#🔪┃rogue

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undone dune
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when everything has a max of 2 affixes it doens't really matter that you cheated to get them

lime sun
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Like is physical damage blessing be beneficial to the juse dual traitor's tongues build?

undone dune
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no

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you cant give phys to the bird

lime sun
undone dune
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crit multi transfers if you are running synch strike

rare haven
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heartseeker marks build which do u think would be better for chest since i cant get Null porent

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kestrel or woven flesh ?

undone dune
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i would just use a well rolled exalted over either

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you dont really need the +1 dex

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and you can get like 3% global crit and 35% crit avoidance on a rogue chest

lone beacon
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can also get tons of res. Which frees up idol slots for cold penetration.

rare haven
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thx

lime sun
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Can someone explain why I need to take out points from my umbral tree when doing uberroth?

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Specifically the bladestorm & the explosion thingie

lone beacon
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so the daggers don't get consumed and stay on the ground for the divebomb boost

lime sun
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Ohh they don't disappear ever?

lime sun
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At the bottom of the arena

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Stack them to infinity

lone beacon
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you can get up to 3 aerial assaults before any of them disappear. so if you have 10 daggers x 3 AAs = 30 daggers on the ground

lime sun
lone beacon
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No, it feels terrible for mapping. I spec them back for mapping and just rely on shadow daggers/AA damage etc instead of divebomb

lime sun
lone beacon
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not really tbh. I would prioritize the dex and MS on razorfall.

undone dune
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man where were these drops when I was actually playing ballista

slate mulch
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is the recommended number of gazes still 3

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before doing orobyss?

little flower
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blessed be the reroller

void atlas
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Hey guys i have a 4% Melee Leech Damage As Health stat in my Rogue, that i dont know where is coming from

void atlas
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and i dont have any passive, skill, idol or equipment that can give it

little flower
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is it from a blessing

void atlas
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ohh, let me check

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@little flower Love you

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i been 1 hour looking

little flower
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🙂

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ok think im done with falconer, 37 second abby kill

shy walrus
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guys, my umbral blades falconer, just cant seem to get off the ground 😦 i cant seem to get enough hp. or the LP's to slam anything =/ am i just missing something on this surviability?

lime sun
little flower
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sure sec

sharp ravenBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (61)

General:

▸ Health: 2,392, Regen: 48.17/s
▸ Mana: 219.46, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 44%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 185 Dex / 22 Int / 22 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 116% / 158% / 116% / 90% / 120% / 110% / 83%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 478
▸ Dodge Chance: 60% (2449)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,494)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

little flower
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lots of room for upgrades still too

little flower
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one more 1lp ring will get me 200 dex, need better slam gloves, helm, belt, and hopefully 2lp boots someday

lime sun
sharp ravenBOT
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:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (11) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (57)

General:

▸ Health: 2,421, Regen: 35.77/s
▸ Mana: 130.92, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 39/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 128 Dex / 13 Int / 13 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 86% / 73% / 82% / 92% / 90% / 74% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 484
▸ Dodge Chance: 32% (988)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,184)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

little flower
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ive been running him since 82ish but had a lot of luck with gear

lime sun
little flower
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no mg

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3 failed slams on that

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which cost me about 2.1ish b

lime sun
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Ouch

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Oh you're just made of money, I understand now

little flower
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yessir

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didnt start this character until i had about 10b

lime sun
lime sun
little flower
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i started as shaman so my build was cheap to get running high corruption

obtuse hamlet
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Anyone found a way to make bleed/poison heartseeker work in super endgame? I have been trying for a while but it just seems to be bad.

lime sun
little flower
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imprinted t7 void damage axes

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belts with hybrid health were big money for me as well

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also sold a lot of nihilis since i didnt need early on, once i was at uber the relics just print you money

undone dune
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idols are alos the secret money makers

little flower
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1lps go for 900-1b regardless of roll

undone dune
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if you know what good rolled idols look like they can easily be couple hundred million

little flower
undone dune
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was there a 1x1 with %mana or something?

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is there**

little flower
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mana/mana regen with health/mana

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those were 200m minimum after the big inflation

sick ivy
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you mean the blue gear vid? yeah that kill is in offline, but terek who showcases it is one of the maxroll guidemakers so no funny business apart from speeding the process to get to uber aberroth. basically just shows how busted the dmg of that mastery is, that's all.

slate mulch
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what do u guys think of this setup

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kismet, shurikens shadow cacsade

elder condor
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So how much would all health idols cost

lime sun
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@little flower @undone dune I appreciate the trade secret, thanks a lot guys

little flower
undone dune
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the health/health idols are legacy now afaik

little flower
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weaver idols too stronk

undone dune
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the popular weaver idols are the 1x1 mana/mana ,the 1x2 Health+ele res, the 1x2 health+frialy, and the 2x1 vit+res

cosmic briar
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ye, weaver idols are perfect for money making

undone dune
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also some people like the penetraion and flat throwing/spell so those are listable

cosmic briar
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also t7 dex probably on any item minimum 50m

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and up to 1.5b depends on over mods and item type

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same for CDR boots/belt

lime sun
cosmic briar
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also i stil selling daggers with t7-t5-t5 melee-melee-phys pene 1.2b ea xD

lime sun
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Got it. Btw what's the main differences between bow vs dual daggers build? I'm currently on dual daggers, but maxroll has been advocating bow builds

grizzled harbor
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What's a good Marksman Rogue Heartseeker Build? I heard there's an Ice one that's really good, but I lack any links to it.

cosmic briar
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different nodes and more damage in general for bossing. Probably find perfect 4lp talons is nearly unreal

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i think with minmaxed setup (all 4lp items) bow will be stronger

lime sun
cosmic briar
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but it will be a way more difficult to setup

cosmic briar
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With bow u have more CDR and probably can hit one more dexterity upgrade (cos u have dex on quiver)

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Daggers are a way more common ( i mean, with high LP its not SO problematic to roll them, since Talon have 4 diff rolls wich u wanna roll)

slate mulch
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is there no way to search for experimentala ffixes?

lime sun
slate mulch
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i cant price check them

cosmic briar
lime sun
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Oh 1 important thing I forgot to ask - is there a sequence of the 3 falcon skills that I need to order in the action bar? From left to right

cosmic briar
cosmic briar
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one of our passives works with left skill

lime sun
cosmic briar
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nevermind, just put it there ><

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i am too sleepy for search, or it doesnt matter with my current version with sync strike

lime sun
cosmic briar
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just place on of those skills on first slot

lime sun
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Aerial assault - dive bomb - falcon strike

cosmic briar
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anything else doesnt really matter

lime sun
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Ok got it thanks a lot man

undone dune
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that is the only important part

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this passive

cosmic briar
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ye, its it. Just too sleepy

warm zephyr
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is there a good way to stack a huge amount of Dusk Shroud on Marksman for Phase Point quiver? outside of getting swarmed by a bunch of trash mobs and dodging a lot (not an option in scenarios without lots of trash mobs)

wanton sable
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is divebomb falconer better than umbral blades falconer?

undone dune
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idk what you mean by divebomb falconer

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most divebomb builds use umbral blades

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and the umbral blades build uses divebomb

wanton sable
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I saw this one. It's different than the umbra blades one I am using which is the maxroll onehttps://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BG6adXYQ

sharp ravenBOT
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Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 2,276, Regen: 133.56/s
▸ Mana: 126.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 133 Dex / 13 Int / 13 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 70% / 70% / 85% / 89% / 65% / 70%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 455
▸ Dodge Chance: 50% (1896)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,273)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

undone dune
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thats the budget version of the 30 second ubberoth boss killer

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its very good at single target dps

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but im not the biggest fan of it in echos

wanton sable
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So the uberroth falconer is really just for that one thing but it doesn't do well in echoes like speeding through how umbral blades is?

undone dune
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its kind of up to personal preference there I think

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from experience the daggers build was a much faster uber kill

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but i like the feeling of bow more at like 1000 corruptoin

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going even a little past that and both builds got 1 shot too much for my tastes

wanton sable
undone dune
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bow just has more damage per dagger

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so the small mobs die to random explosions

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the melee weapon setup needs to wait for divebomb to kill stuff

wanton sable
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So the divebomb build is a little clunkier/slower for mobbing echoes but the melee build nukes solo more than the bow version

undone dune
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kind of?

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i dont think its fair t ocall a build that 1 shots most champions at 1k corruption slow

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it just has annoying times where like 1 mob doesn't die

slate mulch
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For life builds is pure life better or life + ward gen?

undone dune
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also falconer in general feels super clunky to me due to AA constantly interupting movement

slate mulch
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Most skills in LE have unnecessarily long and clunky cast times that stop movement

wanton sable
undone dune
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yeah and they made getting the correct 1lp slam on everything free now

undone dune
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how much ward are you generating, are you investing in endurance

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how much life?

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do you have a good source of ward retention

hearty bison
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what is stronger fire or ice heart seeker

plush stratus
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Their any builds that use Gathering fury

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i been wanting to lvl a rogue and just had a 3 LP drop

slate mulch
cosmic briar
loud arrow
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When did the heartseeker build became a flamethrower? 😄 Trying to decide if I play it or umbral blades

cosmic briar
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u stil will be able to kill uberroth, and not much slower than with this version

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but u will feel yourself A WAY better on maps

loud arrow
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I do have a LP3 Talon, and only LP1 Dragonsongs tho

cosmic briar
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i dont know much about HS build, so answering only on falconer questions. Talon is useless for HS xD

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probably i can say it matters wich content u wanna play more

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if mapping - just go HS

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if uberroth - just go umbral falconer

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anything else is really doesnt matter wich build u will take

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since HS havent problems on over bosses in general

undone dune
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people were actually talking today about going hybrid and using RoW (the cold bow) but using fire convert HS anyway becuase dragonfangs just adds too much damage

loud arrow
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What one has less buttons to press 😄

cosmic briar
cosmic briar
loud arrow
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I will try the falconeer

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Is the Maxroll build guide still valid or is there a better builder or etc somewhere

undone dune
sharp ravenBOT
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Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 2,276, Regen: 133.56/s
▸ Mana: 126.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 133 Dex / 13 Int / 13 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 70% / 70% / 85% / 89% / 65% / 70%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 455
▸ Dodge Chance: 50% (1896)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 27% (1,273)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

undone dune
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That is the budge/starting version of the falconer build

cosmic briar
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also ROFL about budget version amulet

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i am very sorry, but this amulet is priceless XD

undone dune
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yeah i think thats just to show you the mods you want

cosmic briar
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ye

undone dune
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also crit multi very good on that neck

cosmic briar
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but anyway i strongly recommend bow version instead of this

undone dune
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i think the maxroll guide has a decent gear setup for bow

cosmic briar
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not really, nihilis is bad trust me

undone dune
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oh

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true

cosmic briar
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dont really do anything usefull except implicit and all res, but u can get even more res on exalted amulet

undone dune
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so just do what the dagger build does but with a talons and any quiver with t7 dex

cosmic briar
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also with throwing and something usefull

loud arrow
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I have nihilis and null portent... and probably some red rings that are I haven't LPed yet (this is my... 4th char)

cosmic briar
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also if somehow nihilis will go to negative armour... RIP

cosmic briar
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maybe only if u have perfect one with 2lp... but why not to sell it then

loud arrow
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it doesn't matter since this char is lvl 70 and can't equip shit

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because I am COF 😄

cosmic briar
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Best strategy for amulet is just take throwing+m.dmg+defensive exalted one and hunt weaver runes

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after that just buyout any weaver amulets with 10-13 weavers will for nothing and open them

loud arrow
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That planner doesn't work for me anyway since I can't equip half those things. I will have to follow the MR one until I get to lvl 80 or so

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something like this

cosmic briar
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but since u will wear ucenui dont forget node wich convert damage on blades to cold (right top nodes) and took increase cold damage blessing

cosmic briar
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oh! u can took Death Rattle

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its not so rare and have good benefits to falcon

loud arrow
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I have like 3 of each Erased and Death Rattle

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llet me see

cosmic briar
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for defensive option Svine is also very good

loud arrow
cosmic briar
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well, open inheritance, maybe u will be lucky as hell

slim breach
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2 questions: does anyone know if Crimson Shroud ("Picking up a Black Arrow grants ... a stack of Crimson Shroud ... granting you bleed chance and less damage over time taken") gets the bleed chance converted to frostbite w/ Troaka's Teeth? I don't actually know what the extent of Troaka's conversion is, since I'm pretty sure Puncture's node for bleed chance ([Bloodthirst], giving stacks of Bleeding Fury) is converted. Even if Crimson Shroud only adds bleed chance on puncture hits, that'd be worth noting (for puncture shotgun clear w/ HS).

Second, more general: does anyone know the resist cap on enemies? Basically, at what point does pen% stop adding damage?

cosmic briar
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About first question idk

slim breach
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Do we know if enemies only drop down to -75%, though, or can they go further?

loud arrow
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I need a boot and a quiver. Will probably gamble something

cosmic briar
cosmic briar
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just took CDR and Dex as many as u can

glass stag
cosmic briar
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AHAHAHAHHA ROFLMAOOOOO

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11.5m

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probably bro dont know about stat changing echo or cant pricecheck items

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1.5b boots for 11m, hell i love MG

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best 11.5m invest in my life roflmao

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hope one of those 2 attempts will be lucky

lime sun
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Rip

cosmic briar
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-1.5b again. ok.

lime sun
cosmic briar
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uncollected?

lime sun
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You know, the ones which you can't redeem due to gold cap

cosmic briar
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ah. Around ~40b maybe

lime sun
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Wow LOL

ocean ember
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Cant you choose 1 affix to be 100%?

cosmic briar
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if u mean MG search

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if u mean slam, yes, t2+ temporal sanctum allow u to choose 1 affix

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anything else will be random

lime sun
little flower
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here i am dumping gold into a falconer and some dude just killed ubby with blue gear lmao

undone dune
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ive never seen the divebomb detonating explosives trap variant i assume its playable with talons?

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(this is what the guy with blue gear was doing)

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also this guy claims he spent 3 hour of attempts to get this kill

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because of how squishy the character is

undone dune
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its an edited offline character with perfectly rolled blue gear, 0 idols 0 blessings

cosmic briar
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well

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its just utilize that shit here

undone dune
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yeah

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i understand all the pieces

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never saw it put togeather

cosmic briar
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XD

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I can bet is for fun only

undone dune
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well it was to prove a point

cosmic briar
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For falconers are broken as hell? We know that already and i can bet devs know too

undone dune
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the devs seem to think that midnight aviary being uncapped is hte issue

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or at least they claim thats the issue

cosmic briar
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also i can bet he can just use synch strike with that gear

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results can be even better

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XD

little flower
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we hit health finally 🙂

undone dune
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this guy has what a 2.5 second CD on AA and no reset from bow/boots? that mans he has at most like 13-14 umbrals in the ground on average

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midnight aviary being uncapped cant be the issue

cosmic briar
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100500 iteractions between many sources of damage is issue, and it is seems unfixable, maybe only with full rework of falconer

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in current state they only can kill it fully or any fixes will not work i can bet

undone dune
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yeah they would have to nuke falconstrikes whole tree and make the skill benefit itself not like the falcon as a whole

undone dune
cosmic briar
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reroll 😄

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but gz

little flower
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damage not an issue, surviving was though 😅

cosmic briar
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weeeeeeeell

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cant say it will make a big difference between 2k hp and 3k hp even...

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since most of our survivability came from shrouds, dodge, less damage taken etc...

little flower
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a lot of my overkills were by 400-600 when i was at 2khp

cosmic briar
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lazer will oneshot u with any amount of life so idk

undone dune
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2kp his not very much

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i generaly do echos at like 3k

little flower
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ive managed to get up to 2640

cosmic briar
undone dune
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😱

cosmic briar
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and if i swap gear to %health one and get to 3500

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it doesnt make any diff, really

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things wich kill me at 2k stil kill me at 3.5k

undone dune
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i mostly just swap to t7 dex chest for boss and use t7 life chest for echos

little flower
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also using poor mans idols

cosmic briar
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so necrotic lazers, sometimes explosions from golems... and thats all tbh

little flower
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necrotic lazers dont give a damn about your defenses

undone dune
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they do if your a pally with the maja shield

chrome ferry
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If i use the new bow skill Heartseeker, it cost 3 mana, if i have a item that lowers mana cost by -4 will passive nodes like the Sapping Strike that give mana on skill use if cost 0 mana, Will that then start working on Heartseeker?

undone dune
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🤔 I want to say yes

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but i havn't actually tested the interaction

chrome ferry
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Same but im not sure 🙂

undone dune
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what are you lowering the manacost with foot of the mountain or something?

chrome ferry
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no there is bow that lower it by -4

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Drelkors something

undone dune
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it should be easy enough to test

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just shoot a few ele arrows to drain your mana fist

chrome ferry
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Yah but i dont' have a rogue at that level yet

undone dune
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im not really sure why you would need the mana generation though tbh

chrome ferry
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Just trying to fint out how i want to build. before i invest into it too much

undone dune
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what are you planning to spend the mana on

chrome ferry
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I like to do out of the box builds, and have found the belt that cast metaor on crit,

undone dune
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i see

chrome ferry
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But it Cost ALOT of mana

undone dune
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well sir i wish you good luck cooking that up

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but i feel like you would want to use dragonsong for that

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heartseeker has a node that gives it mana on hit which gives a ton of mana back

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because of the recurve chance

chrome ferry
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Yah have been looking at that, but the problem is it cost a lot of mana an like to get more mana back

undone dune
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and you want to convert to fire anyway due to dragonfangs being such a good sourceo fo spell flat damage

chrome ferry
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and the bow is the only items that can lower the skills mana cost to 0

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so i can benefit form the gain mana when using 0 cost skills

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so problem is there are only that one items that lower cost for the rogue

undone dune
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this regens an abusrd amount of mana

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its not uncommon to get 20 hits from a single use

chrome ferry
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Yah, but would still like to benefit from the mana on cast of 0 mana skills

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was really that i was trying to get going

undone dune
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yeah

chrome ferry
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if that was possible 😭

undone dune
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you can ge what 8 mana per use?

chrome ferry
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🙂

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There are 2 nodes that give mana on 0 mana use, one in the general passives and one in the marksman

undone dune
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the one that makes bow skills cost more will not be nice to you

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that will apply before hte -4 cost not after

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so after like 2 points it will cost 0.1 mana

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and you get nothing

chrome ferry
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So +23 mana

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But it say it give mana if using 0 cost skills

undone dune
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if you put 5 points into mana warp HS would cost 5.75 mana

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and the -4 would not make it go down to 0

chrome ferry
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depends on what is applied first?

undone dune
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the talent is applied first

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always

chrome ferry
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Hmm okay good to know

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But thx for the good ping pong 🙂

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maybe i just need to level up and give it a try and see how it go

undone dune
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yeah its a funny idea

chrome ferry
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Yah i think so, and that way i play 😛

undone dune
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i still recomend dragonsong over compass though the extra flat spell damage and crit chance will go a long way

pearl forge
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wonder if it is worth to use coated blades with any vers of HS

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it is a lot of dmg

undone dune
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if you mana on ues you can use a 0 mana cost throwing skill or something

chrome ferry
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Yah, its a better bow for it, if it can keep the mana up

undone dune
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from a ring mod

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just spam a few nets to get mana

chrome ferry
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yah, have been thinking of that but just use cinder strike

tribal hearth
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how come my DOGE is 0 -> 0% even if im wearing items with dodge rate?

cosmic briar
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and i found that i soon will run out of MG favor

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XD

cosmic briar
waxen delta
tribal hearth
radiant flume
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would be my guess

tribal hearth
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you're right

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i ahve 71% glancing blow, is it better than dodge?

cosmic briar
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with your HP pool - i dont really think so xD

lime sun
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Am I supposed to put on t7 dex on my null portent rather than t7 health?

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I only have 128 dex atm

cosmic briar
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if main target is uberroth - dex, dnt give a fck about life on him

lime sun
vivid ice
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BTW, for a quiuvier DEX is the 1st option to aim on right?

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Also do have sense having more than 100% shred armor? 😛

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Its mean 200% = 2 stack per 1 attack?

undone dune
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you only need 100 stacks of armor shred though

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HS generally gets enough from quiver innate+passive tree

pearl forge
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nah man go to 10000 armor shred you unlock the shiny unicorn skin

short bough
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Heyo @here looking for a Bladedancer for some coaching - willing to pay! - I can't seem to find the right video's on YouTube to learn what to do and how the end-game works. I can figure it out, but cba to spent so much time researching, better to ask questions to someone who can teach me, so I better understand

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Or a rogue - ...

pearl forge
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well what do you enjoy about bladedancer there are diff builds although not everyone is playing all of them

#

you have things with cascade or shadow daggers

#

then lethal mirage

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and some dancing strike things

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then poison or bleed

#

I only really play lethal mirage

#

oh and also throwing builds like shuriken or chakrams too

graceful hare
#

willing to pay...

Gaming has changed in the past 20y. Not everything got better 🙂

short bough
#

I can ask personalized questions to someone for 1 hour

#

Or study YouTube for 10 hours

#

Time = Money for me

#

And I know how much people love to teach others

#

Many do it for free, I am valuaing their time.

wary cedar
#

@short bough you can just start out with anything you think is cool, and then here and there post your current build here and get a few tipps

wary cedar
#

for me the most fun bd build is with synch strike and shadow cascade

#

its not crazy strong but its very fun to play if you get some gear to get going

short bough
#

I like to play a build that is ranged and can fast clear

#

I enjoyed Multishot Hunter for a long time playing D4 for hundreds of hours

wary cedar
#

you said bladedancer no? if you want ranged you go marksman

short bough
#

Yes, I want to get high, but not compete with the best builds perse

wary cedar
#

oh boy do i have a build for you

short bough
#

Just want to grind over and over, and find upgrades

wary cedar
#

do cold heartseeker buid then

short bough
#

It is because I don't have that much time for games, so when I play I just want to shut of the brain and play

wary cedar
#

its strong, but not that strong as if the end end boss is easy peasy

short bough
#

Now it feels like a complete study again, as I had with PoE2

#

Kinda waste of time for me, and reduces the will to play the game

#

A little nudge would a player like me a lot

#

Just want to blast end game content

#

Echoes on an efficient level (not perse highest level)

wary cedar
#

i would recommend to focus more on dmg earlier on to get the faster clear

short bough
#

So for example. To push rifts, I could do a level 150 rift, but I played level 120 rift so I can clear within 3 minutes and keep blasting, while still rewards and progress feels meaningful

wary cedar
short bough
#

Yeah, that sounds about good stuff

#

I have a blade dancer now

#

But need marksman

#

I am lvl 68

wary cedar
#

yea you can respec

#

just need a littel gold

short bough
#

Okey, will see and try

#

How does this build work

#

What is the core of the build that makes it work @wary cedar

#

I see cold damage and crit

wary cedar
#

your core attack is heartseeker

#

those are like autoaiming arrows

#

other spells are shift for mibility, smokebomb for defensiv and the other two are autocasted with items and skill points allocated

short bough
#

okay aoky

wary cedar
#

the most import thing to get when starting out with this build is to get the bow with the crit + bow attack speed prefix

#

also the boots are providing massiv dmg buff

short bough
#

Can I get it easy through this?

wary cedar
#

then you just want to stack as much dexterity as possible

wary cedar
#

from the timeline boss

short bough
#

Timeline = campaign?

wary cedar
#

nah the monolith

#

each different there is a timeline

short bough
#

Oke let me check that

wary cedar
short bough
#

How do I unlock it

wary cedar
#

start with the lowest one, you have that unlocked

#

then you clear the levels there and build up the so called timeline stability

#

after two quest locked behind the stability you can fight the timeline boss

short bough
#

I have max Stability

wary cedar
#

that unlocks you the next timelines

wary cedar
short bough
#

this

#

I can travel towards it

wary cedar
#

then you unlock the next timeline

undone dune
#

you just click the name on the list

#

its not a travel to it thing

short bough
#

Okay I am on it

wary cedar
#

and then you want to go like this, thats the shortest way

short bough
#

Ah yes I see the path

wary cedar
short bough
#

I feel like I got a crappy build now

#

I have build shuriken (no chakram)

#

but throwing Acid Flasks is more damage

#

because of +throwing damage

wary cedar
#

what faction are you on?

short bough
#

SSF CoF

wary cedar
#

yea ok

#

just look if you can slap some more dmg onto your build to overpower these levels

#

or in case you want to switch to marksam already you can also take some other bows for starting out, your crit rate jsut gonna be a bit low if you dont havbe the crit prefix

short bough
#

Okay

#

Will allow the loot filter to pick up bows

wary cedar
#

no

#

we dont do that here

#

also he wanted a build with no thinking much, with dragonsong you need to dodge no? xd

#

but tell me why

short bough
#

Question: What do those Weaver Eggs do on maps?

#

"Silken Cocoon"

wary cedar
short bough
#

Okay cool

#

What do they do?

wary cedar
#

@copper rapids the difference between the build is just the bow no? so swapping bow and reallocating some skill points for hs is not that much i think, so i might can rock both builds

#

its like 10 points or so

#

but thats like 1-2 echo to get that back

#

ah

#

but that hasnt anything to do with changing the build like what i said xd

#

i also liked to get these here

#

for the mana stuff

#

i could n lived without

#

but do you as well still specialize into cinder striker for the dagger dmg?

#

because only spending like qhat 10 points sounds like a waste

#

but main dmg is the fire thing from the bow not the daggers or

short bough
#

Question: After you've completed an Echo, do you always need to open the chest?

#

Or can you "save all loot up"

#

for a bigger pay out later?

wary cedar
#

but would be a cool feature, maybe suggest it to the devs x)

short bough
#

Okay will do

wary cedar
#

i just cant not open them

#

because my brain tells me a dark quiver with a lot of usefull points alocated beats the 10 points cinder strike but idk

#

i dont even pick up double exalted 💀

#

thats sound like some crazy shit i m most likely not wanting to try out xd

#

what do i want from t6 / t7 or something

#

better give me double t7 at least, or triple exalted

#

maybe he just gaslighted y'all in dragonsong because he couldnt aquire the lp2 row xd

#

double exalt is also t6 t6

#

like i switched from dragon to row in early monolith, and it felt much better for me idk how it is about end end game nwo

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but as i said, its just some points being changed and a different bow, so i might try someday

short bough
#

When fail an Echo, does it have any downsides?

wary cedar
#

i think i lost my only good lp3 slam i had from dragonsong when i disable scf xd

wary cedar
wary cedar
#

but that isnt efficent farming then ig x)

#

ok gonna check out some dragonsong shenanigans later then

keen snow
#

im following the umbral blade falconer build on maxroll.gg had a question about farming my first razorfall

wary cedar
#

well i mean i breeze through 500 with cold hs as well so there will be not much different maybe, idunno

keen snow
#

does it matter which timeline i do prophecies on to get razorfall

keen snow
#

alright

#

ty

wide oar
#

I'd usually just pick the timeline with the most useful boss loot

#

(often reign of dragon for the relic) but its build specific

wary cedar
#

the only boss i cared was killing heorot before he goes into his shield, but since i dont need to farm him idk xd

wary cedar
#

what is that

#

for what do you need that?

keen snow
#

or even worse, killing an arena boss

#

:cringe

#

so yea

wary cedar
#

does dq has so many usefull points? i feel like i run of usefull points since i m not casting it

#

ah ok

short bough
#

Is this any good?

wary cedar
# short bough Is this any good?

you can try to upgrade uniques with zero legendary potential there, got a few nice things from this definitly a grind mechanic later on for you

short bough
#

Okay okay cool thanks

keen snow
#

ok fiunally

#

i can finally get my build going

undone dune
#

Dungeon prophecies are the best though

#

so fast and only 3 options where they can be

wary cedar
#

i was using this skill tree so far

undone dune
#

i prefer not playing wack a mole with random bosses i have to kill

wary cedar
#

you can also put in

only monoloith
and no monolith

then you just get generic kill enemies quests

undone dune
#

ohhh

#

thats good tech

#

so its just like "kill x champiosn" and "kill x mages" ect?

keen snow
#

tyvm

wary cedar
#

kill nemesis

#

stuff like this

#

hmm yea i figure

#

gonna try out later

#

maybe i can get myself a dragonsong soon, i ll have a meeting in a few minutes

#

xd

cosmic briar
#

I fckin hate videogames...

wary cedar
#

then i dont even need to skill into puncture no?

cosmic briar
#

32th times...

wary cedar
#

i mean specialize puncture, if i dont use it in hs, and use diffrent quiver anyway

short bough
#

What is weaver's Will? (12)?

wary cedar
#

yea and the frost quiver was for puncture, so just pivot completly away from that, and take cinder instead

short bough
#

What is the highest tier?

wary cedar
#

25 afaik no?

short bough
#

Oke cool

wary cedar
#

ik ik, but he wanted to knwo the max xd

short bough
#

Can you "salvage" gear? Or only sell it if you happen to have vendor loot?

wary cedar
#

yes

thin quartz
#

btw, have you slammed the lp3 row that i gave you?

short bough
wary cedar
#

open craftig menu and choose the rune of destruction on the item you want to salvage

#

you get some runes for that depending of the afixes of the item

thin quartz
#

oh okay

short bough
#

The rune of shattering?

#

But it costs a material

thin quartz
#

i might wanna farm another lp3 row

#

for pen affix

wary cedar
#

you do this

#

and then shatter

short bough
#

Ah yes, thank you

thin quartz
#

yeah

rapid sinew
#

if i wanted to optimally farm some reign of winters how would you guys suggest doin a spam for them?

cobalt mantle
# short bough Ah yes, thank you

For rare affixes or ones you really need immediately, use rune of removal instead. It gives you max shards possible from the affix it removes, while shatter gives a random number of shards.

wary cedar
#

@copper rapidshttps://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B40z7baB something like this would work no? ignore the res for now x)

sharp ravenBOT
#
Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Rogue (26) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (71) / Falconer (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,353, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 169.03, Regen: 12.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 65/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 137 Dex / 13 Int / 13 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 93% / 87% / -4% / 57% / 78% / 153%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 673
▸ Dodge Chance: 64% (2966)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (567)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

slate mulch
#

I do enjoy being one shot

serene crane
#

This is the way

wary cedar
serene crane
#

How is your superior flask build doing, Blume? owobyss

wary cedar
#

i got gaslighted into trying dragonsong again

#

so we ll see

serene crane
#

Big fireworks gaming

wary cedar
serene crane
flint turret
wary cedar
sharp ravenBOT
#
Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Rogue (26) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (71) / Falconer (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,353, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 169.03, Regen: 12.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 65/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 137 Dex / 13 Int / 13 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 55% / 87% / -4% / 57% / 78% / 153%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 673
▸ Dodge Chance: 64% (2966)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (567)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 35%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

flint turret
thin quartz
#

small upgrade

wary cedar
#

very small

serene crane
#

Hey, we dont judge upgrades here like that, alright

wary cedar
#

i just repeated what he said

#

:(

serene crane
#

Na-ah

wary cedar
#

:(

thin quartz
wary cedar
#

from double t7 to t7/t6 how come?

thin quartz
#

2 affix / 4 affix

#

oh wait. i didnt show the peak i slammed was lp4

#

my bad

wary cedar
#

yea lmao

thin quartz
wary cedar
#

now get one where the bow dmg is t7 xd

thin quartz
#

that would mean triple exalt + another lp4 peak

wary cedar
#

UPGRADES

#

people upgrades

serene crane
#

when that good exalt finally drops

wary cedar
#

embed fail

flint turret
#

Burning daggers node is a trap

flint turret
wary cedar
#

how you skill smoke bomb?

short bough
#

Question: What does it mean when some items are in FULL CAPSLOCK FONT?

wary cedar
short bough
#

idk, could be haha

serene crane
#

It definitely is 😄

teal lagoon
#

any umbral blade falconers have issues with mobs with bubble

#

those "less damage taken from distant enemy" bubble

short bough
#

okidoki! 😄

serene crane
teal lagoon
#

I'm standing point blank next to mob n it's still doing less dmg

#

idk how to mitigate the issue

wary cedar
#

dont play falconer

teal lagoon
#

nice

#

alr guys guess I'm changing to marksman

wary cedar
#

one of us

#

one of us

flint turret
wary cedar
wary cedar
#

what?

flint turret
#

I don't know such passive

wary cedar
#

the dmg buff is from affixes then or what?

flint turret
#

Damage comes from hs consuming shadows and umbrals

wary cedar
#

oh there

flint turret
#

Or you can get it in dark quiver

#

Up to 300% more damage per skill use with 3 shadows out

wary cedar
#

how many poiints you put iun gloom needle?

flint turret
#

It would require keeping track of number of shadows so I'm not doing it

pearl forge
#

lets goooo

#

after missing 3 3lp

#

i hit the 2lp

#

classic

flint turret
teal lagoon
#

should I slam - Umbral Falconer

short bough
#

Question: are these Experimental items any good? Never seem to have found anything useful?

#

Is it useful to even kill that mage?

undone dune
#

stat priority is 10% flat cirt + AS (hybrid) -> phys pierce -> minion bow right?

#

for slamming talons

#

i guess crit multi is good too for umbral blades damage

terse bloom
#

0.56s roth

short bough
#

What do these things do?

pearl forge
#

they summon mobs in a rena echoes

short bough
#

Okay thanks!

pearl forge
#

getting closer to uber pulling

#

now i only need to reroll more the other red ring

#

see if any of the 2 3lp blades hits

#

and change idols from dmg to more heal+ward thingy i think

#

oh and change blessings

#

belt nor boots got cdr rip but at least they hit the life

flint turret
pearl forge
#

when i change things i will get less ress on other places and titan is better than null

flint turret
#

With 2h it arguably is yeah, my point was that all that overres is wasted without null. Even tho null can give more reduction than titan

pearl forge
#

nah when i change idols and blessings

#

most res will be like 10% over or less

flint turret
#

Nice

pearl forge
#

and maybe get a 2lp nihilis

#

may have less res than mine

#

i got him to 34% earlier without doing any change

#

when i still had the 2 julra rings etc

#

blade of chaos kills me randomly many times ahaha

flint turret
#

Niiiice, getting there

#

Are you recording at least?

pearl forge
#

wonder how much dmg i lost will do a fast check and see

#

im "working" rn

#

just using anydesk to remote home

flint turret
#

Why no vise btw if you already decided to use Uber items? It's huge for reduction

#

Gigantic even

pearl forge
#

+1 shadow is too much dmg

#

but i would use it yea

#

will see first how it goes

flint turret
#

Makes sense

paper leaf
#

😦 i had to buy the 4lp quiver i was stupid waiting >->

chrome sleet
#

What kind of builds can I try for falconer that don’t really involve umbral or ballistas?

wary cedar
paper leaf
#

O_O

#

new meta?

wary cedar
#

@copper rapids decided its time to move on

paper leaf
#

tell me the new meta than heavybreathing

wary cedar
#

dragonsong xd

paper leaf
#

i need to buy the troaka 4lp

#

for next upgrade Q_Q

#

and i can't buy it coz i've 1.4kkk

#

and can't reclaim items for 1b

#

XD

flint turret
#

Awesome clearing

wary cedar
#

imma just do shadow cascade now

#

🙏

serene crane
#

Time for the big spins

teal lagoon
chrome sleet
lime sun
#

@cosmic briar this is 1.5 bil right?

thin quartz
serene crane
#

No way.... 😄

lime sun
chrome sleet
#

Is MG/COF locked to your whole account or can I make a new toon and go market? All my current ones are cof. Want to make some gold lol

wary cedar
#

but noitice that certain items you get or buy need a certain faction level to equip then

chrome sleet
#

Ah yeah that makes sense

thin quartz
wary cedar
thin quartz
#

then this is probably 53 gold.

wary cedar
thin quartz
#

aww pak mi eye sight. i need glasses now

lime sun
#

lol

#

tbf the boots does need to be processed first

#

I'll try putting it up first and see if anyone want it raw

#

if not I just convert it to dex + movement speed + cdr + dodge/whatever

wary cedar
lime sun
#

that's good enough for a 3-lp razorfall

serene crane
#

Nah bro that t7 isnt even maxxed...

lime sun
#

when you're at 3 lp plus, you're desperate for any usable exalted tbf

#

and 1.5 bil is not really a big sum atm

wary cedar
thin quartz
thin quartz
wary cedar
heavy jewel
serene crane
flint turret
wary cedar
serene crane
serene crane
wary cedar
#

but if he says its getting better on the first round he pretty sure going to have like +3 or something, makes his eyes look huge

#

he ll be looking goofy at least

#

👁️ 👁️

serene crane
#

Maybe he could zoom out of his character even more now to see 3 screens away omegalul

wary cedar
#

nah +3 would move everything closer

#

i ditched shift now

serene crane
#

Big jumps now! You can jump from Forgotten Knight right to the aberroth gate omegalul

pearl forge
#

ah damn i got him to last phase

#

but he did the slam

#

unluck

paper leaf
pearl forge
#

well now after work i will farm some more get the last slams and tomorrow i kill him for sure

wary cedar
flint turret
#

Traversal smoke enjoyers arise

wary cedar
#

feels like arieal assult movement, good thing i played that a bit last cycle

#

but you guys now that my skin doesnt fit with fire built 😭

twilit hare
#

It’s hard to say goodbye to shift

paper leaf
flint turret
wary cedar
#

after i prepare stuff it should be easy to switch around the two builds

flint turret
#

I tried Uber for a day with shift+bladeshield, and traversal smoke, and I liked the results of trav smoke more. The only good thing about shift is a second cleance

paper leaf
#

i just found a rlly good quiver on market but g ame kicked me >_>

#

and i dont have enough money on pocket to buy

#

coz i can't claim item from market REEEEEEEEEE

#

i was thinking to do 4lp quiver with
Atk speed t7
Dex t5
res (cold or phys)
shred armor

With chance to shred armor i gain dmg and i can remove few skill points to gain more stat from my passives

flint turret
#

You don't need any extra shred for hs bro

#

The innate 100% is enough

wary cedar
#

i m just waiting for my imprints to do stuff 🙏

paper leaf
#

that one?

#

i wanted to remove this

flint turret
paper leaf
flint turret
#

You don't need neither passives nor affixes for it on gear

paper leaf
#

never read this

#

lol

#

ok now i've to spend 3 more points on tree xd

daring yew
#

Wait do I have that on my hs

#

Oh god that would explain a lot

flint turret
#

Omg bros read your nodes at least

twilit hare
#

xD

pearl forge
#

just in case

daring yew
#

Reading is hard

pearl forge
#

to avoid that 1bil redeem

#

problem

paper leaf
paper leaf
#

XD

flint turret
#

Pretty much. Slow or blind can be decent if you know what you are doing with them

daring yew
#

Chance to shred armor could be good on quiver if you're missing it now with that hs node. Not sure if you already have it

flint turret
#

Chill can also be considered as +1 skill to hs if you run cold

daring yew
#

That's kinda better on gloves tho imo

#

As long as you have 50+ shred stacks you're golden

flint turret
#

But that node alone is enough for it, and everyone has it because it's a path to puncture trigger

daring yew
#

Fair

wary cedar
flint turret
#

Why you wouldn't want it tho?

wary cedar
#

i was thinking to ditch it when i swap and try out dragonsong again

#

like why would i need it?

flint turret
#

It's more dragonsong proc

#

For free

#

Oh nwm

#

It's not

#

Hmmm

wary cedar
#

i would specialize into hs, decoy, dark quiver, smoke bomb, cinder strike

flint turret
#

I still don't see a reason not to take it tho

#

It's more aoe for free

wary cedar
#

yea but if you dont skill it your recourves hs arrows move to new enemies upon dead

flint turret
#

Okay yeah it is more dragonsong proc afterall, you confused me

#

So it's a win win anyway

wary cedar
#

so dont take cinder for better dagger dmg

#

isee

flint turret
wary cedar
#

cinder

#

skill tree

#

better dsagger

flint turret
#

But dagger sucks hard anyway

#

Why

wary cedar
#

yea thats the question

#

whats better

#

dagger or ouncture

#

because if dragonsong i take different quiver

flint turret
#

Puncture ofc

wary cedar
#

so no more puncture quiver

#

so i wondered

flint turret
#

All dagger does is eats your mana for no damage

#

You take sanguine unique for dragonsong most likely

#

It's good on cold/row too

wary cedar
#

whats a sanguin

flint turret
#

Quiver

wary cedar
#

was thiking of phase for dragonsong

flint turret
#

Phase is always good with black arrows

azure wasp
#

how do you measure your DPS as falconeer?

flint turret
#

But I'm talking about DPS setup

wary cedar
wary cedar
flint turret
#

Not really, they apply only to black arrows shots while 25% attack speed affects all shots

wary cedar
#

ah i see

flint turret
#

And 2lp phase is a pain in the ass to get with good rolls

wary cedar
#

then i just use the frost quiver anyway

#

got it lp4 so

flint turret
#

It can roll super low on +skill or black arrows on dodge and be useless

#

And you can easily miss a second affix

#

That's fine too

#

You have lots of flat cold anyway from boots

#

So it's not useless for sure

#

And most of your dragonsong proc damage is cold too

wary cedar
#

imma try get this then

paper leaf
wary cedar
#

i m not having

paper leaf
#

😄

flint turret
daring yew
#

What a beautiful quiver

#

Gl getting that exalt

pearl forge
#

do you think flat lightning and flat void t7 is better than lightning and multi?

wary cedar
pearl forge
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im having second thoughs now that i dropped this

flint turret
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All your light pen/shock/shred/ucenui won't be affecting that void dmg

pearl forge
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BBC gives pen to void too

flint turret
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But it's still not terrible

pearl forge
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and i dont run ucenui i just dk if it is better flat dmg goes hard

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but multi affects everything

flint turret
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Probably light % is better

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You get lots of crit multi from sword Implicit already

pearl forge
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% was kinda bad last time i slammed it

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i already have like 1300% already from lots of shits

flint turret
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Hmmm

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That's pretty high, how did you manage to get so much

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Without ucenui even

wanton sable
wet bear
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i hope falconer gets hard bonked next season

flint turret
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Link a planner

wet bear
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it feels too unfair to play

pearl forge
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ah nvm it is kinda bugged

wet bear
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i need to play something else

pearl forge
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i have like 500 onmly

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movespeed shit

wet bear
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thats just like money printing

flint turret
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That's more believable

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Light % ftw then

wet bear
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i just wonder if there are undiscovered builds which can potentially do uber

pearl forge
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i guess %melee is better

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hmm wonder if there are any

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ah rip there are none

flint turret
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Melee can work okay too, it will apply to void too, even tho they don't benefit as much from shred/shock

pearl forge
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think for now i just slam this one

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getting others is kinda hard

flint turret
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That's a lot of crit multi

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Looks really good

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Just need to get light % somewhere

pearl forge
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i will cry a little if i miss again

daring yew
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BBC enjoyer

serene crane
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It amazes me how I keep getting gear for about every rogue build but not the one I play

flint turret
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Not like this Facepalm

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I always slam like that too tho

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17 consecutive miss for 2lp, I hit it only on 18th recently

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1 or 2 3lp among them too

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No damage for all your mana gone

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No one is stopping Bee

wary cedar
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i will stopp him

paper leaf
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is this good to slam on a 4lp quiver?

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rools seems "good" enough?

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wut?

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ah

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mm..

wary cedar
paper leaf
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that the only t7 t6 on trade :C

wary cedar
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you play mg by choice

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so thats your problem

daring yew
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Real

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Every season I tell myself I'll try mg and then say hell no when it's time to choose my faction

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Cof bis

serene crane
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Damn right

wary cedar
daring yew
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F

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Are you really a cof player if you're not a serial hoarder

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I have 70 tabs of junk I'll probably never use

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What if I need it in the future tho?

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Crit multi is kinda bis on any crit build tbh

flint turret
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I was keeping t7 multi t5 flat crit in case I'll wanna swap to dragonsong Bee

daring yew
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:clueless: <- me

flint turret
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It can be, if you use gathering fury and spec 2 points in hs flat crit

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It's a poor man's solution, not propaganda

pearl forge
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you play with what you have

serene crane
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Must... equip... gathering fury... many... lethal mirages from... gathering fury...

flint turret
daring yew
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Lethal mirage seems really cool for bossing but how is the clear with it?

flint turret
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That's the best part, you don't Bee

daring yew
flint turret
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Eh, it's more or less okay, just need to get used to having a clear skill on cd

daring yew
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Only dancer build I've really played is lightning chakram

wary cedar
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would be cool if this would continue leveling wihtout giving more skill points, just to have something to collect

elder condor
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The things I have to put up with you rogues

serene crane
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with Black Blade you only run into having a LM cooldown when you use LM to kill that one tiny zombie without anything else around to hit so it doesnt resets your cooldown 😄

daring yew
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Interesting ty

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Might have to give it a go sometime

flint turret
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I was considering it for hs coupled with black arrows shadow consume +300% more damage but haven't tried it

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300% with 60% looks like a ton of damage on paper

elder condor
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How does umbral falconer not really have mana issues?

wary cedar
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ok getting this was easy, now the exalted bow....

flint turret
daring yew
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Gl blume

serene crane
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Dont you get mana on hit with falcon or some crap like that?

flint turret
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Yeah and it's pretty unfair for bd who has to use 80 mana to throw 5 umbrals

wary cedar
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but maybe bladedancer is becoming a new skill in the future i think, has one less than the other

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so yeah, lets get some copium

daring yew
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That would be cool

flint turret
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Hopefully it will be as perfect as HS GigaChad

daring yew
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Ye the ability itself is really cool. It doesn't hit as hard as I thought it would tho

flint turret
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Once you finish that 3lp song it will be better a bit

daring yew
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Being forced to be in melee range on a bow character is a little cringe tho

flint turret
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Meh, you are anyway in melee range most of the time on harbs or abby

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For monos just swap to row

graceful hare
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I stumbled across a planer, where Juse uses Inheritance of the Erased, with + increased Minion dmg affix.
Taking the text literally I would have assumed that this does not work and that the Choosen Buff would have affected the minion of the minion here.

But yeah, Juse is Juse. That brings me here to confirm it:

So in this case the + minion dmg kinda "double dips", right?

wary cedar
daring yew
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Dang. Highest I've seen is 21

wary cedar
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shall we roll it? omegalul

daring yew
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Gl

serene crane
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Vendor it before falconers see it

daring yew
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Do falconers actually use that?

wary cedar
daring yew
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I saw a vid of a falconer doing uberroth in magic gear and vowed never to touch that broken spec

serene crane
daring yew
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Lol

serene crane
daring yew
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Rise up my fellow falconer haters

dusky schooner
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crit multi and maybe pen are probably the only two great stats on it

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throwing damage can be good still but wont give pet anything extra, but it's one of the strongest damage scalers

wary cedar
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yooo the streak lmao

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will there be a 4th one?

graceful hare
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I'm more interested in the general mechanic and thought if not the falconers here, who knows best. 🙂

I understand a bit the bias against Falconer, it's super imbalanced. But honestly, the current falconer bashing gets to a level here lately, that is a bit childish imo ^^