🐺┃primalist

[tranquil lintel]

thats actually worth doing

[sly bobcat]

I have close to 200% increased attack speed with tempest strike

that might cause some issues

[mossy coral]

I think one flaw of LE is the level requirements, you need to be over lvl 80 to even use normal items, you could have t3 affix upgraded to t4 at lvl 83 for example, it makes absolutely no sense

[left cliff]

Is "Lightning Strike" supposed to be "Storm Bolt" here?

[mossy coral]

yes

Lightning strike was the old name and got replaced with gathering storms Storm bolts

[left cliff]

I see, thanks!

[patent dock]

Yeah, it can be effective, but it is mega clunky and getting that many bleeds takes a lot of investment

[tranquil lintel]

I think the other problem is reliably getting your locusts within the swarm strike area to get the max added damage, just feels really awkward and ontop of that the damage is split between poison and phys

[patent dock]

The locusts aren't too bad, you can just summon new ones and pop them before they go anywhere - or I guess use a bunch of those minion teleport effects lol

but it certainly is just one more thing on top of all the other clunk

they also die easily since you're not scaling minion stats

[tranquil lintel]

despite all of this I tempted to give that idea another go

[mossy coral]

Wait EGH if you have proc thorn totems on hit with laup on you get the bleed stacks on yourself

20 bleed stacks on myself

At least you can get 20 ignite stacks on yourself easily with Immolator

If you use Hubris

[tranquil lintel]

not all squirrels are made the same

[mossy coral]

That's 2 big hairy squirrels

[radiant matrix]

I just realized I wrote 'a good pet totem' what makes no sense. I think I meant 'a good pet build' but was too tired lol

[winged swallow]

That's a weird looking cat

[neon steppe]

does totem shatter in upheavl benefit from the more damage mods in upheaval / thorn totem?

[winged swallow]

Man Varion just REFUSES to give me their boots

[near leaf]

In Upheaval yes

In Thorn Totem no

Because it's your spell

[near leaf]

Saber, Bear, squirrels, lightning Wolves

[karmic bison]

People sleeping on scorpion avalanche oof

[near leaf]

I am too disappointed in Scorp to recommand it

Maybe I should try Scorp Avalanche

[tardy frost]

how does it compare with bear/saber tho?

[neon steppe]

tsunami scorp does good damage

goes without saying tho

its clunky

[tardy frost]

yea but saber can have a more or less comparable clear with a much less annoying playstyle

but they were discussing ava scorp tho

a different build

[neon steppe]

oh

nvm then

[tranquil lintel]

im really not enjoying the clear with squirrels

thinking of trying bear or saber isntead but I dont want to deviate from bleed

[mossy coral]

If youre not using arena echos its a pain, almost impossible without

[mossy coral]

Saber bleed is good, Idk about clear maybe upheaval shockwaves can be enough

[tranquil lintel]

thats what im thinking, I do alot of damage right now but im only hitting 4-5 enemies at a time. Omens are a nightmare

[karmic bison]

You should its giga damage

And decent clear

You can either go snow crash while mapping for smoother aoe or you can go all in on good ol triple slam eq.

[upper jungle]

stormbear doing any good this season?

[high stratus]

Triple slam with no less damage mod no less!

[patent dock]

Feels very clunky imo

Delay for scorp to slap enemies, delay waiting for 30% proc, delay for boulder to fall

[karmic bison]

Yeah lol

[tranquil lintel]

games trying to tell me to try lightning wolves

[high stratus]

dmg per shock for lightning slam is 100% more, hit dmg per poison converted is another 30% and you get a really good shock chance on scorp with that route.

It's pretty cool

[high stratus]

it feels really bad when you're hitting and the boulders take ages to fall, but it's really not that bad when it's a minion. There's just not the same feedback between hit and effect

imo anyway

[karmic bison]

Its not even bad with attack speed lol...

[patent dock]

It's just my opinion, ofc others may feel differently

[sly bobcat]

thread on reddit is complaining that it's impossible to farm out multi-exalts now. meanwhile I'm wondering how I'm gonna turn this into my phys staff

[karmic bison]

If ur cof it drops crazy common

[near leaf]

Oh no

[patent dock]

May as well also complain it's difficult to farm out 4 LPs

[karmic bison]

I got triple and quad exalts. Its faster then ever to get insane gear lol

Its all thanks to omens

[near leaf]

The skin is sooooooooo visually loud

[sly bobcat]

I was wondering why I heard vraiment and then I remembered

[near leaf]

Its Wow Raid night tonight ^^

[high stratus]

that was so french

🇬🇧

[sly bobcat]

I kept replaying it to try seeing how much I could understand lol. it's different hearing natural spoken language instead of just practice exercises

[sly bobcat]

yeah the complaints are that you can't print things for free with the imprint chains like you could before

but like, just getting double exalts from drops is still possible and at the same rate as previously. it takes more target farming of nemesis and now omens

[karmic bison]

Yeah people shouldn't be relying on imprints for drops. Its faster to target farm unique props and drop lps and then egg the non lp's

[mossy coral]

Sir I think that's Jean

[near leaf]

Game is dead, we cant get 5 triple t7 every 15 min by opening chests

[karmic bison]

TRUE

[mossy coral]

o7

I'd rather have imprints than clicking re-roll on prophecies all day, even though I only use imprints for uniques or truq rings

[karmic bison]

I think people just need to learn how to play the game and not be so impatient but redditt is never patient and always expects perfection

[sly bobcat]

there were some people being pretty loud about it in here too

vowed they were done with the game since they couldn't farm for perfect 3T7 drops anymore

afaik they're still actively playing

[karmic bison]

Yeah weird

[high stratus]

don't like prophecies much at all tbh

monolith, non monolith + whatever you want and you spend longer rolling prophecies than you do turning shit into loot pinatas

[mossy coral]

I hate them, forced to do them and it takes me out of the game loop

Why can't I just click to focus on Helmets and get a quest to kill champions for a bit as a quest

Why do I have to re-roll until I get kill 5 champions or do t4 x,y dungeon

[naive magnet]

that would be sooo nice

screw that reroll button

I have PTSD from idol prophecies

[sly bobcat]

luckily they've said that's something they're actively addressing soon

[mossy coral]

Ikr, I re-roll 100 times until I get Julra for some fast helmets, makes no sense

[sly bobcat]

i usually do DoubleDrops, Exalt/Unique, ItemType

[mossy coral]

The whole "teleport to the observatory" is flawed, its a bad idea in the first place. The whole game is around go next monolith, more so with chains

I do doubledrops, doubleuses, item and just click roll roll roll

[tranquil lintel]

I need one!

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/n49icq0u

If I swap to sabertooth with upheaval, which skill would I swap out to upheaval?

[mossy coral]

Is it possible to open it in LEtools?

[high stratus]

Prophecies kind of remind me of Anarchy Online's mission terminals but without clicksaver

[tranquil lintel]

I just imported my character, it was the quickest way

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/

[mossy coral]

ah ok

You didn't press save though 😛

[tranquil lintel]

oh oops

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QkYbqvRD

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 93

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (22) / Beastmaster (70) / Shaman (14)

General:

▸ Health: 2,775, Regen: 234.81/s
▸ Mana: 241.79, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 33/s
▸ Attributes: 68 Str / 24 Dex / 19 Int / 52 Att / 37 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 121% / 114% / 63% / 90% / 94% / 94%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 66%, Threshold: 689
▸ Dodge Chance: 24% (754)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (3,166)

Used skills:

Summon Wolf / Swipe / Fury Leap / Warcry / Summon Frenzy Totem

[mossy coral]

Thanks, so much easier to navigate

[sly bobcat]

i mean, I did say I wanted to try out lightning wolves at some point

i didn't realize this helmet was so common tbh

[mossy coral]

You can swap out swipe for no active hitting playstyle or warcry/leap, probably warcry since you're bleed

[tranquil lintel]

ive had multiple 3lp of them whilst trying to get a single scurry helm with any lp

[mossy coral]

Join me in lightning wolves

You can go spell wolf or melee

I hope, HOPE they fixed saber Flurry swipes with frenzy totem. I never checked

[near leaf]

I can test if you want

[mossy coral]

Heroes doesn't wear capes as they say

[near leaf]

It is fixed

[mossy coral]

W EHG

[near leaf]

With 100% Bleed Chance
Flurry Swipe no totem does 6 stacks

With totem 12 stacks

[mossy coral]

Amazing

Such a small detail that makes all the difference

[tranquil lintel]

do you know if the bleed chance with an axe node applies to my sabertooth's upheavals?

[patent dock]

It should

[mossy coral]

I'm 99% sure, the others on that node works

[tranquil lintel]

thanks

[ornate scroll]

im working on one now same time as VK lot of fun, i for some reason got about 20 of those helmets somehow and they never stop dropping

[mossy coral]

It might be nice to wield a mace + axe to get the area, you can cover the whole screen with shockwaves if you want

[tranquil lintel]

ok i swapped to sabertooth upheaval, and with just the inital skill points invested it already alot faster

[mossy coral]

Damn lucky, I've only dropped 2. Seems pretty rare for me, although they've been 2lp so that's nice

[ornate scroll]

nice!

its prettty cool specially when you get the fury leap node to make them iump with you i feel like they move so fast it like bugs the game out lol

[mossy coral]

Like the leader of a wolf pack lol

[high stratus]

+4 Strength
God Roll

[sly bobcat]

literally can't get better

[mossy coral]

18 armor helmet

[high stratus]

16% increase to your 18 armor, UA won't know what hit him

[mossy coral]

UA tickles you to death

[high stratus]

I'm not sure you'd feel it through that wolf themed latex mask

[crude breach]

are there any tempest strike builds?

can't make that work

[mossy coral]

Only with disabled tempests

[crude breach]

I thought maybe tempest strike avalanche bonk but...dunno

[high stratus]

that would be a rounding error on the damage of avalanche, which isn't all that great to begin with.

tempest strike is good for gladiator of lagon stacks and not much else unfortunately

[mossy coral]

TS could have 1000% more dmg and still be bad

It's sadly a terrible skill to deal dmg

[sly bobcat]

i'll get back to you on that in a little while

I'm cookin

[high stratus]

Spell Damage with Tempest Strike
Added
Tier 1 20 to 23
Tier 2 24 to 28
Tier 3 29 to 34
Tier 4 35 to 40
Tier 5 41 to 50
Tier 6 65 to 80
Tier 7 81 to 100
Tier 8 160 to 200

As you say you could 10x these numbers and it wouldn't be overpowered.
You could add a unique with +50 to Tempest Strike and it wouldn't be too good.

[sly bobcat]

it'll probably be a meme

[mossy coral]

Can you start now so we can see a good enough TS?

The fact that it needs +100 flat to even hit 20k on a dummy is crazy

[sly bobcat]

i just got my gloves but need to take it to the reroll altar. it nearly minrolled lol

[mossy coral]

If you have 1000 lightning res, a storm totem, then maybe it can deal 200k on a dummy

[sly bobcat]

lesgoo i got a pair earlier today

[mossy coral]

Nice, shame about the 6%

[high stratus]

those nodes which have a 40% chance to cast a tempest when you use the other tempests should be consolidated into one node and work for the totems

there's so much travel to get to them and they're terrible and expensive

[mossy coral]

I love wind tempest totem, it hits as a melee swipe totem but a slow projectile

[near leaf]

Not sure what to do with those though

[sly bobcat]

meme museum

[mossy coral]

+6 to TS and +6 GS, pretty obvious

[sly bobcat]

what final mana cost formula again? is it [(initial+FlatModifiers)*IncCost]/(1+Efficiency)

[near leaf]

+6 Swipe

[mossy coral]

Fate has spoken

[sly bobcat]

i'm wondering if I'll even be able to sustain the mana costs from proccing tornadoes and maelstrom

23.36 regen is probably enough

I was gonna use Apathy then I remembered I'm attacking like 5 times a second

[sly bobcat]

how the hell is this not a react in here

who do we complain to in order to make that a thing

[mossy coral]

Hahaha I was thinking the same

[near leaf]

Finally

[sly bobcat]

ewwwww remove this from my monitor this instant

[near leaf]

??

[sly bobcat]

(i'm just salty that perry's contest used it last season after we did a set contest the season before)

[near leaf]

Leave it to me

[sly bobcat]

i haven't actually paid attention to his discord this season. is there a contest yet

[mossy coral]

Is the res min rolled?

[near leaf]

He is not playing

[sly bobcat]

ah

[near leaf]

Still playing once upon a galaxy
Last I checked

[mossy coral]

I wish I could say my ring said "corrupt to min roll"

It just rolled like that

Yeah he haven't touched LE after the contest ish

[crude breach]

meanwhile I'm trying to cook dual wielding something build

with bleed

[mossy coral]

Add some minion bleed and you don't need to hit 10 times/second

[crude breach]

and bees

[sly bobcat]

jormun set is really cool

I like things that encourage dual wield so we can maximize ungabunga

[mossy coral]

Bees with the relic is a good start

[near leaf]

Ive asked using my priviledges

[sly bobcat]

hell yeah

gimme that big brain emote

[mossy coral]

Wow, I thought queen bee would be tanky, she dies faster than a bee

lvl 64 omen sneezed at her and she popped

[sly bobcat]

this is completely off topic but I made some bread today and just had a fantastic sandwich

[tranquil lintel]

what was on it?

[sly bobcat]

just a normal white bread

[near leaf]

Sourdough ?

[sly bobcat]

grocery store loaf style

nah

[near leaf]

Still noice

[tranquil lintel]

nothing quite like the smell of freshly baked bread

[sly bobcat]

I've never made a sourdough. I usually do a white bread in a pan or a dutch oven crunchy loaf

[crude breach]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A83pX1YN my critters tree draft of a DoT build, just a meme

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (25) / Shaman (8) / Druid (60)

General:

▸ Health: 2,710, Regen: 54.4/s
▸ Mana: 405.01, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 18 Dex / 12 Int / 57 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 24% / 24% / 25% / 103% / 12% / 144%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 76%, Threshold: 813
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (72)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,931)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 34%

Used skills:

Spriggan Form / Summon Thorn Totem / Entangling Roots / Eterra's Blessing / Summon Wolf

[sly bobcat]

i got into making ice cream during the pandemic and then started broadening my cooking skills afterwards

[tranquil lintel]

cant believe you didn't make the fabled pandemic sourdough

[tranquil lintel]

fun fact I make ice cream vans

[mossy coral]

How many minion items do you want?
YES

[sly bobcat]

i'm lactose intolerant and love ice cream. my uncle i was living with had an old barrel ice cream maker. I learned how to make dairy-free ice cream(really just a frozen custard) and used his machine so much that it broke beyond repair lol

[sly bobcat]

agreed

[lavish wolf]

Friends, how do you do defense on a shaman? I'm getting mulched by basicly everything

[mossy coral]

armor, regen, ward, dodge, endurance threshold, leech, not as easy if you're a minion build

[lavish wolf]

Which I am :/

Doing some cold totem/Avalanche elemental cookery

[mossy coral]

ancestral pack can carry you a lot with almost no investment

[lavish wolf]

I kinda discounted that one since all my minions ar3 temporary

[tranquil lintel]

Im also lacto-intolerant, non-dairy ice cream doesnt hit the same but It will do

[lavish wolf]

Still good?

[tranquil lintel]

(too off topic now lol)

[mossy coral]

Yeah, as long as you have minions that hit a lot, normally 5 or 6 thorn totems is well enough

[crude breach]

that thing is like impossible to achieve in term of idols

[mossy coral]

elementals should be fine

[lavish wolf]

The new thorn totem relic is actually kinda cracked with warcry totem. Th ats been carrying me

[mossy coral]

Relic is really good, 6 totems is strong enough

[mossy coral]

oooh yeah, I think they did make them uncommon some patch ago rather than rare

Should at least be able to find one I guess. I should add them to my lootfilter tbh

[crude breach]

finding 7 bees + bleed chance suffix and the corrupt it for 5 bees is smth I can't imagine

[high stratus]

btw with that relic attunement is way better than minion damage for your bees

anywhere you can get it you want attunement

[mossy coral]

I thought they fixed this bug 😑

[crude breach]

squirells where

[mossy coral]

Yeah crazy combo

[crude breach]

not to mention getting 4 of those

and then there is this idol as well

[mossy coral]

Only doggos here! ⚡ 💡 ⚡ ⚡ ⚡

MG build

[crude breach]

I wish there was way to reroll affixes on idols

would make much easier

my name for it is...Aircraft carrier build where you just send bees out to DoT enemy to death

[mossy coral]

I don't see the point why it shouldn't be possible, it's not like you get excited to drop min roll bees and mid roll bleed chance when it actually happens

[crude breach]

similiar I can't imagine rolling frenzy corrupt affix on shattered realms lol https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL08lm3k

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (15) / Druid (57)

General:

▸ Health: 3,842, Regen: 827.28/s
▸ Mana: 293.41, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 85 Str / 41 Dex / 41 Int / 72 Att / 48 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 119% / 119% / 123% / 117% / 90% / 52%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 1,385
▸ Dodge Chance: 13% (424)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 64% (5,053)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 111%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Swipe / Earthquake / Fury Leap / Upheaval

[mossy coral]

I've been running around with 5 wolves on the icon but 3 in reality

[near leaf]

How do you type a vertical bar for the regex ?

|

Got it

[mossy coral]

You're welcome

[near leaf]

Trying to use|learn the regex for the search bar

/spell damage/|/physical damage/&/increased health/

[mossy coral]

Sounds like a nightmare

Gonna test leveling with spell wolves and I guess pack for sustain

Nvm need 4 more levels... This game

[near leaf]

Honeslty if you are not trying to make it too hard its okay

[mossy coral]

Love quest echos, my god it's so slow

[near leaf]

// for case sensitive stuff

& for and

| for or

[mossy coral]

Isn't there a poe tool for that, can't you just apply that for LE

[near leaf]

🤷

Proabably

There is always a poe tools

Because GGG makes everything non ux friendly

[mossy coral]

I don't think LE made it friendly either, it's more of a mess imo

[near leaf]

OO

[mossy coral]

The anti druid belt 👀

[tranquil lintel]

can we do anything with a 2lp world splitter on primalist? because I just got a drop and I'm over sentinel

[sly bobcat]

lesgo

finally found at least the belt

it has a relatively low LPL doesn't it? it's just a high reroll chance so you don't see it often, but it can get 2LP decently easy?

[mossy coral]

Yeah it has very low LPL

[near leaf]

You should be able to turlte/nem it infinitely

It should never get an affix

[raven sluice]

Doesn't it require a certain amount of corruption to not risk bricking? Not very high, but some

[near leaf]

100 I believe

[raven sluice]

Ah, that's very low

Even my disaster can do 200c

[near leaf]

Well empowering from nem isnt impacted by Corruption

[raven sluice]

Ah

Man, I wanna make my bleedbear

[near leaf]

Summon BEar ?

[raven sluice]

I'm tired of tsunami avalanche

[raven sluice]

Yup

Thornburst with thornshield

I guess in spriggan I have an excuse to not use warcry

[karmic bison]

I tried thorn shield recently and its not good enough

Bears thorns are just too weak not enough proc rate to do enough damage that juicing it with spriggan thorn shield with 200% cast speed not enough still sadge.

[near leaf]

😢

[sly bobcat]

F

[near leaf]

Now we can corrupt a body armor

FU

[sly bobcat]

that's how my crafting has gone this season

[mossy coral]

FP

[near leaf]

Is it a sign ?

[sly bobcat]

only if this was too

reminder that it's impossible to farm multi-exalt items now

lesgoo

[mossy coral]

*Exalts may drop as t7 chill chance t7 slow chance 99% of cases

[sly bobcat]

i'm kinda tempted to just slam this into the chaps after adding like mana regen or something

but I know i"ll probably miss the inc health from my planner

@patent dock dodge is good on bugman right?

[patent dock]

Yes, although % dodge is usually what you look for on gear (if any)

regardless, it's a very nice body armor

[sly bobcat]

i'm just finding all sorts of stuff for things I'm not playing

I'm not really sure what relic to use for this wind build. I have julra's relic as a generic placeholder but I don't have any real ward retention

👀

[mossy coral]

Always Gamble Always Worth it

[sly bobcat]

it sure was

[mossy coral]

Omnis can be very strong now, I love it. Didn't even think about that

[sly bobcat]

and I'm gonna use it on tempest strike of all things

[mossy coral]

I thought it also sets implicit to max?

[sly bobcat]

nope

[mossy coral]

It does for weapons

[mossy coral]

Stack that lightning res 😏

[sly bobcat]

now i gotta farm out the rings and figure out what i'm doing for relic

[mossy coral]

Is it the wind tempest?

[radiant matrix]

i'll look for saber. ty

[mossy coral]

Soul of the mountain? Spell crit

[sly bobcat]

yeah basically just a ton of phys dots, each of which is able to stack with others

[mossy coral]

Maybe flex it, figure out every item and fill with relic as last

[patent dock]

50% chance

[mossy coral]

Ah good to know

[wicked jacinth]

does the tsunami node in the maelstrom tree scale with the damage nodes like turbulence that affect maelstrom? Or is it only affected by typhoon

[patent dock]

Yes, it scales with the other damage nodes, too

[wicked jacinth]

okay, thanks!

[wise leaf]

hmmm

[patent dock]

hmmmm

[swift flower]

is it conversible to fire or just bait?

[patent dock]

Bait (it's a bug)

[winged swallow]

bait. not a thing since like the version one beta

[hot dock]

is this used for any top tier builds?

[patent dock]

It has never been a thing

[patent dock]

It is definitely used in a few builds, I have no idea what's really meta or not, but it's good

[sly bobcat]

aight time to put this absolute meme of a build together while I farm for my red rings

I've never been so excited before knowing there's disappointment coming

[sly bobcat]

I actually killed him with this monstrosity

no way in hell am I attempting uber though

[near leaf]

Better than spell dot SW?

[sly bobcat]

Yeah it was like 4 minutes vs 10

Surprisingly tank too with 80% dodge

I think if I get an idol for thorn totem on hit then I can drop storm totem from the bar and have maelstrom there. I could use lagon's slumber and maintain 16+ stacks

[karmic bison]

yo.. i'm actually cooking now to next level. gordon ramsey.

man there's a reason why spriggan form is s tier 😄 this tree more flexable then groot.

i cadence everything so screen is constantly green.

[raven sluice]

My current build is worse than my first lvl 90 I think. I doubt I could kill abberoth

At lvl 94

But otoh it might just be MG last season skewing my memory of how fast you progress

[raven sluice]

Man, I wanna play thornburst summon bear bleed.... not be stuck at school

[naive magnet]

How do you solve mana as primalist? Is attacking with gathering storm all you can do?

[high stratus]

phys spelldot primalist...
that's an almost nsfw level of masochism

[high stratus]

gathering storm, swipe and tempest strike can all restore mana on attack, there's also ways to use transformations and spend rage instead of mana

thorn totems can restore mana when they die, though it's difficult to make use of

[near leaf]

Only if you directly casted them

[high stratus]

does laup count given that you're paying the cost with bleeds instead of mana?

it works in spriggan form just continuously summoning new healing totems you net quite a lot of rage, enough to make Seed of Ekke a good defensive item choice

[near leaf]

Nope

[high stratus]

ah well nvm then I doubt thorn totems are gonna be mana positive any time soon then

directly casting a ring of them is absurdly expensive

[near leaf]

Yeah ring is impossible to get mana positive

I was checking, even with Shaman

You loose 40 mana per cast

[high stratus]

I wonder why they let acolyte get mana back on non-direct cast skeletons, even let them revive multiple times to return mana over and over but not primalist

[tardy frost]

what are you gonna wonder about next, why rogue is allowed to oneshot uber and you aren't?

the classes are treated not even remotely equally by the devs

rogue > sent > aco > primalist > mage when it comes to what your class is allowed to do and the amount of dev attention it gets

if you want to not suck upgrade to a better class

soon you'll also be able to pay for the privilege since the paid class will obviously be at the top of the food chain

will also get all the coolest new toys since it's "experimental" or something

and you'll still be stuck with mechanics from 2017

[high stratus]

Girlboss > reformed meat shield > rebellious goth > homeless veteran > elderly eccentric

EHG keepin' it real

[raven sluice]

Is rogue hot?

I never checked

Mage needs a bit more spice imo. The rest of the classes are cool concepts, even if acolytes posture is a bummer

Mage could use something more to be depressed about than acolyte being his former pupil but evil

[tardy frost]

like hot hot or OP hot?

[raven sluice]

Mage should be a tragic intellectual who miscast a spell that put an entire town in a sinkhole, or got corrupted by an artifact but wrestled back control, or something

[raven sluice]

Hot hot

I know she's OP hot

[tardy frost]

eh not really? she looks like a thug

[raven sluice]

Rip

[tardy frost]

lol no mage is the most iconic class that represents the pride and dignity of old eterra, it's not his fault that his apprentice had no moral backbone

[hearty narwhal]

do anurok frogs benefit form minion melee damage and if they do, is it from both suffixes ?

[raven sluice]

I definitely didn't get the impression that the state of acolyte was his fault. I guess the story of the traveller may be the first great hardship he has to face?

[raven sluice]

I think so, but not 100% sure

[wise leaf]

yes

[hearty narwhal]

ty

[high stratus]

not particularly other than that she's very athletic/fit.

I play this game on the absolute lowest settings so everything looks kind of ridiculous

[raven sluice]

I don't know my settings, but I'd assume they're minimum too

[raven sluice]

Rip. She's got a cool backstory at least

[wind sleet]

Why shaman has literally nothing good for totems after middle of the tree?

[mossy coral]

Shaman gaming

totem duration was okay, once, frenzy on summoning is okay too but nothing too crazy

[wise mica]

so im doing the maxroll frog build and it doesnt really focus on getting attunement (frog crit chance) but it does focus on dex (frog crit dmg). I have 29 attunement (29% crit chance).

Should I focus on getting more attunement? crit multi seems wasted if you rarely crit.

[mossy coral]

Taking a shot in the dark here but with I assume you have some % increased minion crit chance somewhere, like idols but warcry gives 200% inc crit so that's 87% crit chance from just that

[wise mica]

dont use warcry but frenzy totem does this

[mossy coral]

Yeah that ain't bad

[wise mica]

can this roll with LP? Ive never ever seen it with LP.

[mossy coral]

Yes, pretty common too

Its a shame it got botched though

[wise mica]

botched how?

[mossy coral]

The +levels got removed

[wise mica]

ahh i thought it had that

[mossy coral]

+1 would be fine, it's already time consuming to farm for 1

[proud grotto]

Unless one corrupts it and gets lucky with getting the corrupt affix that grants +1 to all skills & extra mana depending on the tier of the affix.

Context: the tier only affects the amount of mana while the +1 to all skills remains at 1.

[tardy frost]

don't worry it has nothing good for anything else beyond the first half of the tree either

[tardy frost]

btw I wasn't following, can that affix roll together with corrupting the base to the +1 corrupted base too?

[raven sluice]

Corrupted items at least can have both +1 all skills base and +1 all skills mod. But I don't know if it's drop only or rare only or available on everything

I found a +2 all skills ammy in campaign

Or quest echoes, idr

But if you can get that, then you want that on omnis/nihilis imo xD

So you get +4

[near leaf]

Got a +1+1 corrupted ammy in the campaign too

[mossy coral]

I swear this game just wants you to slap on a unique

[high stratus]

or abuse set reforged stuff early on

[mossy coral]

I don't understand why everything is so level locked, nothing comes online until 80+

[high stratus]

slapping double halvar affixes on as soon as possible for a neat +40 flat at lvl 5

[mossy coral]

That base isn't even good, it gives ward decay threshold

[lofty rover]

You cannot get plus 4 into amulet only plus 3 via corruption of said amulet,and corrupted items cant be used for slamming

[near leaf]

Crafting exalted to wear is quite painful

[raven sluice]

But you can corrupt unique amulets

[lofty rover]

Yeah thats why I said plus 3 amulet max

[raven sluice]

But there are unique amulets with +2

[lofty rover]

Maybe something I dont understand

Nihilis plus 2 you corrupt it becomes plus 3

[near leaf]

You cant get the corrupted base with a unique

[raven sluice]

Ah

[near leaf]

Thats non unique only

[lofty rover]

Yeah and its great for campaign

Monos early

[winged swallow]

Hit a new record before crashing. 69k stacks of bleed and 170k stacks of armor shred. Now that I have sources above 100%

my build just can't do pinnacle of chaos (Omen champion echo). They just spawn to many champions and my build likes champions a little to much

Since my build can't do Pinnacle of chaos. What does it even drop? Just more corrupted gear?

[patent dock]

It drops the loot of all the champs and a bunch of omen window loot, plus has the greater window ball thing. Nothing exclusive.

[winged swallow]

ah ok. I'll just not do it then

[tired inlet]

69k .

wot

[winged swallow]

Don't question it. Just accept the power of rocks

[tired inlet]

some kind of infinite loop eq ava steam engine?

[winged swallow]

Gathering Storm actually

[sly bobcat]

It's genuinely very fun. Your character model gets replaced by just various versions of tornado effects

The damage just sucks because even though you have dozens of spells going at once they all scale horribly

[high stratus]

I'm sure our glorious leaders are on the case and soon the checks notes Tempest Strike based triggered spell dots build will be good in 1.5

[near leaf]

Someone at EHG thought this would be a good node

[wind sleet]

hmmmm 0 damage each second. the question is pick or not to pick 🤔

[sly bobcat]

The best part is I tried the node that scales damage with mana cost. My tempest strike only cost 5 mana and it was unsustainable

Because you attack insanely fast with this build. Even the occasional refund+regen wasn't enough

[winged swallow]

yup it's not

[tired inlet]

anyone got a video of this madness

[winged swallow]

tried that once before. You will go oom in just a few seconds due to how fast you attack

[sly bobcat]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjqLXWR1

Here's the build if anyone else has ideas on where to get more damage out of it

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (10) / Shaman (68) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,510, Regen: 318.86/s
▸ Mana: 1,068.51, Regen: 21.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 14%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 15 Dex / 7 Int / 127 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 64% / 105% / 88% / 121% / 64% / 71% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 72%, Threshold: 1,012
▸ Dodge Chance: 39% (1369)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (998)

Used skills:

Tempest Strike / Warcry / Maelstrom / Tornado / Summon Spriggan

[sly bobcat]

I wish there was a way to set custom modifiers for when buffs aren't supported by LETools

Like Maelstrom's Dodge or phys multi

[crude breach]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqwpeyZ5 a very rough draft, any thoughts?

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (61) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,156, Regen: 95.04/s
▸ Mana: 290.51, Regen: 14.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 46%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 12 Dex / 12 Int / 68 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 127% / 53% / 53% / 16% / 16% / 28% / 28%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 495
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (88)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (827)

Used skills:

Tornado / Summon Spriggan / Summon Storm Crows / Gathering Storm / Tempest Strike

[near leaf]

So I was comparing for "fun" Tempest Strike and Umbral Blades Recalled
Mana Cost
TS > 18
UB > 12

More Dmg in the tree
TS > 24x24x12xthe mana cost one lets say 15% to be generous = 1.98
UB > 120x90x90x120 = 17.47
UB recall also has uncapped Crit Multi per blade recalled

All the more Dmg for TS are equivalent to 1 node in UB

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[sly bobcat]

yeah

TS has a lot of identity problems just like shaman. Fitting I guess

[near leaf]

Its not even identity , its plain numbers

Like open an excel spreadsheet and compare numbers

[sly bobcat]

it wants to be the turbo speed skill, but also a melee/spell hybrid skill, and hit/dot skill

all of that leads to not having enough space for multipliers on the tree

[near leaf]

Ive only counted for the generic More Dmg

[sly bobcat]

they could just crank up the current multipliers

[near leaf]

I agree with you with the identity issues

And you "pay" for it by being forced to spend 1563skills points to have something usable

[sly bobcat]

yup

[near leaf]

But just the numbers themselves are so abysmal

Like why ?

Why this one is 8% per pts

And this one 30% ?

I mean gives me 8% Less MElee Dmg and 30% More Spell Dmg

[azure grotto]

Is fire earthquake a viable build ?

Looking to pick up this class for the first time

[near leaf]

3% Really ???

[sly bobcat]

that one is actually insulting tbh

it's so low

[proud grotto]

I am sure tempest strike may get a touch up in the future at some point.

[near leaf]

Like this one is decent for Wind Tempest, but the others cant just cry

[crude breach]

I wonder about fire tornado ignite stacking...

with wisps

[near leaf]

When they take another pass on shaman, sure

But it was reworked once already

[crude breach]

and tempest totems

[near leaf]

Recently

Like 1.1

[winged swallow]

old tempest strike was cooler. I liked the floating rock turrets

[sly bobcat]

i want them to keep the theme. Thematically it's an incredibly cool skill

[cinder moat]

Don’t forget that 1 of 3 is a DoT and is also non-elemental so good luck scaling them all

[near leaf]

I am just complaining about numbers here

[fair pulsar]

Damn and did it become top meta back then like all other masteries ehg touched recently?

[proud grotto]

Considering there is room for at least one new kind of skill when looking at passives in the shaman tree.
Who is to say tempest strike gets moved there somehow? But I wouldn't know.

[near leaf]

Thats I dont mind, because anyway youll probably always end up scaling one

[cinder moat]

The CtC on tempest on the top left all being 4 pointers just to cap at 40% is hilarious

[near leaf]

It was trash, and stayed trash but shiny
Shiny thrash

[winged swallow]

TS needs it's skill tree completely overhauled where you can remove certain strikes from the attack pool altogether. It's main problem currently is that it's numbers are WAY to low for a skill that hits for the type of damage you are scaling 1/3rd of the time

[near leaf]

Golden poop

[sly bobcat]

it had its moment in the sun last season with reflect and that's mostly because it has really good attunement options + spriggan form. Druid could technically do it almost as well

[fair pulsar]

Lmaooo

[crude breach]

and don't forget the mana cost lol

[cinder moat]

%ele already comes in lower quants and scaling only 1 means scaling only 1 of 3 hits which is laughable

[fair pulsar]

That's just sad

Feels like primalist is just... Beastmaster

[crude breach]

druid?

[cinder moat]

If you stack phys, 2 of 3 hits just do no damage

[near leaf]

There are some fun druids

[sly bobcat]

yeah druid is alright

[near leaf]

Shaman has totems

[sly bobcat]

I got a sick bugman chest the other night

[tired inlet]

be careful what u ask for or you get the lich treatment and have your defences obliterated

[sly bobcat]

how is crit bugman

[near leaf]

To be in the "top builds"

[crude breach]

so any1 tried fire tornado spamming? too bad I can't turn avalanche into fire

[cinder moat]

What defenses?

[near leaf]

Joke is on you
Shaman already has no defense

[fair pulsar]

LOL

[winged swallow]

gotta attack two times with stuff you aren't scaling before you can get to the one you do scale. That feels like GARBAGE. TS's theme and concept are cool. But it needs a WHOLE new skill tree. It is extremely point starved where you need to use between 15-20 points on QoL alone to make the skill feel like nothing garbage just to use and now you have no points left over to scale the skill

[tired inlet]

ok u get a bunch of more dmg taken nodes instead

[near leaf]

A bit of res, some regen

[cinder moat]

Sure do love having my resists tied to whether I have a totem alive

[sly bobcat]

hey i've been sustaining 80% dodge on my shaman

that's not nothin

[near leaf]

Oh there is a 1% Less Dmg taken per passive pts

[fair pulsar]

And those totems gets melted by uberroth initial slam anyways

[cinder moat]

Pretty sure the resists don’t persist for X seconds either right? So totem dies and you just take double damage now

[winged swallow]

just put storm totem on "Auto cast" it's what I do to keep the shaman mastery bonus active at all times while not needing to manually think about it

[sly bobcat]

correct, the resist goes away if the totem goes away

i refuse to numlock skills to automate them

[cinder moat]

It should be changed to persist for like 4 seconds. (It really should be scrapped for something better overall)

[crude breach]

it's for more fire res so you can spread ignite 😛

[sly bobcat]

it's not intended gameplay and they've said in the past that they're going to try designing skills around the fact that it exists by making it either impossible or unfavorable to do

[winged swallow]

For each point of attunement gain 0.2% all resist

[cinder moat]

CtC on tempest should be 1pt or 25% per point. Lagon should be changed to be on tempest. It being a 0 cast 60IAS skill to generate 100 spell damage is dumb and causes other problems to design around. SS CtC needs a substantial boost as does the endurance based healing.

[crude breach]

I wish there was way to turn gathering storm to fire

[winged swallow]

Primalist hates fire. Destroyed his entire clan in lore

[crude breach]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QqwpeyZ5 but I have a dream of spamming fire tornado with wisps

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (61) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,156, Regen: 95.04/s
▸ Mana: 290.51, Regen: 14.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 46%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 12 Dex / 12 Int / 68 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 127% / 53% / 53% / 16% / 16% / 28% / 28%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 495
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (88)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (827)

Used skills:

Tornado / Summon Spriggan / Summon Storm Crows / Gathering Storm / Tempest Strike

[sly bobcat]

yeah primalist fire stuff I wish was entirely relegated to item conversions

take the points off tornado and EQ, give the power budget back elsewhere in the trees

lord knows Tornado could use it

[winged swallow]

tornado is just like TS. The skill itself just god damn sucks. And is used to do something else

[sly bobcat]

ironically most of the damage in my build comes from tornado

because you get so many of them going at once

I can appreciate volume-of-fire being your scaling vector, but the thing itself does have to actually deal damage for that to matter

[winged swallow]

be it "Tornado now buffs me", "Tornado now makes pulse mines that I scale", or the dreaded "Storm boltnado"

but never tornado itself....sad stuff

[mossy coral]

I can understand some uniques be 70+ but exalts? Increased level to craft from T3 to T4 when T1-4 sucks?
If you find a okay item at lvl 70 and want to craft on it you can have it maxed out at level 84, really painful

[winged swallow]

has anyone ever even made a Tornado pulse mine build?

[near leaf]

A what ?

[sly bobcat]

the orbs themselves do basically no damage. they're mostly used to apply extra ailments iirc

i have them spec'd on my build because I had an extra point I didn't know what to do with

[tired inlet]

@winged swallow video of server slapper pls

[winged swallow]

even the skill trees own synergies are relegated to "I don't do damg..." like why

[winged swallow]

I do not have recording software and also do not know how to use it

[tired inlet]

cmon bruh, nvidia alt+f10

[winged swallow]

I also don't want video evidence of my build. I don't want like the last skill that allows melee primalist to work be completely gutted

[tardy frost]

this is what gets me the most about this game, like seriously butthurt inducing, this is SO FU CK ING SIMPLE to just do what you did and add up the more multipliers and behold how bad the balance is, like it would take an intern less than an hour to go over every skill in the game and find this out, yet the developers adamantly refuse to fix it

[winged swallow]

EHG like completely just hates primalist. If they touch GS they won't just "fix the loop" they will gut it's damg 3 different ways while also nerfing shaman's passive tree and then finally fixing the loop

And I don't want the ENTIRE primalist community to hate me for that happening

it's a fun skill and it doesn't need to change

[lofty rover]

The answer is always get is that well they need to rework the skills and even though that is true, it doesn't take any effort to make a 3% damage node into a 30% if you know the skill does no damage ,you buff and if thats not enough you buff again,by adjusting the more multipliers you already can fix some viability right there

[tired inlet]

SHOW ME THE LOOP

[mossy coral]

The game really needs to have skills numbers bumped up, before when we only had T4 Julra it was okay and every build could get to 300 ish corruption if you fought monsters long enough but that isn't okay anymore

[winged swallow]

Yup the 300c standard has been bumped up to 800c+. Tons of skills just can not get there

[mossy coral]

Why not bump them up, it's really really OP, tone it down. No one plays tempest strike spells, how can they expect data when no one plays it (if that's what they need)

[sly bobcat]

they're relying on the dumbasses like me to get around to trying it

this build would actually be such cancer to build from scratch as a starter because it deals no damage. I was only able to farm the gear on a fully leveled aftershock BM

[lofty rover]

Idk why other classes cant get the rogue treatment from time to time rogue has been one shooting bosses since i started in 1.0, Sentinel did it once with time rot immediately gone ,but falconer was one shooting for 4 patches already 😅

[patent dock]

Ironically old TS was more viable as a damage source

[mossy coral]

The strenghts of this game is to experiment, do some whacky build and do x, y, z. They can't do that anymore, I feel like half of the skills might almost not even exist

[winged swallow]

EHG absolutely love sentinel and rogue and the bias is annoying as hell actually. Primalists find one broken interaction it will be nerfed and gutted in like 7 different ways next hotifx. VK is immortal with low gear investment and rogue one shots Uber abby for free? Untouched for years

[mossy coral]

Play offline, remove mana restrictions, oh look at that you can play upheaval with all the crazy fun nodes and it's doing well who would've thought it can be a great skill!

[near leaf]

I know

[lofty rover]

After massive passive tree yes before no vk wasn't that op

[near leaf]

Its crazy how just an calculator would solve so much problem

[crude breach]

poor fotge knight is still gutted

[lofty rover]

At least i think vk passive tree for me is the goat holy moly what a piece of art damm shame we haven't gotten extra passives points since its so good

[crude breach]

for me acolyte and primalist have biggest build diversity..

[mossy coral]

VK is crazy good, the passives, the skills, the mana, the interactions everything

[winged swallow]

Primalists "mana costs" on some of it's skills make be question what reality EHG are living in. Primalist has no "natural" mana regain and has some light mana regen nodes. Like how in the HELL do you use some of these skills outside of end game gear....

[candid topaz]

You don't. They hate this class and want us to stop playing it.

[sly bobcat]

i actually think it's good when you end up wanting at least some stuff from the other trees. I just don't like when that stuff ends up being mandatory pickups like Sigils in sentinel or the BM damage-from-nearby node

[crude breach]

https://imgflip.com/i/aouxn3

[candid topaz]

It's weird how primalist and acolyte play a completely different game than Rouge/sentinel

[lofty rover]

Yeah but symbols is mandatory almost every time that's why I want more passive points idk 1 all stat unless you using red rings is not meaningful enough

[crude breach]

you can compensate a bit by going foor of mountain and cut all mana costs by 6 by facetanking xD

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's really stupid, they probably at one point wanted to have the combat slower. The game is about rushing, go next mono, rush rush rush

[crude breach]

on the other hand take spriggan and they can basicaly generate infinite rage

[candid topaz]

That's why people play arpgs. I feel like they are losing what made them great

[mossy coral]

Heck, there's still people putting on Foot of the mountain to solve their mana and just stand still in every single combat encounter, baffles me

[winged swallow]

Primalist has a insane amount of skills that are like this. "This skill gets vastly better when you get some attack speed or cast speed behind it but feels like complete ass until you do." but then the mana cost completely SCREWS you

[crude breach]

grim dawn is IMO great balance

[lofty rover]

If we cant leech mana ,at least there should be a way to increase base mana regen to make mana regen more impactful

[sly bobcat]

it'll never happen. that exact thing has been suggested many times and they've always shot it down. they want mana to be a limiter and for people to have to solve the problem

it's why the flat gain on attack from rogue or sentinel is so low too

[mossy coral]

If you're not a rogue/necromancer I think the game is fine with its phasing for the most part, if you think of the running and killing monster part not corruption.

[lofty rover]

Its insane that even if i get apathy conversion and corruption mana regen I still cant sustain judgement aura consumption cause 8 mana flat regen is so bad 🤣

[sly bobcat]

are you not stacking attunement for apathy?

[lofty rover]

Yeah let's say 200 attun thats 400% increase mana regen that's what 40 mana regen thats nothing

Then you have the 7% mana regen per 100 mana , 4k mana 280% mana regen so like idk 62 per sec like again its lower your dps while not fixing the mana problem really

[candid topaz]

This is true! Grim dawn is epic like that

[mossy coral]

You're also fixing your mana problem, not your DPS, it will lack behind

[lofty rover]

Thats the thing its doesn't fix it

Scales too bad this stat

[crude breach]

200% atun is 800% dmg increase to some skillz 😛

[lofty rover]

At least crit you can get flat and the increase is way better afterwards anyway they should one day maybe do something about this

[mossy coral]

It could fix it, depends on the skill but I agree

[near leaf]

I might be rolling a frostbite Spellblade

[sly bobcat]

ooo

[mossy coral]

Int stacking TS lesssgooo

[tardy frost]

we all know, and I'm sure a lot of people in EHG also know, so we can make our own conclusions about the reasons for this continued issue

but from my professional experience, EHG is 10+ times smaller than the average company where shit like this would be explainable

1-10k employee orgs? Very typical of those

[mossy coral]

Everything will be fixed with skill sigils, trust

Imagine they release it and it's 95% bugged or doesn't do anything at all 😬

[wicked jacinth]

Does anyone have any tips to get high armor shred incorporated into a build that doesn't proc "on hit" affects much? I'm playing a maelstrom stacking shaman

[mossy coral]

Gathering storm being physical would help

[near leaf]

Tsunami or Regular Maelstrom ?

[mossy coral]

Otherwise there's thorn totems, that's very common too

They can apply about 50~

[patent dock]

And the rogue sigils will give 100% more multis while primalist will be 5% more with 50% more mana cost

[mossy coral]

I can already see the vision

[wicked jacinth]

tsunami

[tardy frost]

don't worry it's a pervasive issue, skill mana cost is usually not connected in any real way to the skills' actual performance or potential

[mossy coral]

Maelstrom 3% increased area per more mana spent. 6 added mana cost. LOGIN

[wicked jacinth]

i'm trying to stack cast speed and spell damage for massive tsunami damage procs for myself and my scorpion

[tardy frost]

patch 1.6 or whatever: you can now replace your umbral blades with earthquakes

meanwhile primalist: you can add disintegrate to tempest strike

[high stratus]

does that work for totems?

[mossy coral]

Nah we will get an extra proc on the tripple EQ slam which will cost 40 mana and reduced area

[near leaf]

42fp to add an affix and bring it to t5

like bro

....

https://tenor.com/view/really-are-you-kidding-me-got-to-be-kidding-youre-kidding-me-seriously-gif-6521278384595665157

[tardy frost]

summon twisters now summons an additional twister, 10% of the time

[mossy coral]

42 is too low, you need 61 from nemesis to be able to craft!!

[tardy frost]

they should just double FP on all drops across the board at this point

[mossy coral]

Twisters were removed 🙁

[tardy frost]

wait what

lol I wouldn't have noticed either way

[near leaf]

Now you have 10% Chance to proc tornado

[tardy frost]

and I have 3 primalist characters this season

[mossy coral]

Replaced by 10% chance to cast a tornado

[tardy frost]

lol

[sly bobcat]

I would hope it does considering it leads directly into the totem node

But who knows

[high stratus]

does that 40% chance to trigger a wind tempest on cold or lightning attack work with totems? I thought it was worded so it only works when you do the melee attack

[mossy coral]

T E N

Why low numbers man, primalist haters

[near leaf]

Totem doesnt attack

It directly cast the spell

[tardy frost]

it does but it doesn't help because the totems are more effective if you turn off all the tempest and replace them with default ice shards

this is like giga troll

[patent dock]

At least it only costs 0 FP to corrupt

[near leaf]

Let me slam first

[tardy frost]

0,0000001% chance you get a bis item, 75% chance nothing happens, 25% bricked

[mossy coral]

Time to use foot of the mountain, maybe it'll keep the dmg mods?

[sly bobcat]

Default ice shards that deal half damage and only have 100% ade

[tardy frost]

tells you everything you need to know about the tempests

also the totems self sustain gladiator stacks and even that isnt helping

[mossy coral]

Doesn't even pierce smh

There's a small white mob in the way, soaks up all the damage and the champion is unharmed

[near leaf]

We hit the 1/3

[sly bobcat]

Also I had to ask dammitt what the actual spell is that they cast. It's not linked to anything

[patent dock]

I'll take those odds

[mossy coral]

If there's a invincible omen in the way, soaks up all the damage and the totems does 0dmg

[tardy frost]

"it's just something that is true about the card"

[high stratus]

frigid tempest has a base cast speed of 2.2/s, the totem doesn't seem to do it that fast tho

[near leaf]

LOL

[mossy coral]

Yay no brick

[patent dock]

lol

[mossy coral]

lmaooooooo

[tardy frost]

I loved this the most in hotfix patch notes, like one or two select skills will now deprioritize invulnerable enemies.. what about the other 98% of them dog?

[mossy coral]

Nice UI buddy

[mellow kestrel]

Hi

[mossy coral]

I honestly already forgot what the change was, it was that unimpactful

[sly bobcat]

Hello

[tardy frost]

it was to some rogue skill of course

[mossy coral]

Oh, I read rogue so maybe that's why

[mellow kestrel]

Does it work?

[mossy coral]

HELLO

[sly bobcat]

I know Mike plays primalist. Maybe he just likes having his face on the character and doesn't mind it being kinda bad

At least bear quake is good

[mossy coral]

Fast = Not good

[mellow kestrel]

I just hope we get rework for 1.5

[mossy coral]

Yeah let me cast some tempests damnit

Add some twisters

[sly bobcat]

Shaman is getting a bunch of changes soonTM

[mossy coral]

Get me some Ice thorns

[sly bobcat]

If shaman doesn't get updates to take on Morditas then that's the biggest flavor fail they've ever had

[mossy coral]

Anyway to see old ice thorns skill tree btw?

[mellow kestrel]

RIGHT

My old old shaman on legacy still has the skill specialized last I checked 😆

I was like WOAHH that’s not intended

[mossy coral]

Omens won't stand a chance.

[wicked jacinth]

are shockwave and other subspells from upheaval converted to lightning with the new natural wrath unique idol?

[sly bobcat]

If you've got a build on LEtools from further back saved you can look at the old trees. You might be able to click the patch and change which one it shows

[high stratus]

I've had a vision of the future

Fixed an issue where Ballista only targeted enemies 3 screens away instead of the intended 5.

[mossy coral]

It should yes

[near leaf]

Yes

Catzy

[tardy frost]

nah they will just add a skill sigil to turn it into a ballista totem you always carry on your back that shoots 500% faster on everything in range so you just walk around collecting loot

[near leaf]

Do you know if prophecies are affected by area lvl ?

[tardy frost]

they should be, at least we used to be butthurt about it back in 1.0

dungeon prophecies auto completing in low tiers etc

campaign prophecies being a thing at all etc

[sly bobcat]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/boYxbYwB

Found an old beta planner. You can see ice thorns in skills there

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Beta / 0.9.2f

Class:

Primalist (23) / Beastmaster (8) / Shaman (47) / Druid (35)

General:

▸ Health: 1,080, Regen: 23/s
▸ Mana: 269, Regen: 10/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 11 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 46 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 25% / 124% / 49% / 52% / 30% / 48% / 41%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 239
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (14)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (530)
▸ Block Chance: 19%, Mitigation: 17% (170)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 21%

Used skills:

Summon Storm Crows / Avalanche / Maelstrom / Summon Storm Totem / Warcry

This build has a guide:

Frost Shaman Massive AOE And Crowd Control Build Guide by MinMaxRPG

[mellow kestrel]

Do u guys ever use scale charm in dungeon

[near leaf]

No, that would mean running the dungeon

[mossy coral]

I'm trying this and it's not going so well

[tardy frost]

the what charm?

[mellow kestrel]

Ya but what if you did

[mossy coral]

Ok I can see it

[near leaf]

I never run the dungeon

[tardy frost]

I would uninstall

[near leaf]

only the boos

[mellow kestrel]

😆 😆

[tardy frost]

dishonorable seppuku

[mellow kestrel]

Well I have, and it’s FUN

😤

[mossy coral]

No idea, personally I didn't find any difference between t2 Julra and T4 or 300 corruption.

[mossy coral]

"scale charm"?

The charm that skips to the boss?

[mellow kestrel]

Ummm nooooo

The fun charm

[sly bobcat]

I never really looked at the ice thorns tree before. It only has a handful of multipliers on it, but at least they're big

IT HAS MORE THAN CURRENT TEMPEST STRIKE

[mossy coral]

YOOO WE NEED THIS BACK

[sly bobcat]

I'm mad

[mellow kestrel]

I remember using the “cold dmg per totem” idols and ice thorns was slappping

Long time ago

[mossy coral]

It's 5 thorns per cast

[sly bobcat]

Yeah and it can shotgun too iirc

[mossy coral]

Yeah and you can add more thorns

[sly bobcat]

Why did they remove it again

Like what was the rationale

[crude breach]

don't know

or also or can also change earthquake to fire and try mellee shaman

[near leaf]

Skill was too fun

[mellow kestrel]

Use the mana drain fire melee belt lol, and find a way to get infinite mana

Copium

[mossy coral]

I would love to play ice thorns, actually not a bad skill

[mellow kestrel]

I think that amulet has issues sadly

[sly bobcat]

Oh it can't shotgun

In the tooltip it says "Multiple thorns cannot hit the same enemy"

This wouldn't work at all in the current game. With 100% ADE and no shotgunning it's dead

[crude breach]

what issues

[mellow kestrel]

The ignites not maintaining dmg or something, and the whips not casting

Unless they fixed

[mossy coral]

Regardless it hits more than TS and it's on every cast

[crude breach]

hm maybe reapeating fire earthquake with event horizon lol?

[mellow kestrel]

It does say skill lol

[sly bobcat]

Its gonna take a year to actually cast

[mellow kestrel]

Technically EQ should work

[mossy coral]

Also I think ice thorns can hit the target again if it's homing and lasts longer

[crude breach]

hm, wisps repeating earthquake 3 times...

[mossy coral]

Perfect time to let the mana regen do its job

[crude breach]

I think this might be fun way to go

[near leaf]

Really ?

[crude breach]

don't know

[mellow kestrel]

Ya u gotta rest it

[crude breach]

just theorycrafting

[mellow kestrel]

Test

[mossy coral]

Primalist
Upheaval: Fixed an issue where it would behave strangely if used at cliff edges.
Lol it's literally that the skill just followed the cliffs going down instead of just stop the animation, it was fine

[high stratus]

what a weird subskill for ice thorns

[mossy coral]

Has no more multipliers btw

[high stratus]

seems like a ground spelldot but it hits

[tardy frost]

these were fixed now it's just bad

[high stratus]

ngl ice thorns tree looks really bad

[mossy coral]

Just the totem nodes and you had like 180% more dmg, more than tempest strike lol

Thunder tempest is also 100% ADE for example

But yes it was bad which is why they removed the skill, could have just tweaked it a little bit and it could be playable tbh

[high stratus]

the bramble armor bit looks alright

just spam +armor at the cost of slightly delayed damage

[mossy coral]

Do you even know how that amulet works and what it actually does? I don't, just go next primordial

[mossy coral]

That's what it was used for, spriggan form or that thorn shield sceptre for even more free armor

[high stratus]

I did read some commentary from them about why they removed it and apparently they didn't like the playstyle

too high floor & low ceiling and braindead to use IIRC, at least that's the sentiment I got from what I vaguely recall reading

[limber prairie]

Does the Maelstrom passive "Vortex" actually attach a Maelstrom to a totem?

[mossy coral]

yes, it'll probably still visually bug though. Maybe not in offline

[near leaf]

iirc you need to aim a bit

[mossy coral]

You need to aim yeah

[limber prairie]

So with Storm's Aid, totems are actually considered as minions and Maelstrom can be attached to the totem?

[mossy coral]

yeah, you can cast it on a companion too if you'd like. Will only deal extra damage if it's on a totem with that node taken

Totems are minions also

[crude breach]

when you convert earthquake to fire, are also aftershocks fire? do wisps repeat them as well?

[mossy coral]

Yes aftershocks will be fire, no idea about wisps

You can even make the aftershocks spell fire if you want

[crude breach]

I guess they won't repeat idols aftershocks cuz amulet says directly

[mossy coral]

WAIT I don't know that for sure, Idk if lightning is before or after fire in the convertion rule, since the spell aftershock got changed from phys -> lightning

Idols is you specifically attacking close to an enemy yeah

[crude breach]

amulet says directly, so amulet won't repeat fire aftershocks that are cast from idols

[mossy coral]

I don't think items can trigger idols anyway

[near leaf]

Fire should be winning

[mossy coral]

That's actually very smart to put it like that

[near leaf]

I can try

Give me a minute

[mossy coral]

Vlad the tester ❤️

[tardy frost]

yea I actually tested it last week, it works more or less as intended now except it was useless in my build cause it was a fireball build and nothing good in fireball works with indirect casts

[near leaf]

So thats idol + fire conversion

[mossy coral]

I don't really see the point of that amulet anyway, it's not like wisps are created around you or anything by default. Maybe for omen windows but that's still not that useful cause it's not any specially hard content

[near leaf]

Idol + Fire + Spell Lightning conversion

[mossy coral]

Visually okay, in practice then?

[near leaf]

Fire all the way

[mossy coral]

Tried with +increased lightning/phys?

[crude breach]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWX9gEyZ ok so roast this I will maybe try it out when I finish swarmblade

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (57) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 3,242, Regen: 310.98/s
▸ Mana: 324.51, Regen: 15.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 54%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 60 Str / 16 Dex / 16 Int / 61 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 145% / 47% / 47% / 53% / 34% / 50% / 50%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 764
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (76)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,396)

Used skills:

Earthquake / Swipe / Fury Leap / Summon Storm Crows / Summon Spriggan

[mossy coral]

Because Bhuldar says Fire but aftershocks remained phys

[near leaf]

Ah no

[near leaf]

Probably old text

[tardy frost]

they are created around the target(s) which is better than around you

[mossy coral]

Just to be 100000% sure, if you can

[mossy coral]

Yeah but what I'm saying is you need to kill a trash mob for it to trigger, they're not the problem the rares/champions are but I can see it practical in practice though

Perfect example is a boss, they usually don't have adds

[tardy frost]

you dont need to kill anything to spawn wisps it even spawns them against single target where no ignite spread actually occurs

[mossy coral]

Oh, that changes things then

[azure grotto]

Does primalist have some nice fire skills to use ? Is melee fire earthquake viable with that 2H axe that converts it to fire ?

I want a fire earthquake so bad

[tardy frost]

raptor fire breath

Trust Me Bro

[mossy coral]

You can absolutely play fire EQ with the 2h mace, if you want aftershocks to be fire as well with the idols you need to take the fire node anyways but the trigger on evade/leap is strong.
Fire tornado can maybe also work, probably more of an ignite build than anything else.

[patent dock]

Fire has always overridden lightning

For EQ

So you can make it a fire spell by taking both

[mossy coral]

Yes I know it has, the aftershocks were a problem for Bhuldar so there could be a chance they could also be wonky with lightning convertion

[patent dock]

Well yeah, but that's just bug things

granted they may take a few years to fix it lol

[mossy coral]

Primalist gaming

I want to play lightning EQ with apathy and ground slam at some point, 33 mana would still be too high, and also maybe even too point hungry.
One day

[high stratus]

what? Why does the void conversion on smite overwrite the lightning one then? Or am I missing something about this convo?

[mossy coral]

I would maybe consider using foot of the mountain if the stacks didn't take 100 seconds to kick in, first stack should be instant

[near leaf]

Probably because it was set that way

[mossy coral]

Voidknight reasons?

[high stratus]

primalist has very little support for fire, there are a few items which convert skills to fire but almost nothing in the passive trees and base skill trees

[near leaf]

In EQ nothing is said

[mossy coral]

Btw I gotta ask, am I the only one playing holding down warcry + frenzy totem and both mouse buttons when attacking at all times? Will also add in Leap, so at least 4 buttons

[patent dock]

There is no standard order, it is a custom implementation for every skill

The only guide I would use is that item conversions almost always override skill tree conversions

[mossy coral]

Items has always priority over skill tree conversions, that's at least what mike has said

[patent dock]

Right (well almost always)

[mossy coral]

Primalist almost doesn't have any bugs either

[near leaf]

Thats why the fire conversion take over the lightning conversion from the idol

[mossy coral]

Speaking of the new idol, is it even worth it using that combo instead of just TS and EQ manually?

[azure grotto]

Is lighting EQ a thing ? I'm fine with lightning too

[versed gate]

I think so

it shows it

[high stratus]

yes there's a conversion on the skill tree that makes EQ into a lightning spell instead of a phys melee attack but there's also an idol you can use which converts it into lightning without making it a spell

[mossy coral]

Lightning melee BM works, it being melee will most likely have more dmg from aspects

[azure grotto]

So this turns it into lightning and it's still melee ?

NOW WE TALKIN' !

Thank god i picked up that idol. Almost left it on the ground.

[azure grotto]

Why BM ?

And not shaman ?

[mossy coral]

Good defenses and aspect of the shark for more attack speed and damage

[azure grotto]

So, the ambush BM node ?

Oh, there are other nodes related to shark

[mossy coral]

yeah

Swipe is a good boost, will deal damage too, can also be lightning

It can also give 9 mana per hit

[azure grotto]

Ambush, rending maw, circle of life, ocean maw, feeding frenzy.

Wich ones are worth taking ?

[azure grotto]

So, something like lightning EQ+swipe, warcry, maelstrom, leap ?

Could work as a build ? Maybe werebear form ? And is speccing gathering storm needed for lightning tornado ?

[patent dock]

Ye, basically since order is set by the skill itself and fire was previously the only item conversion, fire wins and they just didn't modify order

[wicked jacinth]

anyone have any tips on making a viable nature's wrath build for earthquake/upheaval?

[crude breach]

ranged gathering storm?...

[tranquil lintel]

I am trying something right now with world splitter + nature's wrath

[high stratus]

what's nature's wrath?

[tranquil lintel]

natural wrath*

the idol

[high stratus]

ah

[wicked jacinth]

yea my bad natural wrath

[tranquil lintel]

if you stack less frequency of expanding storm stacks with wings of discord and increased prefix effect, you stop being able to maintain storm stacks

not sure where the cutoff is but if you go too high the storm stacks only go to 2 for a split second then disapear

[patent dock]

That is quite interesting lol

[glass condor]

has anyone built anything with the new fury leap totem unique?

im tryna cook something rn

[high stratus]

less frequency? the ones that make storm stacks expire slower?

[tranquil lintel]

yep

if i equip wings of discord, two 30% roll idols with over 50% increased prefix effect

storm stacks stop working

[high stratus]

strange

[patent dock]

Yeah, I've done vinebear, Vlad did totem shatter, I think I saw storm totem too, not sure about others

[high stratus]

you can get 5 relics with that affix on one of the layouts

4 on the pyramid layout

[glass condor]

if u got links to any of those planners i'd like to see to get some ideas

[tranquil lintel]

I tried using laup's to centre my aftershocks with diving totem, it worked quite well but I dont think the damage was good enough to fully build around it

[patent dock]

This is my character: https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/FatherToast/character/Thorn_Totem_Toast
@pvt.vlad#0 ping

[tranquil lintel]

ill see how many it takes before it breaks

[glass condor]

ty

[near leaf]

With the idol you can play Swipe and EQ melee

[near leaf]

#0?

[tranquil lintel]

I need help seeing if there's anything to this idea

wait ill make it in letools instead

[mossy coral]

Yeah ofc but why play the GS/Upheaval when you can do it normally with either swipe or TS is my question

[candid topaz]

why cant I use a bow but I can use quiver

[near leaf]

Bows are rogue specific

Quivers arent

[candid topaz]

yes but like

why not make quivers also rogue specific

like I understand the tags

[tranquil lintel]

you can bypas the cooldown nodes on the EQ tree if you do it through upheaval

[near leaf]

Fun fact
No weapon + quiver works as unarmed

[candid topaz]

but why are we just not letting prima have this or changing quivers

[surreal rock]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/The_Troll/character/Trollbee My dream has come true... rather imperfectly, but hey, 43 bees per 10 seconds is a good enough point to call it a day.

[near leaf]

How many bees in total ?

[mossy coral]

Didn't even cross my mind, that makes sense. Maybe actually useful then, dunno if 25(19)+16+16 is worth it than 50(38)+16+16.
Upheaval with 30 stacks just sounds so mega clunky it's unreal

[patent dock]

It might be a mobile thing to differentiate same name accounts that starts counting at 0? idk

[tranquil lintel]

im cooking something rn that works but it might not be good in practice

[mossy coral]

I don't even think this can apply either, even if it's 1 stack or could be 1 stack.
I think it only applied to phys EQ

[tranquil lintel]

I can test if it gets the area

[mossy coral]

I mean it's better than nothing I suppose

[tranquil lintel]

honestly I cant tell, too much visual clutter

[mossy coral]

Gotta stand close to a dummy, miss on purpose until you hit it

I think that 20% area will have basically no impact unless you have EQ in a cone

[tranquil lintel]

I have eq in a cone but when it procs from natural wrath it doesnt appear in a cone

but the damage numbers are the exact same as casting it myself

[mossy coral]

Oooh it says directly on the EQ tree

No fun allowed

[tranquil lintel]

oh yeah so it does

didnt even notice

interestingly the only node in all of eq that mentions directly

[mossy coral]

Most likely cause of Bhuldar and they found it unbalanced

Back then

[tranquil lintel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL0845bx

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (57) / Shaman (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,637, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,056.2, Regen: 13.92/s
▸ Ward Retention: 12%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 47 Str / 11 Dex / 6 Int / 18 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 51% / 92% / 104% / 79% / 39% / 45% / 45%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 527
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (227)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 39% (2,122)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 68%

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Upheaval

[tranquil lintel]

ok rough draft so you can get the idea

world splitter works. the idol only consumes 50% of the mana of eq rather than actually casting it for half its cost so the damage is the same as a self cast eq

the main problem is needing alot of attack speed to have stacks

[mossy coral]

I wonder if that makes EQ have less crit chance from splitter since it's 25 mana instead of 50

[tranquil lintel]

it seems to not change the crit chance

[mossy coral]

It would hurt but you can take 10 points in viper for AS

[azure grotto]

Are the storm bolts from gathering storm considered spell damage ?

[tranquil lintel]

they are

[tranquil lintel]

yeah its probably worth it

[mossy coral]

yeah, they also gain 1 flat damage/attunement

[azure grotto]

So if i wanna do gathering storm i need attunement too

[mossy coral]

A bit at least, if you want it to deal damage you need to stack mana. At least over 1k but it will also consume 10 mana maximum per hit. (It consumes 1% of your current mana to deal more damage when you have that node)

[mossy coral]

I think it can maybe work at least, might even need near perfect roll on the idols

It could also be worth to use reliquary nest, might not bug it out

[tranquil lintel]

you need 2x 30% less frequency idols with some amount of increased effect to make it feel comfortable otherwise you're constantly battling to get to 30 stacks. With 2x you can keep one stack for almost 30 seconds

Yeah I considered reliquary nest too, the belt is pretty nice for ASp% and damage but it means you have to get frenzy somewhere reliably

keeping it up with evade and nihilis is doable I suppose

[mossy coral]

warcry + maelstroms is possible if you numlock it

[tranquil lintel]

id have to drop wolf and aspect of the lynx then but that can work too

you can also gain maelstrom stacks with GS

[mossy coral]

Most likely 1 or 2 stacks but will help for sure

[tranquil lintel]

well you spend 20 storm stacks at a time it actually keeps it up quite well

[mossy coral]

More when expending yeah

[tranquil lintel]

but I will admit ive only smacked a dummy so far

I spent alot of today trying to make melee natural wrath work and this has been my best attempt yet

[mossy coral]

Looks a lot better than other builds posted before for sure

[tranquil lintel]

I want to give it a go online but im completley tapped on havoc runes

[neon steppe]

does stuff that restores mana, for example summon sprigs rejuv wind, restore rage while transformed?

[mellow kestrel]

DEV STREAM WOOOO

[near leaf]

I want to say yes, but actually never tried it

[winged swallow]

I return

and I am ready to rock and roll

[near leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/drg-deep-rock-galactic-deep-rock-dwarves-dwarf-gif-23593501

[winged swallow]

time to push to that 300c mark and start farming out my dedicated boss drops

null portent here I come for that sweet sweet survivability boost

[high stratus]

I think so, healing totems restore rage on death if you spec them that way in thorn totem tree and they're copying a mana restore node

[patent dock]

Yes, rage is mana

[winged swallow]

Man wish corrupted gear could be used as LP fodder. But the corruption affix had a 0% chance to be carried over. All the good LP fodder i'm finding is from god dang omens