing 7 points, don't forget the 20 pts from the passives.
I capped my rogue using Crit avoidance base items and one affix if my memory is good.

[valid trench]

how is mapping on daggers UB falc? Been playing the maxroll one with talon bow

[grand yoke]

what is the point of synchronized strike? i feel like im missing something

just for debuffs?

[raw sundial]

Wudjio has a guide on YouTube he is hc so got a little tank to the build… I’m lvl 65 and junk gear and shredding 75 mono and it’s fun feel like I can do 90’s 👍

[night spruce]

lets try this shit

okay not as good as weaver's gift

warrantd experimentation

[ebon gale]

For the dive bomb bossing build, what's a good alternative to the weaver ammy if all I have are terrible ones? Just go exalted?

COF

[night spruce]

yeah

can also go uhh

the new phys amulet

pearls of the swine

[robust carbon]

any tips, tricks and hints for a Shadow Dagger Build? Kinda torn which skill to use to apply them

[heavy jewel]

anyone went all in on the void dmg side of lethal mirage?

[dull sequoia]

yo guys what is better on imprinting the base you want with almost all the stats you want and 1 t7 or a multi exalt that isnt the base we need rn

[slate mulch]

do you guys think uber aberroth is even possible on dancing strikes bleed

actually ill just try with offline gear

i wonder if the weaver sword that increases ailment duration is good

[tender goblet]

I know killing regular aberroth isn't a brag, but he goes down damn fast on this divebomb build. Need some gear upgrades for uber.

[slate mulch]

does armor shred work with bleed?

or is it simply on hit damage

[tender goblet]

I scale dive bomb it with hit damage (armor shred does not work for dot), especially from the amount of umbral blades on the ground

[slate mulch]

darn i see

[smoky depot]

when i swap to shattered worls on umbral falconer do i swap umbral from cold?

[bold mortar]

Huh I'm only level 84 but I have two daggers with 120flat and 13crit shattered worlds and 3lp helm but damage isn't even enough for regular Abby. Must have missed something somewhere

[pearl forge]

might want to check on dex if you are falconer with razorfall

[bold mortar]

only 152 rn but i feel like regular abby should be going down

[pearl forge]

maybe you lack cdr idk

[bold mortar]

t7 belt and boots

[undone dune]

Might need to link your character but in general are you standing inside stacked smoke bombs to keep your shadow blades stacks up

Your gear sounds correct but it might be spec or playstyle

[bold mortar]

current char is pretty bad but dam seems worse than expected. if you could peak thatd be dope. https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/evolveeh/character/zhp

no idols yet just slapped it together

[wanton sable]

Anyone playing bleed stun falconer? I have questions about mana.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olk8z5zB
I run out of mana so quick and don't ramp at all sometimes

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (22) / Bladedancer (15) / Marksman (18) / Falconer (58)

General:

▸ Health: 1,501, Regen: 42.2/s
▸ Mana: 130.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 184 Dex / 15 Int / 15 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 36% / 36% / 36% / 36% / 73% / 51% / 56%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 300
▸ Dodge Chance: 74% (4642)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (506)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 21%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 31%

Used skills:

Falconry / Dive Bomb / Aerial Assault / Smoke Bomb / Synchronized Strike

[vernal swift]

One suggestion would he going into blade storm on the umbral blades you haven’t specked into that whatsoever

[vernal swift]

And also no points I’m the explosions nodes the cold damage isn’t as important as having blade storm
And having them explode especially with razor fall

You want them to stay there and do damage

[pearl forge]

ok got to last phase again

tomorrow more maybe

but i really want to do cleanse on belt

and maybe core of the mountain

[gentle saffron]

Hey Rogues! 🙂

I'm a fairly newbie Rogue and I've played Heartseeker up to level 85 but frankly I'm getting a bit tired of it and I want something with more AoE oriented damage (or perhaps it's a skill issue on my behalf?).

Is Multishot better in that regard(I assume so)? It seems kinda cool and reminds me of the Diablo 2 Amazon, based on the few videos I've seen, but is it stronger than Heartseeker?

Also Falconer seems like a cool AoE clearspeed mastery, so is that worth looking into this season, or should I stick to Marksman? Any suggestions?

[wanton sable]

Umbral blade falconer does great AOE

[gentle saffron]

Yeah I'm looking at Falconer right now at "lastepochtools" site, but I cannot find any up to date guide for season 2, hmm.

[wanton sable]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/umbral-blades-falconer-guide This one is good for umbral blades falconer

[gentle saffron]

Oooh nice thank you! 🙂

[rose matrix]

Max Is it a bird? in Falconry, Avian Hunter and Twilight Strike in AA and Smoke Blades in Smoke Bomb. There is also free dex in BD and Marksman trees. And max Skiasynthesis in BD tree.

[frank phoenix]

I just got to abberoth. Unfortunately everything 1 shots me lol. Any way to get a bit tankier with this setup?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Sethisto/character/Sphinxy

I don't want to blow all my eyes just getting 1 shotted

[undone dune]

hey i had to go for a bit sorry this is delayed. a few notes:

You are specced exposed weakness in the falconry tree, this does nothing because you arn't using any melee or bow attacks, you generally only take this node if you are running the synch strike variant for extra boss dps

your dex is pretty low for using the daggers build, i generally recommend bows till you hit about 160 without quiver

you really want throwing damage on at least belt or gloves (ideally both) its a huge scalar to the falcons overall damage due to both the passive tree and the umbral blades from AA snipping all of the Avian Arsenal

also im not sure your inheritance is good enough to be worth it

any neck with t7 flat throwing might be better for now

[bold mortar]

Yeah it's definitely not. Also need to get new red rings and slam dex on relic. Throwing damage I'll prioritize next

Exposed weakness doesn't work with a procced umbral? I'll drop that then

[violet idol]

There's a node I think in aerial or divebomb that makes them repeat cast or prioritize shadows or something.

So what happens is you spam smokebomb and position your synch strike near the boss.

Then you will see birds raining like there's no tomorrow

[undone dune]

no exposed weakness is on use not on hit so it wont work on proc

Avian arsenal procs are from falconer's mark which is an on hit mechanic so it works with triggered skills

subtle difference

Also you can just use exalted rings with t7dex + t5 throwing damage for now

red rings with 1lp are no longer really farmable in a reasonable time like they were first 2 weeks of the season due to imprint nerfs

[verbal pier]

it proc

[undone dune]

?

[verbal pier]

exposed weakness can get stacks from umrbal ( aerial )

you can test it on dummy or if want to make sure scissor of altropos and aerial umbral it consumed stack of kismet even it said “ when use”

[undone dune]

thats different mechanics entirely

scissors is just bugged

and says "on use" but it is actualy on hit

this is why shadow daggers consumes it

every other mechanic in the game that says "on use" requires you to actually cast the spell yourself

[verbal pier]

even it doesnt hit, it still consumed the buff

[undone dune]

thats not what on use means

you wont gain mana from sapping strikes when the bird throws umbral blades either

becuase its not "used" by you

its a trigger

[verbal pier]

yes because the skill u used have mana cost

[undone dune]

but umbral blades dont

and its getting thrown by the bird

and causing hits

which would consume scissor

[verbal pier]

you can try scissor

even it doesnt hit any it still consumed the buff and for exposed weakness you can try on dummy but remove midnight aviary first, it still in crease ur critical multi

[undone dune]

I am well aware that scissor is bugged

[verbal pier]

the critical dmg u dealt increased

[undone dune]

i said this here

#🔪┃rogue message

it doesn't do what it says it does

it also says crit chance in one place crit multi in another

the item is just a mess

and it the buff gets consumed whenever you use or hit with a throwing attack

and it doesn't always even apply

[verbal pier]

check this

without using aerial to proc exposed weakness

1. Non Crit = 268836
2. Crit = 878420

after using aerial umbral to proc exposed weakness

1. Non Crit = 269512
2. Crit = 1185663

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYsuFM2xkN0

[undone dune]

You aren't scaling from exposed weakness you are scaling from avian arsenal

Oh you don't have it the points were elsewhere I just saw all spent

I can only tell you that if it works which I'm fairly sure it doesn't that would be a pretty major bug

Because the wording is very clear

I think the more likely situation is the falcon snapshotted your old spec when you changed it tbh there's a ton of jank around that

[verbal pier]

maybee

I want to ask about suffix “ minion melee and bow dmg “ I have +30 Minion Melee and bow but when I equip it on stats it said + 44 melee, still dunno what source that give +14 minion melee come from

[undone dune]

Does it stay 0 with other weapons equiped?

[verbal pier]

it stay 0, but when u equip +30 minion melee it should be +30 but in reality its +44

[undone dune]

Right but just equip some random dagger and see if it randomly jumps to 14

[verbal pier]

it doesnt

[undone dune]

🤔

and you dont have any points in this? not that it could get to 14

[verbal pier]

no passive

I respec all

[undone dune]

wait no passives at all

wow

[verbal pier]

yesss

want me to record?

no passive no skill

[undone dune]

no i believe you

im just going through the checklist

well you cant have 0 passives you are getting 15 dex from somewhere

[verbal pier]

I still dunno too where it come from, from falconer mastery its + 12 and from quest its +1 all attribute

[undone dune]

well you get +1 falcon melee damage per 4 dex

but that is only falcon damage

so it shouldn't apply to the general minions tab

so you think you are getting 3 dex from some ghost?

I would honestly relogg and see if something snappshotted

[verbal pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_vyCoude0w

already relog or test it on other character too

its still same

[undone dune]

thats so strange

i have no clue why that is happening

[verbal pier]

yeahh in its already since first day LE release Im curious where it come from

it always increased 45% from affix flat

like if I put +55 Minion Melee its become 80 on stats

[undone dune]

i wonder if the minion panel is including some sort of global buff into that damage

[cobalt mantle]

Is it maybe calculating minion power into that?

[undone dune]

but he has no gear equiped

where is he getting it

[verbal pier]

no gear, no passive and no skill too

[cobalt mantle]

Minion power is from level

[undone dune]

ohh

do minions just gain 0.5% global damage per character level?

because that would do it

[cobalt mantle]

Something like that yes

I don't remember exact numbers

[undone dune]

ohhh

[undone dune]

last epoch tools says it right here

i completely forgot about this mechanic

[verbal pier]

ohhh I see yeahh thanks for answering

[undone dune]

because its so minor/free

[verbal pier]

but it only flat that got 45%😭

[undone dune]

on the charcter sheet anyway

[cobalt mantle]

Aha, interesting it shows up on flat instead of the increase

[undone dune]

but this makes sense because that means it multiplies with other modifiers

[verbal pier]

yeahh the minion power only for flat I think

but its huge

[undone dune]

i still dont understand ohw you have 16 dex and not 13

unless rogue just like starts with 3 dex

[cobalt mantle]

She does, yeah

[undone dune]

where is this listed

[verbal pier]

Ive been test it too for falconer divebomb

best affix on weapon is

+Minion melee

• Pen
• Crit Multi
• Flat melee

[undone dune]

this does make sense

[cobalt mantle]

TunkLab has it, though I guess you can also make a fresh rogue to check, too https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/class/rogue

[undone dune]

the other advantage +flat melee has is shadowdaggers damage

but this is minor/non-existant if you spec synch strike

its nice for aoe clearing echos though

[verbal pier]

yesss, and if for bossing if its flat melee use sync strike u need at least have 4 stacks avian arsnal so it will be higher than minion melee

[undone dune]

there is no (reliable) way to make avian arsenal not trigger off throwing hits

the umbrals are far too common

just have to live with it scalling off of htat

if only falcon mark wasn't consumed

[verbal pier]

yess only on first 10sec u can gurantee stacks from melee ( sync strike ) after this its random

[undone dune]

i see

but even then only 1 stack

i thought synch strike was mostly for +200% shadow damage

and triggering exposed weakness

[verbal pier]

shadow can consumed marks, shadow dagger from sync strike can consumed marks too

[undone dune]

yeah but its so much RNG

the average mark lasts like 0.1 seconds for me

before some other random proc usses it

[verbal pier]

yess for first 10 sec its like guarantee 4 mark consumed, after this its random either its throwing or melee that consumed mark

thats why minion melee and pen BIS for dual dagger divebomb

T7 Minion Melee + T7/T6 Pen + T5 Flat

[slate mulch]

ok in offline mode i made some kind of ultra juiced bleed dancing strikes rogue

it does more damage to uber aberroth than shurikens lol

[undone dune]

how does dodging feel with dancing strikes?

[slate mulch]

not amazing but its not going to be worse than having to synch strike before every hit

[undone dune]

fair enough

[slate mulch]

both are clunky delays in having to move imo

i wish LE had more bleed pop mechanics

[undone dune]

the 0 attakspeed scaling is always what scared me off from dancing strikes

[slate mulch]

yeah being limited to the slow attack speed feels not great

i wonder if flurry or puncture would just be better

althougfh dancing strrikes has good multis for dot in its tree

[undone dune]

flurry is such a bait

flurry has a total of what 30% bleed damage + 30% phys pen with bleed?

[slate mulch]

i figure theres a reason why ive never seen a flurry build online

[undone dune]

bleed scales with %damage on a skills tree right

flurry has none

[slate mulch]

rip

[undone dune]

oh it has 1 node

for 60%

[daring yew]

has anyone actually utilized this in a build

[undone dune]

i saw ragu post a meme marksman charkram build that uses that item

but i have never seen a character actually made with it being useful

[daring yew]

figured

[eager mason]

SMK uses it to generate mana for explosive trap

and it is used for hail of arrows duration

[graceful hare]

Made a char with this 2-3 days ago, focussing on throwing stuff with a Marksman here. Mainly use Cinder Strike to proc Daggers and let HS passively support it for more Daggers.
Its mememish, but fun so far. Only up to 200c yet but even missing standard blessings for now.

[daring yew]

nice

[graceful hare]

Before S2 powercreep we would have said about such builds "it's fine to do all content" 🙂

[undone dune]

well they made new harder content

i still enjoy my jank builds that can clear like 300c and can kill (normal) abberoth

[graceful hare]

I don't even see that single boss that is like 10 times harder as the rest of the game as content. 😄
He feels so isolated from the rest of the game, that I can ignore him completly 🤷‍♂️

But that's a matter of taste I guess

[pseudo phoenix]

short and sweet aberroth kill with a somewhat novel setup

[slate mulch]

How much tank do those 5+ min marksman uberroth kills get?

As bladedancer it feels like portent and red rings are like mandatory

[flint turret]

Have you tried lowlife shuri setup on Uber?

[keen trench]

I am working on this with a dragon song / cinder strike build. So the Heartseeker has a dragonsong buff that gives at max 80 throwing, bow and Spell fire damage. Then using dragon song with cinderstrike allows for you to deal 3 kinds of Attack at the same time! Alternatively, I also tried Using blast rain/flask setup, which seems to deal more damage mainly from the flasks, but really hard to sustain the mana cost

[wide oar]

HoA uses it but no1 is playing HoA

[true chasm]

Hey! Is there anyone that can provide me planner or guide to speedfarm UA as falconer

[keen snow]

UB falconer build on maxroll is using double red rings and i just realized how rare those are in this game lol

probably equivalent to dropping headhunters in poe?

[true chasm]

playing CoF it's way easier to drop

[south fog]

Hello I wanted to Ask. I have Shadow dagger build with 226 dex, I could try reach 228 so I could replace My helm (16dex) t5 and 100% Shadow skills dmg,for 8 dex and t7 240% shadow dmg skills, because I would have 220dex breakpoint for razorfall. Does it is worth? Bassicialy 140shad damage or 8dex , I'm playing sync strike

[south fog]

Not that rare :p

[balmy grail]

Heartseeker is good build??

[graceful hare]

It's a skill, not a build. But yes, the overall public feedback seems positive

[balmy grail]

Heartseeker marksman

[graceful hare]

Sure, you can play Heartseeker only on Marksman 🙂

[undone dune]

there are many different builds that use heartseeker

you have to be more specific

many of them are good

[graceful hare]

General rule of thumb for LE: For the better skills you usually find some build diversity 😄

[wary cedar]

no its a build >:(

[graceful hare]

Yes sure...

[balmy grail]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/heartseeker-marksman-guide

[wary cedar]

no\

[topaz agate]

oh right, totally forgot about the passive tree giving additional 20% crit chance. it does take awhile to stack though

[topaz agate]

this build sucks? i started off with this, but based on help from this channel have moved to a new ROW Puncture version

[wary cedar]

nah build is okayish

Is use dragonsong

[undone dune]

I actually think its a good starting point

dragonstong significantly outperformes RoW in low corruption where nothing should really be able to kill you