🔪┃rogue

[serene crane]

tabs with mark are filled, somewhat equally... Ive started before we knew what affix shards we'll get, so some of those set items might just be very useless 😄

lmao ye

all those tabs are full of keys, the grey ones are somewhat 1/3 TS, 1/3 Arbor, 1/3 Bastion... and a bit of arena

[flint turret]

Legacy does scary things to human mind

[novel rune]

well they need it too tbh, and we got falconer xd

[serene crane]

7 2LPs at the top, rest is 1LP for the LP gamba machine... 😄

some Black Blades for reroll too ofc... well, 1.2 will be busy...

[serene crane]

Some big Reaper rework would be really sweet, Ive always wanted to Lich be more melee, but there is just only Harvest 🤔

I got that Harvest relic with 4LP, so hey, thats something I guess...

I dont think so tbh... I play it with 2H Black Blade and its fine... But I cant tell If its better than any other BD Sd build, since Ive always try to avoid Sd 😄

also have this vid with few bosses and Explosive Trap, which kinda gives you more Dusk Shrouds, but in the end I just went for Umbral Blades with mana on Shift, which just made my life easier 😄
https://youtu.be/tnBbfa-5-x4

#🔪┃rogue message

[flint turret]

Dread lightning lm ambassador and Olvrin sd lm ambassador

[serene crane]

Nah I just got the build from Perry's video and just changed some stuff around, so idk, pretty much the same idea... 😄

in 1.2 I definitely want to do the low life one tho, hopefully it wont suck

[dusky schooner]

I might. On the fence about it atm 🙂

[void cargo]

Dident know that bladedancer is so strong

[serene crane]

Not in my hands

[torn stump]

+1

[pallid lake]

I'm interested by doing hail of arrow

but i'm not sure why everyone is picking the single hail

is it that weird to go multiple hails?

[tepid anchor]

Things are dead with one

and you usually want to use all the mana -> more damange multipliers

so you cant really do more than one consistently

late game you just mana regen, early you use puncture to regen

so if you want multiple, you'd need puncture even in late game

[pallid lake]

I don't intend to use puncture

[tepid anchor]

or flurry

whatever youre using as generator

[pallid lake]

Heartseeker has a super broken node for multiple hail of arrow

[tepid anchor]

you mean the +4 seconds node?

[pallid lake]

yes

[tepid anchor]

how are you sustaining

[pallid lake]

on top of providing dusk shroud, etc

drelkor should turn HS into a free skill

or foot of the mountain

[tepid anchor]

maybe sapping strikes and drelkor is enough

not sure how it interacts with sapping

since the skill itself doesnt cost 0

[pallid lake]

it works, I just tested

multishot with drelkor and foot of the mountain turns into a generator

[tepid anchor]

try it out

will be harder to properly execute

instead of dark quiver -> smoke > shift -> hoa

you need to spam hoa and heartseeker

and you'll lose a spec

shurikens so you dont have the bonus armor

[pallid lake]

I can skip on quiver instead. I lose a fairly high amount of dps, but I get it back by having 7 HoA out over 1

[tepid anchor]

you'll lose 90% of the more multipliers in that case

quiver is what consumes the shadows

so the whole point of hoa is consuming the shadows for the more multis

if you spam it, you are still tied to the quiver/smoke/shift cds

for the big hoas

[pallid lake]

You are doing x5.18 with quiver

[tepid anchor]

should be more active gameplay

i wouldnt use the more multi quiver tho

full bleed

need rotations to properly use the crystalwind stacks

[pallid lake]

I also wonder if it wouldn't turn the build into something more or less able to facetank

you are caping on GB fairly easily

you have 100% max life as endurance threshold

and you can have a fairly good amount of armor

[tepid anchor]

theres a lot of uniques

for bleed support

[pallid lake]

hail of arrow is trash for bleed tho

even with the quiver, it's like having a skill doing 10 hits

just spam HS in this case

[tepid anchor]

lets see how it performs if you end up going for it

[urban mesa]

Ballista 😭 They nerfed Ballisteros, did they?

[pallid lake]

yeah, it's probably a build I will try to do later in the season.

[glossy mortar]

Ballista is gonna be just fine, the nerfs to it don't seem bad at all, there will be less potions and slightly less damage, that's it.

[pallid lake]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEk6l1XA the build, theoretically up to 12 hails at the same

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (33) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (64) / Falconer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 2,950, Regen: 53/s
▸ Mana: 192.61, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 28%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 38 Dex / 14 Int / 14 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 74% / 99% / 62% / 70% / 66% / 75%
▸ EHP: 48,697 / 49,661 / 50,158 / 61,471 / 47,770 / 46,017 / 50,158

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 71%, Threshold: 3,284
▸ Dodge Chance: 56% (2252)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 56% (3,859)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 100%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Bow, Throwing, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Bow Mastery (5/5), Elemental Arrows (3/3), Mountain's Endurance (3/3), Sharpshooter (10/10), Dusk Shroud (15), Frenzy

Used skills:

• Hail of Arrows (26)
• Shurikens (20)
• Shift (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Heartseeker (24)

Used unique items:

• Dragonsong
• Foot of the Mountain
• Falcon Fists

[pallid lake]

also, is fire and steel 200 or 600% increased elemental damage with 3 arrows?

[eternal heron]

this gear feels extraordinarily ambitious (body armor with a t7 mod and a second t7 sealed? helmet with t7 + sealed t6? 3lp uniques?). also am i missing something or does falcon fists have legitimately no text here since you don't have a falcon or cinder strike or any melee skills

[next gale]

If you convert hail of arrows to fire, does Sanguine Hoard work the way I think/hope and makes it so it makes it have chance to ignite like it would bleed preconversion?

[silent relic]

My sweet blast rain is so dead

The audio design on that skill was so fun

[boreal walrus]

[topaz schooner]

also wondering why he's using falcon

[hearty moon]

sorry for random dorky btw @misty condor people were just really obsesswed with the shadow daggers non caltrop version for some reason so i thought it was going to fly under the radar.

[tepid anchor]

The sealed t7s are to simulate the shuriken bonus armor

[eternal heron]

hmm that's fair

although i am still not sold on this density of high lp and t7 exalted perfect base items

[next gale]

Was thinking of trying something like this on release. Only did 1lp on the few uniques since i figure those will be easy enough. I am just worried about black arrows being pita to run around to pick up.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOGjmz5B

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (59) / Falconer (14)

General:

▸ Health: 2,966, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 227.41, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 14%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 7 Str / 115 Dex / 7 Int / 7 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 83% / 86% / 74% / 81% / 83% / 68%
▸ EHP: 16,205 / 16,205 / 16,205 / 17,388 / 16,205 / 16,205 / 15,145

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 1,153
▸ Dodge Chance: 58% (2456)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (870)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 62%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 97%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire / Bow, Throwing, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Bow Mastery (5/5), Dusk Shroud (1), Frenzy, Haste

Used skills:

• Heartseeker (25)
• Hail of Arrows (23)
• Dark Quiver (21)
• Smoke Bomb (21)
• Shift (21)

Used unique items:

• Elecoe's Innovation
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Dragonsong
• Shattered Worlds

[tepid anchor]

bis tho

something to strive for

very hard to get all without heavy investments

he is looking for the potential

[hearty moon]

heartseeker makes my brain hurt

[next gale]

I love heartseeker lol

[hearty moon]

it's just hard to figure out the numbers

since it's so much of a feel skill

wow holy hell

trying to build poison heartseeker reminds me just how b ad marksman/bladedancers passive trees are

[eternal heron]

bladedancer passive tree is not weak

[hearty moon]

its poorly designed

and it is pretty weak in modern era actually

[eternal heron]

yeah sure keep telling yourself that

[hearty moon]

name one good node on the tree

the only stand out ones to me are deaths door, and weapon of choice

and deaths door isn't that special

[pseudo phoenix]

blade dancer is only competitive at all w/ falconer if you consider korean meta trap builds and i'm not even sure they're still functional

and i say this as someone who likes blade dancer a lot more thematically

[hearty moon]

It's a good thing they said acolyte and base rogue are the next two theyr'e looking at low key

[pseudo phoenix]

same investment that gets blade dancer within shooting distance of 1000c makes a falconer one shot aberroth, there's no real comparison

[nova tide]

What's the benefit of going falconry?

Do the falconry more multipliers affect umbral blades spawned by falcon abilities?

[pseudo phoenix]

i'll be honest i never can keep it straight if falcon buffs affect its thrown umbrals (i don't think they do) but the point of falconry there is just that it's core to the build, dive bomb/smoke bomb for single target and AA umbrals for clear

not only that but the bow stacks falcon melee damage on crit which gives it a lot of potential with divebomb

[nova tide]

but with all the falcon nerfs

does that still make sense rather than going on all on maximizing umbral?

[pseudo phoenix]

i'm not at all kidding when i say falcon would've needed to be nerfed by 60-70% before it stops making sense to prioritize it

[nova tide]

Ok but then why for example use

Ucenui's Sphere or Ambition when they do nothing for the falcon?

(last patch)

[pseudo phoenix]

ucenui's passive increases cold damage output, and umbrals are converted to cold here

[nova tide]

I know

but falcons do phys damage

and you just said falcon is the main dish

[pseudo phoenix]

ucenuis is also not too hard to find 3lp

[nova tide]

I'm just trying to get the logic behind the decisions

[pseudo phoenix]

the throwing damage on gear and ucenui's boost is enough to make umbrals clear

[nova tide]

I know I saw some video going around of a pure umbral build clearing very high too

so it's always good to get an idea of someone's thought process

I'm not saying @terse bloom's choices are wrong

[pseudo phoenix]

pure umbral would be much harder to build because you also need to get throw speed or would be gated by shift cd if you're not manually throwing

[terse bloom]

Hybrid build, most of the damage is dive bomb + shadows. Falconry only affects DB/falcon strikes

[nova tide]

no i mean

pure AA umbral

no falconry

[pseudo phoenix]

oh, there's just not boss damage there

it CAN kill bosses, but orders of magnitute slower

[terse bloom]

700 to 500 yeah but +1 max shadow and guaranteed 16 dex on red rings

Only works if you interrupt DB so it insta resets

[nova tide]

well it's not just 700 to 500

many falconry nerfs

and on wings nerfed by 25%

[terse bloom]

75 to 50% trained to hunt and 75 to 50% crit yeah, will still push to 2k and kill Aberroth easily

[nova tide]

+1 shadow offsets the on wings nerfs which is cool

[terse bloom]

Only concern is the DB visual fix if that fixes the interrupt

[nova tide]

How does that work btw

how do you interrupt the animation

I didn't really play much 1.1 has been such a long time

[pseudo phoenix]

with current falconer I kill aberroth in one combo and it doesn't even finish

[nova tide]

oh yeah one more thing

[pseudo phoenix]

50% nerf would still make it compete for best class

[nova tide]

does the crit -> falcon crit talent

include base crit?

I'm assuming yes

[nova tide]

yeah I mean I remember how busted dive bomb is

[terse bloom]

Hold alt on the DB skill, refunds 70% of cooldown and mana on interrupt. Off of AA and falcon strikes casts while DB is casting

[nova tide]

you're not wrong

[terse bloom]

https://youtu.be/AFWdRIIbo8Y?si=7meZ8qaroKb6XGuu

0:24

Pew pew

Stand in 5/5 smoke blade, throwing dam conversion to falcon melee dam via avian hurl

[pseudo phoenix]

the reset thing is really easy to do on controller

[pseudo phoenix]

i'm really curious on the actual performance of dw melee vs bow but i'm far too lazy to test

[nova tide]

dw melee node got nerfed though didn't it

[terse bloom]

Smoke bomb? Nah no nerfs

[nova tide]

that one

[terse bloom]

2 bug fixes

[pseudo phoenix]

the dw melee node for divebomb got nerfed but it won't matter too much

[terse bloom]

Yh that’s a rip

30 to 15

[obtuse ledge]

how do you do it on controller?

only ever seen ppl talk about it with AHK

but doing it on controller would be a big upgrade

[pseudo phoenix]

it's just timing as far as i can tell, maybe something about controller widens the input range

i didn't even realize i was doing it for a while

[obtuse ledge]

ur gonna convince me to go rogue again x.x

maybe as a second build if I do one

[pseudo phoenix]

main thing that is annoying on controller is that you can't really control AA distance

which makes it sort of cumbersome to clear with

[obtuse ledge]

oh yeah I remember being flabbergasted by the auto targeting on AA, like sometimes it would just target terrain with no enemies nearby at all

ok we are back to bear 🙂

[pseudo phoenix]

happy to be of service

[neon lichen]

oh is dw falconer aa umbral nerfed now?

[terse bloom]

No difference, talon knives only affects dive bomb which does 0 damage in a pure umbral blades build when you take birds aren’t real to make 40+ dusk shroud

[cerulean parrot]

is rogue still the squishiest of all?

evasion still felt meh

compared to ward

[terse bloom]

Buffed if anything, umbral projectile speed scales with your throwing attack speed or something correctly now, not sure if that applies to AA umbrals tho

AA being minion probs doesn’t do anything only direct cast

[silent relic]

Is their a good starting spot for falconer builds if I play strictly on controller? I’ve seen the autobomber build but not sure how I’d get that working on controller

[neon lichen]

oh ic ic

[pseudo phoenix]

if dusk shroud gen works it basically makes up for the nerfs anyway

[fathom magnet]

Is cascade better than umbral shadow daggers???

[pseudo phoenix]

no

i like it more though if that counts for anything

i suppose it depends what you mean though, i think ranged cascade is out of style because falconer sd is so much better generally

but it still works fine and probably better than manually throwing them

[fathom magnet]

in terms of using bladedancer yeah

[pseudo phoenix]

as far as i know, bd umbrals is essentially dead unless you like to struggle as a personality trait

[terse bloom]

32% cdr can get 40-45 stacks pretty easily, could go new 5% 4x1 cdr idols x2, +1 max shadow falcon prefix on gloves and 12% cdr gloves implicit, another 32% on boots/belt for like 86% cdr, probs overkill

[pseudo phoenix]

AA is popping like crazy at that cdr level for clear too

it's a good plan

[terse bloom]

Evade also cancels AA animation if you’re not using it as traversal

Probs be like 80+ shrouds with the extra shadow falcon pair it with 700% crit multi and liraka and id guess it’ll crit for like 200m+ per umbral

Actually can’t get mirage champion prefix (+1 max shadow) on legendaries

Dunno what’d be better, liraka 130% throwing dam crit multi or the extra dusk shrouds +1 shadow falcon would generate gotta test

[silent relic]

Wait there’s a cascade falon build? 👀

[boreal walrus]

[silent relic]

Can someone point me in that direction?

[stone bobcat]

Heartseeker is gonna be good for groups of enemies?

Or single target only?

[scenic otter]

You build it for one or the other.

[floral latch]

Oop, i'm torn. Bleed MS/HS or Crit based

Both seem like they could be respectable

[pallid lake]

the sealed are just here to mimic shuriken bonus armor, it's not here in the final gear

and falcon is a miss, forgot it's pure melee

too used to use it everywhere on others melee builds

[boreal walrus]

[patent ledge]

Where can I get more information on "mirages"? For example, the PENUMBRAL AMBUSH creates mirages. How much damage do they do? Is it the same as a regular ability?

[scenic otter]

Mirages, in most contexts, are effectively "temporary shadows that don't count as shadows and copies the related skill 1 to 1 and then disappear"

[coral tundra]

Wow, beautiful !

[chrome wren]

Is ice heartseeker going to be the suepr endgame pick?

[rugged pollen]

i dont know what to play

:sadge

[open comet]

How do we know ?

Nobody played it

[slim steeple]

go umbral blade falconer, safe choice and you can always respec later ^^

[graceful hare]

Looking forward to test cold converted Acid myself, looks like a nice buff

[scenic otter]

I'm going to mess with bleed HS HoA, then escape back to warlock for the new uniques

[rugged pollen]

massive buff from flask tree

but some manacost nerf in explo traps tree

big nerf for str stacking, but compensated by new idols

[flint turret]

Chakram bd might be interesting and ethical. Both life and ll

[rugged pollen]

overall i think it's a buff

but nothing new

[graceful hare]

Yeah, I'm aware of both. Wonder how it works in the end

[rugged pollen]

i think you can ditch the +1 traps thrown per use node

and still do the same dps as before

on the same setup

[graceful hare]

Probably even more. Also think about staying HP and not going LL. But need to explore that build a bit before deciding

[rugged pollen]

you can go

hybrid life ward xD

[graceful hare]

yeah

[rugged pollen]

vessel + bear glove + cleaver

if i cannot decide what i wanna play by the time the league start i'd probably go that route

at least i can farm stuff for the next thing with it safely

[slim steeple]

yeah, i think best is to just go first character safe then play w/e you want because ppl post more videos so you might like something

[graceful hare]

Bear glove 🤔 Help me, I can't remember and I'm on mobile

[open comet]

Did poison get a buff?

[flint turret]

Set for str

[rugged pollen]

3% life regen per str

at t7

[graceful hare]

Not sure if Str/Int stacking is worth tho. I feel there's not enough options to end 30k+ ehp without Vessel.

But I'll keep that for my backlog^^

[rugged pollen]

yeah that was with vessel

[open comet]

I'm gonna go frostbite heartseeker

[scenic otter]

No

[rugged pollen]

if only they move acid flask cold convert into the tree

instead of forcing player to use that shitty offhand

that would make much more sense

[open comet]

In my head it will be funny when you proc puncture + the icicles from the bow

Pew pew pew

[graceful hare]

I like the Flask, that is why I want to finally play it. Even watched at that build before notes came out.
Felt good to read about buffs on the already planned build 🙂

[keen birch]

Ice, fire or hybrid. Or some funky other way. All impossible.

[ember gale]

the falconer umbral blades build looks super fun for mapping, but how does it fare on bossing?

[flint turret]

better then for mapping

[rugged pollen]

@graceful hare are you going hit flask or frostbite

[rugged pollen]

it's way harder if you ask what's the thing it's not good at

[ember gale]

is there some way to alleviate that?

[rugged pollen]

play with your feet maybe

[ember gale]

uuuuuuuhm

[flint turret]

not good at following ethics

[scenic otter]

It's stupid strong at bossing, and great at clear.
The only thing it's not good at is that it ruins your preception of balance.

[ember gale]

are we talking about some specific build? maybe I'm missing something but I had the misconception that umbral blades is stupidly good on AOE ----> map clearing

[scenic otter]

No, Umbral Blades Falconer does both. The AoE shotguns, throwing 20 at a boss= 40 hits.

[flint turret]

it can stack more than 50 dusk shrouds on boss in a smoke, you can do the math yourself

[ember gale]

nvm, I stand corrected, that looks bonkers

[rapid plinth]

is heartseeker marksman s tier? speed clean and bosses wise

[flint turret]

actually, now that i think about it, umbral falconer can start using black arrows for fast 15 stacks of ds ans shadow creation

falconry is not really needed specced

[coral kelp]

Why did they nerf blast Rain da? 🥺

[flint turret]

the only explanation is to force every mm player that dont want to play hoa is to playtest hs

[coral kelp]

My favorite marksman.. Back to sentinel i guess

[graceful hare]

Rather frostbite

Let's see

[analog wave]

Anyone tried leveling with ballista? I kinda wanna play my build from the start

[dusky schooner]

Man they really nerfed a lot of falcon scaling

[sudden hull]

is the shadow daggers bladedancer still a thing? Haven't played for a while and can't find it on tier lists/guides

[scenic otter]

Yes, and basically unchanged

[sudden hull]

cool, thanks

[river crystal]

Quick question did the Bladedancer get nerfed or buffed overall?

[flint turret]

Forgotten mostly, with bits of buffs to non meta skills

[jaunty glen]

New to the game but messing around to get a feel before 1.2 I like the idea of Falconer (Really just any class that has 1 companion and fights in tandem with it rather than using the companion to do everything) a lot but saw it’s getting hit by a lot of nerfs. Still worth going in 1.2?

[rugged pollen]

still the best class in the game

by the look of it

[jaunty glen]

Dang

I didn’t even know it was that crazy

Just wanted a cool bird

[serene crane]

Basically better now with the DB's 4/X node for 50% SD pen @sudden hull 😄

[wary pagoda]

Is the smoke weaver SD build that just sync strike and shifts around the better SD playstyle, or is the BBC lethal mirage to stack SDs considered better now? Haven’t really touched rogue since 1.0

[scenic otter]

Sync strike, no uniques needed and doesn't need you to use a clunky skill.

[flint turret]

id personally say lm sd is better if compared high invetment to high investment

[rugged pollen]

this

sync shift SD

falls off hard

[flint turret]

the only issue that sd lm is always high invetment

getting BBC with good rolls and penumbras is just pure pain

[serene crane]

1000x better in 1.2... 😄

faster arenas, easier slams, unique rerolls

[wary pagoda]

Fair enough, plan was probably to run sync strike while farming bbc gear anyway, so that works out well

[flint turret]

yeah but smoke weavers are now easy slams too

as bad as they are, with high lp they are pretty good

[serene crane]

I was honestly doing 200-250c Lagon with Sd Puncture just fine

[junior oriole]

I din't like the LM SD build last season at all...BBC is a crap unique

[flint turret]

yeah regular sd wont have issues with 700 corr even with 0lp gear

so plenty of time to farm bbc and penumbras

[novel rune]

or skipping arenas xd

[junior oriole]

firstly farming BBC is pain since that harbinger fight has like no space for dodging

[serene crane]

Cant get Penumbras... well MG can I guess 😄

[flint turret]

with mg you can actually skip both lagon farming and arena farming

but not everyone plays mg

[novel rune]

ah

[junior oriole]

farming penumbra is pain since you can't target the champion.

[novel rune]

im thinking of giga juicing rares, bosses and champions lategame

needs very beefy build tho

[flint turret]

whay was bad about it in your opinion? i mean the sd lm not the bbc itself

[junior oriole]

I just died so much in monos. BBC removes LM immunity and I frequently found myself in middle of packs dead

[serene crane]

Not really Black Blade issue then... 😄

[junior oriole]

smoke weaver reduces shift cooldown so you get used to shifting out of trouble

so my muscle memory got all wrong

[novel rune]

twinned bosses, champion spam, all rares enraged, paired champions, possessed nemesis

you can make 1k corruption so much harder if you spec tree to it

[steel condor]

Can we assume this line also applies to Troaka's frostbite conversion?

[serene crane]

ye

[steel condor]

EZ

[tulip compass]

how good/bad is the ballista build for season 2?

[junior oriole]

maxroll lists it as S tier so must be good if you can tolerate the playstyle

[tulip compass]

i think it's outdated, sorry for not mentioning season 2

not sure if there are changes to ballista build in season 2

[junior oriole]

It stays largely unchanged for S2 and is still S tier

I mean if you just ignore all defense....you are gonna have good offense.

[prisma marlin]

Ballista hit 4k corruption + in season 1. Even worth nerfs bina still places it at Stier

Max roll lists are updated

Having zero defense is not my preferred play style. I enjoy the puzzle of adding a layer of dense to gear

[boreal walrus]

[proven lava]

search up abominati0n's profile on letools, and also their messages in this server
they were explaining ballistas to me a few days ago

according to them it'll be basically free to push 2k+ corruption

[slow sierra]

Only thing I do not like about ballista is that you are paper. You RIP alot randomly and I prefer something that has defense.

[open comet]

Going through the passive tree for my build
I can't decide if I wanna take every Dex node or skip 1 and take attack speed or more dmg

How good is Dex stacking ?

[pseudo phoenix]

dex stacking is the primary source of damage for falconer

you can get away with doing almost anything if you have enough dex

[slow sierra]

For rogues dex stacking works well with Mourningfrost boots because then dex gives flat cold and dex scales all flat dmg regardless of dmg type. Only issue is that you need to solve for the phys/cold negative resists from boots.

[open comet]

Hmm I wanna play mourningfrost because frostbite heartseeker so guess I take every Dex node

[slow sierra]

frostbite is not affected mourningfrost

dots such as bleed/poison/frostbite do not getting added flat damage

[open comet]

But you convert heartseeker to cold for frostbite and mourningfrost boost it

[slow sierra]

does not work

[open comet]

That's ass

[slow sierra]

the heartseeker dmg will benefit

but the frostbite dmg will not

[open comet]

Yeah

[scenic otter]

Welcome to ailments, where the flat doesn't matter.

[open comet]

time to play snowdrifts then

[slow sierra]

If you are playing to have frostbite do most of your damage then mourningfrost is bad

[open comet]

yeah im going snowdrifts then

[slow sierra]

if you are playing for icicles and heartseeker to do most of your dmg mourning frost good

[open comet]

hmm yeah

sooo frostbite shackles gonna be on the build too

same for troakas teeth because heartseeker gonna proc me puncture too

thats how i got it planned out for now

but might need to take another route for more recourve chance

[boreal walrus]

[neon lichen]

You need to find a way to kill the first mob though because puncture only procs on death

Also HoA will not proc your frostbite

[tall forge]

Is there anyway to proc acid flask from hail of arrows?

[scenic otter]

No.

[tall forge]

Thats a bummer, was interested in making a pure poison heartseeker and wanted to add in flasks

[lament radish]

any thought on this item as rogue ? I really think the ward conversion is insane in term of ratio, 100% bleed duration per 1K3 consumed without any limit

[pallid lake]

This item is pretty bait for multiple reasons, the biggest two are 1) bleed duration is not that big a deal nowaday given the investment required and 2) you need to have a reliable source of ward AND accept it's not going to help you defensively

[lament radish]

bleed duration is a huge multiplier

but ofc we exchange defense for offense

[pallid lake]

exchanging defense for offense is not a thing in last epoch

and bleed duration can be acquired elsewere

[lament radish]

you can't reach "high" bleed duration without lots of sacrifice

like I sacrifice defense for offense here

but the ratio seems pretty good here

[pallid lake]

blood of the exile (67%), valdyr (50%), blood visage (25%), adorned idols enchantment (14% per)

that's 200% bleed duration

requiring nothing specific

[meager fern]

200% is plenty tbh, things rarely survive longer than 2-3 full bleed rotas

[lament radish]

I aim bossing tbh

for high bleed duration

[pallid lake]

Sure, but going from 300 to 600% bleed duration is 100% more damage and require you to generate 4K ward every 3s (not including the decay)

and you lose your offhand in the process

[meager fern]

my hammerdin was doing sub-500c Heorot skipping the blizzard phase with ~164% duration and ~976 bleeds per tick

falconers blow us hammerbois out of the water with application too so u will probably be fine :D

[scenic otter]

Which means no bow setups

[lament radish]

from +100% duration to +300% duration is 100% more damage, and obviously pushing more than +300% is probably not worth it

[pallid lake]

The setup I gave you is already 300% duration

[lament radish]

with perfect roll

[pallid lake]

yes

so you may end up with 250% bleed duration instead, big deal

[lament radish]

and thats near 200%

with perfect roll

[meager fern]

perfect rolls 💀

[lime folio]

that item is only used in the meme bleed-pop sentinel build with this node

[meager fern]

ye that was a funny node lol

[pallid lake]

alright, before I entertain this kind of answer, could you tell me how you think you are going to sustain, say, 600 ward per second?

[lament radish]

as rogue? Ward per shadow created + shadow cascade node

[scenic otter]

Do you have the ward retention to keep the ward?

[lament radish]

look symbol of demise

[scenic otter]

150% is really not a lot.

[pallid lake]

good luck using shadow cascade with symbol btw

even if it was possible, you are going to have an extremely low hitrate, and can't really stack your bleeds if all you were doing is synchro/SC

[lament radish]

you don't cast shadow cascade directly, using syncr strike

ofc but if i'm not wrong, you gain huge dmg boost thank to shadow for ur bleed? And shadow cascade has 200% damage effectiveness

[pallid lake]

damage effectiveness does nothing for bleed

but okay, just tested, and somehow shadow cascade is triggered even with a catalyst

this skill deserves to be burned to the ground given the gigantic amount of bugs in it

[scenic otter]

Triggered breaks rules, you can trigger it with shift even with a bow.

The restriction only applies to direct casts.

[lament radish]

damage effectiveness don't apply to bleed ? Hm

[scenic otter]

Bleed cannot gain flat.

[lament radish]

so %more damage is not multiplied by effectiveness for bleed?

[pallid lake]

I just straight up don't believe it's intended to be able to cast melee attacks with a bow just because you triggered

[pallid lake]

%more damage work

not the base effectiveness

[flint turret]

%more are applied to dot from the skill that applies it

[scenic otter]

So, funny thing. The trigger node last time was "... if you have a melee weapon".
Which worked as intended until 1.0.
Then they removed the requirement at 1.1

[lament radish]

yes, but does effectiveness apply to %more dmg on tree?

[scenic otter]

Damage effectiveness only ever applies to flat damage.

[lament radish]

oh

really think this effectiveness using even %more damage from tree to scale

[meager fern]

and then you realize falconers get 1100% bleed dmg from just two swords before idols xdd

[lament radish]

sad then

[flint turret]

I was playing bow sd bd with cascade in 0.9 btw

[serene crane]

100% not worth for the bleed duration, 100% not worth at all for only 200% bleed chance when you can just get offhand sword and have a way better lfie with that... 😄

[scenic otter]

Wait did that node break since 0.9?

[flint turret]

I haven't played before 0.9 so I have no idea

[lime folio]

to be clear, you mean that if a skill have 300% damage effectiveness, it doesnt work because bleed isnt scaling for flat
but if that skill has +200% increased damage from its tree, and 4% dex scaling, if you have 20 dex, you'd still have 280% increased damage on your bleed, right?

[pallid lake]

skills don't have increased damage on their tree

except maybe very few exceptions

[scenic otter]

Bad example since skills normally use %more damage, but yes.

[flint turret]

Increased =\ = more

[scenic otter]

Damage effectiveness ONLY affects flat damage and NOTHING else.

[lament radish]

good to know, then even a huge scaling skill won't use bleed well

sadly

[wheat veldt]

where my acid flask boys at? we eating good or no?

[tall forge]

I think it's gonna be fun

[scenic otter]

A skill with multiple % more damage nodes and/or have high hit rates will use bleed well.

[lament radish]

depend how many %more u can get

[scenic otter]

Most of the time, you'll rely mostly on hit rates.

[lament radish]

yes

but that's sad

[scenic otter]

Since making 100 bleed in 5 seconds is better than 20 barely stronger bleeds in 5 seconds.

[lament radish]

restrict lots of possibility

[pallid lake]

solution

[scenic otter]

There's only a few exceptions.

[pallid lake]

don't play ailment

I really dislike ailments in LE

[scenic otter]

Eg: The funny Forge Strike node that turns stun chance directly into bleed pen.

(I'm not even sure if that node still exists)

[lament radish]

ailment main advantage for rogue is valdyr that constantly leech even if you don't hit enemies

during boss fight its massive

[pallid lake]

it's not an ailment thing

it's a dot thing

[flint turret]

Yeah it's different from how poe does it. There you want 1 big hit for max damage single ailment, in le you need to balance hitrate vs damage of a single stack

[scenic otter]

Also rogues have high attack speed skills.

[lament radish]

Was talking of bleed ye

[pallid lake]

yes, but you can do dot builds without doing ailment

so if I want to abuse that, I still don't have to play ailment

[flint turret]

The only thing le misses is ailment proliferation. Kinda sucks that enemy with 100 stacks dies and there is no tech to spread it

[grizzled crest]

hello does any1 here play ballista falconer build i need some advice i m newbie in this game 😄

[pallid lake]

there is prolif on some skills

[flint turret]

In some, yeah, but usually no

[scenic otter]

Prolife is rare yeah.

[lament radish]

since I will go HC for 1.2 I need huge survivability but rogue lack of that tbh, dodge rating don't prevent OS, if you can't constantly leech you can die to DOT, this class has a good gameplay but poor survivability

[pallid lake]

I mean

if you want to go HC

symbol of demise is like the very last thing you should consider in your build

ever

[slow sierra]

It sucks because dex = dodge while str and int scale much better defensively

[flint turret]

Rogue having low survivability is a meme

It's as tanky as you want it to be

[scenic otter]

Rogue is iffy in HC only because lots of people don't want to rely on dodge.

[flint turret]

No one forces you to dual wield or use mourningfrost or zhp builds

[serene crane]

People probably trying to stand in the middle of 500c+ mobs or facetank boss oneshots, then wondering why they are dead... 😄

[pallid lake]

I wonder about doing a melee marksman (no detonating arrow meme)

[lament radish]

mapping as rogue is not a problem

my main problem is bossing

since one hit can kill you

[flint turret]

I'm pretty sure it's doable with Mountain boots tho, and in 1.2 you can even add reforged Corsair

Or shield that blocks dot

[lament radish]

same for dot since you rely on constant leech

[rugged pollen]

i've seen gameplay video of that kind alot

[flint turret]

And not at 500 but rather higher

[rugged pollen]

everything that doesnt allow you to stand still at one place pressing 1 button

= no survivability

[serene crane]

The only issue I have are some instant attacks from bosses that kinda deal damage before their animation even begins... like Gaspar/Harb beams, dragon breath, that cold/necro wind from Blood, Frost and Death harbringer

[rugged pollen]

necro wind does tick dam

and you do have reaction time to get out of it with shift

[junior oriole]

I find rogue tankier than sentinel but that might change this patch.

[serene crane]

Sometimes it hits before the animation appears 😄

[rugged pollen]

rogue = best survivability

survivability != tanky

[junior oriole]

@flick that makes sense...you do have the tools to survive is what I meant

I died way more on my Beastmaster with 5k+ ward than on my falconer

[serene crane]

Falconer doesnt even count, comeon...

[junior oriole]

when blade dancer too

well*

[meager fern]

herp derp falconer go brrr jajajaja

[rugged pollen]

if you have to build something like a pacifist speedrunner

where you dont kill anything and just try to survive for xxx amount of time

[junior oriole]

except crappy LM SD as I mentioned earlier today...so if you build rogue right...it is fine

[rugged pollen]

rogue would easily top that

[serene crane]

1400c LM Sd was still quite chill, so idk where else would you really want it to push it 😄

[flint turret]

Bd has access to the invulnerability from lm too. You can evade most dangerous stuff with it more or less easily if you get used to it

[rugged pollen]

invul from LM

iframe from shift

decoy

[flint turret]

And you can also add invulnerability to sync

Thast 2 skills with invul

[junior oriole]

@serene crane I struggled with LM SD at 600ish corruption...

[rugged pollen]

ehh i'd leave that out

[lament radish]

how to counter rogue:
force him to move to prevent him from leeching (unless he plays valdyr) then apply constant DOT to him, gg

[flint turret]

And invul from shift too, that's 3

[serene crane]

Well, then you built it wrong I guess 😄

[wheat veldt]

so is heartseeker the new buff skill for any bow user?

[junior oriole]

No I think I copied @flint turret spec...so I just sucked..I accept

[flint turret]

Which one?

[pallid lake]

how

[flint turret]

Retreat into shadow

[rugged pollen]

nobody would do that anw

[junior oriole]

I don't recall...last patch is too far in the past

[rugged pollen]

😂

[pallid lake]

right

[serene crane]

The only thing that would suck at Black Blade LM Sd is a Black Blade with low LM cdr roll... like Ive tried it with 8% and 12% one and it felt legit awful, so gotta get higher rolled one... rn I have 19%, t7 cdr on belt and boots and I could really ask for anything better

[rugged pollen]

+8 cd, like cmon man

[pallid lake]

Plan for melee shuriken marksman going well btw

[flint turret]

Might have been tho one I struggled with too the experimental spammy non sd lm? That sucked bad

[serene crane]

And my defenses are mostly pretty crap I bet 😄

[junior oriole]

@flint turret but it used penumbra...so must be some SD in it

[meager fern]

Olvrin got a usable BB

[flint turret]

I haven't played sd lm, I didn't have the patience to farm penumbras. But I remember doing some planners for it, but they had like 30k ehp, so no way that would struggle at 600th

[serene crane]

Shut up 😦

My Black Blade has feelings too

[meager fern]

monka 😶‍🌫️

[junior oriole]

so what I am hearing is I should try LM SD this patch too and copy a good spec

and hopefully L2P

I already played a lot of razorfall falconer and dive bomb falconer last patch so I am definitely looking for something new

[serene crane]

Its not really getting any buffs, other than the generic 200flat life from lv100, vitality on Somnia If you use that... idk what else... some idol enchants maybe? I didnt check them mostly 😄

[flint turret]

Hor hc why not? Most of death come from being stuck in sync animation anyway. I'm not saying it's always good, but that's an option

[junior oriole]

and over the years I have played all kinds of SD blade dancers so that is out too

[rugged pollen]

wanna join me on the melee BD cult

#meleenotbad

[flint turret]

Biggest buffs are guaranteed slams on BBC and penumbras tbh

[junior oriole]

Will it give me the OP feeling that razorfall falconer gave me? I am looking for that zoom zoom style where everything dies

[meager fern]

tell Aave to tell Mike to make BD great again 🥹

[serene crane]

For Sd, just big %cdr for LM on Black Blade and as high as possible crit multi which is kinda whatever... big dex can be nice, but the rest is kinda whatever tbh... so nicely rolled 1LP with slammed t7 %phys would be great already
I got some poopy clips of running echoes (sorry for the click click click keyboard sounds )
https://youtu.be/dQC86-NE0Ko
and some bosses (with explo trap for some dusk shroud generation but eh, umbral mana feels smoother tbh
https://youtu.be/tnBbfa-5-x4

[serene crane]

yep, 100%

also this on body armor is great tbh... t6 is also +2, just less mana... whiiich should be alright If you run umbrals mana on shift

[junior oriole]

ravenous voids...ofc you are tanky

my gear was nowhere near this

[serene crane]

Ive played pretty much this build since the start of 2025, so... a lot of time to get to that... 😄

[junior oriole]

also 2lp BBC

I killed that harbinger 30+ times and nver got a 2lp 😦

I don't if that's par for course or bad luck

[silent relic]

Ceiling on LM is higher than dual wield sync strike right?

[serene crane]

exalted gloves with hybrid health+ele resists would be nice enough... idk for prefixes, gloves are kinda whatever... throw dmg is not that high and in 1.2 there is the flat dodge with +1 shadows, whiiich... idk, could be a bit useful but kinda whatever

[flint turret]

Depends on which lm and which sync are you talking about

[meager fern]

did u just stand in that 1204c durgon aoe there

[serene crane]

Ikd how many times Ive killed Lagon's harbringer, but I kinda just gave up at this point... got a lot of 1LPs in stash to gamba reroll in 1.2... and 204+ Aberroth eyes, sooo maybe he dropps a better Black Blade/Nihilis too... like I got 2LP Nihilis buuuut with one of the worst rolls Ive seen... ever 😄

[flint turret]

Lirakas will be easy to get with t7 hybrid in 1.2

[junior oriole]

I am sick of that harbinger as well

[serene crane]

with big enough damage you can just stun lock the meanie dragon and smoke bomb for silver dusk.... juuuuust need to make sure no spawned zombie hits you 😄

[pseudo phoenix]

they're changing eye of reen to work with indirect melee hits again so melee cascade should be viable

[meager fern]

big damage 😭 rip

[flint turret]

Also chakram got huge buffs, so that's def an option too

[serene crane]

I got this around... and probably like 8x 2LP with 125% throw multi in stash... about 3 or 4x 3LP buuut only with 70% throw multi so eh... I want big roll 😄

[flint turret]

Huge dps

[junior oriole]

ooo so indirect buff to SD via eye of reen!

[flint turret]

Bossing gloves

[serene crane]

Ye, can swap around for sure

+you've made a planner with way bigger ehp than what I have 😄

[silent relic]

not sure what the reen build looks like but I'm excited for someone to cook something

[serene crane]

Which reminds me.... EHG has mentioned it'll work with Warpath again, sooooo..... its gonna work with channeled Flurry again too

[flint turret]

You have some crazy gear I wouldn't even dare to put in the planner, like those boots

[serene crane]

Ye Im not saying its a starter planner or anything like that... buuut its playable...

also... you wont guess where I got the boots from...

I got bored and started a Stygian lich... went to 100c Shade and got them

[flint turret]

[flint turret]

Also falconers needed bit of buff to sd

[meager fern]

falconers need a what

[flint turret]

[pseudo phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_dOu3BjACc

[lament radish]

back to cinder strike again, someone tested this interaction?

[pseudo phoenix]

i've worked on it before but i could probably cook something better now

[serene crane]

Im not touching that, you wont get me!

[flint turret]

good for you. feels pretty bad to play other rogue specs after falconer for a while

you get used to too much power and your standards suffer

alright here we go

dunno if im ready tho

[serene crane]

I guess thats how any non-SD rogue felt before Falconer somehow got added to the game 😄

[junior oriole]

Marksman was fine before the power creep...the cold HoA build is pretty good

[flint turret]

already intriguing

[junior oriole]

and DA before the "bug fix" was pretty good too. rivaled falconer on power

[silent relic]

excitement! I have something sort of similar with traitors tongue and smokeweaver sync strike

The umbral blades procs are a bit different then how I'm triggering them but i'm very excited

eye of reen is sweet

[flint turret]

ended up even more unexpexted then i initially predicted, that wasnt melee cascade triggered by dancing but rather SD dancing strikes with throwing cascade

[lime folio]

i'm definitely never clicking on that 😵‍💫

[flint turret]

why not? its interesting to see things from different pov

ballista without mourningfrost is an intersting approach too, even looks ethical, 2-4k crits from ballista

[serene crane]

Surely there is some more interesting build than Falconer Ballista....

[lime folio]

cause that content creator is known for bait builds and low quality?

plenty other ones to support

[flint turret]

i mean... who i am to judge? they are not optimized that well for pushing corr, but they clear 300-700 corr, which is already higher than 1% of players reach. And people will watch and build them anyway, ind its gonna by be perfectly fine for them.

and having content on the game is always good to bring more players, so i see almost any guide is a win unless its deliberatly misleading and doesnt work, or uses heavily edited character which doesnt match the video and shows clearing thousands corr

[serene crane]

Well... videos of nicely doing 1k+ corruption are sure nice... but I guess If you want a viewerbase to continue watching your guides, you just want to showcase like 250-500c with somewhat common gear 🤔

[junior oriole]

yeah guides that have too high level gear are useless for 99% of folks who will never see that gear....that's why I like dread's zero to hero content..10/10 harbinger in mostly crappy gear

[flint turret]

dread is just too good at the game after 10k hours, so zth is not really representative for new players too

[pseudo phoenix]

dread is good because he actually tests the stuff personally or takes vouches from longstanding community members

[junior oriole]

yeah...but I can actually get better gear than what he shows in the videos...so I can get be a bit worse on reflexes and still do the fights

[flint turret]

yeah, i watched quite a few, good content

[floral rivet]

How does intelligence scale ballista damage?

[dreamy mesa]

is heartseeker gonna suck?

[flint turret]

tactician in aa

[flint turret]

0 chance for that unless its bugged so it doesnt work at all

[dreamy mesa]

just really not seeing people hype it up like i thought they would

[serene crane]

No its gonna pierce

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[fading glacier]

ive seen people talking ab heartseeker everywhere...

[serene crane]

Scroll more more more up and there should be a lot of different planners for Hs

[fading glacier]

most streamers are going HS for league starter or sentinel

[flint turret]

yeah every content creator or longstanding rogue player is going to play it

[dreamy mesa]

hmmm. theres 2 theory crafts in all the builds in last epoch tools

I wanna play it but i dont want it to suck lol

[fading glacier]

i dont think its going to suck.... far from it actually

[dreamy mesa]

you guys going phys or elemental?

[junior oriole]

is there any flat mana cost reduction for bow skills?

[flint turret]

it just cant suck simply from the math. its more hits than blast rain da did with much less mana investment

[fading glacier]

ill try both probably start with phys

[flint turret]

and much better damage multies

[dreamy mesa]

do you know what other skills youre gonna run? just mobility stuff?

[pseudo phoenix]

can probably still fit some kind of shift-umbral setup

[fading glacier]

typical rogue skills shift & smoke bomb forsure

[flint turret]

depends on the direction... smoke, shift, shurikens, umbrals, cinder, black arrow, puncture are probably the most common ones for it

[pseudo phoenix]

oh yeah, people do love their shuriken armor

[flint turret]

who wouldnt with the new 440 armor helm?

[dreamy mesa]

also i played season 1 and beta but i never understood the peak of the mountains

wouldn't you never leech at that point

[flint turret]

you dont really care about leech if you have tons of life on hit

especially for HS, because it lingers to recurve

[dreamy mesa]

oh leech and life on hit are diff?

[flint turret]

yes

[dreamy mesa]

which new helm are you talking about? not seeing one that high for rogue uniques

[dreamy mesa]

wow

[flint turret]

designer had a power fantasy attack

this with bladeshield is crazy

1.3k armor just from having this helm+ bladeshield and nothing else

2.3k if you add armor flat bless

[meager fern]

lpl 70 💀 ah shi ere we go agane paranoia v2

[flint turret]

i mean.... its t6 str+t6 int+t7 crit reduction+t7 flat armor without any lp already

it could be lplvl 100 and it would still be super strong

[pseudo phoenix]

giving up falconer helm would hurt but that is just so much armor

[vapid arrow]

dang this amulet is surprisingly good for 1LP usage, attributes, vit and all res

[scenic otter]

Hey hold on, why is this doing in the rogue channel

[meager fern]

curse on hit rings when EHG

[vapid arrow]

legit just don't read that part

[dry gulch]

yeah I would just treat any unique item as automatically going to be 1lp with t7, regardless of how much lp it has.

[vapid arrow]

like the bottom 4 rows are the only stuff that I was looking at

[scenic otter]

I feel like history is repeating itself again...

[flint turret]

actually true. im gonna put it on my bufget planner i guess

might be easier to get then a good exlated bone

[scenic otter]

In that thought process, TRUE.

... here we go again.

[meager fern]

lolol

[scenic otter]

This is the "We don't lock uniques to classes for the comedy" shining again.

[fleet sail]

Umbral Blades Falconer vs. Shadow Dagger Bladedancer - is there a huge difference when it comes to endgame and progress?

[scenic otter]

Falconer will make you question game balance.

[fleet sail]

Sounds good, thanks!

[dry gulch]

yeah umbral blades has over shadowed shadow daggers.

[flint turret]

its not even close. one is riding a scooter, the other is riding a plane

[silent relic]

Plane riding is fun tho

[scenic otter]

I was going to compare it to walking and a high speed train but that works too.

[flint turret]

technically both can get you far, but you wont be able to cross oceans....

[lament radish]

elemental bow attack is fire/lightning/cold tag with bow tag?

[scenic otter]

Ye

[flint turret]

yoinked and updated the semi-budget planner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKlm5dLQ

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (31) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (64) / Falconer (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,381, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 149.44, Regen: 8.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 22%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 94 Dex / 11 Int / 23 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 65% / 66% / 66% / 75% / 99% / 78%
▸ EHP: 27,197 / 24,724 / 24,951 / 30,625 / 27,197 / 27,197 / 27,197

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 746
▸ Dodge Chance: 64% (2977)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,508)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 61%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 95%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Physical / Bow, Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Ambition (10/20), Bow Mastery (5/5), Sharpshooter (10/10), Swiftness, Dusk Shroud (6), Frenzy, Haste

Used skills:

• Umbral Blades (20)
• Dark Quiver (22)
• Puncture (20)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Heartseeker (24)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Boulderfists
• Mourningfrost
• Anchor of Oblivion
• Pearls of the Swine
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Heirloom of the Last Nomad
• Peak of the Mountain
• Legacy of the Quiet Forest
• Reign of Winter
• Phase Point
• Throne of Ambition

[lament radish]

alternating bow attack is interesting mechanic since MM can burst thank to coated blades+ethereal arrow

[silent relic]

Do we need umbral blades specced or is it procced somehow- really don't want to click it and heartseaker

[scenic otter]

Look no further for that kind of playstyle with old Hoa black arrow setups

[flint turret]

how can we curse ourselves btw?

or needs to be a warlock?

[scenic otter]

Most probably ignored, unless you're willing to slot in that stupid self mark for death shield.

[lament radish]

@scenic otter charged puncture can't work with this type of gameplay?

u take this node to create a cost on puncture

[scenic otter]

Charged puncuture is- Oh right, there's the cold convert unique.

[pallid lake]

The damage effectiveness per hit is completely different as well...

[lament radish]

never tried this node, how is the "spread" on that "traps raining"?

[flint turret]

Same as throwing

[pallid lake]

The damage effectiveness of heartseeker is not that high tbh

even among "low/free" attack skills

[lament radish]

cos you have lots of hit per cast

[pallid lake]

i'm obviously including the amount of hit in this

[faint abyss]

Man rewatching Karv show off heartseeker has me hyped

[pallid lake]

This and like 80 dex (for a total of 230% recurve chance) has an average damage effectiveness of 1174%

it's good, but it's not insane

[flint turret]

[vapid arrow]

Here's an early HS bleed setup, bleed stacks will go over 2k, theoretical max bleed pop is nearly 100m with just this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgY5ExLA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 90

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (29) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (50) / Falconer (16)

General:

▸ Health: 2,170, Regen: 18.6/s
▸ Mana: 275.35, Regen: 16.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 26%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 117 Dex / 13 Int / 3 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 68% / 68% / 68% / 58% / 64% / 65% / 63%
▸ EHP: 10,285 / 10,285 / 10,285 / 10,649 / 9,915 / 10,005 / 9,826

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 760
▸ Dodge Chance: 47% (1660)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,379)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 36%

Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Bow, Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Bow Mastery (5/5), Coated Blades, Crimson Shroud (3/3), Dusk Shroud (4), Haste

Used skills:

• Heartseeker (23)
• Puncture (21)
• Net (21)
• Smoke Bomb (20)
• Shift (20)

Used unique items:

• Sanguine Hoard
• Thorn Slinger
• Blood of the Exile
• Valdyr's Chalice
• Pearls of the Swine

[pallid lake]

rive can get like 1600% damage effectiveness on vk fairly easily

[cursive inlet]

yoink, ty king

[eternal heron]

not sure if someone else mentioned but one of the new weaver idol affixes is chance to throw acid flask on bow hit if you really want to do that

[cursive inlet]

hows the mono clears on that olio

[vapid arrow]

I have no clue whatsoever, purely planning stuff

like depending on the mana regen required you'll drop the additional mana cost nodes on passive, regen should? be fine with leech + hp on hit, but as usual ailment based mono clearing will require super high damage

[cursive inlet]

yeah feel like the frostbite version mitigates that a bit with puncture > icicle chains

[vapid arrow]

yeah that'll help for sure

But a setup like that should go hard on aberroth

The numbers are there, so there's for sure things to swap out for more QoL

[cursive inlet]

feel like the only qol that setup needs is "how do we clear monos without it being ass"

[vapid arrow]

I suppose one could just use puncture for clear and HS for rares

[vocal gust]

is it possible for rogue class to face tank?

[finite arch]

im pretty new, so far not really

unless your armour/dodge is extremly high

[lime folio]

anyone else having the issue of LEtools randomly removing points from most skill trees or passives?

[flint turret]

Yep. Some of my planners for 1.2 lost most of them

Maybe the site can't handle the load

I expect it to be much worse when season starts

[lime folio]

it's even bricking the passive tree
not allowing to remove points that should be removable

[flint turret]

So better prepare for that

[lime folio]

yep yep

[flint turret]

That's because you no longer have 20 in rogue

[wheat veldt]

The gear is basically as good as itll be but are there any glaring issues with it so far? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnEjYyaA

[sharp raven]

Marksman, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (32) / Bladedancer (8) / Marksman (47) / Falconer (26)

General:

▸ Health: 2,303, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 137.2, Regen: 23.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 72/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 82 Dex / 17 Int / 17 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 303% / 80% / 80% / 88% / 62% / 115% / 94%
▸ EHP: 33,734 / 33,734 / 33,734 / 38,206 / 29,853 / 33,734 / 33,734

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 461
▸ Dodge Chance: 51% (1949)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,508)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 66%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning, Physical / Throwing, Bow

Buffs:

▸ Concentration, Dusk Shroud (10), Haste

Used skills:

• Acid Flask (27)
• Shift (21)
• Smoke Bomb (21)
• Heartseeker (23)
• Explosive Trap (23)

Used unique items:

• Exsanguinous
• Shattered Worlds
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Last Steps of the Living
• Li'raka's Claws
• Dragonsong
• Pearls of the Swine

[bitter ruin]

Hmm, trying to put together a Chakram build without too much outside help, but I'm hung up on survivability
falconer seems to like a shield so I assume I should just go with the flow and do that, but I like the idea of dual wielding Fulgurite Shard and Traitor's Tongue
Should I just drop the tongue and put on a shield probably?

[flint turret]

whats the stable ward? retention looks kinda low you calculated it at 4k? the issue will be that you cant replenish it fast, no potion to ward conversion. with 4k ward i dont see a reson to go LL, life will be much better with endurance and health on hit with comparable amounts

[flint turret]

no, if you are not HC you always go tongue

defenses will cone from dodge\res\endurance\armor\glancing, or you can go ll for ward

[bitter ruin]

hmm

[wheat veldt]

not sure what the ward bottoms out at, just kinda took a shot in the dark, have another version with strand of souls thats around 200% retention

[flint turret]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ward

[wheat veldt]

health is about 200 lower though

sitting at about 1100 ward/s and stable at 5100 with strand.

[flint turret]

Sounds not that bad. Just get potion to ward conversion

[wheat veldt]

yeah 4 stout idols with weaver potion conversion

with average rolls its a little under 180 attributes for red ring but if i push for some higher rolls mainly on relic if possible itll hit the extra 20%dr. Just hoping heartseeker adds enough flat to be worth not going falconer

[flint turret]

dont expect much flat without mourningfrost

[slow sierra]

You should pick up sapping strikes for regen with 2 T7 throwing reduc you get mana from casting flasks

[flint turret]

btw idont see why you are not goint for hs conversion to a throwing attack, it would add another 50+ recurve

if you are using it only to get buff anyway

[slow sierra]

He is not going to be getting much of a buff on mono's because he spec'd exposed 1 or 2 stacks most of the time

[flint turret]

yeah weird

[wheat veldt]

mourningfrost is what i would build if i wasnt going ward but i dont enjoy the essentially zhp style without having to invest a hefty amount into counteracting the downside. also cant use sapping because im not casting acid flask

and i grabbed the 50% recurve with the 3 sec cooldown since im just using it for buff, just not updated

oh i didnt know there was a helmet for heartseeker, yeah its probably better than the fire res and crit multi, although it loses a lot of survivability

[flint turret]

I experimented a bit with ward+mourningfrost. Can get decent numbers like 5.4k ward with red rings and 100 dex

Getting idols is the main problem tho

here. cold res doubles as cold pen for hs

[wheat veldt]

got rid of exposed, only took it for the frailty since i dont think i had any way to apply elsewhere but i didnt notice the node before it was health leech which is bad.

not sure how difficult itll be to get idols but those 1x1's are very strong.

[spare musk]

So, I'm eyeing up the 0HP ballista falconer. I'm new to LE, does anyone have any input on how rough it might feel being new to the game (Not new to ARPGs) and playing a 0HP kinda playstyle?

[junior oriole]

I think if you are new to LE then just experience it as a normal char and not zhp...you would miss some cool things because that build kills most things so fast.

and often offscrean

[soft mauve]

im sorry guys im in disbelief with this passive interaction, if im using a bow fire attack does this node increase both bow dmg AND fire dmg and then those increases add on top of each other for bow fire skill calculations?

[next gale]

Is that spell rogue build legit? It looks like a rogue shooting out dragon fire

[night badger]

Not sure if this has been asked before but what happens to your heartseeker attack that's travelling to an enemy if the enemy dies before the attack connects?

does it fizzle or auto retarget something nearby

[boreal walrus]

[desert bridge]

TL:Dr No. It will increase the damage of all bow skills AND all fire skills separately. So if you're using the burning daggers from Heartseeker, it will affect those as well as the physical bow damage from the skill.

But it won't affect your fire bow skills twice.

[topaz schooner]

sigh. its the era yet again of people talking like they know anything about defenses and just say "rogue is squishy!!!!" @flint turret

[lament radish]

rogue is squishy if you use the defensive layer that dev want us to play

dodge rating is trash for bossing

[desert bridge]

Dodge rating by itself is trash for bossing

Also, people tend to underestimate diminishing returns. Once you stack dodge to 50 or so%, you're probably better off getting some armor and stuff.

Plus lots of rogue builds can get to dodge softcap by just using dusk shrouds and a few passives, so their opportunity cost is better spent elsewhere.

[lament radish]

I'm planning a build and I take apostacy to turn dodge rating into glancing blow to save points, dodge rating is totally useless, mapping purpose but you can build a better mapping defenses without dodge rating

[topaz schooner]

I don't understand how people still don't know how defensive layers work. There's mitigation layers, avoidance layers, and effective health layers, you gotta have all 3 for good defenses on rogue

just building dodge is the worst possible thing you could do

[lament radish]

then don't build dodge

and invest in other defenses

that work better

[topaz schooner]

dodge is good in conjunction with other layers

[lament radish]

for mapping

dodge won't do anything vs oneshot

[topaz schooner]

uh yeah it does? that's what its for lol

[lament radish]

then why building dodge ?

[topaz schooner]

if you have 60% chance to dodge then 1/3 of the time you're dying to the hit

in a vacuum

most things that kill you aren't even one shots, its almost always burst or dots

[lament radish]

burst is oneshot, DOT you need leech or high hp regen

[topaz schooner]

burst is sustained damage, not oneshot

i.e if you have a ton of leech or health on hit, you mitigate the risk of dying to burst

one shot goes past any and all leech or health on hit, which is why you need mitigation layers to bring down those one shots

MAJORITY of one shots that happen are actually like 2-3 hits that happen extremely fast

like when someone dies to a one shot you can play back the clip and its usually 2 hits that hit them within a couple frames

[lament radish]

most of my death are literal oneshot or DOT when I move then I don't leech

[topaz schooner]

got a clip for example?

i'm not saying one shots dont happen, they do, but they're pretty rare unless you're in the 700-1kc range with less than 4k EHP

What I'm trying to say is you build an EHP pool with t7 life rolls on gear, instead of those t7 damage rolls, because ultimately if you did the math, the difference between a t7 damage roll and a t5 damage roll is likely only a lets say, 10-15% damage loss in your build. This is just like arbitrary numbers but my point is that MOST people overstack their damage instead of investing in defense where the defense rolls start to way outperform their DPS rolls, especially because if you're dead you cant do damage

[lament radish]

no i don't have any clip, but when I die I just check which monster kill me, go on last epoch tunklab to know what is the dmg type or base dmg

[topaz schooner]

So you need a high EHP pool, high life rolls, or ward, you need a high mitigation layer such as endurance for those insane burst damage that happen, and of course you need an avoidance layer, i.e block or evasion. you can't just rely on one

also mitigation comes from LESS damage taken, those are stupid op

and most classes have access to them

[topaz schooner]

tunklab the goat

[lament radish]

when you have to build clever solution and shield on rogue to get competitive in HC... pretty sad

[topaz schooner]

you're not wrong

[desert bridge]

Anyone else looking at a potential channeled puncture build using the new quiver? Feels like adding 60% damage to an already crazy huge crit ability could be very strong.

[topaz schooner]

new quiver is insane

[desert bridge]

My rough math says that maxed out puncture will cost ~130 mana too, which is crazy damage

[nova tide]

How does base crit chance on weapons interact with the 50% Crit -> Falcon passive?

[desert bridge]

I believe it's just like you'd expect. Falcon takes 50% of your total crit chance and adds it to whatever it's crit chance is

IDK for sure though, I've never extensively tested it

[bitter ruin]

How far off from a decent build am I
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qdj66NKo

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Rogue (45) / Bladedancer (10) / Falconer (58)

General:

▸ Health: 1,661, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 102.51, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 2%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 53 Dex / 1 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 70% / 74% / 74% / 74% / 86% / 75% / 56%
▸ EHP: 6,595 / 6,856 / 6,856 / 7,327 / 6,925 / 6,925 / 5,819

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 581
▸ Dodge Chance: 44% (1608)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (665)
▸ Block Chance: 5%, Mitigation: 0% (0)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 126%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 98%

Damage Types:

▸ Cold, Lightning, Physical / Throwing, Melee

Minion Damage Types:

▸ Physical / Throwing, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Shurikens (26)
• Aerial Assault (22)
• Synchronized Strike (22)
• Falconry (22)
• Umbral Blades (24)

Used unique items:

• Traitor's Tongue
• Fulgurite Shard
• Li'raka's Claws
• Razorfall

[desert bridge]

Chakram builds have always been strong

[topaz schooner]

works how you think it does

[pseudo phoenix]

the numbers for that have been unpredictable in the past, maybe the change will throw it out of alignment again. but it should work just like it says hopefully

[nova tide]

Btw how come endurance is "bad"?

[topaz schooner]

Its not bad

[nova tide]

What am I missing

[topaz schooner]

endurance threshold is bad

because health is better

[nova tide]

well yeah of course

but last patch I saw a lot of people just forgoing all endurance

[topaz schooner]

they're probably low corruption

[nova tide]

maybe the new endurance belt changes that?

[topaz schooner]

you dont need endurance until like 500+

like you wouldnt go out of your way to get endurance early on since damage is king early on

you get plenty of mitigation layers you dont even need it while pushing corruption and leveling

but you should definitely farm endurance uniques with LP for the swap to endurance gear and more defenses over damage once you push 500+

so yeah tldr its not bad, just not needed until later and most likely the people you're watching are fairly early in progression

[nova tide]

well no I mean i've seen

people 2-10k corruption forgoing all endurance

for just dodge basically

dodge / life / reduced damage

[topaz schooner]

they're just good lol

or they have like a stupid amount of other layers of mitigation

because ultimately its just a mitigation layer thats pretty easy to get through uniques

but i have seen people do monos at 1k+ corruption with 5k EHP

they're just built different

[topaz schooner]

do you have a clip for reference? curious if they have their builds linked

[nova tide]

@terse bloom has some videos

And I remember seeing a 10k corruption chinese guy a long time ago

I'll try to find it

[lament radish]

if you have 60% endurance, endurance threshold is better since 1hp = 2,5eHP with 60endu, then look value on affixes

[nova tide]

Well yeah but not better than %health

Or hybrid health

[lament radish]

health% without endurance diminish return is not optimal

i pref to stack endu threshold tbh

[topaz schooner]

have you actually done the math on that because health provides enough threshold lol

[lament radish]

math is simple

[terse bloom]

https://youtu.be/Xy8SUnr4_7Y?si=rCwayGDntXLtzqfb

10/20 necrotic null portent

[lament radish]

60% endu <=> 1hp = 2.5eHP

[terse bloom]

Can stand in 2k harbinger necrotic aoe and just leech right back

[lament radish]

let say you have 1000hp 1000 endu threshold 60% endu, you are same as 2500hp 0endu threshold x% endu

[terse bloom]

May drop missile mastery for finesse them, dropped bleeding heart for omnis and roost for +1 max shadows exalted

[lament radish]

only benefit from stacking hp is when you can get %maxhp to endu threshold

then just scale your max hp instead

thats why i love this shield, you are "forced" to cap your endurance to optimize ur eHP then you gain benefit with extra block

but 60% is not enough to compete vs ward as rogue tbh

[topaz schooner]

ward is pretty op

[lament radish]

ye sadly

even with the nerf

still op

[topaz schooner]

sure but lowering your total health is going to hurt more when you go against dots

[lament radish]

endurance mitigate dot

[nova tide]

yeah I saw

but how come endurance = not worth?

just too hard to get

with those gear choices I guess

[topaz schooner]

I know but i'm saying more EHP wins out against threshold especially since health provides threshold. considering buffed health values you still think threshold wins?

[lament radish]

20% max hp to endurance threshold is not enough to justify to fully invest in health without investing in endu threshold

[lament radish]

on next patch, 200 ward retention is avg gear and even with the nerf, you need 3s to half your current ward (6k here, which is easy to generate with potion)

[silent relic]

I desperately want content now lol

I’m so ready

[terse bloom]

Can get like 60% damage red off red rings/null/new relic/concentration + hp gain off finesse them/hunters spoils/relentless talons when your hp dips to instantly sustain back up. Outlanders tenacity is 15% but that’s not much, +600 (1400ish total ET) at 4k hp. Can’t notice a difference cuz the sustain is so fast. 60%+ sheet dodge + 40% damage red and around 3k hp feels insanely tanky in 2k corr. Could go endurance belt + outlanders tho. Prefer jungle queen with the new belt auto use when full setting for the extra 10 dex and 3 lp is easy to get.

[nova tide]

this does seem a bit overkill

[silent relic]

Is your falconer build functional at all on controller?

[pseudo phoenix]

dive bomb in general works fine on controler but aerial assault is almost unusable

[silent relic]

Damn is the targeting just clunky?

I know the auto bomb is probably not doable

[terse bloom]

No idea

[silent relic]

Fair enough! It just looks very visually pleasing

[pseudo phoenix]

divebomb auto aims so you can just hold it down, but AA travels a set distance in the direction you're facing (not nearly as long as it can go on mouse) so you can't control where the landing AOE is

[silent relic]

Well I hope the controller improvements help!

[pseudo phoenix]

true, i haven't exactly gotten to play it with the new system, i'm assuming wasd will improve things generally

poe2 works really well on controller

[deft horizon]

How far will UB falconer take me? Empowered monos? Corruption? (im asking because i wanna reroll into heartseeker marksman later but i wanna have a strong league start)

[pseudo phoenix]

having the ability to force at least 1 mod onto legendary gear puts the floor at 750-1k corruption for any build, and falconer UB is at the high end

[scenic otter]

Sir, please triple check your calculations. You ALWAYS have min 20% of max hp as endu threshold, no matter what you do.

[rugged pollen]

😂

[scenic otter]

The only way full endu threshold beats health scaling is when your leech is utter shite.

[rugged pollen]

I like his confidence despite being wrong/misunderstand things for so many times

[nova tide]

wait how is 1.5k life vs 500 threshold a fair comparison

[lament radish]

I know that you ALWAYS have 20% max hp as endu threshold, I said that if you have to choice between 200hp and 200 endurance threshold if you have 60% endurance, you should always consider taking endurance threshold, here you just show a difference of 1500hp vs 500 threshold which is totally wrong to my statement

ofc if you get 3time less endurance threshold it's not worth

[scenic otter]

The only scenario where you can even get a chance to get 200 threshold, is on a slot with Flat health, health %, and hybrid health.

[lament radish]

but 200 threshold is superior to 200 health?

[scenic otter]

Raw, yes.
With % health increases one most likely already has, no.

[lament radish]

that's exactly why I said that if you STACK health and max hp as endurance threshold, you can reach a state where health are better than endu threshold

[scenic otter]

For MOST health builds, you'll never reach a state where endu threshold is worth more than health.

Because access to max hp as endu threshold is RARE.

[lament radish]

if max hp as endu threshold is rare, you can't convert ur let say 4K hp to 4K endu threshold

[cobalt mantle]

Even that stat scales off your health, making health more valuable than threshold

Anyway, they got rid of threshold on most items, so thankfully we don't need to worry about it anymore usually lol

[scenic otter]

Image 1: T7 hybrid, control.
Image 2: + T7 flat health from control
Image 3: + T7 Endu threshold from control.
Image 4: + T7 % health from control.

Endu threshold raw, beats flat health, but loses to % health.

So, I don't know what ya'll are yapping about flat endu threshold. % max hp to endu threshold is GOOD, but it's so rare that it's never thought about.

[rugged pollen]

I'll present the math so hopefully no need pointlessly argue about this:
assuming 60% endurace capped:
1 point of threshold makes 1 health 2.5x effective, means it gives 1.5 point of EHP
1 point of flat health gives 1.3 point of EHP(0.8 + 0.2x2.5), becuase you ALWAYS have 20% of your max health as threshhold
does this make threshold affix more valuable? NO - becuase flat health got amplified by % increase health
With just one single t5 %health suffix on non-chest - which is 12%, 1 point of flat health already gives 1.3x1.12 = 1.56 point of EHP - already better than threshold

[cobalt mantle]

The flat threshold affixes have/had higher values than flat health, but it still doesn't take much %inc and/or %max as threshold for health to win out

[rugged pollen]

yeah i'm talking per point, not per affix. you can calculate it out to see if the threshold suffix is worth or not

[lament radish]

"because flat hp got amplified by %inc hp" that's why I said that there are a threshold where flat hp + %inc hp is better... I said it 2 time

[rugged pollen]

and that threshold is almost default no?

[lament radish]

flat hp + hybrid health is 2 affix when endurance threshold by himself is one

[rugged pollen]

nothing to do with hybrid health here

[scenic otter]

I'm using hybrid health to simulate the flat and increased health any sane health build will normally get. If you somehow do not even have that amount from your passives in a health build, then are you really playing a health build?

[lament radish]

What is say is, if you want based on your initial character a better defense, you should stack endu threshold since you don't have enough %inc health to benefit from this base %20HP to endu threshold

[rugged pollen]

🤷🏽‍♂️

i've done what need to be done

[scenic otter]

Which goes out of the window immediately once you get about 20% increased health.

That's very godamn easy

Can be done with a T6 inc health roll.

It's so easy, Necro, Warlock, All 3 Sentinel masteries, All 3 Primalist masteries can get it(15-20% inc health) all from their passive tree.

And every mastery has enough flat health nodes where a single T5 % increased health will boost it past endu treshold's worth.

[lament radish]

200 endurance threshold vs 200 flat health at base 1500 health

wait mb the endu threshold was not updated

[scenic otter]

I did mention that raw flat endu treshold in a vacuum is better.

But that vacuum doesn't exist.

Because no health build will be in that scenario.

EVERY health build would have % inc literally somewhere in their build, because that thing is too good to pass up.

And % inc health boosts flat health, but NOT flat endu threshold.

[nova tide]

just wondering

do all umbral blades spawned from AA hit a single target boss

or is there a cap?

[scenic otter]

Yes.

20 blades? All 20 can and most likely will hit the boss.

[nova tide]

ok then i'm sure falcon-focus for bosses is not needed

the dps fully juicing umbral is nuts

[lament radish]

that require to use 2 suffixe on most of your item

[scenic otter]

What else are you going to do with your suffixes?

Resists which you should already be a decent amount on?

[lament radish]

for example res stacking

[scenic otter]

Endu threshold also currently ONLY exists on belts.

[lament radish]

with strange unique build

[rugged pollen]

😂

[scenic otter]

And no sane person will give up hybrid health in a health build.

[cobalt mantle]

Not get endurance threshold because it won't exist anyway

[deft horizon]

whats rogues defense options?

dont get hit?

[rugged pollen]

armor

GB

[cobalt mantle]

It's just on belts now, right? An item that can roll both % and hybrid health lol

[rugged pollen]

DR

[nova tide]

does this look squishy to you

[lament radish]

lightning res stacking for example

[nova tide]

@deft horizon

[lament radish]

thats niche

[scenic otter]

Any health build will take this when possible.
And we got 3 slots for it.
So that's 15% increased and 50 health on average.

[rugged pollen]

do you even play the game bro

[deft horizon]

im returning from like a year. I remember just building around glancing blows and evade

[lament radish]

ye ofc

[deft horizon]

something change? whats the defensive structure your doing?

[rugged pollen]

can you name one real build that stack resist and not ward/zHP?

[nova tide]

yeah basically glancing blows + dodge + less damage and you're good to go

[deft horizon]

oh we have dr?

falconer UB seems like its going to blow everything up

[lament radish]

@rugged pollen because nobody "invented" the build mean this build doesn't exist?

Poor logic

[rugged pollen]

because they dont make sense?

if noone stack melee damage while building a bow

[lament radish]

then this unique is trash for u?

[rugged pollen]

does that mean nobody invented it?

there's logic to everything you know

[scenic otter]

Image 1: 3 T5 hybrid health and 60% endu, control.
Image 2: + T7 flat endu from control.
Image 3: + T7 flat health from control.
Image 4: + T7 %inc health from control.

Notice how CLOSE the difference is between flat endu threshold and flat health.

[cobalt mantle]

Resist stacking has no relation to health vs. end threshold

[lament radish]

you can't resist stack if you take 2 suffix on most item for hp / hp%

[rugged pollen]

[cobalt mantle]

But what does that have to do with enduranve threshold?

[scenic otter]

You don't need that. You take 3 hybrid health and you're already very close to beating endu treshold.

[lament radish]

because endurance threshold is one suffix vs 2 for hp / hp% to actually beat the endu threshold flat ?

[scenic otter]

And unless you're out of your damn mind, you'll always take hybrid health on a health build.

And this didn't account for passive trees giving you more flat health and %inc health.

[cobalt mantle]

You're missing the point, endurance threshold is outright not an option on any gear slot except belt

In S2 onward

So it's health or nothing

[scenic otter]

Oh my, it was on 6 slots during 1.1

[lament radish]

My statement was for actual patch since you can stack more endu threshold