🔪┃rogue

[dusky schooner]

the issue is the high end content, aside from uber aberoth hasn't progressed

[flint turret]

It kinda did tho

Possessed enemies are much tougher

And champions

[dusky schooner]

irrelevant to the conversation (I agree) but those arent the showcased videos. The bigger issue is the boss killing, is it not?

[flint turret]

Yeah Uber Abby is in a weird spot for sure

[dusky schooner]

And theyre kind of different builds. Like anyone pushing is going to do emperor of corpses or w/e the dragon's name is

[serene crane]

Well that weird spot is 6feet underground whenever falconer walks in

[daring yew]

That fight is unbearable on a low dps build

[flint turret]

He's like a Lagon harbinger that you meet during a campaign

You just don't expect that power level

[dusky schooner]

The other issue is with current interactions, falconer is either going to be a dead class (i dont see why you'd want this) or overtuned. They'd have to rework all the multipliers

[elder condor]

Is razorfall new in 1.2?

[dusky schooner]

No

i used this exact build in 1.1

[flint turret]

If they bring it to mm or bd lvl no one will play him anymore

People got too used to the power tripping falconer provides

[dusky schooner]

i never played anything other than falconer, so i can't comment 😄

[serene crane]

Swapping off from falconer must be like going through a rehab

[daring yew]

I wonder if a chakram enjoyer has killed Uber abby yet

[dusky schooner]

actually razorfall was even stronger in 1.1 also heh

[flint turret]

Yeah I played 1.0 lots of falconer and then going back to sd bd in 1.1 was... Not the best experience, even tho it's super strong and I could 1-2tap any boss during a campaign

It just doesn't compare

[dusky schooner]

actually 1.1 brought in traitor's tongue, talons of valor and razorfall, didnt they?
1.2 is shattered worlds and new amulet (if you want it over nihilis)

so falconer got such a big spike in 1.1

[flint turret]

Talons were in 1.0 too

[dusky schooner]

oh

i played low life in 1.0 so i was a cleaver solution enjoyer

[serene crane]

You definitely want Erased over Nihilis

the birb is playing the game together with ehk, not you

you only pick up the loot for the birb 😄

[dusky schooner]

such a hard question to answer, it's probably right, but 2 skill points, giga throwing damage and the defensive on a 1lp nihilis is huge. Getting a good erased is difficult

and i dont know what stats would be best, aside from maybe crit multi

maybe my thought process is off, but:
For inheritence, the strongest stat has to be crit multi. I can't think of anything better or as impactful to transfer.

The strongest amulet stat for damage is throwing damage, which does nothing special on inheritence.

If you have inheritence with both, prob great. Otherwise, nihilis with throwing probably wins?

[elder condor]

Dang I didn’t play falconer in 1.1 so idk how strong it was back then

What did they nerf about razorfall?

[dusky schooner]

was 2 umbral per 30 dex, now its 1 per 20

[elder condor]

OOF damn lol. That must of been a shit load of blades then omg 😭

[dusky schooner]

i dont think anyone paid attention to midnight aviary but me in 1.1 😄

i dont remember if empathica did as well

[elder condor]

What is midnight aviary again

[dusky schooner]

the one that makes shadow birbs do more damage per umbral on the ground

[flint turret]

I was always saying it's super strong

But I preferred specced umbrals myself

[dusky schooner]

was also a weird one to figure out, esp in echos with obscured grounds

[flint turret]

I'm also amazed no one uses net for Uber abby

Forbidden and forgotten tech from advanced civilizations

[elder condor]

You rogues have gone out of control for way too long

[flint turret]

Falconers* not rogues

[elder condor]

I remememr first playing rogue when game came out and shadow daggers was busted with synch strike I think? Just daggers going off everywhere and then that build reigned for a long ass time.

Synch strike dahs and there’s daggers killing everything. Not sure what they did to that build a long time ago

[flint turret]

It wasn't changed almost at all. Single target even became better

No one plays it mostly because of a falconer

[serene crane]

Im also a bit surprised they havent made more uniques for shadow daggers... like.. you know... maybe an actual dagger weapon? 😄 there is Penumbra, but... 💀

[flint turret]

And not a single throwing weapon still

[scarlet citrus]

its my favorite build still

it cant kill uberroth or push 1k+ but it is pretty viable overall

[flint turret]

1k shouldn't be an issue

I was doing 700 in 0lp+exalts in 1.1

[scarlet citrus]

yeah you're right I mean super high corruption that we see falconer doing rn

[flint turret]

Ah, for sure

[elder condor]

Y’all think it’s crazy how there’s no umbral blade cap with razor boots?

[silent relic]

The number of builds that aren’t sentinel or falconer that can handle uberroth is pretty low I think

[flint turret]

And that it costs no mana too. Bd has to use 60-80 mana skill to create 4 shadows to throw umbrals with them while falconer throws triple the amount for free

[pearl forge]

what i find so silly is they hard capped shadows fron sync strike

so as bd you cant have 10 shadows

[elder condor]

They’ve done us blade dancers dirty

[pearl forge]

but faconers and others can just cruise with 30 umbrals

[flint turret]

That is one of things that annoy me the most on bd for sure

[elder condor]

And I use to run blade dancer when game first came out.

[junior oriole]

unique design in LE is perplexing

[pearl forge]

well i tried to post about it when i found out just hope they change or do something

[junior oriole]

on one hand you have razerfall...on the other hand strong mind

[pearl forge]

because now BD has nothing special

apart from dancing strikes that kinda sucks

and needs DW

[flint turret]

It never did. Mm and falconer could always get the same 5 shadows as bd

Now bd can get 6 i guess with a champion suffix?

[pearl forge]

yes but it is nothing crazy

[junior oriole]

even in the same patch there is countenance of majasa vs ravager's dart

[flint turret]

Yeah

[pearl forge]

they needed to swap HS from dark quiver

so any spec could use the specialization

and then it would be kinda good support or even used as BD

with throwing

or who am i kidding would just be another falconer thing

[flint turret]

It can be okay yeah

[sinful anvil]

Even if I don’t have the legendary‘s “required“?

[junior oriole]

the rogue is also the only classes where masteries don't coordinate at all...BD stuff needs melee weapon and MM needs bow...no synergy

[flint turret]

Ravager is such a bad design tbh

[serene crane]

And falconer needs a spear

or, the superior choice for falconer... staff

[junior oriole]

it's why they need to make items like jhelkor's knife and now the ravager's dart so that there is some crossover possible

[flint turret]

And both are useless

[elder condor]

On razor fall is the haste affix important or

[junior oriole]

jhelkor wasn't useless...it had it's day under the sun

ravager's is just a big question...

[serene crane]

wdym, Juse has killed Aberroth with staff falconer in 1.6s today? 😄

[elder condor]

Guys the sentinels next door have just sent me this video https://youtu.be/DEu3CsFIQ5g?si=JX6I6ZZp14sKeTXG

[flint turret]

I was talking about jelkors and dart. Falconer can kill anything with a spoon and it won't surprise me

[gentle basalt]

i saw vid of pretty cute ravagers setup today for burning dagger flat for acid flask explo trap

did not looked that great but it was something i guess

[junior oriole]

do you think ravager's is too powerful for MM and hence they added the line of only 1 active HS?

and gutted it before release?

[flint turret]

I think they tried it at 200 corr it was okay and they called it a day

Same for blast rain da after nerf

[serene crane]

dev#1: "Phew, nice! Shade of Orobyss at 200corr done, nicely fun and viable for endgame content! We're done here."
dev#2: "But sir, we go the whole ub-!"
dev#1: "I SAID WE'RE DONE HERE!"

[flint turret]

Blast rain da was outperforming ravager dart by a lot - nerf that shit to the ground

Weird times we live in

[serene crane]

Watch EHG nerfing shadow daggers because some falconer used to it melt Uberroth in 35s

[fallen forge]

play hearseeker it's easy to build early and the bow is easy to get

[manic prism]

geniune question why so many bladedancer uses bladestorm, only one of it hits anyway i dont get it

[pearl forge]

applies debuffs

[serene crane]

• looks pretty damn cool

[flint turret]

It makes umbrals seek enemies

When you smoke and create shadows they create umbrals which are not necessarily in the detonation radius of an enemy but they seek it

[manic prism]

debuffs also applied from one tho with reduced chance i believe

right?

[flint turret]

Well, and they do hit while doing so to, so it's a win win

[flint turret]

Only sd application is reduced

It didn't have this reduction before so they were used without explosions a lot. Now when it's a thing, most sd builds use explosive umbrals(but still get bladestorm)

[slate mulch]

I think I may just falconer to farm

💀

I have no falconer specific gear and some random uniques and I am outpacing 2 LP bladedancer

[gentle basalt]

i think its meant purely as utility with the autocast, and it lining up with the CD node on heartseeker too

or maybe damage like hoa but that sounds useless

[serene crane]

Yoooo you know what would be cool? Node in shuriken that would replace your shurikens with Umbral Blade (1:1), while keeping both shuriken+umbral skill trees... then you get Eye of Reen+dagger; Dancing Strikes with shuriken throw node, Flip of a Coin and SD application nodes.... then you just keep dancing and absolutely demolishing everything with huge umbral blades spinning around you, giving you huge armor, phys shred, armor shred, big SD procs

[slate mulch]

What is the shuriken throw node?

Dancing strikes has a way to autocast throw shuriken?

[pearl forge]

yea

[paper leaf]

i still miss enough gear to do uber aberroth 😦
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Davyray/character/Davyray_Heartseeker
I need more gear REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[slate mulch]

Oh I see that’s where the kismet sword thing can work

[serene crane]

I wonder how that Kismet works with blade armor tho 🤔 like... blade armor has duration, you make it 100% pierce... does it get the throw damage for entire duration or just the first hit? 😄

[scarlet citrus]

i was absolutely sure they were gonna nerf it in this season, kinda surprised me that they did not touch it

[flint turret]

This already has better gear than I killed Uber Abby with

[scarlet citrus]

i don't think they should cap razorfall though, gear investment should always make you stronger, they should just increase the amount of dex per umbrals or something

which yeah would result in the same thing but in a better way i guess

[solar cliff]

Uberoth has been dying in less than a minute ever since I switched to daggers and divebomb falconer

Around 40 secs per kill

[scarlet citrus]

yeah my first kill was with talons of valor and ucenui setup and it took 2 and a half mins or something

after switching to daggers its just silly

[solar cliff]

Apparently you can do it with double hand axe as well

I've killed it around 30 times today 🤣 mostly for others, I gotta find 4lp daggers and see how crazy it gets

Saw someone doing it in 25secs

That's wild

[scarlet citrus]

i must have killed him 70+ times looking for that 2lp shattered worlds

still nothing

[pearl forge]

2lp shattered is very rare

[solar cliff]

Same here, still only 1lps

[pearl forge]

can go more than 200 times

without seeing it

[scarlet citrus]

i got two 2lp gloves at the same kill though

[pearl forge]

damn that is big

[solar cliff]

Save them all and Pray the gods you rerolled into something good

[serene crane]

Doesnt really sound any rare for something like falconer, comeon... 😄

[solar cliff]

Judgement pal still more braindead

[scarlet citrus]

nah

judgement pal takes like 12 min to kill him

[solar cliff]

With falconer you gotta do the mechanics well

[scarlet citrus]

cant really farm that way

[solar cliff]

Or 1 shot

[pearl forge]

that reminds me i still have to do my 350 envy scrolls and aberroths

zzzz

man doing lagon gets so tiring

but any day now i will drop a 3lp blade

[scarlet citrus]

i got almost 500 envy scrolls to try and get a 3lp world splitter but man i dont feel like doing it

[pearl forge]

i wish we could go infinite on stability

having to use them 5 at a time

is so AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[scarlet citrus]

same

[serene crane]

Its probably way better to do any other timeline boss with envys, then use the woven harb echo in Lagon timeline

[pearl forge]

maybe i do the event horizon tech just for p1

[junior oriole]

I can't even find a 2lp world splitter:(

[pearl forge]

i think if you one tap him fast enough he does not do the interphase

[scarlet citrus]

i got one with melee attack speed but i kinda regret not doing armor shred lmao

[pearl forge]

armor shred is better on other places

weps have big affixes

[scarlet citrus]

for es void knight tho you can't really get it anywhere but gloves, and since you have a small number of hits you really want a high amount of shred

[junior oriole]

maxroll suggests armor shred on weapon

[solar cliff]

Is voidknight killing as fast as falconer?

[scarlet citrus]

not even close

much harder kill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm1zVIVCw3k

i stand corrected

[slate mulch]

what is the absolute fastest most reliable falconer clearer for echoes?

[scarlet citrus]

i guess mine doesnt have as good gear

[slate mulch]

i want to see just how much it can zoom

[solar cliff]

I do it in around 45/50 secs

[scarlet citrus]

for clear you want the OG umbral version

[solar cliff]

For 10k corruption the daggers one kills the shade very fast

[slate mulch]

og umbral and daggers = same build i assume?

[solar cliff]

No

[slate mulch]

o

[solar cliff]

You want the bow and quiver set up to clear

[scarlet citrus]

not really, you can do it with daggers

[solar cliff]

But either works tbf

Like he said

[scarlet citrus]

I just mean you don't do the last two builds juse is doing

invest in umbrals instead

the midnight aviary minion version has pretty atrocious clear

i don't like it at least

[slate mulch]

is this pretty much it? https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/kc7yp0ir

[scarlet citrus]

yes but you need like 100 more dex

[stray notch]

what would a mono clear build look like

[scarlet citrus]

just make sure you get these points

[slate mulch]

no wonder why dex was so expensive

in gear

[scarlet citrus]

and get a lot of dex to benefit off your razorfall

[stray notch]

you think you could link me a decent clear build? im like a week deep into last epoch and apparently ive been perma using the bossing build to clear my monos Q.Q

[scarlet citrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGAR1AwfIeo&t=1s this one

you can see his clear in the video

its the one I use outside of just pure bossing

do the budget version first of course because he has pretty insane gear

[eager yoke]

Hey guys. I'm rolling the cold heartseeker build and I got the stuff to make it functional. Mainly with 1LP. But I'm a little lost on how to upgrade it? As in, which item is good to upgrade first, if that makes sense

[solar cliff]

Any heartseeker killed uberoth so far?

I'd like to try

[serene crane]

Yeah, Ragu

Maybe Aeon by now too? Also some youtube guy

[dreamy quail]

why can't i find this item in build planner on LEtools site ?

[flint turret]

Wait what

It's not THAT bad I swear

[serene crane]

Are you sure you're set class to rogue? 🤓

[flint turret]

Same as any other build. Look at lp lvls, prophecies or mg prices and decide based on that what to upgrade first

[dreamy quail]

oh, didn't notice that. thanks

[flint turret]

It's actually true, his last message that something is wrong with my planner

[pearl forge]

he was not ready

[flint turret]

Wtf bro

[tepid steeple]

I got a 4LP traitor's tongue, can anyone suggest me a build for it that can kill uber aberroth?

[thin quartz]

wait... what just happened

[serene crane]

We just proclaimed you dead, murdered in cold... ba dum tss blood by Ragu

[flint turret]

I was framed

[thin quartz]

what did i say.

[thin quartz]

i was binge watching YOU, on netflix. and i ltierally just finish the last episode.

i logged in yesterday and today to run abit of temple and out.

yeah, the rav gloves and null + x2 RR was key all along.

nope

used peak

[flint turret]

I don't like it being called a tank strat, it got much more damage than I initially intended for Uber and it still wasn't tanky enough to not being one-shot by 3 sector or overhead mace

[thin quartz]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

[thin quartz]

it is.. a tank strat no matter how you slice it

[flint turret]

I wanted to use tundra to leech and match int with 2lp row but I didn't get 2lp row so there was no need for tundra and I decided I can live without leech afterall

[pearl forge]

wait until you see mine kekw

[thin quartz]

this logic will never make sense to me with your previous action.
i'll pull some basic numbers. brb

[flint turret]

I don't mind

[thin quartz]

per orb gains 30% for the last 12 seconds.
without int=/=att means only get 4 orb for last 12 seconds
4x 30% = 120%

with int=/=att means 12 orb all the time for the last 12 seconds
12x 30% = 360%

bear in mind, these is "INCREASED cold damage"

[flint turret]

Not the first time, not the last time either

[thin quartz]

lemme know if im wrong at some point

[flint turret]

So far it's right

[thin quartz]

so that's the math for ucenui right?

[flint turret]

Yes, 120 vs 360%

[thin quartz]

so now here's what im confused by your action.

you gave up lp1 RoW or even a easy lp2 teeth.

i'll pull a very average number from row and teeth.

[flint turret]

I have 4lp teeth I didn't want to use it

It's too high end

Yes but I didn't want to miss another 15vtimes in a row

Before I try uber

Troaka is for sure better than what I had, I just didn't want to reassemble the res on my gear nor to use 4lp to slam. That's the only reasoning.

[thin quartz]

RoW:
40 flat cold
40 flat cold spell
7% cold pen
Teeth:
13 flat cold
70% increased cold damage.

now, ALL OF THE ABOVE, is MULTIPLICATIVE with Throne of Ambition, 40% MORE.

[flint turret]

Tronw has nothing to do with it for the most part, it's multiplicative to cold % too

[thin quartz]

exactly, those are the damage you didnt take with you. and its average item. im not talking lp2/3

[flint turret]

The only difference with row from fury is that throne don't affect 70 light implicit

And I wasn't saying that fury is better, I just didn't have 2lp row

[thin quartz]

i just said even a lp1 row tho.

[flint turret]

Meh

50% attack speed is huge

And 2 extra lp

[thin quartz]

yeah, just like your reasoning of trying to match this.

[flint turret]

I think my reasoning is pretty good tho

240% cold from ucenui is huge

[thin quartz]

and i pulled the numbers out here.

[thin quartz]

you think all of this + Throne loses to ucenui 240% INCREASED cold damage?

[elfin brook]

failed eggs no LP 😦

[flint turret]

40-50 flat is not really better than 50% attack speed when I already have 200+ flat

But attack speed directly affects my sustain

[thin quartz]

you just used the same arguement you argued against that guy few days ago.
"we already have so much flat we dont need any more flat"

[flint turret]

Yes and it's a valid argument. Although I didn't say we don't need, I said it can be as good as attack speed

While attack speed also increases sustain and flat does not

[thin quartz]

okay, gimme a moment to show you something

[thin quartz]

so you use gathering fury because you feel attack speed is very important, right?

[flint turret]

Wait I didn't even get with the math back

[flint turret]

I used it because I couldn't get 2lp row but I did get a pretty good 3lp fury

If I had 2lp row I wouldn't bother with fury probably

[thin quartz]

okay, i'll rephase.

you think lp3 fury wins lp1 row. ya?

if its a lp2 row, can i safely assume your slam will be crit hybrid + crit multi?

[serene crane]

Dont worry they'll be super useful to reroll that 1LP you'll eventually get

[pearl forge]

i have rolled a ring 5 times and still no 5 stat on that one

unreal

[flint turret]

In terms of damage not necessarily, I had 2lp row with shred suff, and I'd say they are the same in my setup in terms of DPS. I tried it on regular aberroth and I didn't see any relevant difference in the kill time

[pearl forge]

it is 1 to all stats

important

big G

[thin quartz]

?? stop trying to backtrack.

[pearl forge]

ye big

[flint turret]

?

I'm answering your question bro

2lp row with shred is 1lp row

[thin quartz]

okay, then lemme understand this sentence even more clearly to clear any confusion i may have.

[thin quartz]

you think lp1 row vs lp3 fury has the same damage given my math above regarding row + teeth + throne?

[serene crane]

? 🧠 turtle your 2LP RoW so you get 0LP, then Nemesis it and try getting 2LP RoW 🧠 ?

[flint turret]

Don't bring teeth in this, I already gave you my explanation about it. Other than that, yes, I prefer 3lp fury with ucenui over 2lp row with shred suff+ucenui

[thin quartz]

somehow i cant bring teeth into a... cold heartseeker build..... but you stated that ucenui's int/att buff is huge

[flint turret]

Damage is the same but health on hit isnt

[flint turret]

I would have used teeth if I had it slammed alright with 2-3lp

I'm not arguing about teeth at all

It's super good

[gentle basalt]

theres a lot of talk about math here yet noone actually did any smh

[flint turret]

I wanted to but didn't have a chance yet

[gentle basalt]

the AS from fury is ~33% more damage, the flat alone if you have 200 flat is 25% more damage on row

[thin quartz]

okay you know what... lets follow your lead.
am i safe to assume that if you have lp2 row, you would slam
Crit hybrid
Crit multi

[flint turret]

okay, ill bring math later, lets finish with your questions first, yes

[wary cedar]

can i have someone to hold my hand?

[thin quartz]

okay, so now we determine that you decided to use Fury because
1: you couldnt slam lp2 row with Crit multi
2: lp3 gathering better than lp1 row because attack speed big increase.
am i correct for this

[serene crane]

https://tenor.com/view/penny-wise-it-hi-hello-wave-gif-17406921

What now

[flint turret]

pretty much yes, i already said this multiple times

[thin quartz]

but this is your hs tree.
you didnt take 30% crit multi
you didnt take 20% attack speed.
you took.... chill on hit...???

[wary cedar]

could we ask mods for gif perms for #🔪┃rogue

[flint turret]

10% crit multi is terrible value for a point, same for 5% attack speed. chill is defence

[dusky schooner]

is falcon base 30 for skills? or is that just for auto attack

[serene crane]

@fathom pawn I've kidnapped Gregory's cousin and Im not afraid to use force to sacrifice him, we demand gif rights in this channel or bad stuff might happen to Gregory's cousin

[thin quartz]

10% crit multi is terrible value per point.
but that's the 2nd BiS affix to slam on a crit on hit bow build...?

5% attack speed per point is terrible but 50% on gatherfury is.. goood?

despite allllll these, there is still a Throne that gives 40% MORE to cold

[flint turret]

so far everything is right yes

[gentle basalt]

no, its hard to calculate actual dps, its insanely easy to calculate % damage differences

from each stat

and % damage difference is the only thing that matters when comparing damage from gear

[fathom pawn]

Go ahead, no likes that cousin anyway. He made Gregory cry.

[flint turret]

if we compare 10% crit multi in hs tree or 5% attack speed in hs tree to other points, its loses to all of them

[thin quartz]

there. like i said, you defend ucenui int/att match to gain 240% INCREASED cold doesnt make sense but all you i guess.

[wet prism]

Who, Frank? eh. keep him

[serene crane]

Just kidding, it was Gregory all along!

[thin quartz]

mods... EVERYBODY HIDE

[gentle basalt]

they have same build, they are comparing gear choices

so not rly

[wary cedar]

||they cant see us if we write like this||

[flint turret]

i mean... whu dod you junp again to ucenui, lets finish my tree at least

8% MORE damage per point, much more than 10% crit multu or 5% attack speed

10% MORE damage, much more than 10% crit multi or 5% attack speed

[gentle basalt]

thats not how it works at all no

more as = more shots

that then recurve

[flint turret]

whe the hell i should take 10% multi or 5 AS instead of 8 and 10% MORE damage

[gentle basalt]

its separate multipliers

[thin quartz]

right now, you're talking about the trees that doesnt involved with our topic tho

[flint turret]

what

bro

[thin quartz]

you see.. you speak of this but you dont take lp1 row / teeth

[flint turret]

its you who asked why i didnt take those

[thin quartz]

i dont have any issue with that 2 node

i WILL also max those 2 nodes for uber. so what are you on about. why are you defending that two node??

[flint turret]

so why did you bring my tree into discussion saying i didnt get good nodes

i dont understand

lemme get back with the math on row\ucenui then

[thin quartz]

because of this. that you agreed

[flint turret]

how is this relevant to my tree

[thin quartz]

👀

[flint turret]

ofc i wouldnt get AS in tree if i already have 75% AS on a bow bruh

[gentle basalt]

btw the as small nodes suck ass on heartseeker treeidk why ppl click them ngl

its like 3% damage per point vs 8% damage per point that is right below

[flint turret]

deminishing returns bruh

[thin quartz]

diminishing returns because of your bow that you choose in the first place

[fathom pawn]

Gregory is with me

[gentle basalt]

no its 3% per point without fury

with fury its even worse

[thin quartz]

please dont forget this

[gentle basalt]

but its terrible without it already

lul

[flint turret]

can i get the math already?

[serene crane]

Bad news, Ive tried my best but Averielle is just too good

[wary cedar]

try better pls

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-pigeon-petting-petting-gif-21309567

[serene crane]

Thats Frank in a Gregory halloween costume

[wary cedar]

tell them they made me cry now

[serene crane]

Community managers? 🤔 Thats pretty serious accusation I think and should not be investigated but solved right away by allowing gif rights in this channel

[gentle basalt]

monkey paw curls - only naruto gifs allowed in rogue channel

[serene crane]

oh...

[wary cedar]

i feel like i saw that before

[serene crane]

I think it happens quite a lot with this specific hat... at least I saw most of it with that one

[wary cedar]

maybe its like some secret plot, hat will be new end end boss

[serene crane]

It might even be a hint... there is a feather...what else has feathers? The god damn falconers!

[pearl forge]

the hatbelt

have to relog just in case

[flint turret]

okay here we go, my setups with row vs fury
1lp row:
256 cold flat+8phys flat bow damage+18 cold(the difference of throne that will increase row flat but wont increase fury flat)
1100 total cold % for bow with 4 stacks of ucenui
850% cold for throwing
410 crit multi
174% AS with frenzy

3lp fury:
156 cold flat+70lightning flat+8 phys flat
1340 total cold for bow with 12 stacks of ucenui
1090% cold for throwing
450 crit multi
224% AS with frenzy

in the end we are getting:

1. 282 flat with row vs 234 fury (+20% dps win for row)
2. 1100 vs 1340 (+21% win for fury)
   3)410 vs 450 crit multi (9.7% win for fury)
   4)174 as vs 224 as (28.7 win for fury)
3. penetration - max 9 vs max 12 t5 (3% pen win for fury)
4. icicle proc - ????? i havent calculated myself but smart people that did calculators for hs were estimating it as up to 15% dps (15% win for row)

20%+15% win for row 1lp
21%+9.7%+28.7% win for fury 3lp? penetration is whatever

hopefully this helps

[thin quartz]

you're... actually insane.

so in the end you did
35% 1lp row
59.4% 3lp fury
that's a difference of 28.7% different.

[thin quartz]

but you still can say this.

[flint turret]

yeah

i had row with shred suffix

[thin quartz]

and this.

[wary cedar]

guys just enjoy the game
math isnt so much joy

[thin quartz]

so now with shred stuff is enough to make up for close to 28.7%?

[flint turret]

no

but i cant measure kill time eactly, thats whyu i said i didnt see any relevamt difference

it depends on how good im with piching up black arrows

and how much time abby is in my smoke

the deciding factor was if i dont see a difference in kill speed id rathjer go with more attack speed for more sustain

[thin quartz]

28.7% im gonna round it up to 30% okay.

do you kill aberroth in 10 seconds.

[flint turret]

i didnt even did the math back then like i did now

[gentle basalt]

well you want to multiply the differences together so its more like 23% more damage difference

not just add them together and substract

[flint turret]

no, a minute

[thin quartz]

okay, a minute.
you cant tell the difference of 30% cut down in a 60 seconds?

[flint turret]

i can but i didnt notice it like i said

i cant do the kill exactly the same

smoke+black arrows fluctuate a lot

[thin quartz]

oh now we have other random factors....

oh well.

[gentle basalt]

with black arrows you also get a bit more value on row on average

[serene crane]

@slate mulch yooo check what I just crafted! 😄

[flint turret]

bro do them yourself

[gentle basalt]

but as far as damage goes it barely matters most likely

[flint turret]

i wanted to start trying uber abby

i did it

[flint turret]

yes, thats one of the points too

they work better with less AS, same as that shadow consume node for extra recurve shot

i dont want to prove anything, im just explaining my decisions because aeon asked. i already fulfilled my plan for 1.2

[thin quartz]

time to shower and league.

[solid pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/174993814845521922/1369668568416911460/image.png?ex=681cb2c1&is=681b6141&hm=550955bf1dc99af225eba37bdf4107f710f8668243dbc27156dcb8e449a2daf4&

[flint turret]

also like i said i have no idea if icicles are 15% dps or not

[solid pivot]

Aww man no embed

[flint turret]

thats what people calculated, might be more or less

[stiff sable]

Anyone got a hard hitting heartseeker build?

[flint turret]

i was expecting 3lp fury to perform better than 1lp row so i was a bit surprised too that i dont see any relevant difference, and if i dont see any then AS wins because of sustain

[pearl forge]

aberroth just has some bs phasing too

because if you stun him you have less time to dmg him

i can get him in 1 combo from 64% to sometimes 50%

just if he does not get stunned fast enough

from 100%

[serene crane]

It kinda fascinates me how much more damage you have 🤔

[pearl forge]

well i stack more multipliers kinda

[serene crane]

If only I could turn coated blades off for Sync strike

[thin quartz]

mine might be a turn off for new players.

[pearl forge]

using dummy is fine

same number of shadows

i just run apo so i have 0 dodge

[stiff sable]

send over your planner?

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (63) / Falconer (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,768, Regen: 27.6/s
▸ Mana: 215.61, Regen: 12.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 44%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 149 Dex / 22 Int / 37 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 80% / 112% / 89% / 84% / 97% / 102%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,051
▸ Dodge Chance: 44% (1593)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (900)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Puncture / Heartseeker / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Dark Quiver

[pearl forge]

im doing aberroth while benched for wow raid so no sound but

[thin quartz]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe4V7WpA
i said might be turn off for new player cause all the exalted i slam with are double exalt.

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (65) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 4,085, Regen: 35.56/s
▸ Mana: 196.05, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 65/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 131 Dex / 12 Int / 25 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 103% / 135% / 92% / 79% / 111% / 86%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,580
▸ Dodge Chance: 45% (1630)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (567)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Puncture / Shift / Heartseeker / Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb

[pearl forge]

https://www.twitch.tv/hachadino/clip/PreciousBoldStarCmonBruh-mfhjYHA7leGS2Gqr

sometimes i skip the 30 or 50 altogether kinda rng

[serene crane]

Hmmmm, what more do you have... +1 shadows from gloves, full deadly ambush Shift I think? Lethal Cadence I guess (wait I could use that with deocy I think? )... oh and Concentration

[flint turret]

sync strike??

no coated blades??

[pearl forge]

like i just skipped from 50 to 0 now almost

wonder if there is a way to get less stun chance kekw

[flint turret]

3 LM in 30 sec with black blade. is there even a reason to have it at this point?

lm has 10 sec cd even without any cdr

[serene crane]

To not have what, stun chance or black blade?

BB I guess 😄

[flint turret]

BB

[pearl forge]

it is because he is immune

on other places you use it more often

[flint turret]

but why no coated blades tho

[pearl forge]

i have 8/8 coated blades

he is the one that has not

or maybe he has idk

[serene crane]

I do

[flint turret]

oooh you dont have +2 shadows on sync

my bad

[pearl forge]

yea no need it is useless

[flint turret]

ngl id like to see this with fulgritres

[pearl forge]

it is more dmg per cast yea wonder if anyone will do it i cba

but vaion's is huge

another 2 scaling multipliers kinda

[serene crane]

Whats the best for 1lp Fulgrites? flat lightning aswell?

[flint turret]

multi prob

[pearl forge]

ye

[flint turret]

and 1lp is kinda lame

[pearl forge]

you can get 3lp

[flint turret]

multi+light%+shred on 3lp sounds pretty good

and another one with multi pen

or maybe no need for pen

dunno

[pearl forge]

i went flat+multi + pen in s1

ideally

[flint turret]

makes sense

[pearl forge]

or wait actually not i went shred

pen didnt exist

back then

on daggers for some reason

[flint turret]

makes sense too

well you get pen from fulgrite itself, light shred and shock

so its already pretty high

[pearl forge]

you get so many multipliers flat is super good same with multi tbh suffixes are a bit weak yea

but if you get 3lp might as well get something usefulk

i mean if you want to go fulgurites you can go event horizon kekw

i want someone to try that one

you get like 4m to 6m per hit

[flint turret]

ive seen lots of videos with that one

[pearl forge]

uber aberroth would be hell tho

[flint turret]

1-combo abby

[pearl forge]

yea 1 combo aberroth is not hard but i wonder how it does on uber

[flint turret]

like shit prob

[pearl forge]

well depends if your dmg is high enough

you can go pull to harbi

reset stacks kill harby then harby then kill it

[flint turret]

id gladly look at it if it ever comes up

[pearl forge]

maybe i come back after killing uber then playing poe2 a bit

and try it

[dusky schooner]

Question got lost before, but does anyone know base falcon melee damage? Is it 30? Then +1 for every 4 dex

Oh never mind it’s per move

Dive bomb is 100 base, so 4 dex makes it 101 (if ignoring the other dex scaling)?

Trying to math out throwing vs crit multi

[deft comet]

HS really is mid at everything comfy for controller tho

[vocal gust]

Thinking to transition from HS to falconer since it's getting hard to push with HS.

But the question that I have is more on survivability between the 2

[deft comet]

Not an expert but I played both, specifically umbral for falconer. Can speed clear 1000+ corruption just because you kill everything so fast + it dodges almost everything with high leech also.

[flint turret]

@thin quartz @copper rapids okay so i have changed my approach. i tested the dps of 1lp row vs 3lp fury on a dummy just by shooting it, no wonder i didnt see a difference with abby.
54s fury vs 55s row to drop dummy to 80% from 100%
1:23 fury vs 1:20 row to drop dummy to 70% from 100%
its literally the same within random fluctuations, i did a few tries
so i guess icicles should be provoding more than 15% dps, bit still if the overall dps is the same then id call fury a win because of extra black arrows and life on hit

i wasnt using neither smoke nor vlack arrows, nothing, just shooting

i thought you might be interested, sorry if not

if i didt fail to slam all 2lp rows i wouldnt too

[wary cedar]

at this point its just a skill issue

[serene crane]

https://tenor.com/view/daronmalakian-serjtankian-daron-serj-soad-gif-24914224

[errant wolf]

has anybody else noticed there character freezing for a second or so after using the smoke bomb leap? never used to happen before but is now consistently happening and feels really off

[flint turret]

now i actually think that fire hs migh be much better than cold for uber abby

[serene crane]

overall its kinda meh... sad thing is, now I have 6 2LPs but only 2 bricked 2LPs for rerolls 😄

[flint turret]

ill slam 1lp dragonsong anc see the dps

dam

i could slam t7 multi on it and t5 flat

[thin quartz]

so what happens to all the math you did above.
the 28.7% damage different.
within this test of 1 second and 3 second different. that 28.7% is just not possible

[flint turret]

because it has 5-6 % crit already

[flint turret]

math above accounted for icicles being 15%

looks like its not

[thin quartz]

you really just contradict yourself even further.

[flint turret]

i dont see any contradictions

i havent calcultared icicles i already said that i just took it as 15% from someone elses calc

[thin quartz]

if without the 15% the damage difference between 1lp row vs 3lp fury is even bigger, yet your test says something else.

[flint turret]

why without? i cant disable them

and its not bigger, its non existent

[thin quartz]

this didnt calculate icicle?

[flint turret]

it did as 15%

but its more

[thin quartz]

omg but he said this.

[flint turret]

and?

[thin quartz]

so you think its more than 15% now?

[flint turret]

yes

[thin quartz]

but you're confident its the icicle that made a difference yeah?

[flint turret]

thats the only explanation i have

yeah i think it should be t5 crit

and t7 multi

ill try it with t7 crit anyway i dont wanna slam 2-3 lps

too much bother

i think it will already beat row as is

[thin quartz]

like i said between our dm last week, we aint never gonna see eye to eye.

[flint turret]

i dont have a habit of meeting discord chatters eye to eye anyway

wow, 1:02 to 70% with 1lp dragonsong t7 flat crit. gigantic win over both row and fury

procs are huge

even without burning daggers

dam i should have used 2-3lp dragonsong vs uber abby for sure

[pearl forge]

yea guess if you can tank most things dragonsong is fine

[flint turret]

i cant, but its easier to hug the boss anyway rather then to stay away

i dont expect the difference to be that huge

and it doesnt even need t7 flat crit which can be t7 multi

and the difference will be even bigger

[pearl forge]

well the triple flail combo is easier to dodge on melee

only problem would be the bowling hall

the blue frontal has some windup at least

[flint turret]

overhead mace jump is one-hit too

[pearl forge]

he does not do that one on melee

unless you run away a bit

he does the normal auto

[flint turret]

he does i believe

lemme rewatch

[pearl forge]

if he jumps back he can jump in again tho

if you are not fast

has gottem me

[flint turret]

look im near

bam slam

dam dragonsong is huge, cant believe i slept on it

and i really underestimated the power of proc on both dragonsong and row

[serene crane]

New Uberroth kill?

[terse bloom]

https://youtu.be/Aw6qulWJTcI

uberroth 25s

stun chance 1x1 idols are bugged tho dunno if that'll last this cycle

abuse em while u can

[pearl forge]

damn that is quite far for me but yea i guess if you are that away he can do it wao

[vocal gust]

build planner link pls

[flint turret]

but lm has much bigger range than that

[flint turret]

no but i discovered how i could have done it much easier, with fire hs

its dps is insane if you hit proc

[serene crane]

I've swapped from Decoy to Sync Strike... not sure If I really like it so far 🤔

[flint turret]

sync is easy bleed stacks i guess, and crimsons

crimsons are huge for abby

[undone dune]

you slept on a 900% damage effectiveness 0 ICD proc?

i figured being in melee was just too risky

[flint turret]

whats even funnier for HS, is that im getting more dps with ROW while being converted to FIRE but with 4\4 dragonfang rather than full cold

[undone dune]

huh i figured cold pen would be worth mor ethan that

[flint turret]

yeah i slept on how much my dex ended up scaling it

[undone dune]

did you swap to shattered world?

or does it not mater with dragonsong because it has so much crit

[flint turret]

no ofc

i didnt play at all after i beat abby but todays math discussion reignited some interest in trying things out

i thought i made a good call in using fury but i should have used dragonsong instead

[undone dune]

I thought everyone always agreed dragonsong was way more damage it was just squishier because of the short range

maybe thats less of a concern for ubberoth

[flint turret]

yeah thats the point, i didnt think both of how much i will stay in melee range and how much damage fire actually does

[undone dune]

i still agree RoW is better for high corruption echos due to the range

[thin quartz]

why is it bugged?

[flint turret]

overall id say it was worth using dragonsong now but back then i was just obsessed finishing it because ive downed him to less than 20% multiple times

[undone dune]

25% chance to stun not increased chance to stun or something

[flint turret]

also the one thing i didnt expect at all is the damage of a fire build with ROW

[night spruce]

oof, 5 scissors of atropos, best i got is t3 phys xD

[flint turret]

its more than having cold conversion with row

[night spruce]

gonna need some luck over there

Thankfully scissor is kinda mono ready even without any weaver affixes

so if i get 2 good ones it should pop off

[terse bloom]

they give abnormal sheet stun chance, like x10 times what they should

more than a 1x2 lmao

[serene crane]

2nd 2LP heart from Nemesis today... not bad 😄

[thin quartz]

damn.

[thin quartz]

i see

[flint turret]

because fire conversion with row does almost the same single target damage(even a bit better than cold) it means that its much better clear for monos, because those dragonfang stacks also apply to puncture

[undone dune]

+80 flat (fire) bow and spell damage goes hard i guess

although you probably arn't htting 20 stacks in echos with the puncture node

stuff wont live long enough

[flint turret]

it doesnr matter

it triggers wihout any target

hs recurves by itself

[uneven gull]

What does this fire row build look like? Are you stacking fire damage instead of cold damage or just taking fire damage talents in HS tree?

[flint turret]

no just simply using dragonfang nodes

i havent though about gear changes to it

[undone dune]

it needs to recurve 20 times on th esamge target to get full stacks

[flint turret]

you still have tons of cold from mourningfrost so ucenui is still worth maybe

[undone dune]

once the target dies HS becomes a puncture so it stops recurving

[flint turret]

it recurves withotut targers bro

[undone dune]

this must be a contorller bug

because i cant even shoot HS without a target

[gentle basalt]

i can

wasd maybe?

[uneven gull]

M+ K you can just shoot into space and stack hidden skewer

[gentle basalt]

because i always prestack crimson shroud and dusk shrouds by just holding right click with hs

[undone dune]

well i mean i can shoot HS without a target like in town

but in an eho it will always auto target something even if thats like 20 screens away

ive had issues where its like trying to leave a tomb rather than shoot something near me

because of target "priority"

[uneven gull]

Hmm that’s not my experience with mouse and keyboard. It’s annoying when fighting off screen cus if I lose the name lock my arrows just do nothing

[flint turret]

trying fire row hs with both cold and fire shred

[gentle basalt]

only targettin issues i've noticed is with the stupid exiles

i had exiles in few arenas and i opened one at start of arena

[undone dune]

exile mages are the worst

[gentle basalt]

and it lived literally till the end

was funny

[uneven gull]

I’m really curious bout this for mono clearing please update us when you learn more

[undone dune]

i played a ton of it and it caps out at like 700 corruption due ot being an almost defensiveless melee bow build

much harder to cap endurance with the fire shred blessing

ect

[flint turret]

fire shred didnt change much tbh

still a tiny bit more single target than cold hs

[uneven gull]

Doesn’t the melee aspect come from using dragonsong or am I missing something?

[flint turret]

nono

its ROW

[uneven gull]

Yeah

[flint turret]

with fire conversion

[undone dune]

oh you are playing RoW with fireshred

that seems interesting

[gentle basalt]

fire flat is only like 1/3 of your damage there most likely or less, its probs just worse than having the endu blessing

[undone dune]

i read dragonfang and thought dragonsong probably

dragonfang is just the flat fire stacks

[uneven gull]

Fair I had to google it lol

[flint turret]

yeah which affects row proc and punctures

well and hs itself ofc

and umbrals

RIGHT UMBRALS TOO

[gentle basalt]

i would also click burning daggers probs because why not

[flint turret]

mindblown

[undone dune]

what are you proccing umbrals with

[uneven gull]

So basic plan is to use normal ROW build but just swap out cold conversion for fire conversion?

[flint turret]

shadows

[undone dune]

fair

[flint turret]

from smoke and blak arrows

tons of them

[sick ivy]

dragonsong was a sleeper even before 1.2, a friend played cinder strike marksman and it does alot of dmg, the proc just has massive scaling

[undone dune]

i mean kripp played a dragonsong build in 1.1 and made it super popular for a bit

it wasn't that sleeper

[flint turret]

so far im trying to figure it out, lots of variables

cold penetration loses its worth, cold damage % loses its worth

need adjustments maybe

[uneven gull]

At the very least this makes me feel less guilty about not nothing trying to match int and attune haha

[sick ivy]

has kripp even pushed corruption? did he kill aberroth with it? can't remember i know my friend found the build from some small youtuber

[serene crane]

Wasnt that like 200corr or something?

[undone dune]

its kripp he doens't have to make it look good to make it popular

[gentle basalt]

well youy just drop ucenui and then theres basically no more specific scaling

ez

other than pen

[serene crane]

I remember some Kripp CS vid with dragonson and it was even before 1.1... 😄 maybe like 1.0 or before?

[flint turret]

i still have like 130 flat cold from mourningfrost

[undone dune]

it might have been a 1.0 build actually

[uneven gull]

Idk what you would even replace it with though, it’s easy to get 3lp

[gentle basalt]

shattered worlds

[sick ivy]

yeah, but then it's a sleeper considering most of his audience doesnt push either. i think the youtuber was playing around 800-1k corruption with cinderstrike/explosive trap dragonsong

[flint turret]

they doesnt exist

[undone dune]

also need to find an extra 40 cold res if you drop Ucen

[gentle basalt]

idols

[undone dune]

but my stun idols!

the ne meme

[uneven gull]

Yeah but only way I’m getting that is with unethical builds as cof

[gentle basalt]

well ok if we ignore bug abuse ele res idols op :d

[undone dune]

yeah that was a joke

i actually use 2 of the needlessly big recurve idols on my HS and its probably not worth it at all

[gentle basalt]

yea i dont think anything other than shattered beats ucenui then

[sick ivy]

what yall reckon is the best bladedancer build of the patch? got bored of heartseeker and rerolled my marksman to bladedancer atm, dont wanna kill uber aberroth with falconer, either doing it with bd or marksman

[undone dune]

best for what?

[sick ivy]

best for corruption pushing and uber aberroth?

[undone dune]

those are 2 VERY different things for BD

[sick ivy]

is there some other metrics to describe "best"

[gentle basalt]

there is that funny burning dagger relic also

[undone dune]

im not sure you would share more item slots than rings

[gentle basalt]

but its probs useless for this

[sick ivy]

how is it different? you need boss killer, thats it

[undone dune]

BBoC dex stacking kills you on ubberoth

you cast it on him and then just die to some BS

but its the best echo build

[serene crane]

wdym it doesnt move you anymore with black blade

[undone dune]

but you also cant move

[sick ivy]

speedfarming for sure is different

[undone dune]

unless im an idiot

[sick ivy]

would also argue that it isnt best mono farmer

[serene crane]

Its like a split second anyway

[uneven gull]

Only other gear consideration in my head is troaka’s. Assuming we keep Ucenui, do you think changing to phase point is worth it?

[sick ivy]

there are still good low life shadow cascade, and shadow dagger builds for bd

[undone dune]

either way there were what 3 BD that killed uberoth in the first 2 weeks?

im not convinced there is a "good" BD build at uberoth

[sick ivy]

yeah i wonder what builds they used

oh it doesnt need to be good, as long as its best for bd get it done

if i wanted good build i would just reroll vk lmao

or falconer

[undone dune]

we did figure out yesterday that channeled shadow cascade can snapshot the +64 throwing damage buff from scissors

but idk if thats uber viable

[serene crane]

Hardly 😄

[undone dune]

well you can use the neck to zip around while channeling

[sinful anvil]

Can I rely on maxroll for updated and relevant guides for rogue or should I go to LE tools?

[flint turret]

sanguine probably

maybe anchor instead of ucenui

[undone dune]

sanguine only becuase of attackspeed?

and i guess 45 health

[flint turret]

that "only" attack speed is basically t7 attack speed

[sick ivy]

its weird to me that ppl just dont use spidersilk quiver with RoW

[flint turret]

its awesome too

[sick ivy]

i guess flat and increased from troakas pulls ahead than the implicit on spidersilk

[flint turret]

i dont have it with great mods tho

[sick ivy]

maybe i should just log on legacy and kill uber aberroth with my vk, respec it abit obv

[undone dune]

I honestly havn't seen any of hte BD ubberoth kills but the number was so low htat it scares me

so i cant recomend a BD uberoth killer

[sick ivy]

smk is bd enjoyer, but only 2 vids from him this patch

[undone dune]

what are the chances that event horizon puncture pop can 1 shot ubberoth too

it one shot normal after all

[serene crane]

Pretty low Id say

Cant hurt trying tho

Might be a good chunk very well tunned gear 😄

[sick ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdgCZroInZI smk might be cooking something with this though.

[undone dune]

ok thats interesting

ravager dart to just get +80 flat fire damage

[pearl forge]

yea event horizon is silly dmg

just so aids to play

[undone dune]

on a caltrops build

[pearl forge]

wonder if anyone will care

[undone dune]

actually they only have enough dex for like 10 stacks not 20 but still

[sick ivy]

idk about caltrops, net is just to generate mana there

[undone dune]

fair enough

explosive trap build more like

[sick ivy]

its the explosive trap that will be the main source of dps i think yea

wonder if it would work with a bow, and converting explosive trap to bow attack

[serene crane]

smh bro.....

[undone dune]

2% though

even with that flat damage

[serene crane]

10% cdr aswell, another L 😄

multi is great, flat is rgeat, dex is great....

SD maybe...

[pearl forge]

damn i still havent dropped one with 2 lp

cof op

[serene crane]

Nah Its just Im lucky af today with them I guess... 1 from Nemesis, 2 from Lagon harb... but other day when I spammed envoys I didnt see a single one 😄

[undone dune]

can you buy envoys with amber?

or can they be target farmed somehow?

[pearl forge]

you get them from using envy

i still have to use 300 or more of mine

it is so annoying

might do some now

[undone dune]

oh i had the wrong name for hte thing i was thinking of

whats the weaver echo where you fight hte 1 harbinger

horizon

can you target farm horizons somehow

[pearl forge]

they drop from the harbingers themselves only i think

they also drop brink

[undone dune]

ohhh

[pearl forge]

but idk if from brink they drop horizon too

im not stepping in that shithole again

[undone dune]

i wonder if the weaver node ot duplicate 40% of boss echo drops works on that

are boss echos really ""echos" or do they not count because they arn't in the web

i know abberoth himself doens't count

but he isn't even in a timeline

[pearl forge]

no idea

i kinda want to get more red rings to reroll mine but i also have to do harbs and aberroth

hmm

[serene crane]

This cant be real at this point

[violet siren]

is it possible to spam shadow cascade as often as the shrine of shadows does? this shrine clears the entire screen

[pearl forge]

you can kinda

have cascade on shift and dancing

and just shift and use dancing once

[gentle geyser]

Kind of insane

[half nova]

it is possible but not with it converted to throwing

[flint turret]

okay so did a bit of corr push, clear is still okay but i started to die to orobyss sometimes. Overal im liking fire row variation because it has better puncture damage + it allows you to use 75% phys or cold res blessing instead of cold shred without loosing damage almost at all

if i had it in me id try ravager hs with dragonsong and fire crit flasks and overcapped fire res, but maybe somewhen later

[serene crane]

What does overcapped fire res do there? 🤔

cba reading stuff there 😄

[serene crane]

ah, cool

[flint turret]

taps-flasks wlightningbomb+dragonsong and everything is buffed by ravager dart hs

maybe even traps-flasks-da?

da with fire convert and 0 manacost

hmmmmm

[undone dune]

would -mana cost also affect the burning dagger procs?

[flint turret]

might be worth cheking out

[flint turret]

probably not, its mana consume

[undone dune]

ahh

i wasn't sure if throwing subskill would throw it for a loop but mana consume seals it

[flint turret]

yeah burning daggers is a trap

with how good hs tree is there is absolutely no room for them and mana gain on hit

[sick ivy]

did you check the vid i posted abit over an hour ago? smk had similar idea with ravagers dart

[flint turret]

this one? i see... no DA tho

and no dragonsong

[sick ivy]

ya, theres so much different ideas how you could utilize ravagers dart

does that poison node convert to fire res? i thought you would still have to stack poison res to get fire pen

[flint turret]

it does, and cold offhand to cold too

[sick ivy]

interesting, going by the wording one would think it only converts the penetration part

[flint turret]

i didnt know about it too until someone told me

i havent played flasks at all

[sick ivy]

yeah same

[flint turret]

i dont have any rings with -throw mana cost to try it (trap-flask-da-ravager)

i guess it will wait untill 1.2 goes legacy kekw

[sick ivy]

you would use jelkhors for that?

[flint turret]

no

i wanna try dragonsong

da just for more triggers

[sick ivy]

how would you get da 0 manacost?

[flint turret]

node in da makes it 0

[sick ivy]

oh right mana arrow

[glacial stratus]

I'm sorry but why can't I use me E Ability?

I know it's something simple but I can't fix it

I already searched for traversal in other skill's trees

[uneven gull]

Need falcon on bar

[serene crane]

No bird out? 🤓

[glacial stratus]

thank you!

[glacial stratus]

I knew I forgot something! Thanks!

What do I actually do tho if the build recommends all these 5 skills?

This is the build: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/ballista-falconer-guide#skills-header

[pearl forge]

you have ballista twice

if you didnt realize

[glacial stratus]

yo I might be too tired

I didn't realize, thank you!

[pearl forge]

np sleep well

[glacial stratus]

thank you, have a good one!

[serene crane]

eh, almost one-shotted Aberroth's harb.... close, close 😄

[uneven gull]

With LM?

[serene crane]

Yeah

[pearl forge]

i break its neck as she appears

[uneven gull]

Are you SD or no? I forget

[pearl forge]

it is quite silly

[serene crane]

ye they're super squishy 😄

[pearl forge]

meanwhile brink

[serene crane]

Lightning... SD feels slow now, sadly

[pearl forge]

they are fat

[serene crane]

Brink: 300corr
actually: 1000corr? 😄

[pearl forge]

i just cant find how sd does a lot of dmg

like i dont see the numbers

even spamming LM

maybe you need to proc daggers from other skills too

but you cant use cascade or other things

[serene crane]

You can get a lot of cascade aswell

procced by mirages

[uneven gull]

I was planning on building this SD LM build after I tire of HS: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/lethal-mirage-bladedancer-guide

sounds like a mistake?

I was thinking it would have better clear than Lightning

[serene crane]

Maxroll guide is terrible tbh

[uneven gull]

Fair haha, there’s just not much material on LM right now so I’m taking what I can get

[pearl forge]

cant proc cascade with blade

needs dw

so idk

[wet bear]

did my first 2 uberroth kills o7 (i was unethical)

[flint turret]

you can and you do

[uneven gull]

Nah you can still get the proc I tested it

[sick ivy]

this helps with sd

[pearl forge]

so weird

so procs work?

[uneven gull]

Yeah I think it’s just to manually trigger

[pearl forge]

well would hit like a noodle

[flint turret]

it works even with a bow

[pearl forge]

anyway

guess the daggers node would be useful maybe

[sick ivy]

yeah cascade always worked as a proc without dualwielding

back in the day it was meta with the cradle of the erased to go lowlife shadow daggers bd

and you proc it only with sync strike+shift combo

[serene crane]

You get it for SD and Shadow Flourish

[flint turret]

i dont remember shadow daggers being meta with ll. cascade and chakram sure

[serene crane]

Why is this crap so insanely common with 2LP...??

[pearl forge]

it seems to have cool mods

[sick ivy]

cascade, umbral blades lowlife was hella meta before corruption change

[pearl forge]

but i havent seen anyone use it

[flint turret]

crit umbrals yeah but they are not rellay sd

[uneven gull]

Dumb question but does gloomstalker on cascade tree work from SD triggered by it?

[sick ivy]

only build to push to like 6k or something after mana stacking sorc got nerfed

[flint turret]

wdym

[serene crane]

no

only the dagger flying

[uneven gull]

Makes sense, thanks

[sick ivy]

it was pre sd nerfs

so long time ago

[flint turret]

I played since 0.9

[serene crane]

Not the best but maxrolled mana regen

[sick ivy]

yeah can't remember if it was before runemaster, but defo before launch

[uneven gull]

Still trying to understand why lightning version is better than SD . Is the main difference using the shift combo?

I was hoping to avoid using shift combo since it renders the CD reset on BBC kinda pointless

[sick ivy]

@flint turret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr5Zeudy3kM this build, smk pushed to 2k but i remember someone pushing it to 6k corruption

[drowsy palm]

Tear

[sick ivy]

i wonder how hard falconer gets hit next season

juse is getting that mastery butchered

25sec uberroth lmao

[drowsy palm]

Falconer is better than heartseeker?

[lone beacon]

10-20x better in terms of damage

[flint turret]

bro it has capped crit almost, its not sd

[drowsy palm]

Oh interesting, I thought hearseeker was the go-to this season

[flint turret]

but yeah i vaguely remember it

[lone beacon]

but I play heartseeker for farming favor, stupid fast at clearing echoes

[drowsy palm]

Ah so just for bossing falconeer is better

[lone beacon]

bossing and 1k+++ corruption

[drowsy palm]

The above was my HC SSF Heartseeker, I cartwheeled into moon blast, poor click direction :/

[sick ivy]

because with old lowlife you capped crit so easily lmao.

deaths door was only taken because dr

[topaz agate]

Heart seeker can go up to 1000 corruption? Do you need almost perfect gear to do that

[drowsy palm]

From my understanding not really, pretty good and fast at clearing sub 1K

[lone beacon]

not really. but I'd rather sit comfortably at around 700 and not get randomly 1 tapped. Even falconer can get randomly 1 shot at 1k.

[flint turret]

Just climbed to 1500. More or less okay but I do get 1-tapped sometimes by oro

[drowsy palm]

Yeah I have no desire to push 1K, I play HC SSF (Swapped from Account found to Self Found) and it's a lot more rewarding to not push like a demon xD

[flint turret]

Yeah comfortably farming around 500-700 is all you need really

[lone beacon]

Sheesh I never stopped to think that there are only 5 unique quivers. I've been wasting my time farming Troaka's in echoes.

[sick ivy]

tbh, now that i look at the build, it makes no sense to build crit at all lol. dunno why he had a planner like that. was sd always guaranteed crit? can't remember. bladestorm says on letools that it can't crit so it doesnt make sense at all to build crit

[drowsy palm]

I always look at the loot pool on the website because there are some items like that, that simply are easy to ascend, that being said... I found 3 today before I died lol

[flint turret]

It was yeah. But umbrals themselves deal decent damage too, and cascade

So why not

It's almost free anyway

[flint turret]

Also sanguine is as good too, so that's 40%

[sick ivy]

well considering cascade is converted to daggers it doesnt do that much, main dmg came from sd on cascade. and umbrals say they can't crit when made into bladestorm. never really paid attention if the hits from spinning blades can crit

[flint turret]

sd on cascade is negligible

its only 20% chance

[sick ivy]

but yeah it used to be so free get crit cap

[lone beacon]

Sigh I should've checked more anyway, better late than never.

[sick ivy]

20% from shadows, 100% from you

[flint turret]

Yeah, like I said, negligible

2 stacks from cascade after sync is nothing

[sick ivy]

yeah but sd was so busted back then every stack helped

[flint turret]

It was weaker than it is now

Smoke didn't give flat back then and there was no 50% more damage to bosses/rares, even tho damage effectiveness was a bit better

But yeah I remember people using smoke to apply sd. Crazy times

[wet bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cx7sw2WWJ0

XD

thats just illegal

[weak bay]

What's easier to set up in SSF, Umbral blade Falconer or Ballista?

[sick ivy]

yeah but for 1.0 it was worse, skiasynthesis was reworked at 1.1 and do ppl actually invest into smoke blades considering you only stay still and inside smoke bomb against stationary targets. and it had base dmg of 90 compared to current 68

[flint turret]

Yeah in 1.0 it struggled a bit

[sick ivy]

this is the reason why i don't want to do uber aberroth with falconer, makes the whole boss irrelevant.

[wet bear]

so 1.3 when

[slate mulch]

nice, thats almost perfect, what do you think about the melee hit chance to proc dusk shrouds affix?

[serene crane]

I mean its good, especially with DS thats pretty much hitting all the time, but you could aswell just take 5/5 Veil of Night for 30% chance on melee use+hit and probably dont worry about it

[slate mulch]

makes sense, the bonus bleed% for shurikens will juice damage a lot more

[flint turret]

Bro cut the slaking go kill Uber

We need at least one bd clear video

[serene crane]

also this, you could probably drop Puncture for explo trap, should be some okay-ish amount of dusk stacks up

[serene crane]

Im gonna go sleep soon dude, Im falling asleep here... I opened my eyes and 4 rotten zombies were trying to beat me up my ward regen was too storng for them

[flint turret]

I want melee trap attach node buffed so badly

That CD man

[flint turret]

I had dreams about dodging Uber aberroth after 2 days of trying to kill him

I was pretty cooked

[serene crane]

Few days ago I remember having a bit of my dream where I was putting some item into forge and spamming chaos glyphs... 💀

[lone beacon]

Got this from just 11 potential 😆

[cosmic briar]

same way as i got my one with t7 throwing, had 13 potential xD

[drowsy palm]

What you mean? Just too much damage?

[undone dune]

full 2 affix gear uber kill isn't really reasonablly balanced

[sick ivy]

it takes under 3mins to kill hardest boss in the game in blue gear, with no idols and no blessings.

[undone dune]

to be fair i feel like roughly 3->5 mins is a good balance point to aim for how fast a very well tuned build shoudl take to kill that boss these builds that are killing uber after 10 mins look exhausting

doens't mean this shit is balanced just that the fight looks reasonable with that length

[rain crest]

How do you all get good items as merchants guild - just go to 500 corruption?

Don’t have enough gold to buy anything lol

[willow jasper]

can some1 link me the falconer dive bomb build with the bullshit dmg most ppl are doing

couldnt find it and im kinda bored of ballista now

[drowsy palm]

I didn't realize there was such a difference, I thought HeartSeeker was better than Faconeer, I guess I was incorrect XD

That said and done, I doubt I'll even make it to aberroth regular version on my HC SSF CF

[lone beacon]

Search YT for Juse Last Epoch

[drowsy palm]

Crazy this is blues, imagine fully decked out lol

what I don't understand is how he has 1200 life and seems to take like no damage, even when he takes damage

I have 1500 life and have had near death more htan once on regular monoliths

[lone beacon]

Aberoth 1 shots are easy to spot. Just smoke bomb and silver shroud it

[sick ivy]

fully decked out i think current fastest time is 25-30secs, Juse has alot of uber kills on his youtube channel

[drowsy palm]

Also, comments do point out, this is modified, all items have 255 forging potential

[lime sun]

Guys what are the bis blessings for the cookie cutter budget version of juse build?

[undone dune]

also level 100 without ever killing a timelone boss

i dont think they were trying to hide that it was save editor