🔪┃rogue

[dusky schooner]

i dont buy it

and i also think its extremely improbable to proc melee on a mark

[undone dune]

it seems ot me that the flat damage is all applying to the bird significantly more than it should ive been saying this for a few days now. It makes midnight aviary go do absurd things

[flint turret]

I would really like to hear how does anyone imagine shadows daggers triggering the mark. I can only think of one scenario and it's omegabad

[undone dune]

but it seems to be only the flat damage on weapons because I tested it with zerrick's set bonus and the damage wasnt added to the bird at all

[dusky schooner]

The amount of false claims ive seen over bird damage this season is remarkable kek

flat damage on weapon does nothing on its own unless you transfer it

easy to see with a fat 2h weapon

[stiff sable]

Anyone got a really hard hitting heartseeker build they using?

[undone dune]

so you think my dps would go up if i crafted minion damage over flat damage on weapon?

[dusky schooner]

i dont know your build

i cant tell you what will and wont help you

[undone dune]

its the same build juse has been showing videos of for days

but before he swapped to synch strike to do memes on target dummys

[dusky schooner]

Nobody has been free of making mistakes on how to scale bird, Juse included.

[undone dune]

2 traitor's tonuges with flat damage to scale divebomb damage

all the damage seems to be comming from something transfering way too much flat damage to the bird and then midnight aviary beeing a silly damage scalar

[dusky schooner]

smoke grenade + avian arsenal + umbral xfer?

same as s0?

this isnt new tech

[undone dune]

s0 smoke grenades had infinite duration

and we had like 100 stacks of shadow daggers

but yeah

cloud gatherer could retrigger

[dusky schooner]

that didn't change where the stacking is coming from

[undone dune]

well the difference in damage between daggers with crit multi and daggers with t7 phys was like -50% kill time on uber abberoth

so its working for some reason

[dusky schooner]

crit multi only xfers via talon knives and the bottom right falconry node

and ONLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY if you hit the enemy

which is few and far between

sync strike only?

[undone dune]

yeah

well aware of this

[dusky schooner]

so ofc crit multi doesnt do much

[flint turret]

The amount of misinformation/mistakes on first Juse videos was astonishing when he first started to play falconer. But I have to give credit he at least listens and actually started to test stuff, so he's getting there. The "falconer express to Uber Abby" tourists tho... Well, being tourists

[undone dune]

but someone still posted a video with crit multi daggers

and then someone said no those dont work use flat because this node transfers the flat damage to the bird

and the damage went way up

[dusky schooner]

Agree fully, and it's not like I don't make mistakes too, but some people just argue points that they don't understand and stand firm to it

[flint turret]

Falconer will get fixed, theyll jump to something else and forget about it

Like melee trap da in 1.0 ended up

[undone dune]

I just wish they could figure out a way to make hte tooltips for falconer less wordy

i have no clue what half hte stuff does

[dusky schooner]

read it, and don't assume. It does exactly what it says and nothing more. That or it doesn't work at all. Those are your options with falconer 🙂

[undone dune]

why does make half of character physical damage into minion physical damage

[dusky schooner]

it doesnt work with physical damage at all

[undone dune]

but it does

[flint turret]

It doesn't bro

[undone dune]

because i take off a piece of gear that buffs physical damage and the minion physical on the character sheet goes down

[dusky schooner]

shouldn't and didn't in the past

[undone dune]

i unspec hte node and the minion physical damage goes down

[dusky schooner]

unless changed in 1.2

[undone dune]

so its doing it

i have no idea why though

because it shouldn't

[flint turret]

Show proof

[undone dune]

#🔪┃rogue message

[flint turret]

Have you read affixes on jungle ever?

[tropic cloud]

how is detonating arrow performing? seems no builds for it around

[gentle basalt]

that belt has 2 lines

[undone dune]

i guess not

becuase i got got

that guy said the t7 physical was just giving half to his bird

and that it was this node

but i guess JQ does htat anyway

[dusky schooner]

kek

[flint turret]

Falconer and the tourists of Azkaban

Story of my life

[dusky schooner]

at least im consistently bird main, and even if it was bad i'd still play it

[undone dune]

if only HS did enough damage that it was uber viable that build at least makes sense

just get more flat damage and hit more

[dusky schooner]

i mean bird makes sense

you just have to properly read

[undone dune]

no it doesn't

[flint turret]

I killed Uber with crit hs in low lp gear bro. It's about dedication, which is a concept that falconers cannot fathom

[undone dune]

i cant deal with uber for 10+ mins

if EHG thinks thats a resonable request they are tripping

thats just too much of a marathon for a boss that 1 taps me

i can do like 5-6 mins tops

[flint turret]

Whatever

[undone dune]

maybe thats just a skill issue on my part

[flint turret]

Like I said my expectations from sent and falconers are pretty low anyway

[undone dune]

i played HS first this season I really like it in echos

i just wanted to also kill uber

[flint turret]

Same bro, same

But I didn't jump to sent or falconer that's the only difference

[undone dune]

i leveled a 2nd rogue actually I sitll have the HS one

trying to make it work with random upgrades

[daring yew]

My main is a shield basher who can tank almost anything but can't deal enough damage to do Uber. Did a 5 minute attempt yesterday and got him to 70%

Id need a godly 2lp horizon to have a chance but the only one I found failed the slam

[undone dune]

ok I have a wird falcon question, why is throwing damage on inheritance better than phys pen/crit multi

isn't divebomb not a throwing skill so it wouldn't scale that

because unlike character throwing damage when you transfer throwing damage to the bird it shouldn't also scale minion melee hits

or is it somehow featherfall doing all the damage

[gentle basalt]

ok it looks like shift can be put < 1.8s even without the double shift daggers so that opens up more setups for that probably

even though its way easier with shift daggers (or the shift boots i guess)

[dusky schooner]

I dont see why it would be better than multi

kind of weird if it is

[undone dune]

idk if it is or not

i dont have one to test it

i use a multi neck although I can for sure see the argument for phys pen

I just know that the the guide Juse posts recomends throwing on inheritance

[flint turret]

Bro just read the nodes

[undone dune]

i am reading the nodes

[flint turret]

Avian arsenal says it all

[undone dune]

but this isn't that

inhertiance puts the stat on the bird directly

it isn't turning it into anything else

[flint turret]

Read avian arsenal

[undone dune]

avian arsenal and avian hurl both convert it into melee

but inheritance of the erased doesn't

[cosmic briar]

sadly u can in 75% times dnt give a fck about wording in skills

cos they work in wrong/weird way

😄

[paper leaf]

omg this helmet, .-. immagine it with bow dmg and t5 res >_> F market

[cosmic briar]

(at least while we talk about Falconer, cant be sure about overs, cos with HS i hadnt problems like this)

[flint turret]

That's also true, I'd heavily recommend testing everything that's written. But even more often people just don't read at all

[undone dune]

I could see the argument that having +40 or w/e t7 is throwing damage on neck is better than giving the minion 100 crit multi but i just dont see how giving the minion +80 throwing damage does anything for divebomb damage it should only affect AA

[flint turret]

Reading avian arsenal waiting room

[undone dune]

you read it

where on it does it say that it converts minion throwing damage into minion melee damage

it says it converts player throwing damage into minion melee

thats a different stat

[flint turret]

It's literally written there

[undone dune]

are you reading what im writing?

[flint turret]

I have no idea what are you reading, I'm saying it's written in avian arsenal

[undone dune]

do you understand what inheritance of the erased does

because im not asking how throwing damage affects divebomb

im asking how throwing damage that I have transfered as throwing damage to my bird through a mechanic that is not avian arsenal or avian hurl for that matter affects divebomb

[flint turret]

Okay that's good already, you figured it out?

[undone dune]

no

#🔪┃rogue message unless this is the answer

and no one bothered to test it

because the neck is so hard to roll

but you are saying just read bro

[flint turret]

You do realize that stats you transfer, are still staying on you, right?

[undone dune]

???

they do both

if the stat i trasnsfer was doing nothing on the bird then a different neck would be better

thats my whole point

wouldn't a throwing damage nihilis be better than a throwing damage inheritance if transfered throwing did nothing

i guess if i could somehow find a mythical t7 throwing + t7multi inheritance that would clearly be better

[flint turret]

You tell me, after trying it out

[undone dune]

but the neck is too hard ot get the mods you want on

so im asking if theres some reason people think the other thing is better that I dont have

[flint turret]

Is there a reason people believe in god?

Do they have it?

Did they try it?

[cosmic briar]

😄

Its the best explanation i ever seen

[flint turret]

You either believe or you try yourself, that's the only options

[dusky schooner]

avian hurl and avian arsenal

[undone dune]

what about feather knives

do those do a lot of damage?

i only just realized those are a thing

i never really looked at that node as nything but a travle point before

[cosmic briar]

not at all

since boss can be hit only 1 time

well, with 10% of one time extra 😄

[undone dune]

feather knives is not that mechanic

[dusky schooner]

yeah feather knives was always kind of shit to me

[cosmic briar]

and another funny thing that 'extra hit' doesnt work, while 10% for extra hit work

why? who the fck knows

[undone dune]

feather knives is an extra hit with 250% damage effectiveness every time you consume hunters mark

[cosmic briar]

XDDDDDDDDDDD

[cosmic briar]

problem is it does zero damage compared to stacks from umbral

[undone dune]

fair

[cosmic briar]

but its 1 more stack, so...

[undone dune]

im just trying to find stuff that scales with throwing damage on the bird

but the big hitter seems t obe divebomb critting for 1.2 billion or w/e

[dusky schooner]

avian hurl and avian arsenal iirc

[cosmic briar]

aaaaaaaand not

it isnt dive, cos while we adding shadow damage instead of dive bomb damage our DPS is higher

[undone dune]

or was it 120milllion

[cosmic briar]

😄

[undone dune]

i might not be able to cont

[cosmic briar]

check and mate

[undone dune]

isn't shadow falcons shadow damage?

[dusky schooner]

Yes

[undone dune]

and divebomb has those

[cosmic briar]

-with 25% less

[dusky schooner]

But the main bird isn’t

[cosmic briar]

75%*

[dusky schooner]

70 Kek

[undone dune]

but only the shadow falcons trigger midnight aviary

[cosmic briar]

are u sure? 😄

[undone dune]

thats what it says

[cosmic briar]

[undone dune]

am i sure? no

something is doing way to much damage

[dusky schooner]

They only benefit, not trigger

[cosmic briar]

i said, as soon as u starting try to check iteractions there and try out something wich MUST work

[undone dune]

well yes benefit not trigger sorry

but only shadow falcons should scale with it

so shadow damage makes sense

[cosmic briar]

ok its 150more (maybe) and 70 less

[undone dune]

i think those are addative

[cosmic briar]

so god bless if 70 more in total

thats why i said more and not increased

[undone dune]

stuff within a single passive tree is generally addative unless it states multiplicitve with other modifiers

which both of htose nodes do state

but i still think its addatie becuase the math isn't mathing otherwise

also how does razorfall work is it +1 blade per 20 dex, or does it actually just throw 1 blade per 20 dex meaning at below 120 dex you throw lessblaes with razorfall than without

because the base should be 6

[cosmic briar]

+1 isnt (0+1) it must be (base+1)

[undone dune]

ok

[cosmic briar]

where base is constant

[undone dune]

so 16 blades that last for hwat 4 volleys each? is 16*4*5

[cosmic briar]

Aerial Assault's Burst of Feathers includes 1 Umbral Blade per 20 Dexterity
These Umbral Blades behave the same way as those thrown by the Twighlight Strike node on the Aerial Assault tree and cannot target the same enemies as those Umbral Blades or each other

i think this shit is bugged to be honest

[undone dune]

thats 320% more from that node

[cosmic briar]

i mean

[undone dune]

im not sure how long they linger in the ground though

[cosmic briar]

woding here says

it cannot hit same enemies as umbral blades from Twilight Strike

[dusky schooner]

wat

you dont care about umbral damage

the blades literally sit in the ground

[undone dune]

no you care how many umbral blades are in the ground

[dusky schooner]

you can watch them poof

[undone dune]

thats what im trying to figure out

how many AA can you cast before the old ones poof

[cosmic briar]

not only

[undone dune]

its like 4 ish right?

[dusky schooner]

i used to be able to get 2.5 volleys worth on the ground

4 sounds like a lot

[undone dune]

hmm

maybe 3

[dusky schooner]

idk how much more cdr you have than my 1.1 build

[undone dune]

im just doing napkin math

i dont have LE open so i honeslty dont konw

if you think its 2 ill say its 2

[cosmic briar]

u forgot about Shadow Daggers stack

[undone dune]

im not calculating dmaage

im calculating midnight aviary bonus

16*2.5*5 is still like 200% more damage for shadow falcons

[dusky schooner]

sync strike has a big additive for shadow damage as well, after using it

[undone dune]

which if it was multiplicitive would still put them at less damage than the normal divebomb should be doing

[cosmic briar]

hm

also i realised one more interesting shit now

[gentle basalt]

the amount of hem on ground is very simple math so you should have accurate number just check your cooldown and divide the duration by that

[undone dune]

but the cooldown is dynamic

[cosmic briar]

😄

how about that

[gentle basalt]

well time the cooldown, its not changing randomly

[undone dune]

I tihnk this only affects umbrals thrown by the skill umbral blades

becuase its in the umbralblades tree

[cosmic briar]

maybe

[undone dune]

just like how when you add acid flasks in the acid flask tree the falcon still juts throws the 1

[cosmic briar]

but does it must or not

[dusky schooner]

this conversation is confusing me

[undone dune]

it does though

[dusky schooner]

ive done a lot of testing on this node in 1.1,what's the question?

[undone dune]

it has a 20% chance to lower on hit

[gentle basalt]

yea, so there is average value

its not magic or random

[undone dune]

can you find a tooltip that says how long umbral blades linger in the ground for?

[gentle basalt]

i tried to look but cant

[cosmic briar]

question is from wich part we do most of our damage while playing umbral blades falconer with dual daggers

[cosmic briar]

sure

[undone dune]

where is the damage come from

because right now as best anyone can tell me its "thin air"

the damage just happens

the nodes people say are increasing the damage dont math out to anywhere near enough damage

[cosmic briar]

6 sec

[gentle basalt]

isnt the latest setup ppl use basically all just dive bomb damage

[cosmic briar]

Nope

[gentle basalt]

the one where you dont spec exploding blades the actual umbrals do pretty much nothing at all

[undone dune]

they claim its shadow falcon damage

[gentle basalt]

yea so dive bomb

[cosmic briar]

meh

[cosmic briar]

any tree where its unspec - its for clear maps

we spec in explode and rotating blades for mapping only

and unspec it for bossing

[gentle basalt]

yes

so umbrals themselves on bosses arent part of the damage

[cosmic briar]

Shadow Daggers is part

[undone dune]

shadow falcon divebom should do 25% of the damage normal divebomb does, assuming you are getting an average of 2.5 AAs off in 6 seconds and have 200 dex you are getting 200% more damage from midnight aviary, you also get 50% more damage from skills used by shadows due to synch strike, that means your shadow falcon can do a maximum of like 1.12% of divebombs damage

the crits we are seeing are way higher than that

[cosmic briar]

and reason for unspec explosions and rotating blades is for more hits wich will inflict shadow daggers stacks

[undone dune]

no its not more shadow dagger stacks, its more midnight aviary damage

the explosions cuase more shadow dagger stacks

[cosmic briar]

so i can bet that dive bomb IS NOT main sourse of damage

[gentle basalt]

explosions and rotating give more shadow dagger stacks than without

[undone dune]

because the daggers not getting recalled (or exploded) means you are getting half hte umbral hits which means half hte shadow dagger stacks

[cosmic briar]

can i ask how rotating can give more stacks if

[gentle basalt]

anyway found the tooltip, they persist on ground for 6 seconds

letools just doesnt have it on site but its in game on alt

[cosmic briar]

i said that before

[undone dune]

ahh yeah

ok

[cosmic briar]

here

[undone dune]

a single bladestorm will hit like 6 times

instead of once

0.6 * 6 > 1

[livid scroll]

Have you guys enjoyed the new marksman? I’m lvl 54 and so far it’s smooth

[gentle basalt]

you also still get 1 base hit always

when you throw the bladestorm

[undone dune]

HS very fun

[cosmic briar]

so what the reason to unspec this on bosses then?

[undone dune]

midnight aviaray damage

[cosmic briar]

and why we dealing less damage with that

[gentle basalt]

so you dont destroy your blades on ground

so you get more stacks for shadows

[flint turret]

Heartseeker is the best skill rogue ever had

[livid scroll]

Yea I’m loving it. Ailments vs crit though 🤔

[gentle basalt]

explosions kill the blades

[cosmic briar]

ok, forget explosions, i asking about bladestorms

[gentle basalt]

im not sure if blaedstorms alone kill the blades when you go over the cap

[cosmic briar]

no, cos u stil have blades on ground

[undone dune]

i think crit has better clear speed

[gentle basalt]

but if not then heres no reason to unspec those

[flint turret]

That's the best part, everything works

[undone dune]

i think both work for sure

[cosmic briar]

but somehow its reducing single target dps

why?

[gentle basalt]

anything but frostbite as far as ailmenst for hearseekergoes feels ass in 500+ corruption

[livid scroll]

Ok cool. I have a ton of bleed stuff so I’ll experiment and see what works

[gentle basalt]

poison hs is unplayalbe in monos in general

[livid scroll]

Haha true . What did you play?

[gray helm]

lvl 87 midnight aviary uber-roth lol..193 dex - muted cuz hawk noises be annoying haha

[flint turret]

Started as fire crit then transitionoed in cold crit. I'm not a fan of dot in general, but frostbite hs is pretty good

[undone dune]

because midnight aviary wants umbral blades in the gorund and bladestorm isn't in the ground

so you are giving up 3 stacks

of your like 40

[cosmic briar]

here

[undone dune]

which doesnt sound like much

[cosmic briar]

why u wasnt do damage in first 5 seconds of fight?

[livid scroll]

Gotcha. Tbf I do want to try out reign of winter

[gentle basalt]

i dont see blades on ground when you go over the cap with beyblades btw

so i think it deletes them

[flint turret]

Yeah it's an awesome go-to weapon for it

[undone dune]

ohh well if it deletes them that would be an issue

[cosmic briar]

Guys check Jonneh video

How about moments where he dnt hit uberroth with no reason?

[gray helm]

i am 87, and midnight aviary is a ramp up build

other wise, the ramp up would be more noticeable at a higher level

[cosmic briar]

its not about you

[gentle basalt]

yea tested it few times again, so unless its a visual bug, which i dobut it is

then cacophony deletes extra blades

by default

[cosmic briar]

is its visual bug, bos still must receive damage

[gentle basalt]

so that i why you unspec also that one

[cosmic briar]

ok

can we take a look on video pls

[gentle basalt]

no, i know you still get the hit on spawn

[cosmic briar]

0.00-0.13

[gentle basalt]

im saying it do not persists in the ground

also can you link the vid then

[cosmic briar]

check this

[livid scroll]

Right on 👍 did you ever use gathering fury bow?

[cosmic briar]

0:00-0:15

[undone dune]

boss doesn't take damage for first 13 seconds thats normal

he is invincilbe while walking down the stairs

[flint turret]

I killed Uber Abby with it

[cosmic briar]

no that is not normal, check Juse videos

[livid scroll]

No way

[flint turret]

Yes way

[undone dune]

juse waits for him to walk down the stairs

then divebombs in

[cosmic briar]

he is invulnerable while he walk down

[livid scroll]

Ok I gotta try that then

[cosmic briar]

but not then he start casting explode

[flint turret]

Video in #🎥┃video-shoutout and somewhere above here

[undone dune]

he wont start casting till you get near

but if you walk up right away he is invulnerable

[cosmic briar]

can u pls open vid?)

[livid scroll]

Sweeeet thx 🙏

[gentle basalt]

oh, that one doesnt have any of the 2 umbarl nodes specced and the blades are persisting

[undone dune]

this is what all of my attempts look like

[gentle basalt]

or was that unrelated to the umbral beyblade discussion

[cosmic briar]

unrelated

i interested why his opening of fight deals no damage

[undone dune]

he isn't stacking shadow blades early, and he moves mouse away from boss

[cosmic briar]

before 2-3 smoke bombs with no reason

sometimes for me its same way, but sometimes not

[undone dune]

divebomb doesn't do damage if you dont have shadows spawned

because midnight aviary is only shadow falcon damage

and as we discussed midnight aviary is the damage scalar

[dusky schooner]

a damage scaler

[cosmic briar]

thats why u cast smokebomb before boss came, question is why sometimes even with shadows spawned u deal no damage

[dusky schooner]

not the

[undone dune]

you just miss?

[cosmic briar]

Miss?

[undone dune]

boss just like moves slightly to hte side

[cosmic briar]

From where we can get some accuracy in that game, i am sorry???

[undone dune]

skill issue

[cosmic briar]

pfft

[dusky schooner]

this goes back to my first point

[cosmic briar]

i am very sorry but after ~600 unerroths i can bet what i do same way any fight

[dusky schooner]

and you either read and the skill does exactly what it says

or it doesnt work at all

and for ~ a year, dive bomb was bugged where the main falcon wouldn't hit enemies with 4 shadows spawned

[undone dune]

i still think theres a bugged interaction somehwere causing the damage ot go too high

[cosmic briar]

so it must deal no damage in any fight or it must deal damage

[dusky schooner]

there are lots of targeting bugs with dive bomb

most have now been fixed

[undone dune]

becuase that guy with good gear is critting for like 1.5 million and somehow synch strike is 100x that damage?

[dusky schooner]

No - have you actually read every single multiplicative thing that scales dive bomb? It's absurd

dex scales dive bomb like 3 different ways alone

[undone dune]

yeah

i guess it just scales out of control

[tulip mesa]

Fastest 300-500 corruption rogue build?

[undone dune]

500 corruption? smokeweaver shift shadowcaascade probably although it slows down on bosses

it just physically moves the fastest

HS clearsped is pretty dam fast though

falconer just slightly behind because you have to wait for like a 2 second cooldown to come up to kill something every once in a while

[tulip mesa]

Can my boss killer kill my rogues bosses or are all timelines separate.

[undone dune]

all timelines seporate

if you want to play a rogue build to 500 corruption i would probably recomend HS

especially if you have a boss killing sentinal already

its the most fun rogue build I played this season

[gentle basalt]

properly built hs should be fine till 1k at least most likely

im at 800 with super scuffed frostbite setup

[tough viper]

can someone suggest me how to increase my survivability? i jus reached lvl 100 corruption.. empowered mode, trying to farm for strands of soul (Fall of outcast) but the boss randomly just 1 taps me... from full hp

these are my gear rn..

[wary cedar]

thats my gear

[gentle basalt]

well i would start with at least trying to get close to capping resistances and capping endurance

just throw on some random resist gear and idols for now you rly dont need the damage atm anyway

[tough viper]

how much res is considered good?

[wary cedar]

75

its the cap

[tough viper]

hmm okay, should i get all kinds of res ? or just focus on fire res cos im trying to kill abombination?

[gentle basalt]

void necrotic and phys are stuff you def want to capped at minimum those 3 felt like most annoying element to me

[wary cedar]

its not hard to hit the cap for all

[gentle basalt]

at least you got necrotic sorted i guess lul

[undone dune]

I generally get a lot of my elemental resists from idols actually

[gentle basalt]

and rest at least at 50 if you rly cant cap

but yea capping ele is ez from idols

[wary cedar]

all res blessing, nihilis or omnis, and 2 rr, and you re capped for all resistences

[gentle basalt]

idk if theres even anything super dangerous thats poison ngl

[tough viper]

hmm alright,... rn my necrotic is 139%... i gotta move some stuff around ig.,.

what does endurance do?

[wary cedar]

nothing

you dont wnat this

[undone dune]

most dangerous poison hit right here

[tough viper]

but this guy said cap endurance =/

[undone dune]

endurance comes laiter

[gentle basalt]

resists are def priority

you can farm the endu blessing after you get them capped and thats solved too 👌

[undone dune]

generally cap your resists, as you get better idols and better gear with implicit resists you increase your health, once you get to high corruption and are completeing your build you fill in extra defense layers like crit avoiance and endurance

[tough viper]

mm alright

[undone dune]

there are some cheap ways to get high endurance/crit avoidance early if your build feels super squishy and you need it

[tough viper]

this should be fine now?

[wary cedar]

@tough viper btw i wouldnt focus on defensiv as rouge that early in the game, easier content you can just overwhelm with enough dmg

so you have clear speed and get more loot faster

[gentle basalt]

i think you should fill in your endurance way sooner than after getting to high corruption btw because its very efficient defense, especially on rogue

[undone dune]

there is a blessing from black sun timeline that can fix your void res

can get 75 from that alone early on

stuff like that can fill in some holes

[manic prism]

id guess you need solid exalteds rather than legendaries rn. in my gameplay i was able to go 250corruption smoothly with good exalted gear and then started transitioning into legendaries.

[undone dune]

your health is also super low

[flint turret]

Legendaries are easier to get than solid exalteds tho

[undone dune]

you might want to try to get extra health on gloves or something its a slot thats generally low dps impact

[manic prism]

idk i bought double t6 gear from mg

[flint turret]

Titan heart 1lp will beat 99% of exalts and it's super easy to get

[elder condor]

I am a rogue main!

[undone dune]

oh wait your shurikens gloves might be important

[tough viper]

ah cos im trying to go for low health varient...

[undone dune]

im not sure where t ofit it

[tough viper]

but then i dont have the main chest piece yet =/

[undone dune]

you uhh need health to convert to ward

[gentle basalt]

well cant start with being low health and having no ward

[undone dune]

when you go low health

you gain ward per missing health

[cosmic briar]

75 necrotic => this guy is for sure respect necrotic lazzer thing

[undone dune]

what you dont want is regen or leech

[gentle basalt]

the ward amount being lower than your actual life should tell you something at this point

[flint turret]

Lowlife is not recommend to start with, this build doesn't really work without good 2 lp items and good idols

[undone dune]

also i dont think endurance matters for ward builds

it should only protect hits that damage your life

[eager mason]

I thought mantle isnt supposed to work with falcon

[gentle basalt]

yea i did not expected for this to be ward build

endu does nothing there ofc

[tough viper]

ah okay... what would u recommend me use then?

[flint turret]

Same build just with life and leech

[undone dune]

just get boots with life and spec into some leech

[flint turret]

You can transition into lowlife later

[tough viper]

alright, any kind of good shoes to recommend?

[flint turret]

Lots of good options, from exalted to anything you can slam with 2lp

[undone dune]

for exalted boots i would just say anything with like any healht suffix and movespeed

you dont have to be picky if they arn't your long term plan

[flint turret]

Mountain, stealth, metropolis, varion, erased, doesn't matter really

Oro boots good too

[tough viper]

okay

should i stick with woven flesh , or do i use titan heart?

[flint turret]

I recommend starting from chest, it gives the most hp

Titan 1lp is awesome

You cal solve crit reduction/avoidance either with a blessing or for example with tundra helm+citadel exalted boots

[serene crane]

damn, t7 crit multi on this

[flint turret]

Going some dot?

[tough viper]

oh okay ty

[serene crane]

Kinda want to try it out on bleed DS... some day... hopefully... maybe 😄

[undone dune]

I think puppet is using the chest with 100% crit avoidance on it

so its ok (for now)

[flint turret]

Hopefully the ones bleeding won't be your eyes

[serene crane]

puncture aberroth oneshot is like the only one I know about 😄

[flint turret]

Having 100% avoidance on 1100 hp doesn't do anything really. He needs hp badly

[undone dune]

for sure

[tough viper]

is stacking defence a thing?

[flint turret]

And that body was kinda nerfed

Avoidance affix/blessing now gives flat dodge, but they didn't add dodge to that body

[undone dune]

how does this work you just stack with shuriken or something?

[tough viper]

aww okay

[serene crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAf312jlTG0

[flint turret]

Dunno, rogue can stack pretty solid amount of armor if you commit to it, tundra helm is huge

[serene crane]

Some c700 echo with LM Event Horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on-QMHkjFME

[flint turret]

Is there a good reason for it is another question

Bladeshield+tundra is 2k armor alone almost

[undone dune]

this build has 1250 life lol

he just puncures 5 times then uses LM

[serene crane]

I mean its just to oneshot Aberroth, so ye 😄 no need for life

[flint turret]

Nop, but I played dota1/2 and hots, dunno how it's relevant tho

[undone dune]

I really wanted event horizon to be useable in a bear maul build because it doesn't scale with attackspeed only CDR, but the movement speed slow was too much

i know thats not a rogue build just thinking about it again

in general i cant imagine a 2h mace really being much of a rogue weapon though

[flint turret]

Damage looks decent... The gameplay on the other hand...

[tulip mesa]

Are there any mobs with elemental penetration?

[flint turret]

All of them

[undone dune]

short answer you sometimes get cursed for -20 all res but its rare

[serene crane]

Ye the damage boost from EH is pretty great 😄 idk, Ive never really tried to cook anything with it, Im too lazy to properly read it 😄

[flint turret]

Every mob has 75% penetration

[undone dune]

long answer: every mob penetrates 75% of your resistance which means you technically have 0% less damage taken at cap but capping is still important

and that penetration happens after the cap so it doesnt matter

[tulip mesa]

Sorry I meant specifically mobs that necessitate over 75

[undone dune]

there is an echo modifier that can give you -20 res from cursing you

at least I think that still exists

but theres no reason to aim for 95% res for it

it cant happen on bosses

[tough viper]

ty i finally beat the boss... this isnt too bad now right?

[tulip mesa]

Almost all my res are 100 or higher. And my endurance is 89 (29 over). I need to trade those stats for hp at some point. especially when I get the +res timeline blessinf

[wary cedar]

just beat lagoon omg

[tough viper]

because there isnt enough stats to go around

[manic prism]

fellow hots enjoyer, i bet you mained maive or valeera

[wary cedar]

story boss

[undone dune]

wait isn't that an alt? why are you doing act 8

[wary cedar]

i m lv 46

[undone dune]

you can just skip from act 5 to act 9

[wary cedar]

HUH

[undone dune]

yeah

[wary cedar]

i already did 2 of the dungeons

[undone dune]

you just go through timles sanctum

ohhh you did soulfire bastion

[serene crane]

No no no, you need to beat Lagon as a sign of dominance

[undone dune]

thats a trap

[wary cedar]

tought i can only go there after him

idk

how it works

[undone dune]

you go from lightless arbor, and you kill hte act 4 boss, go into act 5 till you get hte sapphire tablet quest (about half way) then go through timles sanctum

you dont actually do soulfire bastion

thats what I do on my 1st character

on alts i love the dungeon skip

its so fast

[cosmic briar]

on first u will not have key

😄

[undone dune]

nah you just go to monos till a key drops

then go back to act 9

through timless

[cosmic briar]

monos before campaign end?

[undone dune]

yeah

as soon as passives are finished

[cosmic briar]

wut wait

[undone dune]

which is about 2/3s of ice area completed

[cosmic briar]

i mean on your first character

[undone dune]

yeah

100%

[flint turret]

I see what you mean. No, not really I mostly preferred mages I think in mobas. As for my shift in my recommendations on the glass cannon-tank spectrum for rogue more into tankiness, it's mostly because I don't like dying much in monos and I don't like zhp builds at all, because they ignore the big part of a gameplay design. The second reason being that it's what people usually ask for. People usually know how to get more damage, but when they ask for advice it's usually how to stay alive. My advice are usually based on the best "value per item" and "value per affix" ratios while keeping in mind the accessibility of what I'm recommending. I have no idea if the guy is cof or mg, I have no idea if he will play for 1 day or a week. I can't just say "just get 2lp reen, 1lp red rings, 2lp null, and you will solve your damage and defence". I recommend starting with 1lp titan, which shouldn't really be an issue to solve hp, 0-1lp anchor to solve armor and endurance, and tundra to solve crit avoidance/reduction, because I don't even know if the person is willing to commit to farming blessings yet.

[cosmic briar]

how u can go monos before campaign end

[undone dune]

yo ucan enter monos as soon as you choose a mastery

at like level 20

good luck killing anything though

[cosmic briar]

xD

[strong venture]

Congrats

[cosmic briar]

i need a try at least a couple of times before S3

[undone dune]

i havn't killed campaign lagon sine like before 1.0

[cosmic briar]

cos its a huge timeskip and very usefull for MG player at start

[undone dune]

you lose a tiny bit of MG rep because you wont start earning it till you get your first timless sanctum key dorp

which can take up to like level 75 ish

[cosmic briar]

its probably not about favour

[undone dune]

yeah i kind of agree

just a warning

[cosmic briar]

ye

[undone dune]

you can practice it in solo character found

[deft comet]

what cool heartseeker variant is uber abby viable?

[cosmic briar]

need to compare... but i am sure it will be faster start

[tough viper]

you are like sooo edgy and cool

❤️

[flint turret]

Why? I was farming 700 cor as sd bd in 1.1 with staking armor and using only exalts and 0lp items. Was doing Abby too. It works fine

[undone dune]

rogue is very much the glass cannon of last epoch

[cosmic briar]

i think about start CoF => roll to MG, but problem is untradeable things will remain untradeable. And since most of benefits of CoF came not from fodder but from uniques, and they will be useless with tag

[tough viper]

I agree but still there has to be some balance somewhere for u guys to not die to strays all the time, and im not talking about super tanky, im jus trying to understand how most people isnt dying 1 shot, while I am.

[cosmic briar]

no reason to do that as it seems

[undone dune]

you can get tanky with a ton of investment but like 2 red rings and a ravenous void is not a reasonable suggestion to someone who wants to be tanky those are 3 of the rarest items in the game

[deft comet]

well the cold variant kills uber abby, just wondering if there are other versions 😆

[flint turret]

Poison i believe

[undone dune]

the short ansewr is aim for like 2500 hp, res capped, 100% crit avoidance, at least 800/40% endurance

and as much dodge as you can fit

oh and glancing blow stacks

[flint turret]

Endurance should be 60 or it doesn't make sense

[cosmic briar]

ravenous at least target framable

xD

[undone dune]

so did ragu

oh wait

i just read a god gamer xdd

[flint turret]

I would argue you on that. It's much more reasonable in cof than finding items to slam on 3-4lps

[undone dune]

its just not a short term solution

[flint turret]

That's for sure

[deft comet]

any builds I can yoink? 😂 just wanted a fun uber abby fight (coming from ES, Umbral Blade, and Judgement lol)

[undone dune]

im just too scared of a 15 min marathon fight to try ubber on my HS ill take my cheese umbral kill and like it even if i have 0 idea how the scaling actually works, thats why i followed the guide

[flint turret]

First define fun for you

If it's something that doesn't include 15 hours of practice at least, then I don't recommend hs

[deft comet]

I wanted to dance with uber aberroth using HS. Umbral falconer is just 1 min kills, ES VK is ES VK, and jugement just face tanks

[flint turret]

It's gonna be a 8-15 min fight when mots of thing one-shot you if you don't evade

[flint turret]

Sure, I got you

Look into #🎥┃video-shoutout or search the messages from me with YouTube link in here

It's omega ethical gear, no Uber items, no 2-4lp hard to get items

[serene crane]

I really hope EHG wont take long with the next class balance patch... 😄

[undone dune]

difficulty of mechanics is mostly good with the void line being an outlier in that its too punishing for how hard to see/how much damage it does, i think he has too much HP or in general the damage scaling of some builds is just too out of line to tune his HP correctly

[flint turret]

Nah I'm good. I already have some insane gear in stash, I don't wanna farm him anymore

[undone dune]

i think when played correctly all of the mechanics are dodgeable and rewarding to do well especially with the burning black hole clears

[serene crane]

Yea but doesnt mean there wont be any rogue changes

😭

[flint turret]

Bd got huge chakram buff tho

[undone dune]

i want a single rogue set item to be a viable alternatve to a legendary

is that too much to ask for?

[flint turret]

True

[undone dune]

because i think that would be cool

[flint turret]

The most disappointed I was when I saw the zerrick boots shard bonus

It's so stupid bruh

[undone dune]

zerrick glove set bonus isn't much better

0.3% leech at t7

[serene crane]

Forgotten Knight set but instead of some garbage there it converts your global bleed chance to time rot so we can finally do some proper void rogue

Oh right, class identity I forgot

[undone dune]

i want a rogue set, not a set rogues can use

theres a difference

the rogue sets are all awful mechanically

[serene crane]

kinda cant see a class identity over all the falconers abusing shadows even harder than a BD

Listen, stop using logic against me, I dont like it

[deft comet]

saw the builds, thanks!

[flint turret]

Bd needs something to become more relevant for sure. Mm at least got an awesome hs

[undone dune]

maybe BD will get a shiny new skill

[serene crane]

I mean it will... some day

[undone dune]

i mean next patch

[serene crane]

what if the new skill is Shadows Daggers tho?

[undone dune]

does BD have a sill that isn't shadow daggers?

[serene crane]

Not really... 😄 only generic rogue skills like Flurry

[undone dune]

if only flurry wasn't awful

[flint turret]

I would personally love sd and burning daggers being the new bd skills with the trees, and more ways to apply them

[serene crane]

On one side I would probably like it, but on the other side, it would look like a lazy way of designing a new skill

[undone dune]

80% damage effectiveness and basically nothing that increases its damage in its tree

[serene crane]

I think the damage is just a bit crappy... but fun skill to use, cant go wrong with uber fast attack speed

[flint turret]

Well.. ur right, but no new skills is more depressing still, especially when both of mastery locked skills are half-meme

[tough viper]

is thr any interesting buld with this bow? i dropped a 3LP one...

[undone dune]

theres a build callled ZHP ballista

it got nerfed this season but I think its still strong

[tough viper]

dang

[undone dune]

and basically built the same they just lowered some numbers i dont think they scuffed any of the mechanics

it was just way too good before

[flint turret]

Huge nerf on aoe I believe

[undone dune]

wasn't the big nerf to it 50% less int scaling?

[flint turret]

To exploding ballista? It was giving "more" aoe instead of increased aoe per dex

[tough viper]

whaaat

[undone dune]

ohh

that node

that wasn't ZHP though

[flint turret]

It was

[undone dune]

ok maybe it was

i was thinking of potion ballista though

[stray kiln]

Guys, how do I deal with the aerial assault animation bug?

[undone dune]

which was just chugging pots to give ballistas int scaling

and it was using that bow

[serene crane]

I, myself, deal with aerial assault animation bug, which is like suuuper annoying, by simply not playing falconer at all, it kinda saves me from having to deal with that bug

[undone dune]

I wasn't aware AA animaiton was a bug, i thought it was a tax on an OP class

[flint turret]

And from being an abuser accusations, double win

[serene crane]

Another thing: when I finally say "omg I did beat uber aberroth!" Ragu wont ask me the question "what class? Please dont say falconer"

[azure wasp]

what's the bug?

[undone dune]

you constantly freeze in place and raise your hand for a second to signal the falcon when casting AA

[serene crane]

Havent they fixed the bug like a week ago tho? 🤔

[tough viper]

ah..

[flint turret]

I'm waiting as long as it takes bro

[undone dune]

this was the targeting bug

[tough viper]

is ZHP ballista better compared to javalin sentinal?

[serene crane]

Ye I got lowkey disappointed there aswell 😦 😄

[stray kiln]

there's a falconer passive tree that the falcon abilities are cast instantly but the cooldown is longer, but it sometimes the aerial assault refuse to accept this passive lol

[undone dune]

i havn't played either this season but i doubt it

everything sentinal seems busted

[tough viper]

ah ok

[azure wasp]

I thought the passive tree node was only for falcon strike and dive bomb

weird

[serene crane]

There is few sentinel builds I'd like to try some day in 1.2... mostly void warpath and fire warpath and maybe void rive since it got the conversion or something...

[undone dune]

it is infact only for those 2

AA isn't instant it just has an anoying animation

[flint turret]

It's okay, we don't judge people trying new sent here. Only the ones that are boarding the falconer Abby express when the class got no changes almost at all just to cheese uber

[undone dune]

i played umbral falconer in season 0 and season 1 too

[slate mulch]

@serene crane have you done any theorycrafting on potentially improving the clear for dancing strikes?

[undone dune]

i just wanted to branch out this season and then got sucked in by the meme again

[slate mulch]

I saw a cascade dancing strikes vid and it had a lot of AOE, but unsure if it can scale as well as the bleed

[serene crane]

Not really 😄 @ Trinx was playing some low life crit DS with cascade, idk how it is going for him so far

[slate mulch]

interesting I wonder if that would have better clear

I wish dancing strikes had a faster animation and some cleave to it

[serene crane]

Crit is probably faster and easier since snapshotted cascade just goes brrrr.... 😄

[slate mulch]

Oh yeah crit cascades

Much faster

[serene crane]

Not having to stack at least 2x T7 cdr might be a great way how to change DS...

[slate mulch]

yeah that too it’s pretty brutal lol

[serene crane]

But I wonder how fast you could go with 2x t7 32% on boots+belt; 2x 10% Opal rings, 12% helmet, 12% blood mage gloves 😄

0.2s maybe? no clue... 😄

[slate mulch]

does it truly feel that much different per 0.1 second?

[serene crane]

Can you even get to 0.1s? lol I dont remember 😄

[slate mulch]

lol that would be funny

I do recall that past something like 30 CDR the returns are heavily diminished

[serene crane]

Yeah its kinda ass

[slate mulch]

Is the double T7 mod for CDR even really needed then ?

1 T7 and an opal should be enough right

[serene crane]

high t6 should be good enough, one Opal for sure probably

Ive cooked this abomination, you can be my lab rat 😄
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B40kENaB

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (39) / Bladedancer (66) / Falconer (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,367, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 112.9, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 22 Dex / 12 Int / 3 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 79% / 79% / 79% / 86% / 44% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 473
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1943)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 54% (3,648)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 79%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shurikens / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Explosive Trap

[tired oyster]

Using atropos and dancing strikes triggering shurikens, is it not possible to make throwing dmg our main source of dps? With a different belt and chakrams instead of shield

[night spruce]

I was cooking on a 2x Kismet build

hold on whats the rotation looking like here

[gloomy finch]

Im going back to falconer now with COF. Question, does this build need macros or autohotkey? Because i notice the skills are triggering fast. Or are they autocasted by legit mechanics?

https://youtu.be/3QhQk6d7ooA?si=QnlZsxRJDVnGCzar

[fallen orbit]

they are not autocasted. if you dont want to use ahk or numlock trick every zone i would not recommend that build

[gloomy finch]

Any builds that you guys can recommend to kill uber abberoth?

[lime sun]

why does my char stop to cast Aerial Assault? All the other falcon skills are instant

[scarlet citrus]

for rogue? the only easy kill is with umbral/minion falconer, the rest you gotta work hard for it

[wary cedar]

didnt you asked this question already

[lime sun]

nope

I'm asking if the skill makes me physically stop and cast it, while other falcon skills are instant cast meaning I don't even stutter step

[wary cedar]

when you re flying through the air how tf do you want to cast other spells in the meanwhile?

just logically

[lime sun]

I use this node tho, so I don't move at all

[steady lark]

do people play null potent on hs ice variant?

hows that performing rn

i know some are also playing wall of nothing

[serene crane]

You spam DS, self use shuriken to get the buff, your SD procs do more damage, something something, dancing strikes more

[night spruce]

so you get only 6 stacks, not 8 stacks per throw?

since its DS

[serene crane]

You still get 8 stacks 🤔

[night spruce]

Isn't DS a 3 strike combo?

mind im not usually a rogue player 😄

[serene crane]

eh doesnt matter when you consume the stacks, can wait for 8, should apply enough SD stacks anyway 😄

[flint turret]

Both are viable

And mountain body to add

[serene crane]

the bare idea was just to get as many +X to DS as possible and since Scissors arent really for bleed, then its either crit/SD 😄

1LP Omnis from Echo ambsuh Shade, nice 😄

[undone dune]

If no one gave you the real answer there is a passive in the talent tree to make falcon strikes and divebomb instant but nothing for AA

They actually all have casts by default

[lime sun]

yeah thanks, I checked the uberroth kill vids and apparently I just missed out the AA cast time as well, my bad

I thought it's some gear check since I got all the gear but not able to equip them all yet as of now

[serene crane]

I swear to fkin god forging hybrid life is cursed

[indigo frost]

well this is disappointing, the node that makes is so when you use a 0 mana skill and hit something you get mana and hp back does not specify that the skill has to be directly used

lowkey rip my build idea I guess?

[soft mauve]

any way to get base damage on Acid Flask aside from "throwing damage" affixes on gear and Mourningfrost boots?

[undone dune]

no that is basicaly how you scale throwing skills

+throwing damage affixes on gloves/ring/neck/relic

[flint turret]

It has decent amount of flat in it's tree too

And smoke

[gentle basalt]

can also always just play frostbite acid flask, they made all the acid flask stuff convert to frostbite properly this season right

and just not worry about throw damage 👌

[scarlet citrus]

man what a slam

[soft mauve]

im trying to learn about the game in here instead of going through the list of all items in the game on letools, thanks for your opinion though
also wdym by "and smoke"

[flint turret]

smoke blades nodes in smoke skill

up to 80 flat from 1 single smoke, or more if you make them overlap

[soft mauve]

im desperately hoping that flask can be non-dot

[pearl forge]

can you even go above 4 stacks of smokeblade?

[gentle basalt]

well the most popular version of acid flask was the hit cold based one before anyway

dot version just became not shit this season only pretty sure

[flint turret]

ofc you can it has no limit, its just smoke itself is now limited to 2

[gentle basalt]

or at least that is how i remember the skill but that was a while ago

[flint turret]

so the most you can now get is 8

[gentle basalt]

smoke has actual hard limit now? did not even noticed

was messing with some cdr setups for smoke bomb thats a rip i guess

[flint turret]

it was added in 1.1 maybe? yeah its written in-game only

[undone dune]

used to be able to stack infinite of them and divebomb kept increasing all the durations

was a 🤏 little bit OP

generating like 100 shadows per second

by the end of the map to get tons of ward

[flint turret]

not by the end of the map, you could stack it in the lobby of a timeline and it was refreshing\persisting while you did echoes

[gentle basalt]

yea i remember that part, just did not noticed that on top of bugfixing that they also put in hard limit since :d

[flint turret]

and falcon was snapshotting all smoke bladess buffs for 30-60 sec

[pearl forge]

silly times

[gentle basalt]

i like how its consistently just falconer bugs all the time

[wary cedar]

where is eye of reen

wtf

[soft mauve]

is there a way to CDR this somehow outside from the usual cooldown recovery speed on belt and boots?

[wary cedar]

nvm i figured

had a single "t" in the search bar

[pearl forge]

t

[wary cedar]

t

[summer sedge]

can you make multishot do good singletarget with the shotgunning?

[cosmic briar]

okay seems like my internet stable at last

time to fcking farm fodder

for stupid boots

15nd try

[flint turret]

Not at all, other skills/passives have tons of bugs as well

[cosmic briar]

Okey guys we starting a little experiment

300x Collapsing Horizon at 1000 corruption Last Ruin

VS how-many-gloves-we-will-got

[wary cedar]

2

[flint turret]

Cof?

[cosmic briar]

nope, MG, so no drop boosts, just clear chances

according to game i think here must be ~18 gloves in total

from wich at least 3 must be lp1

[flint turret]

Should be closer to 12

And 50% to get 1lp

[cosmic briar]

The Husk of Elder Gaspar (The Last Ruin Timeline) - up to 4.5% chance with increased item rarity

ye, must be around 12

LP1: 1 in 24 sad

well, lets see

[gentle basalt]

on rogue? havent noticed much (outside of phase point) so far

[flint turret]

Nemesis might help

[flint turret]

Yep on rogue

Some of those are the only things that make bd more or less viable

[gentle basalt]

oh right the shadow cascade snapshotting :d

[flint turret]

Cascade snapshotting, sync dealing double strikes with shadows, perfection interaction with shadow daggers, etc

The re are in the game as long as I play since 0.9

[serene crane]

switched to this, few idols around... got nearly 400more ward

[flint turret]

1lp? Bruh

[serene crane]

ye I just wanted to try it out

got 2 2LPs 😄

kinda nice rolls too

also nemesis gave me bricked 2lpNihilis, so I can try reroll one of the two shitty ones I have

[cosmic briar]

and da fuc i need this

[craggy osprey]

look what the market had randomly

[serene crane]

Damn, 3LP is pretty wild

2nd Shade ambush today

[cosmic briar]

not bad

REDEMPTION TIME

well, i wasnt expected something interesting

[craggy osprey]

ive checked the market every hour for a week that i was online, first time 3lp was for sale afaik

[flint turret]

I don't even see anything good in blood roost tbh

Outside of a bleed build

[dusky schooner]

dex and heal tbh, it is pretty mid.

[flint turret]

No armor and shit implicit with high lp lvl

[dusky schooner]

lets you double up on dex on the same item

[flint turret]

I don't even take all dex on passives, only the ones that are good

[dusky schooner]

for bird, its your strongest scaling stat

if you main umbral damage, then i get it

[flint turret]

It is true indeed

[dusky schooner]

but for bird its infinite scaling

[cosmic briar]

20-40-60-80-100 etc

[dusky schooner]

... no

[flint turret]

But it's always the opportunity cost involved

[dusky schooner]

razorfall is a consideration to dex, but not the primary reason to scale it

[wary cedar]

i just got a random harbringer

[dusky schooner]

if bird is your primary damage, then i dont see what beats it in opportunity cost

[wary cedar]

in normal monolith

didnt knew that was a thing

NVM

i m doing empowered monolith the whole time with my level 60 character

didnt noticed

muscle memory smh

[flint turret]

Ravs easily. 10 less dex for more than 20% total ehp increase. There is no way that 10 dex is anywhere near 20% more damage when you already have 100-150 of it

[dusky schooner]

sorry i thought we were talking about dex passives on tree, not blood roost vs other options.

[cosmic briar]

nah, we surely took anything provided dex in passives

[flint turret]

I was talking about opportunity cost

[cosmic briar]

thats probably about gear

[flint turret]

I mean sure, in falconer terms it doesn't make sense, because who needs ehp when you burst everything down in a flash

[dusky schooner]

Yeah Rav's are absolutely cracked. Maybe just imprint dex

all you lose is some throwing damage

[cosmic briar]

but we doesnt have low EHP

tbh we have pretty nice numbers there

in case of null+RRs... its up to 40% less dmg taken, also stacks of shrouds massive dodge (in case of high dex etc)

probably with high LP items HP also hit big numbers, Juse have around 4k, for sure its only if u have 3-4lp gear

[gentle basalt]

yea its pretty funny that falconer also has best defensive passives :d

[wary cedar]

yo im lv 66, just got this lmao

[cosmic briar]

not best, but not worst

[gentle basalt]

almost more glancing synergy than bladedancer for no reason too

[flint turret]

Go buy lottery ticket bro

[summer sedge]

what is going on here? https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/TriKster/character/TriKsterBDS2 anyone have direct line of communication with trikster?

[flint turret]

It's your lucky day

[wary cedar]

bruh

[flint turret]

looks weird, just testing stuff i guess?

[cosmic briar]

First one. Not bad rolls tbh

[soft mauve]

does Rain of Arrows benefit from any skill specialisations (Hail of Arrows perhaps) ? Is there a way to reduce cooldown of Arrow Storm at all?

[soft mauve]

omg i never read the "effect can stack" part, you're a wizard of reading, thank you so much

[flint turret]

I fail sometimes in reading too tho

[cosmic briar]

Second one

And this not bad guy also

[serene crane]

1life off 😦

[soft mauve]

whats wrong with it?

[cosmic briar]

'man i just need to know HOW i dnt gv a fk about anything u paste, please, just be noted, I DNT GV A FK about your posts. You understand? If not, ill reply it again, please, never forget it' (c.Maxis)

Yes, and you are 'i stil dnt know how to read words' guy, nice to meet ya again

[manic prism]

xd

[cosmic briar]

xd and deleting it

precios guy, i like him so much

[serene fern]

I’ve completed uber abby with erasing VK, can you guys please suggest me a falconer/marksman build for 700-800 corruption and abberoth viable build?

[cosmic briar]

falconer can go even uber with budget ~2lp items

[serene fern]

I’m playing CoF btw, well, got 2lp most of the items but I’m up for for a build

I’m not familiar with rpgue masteries, last year I was playing ballista falconer

Thats all

[cosmic briar]

https://www.youtube.com/@Jusedofus
just take a less LP items than he.
1lp null t7dex
1/2lp blood roost (t7dext5throw)
1lp razor (t7 CDR)
1/2lp belt (t7 CDR/t5throw/hybrid life)
2lp daggers (any t7flat +t5 phys pen)
2lp helm (t7 DEX + Shadow damage)
2lp ucenui (throw/dex)

with this items u are 100% uberroth viable as well as up to 2-2.5k corruption. If feels not enough tanky, can swap chest with t7 inc.health one while mapping)

[flint turret]

Uber Abby viable or just Abby viable? If you don't care that much about Uber then I recommend heartseeker. The new best rogue skill imo

[cosmic briar]

also if havent RRs just take exalted with t7 dex

[night spruce]

I adjusted your idea a bit, i dont think you can do it the way you set it up as kismet requires a direct use of a throwing skill and I dont think Shadow cascade is it for that purpose. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bx79deOQ

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (39) / Bladedancer (66) / Falconer (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,367, Regen: 28/s
▸ Mana: 112.9, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 22 Dex / 12 Int / 3 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 79% / 79% / 79% / 86% / 44% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 473
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1943)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 54% (3,648)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 79%

Used skills:

Dancing Strikes / Shurikens / Shadow Cascade / Smoke Bomb / Shift

[devout ledge]

Whats the build UB are following?

[undone dune]

Personally I recomend Heartseeker marksman its really good for that corruption level, uber abberoth will be pure suffering with it compared to VK but if you already killed the boss you saw everythign there

[night spruce]

I'm curious what's the uber abby meta actually

[serene fern]

Saved!

[undone dune]

I find HS marksman to be way more fun in echos and way smoother to farm with than umbral falconer

[flint turret]

Wdym, devs posted stats for Uber already.

[night spruce]

Oh?

Link please?

[flint turret]

Look some recap of last dev stream

[serene fern]

Yeah actually I’ve dropped 2x relic on my uber abby kill, probably wont try it soon, so high corruption fast clear and abby viability will be fine

[night spruce]

Can i get a vod link?

[cosmic briar]

if so take heartseeker

[undone dune]

normal abby heartseeker does fine

[flint turret]

This should do

https://youtu.be/VMOifH_1EBE?si=5Z6fmwIKMCyYH9mb

[night spruce]

ty

[serene fern]

Should I follow maxroll heartseeker or lastepochtools

[serene crane]

You proc Kismet stacks with self using shuriken throw, no need to use Cascade yourself at all, you want shuriken blade shield for the big armor boost, not damage, damage is mostly just from shadow daggers, DS proccing cascade+shurikens+getting you Kismet stacks

[night spruce]

oh snap 2157 void knights

only 3 bladedancers hooly

[cosmic briar]

i think this isnt persons?

maybe kills from single player

[night spruce]

whats the purpose of kismet if you just gonna use shuriken for utility?

not utilizing kismet for damage at all?

[flint turret]

Boys be slacking

[night spruce]

I can see that!

Makes me wanna do a bladedancer build unironically

lmao

[flint turret]

If I hadn't gone hs I could have been 4th

[night spruce]

i wish i wasnt shit at making rogue builds

[serene crane]

Its bonus to shadow daggers

[night spruce]

@serene crane But that wont work on SD, you have to directly use the throwing attack and that directly used skill gets the kismet bonus.

not sure if SD triggered from a throwing skill would get the bonus

but i doubt it

[serene crane]

Thats what Im telling you, you use shurikens to proc kismet stacks 😄

[flint turret]

Might be worth trying on sd lm

If all hits from lm sd will inherit the throw bonus

[night spruce]

but that's like no damage in this setup

[undone dune]

I would follow a build that uses Reign of winter not dragonsong as the bow

[night spruce]

Kindly unabbreviate 😛

lm?

[undone dune]

shadow daggers on lethal mirrage

[night spruce]

Ah

hmm

[flint turret]

I have no idea how that sword works

[serene crane]

77 melee from one scissor, 154 from both, 64 throw from 8 Kismet stacks, then whatever you get rolled on Scissors

[undone dune]

if you have 2 scissors do you gain 2 stacks on hit but keep 8 stacks as your max?

[night spruce]

right, but youre not scaling throw damage other than phys pen on sd, are you

[serene crane]

SD is both melee and throw, so ye 😄

[night spruce]

i think it warrants testing if kismet actually applies to the SD

respectfully i have my doubts

[undone dune]

but scissors says "when you use..." it shouldn't work for SD

it would work for charkram

[night spruce]

Yeah, he uses it with utility armor shurikens

which confuses me

[serene crane]

you just wouldnt care at all about the throw crit chance since SD always crits

[night spruce]

Right, then why not scale more throw flat

[undone dune]

but the +64 flat throwing damage

[night spruce]

and actually scale the throwing skill's dam

that you use

sounds like a waste of 64% base crit

[undone dune]

also i dont think 2 scissors stack the way you want them to. Traitors tongue in offhand is probably better

[serene crane]

You just self-use shurikens (which is blade shield for the big armor buff) to get 8kismet stacks, its only 3 mana for shurikens so its whatever cheap

[night spruce]

...

all this confusion makes me wanna roll a bladedancer

[serene crane]

Its SD build, doesnt care about crit chance

[undone dune]

why are you using scissor at all if you arn't trying to gain the flat throwing damage from them

[night spruce]

^

or the crit

[undone dune]

the whole point of that weapon is +64 flat throwing damage which is like 3 t5 mods

the crit is irrelivant crit capping is trivial with shattered worlds

[serene crane]

wdym not trying to get flat throw damage? 😄

[serene fern]

Got it, basically cold damage based one right?

[night spruce]

you are consuming the kismet stacks with shuriken that you use for utility

[cosmic briar]

ore one t7...

[undone dune]

scissor throwing damage can not affect shadow daggers

it cant

shadow daggers is never used

[serene crane]

I just said its SD build so it doesnt care about crit chance at all = shattered worlds is not really needed at all

[undone dune]

and scissor throwing damage only affects used things

[night spruce]

thats also my understanding

[undone dune]

this whole build makes no sense to me

BD -> chakram as a dance would make more sense

[night spruce]

Yeah so i can see something like dancing strike 4 into chakram

and repeat

and have cascade trigger from stuff

with kismet that should be 8 stacks.

[undone dune]

but then its not a SD build

[cosmic briar]

meh(

[serene crane]

Hmmmm i guess I got the scissors wrong, thought it would give you a buff for X seconds, not %crit+flat to the throw attack you would use... nevermind i guess 😄

[night spruce]

hey

we have mutual understanding at least

its not a buff no

dont get me wrong you can still use SD, but you wont use kismet stacks for that unless synchronized strike does some weird shit with it

like @flint turret mentioned

[undone dune]

the thing is when you have 2 scissors equiped I dont think you can consume twice as mainy stacks or get 2x benefit from consuming stacks

i think you just get 2 stacks per hit