🔪┃rogue

[serene cairn]

It's done

U guys saved me

[undone dune]

did you get a relic?

[gentle basalt]

havent played single game where tooltip dps was accurate :d

[undone dune]

implicit is important too btw

[serene cairn]

7%

[undone dune]

but gratz on even getting a relic

its onlly like 20% chance

[serene cairn]

im a little sad about the 1% crit but everything else is almost perf

[undone dune]

took me a lot of kills to get my first

[proven dome]

i got a sick 1 lp relic dropped today, max crit and max stats but it would feel bad to sell it to max price

[serene cairn]

god im shaking lol

[tawdry gull]

sadly, we do not have some sort of pob tool to calc dps. LE Tools build planner is restricted to several skills

[serene cairn]

pretty sure i took like 3 ticks of destructive ground while spamming potion

in last phase

😐

[undone dune]

that fight is so brutal when you have just barely enough dps and have to actually do all the mechanics

[cosmic briar]

dont sell it

use for yourself

perfect rolled 1lp relic cost more than gold cap price

so its a just wasting of resources

slam t7 16dex

[proven dome]

yea mine is also 1lp and very close to max thats why im confused what to do

[cosmic briar]

and forgot about changing it

your one is untradeable?

if yes, sell this one for goldcap

[gentle basalt]

yea le tools build planner needs to support at least custom mods, ez solution when its so limited by default :d

[cosmic briar]

if no, sell your and use this one

[proven dome]

yea , guess ill sell this one in the end

[wheat jungle]

chef's kiss

[tawdry gull]

Also, LE planner and ingame char window shows different bow crit chance. Like wtf

[undone dune]

I dont trust the ingame window

[serene cairn]

very good very good

[cosmic briar]

roflmao

[serene cairn]

cry

I need a Noita palatte cleanser after that grind

[charred ember]

so I'm leveling a rogue now, but I can't decide between heartseeker and umbral blades

[cosmic briar]

umbral blades - broken, but expensive

heartseeker - weaker, but will be harder to push up to big numbers

[charred ember]

I have... basic rolls for the bow, relic, and belt... would need to farm the razorfall and blood roost

[undone dune]

I decided to play heartseeker first and it was pretty easy to find natural upgrades as I progressed, then I rerolled umbral once I had all the gear for it

[charred ember]

makes sense

[undone dune]

I dont tthink umbral would be very fun without razorfall

it kind of needs that for the build to work

[lone beacon]

this game trying to pull me back to VK

[undone dune]

also I cant recomding using daggers (traitor's tongues) over talon's bow enough

its absurd how much stronger it is

[serene cairn]

Yea that might be my next goal 🙂

[undone dune]

I went from like a 5 min ubberoth kill to like a <1min kill

[lone beacon]

gonna be hard in CoF since I'll need 2 of em

[undone dune]

I got 6 3lp traitor tongues with 200k favor of dagger prophecies

i dont think they are that rare

[lone beacon]

are low rolls okay as long as you have the +2dex?

[undone dune]

+2 dex is important then the crit multi implicit

and only 1 of them needs to be a 13% crit (in offhand)

the other one you can ignore that stat too

[lone beacon]

oh it's 10-13% crit not bad regardless of roll

[undone dune]

yeah

its really not too bad

[lone beacon]

Relic and Nihilis rerolling just did a big number on me so I hate rerolling at the moment

[undone dune]

i have a relic with like 10% DR +9 all stas +5% crit and 11% frenzy effect and I just said good enough

frenzy doesn't do much for the falconer

[proven dome]

man im spending a year worth of luck today, 1 lp max roll relic from uber aberroth and 3 red rings in a day

[serene cairn]

Are the % DR on the implicit like on relic multipliciative?

With each other

(& by extension red ring)

[undone dune]

yeah they arn't addative

[serene cairn]

makes sens

[undone dune]

2 red rings and a 10% relic is like 26% or something?

[lone beacon]

Got this through my VK. But I could've levelled this alt falconer to 100 with the time spent farming uber and rerolling

[undone dune]

it shows in the character sheet

[serene cairn]

2 red rings and 20% from null portent is like 35%

[undone dune]

but really. Can anyone tell me some strange mechanic that makes frenzy effect matter for umbral falconer?

I dont think anything scales with it

[charred ember]

for umbral or for heartseeker O.o

[undone dune]

for umbral

you need to use a bow for heartseeker

generally dragonsong or reign

[lone beacon]

nothing really. would've been nice if speed affected AA's cast time.

[charred ember]

I was gonna say

[undone dune]

gratz

I finally got a throwing damage neck today but it stopped at t3 and went to a different stat

[cosmic briar]

i mean

we have transition frenzy to birb

another question that birb dont really need speed

[undone dune]

surely frenzy effect on you doesn't buff frenzy given to bird by the neck right?

[lone beacon]

Is this worht imprinting? It's all T6 tho..

[runic cove]

Hey anyone else's frames drop like mad when spamming falconer abilities?

[cosmic briar]

i think yes

good base for rerolling copies

[cosmic briar]

who knows

[undone dune]

can you imprint harbinger bases? I thought they couldn't drop naturally so it didn't work for some reason

[undone dune]

yes and I fixed it by disabling screen shake

and also swapping from numlock to AHk

[runic cove]

Hm screenshake didn't seem to help...what's numlock?

[undone dune]

numlock trick to hold the buttons down

for whatever reason with them held down instead of rapidly tapping I was losing a ton of FPS

[runic cove]

I'm testing it rn it's actually when I spam the keys I lose the frames. When I hold the keys down I'm totally fine lol

[undone dune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

then go into keybindings and set a 2nd bind for all 3 keys to something on your numpad, hold those keys then press numlock and they stay held down forever

that effect resets every time you alt+tab though

[runic cove]

Good to know.Thanks for the help

[twilit hemlock]

where immortal eye is located?

[half nova]

depends on you keyboard polling rate if you lag or not

same issue with using autoclicker (mouse delay)

[serene cairn]

Does anyone have a reference planner for daggers umbral falconer?

[runic cove]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWe5E7Do

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 3,510, Regen: 143.64/s
▸ Mana: 138.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 206 Dex / 19 Int / 19 Att / 30 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 92% / 92% / 95% / 99% / 82% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 702
▸ Dodge Chance: 64% (2929)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,871)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 24%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Aerial Assault / Umbral Blades / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[serene cairn]

Cheers

[runic cove]

BTW the leftover points in umbral blades are intentional

[undone dune]

you put them back in for clearspeed in echos, take them out for bosses

[serene cairn]

ah so for like explo and homing and such

How does umbral thrown by falcon behave with no explosion? are you recalling them?

[runic cove]

No need to recall. The CDs for the abilities are so low

[undone dune]

you want the umbrals to stick in the ground to increaes divebomb damage

[burnt mason]

heartseeker uber capable? tired of voidknight lol

[half nova]

capable but need alot of gear

and you have to do mechanics

[topaz schooner]

The vast majority of builds are going to have a hard time and actually have to play the game, unlike Paladin and VK

you might have a VK or paladin crutch and you don't even know it

or you just need an obscene amount of single target i.e AA UB

[burnt mason]

ive completed uber abby on vk now just want a mix up lol

heartseeker just looks fun so figured id give her a try

[undone dune]

I saw a video of a heartseeker Ubberoth kill and it took like 12 mins

so you need to be very comfortable with the mechanics

but its "doable"

[proven dome]

is snapshotting not a thing for umbral? idk the stuff other classes put on before summoning their minions

[frank olive]

no

no snap shotting needed to bust open uber

[undone dune]

I think the falcon checks its stats on cast not on summon

because you can replace gear without needing to take the skill off your bars

so I dont think umbral falcon can snapshot anything

but maybe it can and we are all doing it wrong

[lyric smelt]

Does Falconer's Journey affect all of the Falconer's skills, or just itself

[near grove]

stop giving me so many null potents aaaaa
I'm not gonna use it you stupid boss
I just want some more copies of nihilis :(

[indigo frost]

2 incredibly niche questions for a bee build, with Hive Mind (bee helmet) if I convert acid flask to cold will toxic coating provide frostbite chance? and for bees, do effects relating to minion skills apply to them (for example dragonflame edict gives minion skills ignite %)?

not sure if anyone even knows the answers but I figured if there was a place to ask here would be good lol

[slim geyser]

I can hear the game saying,
Ahahahaha
no

[near grove]

I got 0 nihilis out of 10 tries

that's with CoF bonus yeah

[half nova]

iirc it doesnt as it doesnt convert flask to cold?, just changes the base damage to cold

[lofty rune]

Converting the base damage is the same thing. Once a move hits 100% conversion the old damage type tag is gone and it only has the new one

BUT it probably still gives the bees poison instead, since it's just checking if they're hit by a flask not which flask. That would be my assumption anyhow

[half nova]

it does convert to fire with the fire flask node

but i doubt it does with cold flask offhand

[lofty rune]

I'll load up my rogue and check the tags rq, I think I have thatt offhand stashed

[proven dome]

is there a way to reroll the physical & minion physical damage part of this item when its legendary? i know thers a woven echo that does it but idk how it works with legendaries

[half nova]

i dont think it checks for the elemental/poison tag just whether the node in flask tree is taken or not

get another 4LP jungle queen

[lofty rune]

Wild. It somehow has both tags for physical and cold, so added would be split 50/50 I think

[half nova]

and it will also reroll all the other affixes

[lofty rune]

That feels like a bug tbh but idk

[half nova]

that sounds correct

only base damage is converted

any additional throwing damage defaults to physical/original iirc

[lofty rune]

That's very strange and not how most conversion works
But it's rogue, so I guess I should just expect it to be jank in unintuitive ways that break your build idea :kekw:

[half nova]

iirc this also happens with shurikens

and most other item based base damage conversion

[near grove]

you can reroll, but you will reroll all mods, so most likely item will get worse
also, each reroll will need either lp4 jungle or jungle with 4 affixes, so it's really not worth it

[lofty rune]

Based on this, it should lose the physical tag

Since "base damage conversion" according to game guide should be affecting adaptive that's added

[paper leaf]

see my tree worked é_é

[near grove]

wow, after 12 tries it finally dropped nihilis, even lp 1, tho rolls are trash

6 more keys and time to roll nemesis on them -_-

[paper leaf]

@near grove

remember that u can use bad rings u got from nesmis to roll the lp1

i did in this way ^^

[lofty rune]

Lucky. He could've just added +5% elemental resist instead of giving you LP lol

[paper leaf]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Davyray/character/Davyray_Heartseeker
Gotcha 2 rings yday, rolled yday
Now i'm focusing in obtain lp 1 gloves and start to imprint/sell them
They are expansive af ^^
Later better boots (more ms I'M SLOW REEE) and big project
Uceni pl4

[near grove]

this is exactly how I rolled my red rings, yeah, and what I'm planning to do with 6 bricked rav voids -_-

[serene crane]

I was unlucky af for some reason with Nihilis drops yesterday too... like 10-12ish kills and only got 1 😄 pretty solid rolls too, just -4% movement speed 💀

[paper leaf]

smth like this

[paper leaf]

do u have alredy 6 rav ? O_O yday i farmed only that time line and i got 1 from boss and 1 from imprint .-.
Better one has chance to shred .-.

atlast broken one ncan be sold around 10mil >_>

[near grove]

I have 8
6 bricked, 1 is lp1, one is lp0

[serene crane]

4LP Ucenui has surprisingly decent chances 🤔 but so far I only got bunch of 3LPs... as CoF

[near grove]

same, only lp3 so far

[cosmic briar]

i farmed half of night

got only 1 gloves

😄 nice drop rate, what can i say

btw stil need second fcking ring

once ill got it i done with mapping

[serene crane]

You know whats the best part of Ravs from Gaspar tho? That mf also drops another unique gloves to laugh in your face 😄

[cosmic briar]

and btw those second gloves drop from each gaspar u kill

and always 0lp

why? who the hell knows

[serene crane]

For MG maybe 😛

I got 2LP in stash... it has kinda higher LP, but not the worst chances 🤔

1.35% chance for 2LP

[near grove]

for ravs I actually recommend doing echo where you fight one harbinger, don't remember the name

I got like 2 ravs from 12 runs of that echo?

[cosmic briar]

this is just boss runs

nothing special, yet faster a bit

probably not SO fast, cos u can use envy scrolls

[topaz schooner]

Where does it say it loses the physical tag?

[near grove]

I got nothing from like 15 gaspar kills, but as I said, 2 gloves out of 12 echoes, even 1 glove sounds better than doing gaspar on cd
the only problem is that you can't buy that echo, so you can't target, but if you have stock and you need ravs it's def worth using it

[lofty rune]

The meaning of the physical tag is that it gains physical damage with added. But if 100% is converted, including adaptive, it shouldn't be physical anymore

[topaz schooner]

That's not how the tags work

[serene crane]

Idk, I'd rather spam echo harb woven echoes to farm the unique; it also fills the stability so few runs and you can do the echo boss+harb; repeat 😄

[topaz schooner]

Skills will always maintain their original tag unless it specifically says so. i.e trap keeps its fire tag when you convert to cold, flask keeps its physical tag, etc. It'll specifically say "Swaps ___ tag for a ___ one"

[cosmic briar]

...or '... lost tag_name'

[lofty rune]

Upheaval doesn't say it swaps tags, but it loses physical on conversion

[topaz schooner]

I'm trying to think of a single skill that loses its tag even though it doesn't say it should and I can't think of one

[serene crane]

Do you think you really need this whole upper left part? 🤔 Sure your cdr is nonexistant so the cooldowns arent as fast, but you already have cleanse on smoke... Rebound, idk sure the cooldown refresh is nice but when something nearly oneshots you, you dont react super fast with fresh Shift to move away, some other hit can still finish you 😄 having kill threshold on some higher corruption bosses + abberoth just feels good, unless ofc you smash them in 5 seconds 😄

[topaz schooner]

this even says Swipe gain lightning tag but it already has lightning tag lmao

[cosmic briar]

it says it should

[lofty rune]

Maybe you have stormpaws on? it doesn't by default

[near grove]

almost good roll
tho I prefer Crystalwind anyway

[lofty rune]

The once-every-3s thing on swipe is a weird one tho for sure

[topaz schooner]

Oh yeah stormhide is on

it looks like primalist just has a bunch of inconsistent descriptions

[cosmic briar]

if u need ezample, "Aerial Assault loses its Traversal tag'

😄

'Storm the horizon'

[lofty rune]

It does seem to be like a total conversion should lose the old tag
Keeping the old one on swipe makes sense because it's sometimes full phys, sometimes full lightning

[cosmic briar]

why?

[lofty rune]

Like, if it does no physical damage or physical-associated ailment, why would it by physical tag

[cosmic briar]

probably... conversion can take benefits from both tags

[topaz schooner]

So you can still scale the levels

[lofty rune]

I don't think +physical should scale levels for a purely non-physical skill tho

[cosmic briar]

i mean

how damage calculating

if its something like (for example) phys=>elem=>void

like in poe

[topaz schooner]

it doesn't scale like poe

[lofty rune]

AFAIK conversions are one step then increased after, no chaining system like poe

[topaz schooner]

thats correct

no double dipping per conversion stage

which is a bug anyways in poe and doesn't exist in poe 2

[lofty rune]

I thought maybe it was the armor shred, but taking the node to convert the armor shred also leaves the phys tag on acid flask. (Armor shred is good for non-phys anyway, but it at least leans phys)

[cosmic briar]

its not exist around 6 years

[topaz schooner]

it's existed forever

[lofty rune]

AFAIK it's a "bug" that was too deep to be worth solving so they just leave it

[cosmic briar]

also DD was able only with damage over time

and wasnt probably exist for conversion itself

[topaz schooner]

conversion dipping has always been around. hell, we used to be able to scale dots with double and triple dips as well but they could actually change that engine bug

[cosmic briar]

probably all of this is theory unless we got datamined formulas

[topaz schooner]

but yeah conversion stages are a bug in the engine for poe 1, and chris said it was basically too difficult to fix or not worth the time

[cosmic briar]

cmon bro doubledips was alive in disfavour+voideye meta, it was SO fcking long ago

ye, thats why poe2 in total havent conversion.

Not fixed, just havent xD

[near grove]

wtf, normal abberoth mini-slams(like 3 sectors) aren't instakills? I just survived one

[topaz schooner]

its fixed in poe 2

jonathan specifically talked about it

[cosmic briar]

Where u have conversion in poe2?

[serene crane]

Yeah it feels weak af now 😄

[topaz schooner]

why do you think they have so much gain as extra, and even have TOTAL DAMAGE gain as extra

[lofty rune]

PoE2 does have 2 stages of conversion, but increased/etc are applied after both are done so no double dipping anyway
First stage is skill gem. Second stage is everything else, and "damage as extra" (which normally can't be converted except by things that explicitly change extra)

[topaz schooner]

there's tons wdym lol

[cosmic briar]

because game design of poe2 is hellish poor. But we talkd about LE now, not about poe2

i just dont wanna even discuss poe2 in its current state

[topaz schooner]

We're comparing the 3 games

[cosmic briar]

yes, i am hater

so. I mean, we need formulas

at anyway

[topaz schooner]

voltaxic, painter's servant, blueflame, valko's vice all convert

[lofty rune]

Avatar of Fire is still in as well

[topaz schooner]

and AoF

[lofty rune]

Plus most skill gems convert

[topaz schooner]

yeah there's tons lol

[cosmic briar]

cos its all good, but today we tested - example - scaling umbrals from flat and from increased and found that probably doesnt really matter u used t7-t5 flat or t7 inc, cos result will be same

[topaz schooner]

every lightning skill converts phys to light

i think 100% in poe 2

[lofty rune]

It depends on which one. They vary from 60% to 100%, sometimes changing in sub-skills of the same gem

[topaz schooner]

well i mean every "main" hit of the skills fully convert

there's no need to convert phys to light

unlike poe1

[cosmic briar]

Spear
Cannot Pierce
Converts 80% of Physical Damage to Lightning Damage
100% more chance to Shock
Cannot Chain
Projectiles can Split from hitting terrain
Spear cannot Pierce, Fork, Chain or Return
Modifiers to the number of Projectiles fired only affect
the maximum number of lightning bolt Projectiles
Splits towards 3 targets when Consuming a Frenzy Charge
Deals 50% more damage when Consuming a Frenzy Charge

no, not any and not 100

[lofty rune]

The bolts on that skill are 100%

[topaz schooner]

the thing that does all your single target lol

[cosmic briar]

BRO!

[cosmic briar]

!!!

Main hit != bolts

[topaz schooner]

Yeah that's the MAIN hit

I'm specifically talking about the hits that do the majority of your single target

or even clear.. the relevant hits

[lofty rune]

Eh. The directt hit is 343%, the bolts are 234%. Both are dealing in single target, so it's still not quite 100%. But it's splitting hairs either way

It's converted enough that you cease to care about the phys

[cosmic briar]

thats doesnt matter wich part do main damage, it depends on how we utilize skill. Example, with metaabusing CoS we just wasnt used secondary part of lightning bolt, and nobody gave a fck about that

[topaz schooner]

no, lightning spears main single target comes from the overlapping bolts

they can shotgun the same target if it chains from one target to another

[cosmic briar]

anyway

[topaz schooner]

basically you throw the spear then all the bolts chain back to the rare, exploding it

[cosmic briar]

lets back to LE

[topaz schooner]

but yeah anyways

[lofty rune]

Anyway, that skill is kinda on the high end for conversion. Most are 60-80% for the big part of their damage

[topaz schooner]

conversion is kinda wacky in LE

but thankfully skill tags are mostly irrelevant in this game

[cosmic briar]

most of iterations i seen here is about 'weeeeeell i think its works like this'

[near grove]

ThE vOiD СuMs
finally done with all ~30 keys, gets boring when you know the fight -_-

[lofty rune]

Rogue-specific pet peeve: Lots of flat physical in blade dancer, yet a bladedancer exclusive lightning move

[near grove]

8 nihilis out of 27 keys I think?

[topaz schooner]

what, like Once? which is adaptive

[lofty rune]

Base rogue has +8 physical added. Bladedancer mastery passive has +15 physical (melee only), then another passive in their tree for up to +16 physical. Lethal mirage has a lightning convert. But conversions only convert base and adaptive damage

[topaz schooner]

That is true

Once is adaptive tho?

[lofty rune]

So you just end up with up to +39 base damage that you can't convert
But it's okay because it's not like there's any other elemental melee support anyway

Not adaptive

[topaz schooner]

why do people on LB take it for cold flask then?

[cosmic briar]

additional

[lofty rune]

Added is added

[cosmic briar]

why it isnt adaptive

[lofty rune]

If you % increase scales all types it doesn't matter

[topaz schooner]

if it gets converted, it's essentially adaptive

[lofty rune]

Type-specific added is never converted AFAIK. But if you have +% throwing damage it'll get boosted too, and dex boosts it

Unless maybe it's on the skill's tree directly

[near grove]

Getting lp3 RoW is pretty much impossible right?

[cosmic briar]

getting (unique_name lp3) is pain in ass

getting (unique_name lp4) is nearly impossible

😄

RoW not so rare, so several days on mr.Elk and u will get it

[near grove]

I mean, dragonsong is easy to get to lp3

[cosmic briar]

dragonsong is global drop

RoW not

[near grove]

Nah I'm not doing that bugged boss for days xd

[cosmic briar]

Effective Level for Legendary Potential: 70
LP0: 1 in ≈1
LP1: 1 in 5
LP2: 1 in 74
LP3: 1 in 3,725

its RoW

LP0: 1 in 2
LP1: 1 in 3
LP2: 1 in 14
LP3: 1 in 178

its dragonsong

so its probably x20 times more common

x22 even

[near grove]

Yeah lp2 is enough then

[lofty rune]

the wildest one to me is prism wraps, being a low level unique but with a high effective level for LP, so LP on it is rare

Most uniques match lvl req and LP level pretty closely, but not that one

[cosmic briar]

Effective Level for Legendary Potential: 90 funny as fck tbh ahahahaha

[lofty rune]

A casual 1-in-2.9 billion for LP4

[cosmic briar]

seems like they heavily nerfed it for something

cos i see legacy version

wich a waaaay more common lp

[lofty rune]

I just assume it's cause it has the "less elemental damage taken" mod, which is very VERY strong

[topaz schooner]

its like a 1 in 3,900 to even get a critical success on LP 1 lol

[lofty rune]

Esp when you can take 100% of void as fire with an amulet

That's 4/7 types covered

[topaz schooner]

100% void as fire is not that strong

any taken as is weak in this game

[lofty rune]

Normally no, but if you have 30% less elemental taken it becomes noticeable

And because it's 100%. When it's not 100% you can't ignore the original resist so it's not as useful

And I think all the other "taken as" ones are partial?

[topaz schooner]

yeah they're small

[cosmic briar]

Cos who give a fck about that if u will oneshotted by random laser

😄

[lofty rune]

Isn't most of uber abby a mix of elemental and void? I'm sure there's phys there too tho, so not total coverage

[cosmic briar]

most on uber abby is low damage hits

and over u must dodge

triple slam, both blackholes (both blue and red), explosion

cos as example i can just stay on 5 regular novas and just outleech them with 2k hp

funny? idk

[lofty rune]

I guess sentinel can reach 100% X to phys if that X is poison, void, or necrotic. But it would take a prefix on each of helm and chest so not worth

Oh, there's a spear that does 100% cold as physical too, wild

[cosmic briar]

i think as necrotic is best one

since we have necrotic oneshot shit from weavers mobs

in game

XD

[near grove]

Btw, we still can't make mana bar appear below the HP bar right? I'm not missing some setting?

[near grove]

The laser thing is so annoying
Like it even stuns, it moves with the mob, it high damage and fast cast -_-

[topaz schooner]

there's just better dr slots than prismwraps. but yeah i think its mostly void, physical, and lightning

[lofty rune]

Titan Heart, basically

15% less, but against everything and you get loads of health too

With about 3 times the chances of LP

[topaz robin]

so abyssal echoes is broken right now

[serene crane]

That DR is for melee 2H only

[topaz robin]

wait no, I cant read nvm

[lofty rune]

Yeah, but the builds that use it were gonna be 2h anyway

I do wonder if it works with the foregmaster perk tho

[near grove]

??

[severe pine]

Omg, more imprint

[serene crane]

Yea ofc 😄 otherwise its just health and bit of damage

[wary cedar]

ok technically i am at work now and should do something

but realisticly i could just play the game

[serene crane]

brb, gonna tell on you for some monthly bonuses

[elder condor]

Can umbral falconer take down Abby?

[undone dune]

finally

i think im at 65 gazes since I capped corruption in this sutpid timeline

[undone dune]

yes easily

[elder condor]

I meant uber Abby sorry

[undone dune]

yes, easily

takes like <1 min to burst down uber with a silly combo

probably the cheesiest clear possible

[wary cedar]

doesnt such an op stupid build takes all the fun away?

i wouldnt be motivated to play long term with that tho

[undone dune]

it really does take all the fun away

but it also answers his question

[elder condor]

Idk I like op builds lol. The umbral falconer builds looks fast asf

[wary cedar]

i m really happy with my build choice tho

its good build, but no op shit, so i can farm a lot to make it look op

[undone dune]

my first kil with the really jank maxroll guide to umbral falconer took like 5.5 mins and was stressfull as hell but so rewarding, now that I fixed it up and do the 45 second kill build uberroth feels more like a chore

[elder condor]

On my sentinel I’m doing erasing strike go figure lol

[wary cedar]

i would rather play a F Tier build or something than an op build

[elder condor]

Ohh god really an F tier build? Lmao. I need that S++++

[wary cedar]

next character i m gonna do something with double shadow daggers

some shift shenenigans

i mean you can easily farm for an lp4 so i dont see why not

so you have 4 affixes + this

(30% to 45%) increased Cold Damage
+(30 to 45) Health
+(30% to 45%) Cold Resistance
+1 to All Attributes

i think i m gonna farm them too then x)

[old cipher]

what mono are yall building corruption on?

[wary cedar]

maybe i then just switch between those and the void gloves, depending if i need dmg or some tanking

[wary cedar]

i stopped building

[old cipher]

why

[wary cedar]

hit 1k for the feeling, then went back for faster farming

[old cipher]

ah

which one tho

[wary cedar]

the one i needed boss drops from

[old cipher]

i see

[wary cedar]

heorot for me

if you dont need any of those just do those where you can max out your blessings

i m still not having max crit multiplier

[old cipher]

ye i still ahve a few more to min max

[serene crane]

Most of the time when someone comes here with maxroll guide its just pure struggle 😄

[undone dune]

I kind of knew somethign was wrong when it was taking me a long time to kill the boss but people using a slightly different build were doing it in 45 seconds

and posting videos of it

[wary cedar]

i wonder when i will be ready for uber

[undone dune]

doesn't cost anything to attempt it

unless you are somehow playing rogue in hardcore

[wary cedar]

yeaa but idunno

i feel like im to squishy xd

[undone dune]

what build?

[wary cedar]

cold hs

[undone dune]

you are squishy

next question

[wary cedar]

yea so i need more dodge rating

and also more dmg

[undone dune]

I think its not dodge raiting

its just silver shroud and good positioning

[wary cedar]

nah i go full gamble

[near grove]

how far should I divine it? what's the most important affixes here?..

[wary cedar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bxxa4DdB thats my current build

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (68) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,354, Regen: 54.32/s
▸ Mana: 186.16, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 73%, Regen: 68/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 140 Dex / 13 Int / 25 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 94% / 100% / -69% / 49% / 93% / 147%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 449
▸ Dodge Chance: 34% (1188)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (553)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Heartseeker / Shift / Dark Quiver / Smoke Bomb / Puncture

[serene crane]

Yeah just throw uber aberroth echo into the web and try, it stays there even if you die so its really whatever... it only goes away when you reset the timeline

[undone dune]

wehn I was using those for HS my #1 priorities for ravenous were the implicits i needed at least 8 vit to hit 180 stats for RR and the %health is arguably better than slightly less void damage taken

[serene crane]

The bottom damage reduction ones but at the same time you dont really want some minrolled health implicit 😄

[undone dune]

surely less void damage taken is more imporant than phys taken as void though

[near grove]

good enough? 🧐

[undone dune]

and endurance threshold is kind of a meme

I vote yes on that one

[wary cedar]

isnt endurance treshold cool for this?

[serene crane]

Yea looks good 😄

[near grove]

I mean, end th is fine for me since I'm runnign this body

[wary cedar]

exactly

xd

[undone dune]

ohhh

didn't realize it was a wall of nothing build

thats interesting

im used to seeing people use null

BTW blume you are also using wall of nothing but not belt buckle??

[wary cedar]

what is belt buckle???????

[near grove]

I don't like null since capping resists is pain already

this thing, just didn't get to slam something on it yet

[serene crane]

For Wall, sure, but with high endurance with Ravs you are just more likely to proc the mimic feast and lose the 3 void barrier stacks

[undone dune]

seems like the obvious choice for that build but I guess you lose the cold res implicit

[wary cedar]

nah if i lose my ward i can ward me back up fast with potions with the belt i have, also gives crit stats

[undone dune]

every potion would give a large ammount of temp ward

[wary cedar]

gives ward treshold

but if my ward is gone, wall of nothing takes a bit to restore it to full

[paper leaf]

rlly nice !

[near grove]

10% less armor is bad or nah? considering I don't really stack armor anywhere

[paper leaf]

btw i was thinking to roll back to dragonsong , lp4 is soo eazy to obtain

[thin quartz]

your hs skill tree is wrong btw

[undone dune]

im more scared of the 2% reduced movespeed than the 9% less armor 😆

but that looks pretty good

especially if you value the resisitance

[paper leaf]

If u don't use armour, who care about armor ? ^^

[wary cedar]

no no no

[serene crane]

Nothing to worry about...

[thin quartz]

your cold resist is 91 - 75 = 16%
you gain 16% as uncap for your glove and Frozen Splinter node.

[thin quartz]

what do you mean?

[undone dune]

i thought that node ignored the fact that you had mourning frost?

[wary cedar]

bro thats wip

i need more cold res i know that

[undone dune]

isnt' it always kind of rough otherwise

you would be stacking like 300 cold res and getting like 10% cold pen

[thin quartz]

scales with overcapped cold res.

[paper leaf]

mine is in this way and i think is good enough @near grove

[wary cedar]

anyway i figured it would be still best value for 2 points, ( i m not a math guy)

[thin quartz]

it is not

[undone dune]

i would rather have 4 extra stacks of dusk shroud

than 1.6% cold pen

[thin quartz]

you're a crit build. why not add this for 30% more crit multi?

[undone dune]

or the extra poitn in bone piercer

[wary cedar]

i get them from black arrows

[near grove]

I only had 8 of them, so not that many rerolls :(
btw, crit multi is better than cold pen? 🧐

[undone dune]

are you always at 100% glancing blow?

[wary cedar]

humbug

i dont want that

i want dmg

[undone dune]

then take bonepiercer

and get more bow damage

[thin quartz]

then what's the point of this 2 node if you only want damage?

[paper leaf]

idk , i checked maxroll guide 😄
it say crit multi

[wary cedar]

spawning black arrwos?

[thin quartz]

what for? they dont provide you enough damage than this node 3/3 is 30% crit multi

[wary cedar]

dont make me question myself >:(

[undone dune]

black arrows are good for the build

[wary cedar]

but i wanna do have some defensive tho

but guys guys, what do you say to my shift skill tree? xd

[undone dune]

acid flasks?

is that a joke

[wary cedar]

I HAD POINTS LEFT

[thin quartz]

how do you say that with a straight face

[burnt dew]

I didn't notice I had this 2 filters disabled. turned and just sold 2 items worth 100m ea. those drops that I should have gotten before.

[undone dune]

ohhh right you arn't specced shurikens so you have the point left

[wary cedar]

ITS WIPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[wary cedar]

shurikens felt like a bait

[undone dune]

they are there to scale your armor

nothing else

if you have no armor they are infact bait

[thin quartz]

come on! -55% is no longer a WIP. its a
"pak yu and sweep under the rug"

[wary cedar]

yea i dont build armor tho

[thin quartz]

your idols made it so much worse

[wary cedar]

bro listen

its

wip

xd

havent farmed any idols yet

[undone dune]

look I would move the acid flask nodes into more dodge/healing after shift but thats just me

acid flask costs mana

[thin quartz]

wait, you're cof or mg

[wary cedar]

cof of course

[thin quartz]

bad

do you want to know why its bad and then to fix it or its just wip and sweep under the rug thingy

[wary cedar]

i was thinking about respecing dark quiver and going for acid flasks xd

[undone dune]

what are you going to take from acid flask you alreayd have efficacious toxin from puncture

although I guess you dont really have that on bosses

[thin quartz]

dont forget this sentence

[wary cedar]

would do it like this maybe

[near grove]

yeah I'm WIP and have 22 cold, and it feels awful, cold nemesis oneshots me all the time xd

[near grove]

you don't really need jade arrows tbh

[undone dune]

i think the crit multi under jade arrows is better than the buff itself

but i dont think either are very good

[wary cedar]

hm

[thin quartz]

bro, there is no point taking that poison node. you are not scaling poison damage

[wary cedar]

yea you see

i need the acid flasks

xd

[undone dune]

I would do this personally

[thin quartz]

you only want damage that scales WITH your build. not just "oo increase damage, i take"

[near grove]

my shift is like that, but I'll change it later

[thin quartz]

okay.. why? i would like to hear your thought before i pick it apart for you

[wary cedar]

i m just memeing 💀

[serene crane]

Just throw that upper left part completly away... and when you decide to ditch the flask nodes, go for 4/4 kill threshold

[undone dune]

BTW I really wish that idol encahnt that let bow skills trigger acid flask worked

[thin quartz]

is this memeing too

[wary cedar]

depends

[undone dune]

as much as shifting into acid flasks is a meme that would be legit

[gentle basalt]

i think when taking the cdr reset node the pot node goes very well with it as well

[undone dune]

i always forget that node exists

[thin quartz]

yes, if there's extra points.

[undone dune]

not a bad idea

i would put points there before acid flasks

[thin quartz]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/aeonwcs/character/aeonwcs

[summer mural]

more acid flasks = good ofc

[thin quartz]

if you want to stop memeing. you can follow that

[wary cedar]

alrighty ty

its 1 in 26 or something, it better be

[thin quartz]

for more damage i assume?

slam with 1 prefix 2 suffix, i dont see any harm.
we dont need 2 prefix from glove.

[serene crane]

If you really want to meme just swap Troaka for Vial of Volatile Ice

and throw Puncutre away for big acid flask

[undone dune]

can you wield bow+catalyst?

[serene crane]

No idea lol

[undone dune]

for some reason I dont think you can....

[gentle basalt]

dont think you can but it would be cool :d

[half nova]

you cant im pretty sure bow locks offhand to only be quiver

[serene crane]

Sad day it is then 😦

[undone dune]

thats what I always assumed but i dont think I really tested it

clearly vial of volatile ice needs to get its base type changed to be both a catalyst and a quiver

[gentle basalt]

its just vial surely you can just slap it on your belt while wielding bow

[half nova]

and oof even a quiver locks your main hand to only be bow

[gentle basalt]

you already have like 8 to 12 pots there anyway

1 more vial is nothing :d

[wary cedar]

tool tip dmg check 🫡

[paper leaf]

loooooooooooool, still more than me

[undone dune]

well you did one thing right with your memes

[paper leaf]

i'm the lower Heartseeker here

[wary cedar]

i m building for tool tip dmg xd

[serene crane]

Now that makes no sense at all, wtf

[wary cedar]

i think i might can push it to 150k

[half nova]

i was curious if you could dagger and quiver for the memes

[gentle basalt]

speaking about belts surprised these glass hs setups dont use the 12 pot belt, i feel like it would be pretty op there

[half nova]

25 int

25% attack speed

greed is strong

[undone dune]

isn't there some wierdness where quivers do nothing without a bow equiped to stop falcon fists jank

[wary cedar]

i cant pot if i die one hit anyway

[gentle basalt]

you can pre pot

and stack the dodge

[half nova]

and potting on glass build is just for mana

[thin quartz]

dex / res / health% slam or
dex / hybrid / res? depending on what the character need i guess

[gentle basalt]

as the effect stacks multiple times

[wary cedar]

sounds like it would require skill

[undone dune]

jungle queen tech is not skill its pure panic

[gentle basalt]

you get more pots the more pots you have

[elder condor]

For umbral falconers are y’all doing a bow or dagger setup?

[gentle basalt]

you just spam it

while clearing

lul

[undone dune]

realize you are in a bad position and just spam 12 pots and pray you live

[gentle basalt]

you get way too many pots back

[half nova]

tbh get your excel spread sheet out aka load build into last epoch tools

and check

[serene crane]

I pot (4s) + Shift (1s) for increased movement speed (Exsa) for increased damage

[thin quartz]

idk if that character need res. if not double health can get.
if talking about glove. im thinking of this

24% is basically 6% lesser than immortal vise on the perfect roll

the rest is useless, but just for the first line.

just like immortal vise

[undone dune]

doesn't that last mod kill you?

[gentle basalt]

well immortal vise is 30% + 30% * your endu threshold right

[thin quartz]

i tested it. no

[serene crane]

Wait, hold up.... it has cdr... new dancing strikes item! 😄

[lofty rune]

I mean, some builds in principle can also just barely or not use mana

[gentle basalt]

that last mod does nothing even on builds that spend way more mana on that glove

[undone dune]

huh

[lofty rune]

How about a sorc?

[gentle basalt]

just a bit of leech is plenty to counter it

[thin quartz]

he can take 250% of my 2.1 mana cost.

[undone dune]

look at that blume's meme is beating you on tooltip dps

[thin quartz]

then i remembered, you're using phase point, im using teeth. that's probably a huge damage difference also

my current teeth is literally perfectly rolled damage

[thin quartz]

i have a feeling that's buffed.

[serene crane]

I hope Blume beats both Aeon and Ragu in the Uberroth Hs race

[undone dune]

i wasn't going to poke the bear with that one

but you might be right

uhh

acid flask talents on shift

[thin quartz]

to the gates of hell with that phy res.

[gentle basalt]

phase point is kinda buggy anyway, at least for damage it doesnt work at all just defense

[undone dune]

and -81% phys res

and a few other funny things like the cold pen talent on HS despite only having like 76 cold res

[thin quartz]

fake buffed tooltip

[wary cedar]

nu buffs

[serene crane]

Bro actually doping in tooltip dps 😦

[wary cedar]

cant take a sreenshot without spawning a crab goddamn

[thin quartz]

@copper rapids

[undone dune]

the no rightclick is so triggering wtf

[wary cedar]

i trigger crab with shift

[serene crane]

Its kinda funny how crab ring is legit better for more damage than red ring

[wary cedar]

but even if i just unequip my crab ring i have more >:)

[thin quartz]

sorry boss, with that 1.3khp, you deserve all the damage that you need.

[serene crane]

wait, get 2 of those, slam 16dex there, Shift and take screenshot... just make sure to hide or photoshop away the shift cooldown

[wary cedar]

well you know, more dmg > faster clear > more loot

[thin quartz]

yeah yeah, 100% agreed, totallllyyyy dude.

[wary cedar]

now you re memeing

[thin quartz]

im agreeing with you

[summer mural]

when extreme endgame means you get oneshot anyway, health pool is 1 or 0

[gentle basalt]

with frostbite shackles its probs like 2k+ ward while clearing tho right

i was running wall of nothing on my frostbite heartseeker for a bit was around 2k-3k ward plenty of times but did not liked 1.5k hp either xd

and im too lazy to fix rest of my gear anyway for it

[unique path]

hp? wats that

more damage

[wary cedar]

eh gonna swap them, they give me like 300 ward as best

[unique path]

my lv 30 runemaster is running around w a 4 lp weapon

[thin quartz]

because shackles are suppose to slam with experimental mod from glove.

[gentle basalt]

i guess on hit you dont have much freeze multi

but there is some ring with ES on crit instead isnt there

or something like that

i mean ward

lul

[thin quartz]

it got nerfed.

[gentle basalt]

ah rip

[serene crane]

When I see all the stuff with Moerningfrost and Suloron, I realyl wish we had some more interractions with negative resists... kinda like this from PoE, such fun item 😄

[gentle basalt]

up to 4 times per second, yea thats garbage

[serene crane]

and this is even worse now 😄

[thin quartz]

it got nerf because of rogue as well. lol

previously it was how rogue low life generate ward on that ring. x2 of it

[undone dune]

not just rogue

a bunch of sorcs were doing it too

[thin quartz]

oh is it? ahhh i see

[undone dune]

but yeah cant have set items be useable

gotta nerf them all

[thin quartz]

im hitting edge shade soon.

[near grove]

Guys, if I'm calculating dps of HS, is it fair to cut all recursive hits past 2% chance of happening? Like, if chance that hit recurves x times is less than 2%(which essentially means that less than 1 in 50 attacks will do that many hits), is it logical to cap it?

[gentle basalt]

well with freeze investment frosbite shackles are still op at least :d just not on bosses

[thin quartz]

yeah, i remember that. i'll @ you soon

[gentle basalt]

if you are brute forcing the calculation by simulating it then sure having some limits on the iteration is pretty normal, assuming that is what this issue is

pob does same thing for some stuff for example

[near grove]

Nah, I have a formula, it's not a calculation issue

[gentle basalt]

well if its formula then theres no reason to cap it imo

as on average you want to account for all data ideally

[near grove]

Yeah, let's not cap it then
I'm just afraid that there's a node which gives more damage for each recurve till 12, so if we take that you're doing 8 recurves on average, but 12th has 1% of happening, then you're adding some chunks of dps which are unlikely to happen
Tho I think I'll just expose the toggle for cutoff in GUI

[thin quartz]

@copper rapids ready

[worldly vault]

what is the "best" heartseeker build atm?

[thin quartz]

its realllly edge

[gentle basalt]

well on average that 1% will also happen at some point, and it can happen in both ways, e.g you can also just get way less recurves too randomly so it evens out

so its fine

similar comparison is including stuff like 1% crit in dps calculation, every dps calculator would include it

even though its unlikely to happen

[near grove]

Depends on your definition of "best"
Among hit based:
Max dps is dragonsong variant, but it's more annoying to play and build

[pearl forge]

imo dragonsong is death simulator

[worldly vault]

i just want to farm timelines and maybe do abaroth (no interest in trying out uber)

i have a primalist who can do abaroth etc... so i dont really care about gear requierments

[gentle basalt]

for mono farming and just regular bosses i would recommend either cold hit or cold dot

[near grove]

My build rn is like that, i think I'm dying only to his big slam which is pretty easy to avoid
Some items are hard to get, but there's nothing insane either
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Ap3ya3do

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (29) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (66) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,509, Regen: 26.6/s
▸ Mana: 202.48, Regen: 11.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 94%, Regen: 194/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 105 Dex / 16 Int / 29 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 95% / 22% / 115% / 46% / 104% / 108% / 125%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 63%, Threshold: 450
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1363)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (630)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Dark Quiver / Shift / Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Puncture

[gentle basalt]

both can kill regular abberoth easily as well

[worldly vault]

i have 1lp versions of all that, only need to farm the idols

[gentle basalt]

i like cold dot because you just freeze everything so its pretty fun

[pearl forge]

aberroth is a cutscene for me rn

[thin quartz]

what HP% did you reach on uber?

[gentle basalt]

and as mentioned earlier frostbite shackles pretty op if you freeze everything as well :d

[pearl forge]

uber is another story of course

[near grove]

I have not tried it, usual one takes like 1-2 mins, so I'm afraid uber isn't doable with gear like that
I'll try after I balance my resists and slam nihilis/ravs

[thin quartz]

ahh okay. i thought you meant uber. my bad

[terse tree]

34% was my best last night - died to fact i had no potions left 💀

[near grove]

Have anyone even cleared uber on HS? I think people who farm it do it with falconers since it's just 10x dps, or even more

[terse tree]

it's doable with more potions or leech

[unique path]

ya wudi cleared it w some tanky build and dog dps

and some offliners

thats about it as far as hs goes

[thin quartz]

with HS?

[terse tree]

yes

[thin quartz]

i hit 36%

[frank olive]

if we had doryani morning frost would actually be busted

like its already good now

lmaoo

[frank olive]

is there a negative res limit in last epoch?

[thin quartz]

i just need to work on my chest glove relic and i am 100% clearing that uber

[terse tree]

pretty much my outcome from yesterday, i could prob beat it if i had couple potions left or better leech

[frank olive]

show the heartseeker haters man

[terse tree]

we will get there eventually

[frank olive]

tbf there are already people that cleared uber with heartseeker

[thin quartz]

noo, that was from last night D:

[gentle basalt]

time to grab some chaps

[near grove]

How bad is uber abby btw? on usual you can dodge most shit, I assume on uber it's more like survivability stat check coz of aoe spams?

[frank olive]

yeah

[terse tree]

too much shit going on at the same time

[frank olive]

lazer spam gets really bad in last phase

[unique path]

its more of a damage check tbh more than anything

if u got the damage and some kinda self healing/pots

[frank olive]

if u dont have broken op dmg it stacks

[unique path]

problem is mostly a damage thing

[frank olive]

really fast

[unique path]

unless ur senis

who can basically afk 99% of mechanics

[frank olive]

well and enough regen to tank ground degens too

[unique path]

then u can take 30 minutes

rn from what i seen

mages farm it decently fast too

spellblades etc

nothing as good as falconer/shaman ofc

speed wise

end of the day doesnt matter if u kill in 40 sec or 1.5 min

[gentle basalt]

i would guess lich is also pretty good at uber aberroth but cba to push my lich further as it feels so bad in monos compared to rogue :d

[unique path]

idk what happened to warlocks, am assuming they have 0 problems clearing too for sure

[pearl forge]

you know what would help me get uber lower than 50%

[unique path]

hell am p sure they can afk clear w some cringe snapshotting abom build

[pearl forge]

that 150% crit multi that missed the slam

now to wait for someone to miraculously get another 3lp with not bad mods

or just keep trying to slam my two t7 and fail again again like now

[thin quartz]

oh okay. im down.

[gentle basalt]

well all warlock ward generation was mostly giga nerfed right over time

but the damage should still be there

[thin quartz]

i'll go purchase more tower

[burnt dew]

I'm only seeing 1 havoc :/

[thin quartz]

@copper rapids ready

[gentle basalt]

i was mostly looking at lich because the survivability there looked kinda broken especially with immortal vise but its just so boring

[burnt dew]

nvm got 12 from it

[near grove]

lmao I just checked my passive tree and I have like 10 wasted passives on things like armor shred which are useless for the build

[serene crane]

Ye definitely 😄 I just meant like some synergy like this overall...

[undone dune]

how is armor shred bad for HS?

[gentle basalt]

well you dont need 10 points into it most likely right :d

[undone dune]

oh are you just using forstbite for dps?

[near grove]

it's good, I just had too much of it

[gentle basalt]

i assume you took whole sharpshoote rand node after right

[near grove]

like, you only need 80 stacks

[near grove]

exactly xd

[serene crane]

Bro I had for very short time a spellblade with 2x Bee sword, shatter strike and I think two of those rings... the amount of ward it generated insanely fast was great, but also rip mana 😄 was fun tho

[undone dune]

i feel like 2 points in death from afar was enough

HS just hits so much

[near grove]

80 stacks is softcap with no armor shred effec, with it it's even lower
HS hits so many times that overcapping it soo easy

[serene crane]

What would yo go for 2LP black blade btw? t7 flat lightning and I guess t5+ crit multi? No idea if %lightning would do more than multi

[near grove]

"nearby" here is how near? ol' good nearby from poe leaked here too

[serene crane]

Also since I got enough dex on gloves I can swap between Heart and Ucenui

[pearl forge]

t7 flat and t7 multi

but idk about the math of just 2 t7 flat

i kinda want to try but the market is dry

cant really go buying lots of 2lp and pray i hit twice LUJL

[undone dune]

I just assumed nearby is 4m because thats the range concentration lists

[near grove]

I wonder if I should take that node

[undone dune]

30 bow damage is a lot

and it adaptive so its bow cold because of the convert

[near grove]

Yeah that like almost 2 t7 dex worth of flat, tho doesn't add to icicles unfortunately

[topaz schooner]

its closer to 60 for non-phys

[wet bear]

stonks

[topaz schooner]

aint no one paying 350x for 1%

[wet bear]

350 are peanuts

[topaz schooner]

not when its 460,000x350 lol

[wet bear]

specially when the others are listed for 100m+

[manic prism]

if i have %400 crit multi, this gives %100 penet to my poison right?

[serene crane]

Yeah no idea either... without pob its kinda hard to even try since dcent 2LP black blades are not the easiest to get

[gentle basalt]

well its 50%, so if its 400% added then it would be 200 poison pen no

[patent ledge]

Does the damage per second calculated on Synchronized strike count with the shadow damage too?

[paper leaf]

Noice price

[pearl forge]

it just has so many variables

i wish the pen at least was 4% static

or the dex or the cdr

any of those static would help tons

[pearl forge]

would give 200% to poison

or well yea nvm it is added to it would be 100 yes

[wary cedar]

damn why was fp so low 😭

[manic prism]

can i make glancing chance %100

[pearl forge]

yea

[craggy osprey]

not a shabby drop

[paper leaf]

Price? O_O

[craggy osprey]

max

[pearl forge]

that is cap likely

[craggy osprey]

i already bought one for cap 1h ago

so now i got 2 and can transition

[pearl forge]

watch you miss the 3lp slam like me

[paper leaf]

Ggs, how much corruption are u running to get 3lp? Reeee

[pearl forge]

usually people with big bucks are farming uberroth

meanwhile im flipping hybrid hp on items with havocs slowlyy

[paper leaf]

ye i know, maybe he isn't >_>

[craggy osprey]

im not mechanicly able to farm that consistly hehehe

1400c

ish

[paper leaf]

okki

[craggy osprey]

think i made about 10billion since wednesday with 3lp drops and havoc

also normal abba

[pearl forge]

i have to actually use my envy and farm aberroth today

i have 300 envy

oof

[serene crane]

crit multi 130-170
3-4% pen or just static 4... having 2 is just absolute garbage 😄

• cdr at least like 12%+; 8% feels awful bad
• dex like 5-12 (so it at least damn adds pen since it scales with every 5dex)
• flat lightning/void range could stay why not
• static %chance for time rot and shock, like comeon, why even having such insane range on this thing

[wary cedar]

nemesis pog

[pearl forge]

big

i still havent dropped even 1 from imprint

on god

im going crazy

[wary cedar]

best imprint for me was the echo reward one

dropped me 2 i think

[serene crane]

Is this the end of the best crab duo?

[wary cedar]

i can FINALLAYYYYYY

evade

[serene crane]

Yeah, but at what cost...

[wary cedar]

sadly only one tier 7 😭

[thin quartz]

triple exalt is not good for crafting. you only redemption rune and pray

[wary cedar]

yea but for the superomegaultra lp3/4 uniques

gotta think big

[serene crane]

Hey now, we're not here to think, we're here to do some damage

[wary cedar]

i m thinking in big numbers

[serene crane]

Hmmm, big number leads to success
success leads to pride
pride leads to greed, yes
greed leads to even bigger numbers
bigger numbers lead to the dark side of falconers

[wary cedar]

if i swap to falc i also could just stop playing

[lofty rune]

There are 5 classes: sentinel, primalist, mage, warlock, and falconer

[wary cedar]

wheres my marksman🥲

[terse bloom]

36.88s uberroth

[serene crane]

Look Juse, he perfectly fits into the formula

[lofty rune]

I want to use my coffin dance emote but I guess this server blocks emotes from other servers

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-coffin-dance-funeral-funny-farewell-gif-16737844

Bah, doesn't even do the gifs from discord's own feature properly

[serene crane]

Yeah no idea why its turned off here

[wary cedar]

for what do i spend my favor now since i got my 2 rings?

[lofty rune]

Can't go wrong with runes

[serene crane]

Idols, better 3/4LP gear... idk I heard the generic rune prophecy is kinda not too common to roll?

[wary cedar]

guess its idols then for now

[terse bloom]

https://youtu.be/G38n6PKBaH8?si=FcJ-xY6-bXTxd6Jm

36.88s roth

[wary cedar]

time to play another game huh?

[steady lark]

ice or fire better for heartseeker?

[wary cedar]

cie

[steady lark]

what are the differences in dmg between two?

or overall differences

[wary cedar]

i think fire might do more dmg

but its stooped

since you need to go meele as marksman

[steady lark]

wym with stooped?

[sleek holly]

got it yesterday aswell

[wary cedar]

really need to grind exalted now

nothing to slam

[sleek holly]

same

[near grove]

Slaming dex on rav void is ok, right? I'm not gaslighting myself and there's no need to slam HP or something like that?

[pearl forge]

you die

a lot

[flint turret]

Rolled an ideal hybrid hp on it, no regrets

[pearl forge]

also i wonder why i dont see HS people using shift withh the dmg amps

[steady lark]

is there a good ice build guide?

are peolple doing the one from wudjo?

[flint turret]

You mean for 1 skill use? What's the point if you are shooting 3+ times per second

[serene crane]

Rav+t7 hybrid life for mapping, can go other gloves for bossing... Riverbend, Lirakas, Blood Rost with t7 16 dex

[wary cedar]

@steady lark i m running this atm, i made sure its xtra spicy

[pearl forge]

for hit based it is still a lot of dmg isnt it

always crit and 60% more dmg

[flint turret]

Ravs is also the only thing we got except vise to mitigate Uber Abby

[pearl forge]

you can use blood mage but only the progenesis mod matters

others are kinda bad

[flint turret]

We already have 100% crit on our builds, and 60% more damage for 1 skill out of 10 is basically 6% more overall

[pearl forge]

yea makes sense just wonder if you could get more dmg per cast like that but i guess you just shoot more

[flint turret]

It's possible

[pearl forge]

not like there is a head that is super better than peak anyway

[flint turret]

With shadow consumption on dark quiver you can get 300% more for the cast with 3 shadows

And 60% from shift on top of it too

But it requires a bit of combo-play

X4 and x1.6 for 1 cast is not that bad, might be worth the time picking up 2-3 black arrows

[serene crane]

Uber Abberoth is just different than other bossing Id say, ye... 😄

[pearl forge]

o guess shifting and using smokebomb to get even more casts and getting black arrows might be interesting

wonder how low can you get shift cd

[flint turret]

My new plan is using gathering fury+null portent with obervapped void+ucenui and try to sustain myself in pools/beams

I'm not getting 2lp row anyway so might as well get easy gathering 3lp from prophecies and not worry about int

[serene crane]

Return to the og gathering fury idea \o/ 😄

[flint turret]

A week of farming row 2lp to no avail makes one rethink own decisions

[serene crane]

on MM with mournigfrost your only choice is t7 cdr on belt and boots... opals exist but not for red rings 😦 on my SD LM I got t7 cdr on 22% Stymied, so 1.8shift is great 😄

I wonder how much this would do with 2 10% opal rings, 32% belt, 32% boots, 12% helmet for Dancing Strikes tho... I guess without gloves and helmet its 0.3s? 0.2s might be sweet

[flint turret]

There is no affix budget for cdr, let alone t7 cdr. Dex+mourningfrost gobble everything up by themselves

[serene crane]

3LPs maybe, would be nice QoL, also gotta fit resists, kinda... 😄

[flint turret]

Sure, give me few min to start my pc

[thin quartz]

im back as well.

big

[flint turret]

Yeah 3lp on mourningfrost or brew or elecoe or jungle that is

[wary cedar]

did i heard my name?

[thin quartz]

invite

[undone dune]

nice

-69% is peak keep it there

[wary cedar]

dont make me blush

[flint turret]

How does it feel being 69-ed by every other rare enemy?

[wary cedar]

i m farming at a corruption where i can kill everything before it attacks me so i dunno

[near grove]

does increased cold/bow damage adds to increased from attributes bonus on skill?

logically speaking should be addictive?

[wide yacht]

WHY IS THE LOOM WALKER SLAM ANIMATION

NOT SYNCED

HE DOES THE DAMAGE BEFORE THE ACTUAL SLAM

[thin quartz]

@copper rapids you wanna spam eye key? you need ws, i need wall. any other stuff is bonus

i have 24 rn

oh yeah true you already got it. all g

i actually never really do this two much. i can try

[flint turret]

im in. now?

[thin quartz]

i got 5 trove and 30 barnacles

ready whenever

[paper leaf]

nice void res

[wary cedar]

i mean

would fit perfectly if not the goddamn game would sabotage me

[sturdy fog]

Did anyone do a build with Black Blade yet?

[wary cedar]

guess i do no crit hs now

[serene crane]

Man I got 3LP Queen from turtle 🤓 kinda threw it in there for fun

[serene crane]

Sounds like 1/3 enemy skills that often one-shot you... 😄 first you die, then the animation happens 😄

[fallen forge]

Why exalted fire and cold melee me on dagger on physbuild?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Ap3yDRko

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (14) / Marksman (8) / Falconer (71)

General:

▸ Health: 2,276, Regen: 133.56/s
▸ Mana: 126.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 133 Dex / 13 Int / 13 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 70% / 70% / 85% / 89% / 65% / 70%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 455
▸ Dodge Chance: 50% (1896)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 32% (1,583)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 16%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Used skills:

Smoke Bomb / Aerial Assault / Umbral Blades / Falconry / Dive Bomb

[gentle basalt]

isnt most of the scaling there generic, its probs just because its a lot of flatand thats it

[fallen forge]

okay

[elder condor]

Bruh this guy dude lmao. https://youtu.be/G38n6PKBaH8?si=lTGAmEJGgyR4QwMx

[vocal gust]

any HS build that uses this?

[hot island]

I've been trying to get a HS fire convertion with Dragonsong and Fire Daggers for a while now, which can leverage this ring, but having troubles scaling fire damage...

it's a bummer there are things like bow fire damage and not simply fire damage for rogues...

[vocal gust]

hmm might be a good idea to add pearls of swine with fire damage but I agree...cold HS is just a lot better than fire because of uniques that boost cold damage

[steady lark]

or

ice heartseeker could use shattered worlds?

is this usless for me

XD

[near grove]

it's good, but you'll need to adjust build probably
and I'm not sure you want to use 0 lp one

[vocal gust]

so hard to replace Ucenui's effects

[near grove]

I just realized that I'm overcapped on recurve chance, shit

I forgot that tree has passive for 40%

[steady lark]

its max roll crit and atttributes bro

XD

[terse bloom]

https://youtu.be/KX5PQF7XHUM

[steady lark]

its prob gold cap worth

[terse bloom]

uberroth 4 man carry 1:08

[thin quartz]

what do you mean overcapped?

[near grove]

diminishing returns are big
softcap is 235, second cap is 295 and going past 295 is not worth it really

[craggy osprey]

@terse bloom now that your here - i got 2 3lp daggers, whats the stat importance ranking to slam?

[thin quartz]

they are just... going in to die and not even trying to survive. lol

[thin quartz]

what's the stats to hit 235 / 295

[near grove]

the number of hits and avg dps increase per 10% extra

[thin quartz]

can i give you my stats and help me check what's my current recurve?

[elder condor]

Let’s just praise @terse bloom and kidnap him

[thin quartz]

im at the point that if i get more dex i will have a hard time with my res.
i currently have 131

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/aeonwcs/character/aeonwcs

[near grove]

100 is base
50% of dex, so it's like 50 out of 100 dex
40% tree
10 * 4 = 40% arrow mastery
5 * 2 = 10% bloodseeker
so just with that it's 230 already

[terse bloom]

what build? t7 crit multi if umbral/shadow dagger weighted, flat melee dam if dive bomb weighted

[near grove]

for you it's 235%

[thin quartz]

mine is 235%? alright. ty

so i dont need to get more dex. i can just maintain

[near grove]

you have 30 more dex but only 3/4 arr mastery in HS tree

I mean, dex gives flat
but I feel you with resists struggle

[craggy osprey]

ive not transitioned out of bow yet - so whatever is easiest to transition into. I do have all the other gear (2x red ring, relic, 2lp portent, lp boots, 3lp gloves etc)

[thin quartz]

yeah, i dont see the point for 4/4 on that node. alright thank you so much!

[near grove]

I just realised that I can drop recurve chance idol for resists ones
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7YmPvgA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Rogue (29) / Bladedancer (13) / Marksman (65) / Falconer (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,816, Regen: 26.6/s
▸ Mana: 214.39, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 94%, Regen: 194/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 107 Dex / 16 Int / 29 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 35% / 130% / -26% / 69% / 94% / 149%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 592
▸ Dodge Chance: 43% (1571)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (651)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 102%

Used skills:

Dark Quiver / Shift / Heartseeker / Smoke Bomb / Puncture

[thin quartz]

when running temple, im so afraid of getting 2 different +20 dex shine. because that shit will -40% on my phy and cold res

[terse bloom]

depends if you want fast clear: go t7 crit multi + phys dam % + shared phys pen + shred armor or better bossing (minion build) go t7 flat dam + shared phys pen + t5 flat dam + shred armor and blind on the other dag

[thin quartz]

oh my.. i didnt know your cold/phy res is like that

[craggy osprey]

alright ty - i got both of your planners from the vids open, ill see whats most feasible with getting daggers to slam

[scenic sky]

ah joo

now give me 1lp