🐺┃primalist

[crude breach]

any1 tried fire breathing raptors?

[near leaf]

Meh on a good day from what I saw

[mint geode]

@fortyz neck is way too short

[wise leaf]

Aoe is too small, hard to scale, clunky minion behaviour and piloting

Unfortunately

They'd still maybe kill aberroth

[crude breach]

this set is per avalanche cast or per avalanche boulder hit?

if I use avalanche

[mossy coral]

when you crit with a spell you cast a boulder from avalanche (it has 1 second cooldown)

It's per hit

[crude breach]

oh so it has CD

rip

no cheese

I wish I could turn avalanche into fire

[crude breach]

geh still too smol

[naive igloo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWXjkz7P
Making a Sabertooth, Upheaval cold build with lots of leaping and shouting

Thoughts on improvements/ different uniques, ect?
like obviously the resists need to be capped and probs more HP. I'd like more endurance threshold

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (65) / Shaman (5) / Druid (23)

General:

▸ Health: 2,124, Regen: 88.96/s
▸ Mana: 182.01, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 73 Str / 35 Dex / 20 Int / 27 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 52% / 131% / 55% / 50% / 78% / 35% / 35%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 70%, Threshold: 745
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (140)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 64% (4,967)

Used skills:

Fury Leap / Swipe / Upheaval / Summon Sabertooth / Warcry

[high stratus]

you're missing most of the damage in the upheaval skill tree

[naive igloo]

Swap points out of the cold nodes and max out unstoppable strength? Anything else?

[high stratus]

unstoppable strength and brutish engagement and probably 1-2 points in hindering tremors because frailty is really good, I'd take shockwave it helps enormously with clear

I actually have no idea how nodes which care about what type of weapon you're using work with minions using the skill, whether they see the minion using no weapon and do that or still see your own weapon

[raven sluice]

Damn, I didn't think of the fact they might not work

[high stratus]

where do you think you are? #🔪┃rogue ?

[raven sluice]

xD

"I'm a primalist (derogatory)" 🎶

[naive igloo]

Is 1 point in earth armor worth it?

[high stratus]

doesn't work with minions afaik

[naive igloo]

like if the minons cast, i won't get the benefit?

[high stratus]

or rather it only works if you directly use upheaval

[high stratus]

neither you nor the minions will

[naive igloo]

ah so not from minons or leap

[high stratus]

yeah unless you press the upheaval button it doesn't do anything afaik

[naive igloo]

gotcha, thanks!

[high stratus]

the shatter subskill that makes frozen enemies explode is awful, does nothing

you definitely want shallow breath in warcry, the 5s cooldown node

pretty much just a tax on skill points for warcry, it's horrible using it without

iirc if you trigger the usual cooldown decrease 2x a second like clockwork (which is not at all reliable) then you only just beat the 5s cooldown

[naive igloo]

oh yeah I see, I forgot WC had stupid base CD time

swap out heart of rime for the shallow breath tax

[high stratus]

the frostbite stacks on warcry do nothing

yeah

warcry has absolutely no scaling for them, it doesn't gain increased damage with any attribute or have any % more damage on its skill tree

just impossible to make them do meaningful damage

[naive igloo]

Is there a limit on sabertooth's summoned or do they work like storm crows?

[raven sluice]

Doesn't it gain scaling if you make warcry a spell?

[high stratus]

you only ever get one cat

[raven sluice]

Although no more multipliers, 5s CD

[high stratus]

it does good damage though, make sure you take the solo companion stuff in the BM skill tree

[naive igloo]

oh so probably a different hat and swap the passive points to solo companion

[high stratus]

ah and change the belt

if you want to use doom for more melee damage taken by the enemy you need to use the ring

[naive igloo]

ah

Elecoe's Innovation or brewmaster?

[high stratus]

they changed the belt to more void damage anyway so only it doesn't work for anything other than VK now I think

[naive igloo]

Chains of Uleros could also work

[high stratus]

brewmaster probably, there may be a better belt I'm not thinking of

ah you want flat minion melee + spell damage instead of the shared pen affix on your swords

[naive igloo]

what spell do I have?

[high stratus]

and you either build for crit, which you mostly are or frostbite (idk if there's even enough support for minion frostbite on the cat tbh), i'd just forget about all the frostbite stuff

[high stratus]

the minion flat affixes increase two types of minion damage

on the planner you sent you did have shatter on upheaval which is a spell but really minion melee and bow would be fine too, you need the melee for your cat

the other thing is you don't have a way for minions to die to trigger the sword

[naive igloo]

Yeah i pulled points from shatter and that path for the damage nodes we talked about above

[high stratus]

I'm sure there's more to look at beyond that but it's not a build I've played/built before so I can only give general advice

[naive igloo]

I was mainly using the sword for the huge melee cold damage, +3 to the sabertooth skill cause it's cold and give them over a 50% retaliate chance

(i've also already got a 3LP dropped sitting in my storage)

[high stratus]

oh are you trying to deal damage yourself too? hybrid builds never work really

[naive igloo]

I mean swipe

so yeah

auto attacking with my cat, leaping around

[high stratus]

like maybe you could do enough damage for the cold leech on yrun to be okay healing but you'll get nowhere trying to deal real damage with both player and minions at the same time usually

typically stats that work for minions and players are entirely distinct

[naive igloo]

I mean cold conversion on all skills can scale off just raw cold damage increase, should cover the tiger's cold damage and mine?

[crude breach]

I got frailty from exulis!

[naive igloo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM6xwb4P

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (61) / Shaman (5) / Druid (23)

General:

▸ Health: 2,188, Regen: 82.56/s
▸ Mana: 182.01, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 40%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 63 Str / 25 Dex / 20 Int / 27 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 52% / 131% / 55% / 50% / 78% / 43% / 43%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 86%, Threshold: 758
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (100)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 59% (4,220)

Used skills:

Fury Leap / Swipe / Upheaval / Summon Sabertooth / Warcry

[crude breach]

I got dis from market, cheap!

[high stratus]

the left one only increases minions, the middle one only increases your damage and the right one only increases minions again.

Sometimes you get a shared damage affix but that's shorhand for bundling two distinct stats together, there's actually no link between something that just says increased cold damage and your minion's cold damage.

Unless it explicitly says so stats do not affect minions (attributes the minion scales with are explicitly stated)

[high stratus]

nice

[naive igloo]

Running 5 increased cold damage and minion cold damage would be pretty good, plus adding shared cold pen on one of the swords

[high stratus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Sh3y/character/Shred here's a guy playing cold upheaval sabercat at over 1000 corruption

[high stratus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Orangutanz/character/Morik here's another

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ladders/shattered-omens/latest/softcore-1p/corruption/beastmaster/skill=summon_sabertooth+upheaval

[raven sluice]

That julra glove makes me sad. Is there really nothing but attack speed to give saber?

Still looks proper though

[crude breach]

when bees expire does it count as if they died?

[high stratus]

Idk but they die very easily anyway

[high stratus]

Shark aspect gives shred, frailty from upheaval so yeah I guess so

[crude breach]

asking for apogee trigger

[high stratus]

Yeah i got you, 7 bees per 10s are going to be dying to the enemy without investment anyway

[high stratus]

yeah, very rough

[patent dock]

No

[high stratus]

a stiff breeze will kill them if you're not building to keep them alive though

[patent dock]

Oversummoning vines does count, that's probably the most common/reliable method, but bees aren't terrible

[high stratus]

those boots are probably usable for the build too

[raven sluice]

This one is cool, but I'm bummed to see 90% free block, no block affixes to cap, and no block effectiveness

Eyy what. 1.3k corruption to get on ladder? Time to showcase spriggan form companion bleed

[high stratus]

aspect of the boaring to play build

have you got a planner for it anyway?

[raven sluice]

Nah, just not struggling that much on 800c and got plenty of upgrades left

I wonder if you can make a spriggan form maelstrom scorp tsunami bleed

Thornshield scorp to the moon, it mimics your maelstroms and casts tsunamis with giga more multi

[high stratus]

at +200% inc cast speed that 45% chance to trigger maelstrom is less than 2 casts per second

[raven sluice]

Fair

[high stratus]

so you'd be needing to find like +300% cast speed for a tsunami every other second

pretty easy on acolyte with cast speed while cursed idols but primalist doesn't get anything like that afaik

[high stratus]

discord sure is primalist (derogatory) right now eh?

[raven sluice]

Yup

I wrote something on the scorp topic but it was lost and I don't remember it

I guess spriggan form + aspect of the boar is kind of a boring combo

For cold melee primalist, I would probably rather use something like reforged shattered lance + reforged jormun axe/gavel, tbh. As opposed to a staff

[high stratus]

I was just thinking you'd be holding down the thorn shield button while evading every few seconds and keeping track of where the cat is

[raven sluice]

that's what I do yeah

[high stratus]

not entirely mindless ofc but kinda one note

I guess you're using healing totems to stay alive too?

[raven sluice]

nah, vessel of strife and regen

[high stratus]

are you getting the screen clearing moments where the cat triggers a bunch of upheavals?

I'd think bleed/DOT would help with that because stuff wouldn't die instantly

[raven sluice]

idk, I might lack saber AoE

I did get a crash in the triple omen echo

and I was basically just running around spamming potion in a slideshow when I completed it

[high stratus]

yeah I can imagine

you on wings of discord?

[raven sluice]

not yet

[mellow kestrel]

Someone did swarmblade version

[clear ore]

For upheaval (totems)
Does the shockwaves get converted to ice/electric damage?

[near leaf]

Yes

[raven sluice]

I wonder if 2h non-staff phys upheaval is good

It does get 110% phys pen on tree

Could use leviathan carver and remove attack speed scaling, hopefully getting 1.375 APS despite leviathan carver having 0.76 APS

Ugh. 90 LPL on Leviathan Carver

LP2 Jasper's looking more enticing again. But there's more weapons

[near leaf]

Clotho +'Weaver set?

[last widget]

hi guys, any build for Wrath Natural idol ?

[near leaf]

Shatter Totem Werebear lightning 😅

[raven sluice]

Problem is Upheaval deals 100% more dmg, tapering off with range, so Clotho is kinda opposite

[near leaf]

Sure, but Clotho is still solid

You will loose a bit of crit multi

Primal cadence
Sword Catcher
Storm Breaker with lightning Upheaval
Sierpin Fractal spear
Plague Dragon tongue

[raven sluice]

Sword catcher is interesting but also so weird. It scales attack speed, so you don't want the node that removes attack speed scaling, but it's not giga fast either. But the skill lvls are very welcome. I'm kinda thinking a frenzy effect scaling butchers crown sword catcher attack speed focused upheaval could be very good though

Maybe go rampancy + brutality exulis

Plague dragons tongue is another very weird one. It's unique concept is completely lost on upheaval, but it just has so much stats

Super high dmg, significant attack speed increase, some decent crit, and random 75% fire res

[near leaf]

You don't need much attack speed scaling to be beating the no as node

Well, you need 120% combined weapon attack rate x ias

[raven sluice]

Yup

Then you get 120% more mana cost, but sword catcher with butchers crown tries to solve that

Altho I wish it had:

• "Frenzy gives X% increased mana regen (this scales with frenzy effect)"

[subtle moss]

/nvm found my prob...min 3 other totems

[high stratus]

If you have at least 3 other totems when you summon Storm Totem...
have you got thorn totem specialised so that it summons more than two?

[patent dock]

Could always do event horizon if you hate having move speed

[near leaf]

[raven sluice]

Would it be a buff for any use case if dilation capped at 7?

That's when the combined attack speed multi and dmg multi is closest to max

[patent dock]

I don't think anyone uses event horizon on anything that scales with attack speed, at least I haven't seen something like that have any popularity

[raven sluice]

Makes sense

[near leaf]

Shame you can't be a Werebear and have a saber

[raven sluice]

Just for bonuses to minions from werebear?

[lunar jay]

I just realized if brutality works on the shatter totem since it's a sub skill , all modifiers that aren't direct melee DMG increase also work , such as aspect of the shark

I have been playing this game since beta and I still can't fully understand the skill- sub skill scaling relationship lmao

[raven sluice]

Afaik brutality is special. Shark is melee dmg, not dmg with melee skills

[lunar jay]

A buff that grants 10% more melee DMG

Same effect as brutality

I'll just test brb

[raven sluice]

Dmg for melee attacks is a bad phrasing and ambiguous imo. Shark is clear

[lunar jay]

Ok shark apparently doesn't work , numbers are so weird I'm not even sure but 10% will be noticable imo

[raven sluice]

But anyway, I wouldn't have known either if people hadnt told me. Brutality is special in that it only cares if the skill has melee tag and a mana cost, and if it does it gives more dmg as a skill effect (or something) based on mana cost and brutality amount

[lunar jay]

Well that sucks , glacial strike also doesn't work ehhh

[raven sluice]

So other things that count as part of that attack get the bonus. This means:

• Shatter totem gets it from upheavals mana cost cuz shatter totem is a subskill.
• However, if maul had a mana cost and upheaval was free, maul wouldn't give it to upheaval because upheaval is another independent skill

Aftershocks from Earthquake get it from Earthquake. Aftershocks from idols don't get it from like Swipe. I would assume even a 20 mana cost Tempest Strike wouldn't give it to Aftershocks from idols, because Aftershocks belong to Earthquake and if you didn't pay mana for an Earthquake you don't get any bonus to an Earthquake subskill from Brutality. But not 100% sure on this

[lunar jay]

It kinda makes sense

But why the pen does t work , it gives it to the upheaval skill itself , why it doesn't carry over to the spell

[raven sluice]

What pen doesn't work? You using a staff? That would sound like a bug. Also like 60% dmg nerf if it is bugged like that

[lunar jay]

Or actually it does work I do see DMG increase

[near leaf]

For Maul /fury leap forcing your saber to leap and use Upheaval

[lunar jay]

No I mean the shaman passive that gives cold pen per strength for melee attacks

Like the passive isn't bugged the tooltip on the skills almost doubles and I don't even have that much strength yet

The penetration on the skill tree itself does work it is bugged in fact right now in a good way

[raven sluice]

Ah, damn

[near leaf]

It's not the same as brutality
Brutality give More Dmg for melee skill
Shark gives your character more melee dmg

[lunar jay]

If you check the description it literally says the same thing for both , but doesn't matter tested and doesn't work

[near leaf]

It doesn't

[lunar jay]

Ah brutality says melee attacks not melee damage

[lunar jay]

Ok mb

[near leaf]

I have to admit, brutality is very sneaky on the wording

[lunar jay]

I got jebaited

so why this doent work for the shatter ?

[near leaf]

It gives melee Cold pen

[raven sluice]

Because it's a stat, not a sentence

[near leaf]

And shatter is a spell

[lunar jay]

I'm not even sure if it doesn't work the numbers are so weird even when I test with 1 totem only

But like the pen directly applies to the skill how it doesn't affect the sub skills ?

[near leaf]

It's MELEE cold pen

[lunar jay]

I get the spell tag

[near leaf]

Shatter Totem is a spell

[raven sluice]

Cold Pen that applies to Melee dmg. Cold Pen for Melee Skills would apply. Cold Pen for Melee Attacks would apply if we take Brutality as a precedence (thank you whoever made that wording (sarcasm))

[near leaf]

Shatter Totem is getting melee cold pen, but since it's a Spell it can't use it

The stat that's given to your character is MELEE Cold Pen

[lunar jay]

Ah so it keeps it as melee pen damn

[raven sluice]

👍 🤝

[supple sapphire]

so brutality works on a spell subskill of a primarly melee skill?

[lunar jay]

Well that's sad I was about to brag I finally found use for that node xd

[near leaf]

Yes

[raven sluice]

These games are very tricky on wording. It makes sense there's confusion tbh. Even in poe1 there's the meme of "nearby" and "poe players cant read", despite poes tooltips being usually as if written by an autistic lawyer who just read the code and never played the game and lives on Mars

[near leaf]

If the parent skill is Melee, every thing is buffed by brutality
Subskill (even non Melee)
Ailments

[lunar jay]

Meanwhile melee pen doesn't do that , how any of this makes sense xd

[near leaf]

Because it's tagged melee

It's as simple as that

[lunar jay]

True if brutality worked the same way

[near leaf]

Let's say you have an electric car
Esso gas station release a new petrol that's 50% cheaper
Your car isn't getting anything from it because it has the electric tag and not the petrol tag

[lunar jay]

this node also has 0 effect on the damage of the shatter ? i though converting the base skill made same to the sub skills ?

[near leaf]

Let's keep the comparison going
Brutality would be like Esso saying everything in petrol station is 50% cheaper. If you find an electric charger in your petrol station you get 50% cheaper

[raven sluice]

Dmg types and skills types are different breeds. Some things buff skills as a whole, others dmg types as a whole

[near leaf]

This should, because the flat doesn't have a type

It's +2 cold dmg

[lunar jay]

Ik it should but there is 0 DMG difference

[raven sluice]

Brutality cares about the tags on the skill you paid mana for and that any resulting effects are specifically subskills of that skill. Melee dmg is about the dmg type

[lunar jay]

No way bruh I think the shatter indeed doesn't change to cold

[near leaf]

Btw

[lunar jay]

Like all other cold skills do get DMG from this node

[near leaf]

Converting or not, it should increase your dmg

Also don't look at the tooltips they are misleading

[raven sluice]

As a poe player since 13 years, to me it just becomes fully clear when you say "more dmg of skill X". Melee attacks can make sense, but it's way more ambiguous than it needs to be imo

[lunar jay]

I'm not looking the tooltips I'm on the dummy testing with 1 totem

[near leaf]

I mean, I would be surprised the passive isn't working

But shatter clearly convert to cold

It got different visual

And for playing since the beginning of the season

Inc cold dmg does work

So it's cold

[lunar jay]

Idk can't judge by the visuals too many stuff are going on

The passive is working upheaval itself does more DMG when I spec 5 points there I see it on the dummy

It's almost 3k DMG difference for non crits w/o any buffs , but the shatter stays in the same damage brackets

I need to find a spell phys DMG item to test something is wrong here

[patent dock]

Brackets? If you're not getting consistent numbers on dummies, that usually means something is wrong with your test

[high stratus]

what if we had a way to convert avalanche into a melee attaq

[patent dock]

That would be great, even if weird. I'd settle for being able to share type with EQ

[high stratus]

could be a fast combo attaq which does like small-small-large boulders but as melee

[wise leaf]

Brutality works as if you had another node in every melee skill tree saying (skill name) deals x% more damage per mana cost per brutality (capped at 20 mana cost)

It doesn't actually care what damage is dealt, it just only is applicable to the skill as a whole depending on the type of tag it has

(So it boosts ailment damage too for example)

Generic stats always go off what kind of damage is dealt

[raven sluice]

Yup. It really should say Melee Attack Skill, cuz it literally works like a skill specialisation tree node. Even if the current wording shouldn't in fact be able to mean anything else than exactly what it does, I think most people on first read would misinterpret somewhat by default.

[raven sluice]

I think I go back to melee finally. My first (primalist) char was melee but upheaval was unplayable and the other options handshake lvl. Now upheaval seems significantly nicer

I gotta recheck patch notes I guess. Shark got slapped, and idr exactly how much they buffed upheaval

[near leaf]

A lot

[raven sluice]

It didn't look huge.

• 33% more dmg
• save 1 pt if going cold
• you can now go lightning
• hindering tremors can give lightning pen if using unique idol, does it also go cold? Cuz that would be nice
• better AoE nodes
• huge buff if you remove attack speed
• brutality was added

33% more and some niceties I guess? But I was thinking the entirety of it was on the "disabled attack speed scaling" lvl

Without attack speed, you go from 140% of 150%, to 220% of 200%:

• Total before patch 210%
• Total after patch 440%

[raven sluice]

if the phys pen on the frailty node can be converted now, that is very big though

and if it could be converted before, upheaval was better before than I thought

[high stratus]

I don't think it converts to cold

but it does to lightning

[raven sluice]

rip

then you want a staff 😴

well, you dont want a staff, I think

[high stratus]

I'm not sure that phys is a bad choice

well, the cold crit is nice but armor shred is powerful

ofc u need something else that hits to do that because upheaval is slooow

[near leaf]

Upheaval needs 1 thing to be great as melee

It's the shockwave able to shotgun and hit the same target

[patent dock]

Damage?

Oh yeah, that would immediately make it like sunder and it would easily be a strong clearing option

[tawny hollow]

probably my favorite skill in the game, but I always feel point starved with Upheaval, like i need 30 pts or something especially if i want totems or cold conversion

[high stratus]

Shockwaves shotgunning could lead to some interesting builds using shockwave on totems

but not shattering them

Laup could go insane

[patent dock]

Yeah, that would be interesting too

Just shattering them from laup would probably still be better single target damage since shatter is a lot stronger than upheaval itself, but shockwaves from totems would let you get good or passable single target on a good clear skill

All EHG needs to do is uncheck one box

or check it?

[high stratus]

it's certainly got more ADE but upheaval does have an up to 100% more melee damage multi that doesn't apply to shatter and you can usually get more flat melee than flat spell

plus you can shockwave off totems multiple times but only shatter them once

[patent dock]

I'm not sure if that applies to shockwaves either, it's an effect that doesn't automatically inherit and doesn't specify

[high stratus]

oh, well that would suck

[patent dock]

This part doesn't matter for laup unless you plan on doing upheaval totems

[high stratus]

I like how the alt text for that node explains that for upheaval totem it still cares about the distance between player and target rather than totem and target, presumably because it was too annoying to code it to do otherwise

[high stratus]

not for werebear but werebear may not be the best way to play it if you're not using shatter

[patent dock]

Apparently, minions that use your skill trees usually use your mutators with their stats, which seems to be why storm bolts and skele mages scale with your mana and whatnot, just seems kinda odd for this one particular implementation lol

I'm just happy they actually explain something like that in the text for once

[high stratus]

makes sense I guess

[near leaf]

Uncheck

[mossy coral]

it will be too broken, they can't uncheck it this season it has to be next

[near leaf]

No balance changes mid season

[mossy coral]

You mean

[near leaf]

But come on

[mossy coral]

No changes mid season

[near leaf]

Apparently they are considering imprint changes

Considering

[mossy coral]

Or shall I say No changes during season

[lunar jay]

I remember storm bolt werebear being so good before

[high stratus]

fixing destruction engine must be a balance change

[near leaf]

Still is, a bit more clunky

[lunar jay]

Don't think it comes even close to that shatter totems

Also when was rampage not clunky lul

[raven sluice]

I think I wanna play this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVa9zjld

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (63) / Shaman (25)

General:

▸ Health: 2,941, Regen: 3,819.66/s
▸ Mana: 204.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 48%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 169 Str / 30 Dex / 24 Int / 52 Att / 46 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 70% / 68% / 81% / 81% / 98% / 86%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 98%, Threshold: 1,471
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (145)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 76% (8,742)

Used skills:

Upheaval / Summon Bear / Earthquake / Warcry / Summon Frenzy Totem

[raven sluice]

although without rolls set to max it fell apart

[high stratus]

lol even with all that gear you aren't capping the shattered lance set bonus

[raven sluice]

I balanced it to be 10 off in max settings

4% cold dmg shouldnt be worth an affix slot

[high stratus]

don't you need 5000 regen to cap it?

[raven sluice]

yeah, but on max it's 4990

[high stratus]

ah I see, planner was on average when I clicked on it and I thought it was on max

[raven sluice]

yeah

idk why it linked on average, I made it on max

also, one of the idols is flat out wrong mod, it should have 2 aftershock idols

[high stratus]

weirdly LET is saying you get 950% inc from shattered lance instead of just shy of 2k

idk what calculation it's using

[raven sluice]

probably outdated? I think they buffed shattered lance and lowered cap or something

[high stratus]

they did the opposite, it was 5% per 10 regen capped at 1500% or 3000 regen and changed it to 4% capped at 2000% or 5000 regen

[raven sluice]

but if LET is automatically datamined, it not working there is bad news

[raven sluice]

ah

[high stratus]

not like it was too strong tbh

[raven sluice]

it was good for primalist I suppose, that's always a problem

[high stratus]

yeah

[raven sluice]

if it even was, not sure

[high stratus]

the day shockwave is allowed to shotgun is the day upheaval becomes a rogue skill

[raven sluice]

yeah

idk how realistic it is to put all uniques on LP2, all exalted items on T7+T7+T5+T5+T3, and so on, but it's just a guesstimate anyway

Realistically, you get some triple exalts with a high tier sealed mod now and then, if the sealed mod is usable you can havoc the others if you get lucky. If you craft on stuff that didnt hit giga RNG like that, then you can corrupt and try again

win some, lose some

Considering the amount of effort I put in in practice, most items would be quite worse and a lucky one or two might be better

[patent dock]

Pretty sure LE Tools does not account for regen per X effects

in game it does though... well, never actually got around to testing. Logic like this isn't datamained automatically, it needs to be reverse engineered and idk if that was specifically done for this case.

[raven sluice]

Ah, that's a comfort

It seems fun anyway, to use upheaval and earthquake idols

AS idols*

My first char was similar to this, and it was nice but so short range

[raven sluice]

Hmm. I just realised, a ton of thorn shields on bear probably does very high dmg out of the box. Clear isn't great but it works. T-rex is an option on like all primalist minion builds, and there's a corruption to apply block effectiveness to damage over time

That could probably push a lot of corruption

[woeful coral]

Anyone do lightning wolves last season? If you did can you tell me the buff from t-rex is that actually good while stackng lightning melee/attunement or was it more likely used for +2 skill points?

[high stratus]

I think Whetstone Gavel is generally seen as the best primordial for that build

so you can get basically three T7 melee lightning affixes

[woeful coral]

yeah the relic tho? I slammed one of those tempests and got a t4 37 melee which is adaptive so has over 100 melee lightning on one of them 😄

I mean if that mace is best then that stupid trex, i dont need it?

would need a nice lp2 slam of that mace tho

[high stratus]

I don't think adaptive helps you because it's looking at your stat sheet rather than what the skill you use to trigger the helmet effect does IIRC

[woeful coral]

hmmm oh yeah i didnt think like that

dang it

[high stratus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A14Kqk1K something like this

[unkempt thistle]

Primalist, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (7)

General:

▸ Health: 1,190, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 144.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 15 Dex / 15 Int / 22 Att / 15 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 18% / 18% / 0% / 0% / 15% / 15%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 238
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 2% (36)

Used skills:

None

[woeful coral]

i did just get an lp4 with some more lp3s guess ill hunt for some beefy axes or tinker with that mace

ah yep but instead of pen maybe minion melee/min spell?

[high stratus]

either one is probably good

[woeful coral]

sweet thanks , if i can get 18 attris thats sexy attunement too

[high stratus]

btw you want to use the solo companion node for that build

[woeful coral]

just one big wolf? not pack?

[high stratus]

if you take permanent bond then you get two wolves not 1

even with solo companion

and each wolf deals the damage of ~3.4 normal wolves

[woeful coral]

okies i was just revisiting an old actiorpg build - i dont do minions often so i def try follow basics

[high stratus]

so you get 6.8 wolves equivalent

[woeful coral]

ok so 2 big daddy wolves

thank you, you're very helpful

[high stratus]

catzy was testing it recently and found that the wording is misleading.

(31% to 47%) chance on hit with Lightning Skills to grant your Wolves additional Melee Lightning Damage equal to your Melee Lightning Damage
This buff lasts 5 seconds and does not stack. This effect cannot trigger more than once per second. The duration of the buff is increased by your increased Shock Duration.

Was working on any hit, not just melee hits and it was applying the buff to one wolf at a time chosen at random (can buff the same wolf twice at the start of a fight and leave one of them unbuffed)

[woeful coral]

i have a friend laying 30+ rift chains every few days so bones n stuff for maces is easy mode ill just pray for an lp2 lol

oh wicked

[high stratus]

so that's another reason to use the solo companion nodes, because you'd need a lot of luck to actually buff your wolves otherwise

[woeful coral]

yeah wow, learning heaps haha ive never found anyone on YT that does minion builds like action and he never min/maxes

now i can use any of the 1H exalts I have i have some great swords I can slot in there since im short on axes and cant dual maces

[high stratus]

yeah not many builds want gavel because it's much harder to get a good exalt weapon than a LP1/2 with decent rolls but in this case the build really benefits from getting a third of that lightning melee affix basically

[woeful coral]

im doing 100s of nems so the exalts are decent hopefully get another 776 sword or axe soon

just going to go run 140 bloodline glades with my friend back in a bit

appreciate you a lot!

[high stratus]

good luck

[woeful coral]

got lucky and hit both the 2lps with that slam so gon' corr one and hope for something magical lol

actually wait, ill slam the lps and corr those then reroll the +10 attris

[woeful coral]

upgraded melee and +16 atts so that'll do

[limpid veldt]

hmm

serpent strike is just so trash

it has so little ADE and multiplier

[near leaf]

Yes

[raven sluice]

Idr what I did yesterday. I should have been making an upheaval

[high stratus]

That's what EHG said

[raven sluice]

Lmao

Today is Valborgsmässoafton in Sweden. We make bonfires to ward of witches and people my age (or at least my place in life atm) often drink a lot of alchohol. Consequently I will stay full time in school, go to gym, work out if I have the energy, take a long sauna, then go home and play LE for hours upon hours.

[unborn mural]

Hey guys
How is Anurok build this league?
I played it last league – couldn't kill UA and then saw it got damage nerf

[high stratus]

They're still in S tier on maxroll but I haven't tested them

[unborn mural]

I think they should get even stronger since we can get tons of +str/dex from the corruptions

[high stratus]

yeah I think with best possible gear they may well be stronger but losing 33% damage hurts at the 1lp t7 stage

[unborn mural]

Yeah 33% seems too harsh 🥲

[wise leaf]

Nah, seems right. They're still very strong

Entirely Uber capable

[subtle lodge]

How’s your season going now @wise leaf?

Did your build get fixed in the end?

[wise leaf]

Ye, swipe was broken for about a week which sucked

But now i'm close to setting up a low life ward variant for scorp nova

[raven sluice]

I like LL on primalist. I think it's underrated

[high stratus]

what kind of peak ward you getting?

and how many item slots does it cost

[subtle lodge]

I’m not sure about it being underrated

I think there aren’t many instances where it would be optimal

[limpid veldt]

damn

thanks to mana rework now avalanche really sucks

previously the combo ladle+paralus was very good

now have to rely on spirit xylem for mana sustain

[patent dock]

Yeah, can be pretty nice, especially the giant more melee damage thing

[patent dock]

Mana rework?

[near leaf]

The transform tech

[patent dock]

Oh hah

[raven sluice]

the season before last one, I had like 6-8k on an avalanche/spriggan form shaman, with frostbite shackles and cold res from totems, took a bunch of slots though

but there's been some power creep, and I'm not sure about what you'd do now

hit 1022c on it at least

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Vinchova/character/VinchThree

but it almost drove me crazy doing the last few shades

[unborn mural]

attun -> dex and its GIGA

[raven sluice]

Triple t7 is pog

[patent dock]

That thing is illegal, 4 LP worthy even

[high stratus]

it must be done

[patent dock]

Well, after slam of course

[mossy coral]

for max roll and the unique for 4 t7

[high stratus]

nah the unique will be +1 all skills

[patent dock]

Can only corrupt once, you can't slam that thing if you corrupt it

[unborn mural]

meh

[high stratus]

[unborn mural]

set to maximum

[high stratus]

that's a nice gain of EHP from the damage diversion

[unborn mural]

I have this one, which I like more bc of all stats

[high stratus]

btw is that stat additive? x% of damage redirected to highest health minion?

[unborn mural]

I guess? but is it possible to get 100%?

[trim folio]

They can do 1k content no problem, even probably up to 2k. But for Uber, you may forget it.

[high stratus]

not but it means getting 24% and 10% from skill tree is like having 34% damage reduction

[trim folio]

Now I made the build in druid, which I suppose is slighly better (the problem, isn't the damage for clearing, but more if you can survive being burst down from nowhere).

[near leaf]

Yes

[high stratus]

100% of it please good sir

[near leaf]

There are very little source of it though

Bm passive tree, bear skill tree and pale ox

Don't think there is more

[high stratus]

yeah you're right

necro can get 10% on passive tree too

it's capped at 75% anyway

[near leaf]

Is that a dlc class? 💀

I might make one actually

[high stratus]

got a build in mind?

[patent dock]

Necro's stat is slightly different, not sure if it's additive

[near leaf]

Fire Aura Golem

It's the only archetype I am interested in for necro

[high stratus]

oh yeah, lowest instead of highest health

[patent dock]

Could be fun, I came really close to making one, but then decided to chase a random meme build instead on impulse

[sly bobcat]

never heard of a meme build in LE

[high stratus]

gonna doom brand your skellies?

[near leaf]

I saw a video in #🎥┃video-shoutout
The dude is doing triple Golem but he is sacrificing vanguard skeleton, that aren't working/supposed to work

[near leaf]

Mage pop maybe

Well, it's on the list

Behind
VK shield Throw
Ignite crow(s)

And I am playing D4 at the moment

[sly bobcat]

OSRS league got me distracted from LE

[near leaf]

I can finally play a psn druid

Just had to change game

[sly bobcat]

bro give me poison entangling roots plz

it has a conversion node. it's good I swear

it's one of like 3 poison spells that get boosted by rotmind

[near leaf]

And you can use psn stacks as resistance Shred!!

150 pen!

Op op

[high stratus]

poison wandering spirits is slept on

[sly bobcat]

honestly the things holding poison and frostbite back might just be how all of their damage boosters are related to resist pen/shred

[high stratus]

poison overload 400% pen

[sly bobcat]

wandering spirits in general is slept on

it's one of the only spell dots that stacks since each spirit deals damage independently

profane veil makes spirits that are revealed inside it deal more damage, channeled drain life makes the spell last until you stop draining life

it has a lot of options

[high stratus]

very point hungry skill tree

[sly bobcat]

yeah if you want to main skill it, you need a boatload of points

I've wanted to build with it and the gravestone for a bit

[high stratus]

doesn't the drain life tech work with dark shackles?

[patent dock]

You might still be able to get infinite wandering souls instances active with enough cooldown on death seal

[sly bobcat]

i don't think so. it specifically says while channeling

[high stratus]

death seal cooldown got made way way longer, doubt it

[sly bobcat]

rotmind honestly feels like it was tailormade for spirits and roots

before warlock and runemaster i think the only three spells it gave levels to were Entangling Roots, Wandering Spirits, and Drain Life

warlock added fissure and ghostflame. runemaster added wall

[high stratus]

chronicle of the damned doesn't play nicely with eternal servitude AFAIK

if a kill spawns a spirit it breaks the spirits doesn't end effect

[sly bobcat]

The whole spell? Eternal Servitude just makes the spell continue forever as long as you're channeling. The individual spirits will still time out

The spell's effect is that you start spawning spirits at a set interval which last a set amount of time. Drain Life just prevents the spell from ending

[high stratus]

yeah I know, afaik there's no effect that keeps specific spirits around forever

[sly bobcat]

I wonder if there's a fire build here with gravestone, fire spirit ring, and fissure

Vlad is gonna bop us for talking acolyte in primalist again

[near leaf]

It's my fault

I started talking about fire Golem

[high stratus]

idk why you'd go fire when poison gets poison overload

& the oh so goated rotmid

[sly bobcat]

lol

ignite overload is a stronger multiplier since it doesn't really have diminishing returns with other sources of pen/shred

poison overload has diminishing returns with its own ailment which is kinda silly

[high stratus]

poison overload is still way stronger

[sly bobcat]

you right, i forgot it was 400%

i thought it was 100% for some reason

[high stratus]

It would be for primalist

[raven sluice]

We all have our rogue and our primalist days. Except primalist, he only has primalist days

[sly bobcat]

bearquake was pgood last season

[winter ivy]

There was also Thicket

[tawny spoke]

I am having fun on the auto aftershock atm

It definitely have the better clearing than any other companion build

Jump then EQ feel so good with divining totem automatically there thanks to laup path

[patent dock]

and frogs

Funny how literally every primalist build that gets any recognition gets nerfed guaranteed in the following patch

[wise leaf]

looks at aspect of the viper yeah, it is

Hol up

you what

This is absurd

You're telling me that warlock essentially gets better aspect of the viper in full, poison chance and pen/damage bonus take into account

As a 5 point node bonus

[patent dock]

lol

huh, neat corrupt, even though it's not really helpful for my DOT build

[mossy coral]

Acolyte gets way better stuff yeah but that nova just applies some stacks with a cooldown, its alright I guess if you have the points

[wise leaf]

It applies 500% of your poison chance and the overload gives 400% pen

It doesn't state any cooldown

[mossy coral]

It does

Wait, on what nova were you looking at?

Because the one in AoD has a cooldown

If you're thinking of the one triggering from poison overload that has a 12 seconds cooldown (will be a bit longer in reality) until it can hit again

[sly bobcat]

tbf those poisons aren't boosted by any skill trees

i think Aura of Decay makes those novas too but Aura of Decay has like, 2 damage modifiers to it and one of them requires you to stand still for 2 seconds.

[sly bobcat]

hey you've got a fallback item for if you end up wanting to do some kind of crit rogue/spellblade

crit serpent strike time

unironically, they should give swipe dexterity scaling

[patent dock]

Yeah, I'm not mad about it, and it didn't brick and technically is a slight dps boost lol

[patent dock]

If primalist ever gets a decent dex-scaling melee, we'll run mourningfrost bane of winter shattered lance

[sly bobcat]

i just realized that every class has at least one thing that scales with dex

BM minions + Serpent Strike
Harvest and Flay
All spellblade stuff
Rogue
Throwing Sent

[patent dock]

Yeah, that's why dex is the only attribute other than vit that has no class requirement

vit is weird in its own way

[real saffron]

Yeah, Acolytes have quasi scaling on Vit.

[sly bobcat]

even that is pretty new

Outside of Void Knight specifically, Vit is pretty much a defensive prefix

i guess now it also gives frenzy scaling with the alt-effect so it has more application to more classes

[wise leaf]

I have realised why primalist has so many stupid mana costs

Primalist is costed based on power fantasy

Not actual power

[sly bobcat]

tempest strike's mana scaling node would unironically be really fun to play with if the base skill didn't do fkall damage

I like slam builds where you do one or two gigantic hits every second

[near leaf]

What do you mean, you get 2 hits with 1 skill. It's op

[sly bobcat]

it's basically a VK echo without having to be VK

and guaranteed

[high stratus]

EQ triple slam 2s cooldown is dangerously based tbh

kinda clunky but it feels like too much power for primalist to wield without wearing trousers

[near leaf]

Can't wait for it to get nerfed to 4 sec and you needing to stack 10 stacks of earth armor to be able to use it

[raven sluice]

And then it only has a 20% chance to trigger on crit, while giving 40% less crit chance

[near leaf]

"balance"

[raven sluice]

Primalist balance ™

[high stratus]

Is there anything which gets enough crit chance and hits enough to make soul gambler's fallacy work?

seeing people try tsunami makes me think stormbolts getting crit from maelstrom stacks probably isn't it

just really tough to keep enough maelstroms up

if you're doing that you're not generating the volume of hits for 15 ward on crit to offer good ward gen

[wise leaf]

prolly not

[high stratus]

Avalanche in multi target scenarios could hit most of the stuff on screen 13ish times per cast maybe? Probably not enough crit chance though

[limpid veldt]

interesting

in the corruption ladder

literally all people seems to use frenzy instead of yulia stuff for bearquake now

only reason I can think is earthquake is considered a companion ability

so double EQ

right?

[limpid veldt]

btw for frog build

which I better

scales of lemniscate or dual naal's tooth?

[wise leaf]

no

it refreshes roar, which refreshes EQ

i believe

oh whoops

nvm got mixed up between bear roar and warcry refreshing EQ

i mean

frenzy totem gives 45 flat phys and a stronger frenzy effect

• bear roar refresh

[sly bobcat]

it's also less annoying to maintain than yulia

[wise leaf]

ye

[limpid veldt]

why does roar refresh EQ?

[wise leaf]

yeah nvm as i said

i got mixed up

between bear roar and warcry refreshing EQ

[limpid veldt]

one more point

frenzy gives better EQ dmg at the start of the fight

[wise leaf]

but yeah EQ isn't considered a companion ability

companion abilities are specifically the thing which replace your summon skill

when you summon the companion

[limpid veldt]

and it is actually easy to mess up with maelstrom tbh

you sometimes forgot to cast it or cast it too early

[mellow kestrel]

That corrupt is awesome for totem smasher Druid

[raven sluice]

The best way to use your totems is to smash them yourself 🤔

[raven sluice]

Primalist seems a bit painful to scale necrotic except possibly on saber, and even then you basically just lose pen as a scalar since half is still cold. Adaptive dmg seems like a big advantage over necrotic

[high stratus]

just noticed that maxroll added shatter totem werebear to S tier

[raven sluice]

Damn

Vlad in shambles

[near leaf]

😭😭😭

[high stratus]

Pvt. "metaslave" Vlad

[patent dock]

RIP

Vlad banned from all class channels except rogue now

[sly bobcat]

Time to level a furnace forge guard as penance

[patent dock]

I'm not sure that's severe enough... I'm thinking cinder strike or maybe even ring of shields.

[near leaf]

Fire Aura RoS

Pog

[high stratus]

Plague/Spreading Flames min-max

gotta get Aberroth down with more than half the damage being from one of those two

idk if that's even possible tbh

[patent dock]

I might do that one just for funzies

[high stratus]

aura of decay main damage skill?

"it's basically righteous fire"

[sly bobcat]

hol up now

i feel attacked

it's justified, but still

[high stratus]

I wish they were better

Imo witchfire would be so much better as spreading flames & plague with grimhilde's domain adding scaling to them

[sly bobcat]

that would be pretty cool. or at least some warlock specific scaling for either of them

hell I'd take lich scaling for plague since it has a lot of poison specific stuff

[high stratus]

Maybe poison overload could make plague deal more damage per stack of poison inflicted to anything recently

[sly bobcat]

witchfire is at least interesting since it's another necrotic dot to play with. i mentioned it in acolyte chat but I'm so sick of Aura of Decay being the best free damage modifier you can get on acolyte

and necrotic is the only damage type it doesn't affect

[winter ivy]

Does Totem Shatter work with the Cold Damage per active totem idol or do the items get destroyed before it applies?

[patent dock]

Might need our resident metaslave Vlad to answer, but in theory it should work for maul at least. I think upheaval is created after the totems are, so you should have all your totems active at the time upheaval calculates its stats.

Should be easy to test tho, I just don't have a handy setup for that atm

[limpid veldt]

Hi guy

is bleed squirrel the strongest bleed minion build?

or are bleed bear/sabertooth better?

[patent dock]

Bear is best afaik

[limpid veldt]

I also want to ask

for frog

if I have the "increased area for area skill" affix

and then use the julra gloves which apply your stats to minions

does that make the frog deal more dmg?

[near leaf]

Oof

[near leaf]

The Totems are created at the time as Upheaval
So no you this one doesn't work

[winter ivy]

I kinda figured, woulda been nice tho

[near leaf]

However if you have a summon Thorn Totem idol and a Spell Dmg with a Totem idol, you can use this one

[sly bobcat]

my man was already down and you just gotta hit em again

[limpid veldt]

btw anyone?

[wise leaf]

I believe so

[limpid veldt]

well need to ask the dev

[patent dock]

I simply do what must be done

[limpid veldt]

unfortunately the devs said no

[raven sluice]

Damn, that just seems weird. Gloves just say minions. Frogs do scale with like minion life right?

[limpid veldt]

idk

for me it should work but Mike said no

the thing is, I want to apply both "area for area skill" and "minion area and dmg"

[high stratus]

they aren't actually the same stat so I kind of get it, but it is annoying

reading area so many times makes it look like a very strange word

[limpid veldt]

but well it failed

[wise leaf]

Aaaah right it scales off your "minion" version of the stat but the gloves give your minions the general stat directly

[high stratus]

and they can't even benefit from area increases at all so I guess it does absolutely nothing unless EHG implemented that no area scaling in quite a strange way

How is the bleed saber going?

[raven sluice]

Jamais vu. I get it all the time, prolly cuz I hyperfocus left and right all the time, got probably "low dampening" and possibly high neuroplasticity (if that's even a variable thing)

Easily induced tetris effect and visual snow over entire field of vision should imply low dampening + high plasticity. But most of the source is ChatGPT so /shrug

[high stratus]

is that based on predictive processing or some other model of cognition?

[raven sluice]

I misread, I guess the special area mods interaction is different

[raven sluice]

Not sure, I just asked a bunch of questions to ChatGPT about stuff like mirroring my own movements with left/right hand when using right/left hand + a general personality description, and one of my favourite streamers on science (Anton Petrov - whatdamath) did a video on visual snow. I should read up more on the subject

[raven sluice]

I'll ask ChatGPT to elaborate on this message 😎

Hmm. I need to read more on predictive cognition. Sounds like the prediction part is basically very close to your mental preconfiguration and then stuff is just slotted in, which is relatively close to how I actually subjectively experience things

[limpid veldt]

hmm

turn outs mourningfrost, apathy and madness are actually very good for avalanche build

[high stratus]

how are you stacking dex and attunement and int?

[limpid veldt]

corrupted armor+exulis+shattered worlds+2x red rings

that should give 14+20+10+2x5+7+2=63 int at max value (2 is completed quests)

and also 63 attunement at max value

and 56 dex

but I can even stack more dex and attunement in other prefixes

63 madness is sufficient

that's a free t7 crit multi

dex and attunement are the important ones that I stack to the moon

[raven sluice]

All attri is cool. Foot of the mountain, peak of the mountain, <body armor> of the mountain, legends entwined, all come to mind

Ah, foot doesn't work. Legends entwined struggles when you don't have free slots to reforge. Weaver ammy would be cool but exulis has monstrous all attri

Peak of the mountain seems good with apathy LL. Core(?, the body armor) of the mountain has big all attri but usually doesn't cut it afaik

[limpid veldt]

cannot do peak of the mountain

at least I need leech

and also need spirit xylem so legends does not work

[raven sluice]

Ah, rip

Unfortunately Core of the mountain is much less common than Peak/Foot/Face, in my experience, and it has LPL80. If it had been an easy LP2 and potential LP3 like Foot or Peak, it would have been interesting to try to get a nice slam and corrupt

Also, I thought it went to +14 all attri, but apparently it was just +10

[unreal mesa]

Does Spirit Xylem staff stats work in Spriggan form? The less dmg taken while below half mana etc

[near leaf]

Yup

Rage is orange mana

[raven sluice]

I just realised it seems very possible to make companions immune to dmg with aspect of the boar

no, I just messed up in excel

[near leaf]

You need what? 233%?

[raven sluice]

yup

I'm swapping idol altar, I got these numbers atm

[unreal mesa]

Branch or Xylem for cold spirit thorns?

[raven sluice]

damn, nest is prolly better

without BM nerfs, it would be immunity

or crash the game maybe

[near leaf]

Frostbite or cold crit?

[unreal mesa]

I am aiming for crit. Is there a big difference between the two?

[near leaf]

You don't go Xylem for Frostbite

Frozen ire is too good

[unreal mesa]

And for crit?

[near leaf]

Xylem can be good

I was considering dual wield

Xylem is nice because you get a lot of pay off for Att

[unreal mesa]

I was thinking of using weaver gloves and mountain boots

[near leaf]

Blood mages imo

Or you'll be too tight on flat crit

[unreal mesa]

Is the crit that important

hmmm

[near leaf]

I mean being crit capped is at least 100%More Dmg

[unreal mesa]

You dont think ill be able to reach it with 86 % inc crit chance on weaver gloves?

[near leaf]

Would have to make the math

But it will be harder

And also blood mage are good defense

With the delayed dmg

[unreal mesa]

How is the LE pob doing

So annoying that theres not a stat sheet for skills

[near leaf]

Check reddit, there are 2 versions now

[near leaf]

Nothing a pen and paper or excel can solve tbh

[unreal mesa]

It can yes, but why not just add a statsheet for skills

namsaying

[near leaf]

Yeah, would be easier

[mossy coral]

The pen and paper is mightier than Tempest Strike

[unreal mesa]

how good is prima with ward? I have 4.8k hp atm

[near leaf]

I deal more dmg with a pen than with TS

[unreal mesa]

How about the new set amulet? 1 %crit chance pr 40 total attri

with that it should be enough

[near leaf]

It helps a lot indeed

[unreal mesa]

BEcause I honestly dont see any other amulet I

I'd use

I want to use orians eye on all chars, but I never do. It seems so good, yet I am not equipping it at the end

[near leaf]

It's very niche imo

[unreal mesa]

Oh, playing hardcore only. And I dont play op/broken/meta builds, so abberoth farming is not something that I calculate in when theorycrafting

So yeah it's either the new set amulet or +2 all skills corrupt amulet. But that one has 5% more dmg taken

[near leaf]

Weaver amulet is really nice

And since. You are going to stack attunement, youll get a lot of +lvl and Flat yeah

[unreal mesa]

Weaver amulet is in a same position as orians eye for me. It looks good, but I never equip it

But I guess thats why I die in hc. I dont have the reduced dot dmg on amulets

Rings I was thinking Flames of midnight since spriggan doesnt have traversal/movement skill

And red ring/ocearon/phantom crip

grip*

redring with the new set amulet is basically 1 % crit chance, half of phantom grip, and lose the implicit crit though

0,5 % my bad

Gain ms which again spriggan doesnt have traversal skill, and all res/less dmg taken

I guess itll be red ring or phantom. Ocearon doesnt seem to stack up

[near leaf]

I love Silva frond

I can't imagine playing a Spriggan without it

And then RR yeah, especially if you are HC

[unreal mesa]

Oooooh I have never seen that it turns into tp

Legacy or brewmaster?

almost seems legacy if 3lp with good slams, otherwise brewmaster

[raven sluice]

Brewmaster is very printable, but maybe it's still easier to craft a good legacy? Brewmaster is very strong out of the box though

[unreal mesa]

I have a 2lp brewmaster with t7 %hp and t5 hybrid hp and a corrupt which I forgot what it gave

well its on my "main",. not sure if I wanna take it on this and die with it xD

[raven sluice]

xD

[unreal mesa]

Had 5 more 2lp brewmasters

I guess time to slam

[raven sluice]

Isn't legacy just mainly making it so you don't need idol enchants plus giving some res?

Though omen idols make it so maybe gearing for spriggan without legacy is painful

[unreal mesa]

it had quite a bit of armor, which I like

but what enchant?

[raven sluice]

Rage per second, idk if you need that

[unreal mesa]

I have 3points in reduced rage decay and no decay if out of combat. And rage gain on crit

since I am druid

[raven sluice]

Ah, fair. I never played a druid much. That sounds OP

[near leaf]

Depend on rage sustain imo

[unreal mesa]

I sometimes have more fun theorycrafting a build than actually playing

😄

Oh, do you wanna use roots of vithrasil boots?

Hmmmm

stationary, not a fan of that

Might be hard to activate RR without mountain boots

[unreal mesa]

I am druid and have rage on crit. As I have never played this build, I gotta test out how it all fits together 😄

I suppose Soul of the Mountain as the relic piece

[near leaf]

Yup

[raven sluice]

this spriggan build, is it powerful?

[limpid veldt]

@raven sluice just wonder, if equipped with optimal gear, do you think there are any bleed minion build could deal better single target bps than frog?

[near leaf]

Don't think they are good sadly

[near leaf]

Not sure
Frostbite looks decent

[unreal mesa]

No clue. I jsut heard some people are playing it, and I had a level 84 primalist that I didnt know what to do with

[near leaf]

Crit idk

[raven sluice]

I have no idea how much frogs deal, or how far bleed companion spriggan form can actually get. I got the impression they can probably do ridiculous damage though. If you consider every bleed stack 53 flat dmg, and boar effects penetration with bleed making up for crit multi, as well as various sources of bleed duration also making up for crit multi, and then consider that you can probably get like 15-40 thorn shields which is 750-2000% extra bleed chance, it gets kinda wild

hit also got sunder armor

Basically, either setup will have maybe 1000-3000% inc dmg on character.

Spriggan form thorn shield:

1. If we guesstimate bleed chance to 1400% total, that is somewhat related to 14 * 53 = 742 flat.
2. Thorn shields will give another 750-2000%, say total of 2000%+1400% = 3400% increased. That's a 35x multiplier giving 25 970.
3. With giga stacked boar and some weapon mods you can expect maybe 300% physical penetration for bleed, and maybe 200% increased bleed duration. So that's (1+300%) * (1+200%) = 4 * 3 = 12x multiplier, ish: 311 640
4. Then you account for chassis of the minion and solo companion nodes, local multipliers on skills the minion uses, amount of hits, etc.

Crit:

1. Crit solo companion might have like 400 flat?
2. Say 2000% increased, that's 21x -> 8400
3. Say 700% crit multi, that makes 58 800
4. Say 50% pen, that makes 88 200
5. Say a bit over 80% more from sunder armour: 160 000
6. Then you account for chassis of the minion and solo companion nodes, local multipliers on skills the minion uses, amount of hits, etc.
7. If playing bear, you reset Earthquake which is it's strongest ability, all the time. I don't know how much dmg that gives, but it's easier to do other stuff while resetting bears cooldown than constantly just casting thorn shield as fast as possible. Bleed beastmasters can however scale Aspect of the Boar to the moon, which gives absurd tankyness to you, and your minion should be almost immortal with good gear, while Aspect of the Boar is also scaling your damage.

ah, wait

there, fixed it

[unreal mesa]

Where do I get cleanse for spriggan druid?

other than belt

[limpid veldt]

hmm, guess I will try bleed bear

[raven sluice]

can maybe do bleed saber

[limpid veldt]

@raven sluice do you still have the old bleed bear link?

[raven sluice]

but be aware you run around and cast thornshield on a moving target

[near leaf]

Eterra Blessing on shield Thorn?

[raven sluice]

I dont have a planner, just my char. It's saber atm, idk if I should go bear or stay saber. Can't decide https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Vinchova/character/VinchThornburst

820c is not super hard on it at least

[unreal mesa]

how do you use eterra blessing in spriggan form.

[raven sluice]

my gear is nowhere near finished btw, I got like no dmg etc

on the char that is, it does dmg though

[near leaf]

EB tree

[unreal mesa]

Lol. I Was looking at spriggan form to see if thorn shield casts eterra blessing

ty

So then Spriggan Form, Maelstrom, Thorn Totem, Eterras

Summon Spriggan or entangling roots as last skill?

can a spriggan summon even stay alive? I do have an idol that it gives a chance to heal it to max. But is that even enough

[near leaf]

Spriggan

Imo

Roots will consume all the vale spirit

[unreal mesa]

aaah

[near leaf]

Tanking your dps

And there isn't a benefit for it

Like you can get cold Shred, but you can have it on blessing instead

[unreal mesa]

I see

is the shred an idol?

[near leaf]

Blessing

[unreal mesa]

Yeah. I was thinking blessing as the eterras blessing skill

[unreal mesa]

this seems like a fun build though

[raven sluice]

man, this thing can kill uberoth

I got him to second harbinger on second attempt, took me a while to realise most of the ground effects didnt do much on me

or well, I dont have a cull, so last phase might be hell

[near leaf]

Bleed bear Spriggan?

[raven sluice]

bleed saber spriggan

atm

though bear might be better at bossing

or better overall, but harder to gear

[near leaf]

Why would it be different?

You got the same scaling

[raven sluice]

it needs to put 15 pts in shaman, bear drains your rage and youre a beastmaster

[near leaf]

I was not thinking bear EQ

Just bear Swipe Thorn burst

[raven sluice]

bear EQ is still big dmg for bleed

I think if not EQ, I'm not sure bear has a higher baseline dmg

[winter ivy]

There any potential for a lightning spell bear? It's got spell EQ and thorns.

[raven sluice]

one bear EQ every 6s deals like 75% of sabers total dmg during those 6s, assuming you didnt get any minion attack speed at all

[near leaf]

Thorns doesn't convert sadly

[raven sluice]

I didnt even calc swipe and thornburst, just concluded that bear is higher baseline dmg but hard to gear

[winter ivy]

Dang, and there's not a good way to get lightning spell damage on the bear either

[near leaf]

Str Stacking +'the passive for Companions

Maybe you go aspect of the crows

But you aren't solo companion anymore

[patent dock]

Did you test it to see? Because visually it definitely does turn lightning

[near leaf]

Oo

I just went with what the node said

You know, I trusted EHG 😅

[patent dock]

[winter ivy]

Maybe I'll keep working with the Bear then. I'd been trying stuff out with my Laup Thunder Totem Shaman. Crows definitely juice the totem better though.

Might pivot back to Beastmaster, but Boardman on Shaman might be a nice way to buff up Bear attack speed

[unreal mesa]

@near leaf I deal 0 dmg with Xylem staff. Wonder if I should swap, or does crit not scale well enough

only in 100 corr

[raven sluice]

Man, for a while while fudging math I thought BM spriggan form companion bleed could do like 3k corruption comfortably

Though on mediocre gear uberoth seems doable which is nice

But you take like twice the dmg I thought, and companion takes like 8 times

[patent dock]

You don't need to be shaman to use boardman, and you probably need to be careful with the sceptre affix since getting it too high will prevent your storm totem from ever casting anything

[sly bobcat]

will non-shamans just drop an unspec'd totem?

[near leaf]

Do. You have planner if what you did?

[patent dock]

Yeah

[winter ivy]

Using Shaman was more about whether or not I wanted to get value out of Storm Totem or just focus entirely on the bear.

[high stratus]

boardman doesn't work with GS and storm totem without GS is not terrible but not really good enough for endgame afaik

[winter ivy]

ah, I didn't realize that GS would prevent boardman's effect

[high stratus]

I don't think it prevents the effect but it breaks the targeting

if you use boardman with GS spec totem the totem breaks and it's remarkably hard to get it working again (unequipping the scepter, changing zones, even closing the game and re-launching doesn't reliably fix it)

[patent dock]

It does also prevent the effect

I figured out what exactly breaks it, it's anything that modifies storm totem's aura that disables storm totem's storm bolt

[winter ivy]

What's a good affix level for boardman's sceptre?

[high stratus]

tier 2 I think

[patent dock]

so you can safety use boardman's reforged set pieces without it breaking storm totem targeting, but you cannot spec either of the nodes in storm totem that apply to its aura

and to reset it, you need to unspec/remove everything that modifies the aura

[high stratus]

you mean like allies gain lightning melee damage and lightning res stuff?

[patent dock]

yeah, exactly those nodes, or any real boardman set items since they all modify the aura, too

[high stratus]

ewww why does discharge/lightning nova only have 120% ADE

[patent dock]

but even if you do it safely so that you can have reforged boardman set + storm totem casting storm bolts, the storm bolts don't apply any of the boardman set on ally hit effects

[patent dock]

It's literally the mage skill lightning nova, so it inadvertently got a buff when they buffed ele nova in 1.2 lol

if they ever make ele nova hit damage actually good, then storm totem pop might be very good

[winter ivy]

Still a bit of a WIP: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKgOql3G
Idea would be to leap in and let bear slam some EQ. Hopefully, the spell-dot aftershocks work out.

There's a good selection of idols for the setup. Viper effect might be the better pick, but I figured I'd focus more on the thorns.

The bear (and even the totems) should have a fair bit of attack/cast speed and there's room for a Primordial affix/unique.

Likely not as good as Bleed Bear.

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (56) / Shaman (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,099, Regen: 371.7/s
▸ Mana: 138.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 212%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 106 Str / 15 Dex / 106 Int / 19 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 65% / 90% / 115% / 77% / 97% / 76% / 76%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 898
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (273)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,955)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Tempest Strike / Earthquake / Summon Thorn Totem / Warcry / Summon Bear

[high stratus]

divining totem? Don't think it works for companion's AS

unless bear is different to scorpion

[raven sluice]

I heard the same but just second hand info

Saber can actually make totems, so it could benefit from divining totem. But it cant make earthquakes

[sly bobcat]

bear can make claw totems iirc

[patent dock]

Literally unplayable

[near leaf]

Oof

[sly bobcat]

i fixed it

[mossy coral]

I fixed it better

[sly bobcat]

imagine not keeping the artistic vision smh

[patent dock]

[patent dock]

These swaddlings really wanted void and cold res lol

[mossy coral]

I would've trashed them after I saw 1 res affix

[winter ivy]

Bear EQ Aftershocks do seem to proc around totems with Divining Totem

[patent dock]

More fun this way though

[mossy coral]

WW items are no fun

[patent dock]

They are as long as you aren't actively farming one for your build

[sly bobcat]

disagree, they're fun to guess what garbage stats you're gonna get on them when blowing through your weaver rune pile

and sometimes you get pleasantly surprised

either last season or the season before I had a 21WW ring that rolled T7 eledot, int, and health

[mossy coral]

Nah after 50 ww swords I gave up, it's never fun just annoying and boring

[sly bobcat]

ah see that's your problem. you were farming something specific

[wise leaf]

tbf you can really get a lot of them to drop

i like T7 str and attunement on a dedication and consider that difficult but farmable

[mossy coral]

WW items are a lot better when it's not weapons, weapons just suck

[wise leaf]

yeah

[pastel pumice]

In spriggan form, healing totems no longer get Thorn totem tree benefits?

[winter ivy]

You just need the Spiked Totems passive node in Spriggan Form

[patent dock]

True, the weapons are much more picky on which affixes are worth anything, other items tend to have more generically useful stats... all the weapons came later, and I think they may have forgotten why they made the other items generic.

[high stratus]

Huh, cool

[unreal mesa]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A14l12me

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 85

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (8) / Druid (52)

General:

▸ Health: 4,656, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 844.72, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 44 Str / 29 Dex / 21 Int / 62 Att / 48 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 81% / 94% / 85% / 79% / 132% / 140%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 79%, Threshold: 1,039
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (177)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 33% (1,507)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 76%

Used skills:

Summon Thorn Totem / Eterra's Blessing / Maelstrom / Summon Spriggan / Spriggan Form

[unreal mesa]

I fixed up passives and skillpoints

doing much better now

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5PG4vKx

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 85

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.5

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (16) / Druid (49)

General:

▸ Health: 4,323, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 844.72, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 42%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 46 Str / 29 Dex / 21 Int / 64 Att / 48 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 81% / 94% / 85% / 79% / 132% / 140%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 80%, Threshold: 880
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (177)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,551)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 77%

Used skills:

Summon Thorn Totem / Eterra's Blessing / Maelstrom / Summon Spriggan / Spriggan Form

[wise leaf]

well

my scorp certainly isn't gonna be dying on my LLW setup

ngl

rather awkward thing to hit on the corruption

...makes me kinda wanna redo my belt

[near leaf]

I really don't understand that ring

It does nothing for you

I would grab that in Maelstrom

[wise leaf]

i mean

swiftness isn't haste

[near leaf]

This can be a lot of dodge / endurance threshold with the boots

[near leaf]

Sure but the just go for crab ring

[wise leaf]

oh right

yeah on a spriggan build?

[near leaf]

All Attribute and Armor is better than ward threshold on a build that doesn't have ward

Also I love Silva frond on Spriggan

Having a traversal is mandatory for me

[unreal mesa]

I dont have a silvafrond, it is just temporary

[wise leaf]

Okay got some... usable gloves for my low life ward setup

Just boots to go

It's been weirdly difficult to hit this 2lp slam

But oh well

[near leaf]

Do you have a crab ring?

Also I would consider slamming a lot more attunement

[unreal mesa]

crab ring you lose your evade

then you have 0 movement ability

so its just worse

[near leaf]

Don't you loose your Evade with your ring too?

[unreal mesa]

nOPE

[near leaf]

You get spirit step

[unreal mesa]

int turns into teleport

[near leaf]

Instead

[unreal mesa]

which is a mini teleport

[near leaf]

Random tp

[unreal mesa]

nope

not random

[near leaf]

It tps on a spirit

[unreal mesa]

nope

it tps where you look

with your character, same as evade

[near leaf]

Then it's bugged

[unreal mesa]

yeah a short distance forwards

where you look

not bugged

working as intended

if there are not spirits

[fierce garnet]

I'm trying to push anurok and find some good weapon, but anything above 75 looks like impossible to get with imprinting broken. Or is it? Do you have some tips how to use imprinting to improve chance of dropping 77 items?

I've played 150h and didn't get single 1h sword 77xx, just 76xx, I've put it in imprint but it doesn't look like have any effect, or maybe even makes loot worse

[unreal mesa]

@near leaf just got silvafrond, that tp is fuken massively far

so cool

@near leaf Also looking for a new scurry helmet with lp for crit multi while transformed, eventually also for chest

[limpid veldt]

@raven sluice which skills should be spec in bleed bear?

I can only think of swipe, eq, bear, spriggan

[raven sluice]

thorn totem unless you have a lot of rage sustain from gear

using spriggans healing totems, making them rage totems, making them scale as thorn totems, lower their mana cost and make them tankier or something

and make them give mana on despawn

idk

[high stratus]

rage totems would rob you of your only good source of sustain as a spriggan form minion build

[bronze geode]

Playing offline in the next few day so basically I’m on SSF. Is there any low apm must try build?

[patent dock]

Maelstrom

[raven sluice]

Depends on how you build it. I regen full almost immediately and use vessel of strife

Plus you're not melee. If I get in a bad crossfire of tons of mobs, even in like 800c I see my ward disappear and health bounce at endurance threshold, usually. Plus with giga armor, giga boar, like 1k endurance threshold, 2k life, 2k ward, most of uberoths attacks don't even one shot me

Like, I misplayed pizza slam and kept going. And with enough armor vs dot and so much regen, the ground idk if it mattered much even

That is with like 83% armor and 85% of that vs dot. But idk, I think regen is nice before you have sick idols and take 20-40% something less dmg than I do from having a better aspect of the boar

I might try uberoth more tonight. But atm I'm kinda sluggish, drank a lot yesterday and while I don't tend to get classical hangovers I'm a bit messed up

[raven sluice]

The thing with huge mitigation is some sustain becomes a lot sustain I guess is my point. But if you don't use Strife (cuz Nest gives a better boar than Wings or Legends Entwined), I guess you might need to solve sustain other ways?

But if you solve rage sustain on Legacy of the Quiet Forest (6.667 rage/s) and an enchanted idol with Nest (4.8 rage/s I think? Idk if it rounds), that's 11.4667, and base drain is 5, bear uses up to 5.333. You solve rage. But then I'd wanna consider Inheritance of the Erased. But if ammy is taken and rage is solved, I guess you can make the healing totems for sustain

[raven sluice]

Also worth mentioning. I'm currently sustaining 10+ maelstroms easily. Idk if that's any significant healing but it's something if you get those nodes. Can also maybe get a whirlpool champion amulet

[near leaf]

And the cold staff

It has a bunch of ward per Maelstrom

[high stratus]

10 maelstroms would be 40 health/s before healing effect and whirlpool champion & that staff are only like 4 ward per second per stack

so not much

[raven sluice]

Staff could be interesting. I don't know how obscene the cast speed from ladle+cleaver is, but you're definitely not locked to that. And staves can roll good cast speed right?

Cleaver can't, so 2h staff will have the edge on legendary mod

[raven sluice]

Yeah, it's not huge

Ngl, I'm still on LE+cleaver+ladle+vessel. I know this works, but capping out on like 47% increased aspect of the boar effect is just so wasteful, compared to what you could achieve gearing further

Or I guess 47%×1.5 inc boar effect

Wings can easily make it 47%×2.5 inc boar effect. But you suddenly need weaver ammy reforged if you wanna use weaver set bug. You lose 30str from last bear. Lose skill lvls

[raven sluice]

man, I want primordial items, but my weaver faction just isnt moving, and I could buy like 5+ 5k weaver juice

Wth, I'll buy 8. That's 12k bones for 40k weaver juice and rep, and another 40k rep on spending it

[raven sluice]

Last phase is kinda rough on Uberoth, ngl

[sacred solstice]

Any good primalist build for beginners?

[near leaf]

Shatter Totem Werebear require 1 or 2 very commun uniques
So easy to start

[sacred solstice]

It's seems need find red ring to progress this build

[near leaf]

...
How about you look at starter gear

And not endgame

The only piece require to make the build work is Laup's

[sacred solstice]

Ow, so it's not mandatory

[near leaf]

Red Ring is never mandatory

It's always really nice to have

[raven sluice]

Hmm. I need to use bloodmage I think

I don't need the crit, but tankyness.

[high stratus]

good meta call

[raven sluice]

Vlad is gonna have to play spriggan form companion bleed to be OP and not a metaslave. And it won't become meta cuz you got no movement skill and just cast thornshields on a minion non-stop

[near leaf]

I'll have to play ignite crows to cleanse myself