🐺┃primalist

[high stratus]

1.2 storm crows with better vessel and snapshot tanky gear swap could RIP in piece

[mossy coral]

Can technically be very very tanky with healing effect but Idk if you'd even have enough damage at that point

[nimble sundial]

Yeah storm crows did 2nd or 3rd clear in HC in 1.2.

Tanky enough to tank slam and also like 100mil dps

[wise leaf]

Fair

Minion snapshotting on crows was silly

God it's funny

[mossy coral]

Snapshot 🚬

[nimble sundial]

The uber kill was like a 2min fight

[vague karma]

Shadow and sentinel gets visual clutter updates, shaman doesnt , lol

[wise leaf]

The one thing that broke minions as a whole and even then

Changed basically nothing for scorp

[nimble sundial]

My one last change i want is just to abom snap shoting stuff removed.

As snapshot is a little gone but not really.

[wise leaf]

Tis what i get for making an ailment build

[mossy coral]

Babyscorpions snapshot

[nimble sundial]

Just go hit based scorpians

We need a node so it can be more than one.

Give me 6 scorpians that each have 3 baby's

[wise leaf]

I don't enjoy the hit based scorpion playstyles

[nimble sundial]

Swipe and trigger nova on all 6

[wise leaf]

I just don't like stack management

No

We don't need every companion being a pack companion

I hate it

It's such lazy design

[mossy coral]

Uber abby: Oh yeah? You and what army
🦂 🐛 🐛 🐛 🐛 🐛 🐛 🐛

[high stratus]

EQ scorpion plays itself at least

[wise leaf]

Nah cos you gotta tempest strike

[nimble sundial]

Ewww melee

[wise leaf]

I wanna move move move not sit in place swinging

[high stratus]

you gotta TS and/or swipe with every build don't you?

[wise leaf]

And its clear is janky

[mossy coral]

Just run and place TS totems, gg ez

[wise leaf]

https://www.twitch.tv/cookbook_ssbm/clip/ProudCourteousReubenBuddhaBar-_NL0oXquDaHaiyuZ

Here's a clip from my stream showing my build clearing

[nimble sundial]

Not on frogs.

[wise leaf]

Tempest strike builds don't get to schmoove like that

[raven sluice]

is it always like this atm? I had it for like 2 cemetaries and 2 tombs today, dont remember having any that worked

[wise leaf]

I think the patch that literally just dropped broke it

[raven sluice]

or wait, I enchanted an idol today

[wise leaf]

Please, bug report it and bring it up directly to derrick in general

So that it gets fixed asap

[raven sluice]

yeah

I brought it up, didnt @ him, but posted it in general

[wise leaf]

@ him, please

Don't just assume he saw it

And will follow up

That's a major bug

[raven sluice]

fair

I guess I just have to hope confluence of oblivion spawns naturally

and then go to the store

and hope it's fixed in like 90 min with some hope

[fervent jetty]

does the fury leap hability also get you guys stuck on cementerys? or its just my luck? XD

[sly bobcat]

yeah i've gotten stuck a handful of times

[near leaf]

Pog buff

Time to play serpent strike I guess

[raven sluice]

LE patched, hopefully I can cemetary now

[mellow kestrel]

Ima follow you buddy y

Do you have updated gear ? Poison dmg looks gooood

[mellow kestrel]

Did you have any luck with that

[high stratus]

Not without cheating outrageously offline to just see if it has any legs

[mellow kestrel]

Did you play it? Sounds good

Oh lol

[high stratus]

Maybe there's some great synergy I'm overlooking or something but it seems not nearly as good as totem shaman

Quite cool to watch though, scorpion really puts belt to cheeks when the procs line up

[mellow kestrel]

Yea I guess it’s a way to play spell dmg eq rather than melee

Plus bear is strong af with eq

[mellow kestrel]

If you make a clip tag me sometime I wanna see

[high stratus]

That won't be happening, I get like 20fps on minimum settings, have to close everything else and it still hangs at times. I just can't do screen capture

[knotty shore]

Anyone playing as Frog? I'm finding mine a bit weak.

[patent dock]

Huh, interesting corrupt, some kind of mourningfrost dex stacking ring but with no dex lol

[patent dock]

hmmmmm

[mellow kestrel]

I got that corrupt on both my rings for totem shatter 🤩 and I’m attribute stacking so the build alrdy has a lot of dex. Worked out nice

[patent dock]

Nice! 😁

[nimble sundial]

Okay I actually want to test a wolf BM build now.

I assume just 2sec swipe now means they always have howl buffs right ?

Im talking just normal hit based wolves not any fancy stuff

[wise leaf]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A83Wzaxy

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (90) / Druid (3)

General:

▸ Health: 3,374, Regen: 260.4/s
▸ Mana: 461.51, Regen: 32.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 30%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 81 Str / 38 Dex / 15 Int / 49 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 77% / 135% / 88% / 128% / 112% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 60%, Threshold: 675
▸ Dodge Chance: 31% (1057)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,684)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 121%

Used skills:

Swipe / Summon Scorpion / Warcry / Fury Leap / Eterra's Blessing

[wise leaf]

Is my current gear

[patent dock]

Yeah, more or less

[patent dock]

RIP

[wise leaf]

how many LP was it?

[patent dock]

Just the one, but it had great rolls

[wise leaf]

grab that dungeon mobs in echos node and you'll have like 5 pairs after 10 echos

[patent dock]

Yeah, that's where I got those in the first place

[limpid veldt]

for shatter totem

I'm not sure how many madness we should stack

because for weapon, it is optimal to go with ladle+palarus

meaning we can't use cleaver

[limpid veldt]

Also, I would like to ask

how do you sustain in shatter totem?

given this is a strength stacking build

and you convert strength to brutality

stacking regen?

[patent dock]

There's not much reason to take palarus, you'd either go with cleaver or not bother with madness at all

Vlad can answer the sustain question better than I can, but yeah you can get a lot of regen from stacking strength. Totem shatter itself also grants health based on your attunement, which may not be super high but is something, and combos with fury leap healing/cleanse

[limpid veldt]

hmm palarus actually grants you quite a lot of spell dmg

if you have almost 200 str then you have almost 100 added spell dmg

and you can also have the 50 added spell dmg for sword affix so in total you have almost double spell dmg (200 initially and +150 added spell dmg for palarus) in bear form for equipping palarus

cleaver grants you 200 spell multi. Unless you only decide to have only lp 1 items and don't care about minmaxing you should be able to have almost 400 crit multi already

for example this guy had 380 crit multi https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Talimox/character/Dontbearme

[near leaf]

I have 400 hp per sec, but you have leech on Crit in the druid tree

[near leaf]

No swipe?

[limpid veldt]

well idk

[near leaf]

Swipe is 35%'More Dmg and 172 crit multi

Instead of roots

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

[near leaf]

Why go cold btw?

[limpid veldt]

I also don't know why the owner did not use swipe

[limpid veldt]

throne of ambition I guess?

[near leaf]

It's not in the planner

[limpid veldt]

oh that's weird

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Suomiy/character/suomiys4o

this guy has it

I thought the whole goal of cold is throne of ambition?

[near leaf]

Yeah me too

[limpid veldt]

hmm, thinking again, even if madness might not be needed, the 20 attribute from exulis is too good, especially for strength stacking

[glad hinge]

For shatter totem you get 400 increased crit chance from passives/skills? Or am i missing something?

[tranquil lintel]

this ring is trying its best to be a minion build ring

[vivid shoal]

this will go well paired with my Jormun

[limpid veldt]

@near leaf hmm, the druid tree actually has more cold supporting nodes like "primodial resonance" and "piercing gales"

that's even more reason for people to go cold

[raven sluice]

Nah, it's just pretending I think. Like "psst psst, look at all my minion mods! surely you want all this 9% minion dmg... and I got minion life too. wdym made in China, look at all these mods and legendary rarity"

[raven sluice]

I wish beastmaster had solo primalist nodes that gave 85% more dmg and size, and 75% more dmg and health

And made summon bear pay the mana cost for earthquake

[near leaf]

But for people trying not to be squishy, it's pretty to grab

[limpid veldt]

wow

shattering totem is actually a very strong build

[near leaf]

Oo

Top 28 druid in corruption ladder

Let's go

Oo shatter Totem is fairly popular in the ladder

[limpid veldt]

well I guess it's a very good build

only problem is that it has slow movement speed

[vivid shoal]

today was a great day

[near leaf]

[vivid shoal]

mmm no, no balls sry

[near leaf]

You have to
This is the law

You are 1 click away from greatness

Think about that juicy "you have Frenzy" mod

[vivid shoal]

negative balls

[near leaf]

https://static.klipy.com/ii/d6b0ce929193df3c242ac34b5654d2ce/48/29/o5g63qlz.gif

[raven sluice]

Fried tears

I do not have gif perms

That gif was fried in my personal discord too, even though it showed as unfried when I selected it

[raven sluice]

This is the way

Average outcome value should always be positive. So if you only have 1, only corrupt if the upgrade outcomes multiplied by likelihood (sum/integral style) is worth more than the risk (same way)

When you have 3, you can corrupt the 2 worst rolls for 0 risk, etc. Unless MG

[near leaf]

Yeah discord doing discord

[raven sluice]

Yup

[tranquil lintel]

is venom nova better than shock nova on scorpion? generally speaking

[near leaf]

Yes

I was so disappointed by shock nova

[tranquil lintel]

is it mostly due to shock being limited to 10 stacks vs poison, or something else?

[near leaf]

No the main issue I had was to get it to 20 Storm bolts stack thingy

[high stratus]

nah you get a pretty nice more multi from shocks but the setup of stormbolts is annoying and the payoff just isn't that great

if you're not spamming nova or maelstroms I'm pretty sure that lightning scorp is just better (but doing neither of those things isn't a recipe for success)

[tranquil lintel]

thankyou, that's exactly what I wanted to know. Shame, lightning scorpion is a cool theme

[high stratus]

I think you can probably do something with triggering lightning EQ on scorpion

but a shaman companion build doesn't sound ideal

[reef parrot]

Once upon a time the only viable build for shamans was summons :p

[high stratus]

totems, sure, but companions are a different matter

[reef parrot]

Well more precisely melee companions

[near leaf]

Oo

[high stratus]

which ones?

[near leaf]

That must have been before my time

[high stratus]

I only remember a few things about primalist from when I got LE, which was when it went early access on steam and that's uh wolves existed and so did thorn totems I think and I want to say that Tempest Strike had no attack speed scaling and was just generally horrible.

I didn't play it for years and years between then and 1.2 tho

[near leaf]

Correct for Tempest Strike

[reef parrot]

But then again it was just shaman being generally bad at the time, best option was to not be shaman and the best damage was frostbite if you were shaman

[mossy coral]

I was a ice thorns gamer and eventually reflect spriggan form 😬

[raven sluice]

In my early days I was a menagerie summoner, followed by LL endurance stacker (didn't know it didn't work), then a friends of the tempest autobomber, then someone told me about aftershock idols

[mossy coral]

Ngl aftershock idols was mind blowing

And they did more dmg than they were supposed to

[raven sluice]

Aftershock idols and pre rework aspect of the shark made 300c easy lul. But it was so slow

Hmm. What amount of rage is drained per second btw? I wonder if I can drop rage totems on spriggan form thornbear

[mossy coral]

5

[raven sluice]

Ah, ty

So quiet forest gives net +5/3=1.67 per second, on good roll

I got 1 per second from idol enchant

[mossy coral]

Well you can also have reduced decay rate which also helps

In the passive tree

[raven sluice]

Ah, fair

Bear casts earthquake like every 2s, and it drains total of 32 rage. So per 3s I lose 32/2×3+5×3=48+15=63

[mossy coral]

Mana gain effects works, so like bluefeather band works with rage

[raven sluice]

Hmm

[mossy coral]

Max roll is 21 mana/3 seconds

[raven sluice]

I just need to pay for bear and if thorn shield has a cost

[mossy coral]

Shield is free, that'd be crazy to have a rage cost

[raven sluice]

Nah, just bear

[raven sluice]

[mossy coral]

Oh from bear?

[raven sluice]

Bear earthquakes

[mossy coral]

thorn shield from bear*?

[raven sluice]

Nah

I'm spriggan

So I gotta pay 21 rage per second

[mossy coral]

Ah yeah then the shield is free

[raven sluice]

Idk if that's possible

[raven sluice]

Yup

[mossy coral]

Forest gives a lot, rage totems can maybe sustain everything but you have to summon them all the time

[raven sluice]

Totems work, but I don't want extra minions

[mossy coral]

Ah, over summon thorn totems could give you rage too otherwise

[raven sluice]

Yup

[mossy coral]

So you don't want vines then

[raven sluice]

I just oversummon if I wanna move them so I can thorn shield bear

[raven sluice]

Preferably not, but there's that movement skill ring

[mossy coral]

Yeah pretty much needed

[raven sluice]

Rip

[mossy coral]

Get some crit, like mountain and use shields or even better, spirit thorns? A lot of projectiles per cast

[raven sluice]

I only have 5 pts in druid. But I guess I might need to reconsider

[mossy coral]

Oh that's a lot harder then, hmm

[raven sluice]

I need 15 in shaman, want so much in BM

[mossy coral]

Too many good nodes, so many takes 8-10 points

[raven sluice]

Yup

But if silvafrond and rage totems are required, idk if this really is the build

[mossy coral]

I think the best would be oversummon rage totems and let them give you rage

[raven sluice]

I just summon them and I'm full

I don't drain that much mana

[mossy coral]

Or that yeah

[raven sluice]

21/s

At max

Idk what I wanna try

[glad hinge]

@near leaf how much cooldown you get on maul for shatter totem? Hesitating between strength and cdr as second boot affix

[patent dock]

That's easy enough to handle with the belt and rage idols

[raven sluice]

Aren't rage idols 3/s max? So I'd need like all my idols to be heretical

Unless nest, I forgot

Or wings of discord

[patent dock]

4 max, and yeah they can be boosted by stuff, even just altar

[raven sluice]

Yup

Ok, then it's very doable

[near leaf]

I am at 1.2sec

What's your 1st affix? Ms?

I would personally go Cdrs +'Str
Or Cdrs +' hp

But ms do feel good

[glad hinge]

Yeah i tried without ms, but a bit too slow for me

Im at 1.7 now

Feels very good with war cry now

[near leaf]

How much Str do you have?

[raven sluice]

Is the shatter totem using palarus btw?

[mossy coral]

si

[raven sluice]

Makes sense

Can GS earthquake compare with it?

[mossy coral]

GS EQ barely works no?

[raven sluice]

Fair

No GS EQ then

[winged swallow]

Cooldown reduction doesn't effect items right?

[mossy coral]

nope

Shatter totem should be giga damage, 400% ADE x6 per maul you do. Pretty hard to beat

[raven sluice]

That's reasonable

Hmm. Earthquake might be good somehow

It still should have obscene numbers

[near leaf]

There is a Cleaver + mad Ladle version

With madness

[raven sluice]

Ah

[near leaf]

Brutality and madness

[mossy coral]

I think the EQ/2 CD is the strongest hit you can do, but GS takes so many stacks to start working, pretty jank I'd say

[glad hinge]

145, but still have to slam some stuff, trying it out with exulis now

[near leaf]

Then ms + Cdrs

[glad hinge]

Allright

[near leaf]

Do you have Cdrs on helmet and belt?

[mossy coral]

And boots?

[glad hinge]

Nah not yet

Is brutish engagement node worth it on upheaval? Seems really good

[mossy coral]

only for melee and not shatter totem

[raven sluice]

Which number is correct btw?

[mossy coral]

Should be 600, it's just text

[raven sluice]

Ah, ok

EQ ADE

[glad hinge]

Do spell damage while a totem is active idols work with shatter totem?

[mossy coral]

Damn wordfeud gamer

Pretty good

[raven sluice]

Problem is just that I don't actually like how earthquake plays. You just shoot a cone with barely an animation covering the screen and you're done

[raven sluice]

For sure

[mossy coral]

Idk the 2s as spell felt pretty good, click the big spell and you kill the trash while you focus on the rare

[raven sluice]

2s?

[mossy coral]

When it's a tripple slam

[raven sluice]

Ah

[near leaf]

Only if you have a summon Thorn Totem idol

[mossy coral]

Claw totem

[glad hinge]

Ok thanks

[mossy coral]

Wait, wth Claw totem scales with attunement but swipe scales with str?
It can use 2 pen/attunement?

[near leaf]

Swipe Totem doesn't exist
It can't hurt you

[mossy coral]

But I don't trust sub skills scaling anymore, it often says one thing and does the other

Or doesn't work at all

[mossy coral]

What if it actually can deal damage

Oh right swipe doesn't get the minion tag.....

[patent dock]

What if TS can actually deal damage?

[mossy coral]

400 pen would be juicy

[potent mesa]

day 5 of hunting a +4 swipe weaver relic with over 100s exposed

still none

[mossy coral]

GL, weaver sucks

[potent mesa]

the very first i got was a 4 swipe and later on i corrupted it now im here

eating my own crap

[limpid veldt]

hmm

shatter totem druid has slow movement speed

but dmg is very good

I think madness is still useful even if we dont stack it

because exulis gives increased area with spell per madness

[high stratus]

shatter totem doesn't have the area tag, does it benefit from that area?

[mossy coral]

I'm pretty sure it does

[potent mesa]

trying to craft a wep for my coming bear and this is not stupid lol

actually this is no longer a exalted item right?

USELESS

[near leaf]

Yes it does

When you get a cascade/aoe shrine it omega

Wtf

Why can I use emoji from other server?

Isn't that a discord nitro perk?

[tranquil lintel]

yeahh

[ornate scroll]

They didn’t fix the animation thing with swipe and gathering storms I take it

[mossy coral]

It is

[raven sluice]

Set items can be fun for harmony lvling. They can even be magic afaik

Kind of being the point 😅

[potent mesa]

FIVE DROPPED FROM A CHEST THIS IS IT THIS IS THE SWIPES

I ACTUALLY CREAMED

[vague karma]

Yo guys, what you do think is better? crit or dot? for tornado spam.

[high stratus]

for stormbolts?

crit is usually the choice

[subtle lodge]

Was about to say

Crit is almost always better if you have the choice

[ornate scroll]

Corrupt it

[cosmic ruin]

Does the Poisonous Seeds node count as a hit? E.g. if I have a chance to bleed can it inflict bleeds? (Entangling Roots)

[raven sluice]

is there any non-tornado, non-frog, non-shatter totem, non-summon bear (except thornburst cuz better clear and I just generally like it), primalist builds that can compete with any of the mentioned overall?

I'm mostly trying to get a grasp of what options there are

[high stratus]

spriggan totem shamans seem to be doing pretty well pushing corruption but it isn't a good bosser

[raven sluice]

thorn totem?

[high stratus]

thorn totem & summoning storm totem with the lagon relic

[raven sluice]

ah

[high stratus]

you get 9 thorn totems in spriggan form

[raven sluice]

yeah

[high stratus]

oversummoning them gets rage back, lets you use seed for defense etc

[raven sluice]

hmm

[high stratus]

Storm Crows stand out as the other top tier build you didn't list

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/avalanche-shaman-guide maxroll also list this avalanche build in the same tier as tornado shaman

[nimble sundial]

Okay storm crows is good.

Gonna make a fresh HC character for frogs so I can compare and swap between the two.

How bad of an idea is just leveling as frog setup before helmet?

Like leveling with 2 wolves + 1 bear + crows ?
Just so im not leveling as crows again.

[patent dock]

[mossy coral]

That's a lot of totems

[patent dock]

We makin a storm

[nimble sundial]

Are you the storm that is approaching?

[patent dock]

Maybe the stationary storm

[winged swallow]

No that would be me. I shall crash all the games

[near leaf]

WTF ??

I find this node to be a bait, in warcry

Is it just me ?

[patent dock]

So, as it turns out, thunder tempest can deal okay damage when you have 20 storm totems repeating it

[near leaf]

How do you get 20 totems is the real question, I thought the limit was one

[patent dock]

Nah, it is not a satisfying node at all

[patent dock]

That's the neat part, the limit is one, and all those totems in the screen shot are dead

[near leaf]

I noticed, but they are still casting ?

[patent dock]

They seem to be valid enough for repeats of thunder tempest, but otherwise no they don't live long enough to cast anything of their own

of course, I might just be imagining it all and maybe their death nova is dealing all my damage somehow lol

[near leaf]

Oh wait
Thunder Tempest!

But how do you get the zombies Storm Totems?

[mossy coral]

Thunder tempest with that can maybe cook your PC

[patent dock]

The really OP boardman set affix

[near leaf]

Anyone know the stat of this?

[sly bobcat]

i just looked into chat and saw this. I am now interested

[near leaf]

Wait a minute

How... 'why... Heh ?!?

[sly bobcat]

does the boardman set still provide absurd amounts of ward?

i remember trying it out before 1.0 and generating upwards of 20k ward with it

[patent dock]

Pretty sure they fixed that

[near leaf]

The Totem spawned by the set isn't getting removed?
And stay as zombies?

[near leaf]

Got fixed

[patent dock]

I think they just have a short death animation or something before they go away

[near leaf]

Ah

It thought it was permanent

It's just you are summoning so much and they kinda linger

[mossy coral]

Wait it doesn't re-summon it??

[patent dock]

Hmmm I'm seeing a lot less sparkles with storm totem's death pop disabled, it might truly be doing as stated, only repeating from the closest one

[mossy coral]

I can't find it but I'm 100% sure it's a skill that does like 10 dmg with 100% ADE

[patent dock]

Some of my old sheets have it listed as 2 base damage 100% ADE

[mossy coral]

Yeah could be 2

[patent dock]

not sure if that changed when thorn totem was buffed

[mossy coral]

I know it was really low

But base dmg doesn't really matter

Technically that node got worse now that thorn totems themselves have 100% ADE, not like that node was that strong anyways

[patent dock]

Yeah, I think my big damage spike truly was storm totem pop spam

[mossy coral]

And lightning nova has 120 ADE

[patent dock]

but maybe that's worth pursuing, considering I have 0 investment in minion damage, I'd have to math it out I guess

[mossy coral]

Does boardman set consume thorn totems?

[patent dock]

It should be able to

[mossy coral]

It should also just be 1 totem not 123456789 xD

[patent dock]

unfortunately thorn totem idol has a 1s cooldown still so I would only get one double damage pop every second

but extra pops from the thorn totems, so why not

[mossy coral]

Yeah I know, but it would be something

Isn't lightning nova really really small?

Wait what if you do blizzard with all of those totems?

[patent dock]

visually, looks about the size of EQ initial slam

[mossy coral]

Well visual can be a lot larger than the hit

[sly bobcat]

blizzard is actual garbage

[mossy coral]

Maybe not with 40 totems

[sly bobcat]

it gets almost 0 of the scaling nodes on storm totem

doesn't benefit from crit, doesn't benefit from cast speed

[patent dock]

Doesn't seem like they have time to cast it, sometimes the last remaining totem even forgets to cast it

[winged swallow]

Wasn't there a unique boot that turned spriggan form into a turret? Giving your more projectiles, less damg taken, and mass HP regen?

But you literally can't move?

[winter ivy]

Vithrasil

[patent dock]

Yes, Vithrasil, it didn't reduce damage taken at all; they also just buffed it to be more like foot of the mountain

[winged swallow]

is there a way to proc spirit thorns from melee?

[near leaf]

Nope

[winged swallow]

oh all stacks are INSTANTLY lost when deforming

[patent dock]

Yeah, it's basically the same as before only it no longer roots you, just rewards standing still

and its effects are much stronger

[winged swallow]

but casters are boring....

but becoming a gatling gun....is appealing

wonder if I can get enough cast speed to literally have a full on line of thorns shooting out

[trim folio]

frogs are so stupid

that's crazy the power gap there is between frogs and all other prim minions

[winged swallow]

isn't bear stronger then frogs?

[tawdry crag]

Did something happened with Bear Swipe Quake build, like I transfered to legacy, and I can't clear a mono now. Build killed uber abby in s3. My rive VK works fine.

[potent mesa]

I think im in a very good spot once i decide to play the swiper

This is without all res blessing as well

Opting in to crit avoidance and try to fit the rest of the avoidance in to a ring or boot

[winged swallow]

Does "More attack speed" exist in last epoch?

seems to only be increase never "more"

[mossy coral]

You do know that the belt was changed, right? 😅

[mossy coral]

There's more cast speed for thorn totem 😏

[potent mesa]

what was specifically changed?

Oh i see

Funnily enough it was still carrying some deeps

[mossy coral]

It doesn't give more damage/doom, it now gives more damage for void damage only

[potent mesa]

riiight

[mossy coral]

Its an okay belt now, they just straight up killed it

[potent mesa]

well shit

youve made my life harder by exposing that

[mossy coral]

Yeah pretty much a melee nerf for everyone..

[potent mesa]

well

fear not

[mossy coral]

You can use the new jormun belt with a jormun exalted sword, fits your build and you'll get the 20% more

[potent mesa]

because

there is a good enough workaround

[potent mesa]

cant use this

[mossy coral]

[potent mesa]

belt i can use sure but to benefit from the uh

2 set piece no

Its either jormun belt or communion of the erased

i doubt swipe even cares about getting 6-14% more dmg to stunned enemies its such a nothing burger for it

[mossy coral]

Yeah I wouldn't even consider stunned stuff, not worth it

[potent mesa]

no thats exactly my build

ill be stunning everything

[mossy coral]

Big bonks

[patent dock]

Yes, it's pretty rare outside weapon base attack speed (which is technically just a more/less multiplier), but it does exist

"less" is a little more common

[mossy coral]

I love that the melee lightning damage to allies from storm totem isn't working, sweet

Only for you, not minions at least

"near" is also funny here, because you can be a screen away and it still applies

I take that back, it's now working for whatever reason

[coarse bronze]

that was a bug with the old sceptre that was there from when it was added.... But yes it was fixed

and it was a little more than 20k lololol

multiple overlapping bars of ward

[mossy coral]

Upheaval totem isn't getting pen from the frailty node 🙁

[patent dock]

It's lore accurate, Lagon is a fickle god

[mossy coral]

Lightning upheaval totems seems kinda meh

There is no way in hell claw totem is 30% or LE calculates %chance differently. It's either first hit or 7-9

20% chance took me 25 hits, can't be right

[covert stirrup]

what is the best minion build

[sly bobcat]

tempest strike totems

[covert stirrup]

how does one even unlock tempest strike totems

im level like 39

[mossy coral]

I'm 1000000000% sure left swing doesn't trigger it

It's always right swing

Storm claw can only be triggered once per totem summoned, if you cycle between 2 totems it gets the cooldown back again lol, why that approach

Yeah you can't summon claw totem on your left swing

Like 100% impossible if you got swipe on CD

I would want to make swipe totem deal damage but this pretty much crushes it, on only str/attunement I could make it deal over 300k, that's pretty good. (Ferebor + Naal with a t7)

[sly bobcat]

it was a joke. for leveling wolves are very good. so is bear

[tawny hollow]

does FL Crater nodes increase area of Gravity nodes (kinda looks like no)

[limpid veldt]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/storm-crows-beastmaster-guide

wait is bones of the ancestral pack good here?

since we have 6 crows

if using it then only one of the 6 crow receives the buff right?

also is it more offensive than dual wield (since bear, raptor and sabertooth have already dual wielded)?

[patent dock]

Right

[limpid veldt]

yeah and the offensive power too

[patent dock]

Crows are point hungry, so it helps with that, but probably mostly used for the ward gen

[limpid veldt]

yeah but other builds dont need ward gen and are still good

and for points I think we can use tyrant skull too and cleaver offhand

I managed to have 42 points

which gives the same amount of skill points anyway

but dual wield allows us to have offensive affixes

[patent dock]

Crows have plenty of damage, so getting more defense makes high tier stuff easier

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

but I want the highest dmg possible

so dual wield is better?

because other builds like sabertooth can still do uber while dual-wielding

[patent dock]

No clue, the skill points probably do give good offensive value

[limpid veldt]

like I said

tyrant gives 2, cleaver gives 1

which is equal to 2 from bones and 1 from shattered world

[patent dock]

Okay, doesn't really matter

[limpid veldt]

hmm

storm crow> bear now

[limpid veldt]

so it is uberroth viable (not sure but I think the gear in the video is offline).

[near leaf]

Sorry I have to delete the link

It shows modded version of the game

[limpid veldt]

oh

[near leaf]

And we just had a talk in the mod discord about that 😄

But yes that was offline

[limpid veldt]

btw what is a modded version?

[near leaf]

So as far as Uber viable ... I mean maybe but a lot of things are uber viable with 4t7s

[near leaf]

They used mods in their game

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

[near leaf]

Like the dps counter bottom right corner

[limpid veldt]

hmm

I wonder

is there anyway to improve the movement speed of this build?

[high stratus]

of crows? primalist basically only has fury leap

[near leaf]

We are on Shatter Totem

Sorry I had to delete the video, so the context is gone 😅

[limpid veldt]

which has a boots with only... 7% movement speed

[glad hinge]

body implicit and haste effect corrupt on throne idol if you go cold

[near leaf]

I just swap my skills to try Bear-nami

[limpid veldt]

and no haste items

[near leaf]

OO

The aoe is huggggggge

[limpid veldt]

what is bear-nami?

tsunami?

[near leaf]

Werebear tsunami

[limpid veldt]

hmm

ade seems a bit less than shatter

but aoe might be really huge if you go brutality+madness

[near leaf]

Cant do brutality on Maelstrom

https://youtu.be/eTEqn3oqONs

Give it a minute or 2 for the upload

[near leaf]

Yes but you get 60% More Dmg per Maelstrom STack

And I the video I can get up to 22/26 stacks

Thats 1560% More Dmg

[raven sluice]

Tsunami is interesting. Idk if good, but interesting

Hits like a truck at least. Might rival earthquake if you can somehow sustain enough stacks

On 30 stacks, you deal 1800% more dmg. So 300% base for Tsunami, times 19, gives 5700%. Earthquake with all passives has like 8000%

Iirc. Like 40% more if lightning spell with even more passives, on EQ

But assuming maelstrom tree works for Tsunami, it has like 100% more and 80% more

[high stratus]

just for comparison the maxroll skill tree for marrow shards has 3500% ADE thinking of it like that and it casts it like 6x a second

if you make it consume minions it almost doubles again

[raven sluice]

So 3500%×6×2=42,000%

[high stratus]

in its tree marrow shards has 100% more if you consume a minion, 25% more, 100% more hit damage to bleeding enemies, 75% more, 150% more, 100% more hit damage to bleeding enemies, 75% more...

It also has base crit.

obviously you can't take all of that but there's barely any travel or bad nodes to take.

[raven sluice]

I liked marrow shards when I was playing my first char

[limpid veldt]

hmm

talking about marrow shard

it seems that if you stand too close to the boss

marrow shard deals very little dmg

[mossy coral]

You can take all the nodes

[high stratus]

almost

I'm not sure the +15% more -13% range is worth it beyond the bare minimum

[mossy coral]

The -range doesnt affect the AoE iirc, if you got it around you

[high stratus]

it's meant to

says that range modifiers apply

Splinter Nova is affected by all modifiers to Marrow Shards and Bone Splinters. Modifiers to the projectile speed of Bone Splinters grant increased area for Splinter Nova.

[near leaf]

There is also a 100%'More Dmg and 80%

[mossy coral]

Well zombies gives ward AND health 🐛

[limpid veldt]

well at least it will definitely be better than avalanche shaman

[mossy coral]

How much dmg is that on dummy, the 5 maelstroms to cast it feels so awful to play

[raven sluice]

Yup

Otherwise, you probably also wanna add the 100% more AoE to compensate the 50% less. If any of the AoE mods even work on tsunami (@mossy coral said they maybe don't?)

Accidentally deleted the message about 3.6 multi if all maelstrom nodes work

[mossy coral]

The -aoe isn't applying for tsunami, the increased aoe is but it adds barely anything noticeable

Wow they changed fireburst on shieldthrow to void when you use that affix on chest

[raven sluice]

neat

12k armour is just giga overkill right?

[mossy coral]

Yeah, it's good but it wouldn't hurt to change a blessing or something for it to go down a bit

[raven sluice]

I wanna add t7 reduced dmg taken from crits and t7 str, it will probably make it go to like 14k

I'm betting that makes my DR from 82% to 83%

what I would want is to make more dmg taken as phys, and increase DR applies to dots from 81% to 100%+

armour just doesnt do much difference to non-phys at this point

Yulra one shot me with cold spell, cuz I got 1.5k life lul

getting more armour isnt gonna change anything about that

all my armour mods are anti-crit anyway, or just strength, plus spriggan form

[near leaf]

I'll test tonight

[near leaf]

Yeah, I think I'll do that as second character

[mossy coral]

Tried it on VK and it's nuts, 40% chance to echo is crazy. With a MA it's 4 hits on single target and when it echo it's another 4 (If you go no cooldown)

It was fire spell, janky but now as void oh man, reaaally strong

[raven sluice]

does Unabating give more damage over time to bleeds from Initial Earthquake Hit if you have Seismic Smash?

[mossy coral]

You just need as much skill points as you can get

[raven sluice]

also, is the AoE from Outbreakin EQ tree more or inc?

I might be missing 60% more dmg

[mossy coral]

And again NON MELEE, EHG loves spells and non melee skills. Hit 4-8 times with 200 ADE, no mana cost

[raven sluice]

numbers indicate I've been missing out

but it's very hard to tell what ticks come from what skill on bleed beer

[mossy coral]

Was it in Tombs of the Erased patch serpent strike was bugged and nerfed after?

[potent mesa]

could of not asked for a better one

holeeee

[raven sluice]

man, bleed bear demolishes julra

[potent mesa]

what bleed bear?

[raven sluice]

thornburst, earthquake, spriggan form, thornshield

swipe

I just stand around casting thornshield and using evade to get aspect of the boar

[potent mesa]

is there a build for it? im going simply aftershock swipe bear to stun and claw shit

[crude breach]

now corrupt it for "you have frenzy"

[raven sluice]

summon bear, beastmaster

[potent mesa]

It would be fun to run a bleed build with the unique axe and jormuns sword

Would probably be beast in swipe bear form as well

[raven sluice]

swipe is a lot of nice multipliers for a skill that isnt swipe, if you do that in werebear or summon bear, but I wouldnt wanna base all of a build on swipes coverage

I like how I just don't notice 10 stacks of ignite in 100c, I got like 50 ward per second and they cant punch through, idk if there was something else messing up than just my armour vs dot

[high stratus]

can summon bear stack the swipe buff for you?

[raven sluice]

no idea

I got too many points so I just got leech for the bleeds in the end

got aspect before that hoping it makes bear faster

my bear is lvl 36, earthquake and swipe 27, thorn totem and spriggan form 30

[mossy coral]

What buff?

[high stratus]

aspect of the panther

[mossy coral]

If it works it would get its own

[raven sluice]

I gotta get prophecies for hybrid health shards, this feels weird

[near leaf]

No, but it stacks it for itself

[raven sluice]

neat, then I might even look at that for regen if I go regen to keep bear alive

[high stratus]

that's pretty cool

[mossy coral]

If someone want to report swipe not trigger claw totem on left swing go ahead 😄

[crude breach]

I want to report that boar heart does not trigger upon werebear's maul nor rampage (tho it works in swarmblade movement skill)

correction: rampage triggers it

maul does not despite using leap skill tree

[mossy coral]

It's because leap is triggered, "when you use" is the old saying of "directly using" pretty much

[crude breach]

now I have to rampage for fraction of second to get the buff during fight...ugh

I'm master druid! wait

[mossy coral]

That or evade yeah

[raven sluice]

is maul not a traversal skill?

[mossy coral]

no

[raven sluice]

damn

I would have never guessed maul with fury leap tree wouldnt give boar heart, though I can see the logic

[mossy coral]

It's a movement skill, very different

[raven sluice]

I just thought something would be more likely to make it do

my summon bear is now lvl 37

my defences are so weird, 800ET, 1539hp, barely any ward gen, 651 ward, 14690 armor

431 life regen

ah, I miscounted earlier, I got 91% armour DR applied to DoT

I am stacking boar effect, but I don't have points for porcine constitution until now 😅

[near leaf]

Is it not because of the cd ?

[raven sluice]

Glad weaver set has both giga ammy and giga ring. I can probably get 100% armour vs dot without even using RealSet

[mossy coral]

no, I tried hitting right swing in the air and left swing on the enemy, it never summoned claw totem

[near leaf]

Ah

[raven sluice]

I wonder if it's only ele armour DR for armour dots or just the base DR for all dots? Might explain why ignite does so little dmg

[near leaf]

Thats the feeling I had but someone told me it was because of the cd

[mossy coral]

If you have 2 sec CD it also still alternate between 1 right swing followed by 1 left swing

Not sure if it also applies to bear, it's harder to see

Wouldn't be surprised if it's the same with bear

Claw totem at least get its cooldown reduced by cooldown recovery speed lol

[crude breach]

hulk SMASH!...I mean...DETROIT smash! wait

[mossy coral]

Does serpent strike have the area tag now?

Maybe I'm on an outdated version of LE

[raven sluice]

I don't follow. How is claw totem broken? Summoned Bear does summon them, but it's situationally bugged?

[mossy coral]

The left swing of Swipe doesn't trigger it

Its tied to the animation

[raven sluice]

Oh, swipe alternates animations and one of them is broken, lul

I realised I don't want claw totems eating thorn shields anyway, but good to know

[real vale]

im dipping my toe into theorycraft

in this instance the tail is wagging the dog, but i have a bunch of really good leveling gear that gives melee electric damage and attack speed. what skills can be spec'd into melee electric for primal?

this is my first time actually doing my own thing lmao

[raven sluice]

Also, I realised I have almost all of my primalist tree doing next to nothing lul

And I also can't afford cornered beast until lvl 98

[patent dock]

When armor is applied to DOTs, it still has full effect vs phys and less vs non-phys like normal

[crude breach]

what about armour shred? when armour is negative?

[patent dock]

Gathering storm starts that way (and is the first melee attack you learn), swipe can convert, 1/3rd of tempest strike is lightning, and the natural wrath idol converts upheaval and earthquake to lightning melee.

[patent dock]

When armor is negative, it calculates it as if it was a positive armor value, then applies that as more damage taken instead of less

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/armor

That has a graph for armor as well as armor shred on another tab

[crude breach]

but elemental is weaker than physical then?

[high stratus]

armor shred boosts non-phys damage by less than it does phys

armor reduces non-phys damage by less than it does phys

[raven sluice]

rip

so armour is literally very capped in effectiveness vs non phys, no matter what you do

Considering the actual mitigation vs phys starts to get so high that even 19% vs 20% is actually a difference of 5% less dmg taken, that is nice. But when you take that and only apply at like 70% effectiveness, it's 56% vs 55.3%, and that is like 0.07/0.44 = ~1.5%, that doesnt do much

[high stratus]

it's pretty weird that "dots ignore armor" is basically entirely a disadvantage for the player in this game

enemies don't have armor really, the player does and the way shred works it's a really big multiplier

[raven sluice]

closer to 1.6%, so like a sixth of a red ring in DR vs non-phys

[raven sluice]

yup

a 160c riftbeast ambush happens, and I dont have the time to move my totems out of the way and start thornshielding bear before he kills it with bleed

[mossy coral]

Wait whaaaat, companions also get aspect of the viper?????

The node only says shark/boar

[raven sluice]

it's inherent to the aspects nodes

[mossy coral]

Ooh

Reading is hard

[raven sluice]

I wish I had a way of knowing what amount of my bears dmg comes from bleed

[crude breach]

I'm making a build and I already want to make raptor/t-rex build

[raven sluice]

I might just be playing bear hit in spriggan form

[mossy coral]

Crazy that no one is playing serpent strike with like 400 melee crit

[crude breach]

what about stacking bleed and us swarm strike...

if you have max amount of raptors and you trigger this, does it make them all rampage or only one?

[near leaf]

Cause it's awful

[raven sluice]

pog, it actually seems like it's bleed doing the dmg

[crude breach]

any1 tried fire breathing raptors?

[raven sluice]

160c formosus tp away and died in a tick

from last ward threshold

[patent dock]

Has anyone tried playing storm totem at all this season? I tried speccing it to cast storm bolts and it literally does nothing at all with that node on now lol

[raven sluice]

after ward was already down, but still dmg

[mossy coral]

Ill see if its awful or not

Scales really well with nest and crit idols

[high stratus]

there are a bunch of people playing it at 1-2kc so it can't be a widespread issue

someone said the other day that the boardman set totally breaks its targeting, are you trying to meme with boardman's?

[patent dock]

Ah, I'll try without it real quick

[near leaf]

Boardman + Gathering Storm break the targetting

It's only been 2 seasons

[patent dock]

I took off all my boardman gear and it still refuses to cast storm bolt

I'll try re-zoning without it on

Yep, still nothing, doesn't seem to be the boardman set

No matter what I do, I cannot get storm totem to cast storm bolt

except maybe like once if I spawn it right on top of an enemy

[near leaf]

Hum

Weird

[patent dock]

well, there goes that idea to make use of my last spec slot lol

[near leaf]

I would have bet it was boardman

[patent dock]

maybe I'll just slap a bear in there to tank for me

[mossy coral]

483 melee crit chance with spriggan and warcry, that's 966 more for SS

[raven sluice]

I wonder if it would be worth using boardman on thornburst summoned bear

[near leaf]

@patent dock

Once its broken, it doesnt come back

[patent dock]

Huh

[mossy coral]

The set makes the totem shy

[patent dock]

I did try relogging, but maybe it requires a full game restart

[mossy coral]

What if you change zone and wear the item?

[patent dock]

Doesn't fix it

[patent dock]

oh wow, not even a full restart

so like, if you've ever equipped the Boardman set on your character, it is permanently bricked for storm bolt storm totem?

[near leaf]

No, smth must reset it

[patent dock]

or would unspeccing storm totem reset it?

[near leaf]

Because I had tested it with that character

Why do they do this

[patent dock]

what an insane bug lol

[near leaf]

Why cant we have Block chance while moving

[mossy coral]

Isn't that what it does?

[near leaf]

Well block stats doesnt go up when you move

[mossy coral]

"block hits taken"

Nice sentence

[patent dock]

oof lol

conditional block chance for no reason

makes sense on bastion, but why here?

I'm even more confused on storm totem bug now, I unspecced storm totem and respecced it to use storm bolt, and that DID reset it so it works

then I equipped Boardman set and... it still works

although fun to note, the storm bolt node completely disables all of the Boardman set on hit benefits

[winter ivy]

oh, is Boardman bugged again? There was an issue way back (before reforged items) where you could keep the benefits even unequipping the set. It would also generate absurd ward.

[patent dock]

So allocating the melee aura shockfury node is what breaks storm totem's storm bolt with Boardman set

[sly bobcat]

you can't have raptors and bugman form at the same time

it's kinda dumb that it lists raptor and sabertooth companions abilities there

[crude breach]

oh right

can smb tell me why can;t I equip 2nd adored idol?

[patent dock]

Okay, so I think I figured out exactly how the bug happens... storm totem's storm bolt is disabled if you equip any part of the Boardman set while you have anything that modifies storm totem's aura (either from the Boardman set items or the nodes in its tree). Storm bolt can only be re-enabled by de-allocating all points in storm totem's tree that modify its aura (if you had none, you must allocate a point and the de-allocate it to reset).

[mossy coral]

Okay SS freaking sucks even with 123786178246 multipliers

[patent dock]

Unfortunately, that means I can't use storm bolt in my build because I am forced to take an aura modifying node as a travel point

[winter ivy]

Are they corrupted? If so, how many corrupted idols does that last affix allow?

[crude breach]

I had to remove tha altar and put it back on

5 corrupted

[near leaf]

Well well well
Would you look at that

[mossy coral]

Ooh salt the wound only applies to actual ailment, not SS poison

[patent dock]

Yeah, technically it grants you increased poison effect and increased bleed effect

[mossy coral]

It has:
1600 increased DoT
139 pen
600 more, 932 more, 202 more
Even then it deals 500k on dummy

And 200 something stacks of poison which is more pen

[near leaf]

Tried Frostbite ?

[mossy coral]

I haven't, Idk how I'd use frostbite on this

This is the planner
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP6YW4kW

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (74) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,680, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 160.51, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 36/s
▸ Attributes: 49 Str / 33 Dex / 18 Int / 30 Att / 86 Vit
▸ Resistances: 60% / 68% / 78% / 73% / 65% / 94% / 156%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 90%, Threshold: 616
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (132)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 43% (2,492)

Used skills:

Serpent Strike / Summon Thorn Totem / Summon Spriggan / Warcry / Summon Frenzy Totem

[near leaf]

Ah I thought you were doing psn

Not serpent Venom

[mossy coral]

Nah, also not much to do poison on

I can't belive how bad SS is though, it does more than TS but less than anything else

[potent mesa]

is this even desirable btw?

crazy combo with the minion health i assume

[trim folio]

That's a great one

[wind mortar]

guys before you die can you be knocked out of spriggan form? anyone?

Like is there a certain threshhold that will knock you out of form?

or is it just you running out of rage

[raven sluice]

is minion damage over time bugged or something? I have 231 on my weapon, but I get 346% when I equip it

[mossy coral]

No, it's not like Lich form

[potent mesa]

it is? ima corrupt it then and keep it if its good :>>

[mossy coral]

It's just if your rage reach 0

[trim folio]

noooooooooo

[near leaf]

Oof

[raven sluice]

Lul, weaver set works for butchers cleaver legendary mods?

[mossy coral]

The what cleaver?

[raven sluice]

My hypothesis is that weaver set applies to all legendary weapon mods

[raven sluice]

Ah, cleaver solution*

[mossy coral]

You mean the int applies for the new weaver set amulet?

For crits and +lvls

[raven sluice]

Nah, I have 231% minion dmg on cleaver solution. Char sheet gives me 346%

[mossy coral]

Cleaver solution isn't a weavers will item though

[raven sluice]

Bugged

[mossy coral]

231 damage over time for minions?

[raven sluice]

This makes me wonder if I should use naals with minion dot off hand

[raven sluice]

Yes

[mossy coral]

Lol, crazy

Closed my game, otherwise I could've tested it

[raven sluice]

Probably shouldn't be bug exploiting. But naals would probably be better without bug

Maybe just wait till they fix it

[high stratus]

exploit every bug as hard as you can otherwise EHG will just ignore it for years

[raven sluice]

30% more dmg, if I can manage without +2 to all minion skills and a ton of res

Also actually need to drop a naals

Also, I need to start getting cast speed

So I can cast more thorn shields

[mossy coral]

Have they nerfed any build yet with a bug fix? (Except frogs)

[raven sluice]

No idea 😅

[mossy coral]

If you make a video + buildguide it will be fixed sooner

[raven sluice]

Hmm. Lots of options tbh. I could definitely use a ward catalyst with minion dmg. Doesn't exploit bug either

I get 300 retention, 1k ward, 300 wdt

Catalyst would prolly bump it far. Then julra

Or vessel of strife I mean

[near leaf]

I hate that I agree with you

[mossy coral]

Primalist need bugs, good bugs

[raven sluice]

This is a good bug

[high stratus]

if there was a way to exploit abomination sacrificing itself to accelerate farming it would have been fixed by now

[mossy coral]

Can you try with a different unique btw?

Any unique affix

[raven sluice]

At the store atm. Can check later

[patent dock]

idk, I think TS is still better than SS

[mossy coral]

Get me some rosa mjölk, thx

[patent dock]

TS is actually not terrible for clearing with thunder tempests

[raven sluice]

Mjölk ✅
Karamellfärg ✅

[mossy coral]

They're out, in every store

[raven sluice]

Rip

Were they good?

Strawberry milk?

[mossy coral]

No idea, couldn't try it

[raven sluice]

Damn

[mossy coral]

Gonna be broken in s5

[raven sluice]

Ingen rosa mjölk

[mossy coral]

Riiiip

[high stratus]

TS totems are gonna kill Uber in 2 phases max on 1lp gear. Heard it here first.

[raven sluice]

I might get lantmjölk tho

[mossy coral]

He need some milk!

[raven sluice]

Apparently according to classmate that's giga into doing healthy stuff, cows milk to humans is an abomination? But otoh the less pasturised it is, the more it can have unexpected anabolic side effects

[high stratus]

it certainly is for the lactose intolerant

[mossy coral]

iirc it's not really good for you once you're grown up

[raven sluice]

Lmao

[high stratus]

But given that lactose tolerance is practically fixed in some populations you can't say we didn't evolve to drink it. That's literally what happened in multiple independent events.

[raven sluice]

Yeah, iirc teenagers that drink a lot of milk can according to some studies be taller on average. But I'm 36.

[mossy coral]

But that's probably coffee too, I need my coffee

[high stratus]

that it happened in the last few thousand years doesn't mean it wasn't real evolution

[mossy coral]

Forced evolution

[mossy coral]

Damn that's short

[high stratus]

must have been brutal to be a steppe pastoralist growing up with like a third of your tribe being able to drink milk and growing like weeds while you're dealing with rebellious guts trying to copy them and have no real idea why it's different for them than you lol

[raven sluice]

Lmao

I use an elevator when I get to my desk

[mossy coral]

Yeah, a really bad time

[high stratus]

standing desk is a coffee table

[raven sluice]

If I can stand on a bucket

[mossy coral]

LOL cute

[raven sluice]

On a more serious note, I'm in between short and average. 176cm

[mossy coral]

Average I think

[raven sluice]

Sometimes, I'm actually the tallest person in the room at school. It's a weird feeling

[high stratus]

189cm

[raven sluice]

Seems like construction industry students are usually between 150 to 170 or 183 to 190

[raven sluice]

Daaamn

[mossy coral]

I'm the shortest, like a construction industry student I guess

[raven sluice]

xD

The siberian girl is like 150. But she's tough.

[high stratus]

what kind of construction? I worked as a site surveyor for a while

[raven sluice]

HVAC

[high stratus]

theodolite jockey

[raven sluice]

Ah, measuring stuff. Sounds like "lantmätare" but idk what that is either more than common Swedish term

I got a like bachelors degree in science in IT, transliterated "high school engineer in IT", but most of the math was still my own choice. But it's from the school that makes engineers

[mossy coral]

That's like water regulation stuff I think

[raven sluice]

Ah, hmm

[mossy coral]

As for what embryo said Idk tbh

[raven sluice]

Sounded like either lantmätare or engineer when I googled

[mossy coral]

Could be, not sure what lantmätare actually does unless I google it

[raven sluice]

At first I thought "kranförare" and thought like they should have gone to the Olympics in taekwondo

[mossy coral]

Lol

[raven sluice]

189 and kranförare, step aside human

[high stratus]

it's about measuring stuff

you install studs and other durable but precisely measurable markers in a bunch of locations and measure how the distance between them changes over time while construction is going on to see what's moving and by how much

so you can know if eg the structure of a nearby gas main is being affected or not

[mossy coral]

Cool, sounds ez pz

[raven sluice]

That sounds neat

Idk what I'll become. I did internship as calculator, "offentlig upphandling", quantity take-offs, reading blueprints, documenting in industry tools, coded some stuff for myself to help organize. But I didn't get the job cuz I had like zero experience in construction

Though I got champaigne, T-shirt, giga send off speech, stay in touch, go back to school, etc

[mossy coral]

Ah yes the "have 20 years of experience" but that's not listed

[high stratus]

I'm pretty sure i'm completely unemployable at this point

been out of work for 5 years

[mossy coral]

Should've showed them the PoE tree and say you know what everything is

Rough

[mossy coral]

You goofed when you placed those studs? 😭

[raven sluice]

Nah, they just prolly asked "got anyone theoretical", teacher asks me, I give them CV, CV has nothing in construction but it does have med school, CEO is my age and prolly knows that med school at that time can only mean perfect grades (noone in my school) or 1.8+ on high school test. They figure guy is clueless but can still prolly take off running as project lead on construction sites. I have a nervous breakdown in 2 weeks

[high stratus]

got sick and never been the same since

[mossy coral]

🙁

[raven sluice]

Kinda same. Though apparently I might just be suffering from sorta cataclysmic amounts of OCD

[high stratus]

sorta cataclysmic amounts of OCD sounds like a very mean way of saying being good at ARPGs

[raven sluice]

xD

I'm like an autist that's aware of everything I do wrong but can't change it

[high stratus]

hate that feeling

[raven sluice]

Yeah

[potent mesa]

bear happy

[patent dock]

Storm totem pop is actually pretty fun... not the best bosser ever (would probably be much better if my storm totem could cast storm bolts), but managed to get Abby down on it

works great in echoes though since its damage scales with pack density, most packs take like 1-2 swings to explode

[mossy coral]

what the

[trim folio]

I can't unhear the walking noise Primalist produce despite being transformed as a flying bug.

[patent dock]

Only 100c, but I love how silly this is as a build

[trim folio]

nanidayo

seems extremely unintended

[nimble sundial]

Is there some like "chance to place a totem on hit" sort of thing happening here ?

[patent dock]

Yeah, this is the key to the explosions

It triggers on all tempest strike hits, including from the tempests, so it focuses on thunder tempest procs with the node that makes them repeat from your nearest storm totem

Then a ton proc on big packs and they all pop with this for damage

Since it felt pretty bad on bosses, I set it up to also just be able to manually summon thorn totems into thunder totem, so you can just toss it out and run around like a regular storm totem build... Boardman's enrage companions on hit actually seems to apply to all minions, so I try to put the thunder totem right on top of the boss so it enrages itself lol

[mossy coral]

It looks really cool though, you should use death rattle for the health gain

[patent dock]

I am

This is my char, as you can see, a lot of my gear is mid or trash
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/FatherToast/character/Boulder_Toast

[mossy coral]

Farming gaze, really? xD

[patent dock]

lol that was from before I swapped to minion damage and I just didn't bother updating any imprints

I put very minimal effort into it since I was sure it was going to be garbage

but it's actually okay, their death nova has pretty decent area

[mossy coral]

Pretty crazy to think a bug like that can make TS and totem death work lol

[patent dock]

I don't think this is actually benefitting from any bugs, though the top of the screen filling up with storm totems is really silly I think it's just a visual thing, they don't seem to grant any "per active totem" effects

[mossy coral]

Why are you not taking shared spell damage on the tree btw

Well I don't think they would explode when you summon new ones either

[patent dock]

Storm totems get a ton of flat from that shock chance stacking node, so I just aimed for some of the juicy % nodes, but tbh I have no clue which gives better dps, too lazy to optimize it

[patent dock]

It does for thorn totems and (I think) every other minion that has an on-death skill trigger

[mossy coral]

I know you went for the attack speed but these nodes are so bad, just take the 3 and put some points into shared spell damage imo

[patent dock]

3 points for 10% attack speed is okay

[mossy coral]

Minion damage might be better but I don't think you can have enough spell damage

[mossy coral]

Well there's ambush in BM tree

[patent dock]

Besides, look at this - it's TRIPLED every 2 seconds

[mossy coral]

Pogging out

[patent dock]

Quite possible, though if any minion can get there, storm totem is a candidate

[mossy coral]

yeah fair

[patent dock]

Heh yeah, that's what I was planning to grab with my next level, then the leech thing and solo companion node just so my bear doesn't randomly die after a while due to no recovery

[mossy coral]

If only that one gave health

[patent dock]

(though I would prefer if they fix unmatched storms so I can spec storm bolt instead of bear)

[mossy coral]

That'd help for sure, can't you use anything better than bear?

[patent dock]

I had warcry specced for berserk for a while, but since I started using thunder totem for bossing I dropped it

I thought of using spriggan companion, but I'm like 95% sure the aura only applies like once every 0.5 or 1 second, so it won't really help the pops

basically it would just give the flat spell to thunder totem for bossing and give the heal ability, which aren't bad, but I don't really want the druid nodes that badly

EB also not a bad pick mainly to summon heal totem because my sustain sucks

[mossy coral]

I'd probably go warcry for the attack speed so you can pop more

[raven sluice]

I got like a 90s abberoth kill on bleed thornburst summoned bear lul

at lvl 91 with mostly reforged sets, some LP1 items, corrupted giga belt by my standards I guess

[patent dock]

Bleed bear is a legit build tbh, giga starter since it has like no gear reqs

[raven sluice]

that is by far my best item probably

[patent dock]

Ooh nice one

[raven sluice]

ye

[mossy coral]

Damn actually a good affix

[raven sluice]

yup

[limpid veldt]

but it is strong already as fire?

you just need to be fg, has 2 2h axe and some idols.

[patent dock]

Oh, didn't see this, yes it does

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's pretty strong as fire, I just think it's way better as void though

[limpid veldt]

no?

where do you get flat void dmg for lava burst as vk?

[patent dock]

Same places as FG would get, plus passives

[limpid veldt]

fg needs idols with 2h axe+shield to have such insane flat

and ring of shield too

you need to equip 2h axe and shield

[mossy coral]

Like everything else, there's on the tree, crit multi cause you spend points in the tree, more dmg per time rot, void spell damage on chest

[limpid veldt]

and it is boosted further by idol altar

wait

[patent dock]

and VK is VK

[limpid veldt]

you do hit or time rot?

[mossy coral]

hit

[limpid veldt]

is there some maths to show that it is really better?

[raven sluice]

yeah, it did look like numbers went up, so I clicked all of the stuff

[mossy coral]

you can use entwined with either of the set-up, you will always have the enemy at max timerot stacks which is 36% more lol

[limpid veldt]

because as fg, with pyre axe and idols you could have almost 200 flat spells

[patent dock]

maybe somewhere, you can do the math if you really want to know for sure

[mossy coral]

40% chance for a echo too, combined with a MA that's 4 more hits (with enough points)

[limpid veldt]

but fg can do about the same with ring of shield?

[mossy coral]

VK is usually really strong for whatever build they do

[patent dock]

No, FG can't echo

[limpid veldt]

but they have more minion to ricochet

vk only has ma

[patent dock]

Doesn't help at all

[limpid veldt]

?

[mossy coral]

Doesn't matter it can only ricochet X number of times

[limpid veldt]

fg's shield can ricochet around the shields

causing the explosions to overlap

that's whay staying in melee range as fg does way more dmg

otherwise please say why what I said is wrong please

[patent dock]

It can just ricochet back and forth between the same targets

[limpid veldt]

yeah but it will not ricochet around and cause explosion overlap between the bursts

otherwise fg would have deal the same dmg even if I stay ranged

which is not true from what I tested when I had both ma and ring of shields

[patent dock]

That's because when you have extra minions, it can bounce away from the target

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

hmm the best way to know is test

[limpid veldt]

@mossy coral hmm, I want to ask

where is the node that gives more dmg per time rot?

[mossy coral]

Not a node, it's the forgotten knight set

[limpid veldt]

wait so I won't have the ladle bonus?

[mossy coral]

You can with entwined ring

[limpid veldt]

okay

the thing is

ladle for 48% more dmg

face of the mountain for endutance stacking (over 210% block chance offline -> around 100% more dmg for shield throw)

these two gives a lot of dmg to shield throw

do I have to give up one of them?

[mossy coral]

Yeah I know, but yes you have to give up something

[limpid veldt]

hmm

with out the void set isn't it just 36% less dmg

while ladle gives 48% more

and face of the mountain gives 100% more dmg

[mossy coral]

Well a sword then would give more flat spell

[limpid veldt]

hmm

but does a sword worth sacrificing 48% more dmg?

[mossy coral]

If you use entwined with set sword+amulet you get the 36% more

instead