🔪┃rogue

[scenic otter]

With... what exactly?

I'm checking right now and there less slots comapred to 1.1 even. There's idol slots now I guess.

Ones I found:
Health + flat endu, 1x3 primalist idol.
Warcray rare affix, primalist only, Relic.
Flat dodge rating + flat endu threshold if you have not been hit, Experimental gloves.
Flat endu threshold, belt.
Health regen + flat endu threshold, Last bear's lament helm set shard.
Increased shock duration+ flat endu threshold against shocked enemies, 3x1/1x3 mage idol.
Endurance + endurance threshold, 1x1 weaver idol.

[scenic otter]

Sir, that's 1.1

[lament radish]

yes

[scenic otter]

See what's happening to it at 1.2

[lament radish]

I know

but I stated for 1.1

[scenic otter]

So, endu threshold affixes where?

[deft horizon]

lol

[scenic otter]

Which won't matter within 2 days.

[deft horizon]

ive been readin the past 5 mins of your back and fourth, id just ignore the guy XD @scenic otter

[lament radish]

ofc

[scenic otter]

For 1.1, ideally you'll get a mix of both, and not only one or the other.

Because you still have your 3 T5 hybrid health and passives.

Not building health just to max cap endu threshold is... pretty damn stupid when hybrid health affixes exist.

[serene crane]

oh wtf, what is that slaughter...?

[scenic otter]

Someone didn't read the patch notes! I saw a reddit post complaining about it the hour it dropped.

[serene crane]

There is a new patch???

[vapid arrow]

How was this node not mentioned on the rogue tree when comparing hp to threshold

[scenic otter]

1. We already concurred that % max hp to endu threshold is good, we're mostly talking about flat endu threshold.
2. That damn thing dies on taking a hit.

[serene crane]

35 dodge for 5points... idk, doesnt really sound like a great investment either 😄

[scenic otter]

It's great if you're already building dodge, because that means it'll be used more than once per combat. It helps mitigate DoTs since DoTs don't hit, and is effectively one shot ehp boost.

[lament radish]

What is the "base potion droprate" when hitting boss? I don't find any information about potion

It's based on hit damage or every hit can drop potions?

[rugged pollen]

do we know what gauntlet of shade is

and souls of the erased

the woven tree has things i've never seen talked abt before

🤔

or i just missed them

[meager fern]

its a place where you either get an Omnis or get Omnis'd

[rugged pollen]

wut

[meager fern]

yk

[rugged pollen]

[flint turret]

He's not necessarily wrong depending on what corr he has in mind. You will eventually get one-shot that's a fact. And rogue not having 10k+ ward like some of others pre 1.2 is true too. But generally yeah, people focus too much on damage and end up dying a lot

[topaz schooner]

He's a redditor, we're likely talking 300 corruption max

[meager fern]

[little temple]

hey guys has anyone done any heartseeker planning ?, i've done a few and i can't seem to reach pass 800k without gutting defense, the skill seems pretty mid even as a single target

most promising heartseeker seems to be dread ignite ward build

[topaz schooner]

wdym mid? anyone with a brain can do some basic math and see how broken it is

[little temple]

the entire tree only has 1.7 damage multi, im struggling to get more damage out of it

[topaz schooner]

it has 100% effectiveness of added damage and hits 10 times per second per cast

[little temple]

that's why i'm hoping someone did planner and see the final number, cause for me the cap doesn't seem very high

[meager fern]

someone indeed did

[little temple]

my final number is 300 flat, 4x multi, 13x increased, 235% recurve for 7 average recurve, 1.7 multi from tree 1.5 shred and 30% cold pen

[serene crane]

Very true, after reaching 300 corruption I had to transition from life to 2948148591 ward to properly sustain the wind brushing my hair

[little temple]

which comes out to be about 400k-450k per hit or close to 1 million dps

[meager fern]

think his final numbers were a little different

[topaz schooner]

are you counting all the bonuses from black arrow and such?

[little temple]

no it seems to inconsistent, i'm gessing it is a 40% more consistently ?

i also did not factor in how many darkshroud you get with this, which is very sweet, im guessing 10+

[topaz schooner]

uhhh.. no its a lot. also are you counting the 60% more from the quiver?

[little temple]

the quiver is for rain of arrow only, no way you get that bonus from spamming

i have not done any numbers with the cooldown heartseeker, doesn't seem good

[topaz schooner]

Crystalwind?

[little temple]

yeah that thing

[topaz schooner]

that's a free 60% more damage every second

[flint turret]

I would lol. The difference between 20% and 60% endu in overall ehp is 5% vs 30%

[topaz schooner]

i know you would but I just don't think survivability is that hard to come by pre 500c

[lament radish]

Can someone tell me why Dex shard rarity is "Rare" when other stats are "Common", just noticed that when I do my filter lul

[serene crane]

lol, weird

[topaz schooner]

I haven't done a planner either because I'm not starting HS, i'm starting paladin with the new multistrike, doing electrocution smite, but I've definitely done some math and seen others post about their builds and it looks broken

[topaz schooner]

is this factoring in reign procs and also how many heartseekers?

[little temple]

reign is like 20% damage, and 7 heartseekers at 235%

the quiver is very nice, but i won't count dark quiver until i have a feel for it

[topaz schooner]

7 recurves?

[little temple]

yeah

someone made a chart for it , and 235 seems to guarantee 7 on average

[topaz schooner]

keep in mind that heartseeker has no limit on how many you can cast and how many are hitting a target

[topaz schooner]

yeah that sounds right

[little temple]

yeah i counted 150 increase AS too

[topaz schooner]

Wait what? lol they removed it from 5 slots?

[lament radish]

sadly yes

[little temple]

btw a youtuber said the first heartseeker hit and 1st recurve does not have 0.8 recurve multiplier, it only start at the 3rd, is that true ?

[topaz schooner]

@zenith bridge would know

[little temple]

i saw it from a youtuber name curse

[topaz schooner]

I dont think curse was a playtester

[scenic otter]

Unless there’s hidden alt text what we do not know of, recurve always gets lowered.

[little temple]

seems reasonable, the first hit is a hit, next one is the 1st recurve, so make sense that it wouldn't count

if it is then you get 8 hits on average

[topaz schooner]

He also said the 12% per recurve was multiplicative with itself with utmost certainty, when its very clearly additive with itself.

[little temple]

i counted it as additive, which comes out to be 60% more damage at 7 recurve

multi with itself seems broken

[topaz schooner]

lol yeah

nothing in the game scales 12%^7

that i can think of

[little temple]

i got the additive from the wording

[scenic otter]

#🔪┃rogue message

[little temple]

every recurve adds a stack, every stack is 12% more

[scenic otter]

There’s a bleed Hs builder theory

2k bleeds

[topaz schooner]

and it says multiplicative with OTHER stats. It would clearly say if it was multiplicative with itself

But we'll see

[flint turret]

Mountain boots is a big tech to stack endu. And it was always a decent way to facetank if someone is willing to commit to it

[little temple]

multiplicative with other is very normal, every other more damage node does that, but multi with itself is not normal

[topaz schooner]

I just don't see why you'd jump to oh yeah it multiplies itself when nothing in the game does

[little temple]

must be a bug, it being additive and giving you 60% more damage is very normal behavior

[topaz schooner]

Yeah I can't think of a single buff that stacks multiplicatively with itself, its all additive. thatd be broken as fk

[topaz schooner]

Again, I don't think curse is a playtester, he's just theorycrafting

trikster would know the answers to all of this as he has played with HS prob more than anyone else

other than devs

OH yeah the biggest change of this update... no more damage variance on dummies... @flint turret rejoice

[little temple]

if it multi with itself then it turns into a x2 damage multi on average at 7 recurves

[topaz schooner]

yep

[little temple]

from 60% more to 100 more doesn't seem that crazy, but still insane skill point value

[topaz schooner]

Well right now the hardcap for recurves is like 250 or so

but with that stacking multiplicatively with itself then gaining an extra 2 recurves would be pretty big

[little temple]

your only option left is sac a helmet stat for recurve and idols

[flint turret]

I mean... Just slap the endu blessing on top of lirakas or t5 affix on any slot and you are set. Or slap 0lp anchor and forget about it

[topaz schooner]

so it would make going for those extra recurve chance mods on idol, helmet, body, more worth it. right now there's basically no reason to go for it since its like.. 8% more damage overall from 250 recurve to 400

[topaz schooner]

yeah no fk that

[topaz schooner]

yeah true its not hard to cap endurance

i play the game more like... stack as much damage and movement speed until I die, then i'll invest in more defenses

casual SC poe player mindset

[tribal zinc]

hey everyone
someone has an idea for heartseeker cold idols?
seems like generic bow damage and cold pen are the best options

[lament radish]

anyone practiced lots of leveling rogue here? I want to know how to generally setup filter for leveling ?

[little temple]

cold pen is very good

not sure where those weaver idol come from though, might be from boss

[tribal zinc]

there is a prophecy for them in CoF

probably minor idols with cold pen prefix and health, added health regen suffix then

bow dmg works even after converting HS to cold right?

[little temple]

yeah bow is generic

[topaz schooner]

i'm sure terek has a leveling filter on his leveling guide

[little temple]

has dev said where the new weaver idol base come from ?

small weaver idols has 3% pen on it any element, which is insane

[flint turret]

Yeah that's really great, now I want a dummy with ailment immunity to remove the shred variable

[scenic otter]

Most likely the weaver echo that lets you craft them

[little temple]

that's the enchantment, there's a new weaver idol base with its own stats as well

enchantment looks pretty mid tbh

[topaz schooner]

They said they drop in the weaver side zones randomly

[little temple]

nice nice ty

more tomb and cems from weaver tree it is then

[flint turret]

Well, it's just a bit extra power for free, so nothing wrong with that

[little temple]

entire tree has 0 idol support, very sad, except for cutting everything else and make space for idol echo

[topaz schooner]

yep and those guys also drop echoes, and we can trade in those random echoes for random other echoes so it'll be very nice to farm those zones

[topaz schooner]

Yep however I had a thought, did they remove idols from shrines? I saw shrines give random abilities and I dont remember that in 1.0

i didnt play 1.1 so i wasn't sure if they made shrines give you random abilities for periods of time

[little temple]

they are still there, shrine is nerfed because of it, most of your shrines are useless abilities

[topaz schooner]

Ah so shrines no longer are consistent for gold and idols then?

thats a shame

[little temple]

early on they're great though, just take those shrine keep moving forward

if you're a rogue the fireballs from mage still does 0 damage

idk if they changed it

[topaz schooner]

So they just diluted the pool with a bunch of sht that isn't gold and idols and uniques 😂

[little temple]

yeah pretty much

[topaz schooner]

There's a woven echo that says it has many shrines in the area, so I was thinking the woven echo will be a really good way of target farming idols and gold

sad to hear they nerfed shrines

[little temple]

they must have seen feedback about ability idol being bad late game

i'm looking at loot lizard right now, every loot lizard guarantees a unique is crazy

[flint turret]

At least cof got prophecies for new idols unlike new runes

[topaz schooner]

I think they reduced the spawnrates by like 60% if I remember correctly

so they "buffed" them by 60% to compensate

i cant remember the actual number I think it was like 60% less frequent

They mentioned it one of the many interviews

[boreal walrus]

[serene crane]

There should also be some nodes for lizards in the weaver tree I think? Might be worth trying with the new dungeon key that should boost spawnrate of lizards in the dungeon 🤔

[little temple]

15% lizard spawn from champ spawn

30% from a cache

and lizard tail, must be a room full of lizards

super arena looks really good btw, it says spawn champions with an S, and champ can spawn lizard, and lizard drop a unique

[flint turret]

Why row have to add attunement bro. I just wanna use ucenui, I don't want to gable-match t7 int on my gear for it

Can also try to match it with tundra helm tho

[topaz schooner]

30% increase or flat?

[little temple]

open cache has a 30% chance to spawn a lizard

[topaz schooner]

15% from champ spawn is kinda nice

[topaz schooner]

yep this

the new arena could be sick

kinda reminds me of grim dawn arena

[serene crane]

Oh right that reminds me of that arena faction I wrote somewhere in the suggestions... could use favour to build shrines and turrents in the arenas or something like that

[topaz schooner]

crucible, thats the name

[little temple]

im wondering how the tree affect the echo

like does it change in real time or it only affect echoes you haven't explored

like if i take 60% more arena, does my echo web with 400 nodes change instantly

[topaz schooner]

it says in the video "new discovered echoes"

[serene crane]

It could add them to the unseen echoes 🤔

ye

[little temple]

yeah that make sense ty

[topaz schooner]

which is still omega good especially because they said the vision tower actually can reveal new woven echoes, meaning the echoes themselves are not pre-determined but rather generated every time

[torn stump]

weaver tree have so many things to try and pick that its overwhelming

[topaz schooner]

all i know is that I can finally remove arena echoes, that is the biggest w for me

[little temple]

you can separate it to 5 categories i think

take 1 category, take nodes to buff that category, that's about it

[torn stump]

maybe with the revamp arenas + 3 less waves they are super fast with tons of champions

[little temple]

also arena drops amber, i wonder how much amber

[serene crane]

Well its like entirely new thing, so yeah... imagine If you were using some skill, no skill tree existed and suddenly skill trees got added to the game 😄

[topaz schooner]

do we know how much it costs to respec the weaver tree?

That I havent seen yet

[little temple]

im guessing 5k a node at best

[serene crane]

you put points there so... but I guess it wont be much... iiiif it'll need gold to respec that and not something else? 😄

[little temple]

there's also a node that say champion drops a pile of gold

[topaz schooner]

I hope its not the weaver currency LOL

[topaz schooner]

thats fat

[little temple]

super arena must have like 4-5 champions

im pretty sure a pile of gold = the gold you get from the echo reward, but not scaled up with corruption

[topaz schooner]

super arena is a woven echo, right?

[topaz schooner]

oh thats not good then nvm LOL

thats like 4k gold

[little temple]

i usually get 11k at 200 corrupt

[serene crane]

I think its super random? 😄

[little temple]

also there's this node that gives champ a 1% to drop a unique with lp

this looks mega bad unless im missing something

do we know what woven echo can be bought and drop only ?

[topaz schooner]

https://discordapp.com/channels/368953963267096586/480944555567349790/1360806588604223619

Read from there

[serene crane]

I wonder about this... too bad it doesnt work on harbringer loot I guess

[topaz schooner]

TLDR 31 of them can be bought but 5 are drop only

[meager fern]

0.3%

NOT THE WORST WE HAVE WORKED WITH

[little temple]

nice ty, so 3 of 4 crafting options can be bought

[topaz schooner]

of the 5 we know about, 1 is uber abb, the other is experiemental prison, and the other 3 could be anything but I'm guessing the attribute swap, and the LP reroller

[topaz schooner]

yep

the only one that you absolutely have to drop is the experimental

since it drops only from wizards

[little temple]

wow

that's massive then

[topaz schooner]

Well, also the attribute rerolling one might be drop only?

i'm not sure because the anvil icon doesn't seem to only be crafting option echoes

[little temple]

i hop they drop the favor cost for buying 1lp stuff so people buy it and reroll it

[topaz schooner]

also not all bosses have the big boss skull either

[little temple]

or else they're gonna be 500 gold again

[topaz schooner]

i don't play MG so i have no idea

[flint turret]

It doesn't???

[topaz schooner]

but I do know they added taxes

[little temple]

you get like 10k favor an hour, a 1lp item to buy costs 7k favor

[vapid arrow]

can be bought it looks like

[topaz schooner]

I have not seen this yet, that is pretty cool

[serene crane]

I doubt it... I mean the harbringer isnt really boss of the timeline 😄

[topaz schooner]

Oh sht we have all the echoes on LEtools?

[flint turret]

In what world you are getting 10k per hour

[vapid arrow]

indeed

[little temple]

i don't remember, i remember always having 120k

[vapid arrow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/endgame/monolith/woven-echoes

[flint turret]

It's around 3-5k per echo at semi-decent corr

[serene crane]

Either way, Ive liked atlas tree in PoE a lot and this weaver tree looks even cooler tbh, so we'll see 😄

[topaz schooner]

Ahh yeah the boss rush.

[little temple]

everyone take that node and farm the shit out of reign of winter echo

[topaz schooner]

that's a lot of lizards

[meager fern]

LELOGIN

[little temple]

1 unique per lizard any type btw

[flint turret]

Too bad phase point and row are from different timelines smh

[topaz schooner]

NOOOOOOOO

sadge

[meager fern]

rip

[topaz schooner]

they made the drop only ACTUALLY drop only

no rerolling

i was really hoping there was a chance of getting the drop only from the reweave

[little temple]

there's an echo with alot of champiuons though

those can spawn lizards

[topaz schooner]

you said they come from caches too right

:D

[little temple]

only at 30%

how many caches hmmm

[topaz schooner]

idk but buyable

this is sick

[vapid arrow]

quickens up the eye farming for sure

[little temple]

they might drop nothing and only the last guy drops something

[topaz schooner]

This woven echo is how you get the Countenance of Majasa, I think we pretty much assumed that, but it requires 300c to insert it sooo cant get it early @flint turret

also requires level 10 lol

[flint turret]

not really, i guess they will all be different types? so its not better than killing one only one you need

unless you need multiple different uniques from them

[topaz schooner]

You like this helmet, right Ragu?

[flint turret]

Who doesn't?

[topaz schooner]

Turns out its from a buyable woven echo at level 1

[flint turret]

Big

[topaz schooner]

100% chance to drop

huge

[flint turret]

Easy 2lp

[topaz schooner]

yep

[little temple]

what is that armor wow

[topaz schooner]

im blining for that lol

alright alright i wont spoil anymore of these

i'm fiending for LE

[little temple]

is decayed skull better ?

more armor btw and lower lp potential

[flint turret]

I don't see how it's better

[little temple]

int is nerfed so less ward, you get armor mitigation apply to dots

[topaz schooner]

that is busted but have you seen majasa shield? its nuts

now i know I wont have that for a while but still

[flint turret]

I would say int is whatever, but it actually has a purpose of matching the attunement on row

[little temple]

i usually use gloves for experimental dot mitigation, this can give me space to use immortal vise

only decayed skull max roll though, that roll range is so big

[flint turret]

Dots are nerfed by more than half

[topaz schooner]

Oh yeah dots got heavily nerfed that is true

[flint turret]

15% less everywhere+ 0.5 scaling from corruption

[topaz schooner]

the whole not starting at full ramp damage is so big

on top of the 0.5 and 15 less

yeah they'll be doing... a lot less damage to us

[little temple]

btw is chakram good enough to be back ?

i tried it during 1.0, it was bad

[flint turret]

It was never truly gone, but buffs to it are huge yeah

Damage wasn't really an issue, clearing was a bit tho

[little temple]

i did 1 planner for it, it seems to be insanely reliant on you getting the proper flat damage on your gear

[flint turret]

Well, for phys one yeah, but lightning has access to huge amounts of flat from body and helm

[topaz schooner]

i've never played non SD throwing builds, what are your thoughts on this?

[flint turret]

Meme

[topaz schooner]

iight

[little temple]

so there's this thing i've been thinking about , burning dagger

you can get potion drop chance from idols now, usually you only get it from ammy and belt

that sword can use flurry spam and then you throw a guaranteed crit burning dagger on boss

clearing is nonexistent ofc

maybe farm 10 uber aberoth eye and swap over

or use this unique and play burning dagger heartseeker

full set of potion idols will give you 300 flat throwing fire damage

then you use dragonsong to give your burning dagger flat crit chance

[topaz schooner]

this thing is kinda nice

[flint turret]

Yeah it gives huge ehp boost with the effect

Really huge

That's basically 100% endurance threshold if you drink all potions

[topaz schooner]

yep

on top of max healing you

on top of having 20% endurance

and lp3 not unobtainable

not bad either, its buyable at level 6

[rugged pollen]

and armor

[topaz schooner]

yep its the good belt base for armor

oh yeah and 14 vita too, why not!

[ocean hound]

Any humans here ?

[topaz schooner]

thats like.. t5 health roll for free? 84 health

[topaz schooner]

No we're all bots

[flint turret]

That's also necro and poison res

[rugged pollen]

basically me rn

[topaz schooner]

true holy sht i forgot how good vita was

[topaz schooner]

kinda true...

Im starting to think about what belt I would use over this one LOL

[flint turret]

The one for crit heal looks nice too

[rugged pollen]

basically if i need armor i'd go for this

[topaz schooner]

oh yeah that is a cool interaction ragu

[rugged pollen]

and if i need dodge i'd go for jq

and we're playing rogue now

[topaz schooner]

could cook some insane EHP ward stacking builds with that one

[rugged pollen]

so dodge is less of a problem

[topaz schooner]

how many people convert dodge to GB in 1.1?

I did that in 1.0 and 0.9 but I never really did the math on it, i just felt like it felt good to have gb lol

also silver shrouds are op

[flint turret]

Hopefully all falconers that stack 50 Ds for umbrals will

Would be funny at least

[little temple]

glancing convert is massive bait, you get alot of glancing from shroud already, and flat dodge will be wasted

[topaz schooner]

yeah makes sense. like I said I am not on any hill about GB, i just personally felt like it was nice to have some extra DR

[little temple]

maybe you should take it early on during early mono bossing if it guarantees 100% glancing

[topaz schooner]

it'd be max 85% glancing right

[flint turret]

With rogue getting more and more dodge options added, that passive becomes worse and worse by each patch

[topaz schooner]

true lol

dodge used to be pretty dog back in like 0.8

[little temple]

100% with glancing and armor bonus from shuriken is very nice, there's this dirt cheap set belt that give you 200 armor

[topaz schooner]

how many people use shuriken shield nowadays? LOL

[flint turret]

Dodge from hp idols for free, dodge from avoidance for fee, huge hybrid flat/% dodge affixes on idols

[topaz schooner]

thats prob something you havent heard someone say in a while

[little temple]

with merchant being available at lvl 1, this belt is insane to conbo with shuriken armor buff

[flint turret]

Mostly MM I guess, and my bet that most of hs players will go for it this time

[little temple]

i'm 100% buying this when i get shuriken

[topaz schooner]

oh wow you think so? that's good lol

I always loved shuri shield

[flint turret]

Even trikster goes for it with hs

[topaz schooner]

thats wild. absolutely NO ONE ran it back in 0.8. i literally found out about it from you

2 years ago or w/e it was

[flint turret]

It was 0.9

[little temple]

every rogue use it now no ?, except for chakram

[flint turret]

But yeah

Bladeshield fell of big time for bd when they changed smoke blades on smoke

Having 160 flat damage for free without any gear is hard to beat lol

[topaz schooner]

yep

[topaz schooner]

how did you find out about it back then? was it just because we had a dead slot in BD so you just fkd around with other skills to see where you can find extra util/surv?

[flint turret]

Now it's gonna shine with the new helmet

[flint turret]

I just didn't like the smoke back then, it was doing nothing while running monos/dungeons. All sd builds were using bladestorm with no explosions back then, so the gameplay was basically just running. No exiled mages, no nemesis, no reason to have smoke outside of dungeon/timeline boss

[topaz schooner]

i remember we labbed a ton of explodey vs no explodey and found out it was a massive increase to dps

[flint turret]

And if you wanted to do t4 julra you could just respec to smoke before going into a dungeon and max it by reaching a boss

[topaz schooner]

lol yep now one pack levels a skill to max at 800-1kc

[flint turret]

It's a massive increase but at a cost of worse mono running and huge mana consumption. And bladestorm wasn't nerfed back then for sd

[topaz schooner]

you mean when it shotgunned?

or overlapped i should say

[flint turret]

Now yeah, I don't see a reason not to use explosive

[flint turret]

I mean when you sync into throw

[topaz schooner]

i didnt know they nerfed that

[flint turret]

Ah, you mean what was nerfed? Read the bladestorm

Exploding wasn't touched

[topaz schooner]

yeah i mean bladestorm

it used to overlap

[flint turret]

It didn't

[topaz schooner]

i thought they specifically bug fixed it in 0.9

from 0.8 to 0.9 i swore the bladestorm overlapped and shotgunned extra SD procs

[flint turret]

Ah, dunno, I didn't play before 0.9

[little temple]

i don't think it did, i believe when you spawn 4 umbrals with your sync, the 4 umbral will hit once, so 4 times, then all the spin doesn't stack

i still remember the smokeweaver SD spinning meta, do nothing but shift through your mono

great time

[topaz schooner]

lmfao im trying to find an old build that talks about the nerf but

[flint turret]

Yeah I remember this shit

[topaz schooner]

wings

[little temple]

lmao wings

[flint turret]

And shield too

[topaz schooner]

bastion lmao

so funny

[flint turret]

Zdps gaming at it's finest

[topaz schooner]

holy i forgot how broken this was

[little temple]

you have bastion at home in 1.2, just gotta invest

unlimited range too

but you sacrifice glancing

[flint turret]

Corsair in 1.2 and majasa shield blows old bastion out of the water

[boreal walrus]

[topaz schooner]

actually lol

[little temple]

yeah corsair is the new bastion

majasa 3lp is so common holy

actually viable

[flint turret]

It's just the game changed and now you actually need damage because of mages/nemesis/harbs/etc instead of just running monos for obj completion

[topaz schooner]

yep not bad just need rank 10 in weavers or get lucky dropping it and get to 300c

[little temple]

just need 2lp and put it in the nemesis oven

[topaz schooner]

you can put 2lp in nemesis?

thought it had to be 0

[rugged pollen]

you can't

[topaz schooner]

BUT now we can put a 0lp in, if it doesn't pop out lp2 after round 2, take it, reset it to 0 lp, take it back to nemesis, rinse and repeat until lp2

or just farm majasa 500 times until an lp3 drops lol

[flint turret]

You can put any LP into lp woven gamba for it to either increase or go to 0

[little temple]

wait nem is 0 only ?

im pretty sure i made a 4lp peak during 1.1

[scenic otter]

You can only throw in a 0LP. But it CAN roll a 4lp from 0.

[wicked harbor]

Chakram build seems good but lack of aoe no ?

the chakram is so little 😦

[flint turret]

You can go phys chakram and scale it simultaneously with throwing cascade which has pretty good clear

rough, weaver idol blessings are x4-5 times more expensive then large idols blessing per item

[glass rampart]

Dose rogue go into marksmen?

[topaz schooner]

uhh yeah

[glass rampart]

Ty

[topaz schooner]

welcome to the best class channel

[glass rampart]

Lol see how it feels on controller after the update, if not back to spin to win I go

But hail of arrow bleed look very fun and I’m hyped to give it a try

[wicked harbor]

meeh wanted to do lightning and didnt want to switch skill to clear 😦

[tawdry gull]

Do '-Mana Cost for Throwing Skills' mod from rings affect Burning Daggers triggered from Cinder Strike and Heartseeker? Tooltip says 'consume mana', so I'm not quite sure

[scenic otter]

Consume mana isn't treated as mana cost last I checked, so no.

[tawdry gull]

Makes sense TY. In the other hand, it means that cinder strike triggering BD will still cost zero, so Sapping Strikes will work and actually generate mana

[scenic otter]

Correct.

[flint turret]

tried to put it with 1lp in a budget planner and it doesnt seem to work well. hard to add additional crit reduction and crit chance to compensate for avoidance bless and massive crit from peak

looks like more a lategame tech

much easier to flex it in later with new idols and abby relic

[ocean hound]

What are the rogue sub classes , marksmen falconer and ?

[scenic otter]

Bladedancer.

[ocean hound]

Thanks 🙏

[flint turret]

okay new even more budget friendly hs planner with no more than 1lp each item https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QeNMz5MB

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (63) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,057, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 149.44, Regen: 8.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 75 Dex / 11 Int / 23 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 74% / 70% / 72% / 94% / 75% / 75% / 80%
▸ EHP: 29,853 / 28,716 / 29,273 / 33,800 / 30,151 / 30,151 / 30,151

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 1,140
▸ Dodge Chance: 67% (3283)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,365)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 61%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 95%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical / Bow, Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (10/20), Bow Mastery (5/5), Concentration, Sharpshooter (10/10), Swiftness, Dusk Shroud (6), Frenzy, Haste

Used skills:

• Umbral Blades (20)
• Dark Quiver (22)
• Puncture (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Heartseeker (24)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Riverbend Grasp
• Mourningfrost
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Pearls of the Swine
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Peak of the Mountain
• Legacy of the Quiet Forest
• Reign of Winter
• Phase Point
• Throne of Ambition

[chrome wren]

1 in 7.4m for lp4 is that lmao

[serene crane]

Dont look at chances for 4LP Harbringer uniques...

BUT I got 4LP Riverbound gloves, so that might be useful 😄

[chrome wren]

ay yes 1 in 954m

[flint turret]

Love the guaranteed slam chance on 1lp so far. Makes budget planners much more reliable because you are guaranteed to get the item on the first try, rather then using exalts which might fail multiple times during crafting or slams with 25%

Big nerf to exalts tho

[serene crane]

Hmmmm, its kinda interesting... still beyond unrealistic but... harb uniques for 4LP are nearly 1 in 1b, buuuut Uberroth 4LP relic is 0.41b 🤔

[spark burrow]

did anybody cooked a heartseeker shadow daggers build ? using new unique helmet for auto heartseeker, scaling on thrown damage for HS and SD ?

[flint turret]

Well, you can spam harbs with glyphs while getting Abby woven echoes will be a pain in the ass I would assume

[scenic otter]

That would technically just be “current SD but with a new helm”

[spark burrow]

but u need to be marksman to use ravager's dart right ? At least for the auto heartseeker to work

[pearl summit]

I'll also be playing bleed hoa

[spark burrow]

apparently it doesnt require a bow anymore aswell

[scenic otter]

What you didn’t notice is that uniques that proc other skills don’t need you to be able to spec the skill.

Eg. Harbringer of stars

[spark burrow]

got u, so no point going marksman except for specific HS passives

still trying to figure out if I can play MM without bow, centered around shadow daggers and this helm

and be strong, ofc

[scenic otter]

If you want to all in for SD you’ll most likely still use a bow for puncutre SD

[cursive inlet]

think umbral is worth it over shuriken shield?

[flint turret]

I can try and come up with something but I don't really see a purpose. You don't really want flat fire damage for sd, and hs itself has limited benefit for sd. Bit if shrouds, bit of flat, bit if shred/fral and that's it

And helm doesn't give flat throw for anything outside of hs

[spark burrow]

casting punctures w auto hs

yeah doesnt look strong except being cool

[flint turret]

You need to actually kill something with it first. Gl with 0 crit

I mean you can use guaranteed crit on shift... But still doesn't sound all that good

[spark burrow]

yeah true, crit will be an issue, and its useless for sd so seems bad

[keen birch]

Anyone else where feel like the class specific idols+enchants are doodoo compared to the new 2x1/1x2/1x1 weaver idols?

I think ima be all pen idols on my HS build. Easy to prophesise 😄

[keen birch]

Cool looking cosmetic imo. But having to put points in puncture is not appealing.

[flint turret]

Hope so. My guess is that I should be able to sustain maybe 20+ dusk shrouds on bosses, and maybe 5-10 outside, so that's a nice chunk of damage for umbrals

Can always swap to shift so whatever

[spark burrow]

so no good use for a https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCsGYHZyA build ig 😦

would be awesome without the "You are limited to one active Heartseeker" affix tho

[flint turret]

The only okay-ish use for It I could come up with is to use it with a crit throwing cascade build. But still questionable. That 1hs limit makes the helm more or less a meme

Might be okay with chakram too

But if I vere to do either I would prefer a bd or falconer for it, not sure how hs justifies a terrible tree for anything that's not bow

[spark burrow]

I agree, but its quite sad imo

[flint turret]

What about it?

Because it's good?

Yes, and armor

[lone charm]

Hi Guys, is Acid Flask considered as a bow attack please to trigger mastery of Maksman ?

[scenic otter]

No that’s a throwing skill.

[flint turret]

Titan is the only 1lp body that gives good hp while being able to get t7 +skill on 1lp

Null potent is another option but c'mon, different lvl of budget

Personally I don't have a confidence that getting an exalted gorgod body with t7 hs and double hp suffixes is gonna be easier than 1lp titan, in fact, the opposite

[cursive inlet]

you realize t7 heartseeker + t5 flat + t5 % life is less hp than titan heart right

[flint turret]

Insert just buy a house meme.gif

[deft horizon]

Leveling questions, any reason to go to campaign act 7 if your able to do monos by act 3 ? 14/15 and 5/8 skillpoints/idols.

[spark burrow]

get skillpoints and idols slots asap, no point doing the end of campaign (+1 all attrib)

[cursive inlet]

it would have to be a double exalted life chest to be better than titan heart (in terms of hp)

[flint turret]

If it's gorgon or flat crit I would prefer exalted still, but it's much harder to get

[deft horizon]

Yea that’s what I’m saying, in seeing a lot of content creators, guide writers, say to get to act 7 and then go into monos. Just wanna make sure I’m not missing something if I go into monos by act 3

[cursive inlet]

so you went from "just use exalted with health" to "who cares about hp"

goalposts do be movin

[spark burrow]

previously u needed to unlock the faction map to be able to choose one and start farming favors in monos, from season 2 u can teleport there without doing previous maps

[cursive inlet]

but i mean ya if u dont care about hp just use a lp kestrel with heartseeker

[spark burrow]

ur prio should be get all passives/idols > choose ur faction > start monos

[cursive inlet]

thats only for alts no

[scenic otter]

You still do if it’s your first char of the cycle.

[spark burrow]

oh

well

guess rush act 7

[deft horizon]

So what’s the best bet?

[scenic otter]

It’s just that alt now don’t need to hit chap9 to be anle to reach the faction zones and can teleport from act1

[cursive inlet]

idols/passives by act 7, go monos until temp sanctum key, kill julra and go unlock

is what i'll do

[scenic otter]

You could if you just want levels, but you’ll going to need to go back and at least grabs the passives and idol slots

[spark burrow]

guess thats the way

[deft horizon]

Doesn’t doing dungeons give you 1 skill and 2 idol slots now

[flint turret]

Well, I do. I don't do zhp planners. My personal preference doesn't have to align with everyone else's

[deft horizon]

Doesn’t that mean we don’t have to go to 7? That’s kinda what I understood from notes

[cursive inlet]

it means you can skip an annoying idol + an annoying passive quest if you want

[deft horizon]

Making it better to go monos act 3 and then means your starting earlier to get a sanctum key ?

[cursive inlet]

not sure what those would be though

[scenic otter]

You’ll still need to go to 7 to be able to reach the entry to temporal, which will skip you to 9 and give you item faction access.

[cursive inlet]

probably ruined coast

[deft horizon]

Will with the new key system, you just make sure you have one of each, grab the charm that takes you to boss room

[deft horizon]

Ah I see

That’s what I was trying to see

[spark burrow]

well u still need to be able to clear the mono too

which shouldnt be a problem by the time u reach act 7

not sure act 3

[deft horizon]

Did a run, UB falconer was chillin

Lvl 31

[spark burrow]

yeah cause shadow daggers is god

[deft horizon]

Just felt insanely efficient going early, but if I need to do act 7 nonetheless

For faction stuff

[spark burrow]

yeah unlock faction asap no matter what

[deft horizon]

Yea no argument there

[spark burrow]

get ur points/idols from where u want ig

[deft horizon]

Guess I do another practice run to 7 lol

[vapid arrow]

7? isn't it 5 where you unlock temporal sanctum through the sidequest?

The sapphire tablet quest

[abstract token]

Act 5 is temporal unlock correct

I don't know where all this act 7 stuff is coming from

[scenic otter]

Was it 5?

Honestly I forgot, 5-8 acts are damn fast.

[eternal heron]

someone posted a guide to act 7 on reddit yesterday

saying that was ideal way to progress at start of cycle

[little temple]

faction unlocks at lvl 1 no ?

[eternal heron]

but yeah go to act 5 for sanctum unlock -> monos -> sanctum -> back half of act 9

easily the way to go

[little temple]

MG gonna have a great time with people listing uniques at lvl 20-40

[eternal heron]

no one will have mg at level 20

[little temple]

everyone will

it's unlocked at lvl 1 now

[eternal heron]

no

for alts

[dark forge]

can this be any good?

[little temple]

god damn it i need to read the patchnote again

there's no wording about alt, it has to be for all

[eternal heron]

you can check with mike if you want but i'm confident

[naive holly]

Don’t the factions reps not appear in the camp until you’ve progressed to Mejelka in campaign?

[eternal heron]

it doesn't say they added the ability to join a faction in keepers camp for everyone

[naive holly]

If so, I think you still need one character to make it that far to join

[little temple]

yeah it could be understood that way

[eternal heron]

it says if you join a faction in keepers camp (something which is only available to alts right now) then it unlocks the waypoint

[eternal heron]

i am 10000% sure that if factions were being changed the way you describe it would be made explicit in the text of the patch notes instead of being something you have to infer

[little temple]

i did hear about them talking about this issue then mentioning alts

[eternal heron]

mike also answered a question the day before patch notes went up saying that these were end of campaign features

anyway if it turns out we can start building rep at level 1 i'll be pleasantly surprised but i really wouldn't expect it personally

[little temple]

building rep at lvl 1 won't matter much, they scale off exp value anyway

i just want it for cheap sets early on

there's this belt with 260 armor and 35% increased armor on it, crazy value

[eternal heron]

eh i take everything i can get

[little temple]

alot of items lose value if you cant buy it for leveling

[eternal heron]

yeah that's fine

not everything needs to be valuable

[brazen yacht]

Torch is giga on everything

[little temple]

i think i got the idea of MG open instantly because i heard a video where they said you won't have to deal with people asking for waypoint anymore

[scenic otter]

That's because currently even if you get to join the faction early with an alt, it doesn't unlock the waypoint.

[eternal heron]

yeah it's silly rn

[little temple]

i'm betting that they will unlock at lvl 1

more fun that way

[scenic otter]

The wording will probably be different if so honestly. The patch notes doesn't say anything about the NPC's spawns.

[spark burrow]

I doubt they will cause it suppose to unlock cof aswell for equity

[little temple]

yeah it should have been different

the wording doesn't help my case at all

[boreal walrus]

[hexed berry]

are you all playing heartseeker? was reading patch notes and RIP dive bomb falconer I guess? :< or is it still viable?

[spark burrow]

BBC LM is the way

[spark burrow]

still viable for me, dunno whats ur priority tho

might go umbral blade falc if u want strong overall build

[hexed berry]

dunnow nerfed cool down hits hard I guess 10% instead of 20%, and over all damage effectiveness nerfs

[spark burrow]

bossing wont feel that good but still doable

[hexed berry]

razortails nerfed aswell. I am being paranoid after all these years playing poe 😄

[serene crane]

It'll still be dumb strong, dont worry about that 😄

[hexed berry]

hmm

[spark burrow]

its still 6M + dps according to maxroll

[hexed berry]

now I am quite torn between dive bomb falconer vs bleed hdin :S

[spark burrow]

u are too used to poe nerf = forget this forever

[serene crane]

Or try something new? 😛

[hexed berry]

both would be new to me to be honest

[spark burrow]

become a furry and go primalist

[hexed berry]

two-hand shield forge guard looks fun aswell > look at all the possibilities

[serene crane]

Or... go full shurikens, get swords, increased bleed chance per sword, bleed chance for shuriken, low shift cdr, shuriken armor.... basically hammerdin, but different?

[hexed berry]

with shuriken armour we need rune words like chaos to get a whirlwind like skill for the rogue 😛

[serene crane]

There is channeled shadow cascade, buuuuut its stupidly locked behind the node that turns it into throw daggers (no more cool melee spins) and costs like 50mana per second iirc 😄 so I really hope this gets some big rework in next patch

[cobalt mantle]

It's pretty easily sustainable if you want to do that, before I knew atropos had a lowish stack limit, I was planning on trying that

[serene crane]

Is it? 🤔 I mean, Ragu has told here about Dread trying it with traversal smoke with clone consumption for mana, so I guess... I more meant it like you could spin for some decent amount of time with the melee cascade

[hexed berry]

for 'standard' dive bomb build it is the way of following ActionRPG's tool planner as like maxroll with explosive trap + dive bomb + falconry + shift + smoke bomb? I wonder why they get rid of aerial assault for this type of build? I know there is one with umbral blades + razortails + aerial assault

[serene crane]

Just nbeed to make it somewhat interesting so its not just stationary warpath on rogue 😄

[cobalt mantle]

Yeah, it's base 40 mana per second; -mana cost for throwing attacks applies to it and so does foot of the mountain

so it's 28 per second with foot and two -3 cost sealed rings

[nova tide]

It´s way higher than 6M dps

[serene crane]

Ye that sounds quite good 🤔 long time ago I used to play a bit with channeled flurry, mountain boots and the og bastion 😄

[flint turret]

Anything related to dive or aa that doesn't have razorfall in it, is not standard in any way

Even if you don't spec umbrals, you still use them for midnight aviary damage stacking for dive

[hexed berry]

was more refering to a build with talons of valor, and blast rain

[flint turret]

Doesn't matter. Talons want to have umbrals too

They don't have to be specced

[serene crane]

Im still waiting for some int stacking fire staff falconer

[flint turret]

I was thinking about int stacking hs but that limit of 1hs on throwing helm killed it on the spot

[hexed berry]

hmm found some planners without Midnight Aviary+Umbrals using smoke bomb with smoke blades, and umbral assault tho

[nova tide]

I think umbral blades is fine I would have to model true AA/second but meh too lazy for that

[flint turret]

I'm sure you did, but there is no real reason not to use razorfall in any build centered around dive/aa

Mourningfrost can be decent, but it has downsides unlike razor

[hexed berry]

most of them only use dive

[nova tide]

this multi is a bit too crazy

[celest plinth]

if heartseeker gives you a burning dagger, do you throw them? would that proc this?

other than this node looks like only one thing in the cinderstrike skill tree would affect the burning daggers from heartseeker.

[scenic otter]

It wouldn't interact with this.

[hexed berry]

do we get another passive point? I am quite confused. clicked through the exact same passive tree as on maxroll on lastepochtools, and I have an unspent passive point oO

[scenic otter]

You should have 114.

[celest plinth]

so, it would just be the bit of damage from the burning dagger circling you?

[flint turret]

It's not, if falconer stacking on dive didn't exist

And hs with dusk stacking is being added

[scenic otter]

And if you have pillager's gold it'll do actual damage.

[tepid anchor]

hail of arrows

again

like an idiot

[hexed berry]

then the calcs are buggy, because it is 113 on both maxroll, and lastepochtools

[tepid anchor]

and most likely rerolling to a necro because the easy life entices me

[hexed berry]

was thinking lazer lich with stygian coal, but the mana sustain hurts

[scenic otter]

Hm? Do you get your first point at lv 2 or 3 again?

[hexed berry]

I have no actual clue, I am just confused because old planner somehow show 112 points oO

[sick ivy]

i'm still not too sure pillagers gold is fixed. i tested it back in 1.1 and it was bugged the dmg didn't scale with the increased chance to find potions-affix. and i tried to look for a patch note of it being fixed but couldn't find one

[nova tide]

but it does exist

and is buffed

as we get +1 shadow haha

[flint turret]

Yeah, I'm not trying to justify the lack of nerfs for AA umbrals, it's broken by far

The umbrals itself and that node in particular are not tho, because it's okay on bd

[nova tide]

oh yeah I know

something interesting is that full stacking dex is actually not worth on AA Umbrals

you actually only want enough to activate red rings

crit multi / % dmg / added throwing all give more damage

[flint turret]

Crit multi is naturally high from tongue+lirakas, in case of bow, yeah it's a nice addition. % damage is naturally high from ucenui, added throwing damage should already be maxed

[deft horizon]

Whats a endgame AA umbral falconer look like?

currently following the maxroll lvling rogue guide

[flint turret]

Can look different depending on which path you choose

Bow or dw, crit or sd

Cold or phys

[nova tide]

i think you def go bow but i could be wrong

[boreal walrus]

[deft horizon]

Really you dont think DW would be better? especially with the new mace unique and a kris?

[nova tide]

I'll try to calc it

problem is melee crit multi does nothing for umbral

[flint turret]

High-end bow wins just because of more ds stacks

Not-so high end, who cares, it will clear 2k+ easily anyway

[maiden gale]

since burning dagger nodes all say they 'consume mana' to give you a burning dagger, throw damage rings wouldnt lower the cost right?

[nova tide]

it's really hard to calculate because of DS stacks but yeah

2x traitor's tongue with crit multi + cold damage should be very close to Talon + quiver

but yeah talon should win overall slightly

[scenic otter]

Correct.

[tender burrow]

anyone here starting with heartseeker?

[pseudo phoenix]

dw still carries the benefit of being able to have something like traitor's tongue in the offhand to offset the crit conversion nerf on falcon

the falcon melee damage stacking from the bow does seem impossible to beat at the high end

[tulip compass]

how does ballista scales with INT but the scaling tags only have DEX ?

[pseudo phoenix]

there's a node in the skill tree

[tulip compass]

also, does ballista benefits from (bow damage) ?

[pseudo phoenix]

also, does anyone know if dusk should generation on divebomb shadows is still bugged?

[flint turret]

What exactly?

It works fine with main dive converted to shadow dive. Without it, no so

[pseudo phoenix]

ah ok so the main dive MUST be converted

[flint turret]

Yeah I dunno if bug or feature

[pseudo phoenix]

kind of lame but what can you do

[flint turret]

At least it prevents even more resets

[pseudo phoenix]

i think turning it into shadow would kill AA reset yeah

[flint turret]

Because animation cancel doesn't work with shadow dive

But it's still 24 dusk per dive lol

[pseudo phoenix]

given the dw conversion to divebomb damage nerfs, using shadow falcon to go all in on the umbral dusk shroud bonus seems to be the play

[flint turret]

Yeah

And almost not nerfed at all

Might considered even buffed if we factor in +1 shadow affix

[deft horizon]

wait so melee crit multi doesnt get applied to Shadow daggers?

[pseudo phoenix]

yes to shadow daggers, no to umbrals

[flint turret]

Ofc it does, throwing does too

[nova tide]

unless I'm missing a passive on the calc somewhere

I'm getting that fully focusing on umbral is quite a bit more dps than grabbing falconry and going more split

[deft horizon]

oh but who cares about umbrals?, isnt umbrals whole point of power is because it applies SD

[nova tide]

not anymore

[deft horizon]

Lethal darkness???

[flint turret]

It wasn't the case ever. Sd is just carrying you to 1000 corr in 0lp gear, the you swap to crit when you want more damage and get some gear

[deft horizon]

IM so confused right now. Umberal blades the skill was never strong, its power was always behind shadow daggers?

[serene crane]

btw not sure If you found something about it, but respeccing weaver tree nodes will cost those memory ambers, idk how much, Mike said its not much unless you plan to respec a lot and dont know how to efficiently get them 😄

[flint turret]

Bro

[nova tide]

Umbrals, if you scale crit and cold damage hit incredibly hard

AA dropping umbrals + Razorfell means you can get so many out

[flint turret]

If you stack ds*

[nova tide]

and if oyu stack ds haha yeah

[pseudo phoenix]

they fixed a node on divebomb that helps generate a lot of dusk shrouds which makes one of the umbral nodes go crazy, that get stacked with 300% cold damage from ucenuis to turn umbral into main damage engine

oh and razorfall yeah

[deft horizon]

oh i see

[pseudo phoenix]

8% more damage per shroud doubled in smoke or something

[flint turret]

Dunno about fixed tho, it worked differently?

[pseudo phoenix]

back when SD was king falconer either didn't exist or the birds aren't real node didn't work

turning it into the shadow falcon nuked your damage to nothing for the longest time

[deft horizon]

yea i was just thinking early on, shadow daggers is so powerful because you just scale crit multi and increased phys, since it requires no investment in crit chance

but i see what you guys are saying

[pseudo phoenix]

so even if it was making the dusk shroud generation work it wasn't worth

[flint turret]

It still does nuke your dive damage to the ground

[pseudo phoenix]

i remember them putting out a fix for that, for some reason

[nova tide]

after the latest round of falcon nerfs

I'm not sure dive bomb dmg particularly matters

umbral outpaces it

by quite a bit

if my math is right

[pseudo phoenix]

your math might not be accounting for the actual rate of divebomb resetting that can be achieved but i would not consider dive reset necessarily to be a legit playstyle

[nova tide]

well that's the thing

you can reset AA way faster than dive bomb

and even faster

if you go explosive trap instead of falconry

can't you?

or are you talking aobut the dive bomb bug

you would have to cast so many more dive bombs than AAs before it beats umbrals but I'll recheck the math when I get home

[pseudo phoenix]

my divebomb rotation is overshooting aberroth HP by 30% in about 6 seconds, I just don't see umbrals hitting that level for anything

but i could very well be wrong

[flint turret]

#🔪┃rogue message

i dont have a planner at hands but i remember it being nothung super crazy

[rugged pollen]

can you find footage of him fighting shade?

[flint turret]

tehre is in this video no?

[rugged pollen]

i tried watching like 10minutes some of his video but couldnt find one

iirc there werent

[pseudo phoenix]

I wouldn't have doubted it's corr climbing ability but this still leaves me curious about burst damage potential

[rugged pollen]

let me rewatch

[pseudo phoenix]

there's a shade fight

https://youtu.be/esB2xE51aDI?si=tvMX9DJSej3aKPkg&t=510

[flint turret]

i mean... 10k harbinger died in 15 seconds, seems like a good burst lol

[serene crane]

So much heretical talk here 😦

[pseudo phoenix]

i really don't have the patience for climbing, my highest corr is still 1600 something in beta

i didn't see the harbinger

[flint turret]

last day of heretical talk for me tho until 1.3

[pseudo phoenix]

his aberroth is probably fine on umbrals lmao

putting all the damage onto umbrals also makes it a better clear build than a hybrid one would be

i wonder if it'll be so dominant in the meta they'll have to do something

[serene crane]

Could just play the Event Horizon bladedancer oneshotting Aberroth soooo... BD > Falconer?

[silent relic]

Is there a version of this that doesn’t use a macro lol

[rugged pollen]

ok so it was a slow fight

i was expecting it to be a quick fight

[nova tide]

unless something is wrong let me know

[pseudo phoenix]

i was not going to judge the shade fight because while i don't remember specifics I do remember there being some peculiar stuff about either shade hp or shade resist scaling

[nova tide]

that is 10k corruption though lol

[junior oriole]

they fixed Event Horizon buff last patch itself...so now you need to get that buff in aberroth's room...not so easy

[pallid lake]

what is "AA umbrals"?

[nova tide]

Umbrals spawned by Aerial Assault

[pallid lake]

oh

[flint turret]

Beta test for falconer season 4

Cbt+1.0+1.1+1.2

[pseudo phoenix]

this does seem really good, i was never contesting general umbral supremacy

#🔪┃rogue message

i almost forgot about the forbidden reset tech i unlocked

[rugged pollen]

unless they fixed it already, shade start reverse scaling at 10k corruption

[serene crane]

I have made some ultra potato Bo staff stacking bleed with Maehlin and stacking int Falconer

[flint turret]

Lol that's almost exactly what I thought about too

[serene crane]

Just no idea what would feel better... could be nice with Cinder Strike? 😄 Flurry for edgy points or just throw shurikens by yourself

[flint turret]

Aergon staff was another option I considered

[flint turret]

I was thinking more about fire trap flask

[clever tinsel]

how's heartseeker looking compared to umbral AA falconer?

[junior oriole]

Haven't seen anything that suggests Marksman can compete with falconer...and umbral AA is getting slightly nerfed this season.

[scenic otter]

If a mastery can compete with falconer, then EHG would be terrible at balancing.

At least now marksman is better than it was before.

[junior oriole]

The other thing with AA falconer was you were constanly moving while doing damage so you could survive high corruption easily. If you gotta stop to fire heartseeker...that becomes dangerous

which is why the cold HoA was my favourite MM build..you stopped once to twice to fire black arrow/HoA and then get moving for the next 6-7 secs

[boreal walrus]

[flint turret]

There is a chance that mm will permastun every boss with the new quiver

[junior oriole]

They already said petrify has low chance on bosses

[flint turret]

It doesn't say anywhere that petrify doesn't work on bosses

But how low tho?

And if stun duration works on it

[scenic otter]

According to the other unique that does it:

[flint turret]

ah

yeah rip then

[junior oriole]

yeah they were talking about that shield when karv said don't expect to petrify bosses too much

And he even said that the shield is too powerful and will get nerfed in Season 3

so how does the crystal wind buff work with heartseeker arrow? does each recurve get the buff or only the first one?

[flint turret]

By following multihit skills like lm logic - every

On practice, who knows

[junior oriole]

and the procced punctures from heartseeker arrow get it too?

[flint turret]

no, its a different skill

[junior oriole]

😦

[native wedge]

Hey so I’m kinda a newb. If Heartseeker procs puncture will that puncture gain the benefits from puncture skill tree in its entirety?

[vapid arrow]

yes, but there's a lot of nodes that say "directly using puncture", which won't get procced through triggers

[terse jolt]

one of my two ideas for this season

well...

part of one my two ideas

was going for triple fire type

(so cinder strike for attack, flame bow for spell and daggers/dart for throw)

[chrome wren]

How easy is it to respec from one build to another mid season? Assuming you'd have to farm the gear

[native wedge]

Good to know! Thanks!

[flint turret]

Easier than it has ever been with upcoming changes in 1.2

[serene crane]

Definitely far from good I guess, buuut it should probably work out... 😄 could definitely swap the skills for something else, idk
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZ6V1bjB

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (38) / Bladedancer (16) / Falconer (59)

General:

▸ Health: 2,510, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 106.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 254%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 42 Dex / 127 Int / 3 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 80% / 91% / 90% / 80% / 69% / 109%
▸ EHP: 10,723 / 10,723 / 10,723 / 14,927 / 10,723 / 10,116 / 10,723

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 502
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (625)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 57% (3,918)
▸ Block Chance: 20%, Mitigation: 27% (550)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 90%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Throwing, Melee, Bow

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (20/20), Searing Blades (16), Haste

Used skills:

• Cinder Strike (23)
• Shift (20)
• Shurikens (20)
• Explosive Trap (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)

Used unique items:

• Jasper's Searing Pride
• Maehlin's Hubris
• Pillager's Gold
• Blood of the Exile
• Dominance of the Tundra
• Pearls of the Swine
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Throne of Ambition

[flint turret]

very low on more multies. might consider umbral aa for ignite

the thing is, new sword alreasdy gives 33% all resis pen for free

and you can use bleed per sword affixes\passives

so staff again doesnt make sense

sadge

[serene crane]

ah the Weaver's sword 🤔 ye could definitely do something better, but the point was to use staff for the int fire pen stacking 😄

[flint turret]

yeah i know and i want to make something decent out of it too, but every time i look into it it makes no sense with that we have currently

maybe if we had something like dex=int staff

[serene crane]

and why does it not count for ignite...? 😄

[flint turret]

doesnt matter really, its not you gonna stack WW items for it

leech dot and pene is great tho

[serene crane]

on my dual sword bleed Ds I have about 770% bleed chance, whiiich works quite nice just for Shift=>Shuriken in mobs, idk about pen for bleed... but could be similar to this ignite thing

[flint turret]

new set ring affix is nice too

[serene crane]

ngl full WW build would be cool sadly still missing few gear slots for WW item...

[flint turret]

well, 1.2 is the patch of high lp lvl items, the rest falls off hard

[serene crane]

Oh nice, so somewhat better than this.... eeeeehhh could easily slam t7 int on this... 2lp is quite common so health too I guess

[flint turret]

unless they change something about the new guarantee slam system

[flint turret]

yeah almost the same but not limited to melee

[serene crane]

But 113 int with minimal rolls... 226% fire pen just from this 🤔 CS is now 100% fire too+other CS buffs, should be alright 😄

But idk, I feel like this just should be in Rogue, not a mastery, kinda same with the follow up node? Flurry attack speed would be quite cool, just need some bleed spear unique and it could be cool as a new bleed bladedancer... with spear 😄

[flint turret]

Definitely a lot to expand upon

Skil sigils might change a game completely

[serene crane]

Sierpin for bleed spear I guess? But I dont think melee crit strike multi would count to Salt the Wound... meanwhile there are like 3 poison spears aaaand Bane of Winter could be great If it got reworked into some Bd skill, so it would convert like bleed into boosted timerot, idk... 😄

[flint turret]

Or not, if they are gonna be simply like poe2 support gems with "more" increases

[flint turret]

Yeah you would need generic crit like tongue or rainbow implicits

[serene crane]

Hard to say I guess, my bet it'll be like poe support gems that you can swap around... I hope for some full conversions for skills, I just want void Dancing Strikes

[serene crane]

OK ye.... would be just better to get some exalted spear, sad 😄

[flint turret]

I haven't thought much about poison dot before watching the trikster hs vid, and that node in HS looks really strong. Armor shred into poison chance

[serene crane]

Oh ye that might be cool 🤔 and poison conversion in Puncutre got moved so you dont have to take the +15mana node 😄

[celest plinth]

How would this work with the cinder strike node that summons burning daggers for 8 mana? does the burning dagger count as the skill for the mana cost or cinder strikes?

[scenic otter]

Burning daggers doesn't give cinder strike a mana cost as it's "Consume Mana", so mana warp works.

[tulip compass]

does ballista inherit all offensive stats i have on my gear

[glossy mortar]

With 3/3 points in Shared Enhancements it takes 75% of your damage modifiers. It would be nice to get a more specific list or what that means, but I've noticed that certainly added flat damage is inherited and % increased damage modifiers are also inherited.

[vapid arrow]

not sure about the question, but ballista are minions, so they gain minion tagged stuff. so increases to minion bow damage, increased minion damage and such

[tulip compass]

Ballista is not considered a minion in Last Epoch.

⸻

Why It Matters:

Ballista is a player-scaled construct, meaning:
• It does not scale with:
• Minion Damage
• Minion Crit Chance / Crit Multi
• Minion Health, Attack Speed, etc.
• It does scale with your own offensive stats (when using the right Falconer passive nodes), including:
• Weapon damage (your bow)
• Flat damage, attack speed, crit chance
• Bow damage modifiers
• Physical or elemental damage, depending on your setup

Ballista has the “Minion” tag in its scaling tags

…but it does not behave like traditional minions.

⸻

What the “Minion” Tag Actually Means in This Case:

The “Minion” tag on Ballista means that:
• It is a summoned entity (like minions), and
• It does not use your own skills directly (you summon it to attack on its own),
• So it interacts with certain mechanics like minion targeting rules, AI behavior, and summon limits.

BUT — it does not scale with generic minion stats by default.

what chatgpt says

[serene crane]

Once I asked ChatGPT for a build to another game and it just invented very non-existant skills and passives... 😄

[scenic otter]

I really hope you're not taking chatgpt seriously.

[glossy mortar]

Yea, that was really confusing to read. None of it is accurate right?

[scenic otter]

Ballista is a minion with ways to copy a percentage of your stats and make it as its own, similar to the falcon.

[serene crane]

Maybe when you spec to Falconer, YOU become the minion and falcon/ballista becomes the main character (so the chatGPT works as said above?)

[tulip compass]

[flint turret]

Ask it if endurance is bad

[serene crane]

Could you try asking it If it could write how many points you should put into nodes in Ballista skill tree for that build? 😄 I bet it'll write you a list of half non-existant nodes and some innacurate x/x points 😄

[scenic otter]

We don't need more endurance discourse!

[flint turret]

Why not? It's one of the funniest topics. Everyone go radio silent after math drops

[scenic otter]

Mostly because I don't want to deal with it again

[flint turret]

Oh well

[tulip compass]

does snapshotting work with ballista?

[flint turret]

Next time I'll join the anti-endurance camp, I promise, I do have a good point against it which no one brings up for some reason

[scenic otter]

Ragu no! Don't join the dark side!

[flint turret]

I was on that side from the beginning kekw. If you scroll long enough I was advocating not to do it at first

[scenic otter]

[serene crane]

Just get more damage.... no point getting endurance when you can just kill anything without them ever touching you

[lime folio]

endurance is love, endurance is life

[serene crane]

it should be the enemies that should get endurance, not you

[flint turret]

Nop, not that one. It shares suffix slot, so no damage alternative there for the most part

[serene crane]

Silly Ragu... then leave the slot free, putting defences there only shows weakness

[flint turret]

Bro I already have a video with falconer 0lp and basically yellow tier gear at 1000 corr online, I have the strength to admit my weakness and go ethical non zhp builds instead

[scenic otter]

🤣

[flint turret]

Zhp builds are the true weakness, you are afraid to face the enemy or yourself

[serene crane]

Wowo, pulling the no-u uno card out of nowhere

[tulip compass]

does zhp ballista have more damage output than crow storm build?

[flint turret]

What, you have like 70% dodge on your lm and 2.5 hp, that's not zhp

[serene crane]

Oh yeah, right 😄

I'd like to get to 85% but thats probably a f-ton a lot...

[flint turret]

Having t7 dodge ammy helps a lot

[wide yacht]

how much int do you aim for at LL anyways?

harder than it looks if i'm not using that damn strength axe

[flint turret]

I have doubts that stacking int on rogue is still viable

[serene crane]

I'll maybe put t5 on rings, idk... other than that, hardly any, I go full smooth brain

[flint turret]

Stacking idols looks more promising

[meager fern]

to stack them we need to first drop them with above average rolls preferably

[flint turret]

Well, mg removes that need

Cof prophecies help too, but they are quite expensive for new idols

Stacking those would be huge

[raven agate]

spoilers lol

[flint turret]

[serene crane]

smh those idols look crazy... 😄 I guess that health on kill shouldnt really be too big issue 🤔

LL LM black blade lets go

[flint turret]

Dunno, it might become a bit of an issue, but it doesn't affect bosses so it's not that big of a deal

[wide yacht]

huh, so full dex with idols? that would be a plan yea

how hard are they to get is the question

[flint turret]

Well, I did use shackles in addition to them just because cold res gets converted into cold pen with hs, but I'd say yeah, an approach without shackles or cleaver looks perfectly fine now

As for idols rarity that's a valid concern, but ll rogue was always high budget, so I guess that's unchanged

[serene crane]

Just getting those will be fun 😄

[clever tinsel]

debating between warpath and umbral falconer, played falconer in 1.0 and it was fun

[flint turret]

Overall max hp got buffed, retention idols got huge buff, flat dodge got buffed, guaranteed slam on twisted heart, so I'd say that's a win for LL rogue overall

Shackles got buffed too with new idols, you can get small ones with 9 retention+12 cold res, that's 15 retention from 1 idol slot, crazy

[serene crane]

Hmmmm, I guess for the LL I'll stick to Erased relic with +4 to LM, maybe try getting another +4LM to slam to 1LP Heart and keep that until I get 1LP Uberroth relic 🤔

[meager fern]

🤔 I doubt I'll kill ubby unless I roll some proper broken build, that guy prolly gonna have alot of heavy hitters that dgaf about block

[wide yacht]

already settled on going ll rogue knowing that, yea - while peeps like flick are trying to make hybrid health/ward work, i wish him luck because it would be insane if he makes it work ngl

my next step is considering mana, how much CDR to allocate for the sake of dancing strikes (because they refuse to make the damn change it needs) without ruining the build

does shuriken count as "melee" damage if you use it as armour hovering around you, by any chance?

[flint turret]

More than double t5 might be rough on affix budget

[flint turret]

Nah )

[wide yacht]

yeah, as far as i've tested, to half the base CD of dancing strikes (down to 0.3s), making it twice as fast, you need about 90% which is insane

[flint turret]

That's more than double t7

[wide yacht]

it is double opal, cdr helmet and T7 yes

[serene crane]

What LL are you going for? 😄

[wide yacht]

you might need the 5% CDR on idols if there's no T7, but then what about my precious ward?

[flint turret]

Not using legendary in every slot possible is illegal in 1.2

[wide yacht]

BD, my beloved

[serene crane]

I mean, sync cascade stuff?

[topaz schooner]

Dont get it twisted, hs wont even be comparable to that broken sht. We are playing hs not because its optimal but becsuse its not a falconer

[wide yacht]

dancing strikes centric build with cascade yeah, with little time and not much effort done i managed to tackle 700-800 corr with a pure melee build around it before feeling harsh limits

[flint turret]

I can try making ll planner for it if you post a passive/skill tree, we can see what we can get

[wide yacht]

i have now an insane goal of making a DS centric build, that is still melee, reach 2k corruption

[topaz schooner]

I was afraid of that. Its so fkn hard to replace peak on crit builds. but i know ill enjoy that helmet on my electrocute pally :)

[serene crane]

700-800c with Ds is still cool 😄 Im trying to put some LL LM with Black Blade, but idk what exactly to really prioritize

[novel rune]

what am i gonna put on helmet slot for erasing strike VK tho, as unique

[wide yacht]

yeah i'm working on mine rn, i'll send it to you here once i feel good about trying my best to make it at least be realistic

we're talking about a 29 skill points dancing strikes here after all, i'm trying to preserve the utility and defensive of DS while being able to play around triggered cascade

which obviously requires a lot of points

[flint turret]

Nah it's okay, but with a slightly bigger budget. On 1lp planner its not optimal, or at least I'm failing to make it so

[topaz schooner]

You still have to be a mm to get hs 💀

[carmine granite]

what happened to hearthseeker build? is not viable for endgame ?

[serene crane]

rip the falconer Hs dream

wdym what happened to the Hs build? Its not even out yet

[topaz schooner]

They really should make the helmet provide hs

[wide yacht]

LM is also a whole beast to tackle in this damn specialization, i feel you

[topaz schooner]

Its a big enough limitation i dont think skipping 50 passives is that big of a deal

[wide yacht]

EHG didn't feel like helping us this season alas

[meager fern]

rogue is just bad, play VK or shaman for real endgame goodness

[wide yacht]

no changes to BD whatsoever, only the playground changed

[flint turret]

Imagine if they nerfed(fixed) snapshotting sc and double hit from sync

[celest plinth]

Bees on acid flask and acid flask buffing bees with poison chance is a meme right? No way that could actually be effective?

[wide yacht]

i mean just delete BD at that point LUL

[serene crane]

I think it just works from the one video Ive seen using it 😄

[serene crane]

@flint turret sorry I guess I ping you 😄 not what I currently have slammed, but what I could pretty much get... got Erased relic with +4LM but I could just slam heart with +4LM

• got 2x 2LP Somnia, but only t6 Ward on Shadow creation, which is kinda whatever... but with LM generating shadows quite often it should be pretty nice, then I could go for more health/crit avo+dodge/resists
• Nihilis I would have to get another 1PL with +2 since all my current ones have only +1 also whatever with the amount of Aberroth eyes I have... but I should have maybe some Nemesis-slammed ones, dont remember 🤔
• Black Blade - got plenty of 1LP with good rolls probably, so t7 %light dmg is the best I guess... hopefully I get lucky with some 2LP rerolls in 1.2
• got 2x 3LP Exsa so thats definitely t7 LM aaand could try getting t5 ward on shadow+health//double health; got plenty of 2LP Exsans...
• got several 2/3LP Uleros belts, so i guess t7 cdr to get low cd on Shift+Smoke should be good... then maybe hybrid life/%light dmg/resists if needed or mana regen (?)
  https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Brdy97ZA

[sharp raven]

Bladedancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (31) / Bladedancer (60) / Marksman (5) / Falconer (17)

General:

▸ Health: 2,657, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 134.1, Regen: 11.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 47%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 62 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 93% / 75% / 86% / 75% / 72% / 70%
▸ EHP: 12,152 / 12,152 / 12,152 / 13,135 / 12,152 / 11,798 / 11,573

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 531
▸ Dodge Chance: 62% (2780)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (832)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 31%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Lightning, Physical / Melee, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ Perfection (10/8), Haste

Used skills:

• Lethal Mirage (27)
• Shift (23)
• Synchronized Strike (23)
• Umbral Blades (23)
• Smoke Bomb (23)

Used unique items:

• Somnia
• Exsanguinous
• Black Blade of Chaos
• Boulderfists
• Chains of Uleros
• Last Steps of the Living
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Nihilis
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Gambit of an Erased Rogue

[serene crane]

• for rings I was thinking about either Erased rings (but getting any with good rolls, idk...) or 1LP Julra (only got 1x2LP) with probably t7 dex as some big boss bursts, but Nomad actually looks really great for big life, resists, also got 4x 3LP and plenty of 2LPs
• 3LP Boulderfists (so it negates life leech from LM tree) with t7 experimental life=>ward, the rest like dex, crit avo+dodge/hybrid health/health
• got several 2LP Last Steps, so again t7 cdr for shift/smoke; movement speed/hybrid health... but Id say cdr would be the best
• Relic for now is Erased with +4LM, could get +4LM Heart which would be huge for life=>ward, later on I guess Uberroth relic with 1LP +4LM If that hopefully drops 😄
• Idols would be kinda like that for some time before getting new ones with enchants and all the fancy new stuff

[flint turret]

Holy essay

[serene crane]

Ye sorry

[celest plinth]

your cat is your friend?

[serene crane]

I kinda wanted to go Rending Darkness again buuut thats a lot of points needed elsewhere 😄 and maybe I could throw Sync Strike out and take Cascade for mana, idk how that might be needed on LL, but low cdr Shift should be nice enough for big mana + mana umbrals

[flint turret]

okay so... it looks like you are going to get into the same trap i did

i dont really like the idea of "spammy" LM tbh. you will have most likely around 2.5s shift cd

which means that you cant do combos faster then around 3s

then you dont really need sync, because your smoke+shift already generate 4 shadows in 3s

[serene crane]

rn on Sd one Shift is 1.8 but with also 22% Stymied boots... without them, idk, a little bit more

[flint turret]

which means you can get coated blades instead

also no bleed multipliers for lm limits its damage potential

[nova tide]

What would that be

With the new endurance belt I struggle to see a downside honestly

[serene crane]

I could swap Sync to Cascade and only proc cascade on Shift... LM is already tight on points to get 3points for the Cascade node 😄

[flint turret]

you need to get bleedc somehow

[serene crane]

That would be up to 30% more damage... idk whats more worth, If that 30% or having that 5/5 light pen node for 50% penetration

ye 😄

well its kinda there

[flint turret]

its converted to lightning

you cant bleed with lm

[serene crane]

ahh right, rip

bleed cascade I guess

[flint turret]

bleed on umbrals recall? have no idea if thats enough

i havent really played recalled umbrals

i dont even think you need it that much

you will hbe getting 48 mana from shift

[serene crane]

I'll probably have to find out in 1.2 when the LL Shift will be properly working

[flint turret]

cascade is meh, you dont want to use a shift or shadows for cascade

[serene crane]

And for Coated Blades, I can drop 7 points in Rogue's Guile, 1pt from perfection leaving both at 4/5 and ge 8/8 coated

[cerulean parrot]

gotta love dat cinder strike for leveling, feels op

[flint turret]

have you seen dread lightning lm guide?

[serene crane]

Maybe something long time ago 😄

[flint turret]

its not that old, maybe few weeks max

with fulgrites

[serene crane]

I'll check it out

[flint turret]

im just trying to understand what you are getting out of bbc

[dull wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914508501697576990/1314542204722741248/caption.gif

[serene crane]

Should be more spammy than 2 Fulgrites with maybe more light pen? 🤔

More flat lightning with Fulgrites for sure

[flint turret]

yeah its more spammy but you are limited by shift and shadow spawn rate

[serene crane]

Ye I'd rather to be running fast... Puncture for Mana would be cool I guess

[flint turret]

also where is your armor shred bro

[serene crane]

Could just take 5 points from Marksman to Bd's Hooked Blades

Which is like 50-70 stacks on the Sd LM sooo should be similar here, maybe a bit less with no points in LM's Blur 🤔

[flint turret]

okay i calculated 1lp bbc with max rolls vs fulgrites 2lp with max rolls, its actually pretty close (if we ignore the fact that good roll bbc is impossible)

bacically 56 void flat+18 pen vs 320 inc ligtning

and 9 more incoming damage from dw

[serene crane]

Weeell If I would go for the longer combos, not like Sd LM, I could just use BBC with lower cdr and focus on other rolls

And I got.... quite a lot black blades in Stash, so Im sure some of them would be good 😄

[flint turret]

yeah bbc actually holds somewhat if you go t7 flat on it

as for % increase ucenui might be the answer

[serene crane]

I should have few of those, I havent really been doing relic prophecies much

[flint turret]

dodge % instead of flat on ammy

[serene crane]

Ok ye that looks better

[flint turret]

2 lp exsang is super easy, even 3 is not impossible

[serene crane]

Got 2x 3LP and like... eh, 12x 2LP... 😄