🔪┃rogue

[night spruce]

^

that's my understanding as well

[undone dune]

so I think you only want 1

[night spruce]

eh, if you use dancing strike, itd be nice to have both

[undone dune]

maybe

[night spruce]

would neatly work together

All right

[undone dune]

oh actually with flow

if you are hitting 4 times then throwing

and thats 8 stacks

[flint turret]

Does it give 1 stack per use of a multi-hit attack?

Or you can get 8?

[night spruce]

per sword

or you mean flow

[flint turret]

No I mean if lm or sync hits

[undone dune]

i have not tested this

[flint turret]

Will it be 1 stack or 8 stacks

[night spruce]

its use

so i think youll only get 1

or 2 if dual wielding

[undone dune]

oh yes

it does say use

[flint turret]

I mean yeah it can say anything but have anyone actually tried it

[night spruce]

well

I'm about to.

cause this discussion

and this graphic

has tingled me in that particular direction lmao

so @flint turret expect to hear from me regarding

[flint turret]

Good good. I'm waiting to see at least one bd Uber Abby clear video

[night spruce]

i never got to regular abby so

the prospects are good

[undone dune]

dual wielding i got 2 stacks when using synch strike

[flint turret]

Hopefully not with flasks

Dam, rip

Could have been a decent throwing cascade weapon

[undone dune]

flurry seems to hit 3 times per use? but i get 1 stack with 1 weapon

[flint turret]

Attack speed with good base attack speed and it's also a sword

[undone dune]

actually does synch strike change its htis at all if i specialize it

due so some strange shadow interaction with like jump in

[flint turret]

Oh you didn't try it?

Please do

[undone dune]

not specialized

what node do i need for the bug

that make the shadows funny

[flint turret]

Any shadow from sync hits twice regardless

Only you hit once

[undone dune]

ok

so SD does consume it

which is amazing

but kinda useless

because it consumes each stack

[flint turret]

What

How

[undone dune]

idk

but with synch strike talented for SD i gain 0 stacks

they all get consuemd instantly

[flint turret]

Interesting might be worth investigating

[undone dune]

the stacks are the greyed out umbral icon

on the buff bar

[night spruce]

There's also some

snapshotting channeling shadow cascade

memes one can do

if that works

[undone dune]

but that just means you are using 2 swords to gain like +16 damage on shadow daggers because it triggers on every hit

[stiff sable]

For falconer dive bomb. It says you have to equip a skill in skill slot 1. Is that the furthest one to the left or right?

[undone dune]

well of synch strike anyway

[undone dune]

slot 1 is furthest left

[cosmic briar]

can i ask who is 'it'?

[little flower]

would this be handy at all leveling a falconer?

[stiff sable]

making this build and im literally doing zero damage......
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/umbral-blades-falconer-guide

[cosmic briar]

Dont follow it.

[stiff sable]

my heartseeker build blows this one out of the water....

[night spruce]

Yes

[undone dune]

its that

silver shroud on ability use

but the talent is bugged an doens't work on falcon strikes

so you need to put either divebomb or AA in slot 1

[cosmic briar]

@stiff sable

[stiff sable]

I have AA on slot 1

[undone dune]

all good then

hmm knowing that SD somehow counts as "using" a skill at least for these scissors is interesting

i wonder if there are any other interactions this would mess with

[night spruce]

shuriken on Dancing strike?

channeling Cascade

[undone dune]

channeling cascade costs way too much mana

[night spruce]

triggered cascade daggers

it doesnt matter, just wanna know if they all consume the stacks

[undone dune]

and i think a channeled spell is only used once per second

oh also channeled cascade is not a melee attack

[night spruce]

Exactly

what i wanna test if

cahnneled cascade snapshots the stacks

[undone dune]

doens't seem to

or wait

maybe it does

ill test again mana regen too slow

[stiff sable]

do people use bows or swords with dive bomb falconer?

[undone dune]

maybe it does snapshot

it like doubled the damage for the entire channel to have stacks

i think the channel just bugged out the first time i used it because i have move to attack on

[night spruce]

@cobalt mantle

:>

so that's one contender for kismet build

[undone dune]

ok but theres a funny thing about this

sometimes when I hold right click I chanel for 1 second, then even though its held down the channel stops and the snapshot releases, then after 1 second of doing nothing it starts again but not snapshotted

i cant figure out why it happens

[serene crane]

lmao looks a bit weird 😄

eh, a bit low rolled, but its fiiine

no Heart

[night spruce]

odd

maybe its a attack move thing?

check your settings

[undone dune]

i turned WASD off all togeather

and that still happened

right click held down the entire time

but it just stops for a second then starts again

[night spruce]

check if this affects it

[undone dune]

doesn't seem to ever do it if i bind to not right click

[serene crane]

I think even with this turned off, Puncture still moves me forward 😄 at least the last time Ive tried it

legit annoying

[night spruce]

might be conflicting with movement

[undone dune]

seems to be a bug with right click specifically

i bound slot 5 to something else and it doesn't happen

maybe my mouse is dieing? 💀 but the icon looks held down the entire time in the video

[night spruce]

maybe youre moving out of the screen

with your mouse

anyway now that we know that works

we need to see if channeled SD is the best kismet case

@undone dune did you test dancing strike shuriken or triggered dagger cascade?

[serene crane]

It would be kinda awesome If it triggered with DS too

probably not some meta build, ofc, but hey, should be viable for few hundred corr, right? 😄

[cobalt mantle]

[slate mulch]

trying out a low life mirage?

i was running out of mana even with low life shift rip, but i didnt have t7 lethal mirage mana efficiency

[serene crane]

gonna reroll this into god damn perfection 😄

[serene crane]

Ive playing it since 1.2 since its finally playable 😄

idk, I dont even have issues with mana tbh

[slate mulch]

lol i didnt even realize that node restored mana

gonna try it again

are you speccing into flow at all?

in the passive tree

[serene crane]

t7 LM on body armor is still great tho, can sustain LM with Coated Blades on low life pretty damn easily with LL Shift

[slate mulch]

i see

[undone dune]

couldn't test dancingstrikes cuase character is not a BD

[slate mulch]

my monkey brain had a hard time keeping up wit flow lol

[little flower]

Any reccomendations for a leveling falconer build? Just hit monos

I know maxroll is pretty meh with their falconer stuff

[gentle basalt]

well as you can just respec anytime now can always just level with heartseeker instead

[serene crane]

eh, you could self-use Umbrals to stack 1x Umbral=>smoke=>shift=>LM; 2x Umbral=>shift=>LM; 1x Umbral again with SMoke off cooldown

I just kinda dont worry about Flow that much tbh 😄

[night spruce]

how about shift triggering cascade ?

[slate mulch]

same, do you happen to know if rogue has a way to sustain its ward gen against uber aberroth?

[flint turret]

Hs probably can with soulgambler, not sure about bd tho

[slate mulch]

ye i guess BD specifically

[serene crane]

Ive only gotten to the first harb, killed it, then I died, the alst phase is probably rough af 😄

[slate mulch]

ultimmately i want to invest into a build that can feasibly do uber aberroth as a BD, but most that are geared high seem to be running low life which i hear is really tough to thug aberroth's dmg out with

[flint turret]

Maybe with traps/flasks+soulgambler

Dunno, haven't played flasks at all

[slate mulch]

i havent seen someone use flasks yet either, i know in prior seasons there were flask builds around

[flint turret]

If I was trying to beat Uber with bd I would probably start with a life+leech

I don't trust ll that much on uber

[slate mulch]

do you know what the general mana sustain emchanics are

for higher life rogue bladedancer

[gentle basalt]

if you build shadow daggers then you can use soul gambler for "free" mostly at least

[flint turret]

Not much you can do tbh. Mostly only shift cascade mana recovery and maybe umbral recall on shift. Having rrs and nihilis helps with Regen too

[slate mulch]

hmm, thanks for letting me know

[flint turret]

Falcon can give tons of mana on hit but...

There is also experimental belt affix for mana on potion but I wouldn't use it personally

Puncture for mana gen also works okay but you need to weave it in somehow

[gentle basalt]

well that affix also gives you 100% inc mana regen after using pot

its ok

[serene crane]

t7 +LM on body, Umbrals recall, t7 cdr on belt+boots for low cdr shift and I can pretty much spam 2xLM, Shift, smoke, repeat without mana issues 😄 Nihilis is a bit of mana regen depending on the roll, 2LP Penumbras arent too hard and somehow it loves getting mana regen... 😄

[flint turret]

But you are ll, and the question was about non ll

[slate mulch]

youre running penumbras?

shadow dagger LM?

[flint turret]

Ah, that one is okay with mana, it doesn't use coated blades

[serene crane]

On the SD LM, ye

[flint turret]

It just spams lm without combos

[slate mulch]

oh i see

i was running coated blades and low life shift helped but it didnt geto the point where it could bespammed

[serene crane]

you only run coated blades for the lightning, SD LM doesnt care

[slate mulch]

yeah makes sense

[flint turret]

Coated do nothing for sd so it's a different build

[slate mulch]

i wonder about the performance between SD Lm vs lightning

[serene crane]

I can tell you

[slate mulch]

what do u think lol

ive only tried the lightning so far

[night spruce]

well i have to say

[serene crane]

good gear on lightning is way higher damage, clear speed is ok, bosses are just melting super fast too

[night spruce]

charkam feels really nice to level with

after the buffs

[slate mulch]

yeah i leveld with chakrams

very smooth

[pearl forge]

yea lightning does a lot of dmg but you do need to care about the combo

[serene crane]

SD LM is spammy, you really just shift, LM LM, shift.... but overall the damage is just lower

[slate mulch]

oh i wanted to ask @pearl forge since you have geared lightning LM high and tried uber aberroth, do you think the leech on it is consistent enough to deal with the mechanics as the boss gets to lower hp?

or does the downtime between mirages make it hard to rely on leech

[pearl forge]

havent really tried just standing in pools but you can still leech there

problem comes from being bad at the game and not dodging like me kek

but i did get him to 34%

[slate mulch]

nice, definitely doable

[pearl forge]

but last phase is different

until i get there cant tell

[flint turret]

Last phase is totally different

You will have to stay in tons of pools and lasers no matter what you do

[pearl forge]

yea you can talent cleanse on smoke and shift i guess

but also you can always go into maintenance mode with only using smoke and shift + LM

[flint turret]

It's scary to not have traversal on demand tho

If he decides to spin where you are far or succ, you are screwed without traversal

So cleance is not that easy

Also it's really hard to move him in the last phase

Even when you bait him into running at you then he often just walks back and spins

I was spending most of the time of 4 min last phase on one half of the remaining zone

[slate mulch]

wonder if dancing strikes can deal with uber aberoth

leech on bleed 😭

[flint turret]

In general I feel like dot has better chances because you just stack dot and continue to leech even while you have to run

[slate mulch]

do you have any general assessment on the dancing strikes bleed build and whether its got the dmage output capable of the boss? i saw someone from 1.1 push to 1.5k corr with it but they were definitely taking a lot of time to clear stuff

[flint turret]

Not me, I dont play dot

[serene crane]

Yeah but going with DS on full melee vs Uberroth... idk bro sounds like pain

[slate mulch]

hmm, @serene crane do you have any opinion on whether it has the actual DPS to kill the boss?

[flint turret]

Yeah melee in last phase won't be easy

[wary cedar]

anyone interested in a fork bomb? 😭

[slate mulch]

most of the advice i see from people doing the fight are to keep to the outside to stay safe

which i can imagine is not feasible for melee

[flint turret]

Outside of what?

There is no outside in the last phase

Which is the biggest problem

[slate mulch]

yeah the tiny circle seems incredibly hectic t defal with

[patent valve]

Anyone figure out a build using this?

[flint turret]

For me it's much easier to hug the boss at all times rather than to stay away

[serene crane]

If you super gear it, maybe, but I doubt it'll be something insane 😄

[flint turret]

He has multiple ways of screwing you if you are far away

Jump mace slam or 3-sector = one shot

Spin if you are away = dead to dot

Succ if you are far=dead to succ

Necrotic waves if you don't see them, -10 permanent resist per wave

[daring yew]

what's a good 1h sword option for leveling a bladedancer alt?

this has been my leveling weapon for all my alts so far

[serene crane]

aw man 😦 would be soooo nice with 20% cdr 😄 worthy for 4LP Queen? 🤔

[serene crane]

2x Bee swords and flurry

I think Palarus is also pretty fun and decent at early lvls?

[daring yew]

gotcha

[flint turret]

Not really imo

[serene crane]

Rainbow edge at lv30 for the fancy color points, nice flat, some ailments, crit multi... pretty good

[daring yew]

I'll be in monos in like 2 hours or less anyways

[serene crane]

I dont really care about other stats tho... sure more than just one t7 would be nice, but finding some good belts is a bit painful 😄

[flint turret]

Yeah I know. I killed like 12 brew belts 2lp trying to hit t7 hybrid+t5 res

[slim breach]

I have gotten so many t7 bows that are geared towards crit and none that are useful for dot build zzz

Swapping to frostbite hs even with my mediocre gear is more damage but clearing is still ... fine at best

[flint turret]

Well, that's almost always the case for dot. Good single target,bad clear

[slim breach]

Sure, but I'm not really seeing how these builds do 500c+ with any amount of comfort

and im pretty sure the frostbite one was doing 1k

lol

Maybe if I get an actualy aspd% RoW but that'd require my rng to not keep trying to throw crit in my face 💢

might just give up and go double dot, too, since the increased tank feels irrelevant when stuff at 200c~ is either just... missing, or stunlock kill courtesy of garbage like weaver beams

[serene crane]

k, got this one aswell... sadly not hybrid life, but I guess 12% life is alright too 😄 just would have to keep 3 weaver idols with life=>ward pot conversion

but I guess Queen would really only be needed for Uberroth tho

[slim breach]

Curious if anyone in here has played frostbite/bleed&poison HS and has any comparisons between the two? TrikSter's vid didn't talk about frostbite and iirc frostbite vid mentions double dot... maybe said it (frostbite) was less dmg more survivability? idr though, and that's just one person's thoughts

[pearl forge]

you can play frostbite bleed or poison

just frostbite has some uniques like snowdrift or the gloves i forget the name

[serene crane]

Shackles?

[daring yew]

double palarus is pretty funny with high attack speed flurry

[serene crane]

yep

[daring yew]

the smites dont do any damage but they look cool

[gentle basalt]

i played all 3, poison was most likely highest single target (only compared it at lower gear as then i just gave up on poison), in mono clear its completely useless

bleed is like middle ground, its fine, but eventually you get run down (might be playable if you build around phase point better than my attempt, just remember phase point is kinda bugged so you are only getting defense and 0 damage from it)

frostbite is best mono clear and its not even comparable because shackles and freeze multi basically just allows you to do whatever

but a lot of stuff you use for that doesnt rly work on bosses like freeze and shackles

also big downside of frostbite compared to bleed is that you cant rly drop bleeding heart from frostbite even though i tried

you dont need it on bleed for obvious reasons

so that kinda sucks because i have pretty well rolled nihilis :d

also for both bleed and frostbite you want reign of winter as your bow, you can swap on bosses its fine but for clear its a must

and its impossible to fix poison clear so there it doesnt matter just focus on bossing

oh also if you dont run around with 4lp legendaries everywhere combining bleed and poison is just waste of time, just do pure bleed

[slim breach]

You don't think the Salt the Wound thing, building for bleed (and getting some poison on the side, basically) is worthwhile at all? Interesting

My biggest issue atm is that even with 3lp gathering fury or 2lp RoW or whatever, I do not get useful affixes

so I'm gambling every step of the way beyond dropping the original exalts

if I atleast started with a t7 attack speed base, it wouldn't be as awful lol

[gentle basalt]

it is worthwhile, as your last affix whn grabbing armor shred

thats why i said if you have 4lp legendaries fine

before that the bleed affixes are just better

[slim breach]

Fr, but that also assumes you're getting the perfect set of 3lp slams each time, no?

[gentle basalt]

yes

[flint turret]

Once I ditched the effort to slam 2lp row I got slammed 3lp fury pretty fast with some prophecies. I even had like 4 of 3lp left

[slim breach]

If you are running double dot and get armor shred instead of your bleed 3rd affix, it isnt wasted

[gentle basalt]

if you get random armor shred then its not end of the world

but like

its afterthought

[slim breach]

Yeah, double dot is basically bleed (and poison tags along too)

[pearl forge]

wao

[gentle basalt]

yea it just gives ppl wrong idea to look also explicitely for armor shred

and if you focus on armor shred too much your clear suffers quite hard

which is what happens when you go pure poison because it do not scales puncture at all

[flint turret]

1.3 frenzy

[gentle basalt]

so you are stuck with useless dot heartseeker clear

that pretty much does nothing lul

[slim breach]

Like I know Trikster said double dot suffered at 500c~ on clear, but he also didn't mention trying a RoW swap for clear

[gentle basalt]

try it it makes massive difference

[slim breach]

which even on my scuffed start-to-200c (ish) ignite heartseeker... RoW was working lmao

[gentle basalt]

because of how heartseeker and dots work

it will keep recurving on aready "dead" enemies

even though they are already dead to dotthey are stll valid target

but icicles coming out regardless circumvents that to a degree

[slim breach]

like atm I'm now clearing with GF instead of RoW because my old RoW doesn't get enough recurves = enough puncture shotguns

GF is better on champions etc. and also for trash, until I get another t7 aspd% + something to slam

[flint turret]

Wait what, it doesn't take puncture triggers?

[gentle basalt]

puncture triggers when enemy dies

what im saying is taht heartseeker already did enough damage for enemy to die, but the enemy is not dead yet

because dot is ticking

[flint turret]

So how does it recurve on dead enemies then if recurve stops after puncture

[gentle basalt]

so it wastes recurves

and that also means less punctures after they finally die

and so nothing is happening unless you overkill the enemy you are killing by like 3 times the damage

that you would do to it on hit build

[flint turret]

Overkilling is not that bad, it's more punctures

[pearl forge]

he means that HS puts like 100 bleed stacks on the target

but it takes like 2 secs to die

so it gets 300 stacks

but would have died anyway

[flint turret]

They trigger for every hs recurving on a target

[pearl forge]

and that happens on many targets

[gentle basalt]

its not more puncturesunless you are shotting constantly

[pearl forge]

seems annoying as f

[gentle basalt]

and its not more or less punctures, you just shot more shots and thats it, but its less punctures per shot

a lot less

[flint turret]

Hmmm

[gentle basalt]

every single auto targetting ability has this issue with dot builds

in a lot of games

in poe its big issue too but there prolif is easy to get on any dot build (but penance brand clear for example as poison is still awful because of it, and brands are very similar to heartseeker)

here it makes poison stygian coal also giga trash clear for example

because its just shooting at already dead enemy wasting time and damage

[slim breach]

@gentle basalt did you have a planner for what you ended up w/ as frostbite?

[gentle basalt]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qd4Kx6eQ here is what i planned to end up with, give me sec will also grab my char

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (38) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (54) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 2,567, Regen: 19.04/s
▸ Mana: 190.24, Regen: 11.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 215%, Regen: 32/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 73 Dex / 31 Int / 28 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 241% / 104% / 76% / 101% / 63% / 68%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,241
▸ Dodge Chance: 59% (2476)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 46% (2,757)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 102%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Puncture / Shurikens / Shift / Smoke Bomb

[gentle basalt]

with my actual char im currently at 800 corruption its mostly fine but the char is also a bit scuffed

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/deathbeam/character/heartbeam should be visible

i also have my failed poison lich there that i had to transiion to crit after experiencing the dot clear issues on it xd

at least it can use my nihilis so thats something, but i prefer dot builds in games if i can

they are just a lot more enjoyable to me idk why

[slim breach]

Yeah DoTs just feel neat lmao

also I gotta swap to frostbite blessing, forgot to do that 😂

ok the crazy part is the difference in our dot damage on the planner

[slate mulch]

would anyone familair with shurikens and shadodw cascade be able to give insight as to which build has the higher damage output?

[slim breach]

I'm fully resist capped (but have less health, because my health affixes never slam), have double your dodge... which is fine, but then the frostbite difference is wow

You have 328% application 324 dmg, I have 233% application and 995 damage lol

[flint turret]

Chakram looks most promising at the moment

[slate mulch]

hmm, interesting, the buffs did look very substantial

[gentle basalt]

i overivested into freeze multi very hard there

[slate mulch]

i wantt o respec from bleed to something that can clear properly lol

[gentle basalt]

atthe cost of other damage affixes

[flint turret]

Yeah buffs were huge

[gentle basalt]

and that one doesnt show

[slate mulch]

i miss so much amber because i zoomed away while things die from bleed

[gentle basalt]

but it makes sure i wont stop freezing in monos

[slim breach]

yeah

I was looking at the affixes

[gentle basalt]

so its basically damage + defense affix

[slate mulch]

and lizards are pure agony to kill

[slim breach]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/RandomOnset/character/AnnWilson this is mine, if that works

[flint turret]

Cascade might have better clear. Both melee and throwing. It's aoe is better than chakrams

[slim breach]

bunch of undeleted old chars are also visible lmfao

mind, this is only half done because I literally pulled the trigger on ignite>frostbite swap... this morning

so probably missing stuff in trees that I didn't swap because of my room temp iq

[slate mulch]

but you figure the peak damage output, shurikens look most promising?

[finite arch]

i lose like 5k dmg with the left, so should i just use the right one?

[slate mulch]

i checked videos for both and the clear for chakrams doesnt seem too bad

[flint turret]

I haven't really seen or did comparing myself, but yeah, chakram looks pretty good at single target damage

[slate mulch]

hmm, thnks for letting me know, ill look into it more on my end

[slim breach]

like I just noticed I need to respec my elemental arrows lol

[gentle basalt]

i had full specced the 8 pointer for ele arrows but unspecced it after rubber ducking it a bit here i think yesterday

just grabbed coated blades and some dex instead

[flint turret]

Trikster cleared Abby in 1:10 from triggering him to a kill, while having medium gear with lots of exalts, it can be better

[slim breach]

No I mean, I have elemental barrage on which literally does nothing for frostbite

it is shock/ignite%

[gentle basalt]

oh the ignite chance one

yea lul

also your puncture setup missing some important points

into remaining 2 points of hunger

[slate mulch]

Do you have some general pointers on LP uniques to chase?

[slim breach]

so I didn't spec into hunger because I figured the 4 shots from Rapid Strikes (which gain 150% attack speed) only stack me so far, right?

[flint turret]

Dunno, I haven't really made a planner for it in 1.2. and it will different much for LL and life versions

[gentle basalt]

you just keep them up they all refresh

so you do initial stacking then just puncture every so often

[slim breach]

but yes, that's how they refresh/fall off

which I assumed they were individual timers

also, I didn't use GF when I started

since.. I didn't have one lol

[flint turret]

For ward it's exang+steps+shackles probably, for life it's the usual null/wall/core + lirakas

[slim breach]

dropped 2pts from toxin for Hunger since that's ez fix

[flint turret]

Tongue and ucenui will be in both probably tho

[slim breach]

no I liked his spelling more

[slate mulch]

lol

Fulgurite and tongue I guess mandatory?

[gentle basalt]

yea its just 1, even though i still often forget to refresh :d but since i grabbed coated blades its better as now i have another reason to not forget pressing puncture sometimes

[slim breach]

what tree is blades in

i am blind

[flint turret]

You can do phys as well, but single target should be better with lightning. Fulgrite is not mandatory, can do 2 tongues as well

[gentle basalt]

base rogue

the 5 mana/10% more damage per point

[slim breach]

oh

does that get inherited to dots or no

[slate mulch]

Interesting would AOE be better with phys?

[gentle basalt]

its jus generic 10% more so pretty sure it does (and it def felt like so)

[flint turret]

Arguably yes, because you will scale both cascade and chakram with the same stuff

Throwing cascade has huge aoe coverage

[gentle basalt]

but also you are using dark quiver on top so you might not be able to sustain coated comfortably

[slim breach]

I guess hitting that 10% more does more than concentration

[gentle basalt]

i basically dont spend mana on anything

[slim breach]

Quiver I can swap out of anyway

[slate mulch]

makes sense

[slim breach]

and* I don't use it directly a lot since it pukes out arrows here and there

• I have the added duration (which makes more arrows fall)

half of quiver's usecase for me is shroud stacks

[gentle basalt]

yea i think thats basically th biggest beenfit from it anyway :d

[flint turret]

I can't really consult you too deep on chakram, I haven't done it for a long time, I wanted to after I saw buffs to it but hs took a lead on me

[slim breach]

Do you find survivability still fine w/ the lower dodge rating

[slate mulch]

yeah the marksman changes seemed a lot more significant and alluring

[slim breach]

i assume you have more armor as well from shurikens so idk

[slate mulch]

ive never played rogue though and i hvaent played in a while so any insight is good insight

[gentle basalt]

yea i have bunch of armour and i also just straight up freeze everything

[slate mulch]

the last time i played i got to 800 corr as void cleave VK but everything is different

[flint turret]

Check trikster lightning guide that is kinda recent

[gentle basalt]

i would defo want a bit more dodge but so far wasnt that big of an issue

[slim breach]

yeah fair enough

[flint turret]

The only thing I don't like about shuri is how it's dependant on both bleed and poison stacks. Your don't get the good upfront damage because there are no stacks yet on enemies

[gentle basalt]

those teleporting shits idk whats their name are causing me some issues tho as those are hard to freeze in place

with my dodge

[slim breach]

basically my only deaths are getting shotgunned by possessed enemies, so yeah... I feel that

[pearl forge]

good abby farm result at least

now we sleep

[slate mulch]

i see, now that im reading the shuriken tree it does seem like that would introduce some slowdown in clear

[slate mulch]

grats

[pearl forge]

they still have to sell but i can just relist tomorrow or the day after wont play much tomorrow as i have raid and some m+

[slate mulch]

for shadow cascade life version, is it the same uniques to chase as other life versions? wall/null, worlds, etc

[flint turret]

Again depends on life or non life, and melee or throwing

But yeah items are pretty similar

[pearl forge]

i would try life cascade first as the dmg is instant and the leech and life on shadow are instant too

easier to play

if you feel girthy you can try low life

[slate mulch]

yeah id have to farm up with life first

i dont have good low life stuff farmed

[serene crane]

Well, Ive ripped a looooot of 1LP and 2LP Ulerus, Queen and Elecoe belts... only this survived to 3LP 😄 Time to rip the Ulerus belts for fun too

eh, all dead 😄

Pretty great one tho... I wonder what affix will it miss

I forgot to turtle the whole tab of black blades...

[slim breach]

"you've been ambushed!"
3 teleporting enemies, all with witch laser

ok, guess ill die and do that echo again 🤩

[serene crane]

I wonder If its even worth losing -1 for 2LP... orrr I yolo and try sacrificing my 2nd 2LP to reroll... 😄 probably not worth any of it 😄

[wet hinge]

lightning shuriken/chakram better as BD or falcon?

[slate mulch]

I’m not really complaining because bladedancer gear is cheap but shuriken stuff got real expensive

[bold brook]

my season starter was chakram falconer and i enjoyed it. I thought about bladedancer but i kept running into not having a 5th skill that worked well (lethal mirage was the best i could think of only for kill threshold) while falconer of course has falconry for kill threshold and falcon marks for more attack speed and damage

this is my character https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oX42ybXo

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (24) / Bladedancer (19) / Marksman (10) / Falconer (60)

General:

▸ Health: 3,759, Regen: 52/s
▸ Mana: 269.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 41 Dex / 13 Int / 13 Att / 61 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 80% / 94% / 85% / 20% / 81% / 117%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,374
▸ Dodge Chance: 13% (431)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,421)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 44%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 26%

Used skills:

Shurikens / Synchronized Strike / Falconry / Smoke Bomb / Umbral Blades

[bold brook]

i pushed to 1000 corruption and then stopped to play other builds

[wet hinge]

yeah i was messing around with a BD planner and it just doesnt look good. lol

appreciate the planner

[sullen axle]

is concentration just not a buff that shows on your lower screen

[bold brook]

i dont think the buff shows, but a concentration cooldown shows up when its broken

[lone beacon]

anyone know the calculations for armor shred? I'm a reign of winter armor shred HS. shreds up to 600 and feels good at the moment but I don't know how it would be further down the line.

[lone beacon]

Take 30-50% of the damage and spread it between BD and MM 😆

[bold brook]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor go to the shred tab

after around 100 stacks it falls off hard

[lone beacon]

Thanks!

[lone beacon]

lmao there's barely any effect after 100. I guess I drop all the shred chance and just keep the shred effect.

Do these number mean "% more damage"? or more damage taken by monster?

[bold brook]

i think its % more damage taken by the monster

[lone beacon]

Thanks. Crazy how hard it drops tho given how easy it is to get 100 stacks..

[undone dune]

Wow somoene on reddit linked a 3 min ubberoth kill by a HS marksman

i was not aware dps even close to that was possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dl4cKP8yW4

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEl8RkpQ

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (27) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (65) / Falconer (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,304, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 166.87, Regen: 12.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 250%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 146 Dex / 15 Int / 27 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 105% / 440% / 69% / 74% / 61% / 56% / 101%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 261
▸ Dodge Chance: 44% (1606)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,030)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 127%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Shift / Smoke Bomb / Puncture / Shurikens

[undone dune]

although that gear looks a tad unreasonable idk how much he actually has because this is a planned build and not the character

[lone beacon]

NICE! A shattered worlds build. I can reuese my almost perfect one from falconer XD

[undone dune]

a 2lp shattered world build

becuase it requires >300 cold res for this to be viable

[lone beacon]

don't need the cold res since you don't take dmg from uberoth

[undone dune]

and by >300 i mean >450 because you start at -150 from dex

no you scale damage from cold res

[lone beacon]

oh wait., it's for cold pen

lol this build is close to impossible without insane game time

[undone dune]

yeah

but it doens't have the checkmark in the corner so its not even a real character imported to the planner

im curious what is character actually looks like

[lone beacon]

although all the cold res from relic/ammy/rings is only 11.5 pen. You can get more in idols by simply sacrificing 1 recurve idol and crit idol.

[undone dune]

idk how important recurve idols are

and the cold res is also giving ward retention and this build seems to have a lot of ward when tanking stray uber damage

[gentle basalt]

ppl were linking that vid before, apparently that dude just plays offline, could've also just generated way better gear than in his actual planner

[undone dune]

ohhh

[gentle basalt]

but i do think that shattered worlds is just better than ucenui if you dont bother with balancing the attributes at least

[undone dune]

that explains why its not verified

it seemed way too good to be true

the damage just seems so much higher than anyone else has showed

he probably just put 300 flat cold on his bow or something

[little flower]

which one should i use?

[undone dune]

I honeslty think you should test which one gives you more damage im not sure how throwing damage on neck transferring tothe falcon fully works

[little flower]

good call

[undone dune]

i know flat throwing on neck is a good dps stat but thats becuase of conversions

[gentle basalt]

i would use crit multi unless you need the void res but also idk how much crit multi these builds get

[undone dune]

when you transfer it though.... divebomb isn't a throwing skill

[lone beacon]

my AS with shattered

[gentle basalt]

but its a lot of crit multi and the throwing only works as your stat converted to melee later unless its bugged anyway

so 🤷‍♂️

[undone dune]

the main argument i heard for ucenui is actually that it has 80 free res on it

[gentle basalt]

yea thats the only thing i heard as well

basically just fixes your reses

but like idols

[lone beacon]

if for uberoth then it isn't needed (cold/light res)

[undone dune]

ubberoth does have a cold mechanic btw

actually 2

but 1 is dodgeable

[gentle basalt]

has 2 right but the ground one doesnt rly do damage even on uberroth right

or does it

[lone beacon]

the multi wave (oh I think this is necro), when he spits out ice balls and the upper right pizza is the only ones I can think of.

[undone dune]

oh 2 + the ground one

he summons the icy black hole which summons orbs in

and he spits out avalanch balls

you kind of need to dodge the 2nd one even with cold res though

[soft mauve]

if i add cold damage to a lightning skill it will add after the attribute (4% increased per) scaling?

[undone dune]

it should still get scaled by attributes

it just never really gets converted so it doesn't benefit from lightning penetration or lightning damage

hey im stil thinking about this video #🔪┃rogue message i cant get it out of my head.... is it normal in offline mode for echos to not show a bonus stability bar

[gentle basalt]

it was shown at the end at least but no clue

[daring yew]

anyone a dancing strikes enjoyer?

[gentle basalt]

cant say that i pay attention to that bar ever myself and i play online :d

[undone dune]

yeah but its there

oh it does show up at the end

must be some strange UI thing

[chrome sleet]

do people typically run the frostbite, icicle, or cinderstrike version of heartseeker more?

[undone dune]

i think the ice is more popular at high gear levels

[chrome sleet]

yeah thats what im using, getting close to 200 corr just wondering if im missing out on something. starting to feel squishy, need to figure out a way to get more ward or somethin

[undone dune]

just kill stuff from farther away

[lone beacon]

What do you guys think of snowblind + shattered worlds for HS? I think I can get this up to 80% crit even without peak of the mountain with that setup. that 80% already accounts for crit vuln

[undone dune]

what is snowblind getting you

40 cold res?

[lone beacon]

40 cold res, blind, 32 - 48% more armor, 130 base armor

activates leech, (peak disables it crit leech)

[undone dune]

i feel like this isn't solving any of the core issues with the build

other than maybe cold res

the life on hit is already so high that leech is barely noticeable

and im not convinced you have enough armor to scale well off 50% more

not saying its a bad idea, im just not sold

you are losing 5 dex minimum

[thorn osprey]

is bleed hail of arrow or bleed falconer better overall

[undone dune]

ive uhhhh never heard anyone talke about either of those builds this season

[thorn osprey]

yea i wanna do an old build, got a little tired of paladin already lol

[undone dune]

if you want to bleed with marksman i think HS might actually be better than hail

[thorn osprey]

right... there is a new skill this patch... imma go have a look at it then

[undone dune]

if you make bleed rain of arrows work report back sounds interesting

i just feel like the meta left that skill behind in like 0.9

[lone beacon]

Will prophecies add peak of the mountain to the loot table if I manage to proc lightless arbor on an echo with this node?

[undone dune]

i think no

its like how exile mages can be in any zone but you cant get exile mage uniques from prophs

but if you have proof otherwise show me would love to be proven wrong

[lone beacon]

thx

[gentle basalt]

i like it a lot on frostbite heartseeker at least, but there you also get damage from it so its a bit different i guess

[undone dune]

oh because you use the chill

interesting

[gentle basalt]

well because it has 200 freeze multi and thats damage from snowdrift

[undone dune]

yeah thats it

[gentle basalt]

you do get quite a lot of armour scaling tho in general

just missing base armour for it but blessing is decent

as throne of ambition also gives 40% more armour

[undone dune]

i thought the endurance blessing was prefered to cap that

[gentle basalt]

but then if you are doing that you should also be using shurikens for inc

[undone dune]

because brewmaster belt + endurance blessing gets you to cap

[gentle basalt]

yea depends on chest you plan to use, i would use core when going for this

and that + idol caps you as well

[undone dune]

ahh this makes sense

[wraith nacelle]

So im trying the reign of winter setup for heart seeker and still using the water orb relic and was wondering if its worth giving up one of my dex rolls on gear to int so then then it will spawn three orbs or do I just stay with spawning one . Don't know which one would be more dps. If any one could help that would be nice

[slim breach]

You'd lose out on some dex which helps all the time, and instead boost your dmg against bosses and rares (so your clear will also be boosted, but only when you have enough rare density)

Are you trading a t7 dex? That'd be a bit sad, but you're mostly losing out on the %dmg there. Check if both are the same multiplier type and just compare the percentages directly if they are

Don't have the text in front of me (on mobile) to look myself

[wraith nacelle]

Yea im also running the morning frost boots so I was figuring it wouldn't be worth the loss of dex . I just wasn't sure how others were running it

[slim breach]

If you have boots I think trikster prefers dex

[slate mulch]

i killed argentus with bleed while he was midair and now the minions are perma spammed

[sick ivy]

yeah this guy is not legit, hes been doing vids for over a year and been called out on playing offline. he used to post 4lp 4x t7 item planners xD

[halcyon shale]

Question: What do you guys level as till you find Razorfalls? I tried to run the falconer build but it just feels sooo clunky so I assume they are mandatory so what build is used till they drop?

[weary galleon]

what would be best in slot for inheritance on umbral falcon? crit multi, minion damage? unsure about suffixes

[sharp stag]

LP priority:
Helm - t7 dex - % health - flat hp - vit
Chest - t7 dex - % health - flat hp - vit
Dags - t7 crit multi - shared phys pen - phys dam - shred armor or blind
Amulet - t7 throw dam - phys pen or crit multi - flat hp - dodge % (suffixes don't matter)
Belt - t7 cdr - throw dam - hybrid hp (gives more than % hp) - phys dam
Red rings - t7 dex - throw dam and reduced throw cost if you've got a 2 lp
Relic - t7 dex - throw dam
Boots - t7 cdr - dex - hybrid hp
Gloves - t7 dex - throw dam - hybrid

Affix roll priority:
+2 dex skills and crit multi implicit on dags. 12/13 crit on right dag
+2 throwing skills, dex and % chance to recover AA on boots
crit and all attributes on peak
% health on null portent
falcon lvls and dex on blood roost
crit, all attributes and reduced damage taken on shattered worlds
all attributes and % res on red rings
dex and dodge rating when you use a pot on jungle queen
% health, % less dot taken and void res on erased ammy

FYI:

1. AA umbrals are 0 mana. AA only costs itself.
2. Exposed weakness doesnt work, no melee attacks used ourselves on bar. DB is minion melee.
3. Rangers mark does nothing, no bow attacks used.
4. United assault doesnt work, no throwing or bow attacks used. AA umbrals dont count
5. Phys res shred affects hit damage too. It decreases the amount of phys res per stack of shred (5% for non bosses, 2% for bosses). Caps at 10 stacks. Each stack lasts 4s.
6. The effectiveness of armor shred diminishes after a certain point (around 150 stacks), so going beyond that point has less impact.
7. Side by side node in falconry doesn't work, no melee/throw/bow attacks used.
8. Featherfall does significant damage, bosses can only take 1 feather hit per DB tho which is why we take 1 point.
9. Shadow falcons deal 30% of dive bomb damage x3. Default shadow cap is 3.
10. Cast speed affects AA animation. Get frenzy off falcon's havoc in AA (20% cast speed) + 100% frenzy effect off shattered worlds = 40% and wake of wings 5s buff in falconry (15% cast speed).
11. Flock of crows doesn't work unless birds aren't real is taken. Only get 10-15 dusk shrouds off smokebomb with or without 3/3 flock.

[undone dune]

I think that description is out of date

[sharp stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xli3XenS2cM

[undone dune]

mostly just for weapon mods crit multi isn't recomended unless you are playing the synch strike variant

synch strike is good for bossing but felt so rough in echos to me

[sharp stag]

i 'll leveling other charac to do echoes

maybe a hs

[undone dune]

fair

also on inheritance (the neck) im not convinced throwing is better than crit multi or phys pen

I dont think minion damage has extra value on the neck becuase it doesn't double dip when trasnfered to the bird

which is what @ mrbaconator asked

but the thing is so hard to roll you take what you can get

[little flower]

hot damn

so i leveled and geared a falconer today

just hit 76 and swapped to Juse build

obv no red rings or null portent

but 10 second regular abby kill already is nuts

[sullen axle]

should i care about the mana regen on the nihilis as umbral blades / divebomb falconer

[undone dune]

no

all your mana comes from mana on hit

[sullen axle]

tyy

[stiff nacelle]

anyone got a falkcon fist build haha

[undone dune]

only build I seriously saw use falcon fists was a double phantom grip forge guard, not a rogue at all

[bold brook]

shadow cascade also can make good use of falcon fists

but trying to play the unarmed cinder strike thing is a mistake

[elder condor]

Do all you disgusting falconer mains use nhilus at all or inheritance?

[heavy jewel]

anyone tried a clothos puncture shadow daggers build?

was something i was thinking about looking at, idk if and if they did how much they nerfed shadow daggers if so.

[bold mortar]

any melee type for bird build eh?

[undone dune]

i was thinking about it but i have never rolled a clothos that looks useful

like 2/3s of them end up with parry

you would want like high tier flat phys for this right

[heavy jewel]

and probably crit yeah thats what i was theorising

if not

theres kinda a dot angle in there but that requires taking power away from shadow daggers

i been keeping a bunch of unrolled clothos

just to mess around with the idea. im just about up to abberoth on my other char then i wanted to come back and play my beloved

the real downside to clothos imo is just its 2h on a class that wants to dual wield -.-

they should just make clothos one handed i mean it looks like a jousting spear anyway

[indigo frost]

is there any way to scale dragonfire reasonably without mourningfrost?

[undone dune]

there is some flat fire on recuve in the tree

but other than that not really

its why RoW is kind of the prefered build at high gear levels

[indigo frost]

what's RoW?

[undone dune]

Reign of winter

[indigo frost]

ah makes sense

[undone dune]

the ice bow

[indigo frost]

im trying some blast rain explosive mine setup and am debating fire damage with dragonsong or lightning with gathering fury so that's why I asked but with mourningfrost its not really fire damage anyways

how good is heartseeker for generating mana? like would it be bettor than just using a 0 mana skill with the one passive or nah?

sorry if the question is kinda super vague lol

[vital tiger]

Hi guys, somebody have good falconer build link ?

[indigo frost]

not sure specifically but pretty much any umbral blades build is good

[little flower]

Look up Juse on YouTube and go get some dex, when you think you have enough, grab some more

Then go kill abby in less than 10 seconds at level 76. Think he’s got Uber abby sub 30 at this point.

[vital tiger]

Its with uniq daggers build?

[little flower]

Yup

[vital tiger]

Hard to get gear ?i have only helmet, boots , gloves and amulet same as guide

[silent relic]

It look like falconer will finally get a big nerf with that Reddit comment

Yay no auto hotkey

[serene crane]

Should've happened months ago... 😄

[night spruce]

Obscure question

Do dancing strikes have cdr breakpoints?

Like going from 0.7 to 0.6, 0.5 etc. Does it round down?

[manic prism]

just reached to aberroth with bd, he spawned pool in middle while swinging i had literally nowhere to go am i missing something with that move ?

[undone dune]

the pools are from you getting hit by orbs

[elder pier]

Will this happen this season ? Coz im collecting gear for the build atm

[serene crane]

No, in 1.3, which will hopefully be soon

[fallen forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Culz7eT4AH4

40sec uabby with no RR or relic

and 1 lp gear

that sick

[little flower]

what reddit comment are you referring to

[little flower]

Soon ™️

[lime sun]

Which reddit comment is this?

[serene crane]

Juse posted it before today

[lime sun]

Ok thanks a lot

[little flower]

thanks! Love their design philosophy

[flint turret]

It took them only 3 seasons to notice it. And not a single word about crit umbrals kekw. So they gonna nerf minion again and leave umbrals as is

[serene crane]

I think there is nothing to really love about something thats been dumb broken af since release, very well known and was barely nerfed whatsoever

[serene crane]

I think they would need to cripple soooo much stuff for Falconer to somewhat bring it down 😄 and I hope you are excited to a new weaver's will body armor in 1.3 that will boost a random single minion

[elder pier]

Soon, i assume it will be few more months away ? Considering 1.2 not even 1 month ?

[flint turret]

Everything is possible when you play offline with an edited character that has 4lp t7 maxrolled items or whatever

[undone dune]

yeah

i didn't ralize how bad it was

someone explained it to me after i mentioned it

i think the charcter editor actually lets you just put arbitrary stats on items

[little flower]

praise the lord someone finally posted a 1lp red ring on the market

er i guess praise that i happened to be there when it was posted

[serene crane]

Hard to guess, EHG has said tho they dont want to do some balance changes during the season, unless ofc its bug fixing... and also they want 1.3 to be released sooner than how much we had to wait for 1.2... but if thats 3 months? 5months? No idea 😄

[little flower]

I want them to cook but I also just want steady releases, this game has me hooked

[serene crane]

Ye I honestly wait longer to get some polished patch with a lot of cool working stuff than some bug fest 😄 aaaand we should have transmog system in 1.3 and some new skill enchants or whatever its called

[elder pier]

Let them cooked, let us hooked

[little flower]

if they deliver half of what we got in 1.2 for 1.3 i'd be happy. such a banger update.

i know it was a long time between cycles but still.

favorite arpg by far.

[undone dune]

what is expected for 1.3? act 10 + alcolyte rework?

[little flower]

more bees hopefully

[serene crane]

This is kinda outdated, no idea If there is any updated roadmap 😄

[undone dune]

i thought this roadmap was scrapped entirely

[serene crane]

wait, dye system too

[little flower]

yeah 1.2 on this roadmap is now 1.3 somewhat

[undone dune]

also the skill sigils i thought got pushed back to after they do another pass over all the classes

[little flower]

skill sigils sound really interesting

sure 1.5 is more bees

[flint turret]

Honestly I hate seeing posts like this. The wording makes it appear as they had no idea of what's been happening with the falconer from 1.0 to 1.2. neither the meta builds nor the power level, which is kinda crazy

[undone dune]

and then they did the 1.3 planned rework instead of the primal hunts thing for 1.2

but i thought the ancient era story chapter was act 10

[undone dune]

I think they knew what was happening they just had no clue how bad it was because they were doing damage control on the more obvious bugs with it (infinite smokebomb ect)

[serene crane]

Some things getting swapped around I guess... I hope the things written in 1.4 there will be in 1.3 already, but I guess nobody knows

[serene crane]

Idk, no way something like this wasnt known... all you need to do is spend like 1-2 days in rogue channel and click falconer youtube links... 😄

[flint turret]

5-10k corr falconer videos were all over the place since 1.0

[undone dune]

yeah

[flint turret]

My thoughts exactly

[undone dune]

like I said they were on damage control fixing the obvious exploits

they didn't actually care to balance it

[flint turret]

But then the post like this drops with "oh no, we didn't know"

[undone dune]

becuase balance wasn't really a concern untill uberoth ended up so hard

[fallen forge]

some build deserve a up and another a nerf i hope the balance will be good

[undone dune]

who cares if umbral falconer kills abberoth in 2 seconds but void squirrels take 6

but suddenly 1 min kills vs 3 min kills on ubberoth are a big deal even though its the same dps difference

[flint turret]

1v3 mins don't matter when it's being able vs not being able to at all for most builds

[undone dune]

its the same thing with minion snapshotting, it was always a thing, but it was never necessary to kill endgame content so it wasn't a big deal to them to fix. Suddenly youtubers are talking about how you need to snapshot your minion stats then swap to gear that keeps you alive for ubers and its a problem that needs to be removed

[undone dune]

yeah i could have made my example more extreem but i hope you get the idea

counting seconds on normal abberath wasn't important to anyone

but its hugely important on uber

when that becomes minuets

and borderlines on impossible for most many players

[flint turret]

Yeah, Uber is a big issue currently that requires balancing classes which was never a prio or big necessity before

Either all kill him or no one does

[little flower]

had this in stash for idk how long didnt know they were so spendy

[undone dune]

at the end of the day back in season 0/1 if i was playign some jank build that capped out at 5-700 corruption but i could kill abberoth i was happy and didn't care other people were doing 10k with some BS and that changed

[serene crane]

Im not asking to be able to kill Uberroth with like channeled flurry or throwing flasks myself, but If there is like, what, how many, 3-5 builds? that can somewhat do it, most of them are just clonned bot falconers, something is not right 😄

[flint turret]

That's a good approach, I was doing the same mostly

[flint turret]

Afaik vks, palas, falconers and the ones who snapshot minions so far

Vks and palas make sense, they are basically new masteries. Everything else was already known for a long time

Minion and umbral falconer haven't changed since 1.0, only a bit of numbers change

[undone dune]

I find it funny that they nerfed the spark charge build to the point where it cant do uber

[flint turret]

They also butchered blast rain da

Maybe they have seen some video from that channel with omegaedited character using it

[undone dune]

well when they published statistics for ubberoth kills they only showed online seasonal and online legacy kills

they ignored all the offline kills

so hopefully they are ignoring that stuff

[flint turret]

Maybe it's just me but I have no idea what triggered that big nerf on blast rain da. It was a good build capable of 1000+ corr, which is not something unusual for bd even

[verbal pier]

yess it doesnt, just getting the hp from it

[flint turret]

Hs is basically the same as blast rain da but with less mana consumption

And with more "more" modifiers for dot

[serene crane]

Hs can also be kinda glad for WASD in 1.2... playing Hs without it would probably gave you carpal tunnel during the first week 😄

[flint turret]

Trikster doesn't get that nerf either. If I can be dumb for mm because it's my first season playing it, I trust him on mm entirely

Wasd is a huge qol for mm that's true

[undone dune]

i really like WASD i hope they improve some of the edge case issues with it though

[flint turret]

Literally humongous

[undone dune]

i would like to be able to shift towards mouse but evade with movement

for example

[flint turret]

It makes julra mechanics a joke

[undone dune]

100%

also lagon waves

can actually spend the effor to dodge them with wasd

[flint turret]

Lagon waves stoped doing any damage for some reason

[undone dune]

oh did they?

maybe im not as good at dodging as i thought 😆

[flint turret]

They hit me for like 500 damage at 1000 corr

I literally just stand there and don't care at all

[undone dune]

i was always too scared to test that

thought I was a at dodging

[flint turret]

They were hitting pretty hard before 1.2

Still the worst boss to farm

Invulnerability phase+tedious arena for harb fight

[undone dune]

also they seemed to make it at some point that he lives at 1hp always

and you have to do arena phase

[pearl forge]

damn do i risk trying to up the vitality for a 3lp slam

or just creation

[flint turret]

This doesn't look like a good 3lp material either way

[pearl forge]

i only really care about the 2 exalted mods tbh

[flint turret]

Yeah that's the point, but you will get 3rd affix anyway

And it would be more hp if it was hybrid t5+health% t5

Instead of t6 hybrid+useless affix

[pearl forge]

yea but how many pairs of 3 lp do you think i can slam to get those 3 affixes

every single one is gold cap

xd

i want at least 2 good mods for now

and 2 lp im already at 7 misses

at least getting bases is not as super hard thx to havocs but annoying having to go to arbor

so many times

then spending 15 mins rolling for the mods on the vault

[flint turret]

Dunno, boots are the easiest ones to make imo. You just look for str/dex/int/att t7 and put move+hybrid+cdr(or whatever else you want as 4th on it). Boots have a tiny affix pool on prefixes so it's kinda easy

It's literally just att/str/dex/int/movespeed that all good + vit and minion dodge that are bad

[radiant flume]

what are the most important stats on traitor's tongue?

[pearl forge]

wait t5+t5 is worse than t6

i guess if you get a better roll on the flat one it can be a bit better

[flint turret]

Well I was also considering vit instead of move, which is not great either

[wary cedar]

can someone tell my boss that i cant work today and need to play?

[serene crane]

For sure 🫡

The boss said no 😕

[wary cedar]

:(

nod good

anyone knows how i can make custom html tags more responsive inside the tinymce editor iFrame on grav cms? 🙃

[pearl forge]

ask grok and wonder what he says

[serene crane]

...my coding at high school was... not the best

now the only thing that are left are the memories of pain and torment

[flint turret]

Couldn't get myself to like coding. Doing qa is pretty interesting tho, depending on a subject (sadly not so much in my case)

[little flower]

yoo

first t7 ive seen

[serene crane]

I think I can safely say I legit hate re-enchanting...

[flint turret]

It's okay, but I don't really like any of the big ones

For non mourningfrost it might have been good, but not running res on idols seems like a waste for me

I always liked large/stout idols with hp%/eleres. And both got better. Weaver stouts are also much easier to find

[radiant flume]

uber down 👍🍺

big fan of whatever the heck this falcon build is

[flint turret]

Uber down -
"Big fan of a falconer" -

[radiant flume]

well I enjoyed it lol

[flint turret]

Nothing wrong with that

[little flower]

Yeah so I just made that Falcon build yesterday morning, took down Uber abby just now. It is indeed busted beyond all reason lol

[pearl forge]

nice nice keep buying my daggers

i need the cash

if i keep missing this 3lp slams

[flint turret]

Even devs finally admitted it, so I'd call this a win... If they don't forget to do something about it in 1.3 at least

[tribal burrow]

My fingers disagree with that build :c

Too many button presses...

[little flower]

Auto hot key is your friend

I just press smoke bomb and sync strike

[whole crypt]

are there any good melee rogue builds right now or is everything marksman/falconer ranged stuff? kinda wanna take a break from my time rot void knight now that i just beat all level 100 monolihs

[tribal burrow]

I fear the devs will do something about AHK automizing (although that's also a good thing I suppose)

[pearl forge]

think only truee melee builds i've seen are mirage and cascade

both are kinda fun although i have only pushed lethal mirage far

[undone dune]

we were messing around with theorycrafting yesterday and found that scissors considers triggering a shadow daggers to be "using" a throwing skill so it gives it the flat throwing bonus there might be some sort of blade dance build that uses this mechanic

[little flower]

Are they going to mess with numlock too? These are accessibility tools for me 🥲

[lone beacon]

how though? I don't think there's even been a game that can stop you from programming keys

[tribal burrow]

Nothing is confirmed, purely speculating! Not much can be done about the numlock thing i think?

[tribal burrow]

It doesnt have to be preventing, but pattern recognition, and punishing offenders will scare off many people

If they disallow ahk in the future im definitely requesting a "use when off cooldown" feature... some builds require so many presses to get good damage

[pearl forge]

if they just kill the cdr because it is silly no need for ahk

so suddenly 4 sec cooldowns are 4 sec instead of 1 sec or less

[dusky schooner]

Actually best take I’ve ever seen

Dive bomb nodes have so much cdr

But the build would feel like dogshit if cooldown is too long

[pearl forge]

well all abilities have cds

it is fine if a thing that hits that hard has a cd

[primal geode]

any suggustions boys everything u see is L1 170 dex

[frank olive]

red rings

[dusky schooner]

As someone playing it since 1.0, twiddling my thumbs in between button presses would feel awful if it’s too long, but I agree that it’s probably too short at the moment

[tribal burrow]

Thing is, all abilities can be build around to get far/to endgame.
Having an ability with a long cd as main skill, kills that though

[primal geode]

bro it's impossible to get

[frank olive]

cof or mg?

[primal geode]

like i'm trying to kill the uber

[dusky schooner]

Because there’s nothing else you can really press in the interim between cooldowns

[dusky schooner]

This exactly

[primal geode]

?

[frank olive]

are you circle of fortune or merchants guild

[primal geode]

merchants level 12

[frank olive]

too bad farm more gold

[dusky schooner]

On trash you can usually build to alternate aa and db, but if you had 8 sec cooldown on dive bomb it’d be gross. It’s why that one node that increases cdr for more dmg is never * taken (outside of some 1 shot giga buff thing people did to Julra in 1.0)

[primal geode]

i got stuff worth 1.2 B i'm waiting for them to be sold

than i think i'll change to cof

[elder condor]

I see people using the other belt with 12 slots what’s the difference between the two

[pearl forge]

ye jungle queen has dex

[primal geode]

this one give more armor more word when healing with potion overall the better option

[elder condor]

Honestly

The threshold in store

[elder condor]

Did you ever try the unique bow where it gives 25% cooldown on falcon abilities?

[primal geode]

well i have this one , that i use

[elder condor]

AHHHH!!!

[primal geode]

the thing with the daggers you can kill uberabroth with it but not as much tanky as the bow

also you need to chancge the passive points and stuff to be able to play with the daggers

daggers are slower but more damage , bow faster but lesser damage

[elder condor]

Uhh Jesus lol. I don’t wanan swap passives for that. What have they done to us

[primal geode]

it's better to stick with the bow if you not going vs uberabroth

[elder condor]

Ohh well I plan on doing uber daddy at some point

I wonder how much longer the fight would be with the bow lol.

[night spruce]

So, a silly question

Dancing strikes use duration is 0.75 s

Its cd is 0.7

Is there any benefit to running cdr?

Or am i reading it wrong

Oh i think its reduced delay after the duration is over?

[dusky schooner]

This feels like an oversimplification. They both have pros and cons. Daggers work with talon knives and help dive bomb scale better. If you’re maining umbral damage, then you would rather aerial come off cooldown faster

[night spruce]

Of each element? 🤔

[primal geode]

great explanation

[dusky schooner]

Haven’t mathed to see how far bows and daggers are apart since the talon knives nerf

[primal geode]

honestly i'm think about going back to the bows

[terse bloom]

https://youtu.be/HfCKxJ_qVuE

1.64s aberrothh

bleed bomb falconer

[frank olive]

[radiant flume]

hahahaha wtf

[elder condor]

Talon knives nerf?

[dusky schooner]

talon knives was 60% in 1.0 and 1.1. It's 30% now

[elder condor]

You like eagles or something

[glass stag]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Thewan2345/character/120mm other than red rings which i'm currently working towards. would heart be a better option than sphere. trading damage for survivability?

aim is to get uber.

[dusky schooner]

Yes, I do bird photography and touch grass while looking at birds.

I took the picture in my pfp

[elder condor]

Is this why you’re a falconer main

[dusky schooner]

Yes

If falconer wasn’t a class I probably wouldn’t have tried last epoch. It’s the point that sold me in 1.0

[elder condor]

I always admired an eagle. A symbol of leadership and prosperity

Actually isn’t killing an eagle illegal lol

[elder condor]

Bruh lmao

[flint turret]

Depending on your damage output, you might end up in a situation when the last phase will take more than 3 minutes and you will have to constantly stay in pools and lasers which apply heavy ward retention debuff. I recommend either trying to increase ward gain per second as much as possible or leech with life version

[dusky schooner]

yes, theyre still protected in the US

theres a nest 2 blocks from my home. So i get to watch them often

[elder condor]

I wonder what the crime would be or like how long of sentence we talking about?

[elder condor]

Awe that’s nice

[dusky schooner]

I have a question, since I never used this node: Do you still hit the enemy when using it?

and with dark allies it makes 5 shadows?

[flint turret]

You generate a shadow instead of yourself while you are hiding in a shadow realm

[dusky schooner]

so if you never hit it, that deactivates the crit multi node on falconry

[flint turret]

Your shadows are you anyway tho

[dusky schooner]

are they? hmm

[harsh arch]

is the maxroll heartseeker build any good?

[dusky schooner]

like this node doesn't work for shadow falcons, only main falcon, so was unsure on that point

[flint turret]

It doesn't work when you convert main dive to shadow or?

[dusky schooner]

You know what, not sure. I never test that node since it breaks my builds damage always

so i never use birds arent real or test it

[flint turret]

If you mean that it works only on initial hit and doesn't for following shadow dives, that's probably because it can trigge I ly once per skill use

It doesn't say on every hit

[dusky schooner]

well, i can give you a counterpoint

[faint drum]

Question, what are these highlighted buffs? where do they come from?

[dusky schooner]

when dive bomb was bugged and the main bird didn't hit at all, shadow falcons still would, and the node did nothing

[flint turret]

Hmmmm

Yeah hard to explain that, unless it doesn't count shadow dive as dive at all

[dusky schooner]

also this node doesnt work for dive bomb shadow falcons

(or at least didn't in 1.1, i havent tested it in 1.2)

same w/ bleed pop

[flint turret]

3 is smoke blades, 10 is probably gathering fury buff

[radiant flume]

🤣

[flint turret]

It does on initial dive no?

At least it did for me

[serene crane]

Entangling Roots definitely work as intended

[dusky schooner]

yes, initial dive only (i meant for shadow falcons, it didn't)

[flint turret]

Again, you mean on converted main shadow dive or the follow-ups? It can't apply to follow ups because it's already consumed by the main one and stacks are gone

[dusky schooner]

i think it can only apply to the main dive, and shadow falcons can't even consume it if main dive misses/doesn't hit

[flint turret]

Hmmm, interesting

I didn't consider the scenario where main dive misses and only shadows hit

But it shouldn't make any difference

[slate mulch]

I’m seeing a shadow cascade shadow daggers build with atropos scissors speed farming 600 corr

[dusky schooner]

you can actually force that

[slate mulch]

Looks very fun

[flint turret]

Even if it misses it still consumes it because it's on use rather then on hit

[slate mulch]

I was under the impression the scissors buff couldn’t be stacked high or would be consumed too fast to be useful

[dusky schooner]

ya

almost done w/ khazan then maybe ill try to hop back into LE for a bit

just trying to plan what changes i'd like to make

[flint turret]

600 corr wasn't remotely a problem before 1.2 either with cascade or shadow daggers, they start to fall of closer to 1000

(as most ethical builds do)

[slate mulch]

Yeah I was just surprised at how fast it was

Although I suppose my only experience at high corruption was with a non meta rive voidncleave from 1.0 that was very slow so I don’t know what true speed is

Seeing falconer clears is mind boggling

[teal matrix]

truth, and really easy cheap to build, just slam t7 dex to everything, my set is mediocre at best and im killing uber less than a minute per run

[terse bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ujYD3QfU2Y&t=4s

6019 corr dragon/harb/orobyss with bleed bomb

[fallen forge]

now go uabby 😄

record timer !

[teal matrix]

Juse dropped a vid = i watch

[slate mulch]

Jesus the falcon pet is probably stronger than 50 blade dancers fused together

[flint turret]

Judging by aberroth kill numbers, it's closer to 250

[slate mulch]

💀

[flint turret]

3 vs 750+

[slate mulch]

Does corruption loot rarity have a point of diminishing returns?

[elder condor]

I feel like I need a macro with this build especially once you start getting all the gear pieces lol. Just instant spam

[paper leaf]

reroll hs and make same dmg , g ogo

[sinful anvil]

Having trouble scaling well at 92. Currently playing the umbral blades leveling build, and I’m not exactly struggling, but I feel like I don’t kill certain things fast enough. Exiled mages require a lot of stacks of armor shred. Any ideas on improving damage?

[fallen forge]

time to swap on endgame version i think

[paper leaf]

Idk, if i convert streng to dex and echant to lv 5 the resistances is this a good helmet to use on a peak of the mountain 4lp? I can't find one like what iwant =/

[flint turret]

Vit is kinda meh, but at least it's not useless

[paper leaf]

idk i got the bse of this for 500k, (like free) i will try to havoc dex and pray :C

[flint turret]

This one is better for sure

Low roll dex tho

[paper leaf]

sad

[flint turret]

Pretty good

Max roll hp

[paper leaf]

but no dex 😦

[flint turret]

26% HP is 4-5 prefixes for stout idols for hp

4-5 prefixes for cold pen will be up to 30% cold pen

30% cold pen > 8 dex

[paper leaf]

ooook

[flint turret]

If you want both max dex and max pen, it's a different story tho

[paper leaf]

Nha it's fine, i will use it

a lot of hp, more dmg coz %inc d mg with bow too

[elder condor]

How many umbral blades can I have on the screen at once?

Man so many different variants of the build. Did y’all go with nhilus for the amulet

[paper leaf]

=C no idea , are u using josue build?

[alpine blade]

You do not have access to this command.

[paper leaf]

best 2° stat for belt?

[serene crane]

Single SD falconer probably throws more shadow daggers during a single Uberroth fight than Ive ever thrown in the past 4 months

[flint turret]

Dunno, cdr or hp or res or cleance probably

[paper leaf]

wait there is

a troaka 4lp on market

[vital nest]

Damn and I thought i was lucky getting a 3lp one haha

[paper leaf]

there is only 1 4lp on market

idk if buy it O_O

[flint turret]

Hs players jump to falconers it seems

[serene crane]

The cycle repeats once again

I really hope 1.3 kills that D4 class by a looot 😄

[daring yew]

I've been messing around on the classic lightning chakram build and it's a pretty good time

What would you say is the most Uber viable build for bladedancer?

[flint turret]

Meh, I don't really believe it. It has too many broken interactions and they won't fix all at once for sure. On the contrary they are adding things like razorfall and inheritance amulet to multiply them

[dusky schooner]

theyre nerfing it the wrong way

and the sad thing is...there are still bugged interactions that don't work. If those get fixed, it's free power level

and this season had mega power creep with the new idols

and ease of getting gear

[flint turret]

Pretty much

[serene crane]

Is any other class even using the Erased amulet? 😄

[dusky schooner]

but every node multiplies every other node

[flint turret]

Snapshotting golemancer probably

To burst down Uber

[serene crane]

Falconer's multipliers are probably the only thing that multiply more than my hate crimes in pvp games

[dusky schooner]

and items like shattered worlds are a no brainer