🔪┃rogue

[flint turret]

There is no such thing as dagger damage

[undone dune]

but its not melee damage

[soft mauve]

Pepega

[flint turret]

Its global

[undone dune]

its just damage

[flint turret]

It increases even spell damage

[soft mauve]

theres no "dagger damage" staaaap

[undone dune]

i was told "damage while wielding a bow" does not work

by you

[soft mauve]

"increased damage" is not "damage" its an increase

you guys are funny ngl

[flint turret]

For what? Quote me on that

[soft mauve]

both trolling and both cannot see that you are both trolling thats peak

[flint turret]

Exactly

[undone dune]

i hate this node

[flint turret]

And damage while welding a dagger increases melee, throwing, bow and spell at the same time

Same as a bow

Or sword or whatever

[undone dune]

so the node does go 50% to the bird?

from teh dagger mod

you just cant use %phys

[flint turret]

Yay we got it

[undone dune]

there really has to be a better way to describe these interactions on these nodes

[flint turret]

%phys can be transferred using different tech but in this context it doesn't matter

[undone dune]

i feel like last time i had this conversatoin in this channel i was told hte opposite thing

[flint turret]

True, just delete the falconer and it would fix a lot

[undone dune]

and htat conditional global damage for some reason doesn't go to the falcon

[flint turret]

Well if you are using a bow and damage while welding a dagger then ofc it wouldn't

Because it just doesn't work at all

[undone dune]

if only we could just look in game at our minions stats

and see what is actually applying

[flint turret]

You can look at your damage increases

It has melee, bow, throwing %, etc

[undone dune]

idk ive been asking this all day

[flint turret]

Wrong mono maybe?

[undone dune]

i know im in the right mono because I found 1 echo that had them

and it had exactly 2

because they were the patrolling objective

stolen lance

[flint turret]

If that was a quest to kill them that doesn't mean that's a right mono

[undone dune]

but i cant get an echo to spawn with them as an enemy type to save my life

well according to frozen sentials crazy google doc

im in the right timeline

[flint turret]

Quests are universal to all monos, while enemy presets aren't

[undone dune]

99% sure you cant get a quest to kill patrolling void horros outside of black sun

i havn't seen that a single time this season

[wanton sable]

What is currently the best falconer build all around? Clears echoes fast and can do uber abby?
I'm currently using maxroll guide UB

[flint turret]

You can get quests to kill anything in any mono afaik

[undone dune]

maxroll UB is a good starting point for doing echos

doing uber abby might take some refinement

[flint turret]

Or maybe they fixed the quests now since they remade them

[undone dune]

i think the quests are not global this season

[flint turret]

Hmmm

[undone dune]

they are also super rare now

[flint turret]

I think Ive met a couple of quests to kill fire skeleton mages in heorot timeline which shouldn't be a thing

If they are restricted too

[undone dune]

this is what the spreadsheet says for siege golem btw @copper rapids

[thin quartz]

Winter timeline has them as well.

[wanton sable]

Is there a specific build I should hunt items for to do uber abby?
I see Juses videos and they change all the time. Looks like umbral blades isn't the best for single target and divebomb is? But Idk what build to follow. Is there any that do well in both uber aby and echo speeding or do you have to keep swapping out gear when you wanna do uber abb?

[flint turret]

Link pls

[undone dune]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/copy?usp=sharing

i think thats the right link?

its funny because it forces you to make your own coppy

[undone dune]

its mostly the same but you swap your weapons and like 10 total skill points to get a bit more dps

[wanton sable]

Thanks! Do you happen to have a link to the build you recommend swapping back and forth to?

[undone dune]

uhh

i never saw a build guide for the talons setup, other poeple had a LE tools build for it but i dont have it saved

the maxrol guide gets you most of the way there

just make sure you highlight traitors tongue in your lootfilter

[wanton sable]

And is the playstyle different from the maxroll? I just go in spam smokebomb on the enemies and aerial assault while holding down dive bomb and falcon strikes.
I think I saw somewhere that you don't press falcon strikes on some builds bc it messes with the amount of dive bombs?

[undone dune]

hold 3 skills down, stand in smokebomb

everything dies

[wanton sable]

Is it this?https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOj3xbWQ

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 3,510, Regen: 47.8/s
▸ Mana: 213.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 199 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 92% / 92% / 95% / 89% / 92% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 702
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2773)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,831)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Aerial Assault / Synchronized Strike / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[wanton sable]

Oh it's all the skills?

[undone dune]

yeah thats the super aspirational version

[flint turret]

ty

[undone dune]

and yes hold divebomb + AA + falconry

[undone dune]

that link worked?

[flint turret]

yeah i did a copy

[undone dune]

the spreadsheet is crazy

[wanton sable]

I tried that build before and for some reason it felt like my damage PLUMMETED

[undone dune]

it does

but your single target goes way up

to things that are standing inside the smoke bomb

all of your aoe goes poof

[wanton sable]

oh maybe ill try it again.
I did normal ab on it and it felt like it took forever

[undone dune]

with tongues you need to be standing in the smoke bomb and have all of your shadows (which are normally spawned by smoke bomb) in close range to the boss

[wanton sable]

What about the build makes it skyrocket single target? Maybe if I understand conceptually I can figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Thank you for answering btw I'm pretty new

[undone dune]

uhh

the umbral blades not exploding

makes htem into a huge damage multiplier

but them not exploding also means you lose most of your aoe

[wanton sable]

Makes sense. I also don't think I had the increased damage for skills used by shadows so that might have tanked my damage from my helm

[undone dune]

200 dex is more important

thats more of a luxury

synch strike already gets you 200% and idols are a lot easier to replace than a high lp helm

[wanton sable]

Ah makes sense. I'll go dex stacking then

[undone dune]

ohh gratz

#🔪┃rogue message

my experience exactly

its funny because i finishsed diamond matrons faster than exile mages

but siege golems are just super elusive

doesn't help that when you proc soulbastoin enemies you get a bunch of fake sieggolem lookalikes

#🔪┃rogue message

i linked the spreadsheet here

[thin quartz]

There is a mana tech for low life ward build.
Shift has a node that consumes a pot when you shift with low life.
Exsan gives boost when you consume a pot.
Jungle belt slammed with t5 experimental mana affix.

At least, that’s what I did for solving mana issue.

[soft mauve]

or could just press potion button, no need for shift :D

[thin quartz]

After shift = speed boost = damage boost = zoom zoom.

Which rogue doesn’t use shift when it’s off cooldown.

[soft mauve]

any rogue that uses smoke bomb cause its superior for anything aside from throw build or whatnot idk

[thin quartz]

Ahhh. I see you’re those type. Okay

[soft mauve]

i mean i like jumping over stuff and cutting corners, you know

[thin quartz]

Nono. It’s superior. Better start using it.

[strong venture]

Does Lethal Mirage bleed poison to shock change all sources of those dots or just the ones in the Lethal Mirage tree?

[cedar sage]

How come i dont see this in my character page?

[thin quartz]

I dont think you know shift can actually blink thru temporal sanctum road block if you know how to do it. Somehow this season they removed that feature but we have portal charm at least. Smoke can’t do that.

[pearl forge]

all sources

kind of a cuck because of sundering blows

[wary cedar]

i never played any dungeon this season

lmao

[gloomy finch]

is this okay for Peak LP3 slam?

[pearl forge]

seems cool

[cedar plume]

hey anyone free here to share screen and help me fix the bad gear i have (falconeer) ?

[vivid ice]

olny sanctum of the time for LP 😄 +1

[wary cedar]

i mean i do dungeon but always always with the portal charm

[vivid ice]

+1 the only way, thanks Devs for this ❤️

[cedar sage]

Does physical dmg blessing affect the falconer build of Juse??

[boreal walrus]

[slate mulch]

For life based shurikens I’m wondering if kismet + traitor tongue might be legit

[worldly plank]

guys why we convert umbral glaivs to cold type? i know that still dmg scaled with physical as shadow daggers do not get converted....but what is the point of converting to cold damage?

[violet idol]

As far as i know, for Throne of ambition idol + ucenui sphere. I think later on you keep throne but switch ucenui for shattered worlds

[minor heart]

Does dex increase poison damage done through Umbral Blades, Flurry or only on Puncture because of its inherit bleed chance (which is converted to poison)?

[cedar sage]

@terse bloom Sorry for the ping.. Does the physical dmg blessing affect your minions?

[flint turret]

is anyone interested in trying my lowlife block shurikens idea for uber abby?

something like this
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bg5J4KkA

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 98

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (62) / Falconer (20)

General:

▸ Health: 2,529, Regen: 31.6/s
▸ Mana: 135.15, Regen: 10.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 126%, Regen: 128/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 21 Dex / 10 Int / 10 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 98% / 80% / 64% / 73% / 71% / 65% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 506
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (519)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (610)
▸ Block Chance: 52%, Mitigation: 58% (2,784)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Umbral Blades / Synchronized Strike / Shift / Smoke Bomb

[flint turret]

light % might be too low tho

[undone dune]

How is shuriken DPS? What do you expect the Uber fight duration to be

I've been meaning to find a BD build this season since I already played falcon and MM

[pearl forge]

dmg should be fine for everything but uber

and even uber just dont get hit i guess

[undone dune]

I really want scissors to be good

now that i found out hte tooltip is wrong and it actually gives crit multi not crit chance

but i just cant figure out a build that makes it not look super jank

[chrome sleet]

trying out like a sync strike/cascade BD and the ST damage is so lowwww, is there any secrets to this? i plow through the monos easily but killing a boss/harbinger took like 3mins or something

[pearl forge]

it is like that you need crazy gear for cascade to be good

on st

[manic prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe2gXozYrqQ its just meme btw

[flint turret]

Up to 10 min probably

[undone dune]

tahts what i was afraid of

10 mins is so scary

[chrome sleet]

wow nice. im not playing dance but i tihnk most of my damage is from umbra, how do you get cascade to hit to hard?

[flint turret]

Any ethical build will be close to that if you are going for big ehp instead of all in on damage

Maybe it can go down to 5, but that would require some sick gear and cuts to ehp

[manic prism]

lots of shenanigans https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6mZaWeo

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (21) / Bladedancer (90)

General:

▸ Health: 1,301, Regen: 19.72/s
▸ Mana: 158.5, Regen: 9.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 12 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 37% / 99% / 35% / 127% / 21% / 66%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 25%, Threshold: 260
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (217)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,792)

Used skills:

Shift / Dancing Strikes / Synchronized Strike / Smoke Bomb / Shadow Cascade

[undone dune]

that build you linked did not look super high EHP

maybe im underestimating maja shield

[tame quarry]

tips for double dagger rogue? i wanna do it but i was made of glass lol

[manic prism]

cascade tree just has a bit much nodes with more multiplier

[flint turret]

It has 5100 stable ward with average rolls so it's definitely not low

[undone dune]

interesting

[flint turret]

I'm not entirely sure of how majasa blocks dot

But if it's 35% of block effectiveness applied to dot 100% of the time, it would pretty much negate all pools and lasers

And without them Uber Abby can't do anything really

[rugged pollen]

what's your plan to deal with uber DOT sustain check with that?

majasa shield?

[flint turret]

There will be no dot damage if my understanding of majasa is correct

[rugged pollen]

i never touch it so dont really know its effectiveness

[flint turret]

Same, I haven't tested it

[rugged pollen]

how can there will be no dot dam?

[flint turret]

But I know roughly the damage of pools and lasers, and 35% of 3000 should be twice as much needed to block everything

[rugged pollen]

it should be % of dam mitigation -> dot mitigation

same as the armor effective one

not flat

[flint turret]

Why

And how

[rugged pollen]

if its flat then gg

[flint turret]

How do you translate 35% of 3000 block into %

[rugged pollen]

most broken item in the game i guess

[pearl forge]

it applies your block effect

so it blocks like at least 1k+ like ragu says

should be plenty to feel strong

[flint turret]

Beams tick like 500 dam

Pools around 200

[rugged pollen]

tested?

[pearl forge]

just watch any paladin doing it

they use that shield

[rugged pollen]

yeah was abt to say

[pearl forge]

pools and beam do almost 0

[rugged pollen]

based on how paladin looks with majasa

[pearl forge]

only real danger is bowling hall

and the skill issue slams

[rugged pollen]

it's likely the case

[pearl forge]

i may have a problem with those tbh

[flint turret]

Free Uber on bd anyone? I'm offering a free consultation

[pearl forge]

could make some compilation

of me dying to those

[flint turret]

Well that will still be an issue even with majasa you are definitely not supposed to stand in it

It hits way to hard to tank it

Also I was thinking about reforged Corsair helm+shield

But it's already hard to cap crit as is

Might be awesome for dot tho

its even more with corsair but capping crit is hard

might be a decent option for a life shuri tho, can leech without peak

or can have 100% block if swapped to block chance

[floral latch]

I shoulf give bleedseeker another go, that one is fun

[pearl forge]

i wanted to try dancing strikes and proccing shit with it one day too

but i saw someone trying it

did cheeks dmg

i do think cascade with flow combos and shift can do decent dmg tho

[flint turret]

it doeals decent damage with cascade

[pearl forge]

when i get that random shrike

my cascades hit for like 200k

and you can do 6 of those overlapping

and points on it should inc dmg a lot

+dancing strikes general buffs

[flint turret]

yeah

[pearl forge]

might be funny to do cascade without DW tho

only with shift and mirage etc

seemd funny

maybe event horizon angle

because you dont need any as

for bossing

[flint turret]

only issue is that wou will need to have a swap in your inventory each echo

to snapshot

cant use cascade without dw

[pearl forge]

not directly but proccing works right?

someone told me

never tried

[flint turret]

it works but you want to snapshot it first with 4 shadows

snapshotting requires maually casting it

i also was thinking about shuriken build on mm with HS support

to buff flat damage and get dusk shrouds

cant say i love the mm tree for non bow tho

[pearl forge]

hmm you can try some shadow shurikens thing

without chakram

with 6 shadows and lots of support for extra dmg should be ok

[flint turret]

yeah im actually not sure about whats better for single target dps

might be line shuri

[pearl forge]

clear is fine either way

[flint turret]

oh well, maybe ill try to cook something with shuri in a month if no bd uber abby clears until then

so far im a firm believer that shuri is fully capable

[thin quartz]

this drop and i have no idea how to craft

[wary cedar]

havoc until bow physical is T5, then rune of removal it, slap crit multi on to T5 than havoc again

[thin quartz]

this is why you ran out of havoc

[wary cedar]

nah i have some atm

need them for belt

and redemptions for quiver

but i dont get quiver drops

😭

[thin quartz]

i dont think you understand how havoc works tbh

[wary cedar]

i think i do

[thin quartz]

k

[wary cedar]

what is this screenshot btw?

@thin quartz ????????????

👍

[pearl forge]

big

[green grove]

whats the best/strongest rogue build ? not marksman ,im mainly looking at bladedancer cause i like blades/shurikens playstyle,falconer can be okay too

[pearl forge]

if falconer is ok just go there

[chrome sleet]

bladedance is worst of the 3 prob, falconer strongest

[iron notch]

Can someone help me? I put my item in sactum T4. I put the selected item in t7 and the item is in the red eternity cache but I don't see it and I can't remove it. Can someone help me, what should I do? Please?

[thin quartz]

you placed 2 items in and selected affix to slam and now the item is missing??

[iron notch]

yes

but it looks better as if items were there but my 2 items disappeared, the only one with LP and mine exalted.

[thin quartz]

this sentence is confusing...

[iron notch]

I placed my unique item with lp and placed my exalted one, chose a t7 affix, selected it, changed screens on the normal D key as always and my item did not appear.

I did a normal T4 sanctum... as always...@thin quartz

[thin quartz]

if you really did not take it out. exit and do another t4 and check

ive forgotten to take the slammed item out before because its a failed one and the next time i went back in, the item still remained inside.

[iron notch]

@thin quartz I will test it here, thanks.

[nocturne edge]

For a moment I almost use this for Turtle

😰

[pearl forge]

quite lucky it has shit mods for LM but good for the vk build thing

they only really care about time rot

imagine i could sell this kekw

[flint turret]

made a semi-budget chakram lowlife planner if anyone interested https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Br97PzOQ

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 98

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (37) / Bladedancer (63) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 2,896, Regen: 19.72/s
▸ Mana: 171.19, Regen: 10.8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 80%, Regen: 144/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 20 Dex / 4 Int / 4 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 89% / 73% / 70% / 59% / 61% / 67%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 579
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (0)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (505)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 63%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Umbral Blades / Synchronized Strike / Shift / Smoke Bomb

[wary cedar]

in the rune prison if i craft an experimental prefix on my item, but i only have one prefix and one slot is free, does it always take the free slot?

[pearl forge]

you can choose which one to craft

and they are pref or suffix

so need that spot free

[flint turret]

I've noticed you are taking 50 pen in lm, I would assume you tested it and it gets converted to light pen? I haven't myself

[pearl forge]

yea it gets converted

[flint turret]

nice

[undone dune]

is there a good way to test what node gets converted and what doens't?

[flint turret]

hitting dummies

50 pen is hard to not notice

[undone dune]

i find it so hard to read the numbers that fast i can maybe count the digits snad see the 1st number

[terse bloom]

30-40s uberroth no avian arsenal, throwing dam anywhere, avian hurl, talon blades/knives, tactician or execute used

[undone dune]

well aware

[terse bloom]

Throwing attack speed/attack speed buff is doing more damage for bleed

[undone dune]

that comment was about the MG market not adapting

but your build is cooked

[terse bloom]

Guessing it’s to do with feather knives cooldown applying bleed faster

[undone dune]

i like it

[terse bloom]

Pumped 8/8 attack speed in rogue, 7/7 peltast and 5/5 rhythm, 3s wake of wings buff, 30% as after sync use and shit eats

[eager mason]

beams doesnt have a DoT tag

[flint turret]

You are saying they are hit? I haven't dodged them at all

[eager mason]

neither

I think

[flint turret]

Hmmmmmm

So it's basically a direct hp reduction? Interesting

[eager mason]

unless tunk is missing it but it has the other dot stuff tagged

[flint turret]

Well, rip the idea of negating beams with majasa I guess

Or maybe needs testing

[livid scroll]

So I tired out this fire/cold heartseeker with mourningfrost and the sphere relic.. I’m melting everything

Insane how some items interact

[violet idol]

do we have planner for shadow cascade? (not lowlife) also maybe utilizes shattered / vise since i have both, and also dual red rings (with dex) 🤔

[slate mulch]

for defensive layering

in a life based build, is armor+crit reduction or dodge+crit avoidance

im finding i want to have HP/cdr/ms on boots/belt which makes it tough to slot in armor + avoidance

[violet idol]

if you cant fit in crit avoidance, try to fit in a blind passive/skill/suffix.

[undone dune]

or just make smokebomb your movement skill

and use that with a healthy dose of copium

[slate mulch]

i added a stealth which boosted my dodge up from 25 to 45 and it seems to help a lot

i usually die when i get stunned and then immediately hit right after and the dodge is really useful

[sick ivy]

this is very similar to what i had in mind, why the peak though? somewhere around 60% should be enough cap crit on chakram with crit vuln and jagged edges-node

i thought about shield too, cradle is good for lowlife builds, bulwark is easy to cap block chance and new majasa shield also seems interesting.

[potent arrow]

Peak is so you dont heal from Siphon i think?

[sick ivy]

build has 0 health leech anyway.

btw volca put up uberroth kill with RoW heartseeker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUpgOuLiLTQ he hasn't done it with Dragonsong yet I guess

[potent arrow]

ah my bad, mixing up builds in my head

[slate mulch]

huh thats doing less damage than shurikens for me

indicating that shurikens can definitely do the fight

its pretty awkward synch striking though

and my defensive pieces are all just 1 LP so i cant take many hits

[thin quartz]

@copper rapids see what i mean. rav + null + double RR is key

[wanton sable]

Can anyone explain the skills in this build? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOj3xbWQ
I think when I did the ramping right when fighting an orobyss and then for some reason normal aberotth felt way longer than when I was doing umbral blades falconer maxroll guide.

I get going into smokebomb and spamming aerial assault and divebomb. When do I use falcon strike and synchronized strike?

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 3,510, Regen: 47.8/s
▸ Mana: 213.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 199 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 92% / 92% / 95% / 89% / 92% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 702
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2773)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,831)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Aerial Assault / Synchronized Strike / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[graceful hare]

🤭

I guess you missed the scaling part? Isn't that the Juse "bleed" Falcon that usually scales stun?

[wanton sable]

It's the midnight aviary build, not the bleed one

[graceful hare]

I see, me and Falconer understanding, my bad

[flint turret]

Peak is just good. That planner has 98% crit with shuri on average, so can drop out crit vuln too. can use tundra instead tho. Some crit per dagger and crit blessing will fix crit. It's harder to slam 2lp tundra than 3lp peak tho. Same for barbute

[undone dune]

im confused why those rings are good for hte build

just becuase they have high flat hp?

[flint turret]

Funny, almost exact same gear I used online, with the exception of nihilis over swine and fury over row(I couldn't get 2lp row with multi). Kill time is also the same

[undone dune]

im assuming that this isn't applying enough stacks of shock to concider Oceareon

[flint turret]

Hp+res+low lp lvl. Can more or less easily get 3lp of them

[undone dune]

ok so its basically just an easy way to get +3 suffixes on a ring more or less

[flint turret]

Shock will be maxed so can use oceareon as well, but I'm not really a fan of it

It will be more damage but much lower ehp

And it's much harder to slam 2lp oceareon then 3lp nomad, not even 2

[undone dune]

10% more damage doesn't sound like nothing but your right its probably not a ton

maybe just uberoth tech if it ever gets there

[flint turret]

I had a majasa shield in mind for Uber Abby

That uses a different setup a bit

[undone dune]

didn't that change after someone pointed out the beams are actually a hit

i was skimming earlier

[flint turret]

I haven't tried it

[pearl forge]

ocearon is kinda neat it also has 4% dr at most if you can chill

[undone dune]

didn't see the whole conversatoin

[flint turret]

So I actually have no idea

[undone dune]

it has chill on hit baked in

[pearl forge]

yea but to chill you need cold dmg no?

[undone dune]

no?

chill is just an ailment

[pearl forge]

oh interesting

[undone dune]

you need cold damage to affect freeze rate

[pearl forge]

i always get it from the cold swordies on the ground

so didnt really care

[flint turret]

4%dr is not that much to notice tbh. 140hp on nomad is more interesting

[undone dune]

i totally agree that 140 hp will probably be more than 4% dr i was most looking at the 10% more damage since its a lightning build

[flint turret]

Yeah, at the end of the day it's all about budget

I don't see a reason to put oceareons on a semi-budget planner

[undone dune]

Iirc i have 1 or 2 1lp ocearons from when i was doing proffs for red rings

2lp might be rough

[flint turret]

With 1lp they won't work as well. You need both exalted throw and avoidance on it

[undone dune]

just get blind on dagger EZ

[flint turret]

So at least one should be a 2/2 slam on 2lp

[vale iron]

is int or dex more DPS for zhp ballista?

[undone dune]

and i would probably use 1 ocearon and 1 nomad, so i can get the easy multi LP to finish fixing res/avoidance

[flint turret]

True

That works I guess

[undone dune]

it used to be int where you can get it but the int sclaing was nerfed and now im not sure

how much int do you have?

[flint turret]

Like I said I haven't played chakram for a long time, so that planner probably can be optimized quite a bit, that just was something to aim for if I'm gonna start playing it

[undone dune]

getting int is probably better than dex at that point but its hard to say i dont really have a good feel for the current state of hte build

[vale iron]

no worries thx

also any advice on how to get a dex+int helm for my LP2 slams, all helmets that drop seem to be rogue only and rogue helmets cant get int

so the play was to get a mage helmet with int+dex but they just never seem to drop

[undone dune]

you can also use primalist helm with str+atuenment and then statfix with the woven echo

[vale iron]

yep any helm other than rogue really

but all i see is rogue

[undone dune]

but yeah multi stat helms are rough to farm on rogue

[flint turret]

You can swap attributes on them in woven echoes

[vale iron]

even spent 300k on exalted prophecies and it just only ever sp[its out rogue helms

[undone dune]

could also manually craft a 2nd stat then use havocs

if you imprint a 2 exalted suffix helm

[vale iron]

this is legit the best helm so far for imprint

and it's awful

[flint turret]

For a rogue helm swap dex to int, add dex

[vale iron]

It's just so much time and effort for such a gamble though

[undone dune]

can you not just craft int on a rogue base?

[flint turret]

For non rogue, swap int to dex, add int

[vale iron]

have to do the woven echo to swap and then add and then havoc the T7 over and by then you're just out of forging potential

you cant add int to rogue helms no

[undone dune]

oof

[vale iron]

dex is the only attribute that can go on rogue helms

[flint turret]

There is no gamble

You just swap it and add the other

[vale iron]

That method only works for a t7 t5 dex int

[flint turret]

Yes

[undone dune]

getting double exalted stats on helm does not sound easy

[vale iron]

Ive lost too many LP2 slams and ive got an LP3 waiting for a good slam

[flint turret]

You want double t7 or smth

[vale iron]

im really trying to get t7 t6 for this lp3

[flint turret]

Ah...gl with that I guess

[undone dune]

would need to have FP left over for havocs after stat fixing in the echo which sounds hard

[vale iron]

yep

have to roll t7 t6 with 1 attribute, add the second, havoc the rolls to attributes and then re roll in the echo

and it cant be done on a rogue helmet

aka im screwed

[undone dune]

it would be interesting if htere were lenses in the observatory to get items for a specific class

but im not sure there would even be slots to use them

[vale iron]

im almost considering trying those woven echos that say "drop loot fit for a mage"

[flint turret]

It can be done on a rogue helm

[vale iron]

how?

[flint turret]

I already said that

Swap dex to int, add dex

[undone dune]

find a helm with 2t7 mods 1 is dex, and then use removal so there is an open prefix, swap dex to into int echo, craft dex, havoc

[vale iron]

spending a woven echo for such a heavy forging potential gamble is crazy though

[undone dune]

well you could theoretically bank a few of htem before you go to the echo

[flint turret]

You don't have to do it for every single helm

Prepare a bunch and do it

There is no other way

It won't drop by itself

[vale iron]

yea unless there is a way to generate mage helmets

[undone dune]

could uhh play a mage

for a bit

[vale iron]

its actually kinda lame lol almost worth swapping my MG mage to cof

and farming on it

[flint turret]

Mage helmets roll dex or smth?

[undone dune]

yes

[flint turret]

I see

[undone dune]

spellblade uses dex scaling

[vale iron]

they can roll like 3 attributes

[undone dune]

or something

[vale iron]

very easy if u get a t7 t6 on mage helmets to start generating them for gambles

[flint turret]

I guess mg is just better for this then

You just buy a mage helmet

[undone dune]

they just have dex scaling

[flint turret]

Or you can try imprinting a mage helmet

[vale iron]

Buyin a mage helmet doesnt really help tho does it

[flint turret]

Why it doesn't?

[vale iron]

what can i do with a bought MG mage helmet?

cant imprint MG items on COF

cant wear it on cof

[flint turret]

I mean if you play mg

Not to buy it and go cof

[vale iron]

my ballista is COF

i just have a mage thats currently mg

[flint turret]

If that mage has untagged multi exalted helm you can try imprinting it on your rogue

No idea actually if it will drop mage bases, it should I guess?

[vale iron]

i mean i guess i could do some echos on it in MG

and hope for a t7 t6 to drop

ok so imprint this

get t7 t6 (with dex)
havoc till 1 suffix 1 prefix exalted affix
remove extra suffix
swap dex to int
add int
havoc t7 t6 to dex and int
miss slam

[undone dune]

sounds about right

espeically that bit at the end

100% chane of that

[eternal knot]

question about talons of valor for the maxroll "standard" build; i have a 3LP one but with meh skill rolls. what is more imporant for dmg; high skill rolls or good LP slams? like if i have a 4/4/4 1 LP with the deadeye t7 slam, is that better than a 1/3/2 with T7 deadeye, T5 crit multiplier and T5 phys pen?

[vale iron]

5% crit is the most important roll, followed by +4 dive bomb and then falconry, the t7 crit hybrid for 10% is the most important but it's guaranteed

i would probably run a 1/3/2 with those LP mods as long as it had 5% crit

or id prefer a 4 4 4 5% with 1 lp

but also on top of that conversation, the bow variant is worse than daggers

so i would go with those instead

[eternal knot]

traitors tounge?

[vale iron]

ya traitors tongues are great

Juse youtube has quite a lot of variants of that build

with a whole bunch of diff weapons and skills

i would suggest going there and watchin some vids

😂

[eternal knot]

alright ill look in to it 🙂 seems like there are 10000 different builds on his channel 😛

[topaz agate]

Is it me or is detonating arrow complete dog for levelling. I'm using the marksman skills btw at level 30

[pearl forge]

usually most people level with some way to use shadow daggers

[topaz agate]

Can shadow daggers only proc from umbral blades?

[pearl forge]

nah it procs from lots of things

[topaz agate]

I tried dark quiver and detonating arrow. Feels pretty weak though. Wanted to do a full lightning build

[pearl forge]

like puncture etc

as you get more gear detonating might be fine again

[topaz agate]

Ahhh okay. Think I'll try make some switches to shadow

[flint turret]

Da is pretty much dead in 1.2

There is no reason to use it at all anymore

[topaz agate]

Ah that's a feels bad. Should I just go with multishot instead

I'm levelling as marksman, eventually I'll make the swap to heart seeker

[flint turret]

Switch to heartseeker

[topaz agate]

I have not unlocked heart seeker yet

I tried acid flask and it actually melts everything haha

[flint turret]

Then either something with shadow daggers or bleed (puncture+umbrals work for both)

[topaz agate]

Swapped to detonating arrow and dark quiver. Now I'm tickling stuff

[topaz agate]

Okay sounds good

DQ feels really underwhelming?

Still got to run around and pick up arrows

[flint turret]

For me it doesn't, love it

[topaz agate]

What do I spec into for dark quiver, there's so many options

The ones that buff shadows ?

[flint turret]

5 dusk per black arrow, frenzy, shadows, crimson shrouds, more damage, it has everything you can wish for

[topaz agate]

Oh I sent bottom right for the lightning node haha

Maybe that's a wrong choice

[flint turret]

Well, I don't think you need it before you get to hs or get lots of points in it

Hs can help you generate arrows at least

If you later land a phase point quiver on your build, it becomes even better

Getting 6 dusk shrouds+shadow on dodge is sick

[topaz agate]

Oh good suggestion I'll try it out

Ty very much!

[eager mason]

uber done on bladedancer

[pearl forge]

big

[next gale]

does anyone have save file 60lv rogue

[flint turret]

Any video of it?

[eager mason]

gonna upload it

are we allowed to share it here or different channel?

[flint turret]

Good job

Doesn't matter

Planner?

Looks like cascade with apostasy and rr

[eager mason]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/huurworld/character/333

yeah cascade

[flint turret]

Big. I was worried about damage on cascade. I guess I shouldn't have

How long did it take?

[eager mason]

fight was 8 min

[flint turret]

Oh wow

Even better than I expected

[eager mason]

at start it was 12 to get to last phase but once I got used to the fight it was way faster

[flint turret]

Why snowblind?

Vise+shattered is huge tho

Double exalted core omg

Double t7 tongue 3lp

[eager mason]

40% more armor and better chance to blind and chill

[flint turret]

Jesus Christ this is cracked

[eager mason]

can do decayed skulls too

should be better for this fight

with the void shift and for the DoT puddles

yeah I dont think Im doing it without the uber drops on this skill :xdd

[flint turret]

Double t7 boots

The amount of farming you did is commendable

[eager mason]

I had most of the gear before just had to farm the tongue and a lot of lightless arbors

[flint turret]

Phys% looks kinda low

[eager mason]

I mean you get a lot of increased from shadow cascade affixes

although I didnt get the helmet one and didnt wanna farm more for it

[flint turret]

Not that much. You don't have shadows damage passives maxed. So it's roughly around 800

[undone dune]

wow your gear is insanely good

those boots.....

[eager mason]

also some from these

[flint turret]

Yeah I counted idols too

Unless I missed something

Ah nwm

You have t7 body

Its fine

[undone dune]

just an extra 85% * 5 extra damage

[flint turret]

I like everything except snowblind kekw

[pearl forge]

armor can be big sometimes

a funny thing i never tried is static shell

[undone dune]

snowblind blinds which is why they dont need crit avoidance (ignore smokebomb here)

[pearl forge]

but it can be good

[serene crane]

@flint turret the pepega poison Hs... 😄 I kinda missed 2lp slams on boots and gloves, still need some good exalts for both ring slams and good bow to slam on Acidfletch; same for amu and helmet, but its ok for now 😄 killedAberroth with it, but the damage is a bit low even tho it stacks 999+ poison stacks omega fast
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZpk6e8A

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 91

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (18) / Marksman (57) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,418, Regen: 24.97/s
▸ Mana: 99.92, Regen: 10.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 7 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 85% / 122% / 95% / 108% / 57% / 111% / 124%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 484
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1248)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (590)
▸ Block Chance: 3%, Mitigation: 19% (196)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 21%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 45%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Acid Flask / Decoy / Puncture

[pearl forge]

wonder how much 150% more armor is in reality

[flint turret]

You probably could take a hit from an overhead mace and 3 sector with that gear?

[undone dune]

btw does core have a buff to display when you are immune?

[flint turret]

If you somehow pair it with tundra helm it could be pretty sick

[eager mason]

around 1022 from what I can tell

[flint turret]

More, I missed t7 body, it's fine

[eager mason]

the 3 sector one wasnt consistent so I just dodged anyways

[flint turret]

But it didn't kill you all the time if you didn't?

[eager mason]

yeah

[flint turret]

Pog

[eager mason]

have lethal mirage silver shrouds for it also

if I am in a bad situation

[flint turret]

I guess overhead mace didn't kill you too then

Giga qol

Finally glory to bds

[flint turret]

Have you checked the offline Uber Abby poison kill video?

Might get some ideas from there

Overall stats are pretty bad. Too low shred and basically everything else. Keep gearing it

[serene crane]

No idea at all, havent seen anything 😄

[flint turret]

That's was the first recorded mm Uber kill if I'm not mistaken

Look it up

[serene crane]

Its like 50 or even 100ish stacks per second, just the damage is somehow low af 😄

% for stacks is fine

[flint turret]

mor stacks more damage anyway

and your shred can easily be tripled

also i dont thnk poison pen isols are that good, poison has 60% pen by default even without gloves

something like this matbe

[lone reef]

Is there any cool bladedancer builds focused on big hits? Any that works with a 2h weapon, apart from the chaos blade build?

[serene crane]

Completly ditching Salts? 🤔 ye that idol would be great, I just had only one at the moment 😄

[flint turret]

or this

[undone dune]

there was a meme puncture 1 shot build with event horizon

i dont know how viable it is as a build though

[lone reef]

Could it work with clothos needle?

[serene crane]

Yeah two of those, 2 Large ones, then some Stout/Humble ones would be great

[flint turret]

also not bad

[flint turret]

not really. you can try cascade with something like sierpin tho

[serene crane]

The %poison chances from both acid flask+smoke are pretty great tbh

[lone reef]

Thanks for the replies ❤️

[eager mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1lc_fU8acg

[flint turret]

puncture SD with sierpin can work too

[undone dune]

Sierpin is so funny to me because it seems to be used for anything but javelin

[serene crane]

Arent there like 2 other spears for Javelin? 😄

[undone dune]

but yeah aoe from dex + high phys damage + phys pen sounds like it could work for BD

[undone dune]

5 total javeling spears

[serene crane]

Ye but only 3 of them with Javelin text 😄

[undone dune]

all of them have the word javeling in there somewhere

[serene crane]

Bane of WInter Javelin build? makes me legit sad that spear isnt good at all for bladedancer tbh....

[undone dune]

bane of winter procs on javeling or melee hit

[flint turret]

bd lost access to easy spell crit cap without a bow or dagger (

[serene crane]

ah ye lol

[ebon jungle]

for the shuriken build. are you only going for the ward retention? or do you want the mana spent as well?

[flint turret]

mostly ward ret

[serene crane]

Aaanyway... clearing with Hs proccing a whole bunch of poison punctures feels great 😄 and the leech is also so good

[flint turret]

glad you liked it.hs is an awesome skill that deserves more love than it gets

[serene crane]

I guess I could just throw Salts away, get rid off the crit multi passives in MM and take more poison chance in core rogue

ye but people can only be thankful for playing it because of WASD... without that, it would be probably straight up tortue 😄

[flint turret]

yeah wasd makes a gigantic difference for mm

[flint turret]

dunno. id say t7 shred gloves, amulet, bow, quiver at least

[lone reef]

Sierpin for the aoe and damage stats? Or can rogues proc javelin somehow?

[flint turret]

just for that

rogue is not suited to 2h overall outside of BBC

everything is either bow or dual with a bit of shield action

[lone reef]

I wish their skills could work with 2hs as well as dw.. I'm a nerd for 2h 😭

[serene crane]

Excuse me, spear fire pen int stacking falconer exists... somewhere.... in some timeline... surely

[flint turret]

still waiting for a fire skill and a staff to work with it

or an item that makes dex=int

[serene crane]

got those day 1

[flint turret]

big

poison duration t7 helm maybe is not a bad idea too

[serene crane]

could craft this t6 dot, t6 zerrick, t5 ele, t7 shred

[ebon jungle]

works 😂

[serene crane]

Throwing those belts into Nemesis egg legit sucks 😄

[flint turret]

dunno, yesterday i was comparing different belts and ward retention affect on ward while making a planner for ll shuri and i ended up not liking strands at all

chances are you wint ever get good 2lp strands

ended up using uleros

elecoe is better ptobably but will require 4 idols with convert

[serene crane]

Yeah Uleros is super easy to get with 3LP, no need to worry about ward potion convert idols

[flint turret]

i also like this one

[serene crane]

But Strands still worked pretty nicely for the LL LM, I got like 700/800 ward instead of Uleros, even with just 3 weaver Idols with 75% potion convert, since those also have some wps/ward ret or something

[flint turret]

yeah but i feel like game shifted more from wanting a big stable ward amount to wanting more ward gen per second

strands have a problem of lp lvl

you 100% want throw flat+hybrid on a belt for shuri and strand doesnt really helps with this

you would also want a cdr ofc, but thats even more impossible

[next gale]

is there any bladedancer leveling guide ? i dont wanna play falconeer

[serene crane]

Ye 3LP chance is low af... and then it of course misses one of the 3 wanted affixes => uninstall for a week

[pearl forge]

i did one but very barebones i just kinda explained how i levelelled

but basically use puncture with shadow daggers node

until you get dancing strikes

then use that one with shadow daggers node

then you get cascade and finally lethal mirage as you lvl more

first few lvls i usually do acid flask

[cloud coral]

game knows that i didn't play falconer...

[serene crane]

Turtle it

[flint turret]

why do you have less hp than in a planner?

[serene crane]

It'll either be a clear 4LP sign for you to join the dark side or let this heretical item be forgotten by the turtle historians

[eager mason]

there are 2 links

one is character

[flint turret]

ah nwm i see you swapping belt all the time lol

[eager mason]

yeah

missed cdr slam on the 2lp one

[frank olive]

turtle or no balls

[flint turret]

shred stacks look like a bit on the low side

they rarely go up 50 stacks on a boss

hooked blades passive migh have been good idstead of some perfection

[eager mason]

my first plan was explosive trap on melee hit like SMK

so it was better

also the on my dagger is t4 so with t5 it should be like 70 when boss isnt moving as much

[flint turret]

also i dont really understand umbrals here

why explosive and why no mana gain on recall on shift

your throwing damage is non existent and SD doesnt have phys pen for it

[serene crane]

Is this worth for the shred=>poison? 🤔 there is also Missile Mastery, but thats only 5% per 1 point up to 50%... so I'd rather go with health/gb 😄

[flint turret]

its 200 shred so def

[eager mason]

it was more damage damage compared to explosive trap when I switched and my mana was fine 🤷‍♂️

since I got a random 40% slam mana efficiency from body armor

you can definitely chance that one I wasnt sure either

[serene crane]

Ye I'll try it out... there is also the option of Shift for Jade Arrows, but that seems a bit mid? Traversal Smoke seems like a beast, especially with cdr on belt+boots

[eager mason]

tried dancing strikes

its more damage but I dont want another skill moving me and its hard to keep up rhythm

[serene crane]

DS sounds like real fun at Uberroth 😄

[eager mason]

wander was trying that

idk Im also very shit at using that skill

[pearl forge]

im a very good fan of it

i already struggle because im bad and only need to sync strike sometimes

and shift

and the times i died to both are very high

[serene crane]

I find Sync being more clunky than LM... 😄

[pearl forge]

it is

and i may use dark allies again

as i get more used to the fight the other day i could do more combos instead of every time i had smoke

the diff between a 3 shadow lm and a 5 one is very big

on the off combos

[serene crane]

Gloom and Doom is pretty great tbf, with so many mirages we already have... just no clue where you would get points for it, would need to sacrifice a bit of damage from the %pen/ravaging nodes

[pearl forge]

sadly i tried it in some echos yday fast after raid

and it spawned almost no shadows

instead of pen

[serene crane]

Unlucky 😄 feels better on bosses where all the mirages hit

[pearl forge]

might try it

the less i have to sync strike the better

and i can always just puncture evade shift mirage

for the ones where sync is too slow

and smoke is on cd

or use net instead of evade

[serene crane]

Yeah, everytime I tried sync there, it was just painful for mana, its also movement so it procs Julras sooo you gotta combo quicker... without sync its just a bit more chill gamestyle

[pearl forge]

im using 2 red rings rn

[serene crane]

Net consumes shadows, so I dont think you really want that?

[flint turret]

this pool is triggering me a bit ngl

you could removed it 2 times but chose not too

[eager mason]

I never go there on last phase

just care about left side being clean

[pearl forge]

as long as you use it first before generating it is fine

but if you run dark allies or gloom i would not

[flint turret]

that was a pretty clean fightm you didnt tank neither 3 sector nor overhead mace at all

gj really

[eager mason]

thx

I have unspecced lethal mirrage for the 3 sector one but dont really use it unless I cant dodge it

since its a lot of mana

[flint turret]

ive seen you using it couple of times. lm is the best bd skill if left unspecced

[eager mason]

yeah helps a lot last phase too

[flint turret]

why you didnt spec shadow gen on smoke?

to not mess up snapshotting?

[eager mason]

yeah

half the time Im self casting shadow cascade

[flint turret]

makes sense

[eager mason]

hard to tell a lot of times but Im doing sync, shift, sync, cascade, space

[manic prism]

congrats @eager mason , do you know if more dmg from shift applies to shadows

i was trying that but seemed like it wasnt

[pearl forge]

the always crit from it applies so dmg should too i think

[flint turret]

it doesnt apply to the cascade triggered by shift afaik

it applies to the next manually used skill, in this case sync i guess

have you considered getting this btw and spamming sync all day long?

[eager mason]

I think it applies to the shadow ones I remember testing it

but it was like 2 weeks ago

let me check

[topaz agate]

Damn heart seeker Vs detonating arrow is like night and day

[flint turret]

it should apply to shadows yeah, but there is no shadows left after you shift

[topaz agate]

Even with crap gear my heart seeker does so much damage

[eager mason]

nah never clicked that ngl

it doesnt work on the first one Im guessing

[manic prism]

when i was testing my shadows were dealing more than me, but when i used cascade after shift i was dealing more dmg than my shadows

[eager mason]

and seems like a lot of mana

[flint turret]

also getting 1 point here increases your shred by quite a bit

it doubles the amount of hits from cascade for a single target

[eager mason]

hmm

I was checking that one for the tag

like its so weird

it gives throwing tag to cascade

the mana cost on ring worsk

[flint turret]

yeah

[eager mason]

but it doesnt make cascade scale with it

with throwing

[flint turret]

its pretty low damage if you dont spec into throwing, but im talking from armor shred perspective. each of your cascades will be hitting twice

[eager mason]

yeah makes sense

like the dive bomb one

[flint turret]

instead of 50 armor shred stacks you would have maybe 80, which is an okay difference

[serene crane]

Armor shred enjoyers

[flint turret]

yeah, i miss the armor shred effectivness for phys while playing cold\fire hs

well, at least we got ucenui

[serene crane]

Would be great if armor shred eff would make the Hs poison node better... 😄

ye Ucenui is big

[wary cedar]

we do phys heartseeker now?

i cant swap my hs build every week 🥲

[flint turret]

we = who?

there are no sources of flat phys bow damage in the game almost at all

mourning is cold, nightbringer is void

100 from drelkor is not nearly enough

[serene crane]

we who we who we who 🚔

I wonder If Salts would be worth going for with also t7 crit multi everywhere + MM passive 🤔 I guess I'll try it without it and just go for as much shred I can

Kinda sad I cant really see beyond the 999+ stacks tho

[flint turret]

there are no useful gloves instead of it anyway

atropy just maybe

i think concentration is also worth maxing for you

blood serpent in bd not that much tho

5% inc damage per poinbt sounds pretty terrible

[serene crane]

Sounds worse than Salts for sure 😄 like... I could keep Salts for %DoT and ideally shreds aswell... oooor throw them away for now before I get a better gear also slammed with t7 shred+crit multi (bow+Salts+amulet)

[serene crane]

Yeah its pretty mid there... I can max out Poison Tipped in core rogue, Concentration and Missile Mastery aswell If I drop Blood Serpent and Perfect Aim from MM

[flint turret]

i think salt with t7 shred is fine

yeah poison tipped looks betterfor sure

althou you shiuld worry more about stacking dot% and poison % damage because you already getting lots of chance from shred

like rings with double dot+poison

4lp tongues dont look bad either

[serene crane]

Yeah, I just found out I dont have any poison rings at all, only physical+dot

Nomad was just easy to get resistances for Null, even tho Im missing the other Nomad for void resist, I went with crit multi blessing instead

[terse bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjP63wvEHSE

6.5k corr orobyss/drag/harb

[flint turret]

oh

why are you not using bloodthirst in puncture? you dont wanna to use it manually to buff poison chance?

[daring yew]

The stacks don't last long at all and it's really annoying to maintain

[flint turret]

kinda true

[serene crane]

I could go for it, but yeah, stacks fall of fast and I dont think it would be that much better than just getting more armor shred on gear/passives

[flint turret]

Efficacious Toxin
You take 12% increased damage over time - is it more?

[daring yew]

Tried it when I was doing bleed hs and it felt like I had to puncture every other hs

[serene crane]

Could give it a try tho for bossing, for echo clearing its really not needed

[serene crane]

Yep 😄

[flint turret]

it should be more right?

its still worth using puncture just for this

[serene crane]

doesnt seem like it? 🤔

[flint turret]

doom says increased too

so its more most definetly

[burnt geyser]

increased taken = more damage effectively

[flint turret]

but you can get this on flask

[serene crane]

Eff. Toxin is also from Acid Flask which is there pretty much 100% time

ye

[flint turret]

and flask trigger on idol

also your hs tree is kinda weird

[night spruce]

Hey @flint turret , can I ask for your assist

[flint turret]

no againts all odds

[night spruce]

i was cooking acid flask actually

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omP5NbnB

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (23) / Falconer (57)

General:

▸ Health: 1,250, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 116.51, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 53 Dex / 12 Int / 8 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 11% / 11% / 11% / 11% / 11% / 19% / 19%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 438
▸ Dodge Chance: 20% (659)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (978)
▸ Block Chance: 10%, Mitigation: 13% (106)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 102%

Used skills:

Acid Flask / Explosive Trap / Falconry / Aerial Assault / Synchronized Strike

[night spruce]

am I going somewhere with this

[daring yew]

Challenge - make acid flask not the worst skill in the game
Level - impossible

[flint turret]

and 4\4 in attack speed for some reason

[night spruce]

They did just buff it

tho

[serene crane]

Its damage just for Hs, not for the ailments tho

[flint turret]

hi, i dont wanna dive into falconer tbh

pun intended

[night spruce]

well, it just seemed like the only one with acid flask synergy.

[flint turret]

based on what?

it doesnt specify hits

if you tried it and it doesnt work thats fine tho

i havent

[serene crane]

Well it say Heartseeker, doesnt mentioned ailments applied by it? Idk If it works for it or not 😄

[flint turret]

usually more multipliers in tree aplly to ailments unless they they more damage with HITS

[serene crane]

Bonepiercer says "bow damage" so I doubt that one works

[flint turret]

bonepiercer probably doesnt

althou worth trying it too

just spec one of them instead of attack speed and measure the timing to drop the dummy by 20% or whatever

[serene crane]

and attack speed just makes you shoot more Heartseekers, no?

[flint turret]

yeah but if odds or piercer works its will be MUCH better

odds might work imo, piercer shouldnt i guess

[serene crane]

Yeah sounds about right I guess... I'll try playing with it a bit today and see how it goes

[flint turret]

also maybe its worth to use poison hail of arrows and extend it with hs

because you have some more or less free points anyway

but you dont have much bleedc chance...

[serene crane]

Only like this I guess; If Bonepiercer wouldnt work... 10% less recurve chance from Bloodseeker is probably whatever at that point anyway 😄 swap Decoy for HoA and somehow dont get screwed by HoA's mana cost... Ive tried HoA at the beginning, then swapped it out

[flint turret]

dark quiver might not be the worst idea too

or gloom needle in hs

gloom is 30% more damage basically

if you spec smoke in shadows

[serene crane]

Against All Odds is 32% with 4/4 points 🤔 and Smoke is just increased poison chance

[flint turret]

we are not sure odds work even

i was taking both in my hs

[serene crane]

I guess I wouldnt even need the recurve there since I spam Hs all the time anyway... just passivly spawning black arrows to get increased poison chance and dot, dusk shrouds... frenzy there is nice, could drop 1 point from %dot for 2s Frenzy

[serene crane]

ye I'll check it out 😄 unless @daring yew knows?

[flint turret]

You can just check some frostbite hs planners, if they have it it works

[daring yew]

Not sure. I only played around with bleed hs for a little while

[topaz agate]

Good heart seeker build to follow is the Dragon song version on maxroll for clearing echos right?

[serene crane]

Yeah I didnt bother with checking other planners, I guess thats why it looks a bit messy 😄 but Decoy is pretty easy crit multi

Also what would be best ln 3lp bow... 100% Armor shred... T5 attack speed, %DoT/Poison... Poison chance not really with shred already there?

I cant check now for 4lp Acodfletch chances 😄

[night spruce]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7meaOmA am I going anywhere with this, guys?

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (30) / Bladedancer (23) / Falconer (60)

General:

▸ Health: 3,173, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 116.51, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 61 Dex / 12 Int / 8 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 68% / 68% / 68% / 65% / 76% / 67% / 158%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,111
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1330)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,064)
▸ Block Chance: 10%, Mitigation: 14% (122)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 102%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Acid Flask / Explosive Trap / Falconry / Aerial Assault / Synchronized Strike

[serene crane]

Nevermind 💀

[flint turret]

frostbite usually wants to use shackles+snowdrift+ucenui

[flint turret]

shred+attack speed sounds good, same for quiver

main concern is to where you gonna get lots of overtime and poison damage %

4lp tongue rings are the only decent candidates i can think of

maybe its worth dropping shred on ammy or a bow for it, needs calculations

[slate mulch]

if a skill gets enough - to mana cost that it becomes negative

does it restore mana

or is it just 0 mana cost

[potent arrow]

Awesome, gratz on the kill

[sick ivy]

just 0

[serene crane]

t7 bow speed sounds juicy on its own... but also t7 shred is huge 😄 shred on bow is suffix, so preffix is free for dot/%poison... not sure now how it is on amuletes, but I guess suffix aswell

ye I got 4lp Tongues, buuut... that really only got %poison damage... I just like Nomads there for Null resistances and big life 😄 ofc I can try getting both and see how it goes

[flint turret]

I mean there is so much shred and poison chance you can get, but at the same time I don't really see huge poison % or dot % increases

[serene crane]

Rings are kinda easy for that 😄 relic is, eh, also just Poison/DoT and crit multi

[flint turret]

Bow/quiver as/shred, gloves shred, amulet shred. Only things that are left are rings, relic, belt, idols

[serene crane]

It kinda amazes me tho someone killed Uberroth with it 🤔 I didnt find the vid tho 😄

[flint turret]

Even if everything is t7 maxrolled it's still not that much

[serene crane]

I think I got super good quiver for that build, just need to chaos that one prefix I think, havent done that yet

[flint turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOIg3-m8rGk

[serene crane]

Oh right, there is armor shred on helmet too 🤔

[night spruce]

Guys

i have a question

do Lightning nets change the dot to phys to lightning dot?

or is that just the base damage?

[flint turret]

is swaps bleed tolight shred

[night spruce]

Right

but not the phys dot over time?

[flint turret]

what is phys dot over time except bleed?

[night spruce]

Barbed Net

whatever that is

[flint turret]

but its just bleed no?

[night spruce]

it specifies it as something separate of the bleed/second

[flint turret]

faik you can still apply bleed from caltrops tho?

[night spruce]

yeah you can

[flint turret]

and caltrops will benefit from more damage from shock

[night spruce]

oh that's neat.

good to know

[slate mulch]

dang my work got busy again goodbye grinding

maybe ill just try the uber fight offlie

[serene crane]

I guess it would convert it to lightning damage per second and also applies lightning shred per second instead of the actual bleed?

[night spruce]

Yeah i was wondering what this phys damage over time debuff is exactly

and if that converts

[serene crane]

Physical tics that are no bleed for whatever reason.... idk the big brain idea behind this 😄 I guess If anyone played non-bleed physical build?

[night spruce]

aight ill show you guys what im cooking with

i dont think i saw anyone do that build yet

[flint turret]

ive seen bosses being one-shotted by stacked caltrops with gigadodge from potions from jungle

[night spruce]

This might be somewhere along that angle

[flint turret]

when they scaled diffeterntly on dodge

[night spruce]

Elaborate?

[flint turret]

it was 1% per 100 dodge

you could get like 50-100k dodge with shift, potions and jungle

[serene crane]

Just Falconer doing Falconer things right

[night spruce]

oh snap

[flint turret]

this stacks

[night spruce]

yeah i was thinking more so the shock angle

so the dodge bonus cannot go past 85% now, right?

[flint turret]

it was both shock+this

yeah

it was a super offmeta thing that almost no one used, i found out about it from dread i think, and shortly after it was fixed

[serene crane]

I remember caltrops with bleed... felt legit illegal 😄

[flint turret]

on the falconer scale it doesnt really matter

they can destroy everything with either umbrals or minion anyway

but net could be used by bd or mm... so it had to be fixed or they could try to reach a falconer

[night spruce]

lets see...

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5mEx6ZB something along these lines?

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.3

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (58) / Falconer (22)

General:

▸ Health: 2,404, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 191.51, Regen: 8.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 28 Dex / 1 Int / 7 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 54% / 62% / 94% / 78% / 65% / 77% / 44%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 842
▸ Dodge Chance: 68% (3508)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,663)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 96%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 72%

Used skills:

Synchronized Strike / Net / Shift / Shurikens / Smoke Bomb

[night spruce]

888% shock chance

[flint turret]

maybe? i havent played it. try it in offline

[night spruce]

i never did offline

😛

[serene crane]

Also, why tf does Hs move me towards the target? 😄

[flint turret]

elusive in shift might help too

[serene crane]

Damn, 3LP Salts is pretty damn high 💀

[flint turret]

Found a other hs Uber Abby. No planner tho. 14+ min fight. Vise gloves https://youtu.be/iOg13-d_Ha8?si=PCRQTztYNWJ9H_bt

[daring yew]

Hs probably feels so nice to play with wasd huh

Might have to try that

[serene crane]

100%

[zinc rover]

Any ZHP ballista kills on Uberroth?

[serene crane]

Hs with mkb must feel like playing bowling with your fingers broke with a sledgehammer 😄

[burnt geyser]

think someone posted it a few days ago

[night spruce]

Nope

caltrops sure is nice

but the net is shit :p

too awkward of a playstyle

So i was wondering

is frostbite acid flask a thing now?

[pearl forge]

you need to play that catalyst thing

and it is kinda bad for st but should be fine mostly?

[flint turret]

It was always a thing, but not the main thing

[slate mulch]

what are the convenient ways rogue can inflict blindness?

[night spruce]

how about now, after the buffs?

[thin quartz]

smoke / suffix

[flint turret]

Suffix on any weapon

[slate mulch]

i see

thanks for the info

[flint turret]

Probably should be working fine, but falconers are too busy killing Uber in 30s to play anything else

[night spruce]

you've strong feelings about falconers huh

[pearl forge]

well it is on outlier

[flint turret]

Probably less strong than you think they are. I'm playing cof and I'm not affected in any way, I just think the game overall loses became of them

[burnt geyser]

smokebomb

[flint turret]

It kills diversity and twists the builds perception because your power level expectations will be x10 times higher for builds after falconer

[night spruce]

is it the razorfall thing or something else?

[burnt geyser]

also disappointing they most likely didn't get to actually learn / experience uber

[spring hound]

@flint turret as far back as i can remember there was always absolutly dominating specs in every game 😛

diversity is an illusion xd

[flint turret]

Razor is a part of it, but mostly excessive amount of "more" scaling falconer has access to

And they keep adding items like razor and now inheritance

[flint turret]

Without a falconer rogue class is pretty well balanced with bd vs mm

Mm has less diversity but overall pretty much the same power level

[spring hound]

is it really tough, if you think about it or did you just not spend so much time thinking about that 😄

Personally I dont need balance in theese type of games tho, im fine with stuff being strong for various tasks

[flint turret]

I would agree with you mostly, if Uber didn't exist yet

[burnt geyser]

there is a difference between being 10-20% or even 2x stronger vs hundreds of times stronger which falconer currently is

[spring hound]

did you play d2, when only sorc could teleport 😄

Well both yes and no, I know what you mean but its fair in that way you know

[burnt geyser]

xd

[spring hound]

its not like making an uber killer is restricted ;o

[burnt geyser]

you are so delusional it's insane

[spring hound]

not really, if u wanna kill bosses you can make a boss killer in what a day and a half xd

[slate mulch]

now that im just going to offline, ill try it and see if it works

[serene crane]

I dont mind some big meta in games, its something devs cant really control no matter what, but when 99% come and play the single one/two builds with few variants, you know something isnt quite right 😄

[spring hound]

I played sorceress for many ladders 😂

[flint turret]

There is a difference between "Uber killer" that is tailored to be able to clear Uber more easily while sacrificing every other aspect of the game including clearing vs a mastery that blasts through everything at least 10 better than the other two adjacent masteries

I don't mind having Uber killer builds

[zinc rover]

Whats the easiest/smoothest variant of falconer? Maxroll umbral or divebomb?

[spring hound]

Ye for sure , i mean you're not wrong its just not bothering me that much from also enjoying other classes and specs

I mean it is strong im not arguin dat xd

[flint turret]

Its not bothering me too because I'm cof and i can just choose to not play falconer, but I want this game to be successful and this kind of stuff doesn't really help with it

[pearl forge]

it warps mg a bit but also both sentinel specs do too kinda

not that we care that much if you know how to make gold you will

just take more knowledge

ah some things wont ever appear on MG now tho

but havoc/redemption help quite a bit

just takes longer

[flint turret]

Devs are constantly putting themselves in a lose-lose situation refusing to quickly fix broken stuff. If it stays broken too long then no matter what you do, either fix it or keep it op af, there will be a backlash

[spring hound]

somehow it worked out in d2 😄

[spring hound]

y they are blasting :c

[spring hound]

umbral falconeer i guess

[flint turret]

D2 lives on nostalgia fumes mostly. There are lots of mods that tried to fix balance and became pretty successful as a result

[spring hound]

haha yeah maybe idk, i still play all versions of it 😄