that's a lot of area
#🐺┃primalist
mossy coral
that's a lot of area
34 and the area nodes in EQ tree
I'm gonna test a little bit more area for, science.
lofty rover
When you wield 2 apogee sword the more damage stacks or you just do it for the extra skills for cold minions?
mossy coral
When you wield 2 apogee sword the more damage stacks or you just do it for the e...
stacks
lofty rover
A friend wants to do cold sabertooth
Is it worth taking the points for the ancestral sabertooth?
high stratus
I'm gonna test a little bit more area for, science.
4% Increased Area for Area Spells per 10 Madness
mayb?
you're using cleaver already so
lofty rover
For a hit saber build
loud sky
yo, long time LE player, never played primalist,shaman builds, what should I play
lofty rover
yo, long time LE player, never played primalist,shaman builds, what should I pla...
Frogs😅
lofty rover
is that shaman tho
Beastmaster
loud sky
im not really a minion guy for the most part
I like to do the damage
totems can be ok
mossy coral
you're using cleaver already so
Also offline 😏
high stratus
totems can be ok
totems are just temporary stationary minions in last epoch
it's all minion scaling with them
high stratus
totems can be ok
anyway, with those caveats: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Molfar/character/WARRIOR95
mossy coral
Aftershock gotta have a cap or something
high stratus
for area?
loud sky
totems are just temporary stationary minions in last epoch
yeah thats fine generally
like balistas are cool sometimes
in PoE I like balista totems
mossy coral
Wow Upheaval is such a scam, only the original upheaval gets increased area, not the other lines 
Might be the same with totems tbh
Looks like it
raven sluice
I like to do the damage
Probably tornado stormbolt?
slim finch
Out of the topic I have to say that my imagine build for the Primialist is smf froozen minions... But there you got 100+ problems on your way exacly going up with corruption... :S
mossy coral
Tornado gets area but not storm orbs, classic 
Tsunami is the same, area seems to not be passed down to the sub skills or whatever you wanna call it
mossy coral
Is it worth taking the points for the ancestral sabertooth?
No only the point above it that says attunement if you have attunement in your build to scale it a bit more
near leaf
For if he wants to do mostly clear at not too high Corruption, don't need Maelstrom and Yulia's Path
Upheaval gives a nice aoe
lofty rover
Thats gonna add attunment tag and its gonna be same as strength
mossy coral
Yeah
near leaf
If they want to push 1k+ and do Uber, Maelstrom +yulia is too big to pass on
lofty rover
Idk friend just linked like a build from pixel aptitude with upheaval sabertooth
mossy coral
Did it use upheaval totems or normal upheaval?
lofty rover
Normal upheaval I think
mossy coral
Okay
near leaf
Idk friend just linked like a build from pixel aptitude with upheaval sabertooth
It's fine, it really depends of their goals
Fast uber > Maelstrom
lofty rover
I gave him your suggestions so he can do change depending what he wants later on
near leaf
Chilling like a vilain > Upheaval is fine
lofty rover
There is no way to make saber be low life right
Like that more damage its juicy but seems not possible to use
mossy coral
There is no way to make saber be low life right
No but you can be lowlife and have the same effect which is easier
raven sluice
there's some staff that isnt that great for saber iirc
that can make it LL
but you need to give it giga life so you can still have regen on it without regening to high so it loses the dmg, similar with leech etc
raven sluice
No but **you** can be lowlife and have the same effect which is easier
wait, me LL gives saber giga dmg?
mossy coral
wait, me LL gives saber giga dmg?
yeah it says you or sabertooth
mossy coral
Only for flurry swipes though
high stratus
wtf, damn
From the Brink
While your sabertooth is on low health it deals more damage (multiplicative with other modifiers) and leeches a portion of the melee damage it deals as health.
where?
raven sluice
👆
high stratus
oh just the crit on swipes
raven sluice
meh
high stratus
doesn't seem worth it
raven sluice
that's not the good part
nimble sundial
How is bear now ?
Is the build basically the same but you gotta solve mana now normally with swipe gain mana on hit ?
mossy coral
Yes, why else would you want it to be low life?
lofty rover
130% more damage 
mossy coral
Yeah yeah but it would be impossible to maintain
It would either die or leech to full health
lofty rover
Damm shame maybe some day they change that cause eve with julra gloves and experimental affix it would leech to full
mossy coral
Even 1% leech can make it go to full health instantly
tranquil lintel
give us a way to dress up our companions in uniques so we can put architecs of astral blood on our sabertooth like a cute little jacket
raven sluice
if you go DoT, and get giga saber life and regen, it might stabilise, but leech prolly messes it up
nimble sundial
Even 1% leech can make it go to full health instantly
Can you go ll with ward ?
But that seems a very weird setup
mossy coral
Can you go ll with ward ?
But that seems a very weird setup
LL ward on the saber? It can't use that affix
nimble sundial
LL ward on the saber? It can't use that affix
No i mean the thing triggers if saber or you are ll right.
So it works if you go ll
mossy coral
No i mean the thing triggers if saber or you are ll right.
So it works if you ...
Yeah for flurry swipes it does, but not the other node they're talking about
raven sluice
I just realised aberrant call allows you to play saber LL bleed (the saber is LL)
I suppose with 1200 base life from lvls, around 1200 base life from str and dex, it gets 2400. Natural Bond is +75% so now 4200. Saber has some life nodes so you can get it to like 10k, then get minion life affixes. It's kinda cool, but prolly not worth
The staff is bad, you only get 130% more dmg which is a lot sure, but 2h weapon takes 2 big slots for only that (also gives saber a nice move speed boost from the staff but saber is already giga fast), you need like 2+ t7 affixes of minion life, it'll be a lot squishier than it needs to be unless you get even more life and even more regen than baseline necessary
around here https://discordapp.com/channels/368953963267096586/480944533937324046/1417527384147492874
I did math on it before
but it's a mess, hit dmg needs to be low or it will leech, so it has to be bleed and cant use leech, and it's still just hitting an equilibrium with regen and needs tons of affixes to work
nimble sundial
BTW if im going solo minion leveling is bear / scorpian good ?
Or is like 4 storm crows better ?
mossy coral
You also can't have minion taking dmg node which also gives it less aspect, huge loss
raven sluice
Depends on how glass you make it I think, idk. But getting like 3xt7 minion life + 3xt7 minion flat regen, str and beastmaster regen per str, finding an equilibrium, that probably costs you more than half the dmg
mossy coral
It's also not 50% health it's below 35%, makes it even harder
raven sluice
yeah
it's doable in theory, but very unlikely to be worth it
especially since it even gets giga leech on LL
for hits
so then youre looking at some giga wonky bleed that prolly doesnt deal more dmg than hit
neon steppe
so do potion spam builds just not work for single target?or am i doing something wrong
jungle queen + chance to find
loud sky
how tf do you manage mana as shaman
please tell me its not gathering storm
bc thats literally worse mana strike
high stratus
how tf do you manage mana as shaman
that's the neat thing, you don't
tranquil lintel
so do potion spam builds just not work for single target?or am i doing something...
in my experience, when i was playing a pillagers gold rogue stacking potion find. You get alot less potion's on bosses then you'd expect
high stratus
you can solve mana, it's just really tricky
neon steppe
in my experience, when i was playing a pillagers gold rogue stacking potion find...
it feels so good in maps but bosses is miserable
tranquil lintel
attack speed and gathering storm can give you decent mana but that's quite restrictive depending on what you're trying to do
and its still not great
high stratus
mana back on tempest strike/swipe/GS is sometimes part of it but shaman is pretty squishy usually and doesn't enjoy basic attacking builder/spender action
you can use spriggan form for some mana arbitrage
but druids do that sort of thing much better
in theory you could use an apathy corruption and play low-life
you'd get 3% mana regen per attunement with the shaman passive
loud sky
yeah but mana regen is bad in this game unfort
high stratus
it is
neon steppe
how tf do you manage mana as shaman
apathy and attunement stacking
loud sky
I tested 500% inc mana regen
and it was like
terrible
idk why they are so averse to mana leech or actual mana regen
high stratus
you trying to do tornado storm bolts?
loud sky
im just cookin up something myself
and
theres literally nothing for mana
besides gathering storm
and builder spender is fine, but once you hit deep endgame in ANY ARPG, you should be able to automate with enough investment
and this game does not let you do that
high stratus
tempest strike can get you 5 back per swing, attacks fast and gets you +flat spell damage stacks but yeah you're not wrong
shaman gets no crit either
loud sky
tbh thats why poe passive tree is the best in the genre, it allows flexibility, while keep class identity defined within the trees sectors
locking classes into specific sets of nodes like LE is just way too narrow
and I have the same amount of hours in LE as I do PoE btw
im not a poe glazer, but its literally just the best in the genre bar none
the skill trees in LE are a good concept tho
the passives are just absolute dog
loud sky
tempest strike can get you 5 back per swing, attacks fast and gets you +flat spe...
yeah you can get 5 mana back per swing if you invest 5 skill points lmao
thats laughably ridiculous
out of a max of 20 baseline
25% of your skill points for a skill just for mana is crazy
meanwhile rogue just doesnt use mana at all
tranquil lintel
you can convert attunement to apathy
loud sky
mana regen sucks in this game
I was just saying that
I tested a build with 500% inc mana regen
and it was like 36/s
and thats fully invested into mana regen
not just on a few pieces
tranquil lintel
Yeah, they said in the most recent dev stream that its by design they want to gate how much you can do by how much mana you can regen
loud sky
yeah I think thats a bad thing in the long run
tranquil lintel
except you have things like marrow shards or erasing strike that dont play by that rule so it seems abit silly
loud sky
endgame builds should be able to solve mana
neon steppe
loud sky
yeah its ridiculous
loud sky
it feels like a sunken cost thing, where they have stuck to the idea for so long they don't want to admit that its a bad idea
tranquil lintel
taht looks very satisfying
loud sky
so they just dig a deeper deeper hole
neon steppe
taht looks very satisfying
i know thats why im so upset it sucks nuts for bosses
high stratus
Yeah, they said in the most recent dev stream that its by design they want to ga...
I don't dislike this in principle but it feels like they pull mana costs out of a hat
tranquil lintel
I dont think its necessarily a bad thing if you want your game to have a different playstyle to others in the genre. builder spender doesnt have to be terrible. It's just there's no consistency with how that idea is implemented
mossy coral
EEEEEW CD on potion use
high stratus
how much does this triggered spell cost? how frequently can it happen? how many multis are there on its skill tree? how much aoe does it have? all of that seems to be basically random
mossy coral
Man that's x10000000 times better than stacking x100000000 mana regen and cast yourself
tranquil lintel
tbf i've still never seen an arpg claim to want to be builder spender and then actually implement that system well. It always gets walked back or broken by the players
neon steppe
EEEEEW CD on potion use
feels bad to play w/o it even with 110% cdr
mossy coral
numlock dive and press pots
neon steppe
dont have numlock 🙁
loud sky
ok I made a suggestion @high stratus lmao
mossy coral
Me neither, I use AHK to numlock
loud sky
tbh if LE makes defense investment more global and fixes mana sustain options this game is literally insta better just in build diversity
add in more content, balance skills and classes and GG theres the formula
mossy coral
tbf i've still never seen an arpg claim to want to be builder spender and then a...
Me neither the generator part either does 0 damage/way less or feels bad to use.
Smite is kind of good with some scaling, but often not that great of a feeling
tranquil lintel
the main problem if you give everyone access to solved resources, why would you not then use those resources to spam the highest damage potential skill available. If there's more friction in the system it gives you reason to use skills besides "this skill does the most damage possible"
I played a spell build in poe2 last season and after a few weeks everyone's spell builds had devolved into how do we spam the most comet's possible because resources werent really a problem late game there was nothing better to do with those resources than spam comet
mossy coral
I just want more tools, Imo EQ/avalanche/maelstrom spam is unsustainable and won't be fun to play when you spend 600 mana and gain 5 mana/generator back. 10 is also too low, with torch+T7 mana cost with -mana cost from skill tree and bluefeather band I could get 50 mana cost down to 16, that's great and all but my mana regen was 4 and the generator gave me 5/hit back and it still felt awful.
Every other skill I did also cost too much mana, leap, warcry, totem you name it. You're not just battling EQ mana cost
nimble sundial
Okay 3rd primalist dead.
Need some advice on leveling in HC. Trying to level as storm crows just sucks early cos being melee when you dont actually have any defence.
mossy coral
If I had a potion to give me mana regen for a bit I'd use it but not the current mana/potion use because it feels worse and when I really need that health potion I've 0 left
tranquil lintel
the potion system is weird because they clearly want to have the option to build around potions as a resource but that doesnt work atall once you're fighting a boss
mossy coral
I actually never really use potions
tranquil lintel
how does the attunement scaling on this node work
is it saying it only gets attunement scaling based on my strength (kind of like cleaver solution). Also what is that scaling beacuse I went onto an offline character and took the node but the tooltip doesn't change to explain what the attunement is actually scaling
or does it mean by equivelant to your strength scaling that attunement just gives you the same affect as the strength scaling
mossy coral
It's just the same as strength, 4% increased per attunement
tranquil lintel
Maybe i was just being stupid or that's poorly worded but that only just clicked on like the 10th reading of that node
mossy coral
Saber scales with str/dex, if you pick that node it's str/dex/attunement
tranquil lintel
ok I was thinking about what that person was doing with etteras blessing resetting flurry strikes with attunement scaling
sounds like it got some potential. Im bad at testing things so I cant tell if casting flurry swipes while the saber is already swiping is overlapping or cutting it short
mossy coral
Not sure what it will do if it already is swiping but frenzy totem node makes it double cast at least
Which is 12 hits instead of 6
Every hit can trigger upheaval btw
Since upheaval aftershock got buffed it's really good to have 20% chance to cast upheaval with it, can solve the AoE issues saber have
tranquil lintel
i was trying to test it by looking at bleed stacks
maybe I need to give it longer duration on bleeds to figure it out
yeah that's the idea turn it into an upheaval machine
mossy coral
Why on earth does manifest armor have the movement speed of a cheetah
patent dock
Why on earth does manifest armor have the movement speed of a cheetah
Because this, also it gets all your boot stats (and with a multiplier when invested)
mossy coral
God he's fast
Why can't all companions be like that
Literally the flash
I noticed fun things with shield throw, although Idk why it behaves like that
candid topaz
guys should I pick up death rattle or keep my corrupted amy with the 20 to all stats? I am frogs
slim finch
Hope for lp3 xD
delicate igloo
So the only time I really had fun on Primalist was a poison scorpion build in one of the early seasons. Love me a good pet build. I wanted to try Frogs last season but it was late enough that I was pretty burned out and the build didn't begin until like level 70
sly bobcat
Hope for lp3 xD
GL
delicate igloo
What's fun this season?
sly bobcat
I enjoyed upheaval. It's pretty fun with a Primal Cadence but starts to plataeu pretty early. I didn't bother with abby but I did get to him
the maxroll upheaval is basically a new take on aftershock triggers. that one is good
cold crit saber was pretty good last season and probably still good this season
delicate igloo
I just know I haven't touched the class since either of their updates 😆
sly bobcat
you can basically pick a companion and play it tbh. I think all of them have a good build associated with them
delicate igloo
I feel like I struggled with the raptors last time I tried
sly bobcat
raptor pack is pretty good
I haven't tried solo raptor since 1.0 but it has gotten a ton of new tools. primal cadence should be good with it
delicate igloo
I think I like the idea of cold crit saber of all those mentioned lol
Haven't played with that pet yet
sly bobcat
saber is a lot of fun
double apogee gives you a lot of skill points if you end up needing them. stacking dex gives cold saber a ton of flat cold damage
delicate igloo
So stack dex and cold damage?
Not many builds out there to reference so I might have to wing it 😆
candid topaz
prima is a pretty small % of the players
mossy coral
I think we're the lowest
delicate igloo
The few times I'd tried it it was pretty fun. The giant scorpion just melted everything 😶
mellow kestrel
Omg both my rings got the crit multi corrupted modifier with crit chance per dex
Y so lucky
sly bobcat
noice
limpid veldt
patent dock
hmmmm
limpid veldt
except different element, is it even close to storm crow?
mellow kestrel
This is awesome haha . Do you have planner?
limpid veldt
hmm
just realized that for squirrel
you can go cold crit
which is even further boosted by apogee
I wonder if cold crit is better than bleed
near leaf
I wonder if cold crit is better than bleed
Yes
Think so
You can use yulia Path and maelstrom too
limpid veldt
hmm
I have one more slot for BM
so right now it's between cold squirrel/bleed squirrel and rayeh's embrace
high stratus
If you want to do hit/crit aren't lightning wolves just better than anything with squirrels?
swift cypress
Does anyone know if the Ancestral Sabertooths also trigger upheaval with their basic attacks?
near leaf
Does anyone know if the Ancestral Sabertooths also trigger upheaval with their b...
99%sure they don't
limpid veldt
If you want to do hit/crit aren't lightning wolves just better than anything wit...
yeah but since I have 7 necro builds and only 6 BM builds so I have one slot left for BM
want to come up with the final slot
limpid veldt
Does anyone know if the Ancestral Sabertooths also trigger upheaval with their b...
no
@high stratus I wonder if I should go for rayeh's embrace
near leaf
Imo it's less strong than other companions but it's pretty
limpid veldt
but problem is, which to focus
spriggan or crow
and crow normal attack or crowstorm
near leaf
It's funny, I was talking about it with some friends
One is going Spriggan crit
One is going Spriggan ignite
I want to try solo Crow ignite
limpid veldt
hmm
I prefer spriggan if possible
since idk what make crow better in this armor
or maybe the combo of both spriggan and crow
high stratus
Crows are really strong but it's all about triggering crowstorm as often as possible with as many crows as possible afaik
near leaf
That's the best way indeed
I am curios about ignite with chain from gathering storm
With the buff to raven Rise and logi Hunter
That's already a lot of Cast Speed
limpid veldt
so does spriggan play any role at all?
since I wonder the percent of dmg it contributes
high stratus
spriggan is almost entirely an aura bot
I'm sure you can come up with something that would clear 1000 corruption comfortably
but it's power budget is in giving you a ton of dodge, crit, some flat etc.
mellow kestrel
I'm sure you can come up with something that would clear 1000 corruption comfort...
Aaron has been playing fire spriggan with 2 spriggan, 4 crows and 1 wolf I think. And he has no issue at 1200 corruption. Plus spriggans doing lotta dmg
limpid veldt
It has a HUGE one but it's so conditional
what condition?
high stratus
what condition?
rooted, stunned, frozen enemies IIRC
it can get like 150% more against each condition
limpid veldt
rooted, stunned, frozen enemies IIRC
which is useless vs bosses like uberroth :)))
limpid veldt
Aaron has been playing fire spriggan with 2 spriggan, 4 crows and 1 wolf I think...
whatiis the percent of spriggan's dmg compared to fire crow with crowstorm?
since going 2 spriggan means that you wont be casting crowstorm
high stratus
crows are definitely going to be better, idk about fire crows tho
cold and lightning crows both have much stronger itemisation and skill tree support afaict
limpid veldt
cold crow has apogee
lightning crow has the node 150% effect of your added lightning dmg
the only thing fire crow has is spriggan support
high stratus
150% effect of %inc lightning makes shared lightning damage immense
don't underestimate the power of getting tons of increased easily
limpid veldt
hmm
which is better now
150% increased lightning
or 48% more cold dmg
btw is there anyway to make frozen vengeance work for bm?
x bee per 10 seconds?
@high stratus how do you think about adding bee per 10 second to make frozen vengeance work?
high stratus
btw is there anyway to make frozen vengeance work for bm?
the eterra boots which summon vines while you move apparently count as a minion death when they get replaced
I don't think summoning anything else at the minion cap does count
limpid veldt
the eterra boots which summon vines while you move apparently count as a minion ...
but yulia
high stratus
ofc bees would probably die anyway but you can't depend on it
limpid veldt
prevent me from that boot
limpid veldt
ofc bees would probably die anyway but you can't depend on it
why?
high stratus
apparently their duration expiring doesn't count as a melee death
haven't tested it myself but that's what zeckar was saying yesterday I think
near leaf
<@181382775725621248> how do you think about adding bee per 10 second to make fr...
Fury leap summon vines
Or bees on idols
Or summon Thorn Totem idol
limpid veldt
Fury leap summon vines
yeah but just realized that I have inhertance for my sabertooth
btw
should I try multiple fault lines for sabertooth?
I see that the chance is halved
high stratus
doubt it
high stratus
I doubt that halving your proc rate to get more aoe is worth it
upheaval's design is incredibly careful not to allow anything that improves coverage to increase single target
limpid veldt
yeah
I can have aoe with shockwave anyway
hmm "When you hit a bleeding enemy with a melee attack all bleed stacks on that enemy double in speed"
does this stack if I have 2x taste of blood?
near leaf
Yes
tranquil lintel
double bleed squirrel dmg here
I made this build a few days ago and stacked aspect of the boar effect on idols so I was increasing the duration of bleed and then speeding up the ticks. It has really good single target damage. But the clear was less than ideal
near leaf
double bleed squirrel dmg here
It's not double Dmg
It's double dps but overall dmg is the same
limpid veldt
I made this build a few days ago and stacked aspect of the boar effect on idols ...
for increasing the duration with bleed
is the source the affixes on armor and helmet?
ah wait
grand idols too
near leaf
Take Palarus
trim folio
do Palarus stack or are they unique?
near leaf
Stack
trim folio
that's nutty
What I'm looking for exalt suff pref beside spell power
cold pen and cold dmg?
tranquil lintel
You can get flat spell damage on swords too, if that's what your asking
trim folio
yeah that's what I meant by spell power. But I have multiple 3LP palarus, why I'm asking
tranquil lintel
Id have to see your exact build but I'd think something like %cold + flat spell damage then cold pen and armor shred or fraility on hit would be the play
raven sluice
It's double dps but overall dmg is the same
I never understood the point of that axe. At least on squirrel. I wouldn't wanna have to run around and melee everything so my squirrels deal dmg?
tranquil lintel
I was using with with swipe and spirit wolves (spirit squirrels) anyway so it was just free dps increase
raven sluice
But total dps is unchanged, it would just make like rares die faster
tranquil lintel
But tbh maybe another plus skills weapon would have been better
tranquil lintel
But total dps is unchanged, it would just make like rares die faster
Well yeah it just made things smoother
On that build t4 Julra would.phase and gain a second ward barrier without taste of blood. With taste of blood I kill her before she even phases
near leaf
I never understood the point of that axe. At least on squirrel. I wouldn't wanna...
You are already doing that
Spirit wolves are too big to pass
That's extra hits
near leaf
I mean... 'there isn't better thing to do with squirrels
raven sluice
I guess maybe with how awful squirrel clear is, you actually care to melee every rare
near leaf
I am not saying the axe is good or what
I am saying you will be meleeing stuff anyway
Otherwise squirrels/wolves sucks
tranquil lintel
I don't think it's good either I just did it because I liked the idea mostly
raven sluice
Yeah, I get that you melee with wolves
patent dock
That extra-fried gif
raven sluice
I just remembered, we actually do kill the emperor
Gods do seem more... moldable or interactive with the void than just outright consumed though? Like Orobyss in the end might just be another god. Even if more powerful than the other gods due to his niche, still just a god?
Like, made of the same stuff. More powerful than Eterra, who was probably more powerful than the gods she created. But maybe not like his power is from outside reality
patent dock
Yeah, he's just a god, and not only that but he was made by humans in the first place... he's stronger than the divine era gods tho
patent dock
For sure, and we can use his power against him
raven sluice
Yeah, neat
wise leaf
patent dock
speed
trim folio
holy shit
raven sluice
I'm a huge fan of bleed bears swipes and thornburst. He got so much AoE I would want his swipe. And it kills stuff. But I imagine dmg is a lot worse?
trim folio
173 ms
wise leaf
i do funny things for movement speed
raven sluice
Also, I can just freely give him giga more dmg for CD cuz he doesn't seem to get the CD
But I doubt you have the skill slots for this on crit
raven sluice
Neat I assume. How do you use the healing though?
wise leaf
these
raven sluice
EB yourself when needed? Even useful to keep scorp alive? Seems very involved but I guess you already said it is
raven sluice
these
Aaah, that makes more sense
I wonder if any AoE mods on summon bears swipe are multiplicative
wise leaf
yeah it's overall a surprising amount of sustain
raven sluice
I might try it tbh
Though not on a spriggan form build I guess
126% more radius sounds nice, with 1 centurion for 30% minion AoE
nimble sundial
Hey i know people spoke about it before but is "solo wolf" actually a build ?
Like you take the two 85% more dmg but only 1 companion passives then the thing in wolf tree so you have 2 wolves with 170% dmg instead of 6 wolves ?
raven sluice
Hey i know people spoke about it before but is "solo wolf" actually a build ?
...
Afaik yes. I and some other people all played it in timebeast season iirc. Not sure it's better than stacking wolves, but it works
Clear is better than bleed from what I could tell
limpid veldt
Hey i know people spoke about it before but is "solo wolf" actually a build ?
...
6 wolves are better I think
2.7 x 2=5.4
at least it's what math tells
raven sluice
It's 1.85×1.75×2
potent mesa
not a SINGLE GODDAMN SWIPE
raven sluice
multiple with each others
Yup
raven sluice
You can get 8 wolves with primordial helmets, but then you lose howl of the west wind
limpid veldt
we can have 1 more companions
I think we can have up to 4 companions
since we have 1 node free and 1 node for additional companion if we have 100 combined str+dex
nimble sundial
Yeah just looking at options currently for HC.
Trying to do storm crows has the issue of being stood in melee attacking for a long time.
So thinking wolves with swipe to trigger might be a bit smoother as im not always in melee.
raven sluice
Iirc:
Primalist 2 (or is it 1 idr)
BM 1 (3)
BM node 1 (4)
BM for 100str/dex 1 (5)
Free wolf 1 (6)
River champion 1 (7)
Primordial item 1 (8)
But with howl of the west wind or scurry, you don't get the last 2
nimble sundial
My other plan is bear or scorpian as I have not really played those.
limpid veldt
My other plan is bear or scorpian as I have not really played those.
bear go
scopion sucks
wise leaf
oy
nimble sundial
bear go
Can I play bear as a fully not melee build?
Like my bear uses EQ and swipe and I just stand at range and cast blessing on it ?
Not sure if i need to go into melee to swipe for mana back
raven sluice
Scorp prolly goes one of a handful very complicated builds
wise leaf
Can I play bear as a fully not melee build?
Like my bear uses EQ and swipe and...
there's a full ranged bleed thornbear setup but i'm not sure it uses EQ
nimble sundial
Played scorp way back before it had the maelstrom stuff.
raven sluice
Venom nova with all the multis, triple dip on viper aspect and max its effect where you can, then EB to reset companion ability a lot. Or spell triggers that are messier than that
nimble sundial
Scorp felt very very zoomy tho. Well atleast until lv80 or whenever I played it till
raven sluice
Can I play bear as a fully not melee build?
Like my bear uses EQ and swipe and...
There's bleed bear that's permanently in spriggan, afaik
So you get giga armour and never melee cuz you don't have a melee ability
tranquil lintel
can you kind of automate casting EB on your companion in anyway? or is that just as clunky as i'm expecting it to be in content like omens. I see the node that casts it on your lowest health ally but im assuming that would always target frenzy totem if you were running it and I cant imagine doing a companion build without frenzy totem
raven sluice
tho it got nerfed pretty hard with some of the bear changes
I need to recheck this. They nerfed bear except EQ?
raven sluice
Ah
raven sluice
Ah
nimble sundial
I thought they just made EQ cost mana or there other stuff ?
wise leaf
can you kind of automate casting EB on your companion in anyway? or is that just...
yes, piloting is very hard cos you can't functionally autotarget with EB
tho frenzy totem isn't really a thing with scorp
raven sluice
EQ now has 60% less dmg on bears and less multipliers (both lower values and less points available) in its own tree (EQ tree)
wise leaf
especially if you're already EB'ing, EB just gives you everything frenzy totem would
tranquil lintel
tho frenzy totem isn't really a thing with scorp
I've been thinking about sabertooth, where you'd defintley want frenzy totem
wise leaf
- more
nimble sundial
Okay think ill give crows 1 more shot.
But just not going tempest strike early and just ability + swipe to trigger it then.
limpid veldt
I've been thinking about sabertooth, where you'd defintley want frenzy totem
but the double cast is bugged
wise leaf
yeah crowstorm swipe is a nice leveling spec
tranquil lintel
but the double cast is bugged
Someone tested it here recently and said it wasnt anymore, and my own test suggest that too
wise leaf
the scorp nova leveling route actually goes crowstorm swipe for like 6 levels
limpid veldt
yeah crowstorm swipe is a nice leveling spec
crowstorm is the second strongest build
nimble sundial
I did try tempest strike instead of swipe but mana the mana costs really suck if you swap at like lv10
mossy coral
but the double cast is bugged
How is it bugged?
wise leaf
crowstorm is the second strongest build
well yeah but it's also a nice leveling spec
:L
scorp nova is better as a campaign spec if you don't mind the piloting
limpid veldt
How is it bugged?
well previously it does not let the sabertooth double cast
mossy coral
Was fixed s4 though
raven sluice
Saber is fun. Plonk down totem at feet, EB spam on saber and flurry swipes
limpid veldt
well yeah but it's *also* a nice leveling spec
yeah. it's very good
nimble sundial
Nah im fine playing scorpian, from before the playstyle was good.
Unless there is new maelstrom stuff. It's just needing something play until scorpian
limpid veldt
right now it's almost on par with bear
raven sluice
The node that plonks down totem at feet is an upside on saber
Imo anyway
Easier to pilot
limpid veldt
assuming you go for dual weapon and does not follow what's maxroll is doing
mossy coral
Companions should get more MS, they're all too slow 🙁
raven sluice
Nah, saber is giga fast
wise leaf
unfortunately that's the result I got after tried it
was it just the poor boss dps and the piloting?
scorp's also pretty speedy
raven sluice
Bear is a bit slow though
limpid veldt
was it just the poor boss dps and the piloting?
yeah
wise leaf
fair
limpid veldt
well terrible boss dps to be honest
wise leaf
yeeeaaah
nimble sundial
Yeah i loved scorpian for just general mapping.
Leap slam into pack then swipe and everything dead.
limpid veldt
scopion needs a buff
mossy coral
Nah, saber is giga fast
It's faster but not enough when I played it, Idk why the AI also isn't like manifest armor it walks where you click
So it keeps up
nimble sundial
Okay think ill go wolves + swipe then into crows + swipe.
And play that until scorpian ?
nimble sundial
And go crow + swipe at 20 ?
wise leaf
ye
nimble sundial
Once you have extra companion ect
raven sluice
Did anyone test sabers attunement scaling in s5 btw? Cuz it didnt get the tag, and it didnt get any scaling according to my testing in s4. It still doesnt get the tag from what people tell me, implying it still wouldn't get scaling
wise leaf
you stock up 2 swipe passive points to take the CD node and the companion ability proc node at the same time
tranquil lintel
Did anyone test sabers attunement scaling in s5 btw? Cuz it didnt get the tag, a...
I can test it rn give me a few
nimble sundial
With thorn totem do people go titans bane for bosses ?
mossy coral
With thorn totem do people go titans bane for bosses ?
You always pick it, it's just better
nimble sundial
You always pick it, it's just better
I assumed people went poison instead first few points
wise leaf
Okay think ill go wolves + swipe then into crows + swipe.
And play that until ...
you can go a more melee based setup with swipe first specialisation to get the companion ability trigger quicker for earlier crowstorm swipe transation, but the crowstorm swipe doesn't really take off till you have EB specialisation at 20 for the companion ability reset
poison used to better but thorn totems got a 33% hit damage buff this season
limpid veldt
upheaval build cannot spec swipe
nimble sundial
Also does physical attunement wolves work ?
Just realised you can turn bolts into physical with armour shred ?
mossy coral
I assumed people went poison instead first few points
This is what the normal tree looks like, rest are filler depending on what you use it for
wise leaf
i don't think attunement scaling is worth it on any of the pysical wolf builds
mossy coral
Bolts on wolves are bait
nimble sundial
So first stuff til lv20 is just totem + tempest strike ?
tribal meteor
Hi Y'all, been putting together a shaman build based around the new Natural Wrath idol and I'm just looking for ways to scale up crit chance?
Can anyone point me in a direction what would be best sources for crits/spell crit?
- Using Legends Entwined atm, so don't want to swap if possible.
- Is the easiest way to scale crit for Shaman through Idols & gear affixes?
This is what i'm planning around, thus far got maybe half the gear and it looks promising
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BOwJJqrG
unkempt thistleBOT
nimble sundial
Okay so then swipe is ready once you swap to crows
wise leaf
ye
mossy coral
Imo take the lower part of thorn totem tree, summon 1-2 and swipe away, more totems will take longer to cast and more mana
tranquil lintel
Hi Y'all, been putting together a shaman build based around the new Natural Wrat...
if you can fit in cleaver solution the added stats might be enough to cap your crit with that amulet. It was on my version of the build but I waas melee and scaling strength harder.
wise leaf
Hi Y'all, been putting together a shaman build based around the new Natural Wrat...
unfortunately you really need some flat crit on gear
mossy coral
Amulet is giving 11 cookbook xD
wise leaf
yeah derp
mossy coral
Well endgame max rolls
tribal meteor
if you can fit in cleaver solution the added stats might be enough to cap your c...
was considering melee side as well, but wasn't sure if spell would be higher dmg
wise leaf
cleaver might do it yeah otherwise the first thing that stands out is going grasp of the blood mage and bear set on helmet instead of kuzon unfortunately
nimble sundial
For crow storm what you taking 3rd and 4th skill ?
Just ways to buff crows ?
wise leaf
3rd is EB
more crowstorms
is more damage
later you'd switch off that obv
but in leveling it's just the best way
nimble sundial
How do you sustain mana casting ability and EB ?
wise leaf
tempest strike takes way too long to come online
scale attunement, swipe mana refund, grab an oak scepter with -mana cost for spells early
get mana regen
cdr
nimble sundial
tempest strike takes way too long to come online
Yeah thats been my issue before....
wise leaf
for more swipes
tribal meteor
if you can fit in cleaver solution the added stats might be enough to cap your c...
how was the melee version? where did u push it to ?
near leaf
That extra-fried gif <:omegalulportal:1105866053579448410>
I am clueless why discord is frying all my gif
mossy coral
Have you tried to cool your computer by dipping it in water?
near leaf
or dragonflame
If you go crit it's really bad imo
wise leaf
oh it feels good to actually be making money again after doing that damn cemetary of reweaving farming and just basically nothing worth selling the entire time
near leaf
Have you tried to cool your computer by dipping it in water?
Should try on my phone
nimble sundial
Just to check an interaction does wolf howl give totems frenzy?
tranquil lintel
ok so assuming that the offline charcter buff is working properly
near leaf
It should yeah
mossy coral
sabertooth doesnt scale with attunement
Re-summon it
tranquil lintel
I did
mossy coral
hm
near leaf
Why would it?
mossy coral
cause he picked that node
mossy coral
I know that upheaval totems it makes scales with it
mossy coral
Saber is a dog according to this node
near leaf
If you pass your mouse over saber, does the Att scaling shows?
tranquil lintel
If you pass your mouse over saber, does the Att scaling shows?
narp
near leaf
Well
mossy coral
tranquil lintel
lemme test again
mossy coral
The anti-anti snapshotting tech
tranquil lintel
so the summon sabertooth skill doesnt have attunement tag
oh no nvm, flurry swipes has the attunement tag by default, right?
raven sluice
Should just be for mana cost
near leaf
Mana eff yes
raven sluice
Ye
mossy coral
Now add that to crowstorm 
wise leaf
wtf why are nemesis bricked face of the mountains like at least 100k
wise leaf
i got that from 2 echos
mossy coral
xD
wise leaf
i ain't farming the dungeon rofl
i'm just sellin shit
some nemesis bricked stuff is actually worth a relatively nice amount cos it's useful to reroll stuff
tranquil lintel
Ok i did the test again but with dropped gear incase the attribute buff wasn't working properly and there was no damage change
for the melee attack and flurry swipes
wise leaf
man
just had a thought
imagine if the maelstrom node was instead "your scorpion's activated ability is now maelstrom, casting it X times, bonuses that would apply to nova instead apply to maelstrom"
still 4 points and it casts a stack per point
imagine
we can dream
tranquil lintel
how was the melee version? where did u push it to ?
the most damage i've gotten out of natural wrath is just to use it to convert eq to lightning so I can scale the damage with elemental damage over time without having to waste 4 points in the eq tree converting to fire
tribal meteor
so u just went for the DOT aftershock side instead of initial slams?
tranquil lintel
I tried doing stuff with storm stacks, upheaval and giving eq a cooldown + triple slam then bypassing it by using upheaval but the damage wasnt as high as id hoped and its kind of clunky
patent dock
I am clueless why discord is frying all my gif
Oh lol I thought that was intentional, maybe discord is just slamming corruptions on your gifs 
tribal meteor
I tried doing stuff with storm stacks, upheaval and giving eq a cooldown + tripl...
btw, upheaval is kinda irrelevant for my setup, i had it early on, but realised doesn't contribute much to begin with except for the defensive bits.
as the idol is proccing EQ through hits with upheaval, Avalanche boulders have 100% to cast it, so it automates it that way and removed any clunkiness
with Stormcarved testiment, the build is now fully automated i can just hold GS and everything just gets nuked
tranquil lintel
how does the mana feel on your setup ?
whenever I tried to have the avalanche, eq upheaval loop I couldnt sustain the mana
tribal meteor
0 issues, i always have surplus of mana and if i want to absolutely melt something i cast 4-5 avalanches on the open and then just hold GS
i go down to about 50% mana and go back up in 2-3 secs
yea, my setup doesnt consume full mana of the avalanche to begin with and thus far its stupid tanky as well
tranquil lintel
ahh, I see. I was taking the crater node in avalanche. Maybe that was overkill
the node which triggers eq's every third large boulder
tribal meteor
unkempt thistleBOT
tribal meteor
this is my current char in-game
i played about with different nodes/skills and personally, this feels the best, it does have a bit of a ramp-up, but i'm consistently sitting at 45+ stacks of GS
well storm stacks*
tribal meteor
ahh, I see. I was taking the crater node in avalanche. Maybe that was overkill
oh u went the channel side, that eats stupid mana
currently in-game without any buffs active, EQ shows 272k tooltip dmg
patent dock
oh u went the channel side, that eats stupid mana
Channeled avalanche is more mana efficient than the normal cast, it's just slower
tribal meteor
Channeled avalanche is more mana efficient than the normal cast, it's just slowe...
sorry meant for this type of setup, cuz u are just spending time channeling instead of regaining mana back
also adds another clunky factor to it, as it is attack based build, this is something resembling a Spellblade build in the way it plays
tranquil lintel
I wasnt actually casting it, holding downGS and using a boulder idol and an aftershock idol then eq procs boulder, boulders proc eq + upheaval and give storm stacks
but mana goes bye bye
tribal meteor
yea, i tried that, it also didn't feel good, on idols u want aftershock chance on melee attack
cuz aftershocks will cast boulders, boulders will cast upheaval, upheaval will cast EQ, in the mean time u just attack with GS recovering mana and building stacks
tranquil lintel
on your eq tree you could go -1 point potency, -1 rupture, +1 concussion and + 1 staggering force
and you'd more damage and alot more stun, the cooldown doesnt matter for eq's cast by upheaval
raven sluice
Ok i did the test again but with dropped gear incase the attribute buff wasn't w...
Ty for testing! 👍
tribal meteor
on your eq tree you could go -1 point potency, -1 rupture, +1 concussion and + 1...
good shout, tbf didn't even read through properly those upper nodes, thanks
slim finch
That's sad. The brutality breaking the build :S
high stratus
slim finch
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/galugalu/character/CastOnCrit check out t...
Looks very solid at first view 😉
patent dock
Could be using boulder on spell cast idols for more boulders
tranquil lintel
yooo essence weaver getting some love
tribal meteor
just to show you the game play atm @tranquil lintel - Tapping Maelstrom every now and then, Avalanche on open vs harder targets, maintain GS
neon steppe
@mellow kestrel https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5PaGYGn here is that tsunami swarmblade, its kinda meme espeically on bosses b/c potions dont drop
unkempt thistleBOT
high stratus
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/nsp023/character/AnotherGDshaman lowlife melee aftershock idols
mossy coral
That's sad. The brutality breaking the build :S
Yeah corrupting amulets is the most risky part tbh
tranquil lintel
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/nsp023/character/AnotherGDshaman lowlife ...
I like this, might try some of your ideas on my build
high stratus
not my ideas, just stuff I'm seeing on the ladder
EQ tree looks wrong to me
shatterquake not taken, afaik it works for dot aftershocks
tranquil lintel
it defintley does, yeah
high stratus
divining totem not working with AS idols afaik
tranquil lintel
well they've had alot of the same thoughts as I have
yeah it only works if you self cast eq
mossy coral
Lol he's using Thunder tempest..
high stratus
I'm not sure how much mana he's spending for the belt too
tranquil lintel
I feel like tempest could just be swipe in their build tho
mossy coral
Also why, direct summon on bosses??
tranquil lintel
it depends if they're dumping their entire mana pool into eq
then filling it back up with tempest quickly, it could be alot
mossy coral
It looks like it's dump on bosses
But why not just warcry on the boss instead of manually cast the totem
tranquil lintel
with thorn totems the aftershocks go kinda wild but only if the boss is big enough to actually be in most of the overlaps
yeah thats weird
mossy coral
And no LP on Laup lol, maybe he just swapped to it for testing
Aftershocks barely get any AoE from the tree, really meh tbh
Would do a lot on emperor for example, but others not so sure
tranquil lintel
yeah its basically only good on the rotund harbinger, emperor and abberoth
mossy coral
Yeah
tranquil lintel
most other bosses are only getting hit by 2 aftershocks
the only reason i can see for the self cast is that they wanted another way to move their totems if the boss moves, but I cant think why else they'd take that
mossy coral
Idk if 6 totems would make it more or less consistent or not
tranquil lintel
I felt like thorn totems worked better for the armor shred personally
mossy coral
I feel like getting every more and just hitting with aftershocks from idols is better than that, seems more worth
tranquil lintel
i just gave up on laup's and added wolf for another way to scale damage
mossy coral
It's -60% more and no armor shred from totems, companions could also increase the dmg
tranquil lintel
what do you mean by -60% more?
mossy coral
He doesn't have the 15% more against chilled enemies x4
neon steppe
So when minions are unsumonned (i.e. bees after 10 seconds) does this count as minion death for apogee?
or do they actually have to be killed by a mob
mossy coral
Not sure with bees, but other minions no. If Vines reaches overcap that counts for whatever reason
You used to be able to do that with thorn totem iirc
neon steppe
so vines are really the only way?
mossy coral
Or bees dying, they have the lowest health
no investment in totems also dies pretty fast in 100c+ usually
patent dock
Yeah, oversummoning vines is the only way to force minion death triggers on primalist
mossy coral
Crab ring is also squishy, it doesn't have the 50% reduced dmg taken
patent dock
bees are pretty decent since they autosummon and do die to sneezes, but not as reliable as vines
tranquil lintel
I hate playing without evade
mossy coral
Same
high stratus
Aftershocks barely get any AoE from the tree, really meh tbh
I can't remember if Scorp's EQ/AS work with divining totem or not but maybe scorp & minion AOE mods gets enough AOE to do the totem ring aftershock overlap thing
mossy coral
It might
high stratus
could do it in spriggan form with those really tightly packed healing totem trios
patent dock
I can't remember if Scorp's EQ/AS work with divining totem or not but maybe scor...
Scorp cannot interact with your totems (no divining and no shatter)
tranquil lintel
sadge
high stratus
Scorp cannot interact with your totems (no divining and no shatter)
🙁
does bear?
bear EQ doing aftershocks on a tight pack of totems?
tranquil lintel
nemesis be wild
patent dock
Pretty sure bear doesn't either
tranquil lintel
high stratus
damn, divining totem is really tough to use isn't it
mossy coral
Man that's a pretty nice 2h sword
tranquil lintel
damn, divining totem is really tough to use isn't it
i wish it worked how you'd think
neon steppe
bees are pretty decent since they autosummon and do die to sneezes, but not as r...
what about locusts?
nimble sundial
BTW did people get power claws storm crows working ?
I know people played around with using some gain mana on hit stuff. But also 6 mana per crow attack sounds expensive
high stratus
I guess with the old no-cooldown thorn totem idols you could rely on the hits from aftershocks to spawn single totems on top of enemies rapidly
mossy coral
⚡⚡⚡ Dew it ⚡⚡⚡
neon steppe
can i swarm strike to kill them?
patent dock
what about locusts?
Uhhh actually, not sure. Swarmblade form is generally not good for minion setups.
tranquil lintel
before I do anything, does anyone know how shattering swords into merophage works?
like could i make some insane merophage with that thing
mossy coral
Uhhh actually, not sure. Swarmblade form is generally not good for minion setup...
But it has minion damage scaling on swarm strike! 
neon steppe
scorp would be doing dmg via tsunami im just trying to max it
high stratus
BTW did people get power claws storm crows working ?
I know people played arou...
solo crow BM desperately trying to tempest strike fast enough to still have mana
patent dock
But it has minion damage scaling on swarm strike! <:kappa:570776921554681905>
lol, well it has it on locust swarm, technically, even though it's useless 🥲
neon steppe
i freeze stuff -> dive -> nuke goes off
patent dock
scorp would be doing dmg via tsunami im just trying to max it
You will get more benefit just being beastmaster
mossy coral
before I do anything, does anyone know how shattering swords into merophage work...
Test it in offline
tranquil lintel
Test it in offline <:omegalul:570776988327870475>
good idea
patent dock
like could i make some insane merophage with that thing
Merophage goes off the shards you would have gotten from the shatter, so most of the time it'll be a trash outcome
mossy coral
It's NEVER used, so why not. Delete the weapon and no one would even notice
tranquil lintel
today is probably the most its been mentioned in a long time
patent dock
Like why not
Because that would mean every mero is 6-7 LP
mossy coral
Busted? Nerf it a bit, I don't think it's that op anyways
tranquil lintel
Because that would mean every mero is 6-7 LP
prehaps they could remove +1 all skills
mossy coral
Because that would mean every mero is 6-7 LP
Yeah and? Endgame weapon anyways
tranquil lintel
now its fixed
mossy coral
And you want to corrupt it, which means it can brick
Ah yeah it will be broken guys, meanwhile lvl 38 blade dancer
falconer, you name it
tranquil lintel
i had an idea give us a way to rune of creation unique's
like put it behind a pinnacle boss or something but id kill to make a copy of a unique before I corrupt it
make it untradable too
mossy coral
Maybe have a chance for it to have less LP if unlucky
tranquil lintel
we like to gamble
mossy coral
So you can't print 4LP items
tranquil lintel
because this 3lp architecs is looking at me in my stash and it's begging me not to brick it
mossy coral
High LP is a love-hate relationship, you want it but also the perfect item to slam it on so it'll just sit there and not be used
Its what I dislike the most
GG item you want to use but also min max it
tranquil lintel
about an hour before it dropped I wasted a double t7 strength + %health exalt on a 2lp thinking id never get anything better
tranquil lintel
GG item you want to use but also min max it
then you just have to pray to the nemesis gods
mossy coral
Nemesis towers all day
tranquil lintel
@high stratus I've seen you mention werebear rampage eq a few times recently, is the tech to just spam click rampage. There's nothing else you have to do ?
high stratus
<@181382775725621248> I've seen you mention werebear rampage eq a few times rece...
yeah
afaik
I've never tried it myself, just seen a couple of builds/videos
looks dumb as hell but seems to work
vague karma
shaman bad.
high stratus
When you could print 3T7 exalts via imprints in 1.3 nobody did anything interesting with merophage
mossy coral
Shaman is lacking yep
high stratus
if it ever had a day I think that day has passed
shaman has glaring issues but there are still people doing like 2k corruption on it
well, one person
vague karma
who and what build and why is it actually a spriggan build sprinkled with shaman passives?
high stratus
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/TooMuchLuck/character/TMLPrim looks like tsunami/avalanche at 2k corruption somehow
not a clue tbh
vague karma
ah yes Tornado, the skill that makes it so you see jack shit in the game. very good. the skill that can convert to fire and apply many ignites when there are NO generic damage over time passives for shaman to take or ignite or fire. Very good. Oh you mean tornado 14 stormbolts a second? Oh wait what you actually mean is cast on crit avalanche - the only spell that deals damage but it costs a shitton of mana. ah yes the same tornado build we have been playing for two years now. Yes very updated, guess shaman doesnt need any reworks or buffs. three skills by the way.
tranquil lintel
maybe they just press avalanche at the edge of their screen
high stratus
none of us disagree with you about shaman's issues lol, it's paper thin, doesn't scale crit, tries to force you into melee to recover any mana while being paper thin, you have to go out of your way to get leech but you also can't get any decent ward
but it's still true that people are doing good corruption pushing by anyone's standards
mossy coral
Tbf there's a guy on sentinel that's rebuke gaming, walks slower than a snail and just rebuke
vague karma
im just ranting, i thought 1.4 would be big changes. it wasnt. not really.
vague karma
heard that before lol
mossy coral
You're telling me this ain't good enough for you and you want more!?
near leaf
i think its in the works for the next big update
Mike didn't say next season
But he did mention they are holding on changes to make it a big change
near leaf
You're telling me this ain't good enough for you and you want more!? <:kappa:570...
Lightning cd Swipe goes brrrr
mossy coral
They gotta stop holding and start giving
high stratus
primalist is definitely the problem child of last epoch in terms of failed reworks
vague karma
You're telling me this ain't good enough for you and you want more!? <:kappa:570...
i dont know what EGH is smoking tbh - that passive is just there to induce rage.
vague karma
does it atleast scale with cooldown recovery....?
near leaf
Yeah and that's the buff it got <:omegalulportal:1105866053579448410>
Wanna check what is in that exact spot in BD? 😏
mossy coral
Wanna check what is in that exact spot in BD? 😏
Oh yeah, probably nothing too crazy!
near leaf
does it atleast scale with cooldown recovery....?
No, it's not a skill on your skill bar
high stratus
i dont know what EGH is smoking tbh - that passive is just there to induce rage.
and yet there's somehow more beyond the chain support for melee than spells and despite maybe being the most mana hungry mastery you just can't sustain mana
vague karma
No, it's not a skill on your skill bar
GG
limpid veldt
@high stratus @near leaf hmm, now there is one problem with fire crow build
should I use spriggan?
high stratus
not to mention all the storm bolts but not storm stacks stuff
just give us storm stacks instead of casting a bolt here and there
limpid veldt
because I can have like 6 companions maximum if I don't take the frog helmet
tranquil lintel
does anyone know if excited bolts on GS uses rage if you're transformed?
high stratus
does anyone know if excited bolts on GS uses rage if you're transformed?
it does
limpid veldt
if I use spriggan then crowstorm does less dmg
vague karma
yes exactly - theres conditional good stuff for having storm stacks - yet very very few ways to get storm stacks (storm breaker and using zdps gathering storm)
limpid veldt
but if I use the frog helmet then I wont have the t-rex and endurance stacking stuff
near leaf
because I can have like 6 companions maximum if I don't take the frog helmet
Why not taking the frog helmet?
high stratus
does anyone know if excited bolts on GS uses rage if you're transformed?
bearnado bolts seems to be using that with rage on hit to make the cost of excited bolts take rage while your mana regens in the background
mossy coral
And like, why is it 10 points for 40% mana regen and not 5? Beats me.
near leaf
Ah t-rex
limpid veldt
Why not taking the frog helmet?
since I want to do t-rex like what maxroll did
maxroll has a storm crow build with t-rex
vague karma
And like, why is it 10 points for 40% mana regen and not 5? Beats me.
because runing out of mana is fun on a spell build.
limpid veldt
with endurance stacking it's actually good
near leaf
Imo doing fire Crowstorm is just a worse version of cold or lightning Crowstorm
There are no real benefit to do it
mossy coral
because runing out of mana is fun on a spell build.
Can't have you powerful enough, gotta make sure you have all points and affixes invested in mana regen so you can deal zdps with 100% uptime!
Yeah you're losing 10 shock stacks
tranquil lintel
bearnado bolts seems to be using that with rage on hit to make the cost of excit...
thats some pretty sweet tech. I was thinking about trying something with spriggan and bolts + mana stacking . But who's bernado bolts?
mossy coral
SharkBearnado
tranquil lintel
oh I see
high stratus
because runing out of mana is fun on a spell build.
EHG are very keen to gate powerful effects behind high mana costs which is why tempest strike costs 16 mana
tranquil lintel
I read it as Bernado haha
high stratus
yeah u gotta be a druid to get rage on hit stuff
vague karma
EHG are very keen to gate powerful effects behind high mana costs which is why t...
i think thats balanced since tempest strike deals 24m hits. Oh wait thats bladedancer.
high stratus
tbf blade dancer was kinda weak in 1.2
mossy coral
I love our shadows
high stratus
surely it'll be avalanche's time next
mossy coral
It wasn't really weak, it was just a bit more clunky
high stratus
they did huge buffs to channeled avalanche in 1.4 and it's still just so mediocre
and you can't afford to use it to trigger a ton of shit either
nimble sundial
Okay storm crows leveling is up and running.
Just wondering as maxroll suggests bear leveling, is bear "better" or just better single target so faster overall ?
vague karma
You can never make me play a channelling skill in this game.
mossy coral
I once wanted to, Ghostflame to trigger the curse and deal damage. Channel, stop, channel, stop and it would feel okay to use but that did as much damage as tempest strike
high stratus
I get where you're coming from but having it keep going for 3s after you stop lets you stay fairly mobile and save a lot of mana
vague karma
Oh i was referreing to actually channeling, the thing where you just activate it and it follows you (and similar function in other skills) is fine and bareable.
high stratus
apparently you can make ghostflame deal over a million dps but it requires about as much setup as summoning abom in 1.2 did and relies on a bunch of snapshots so you literally can't stop
mossy coral
Channeling needs movement and instant gratification otherwise it has no place in this type of game imo, standing still already is bad enough
mossy coral
apparently you can make ghostflame deal over a million dps but it requires about...
Back when curses actually worked
Pretty sure at least
high stratus
what annoys me about chavalanche is how it starts out totally inaccurate and only tightens up after a second or so
idk what's going on with that but the first bunch of boulders that drop just go everywhere
mossy coral
Hey, we can channel tornado now
And take waaaaaaaay less damage, so in a way we're like warlocks
high stratus
Hey, we can channel tornado now
channel is one thing but channel spelldot is taking it too far
it's not like stormbolts are stronger if you channel the tornado lol
tranquil lintel
i think it was d3 but you could channel and cast tp whilst channeling and it didnt even break the cast. So you could snapshot a channel and then just tp your way through a map at max damage. thtat was kinda sweet
high stratus
with the cooldown on teleport in d3 I can't imagine trying to do that
tal rasha gang
give me multi colored meteors or give me death
tranquil lintel
just never make me play that slow time set again
high stratus
literally the only piano build in any arpg i've enjoyed playing tbh
mossy coral
Holy moly I read tal kasha first and pogged out for a sec
tranquil lintel
i hated that
mossy coral
literally the only piano build in any arpg i've enjoyed playing tbh
für elise gaming
high stratus
one button builds with extremely cool triggers and interactions are the platonic form of ARPG gaming but i'll give special dispensation for tal rasha
mossy coral
Suuuuuurely this can't be that bad, 14.5 mana cost in a perfect world
vague karma
only 24 mana regen with 128 apathy - wtf.
high stratus
bluefeather band
mossy coral
Well mana regen reduces it by 48%
high stratus
do you really need to use that amulet?
you're fire converting EQ right? barely benefitting from it
mossy coral
Yeah how else would I get more crit and no leech?
Can't use pots if I don't have that
high stratus
more crit?
mossy coral
Ok leech might not be a problem, but potions gives ward instead
vague karma
whats the mana cost of the EQ?
mossy coral
whats the mana cost of the EQ?
14,5 with perfect rolls on bluefeather band
vague karma
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVa97K5l this is what im currently playing
unkempt thistleBOT
mossy coral
Pretty rough to get crits as a shaman tbh
high stratus
cold warcry helps but yeah it's really tough
mossy coral
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVa97K5l this is what im currently playi...
You don't have 5 second CD on warcry!?
vague karma
You don't have 5 second CD on warcry!?
yeah, im testing setups on the warcry, considering the 5cd, but with the amount of crits i get anyway the cd isnt too bad anyway due to the crit passive. nothing set in stone yet. Frenzy may be a far away dream to fit in into the build.
mossy coral
Just get frenzy corrupt on relic
vague karma
aiming for dot leech on relic+ring, so i can ditch ash wake and use fiery dragon shoes
mossy coral
Also not impossible to have maelstroms to give you haste/frenzy, but that also takes mana
vapid canopy
Earthquake really hits like a truck damn
Especially on beastmaster
I mostly played druid/shaman so far and they seem pretty underwhelming compared to beastmaster (except of maybe storm druid)
mossy coral
or all res have to be +20% overcap?
You want 40% overcapped res, it's per resistance you have
vivid shoal
i see
mossy coral
If you only have 75% necrotic res you won't benefit from necrotic hit, but fire res which is like 174 will from fire hits/dots
mossy coral
Yeah you can ignore void/necrotic/poison res with it
vivid shoal
just overcap phys and ele res and you are done
patent dock
Suuuuuurely this can't be that bad, 14.5 mana cost in a perfect world
Is this an ignite build or something? Or where are you getting your flat damage?
I feel like passives and one T7 spell damage sword isn't enough flat spell
near leaf
Is this an ignite build or something? Or where are you getting your flat damage...
That's the thing
You aren't getting flat
Typical catzy 
patent dock
😅
mossy coral
Wdym you get 80 flat from lightning node
I just tried it offline and I did 300k crits only lol
mossy coral
Typical catzy <:MikeBee:1182373948328005834>
Flat is my enemy 😭
14 mana cost at least
patent dock
From the one that gives +10?
mossy coral
When you convert it to spell lightning the hit gets 80 flat
patent dock
It's still +10 added
mossy coral
It doesnt say lightning damage
high stratus
From the one that gives +10?
I thought flat on skill trees was listed as though the skills had 100ADE and then multiplied by the ADE
mossy coral
Isnt it the same as you had that as added damage?
patent dock
It doesnt say lightning damage
Oh, you mean just the base damage? 👀
nimble sundial
So is bear bead now ?
Currently HC ladder is just frogs and crows. Has bear fallen off or is the nerfs just enough to make it 3rd best ?
patent dock
I thought flat on skill trees was listed as though the skills had 100ADE and the...
For the conversion, I'm pretty sure it's the base damage listed, not added damage
+80 for the base skill would be a crazy high amount of starting damage for a skill, granted even at 80 base it's higher base than most skills have (which is equivalent to +20)
high stratus
@karmic bison 1m crits doesn't sound great for tsunami, is the scaling just not there?
short kayak
Anyone have a lightning wolf build for this season?
high stratus
Anyone have a lightning wolf build for this season?
@mossy coral
vague karma
Problem is, amulet is a verry contested gear slot for powerfull alternatives. A amulet thats just for ease of EHP is nice and all, but you are missing out on some really powerfull other amulets.
vague karma
<@505019563591729152> 1m crits doesn't sound great for tsunami, is the scaling j...
my understanding of the new tsunami shit is that you can end up with like 2000% more multiplier for tsunami, but its hard to keep up.
karmic bison
<@505019563591729152> 1m crits doesn't sound great for tsunami, is the scaling j...
The scaling is there but still requires gearing
20 stacks capped but I can get double at 40, thats where you want to be before you add in more flat damage
nimble sundial
Okay can confirm bear feel off.
Current HC ladder scorpian clearing higher corruption than bear.
high stratus
The scaling is there but still requires gearing
maybe it's better overall but it just sounds so much less appealing than using the avalanche boulders for something
mossy coral
Oh, you mean just the base damage? 👀
Yeah 80 should be plenty, sword can have 24 or 50 if you want t7 so it should be enough (and the flat from Shaman tree)
patent dock
Yeah 80 should be plenty, sword can have 24 or 50 if you want t7 so it should be...
I'm not convinced it's 80 added damage, I'd have to test to be sure
vague karma
its the same thing is it not? it just adds 80 to the base.
patent dock
Regardless, it wouldn't be enough imo
patent dock
its the same thing is it not? it just adds 80 to the base.
No, 80 base damage is just 80 damage, +80 damage is 480 damage
Because EQ has 600% added damage effectiveness
short kayak
<@106679043612491776>
Save me 😄
nimble sundial
BTW did anyone figure out scorpian baby ?
Or are they just a meme option ?
patent dock
BTW did anyone figure out scorpian baby ?
Or are they just a meme option ?
Just meme
vague karma
Save me 😄
just pick the skill that gets your the most storm bolts and storm stacks, combo that with your lightning wolves - GG.
high stratus
Save me 😄
you can either do double tempest maw with T7 flat melee lightning damage or whetstone gavel w/ t7 lightning & exalted crescent axe with T7 lightning for base damage, spam swipe to get spirit wolves and trigger west wind helm
short kayak
Got a build by any chance?
high stratus
not a planner, no
vague karma
I dont think you will have a fun time having to scale the wolves so they attack fast and can survive, while also scaling the spell damage of the storm bolts (which use your stats, not your minion stats).
mossy coral
I'm not convinced it's 80 added damage, I'd have to test to be sure
Probably, cause I did zdps
high stratus
I dont think you will have a fun time having to scale the wolves so they attack ...
wolf bolts use wolf stats don't they?
anyway wolf bolts suck, 10% chance on hit is far far too low
and they won't retaliate much against anything you need the damage against
short kayak
I mainly wanna try it cause i have a bunch of good LP items for the shell and wolves sick. Not planning on uber abby or insane corruption
high stratus
well ignore the stormbolts stuff, they don't really do anything as I said
what you can do is get 2 wolves with really good melee damage
nimble sundial
anyway wolf bolts suck, 10% chance on hit is far far too low
Yeah just give us "attacks are replaced by bolts"
vague karma
Use this , get like 6 wolves up at all times, not sure if spirit wolves use your wolf skill tree.
nimble sundial
Use this , get like 6 wolves up at all times, not sure if spirit wolves use your...
Umm you read the first line of that idol right ?
high stratus
Use this , get like 6 wolves up at all times, not sure if spirit wolves use your...
reading comprehension failure lol. "you cannot summon more than 1 of any type of companion" that means you can only get 1 wolf not you can only summon wolves
nimble sundial
Frogs however can use this idol
high stratus
what you really want to do is take the solo companion nodes in beastmaster and skill permanent bond, that gets you two wolves with the scaling of a solo wolf
vague karma
I read it as you can only have 1 type of companion
nimble sundial
Okay could I remove tempest strike from storm crows and add 1 wolf?
Just cos howl will give all my crows haste and frenzy. Or is that trade off never worth it ?
glad hinge
Anyone knows a good primalist build that stacks strength and where immortal vise is usable?
high stratus
the +60-80 flat from gladiator of lagon is considerably better than what wolf does
wolf has some melee buffs which crows don't benefit from
nimble sundial
wolf has some melee buffs which crows don't benefit from
Ahh I thought it was generic dmg howl gave.
Just thinking of ways to remove the tempest strike stand in melee aspect. And just go crowstorm + swipe
But 60 flat dmg on 6 crows is big.....
high stratus
it's 80 when fully stacked
but keeping full stacks up the whole time in tough fights isn't realistic and it takes a few seconds to fully stack
uhh
96 I mean
12 per second, 8 second duration
nimble sundial
Yeah 60 is assuming your moving ect.
But guess its too big of a dmg loss
high stratus
yeah
oh i forgot it gets doubled for crows
yeah you really cannot skip tempest strike
high stratus
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/storm-crows-beastmaster-guide maybe some things in here you might want to steal
nimble sundial
Yeah i have seen that
Played storm crows before also
Maybe i just go scorpian until frogs
mossy coral
Anyone have a lightning wolf build for this season?
My current character, don't need the amu/belt/relic/gloves
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbO5dXx
unkempt thistleBOT
violet mica
it says that I can have up to 10 aftershock per 2 sec, so If I got for example 4 idols, I could get 40 aftershocks? or they share CD?
Can I trigger each idol per 1 melee strike?
mossy coral
it says that I can have up to 10 aftershock per 2 sec, so If I got for example 4...
They share CD, also maximum chance is 100% per melee attack
violet mica
so answer is no?
mossy coral
The answer is no
violet mica
but for example same idol with a smite I can trigger using 1 throw attack.
mossy coral
Multiple idols just increases the chances
nimble sundial
but for example same idol with a smite I can trigger using 1 throw attack.
I think thats also limit of 100%
mossy coral
Smite is also per hit, this is per attack
vivid shoal
it says that I can have up to 10 aftershock per 2 sec, so If I got for example 4...
i'm building aftershocks right now
violet mica
yes, I know, that
vivid shoal
you might want to use omen idols
violet mica
i'm building aftershocks right now
melee or caster?
vivid shoal
melee or caster?
melee
patent dock
I'm building boulder proc idols lol
vivid shoal
I'm building boulder proc idols lol
This is something i always wanted to do but never tried. Caster shaman/spriggan?
I wonder what would be the interaction between those idols and the snowball set