🐺┃primalist

[karmic bison]

and i cast the aftershocks on my healing totems

very convient and easymode.

[tranquil lintel]

so eq is there mostly there for the feedback loop to proc avalanche, gotya. I was messing about with that idea on a planner the other day but didnt have any minion synergies going on

[high stratus]

does divining totem work for minion triggered aftershocks?

[karmic bison]

Yes!

[high stratus]

nice, I remember someone saying it didn't before

yeah scorpion sounds fun then

[tardy frost]

yeah they must have fixed that

sounds good I might try this build later

[high stratus]

drop tons of boulders, spend rage to do it

[tardy frost]

it still does drain rage right? so you have to invest into rage regen?

[karmic bison]

Its free too

No mana needed lol

Unlike bear eq

[high stratus]

Spriggan form/Scorpion/Thorn Totems/Avalanche/EQ ?

[karmic bison]

But yeah it does the avalanche loop and u get lots of big boulders

[high stratus]

I like the sound of that more than storm totem/GS via the relic in spriggan form

[karmic bison]

Unfortunately no small ones but still lots of big ones

[raven sluice]

Does scorp need to start the loop on its own?

[high stratus]

I'd guess so, if the loop drops it can restart it in ~2s

[karmic bison]

Scorpion procs crash wave every third boulder drop and thats when the nukes come down

[high stratus]

wouldn't the boulders on aftershocks be small ones?

[raven sluice]

What do you do while waiting for chain reaction?

[near leaf]

With the node in Avalanche you have 20% chance to get big ones

[high stratus]

drop healing/thorn totems i'd guess

[karmic bison]

Scorpion isnt setup to do small boulders yet

[limpid veldt]

wait, isn't solo companion node only limits your number of companion to 1?

[high stratus]

so scorpion automatically drops large boulders on EQ aftershocks?

[tranquil lintel]

the wolf tree can bypass that

[karmic bison]

Yep

[raven sluice]

Wolves have an extra free. Scurry doubles wolves and makes them squirrels

[near leaf]

And squirreling is applied after

[limpid veldt]

oh

[high stratus]

wolf tree gets you a second wolf and squirrel helmet doubles them

[limpid veldt]

so they have more dmg than not taking the node then?

[tardy frost]

wait and they still get all the bonuses from single companion nodes?

omegalul

[limpid veldt]

wow

that temps me tro try squirrel now

[raven sluice]

Duo solo wolf was very nice last season. Using howl of the west wind. Scurry seems very strong too

[high stratus]

someone above said 4 "solo" squirrels = 11.7 normal ones and 2 "solo" wolves = 6.8 normal wolves

[raven sluice]

What's squirrel dmg relative to wolf?

[high stratus]

which definitely seems better to me

[near leaf]

4 solo squirrels =11.7 regulars squirrels
So overall you loose about 0.3 squirrels

[high stratus]

wolves have 12% less damage, squirrels have 48% less

wolves also get 12 health per strength and squirrels get 8

[limpid veldt]

so if X is whatever the dmg is

wolf has X/1.12 dmg

squirrel has X/1.48

right?

[mossy coral]

What do you guys think, spirit wolves or squirrels?

[raven sluice]

52% (squirrel), 88% (wolf) <=> 0.52/0.88 =0.59090909, so 59.1%. Then squirrels just deal 18.2% more dmg. Scurry is however a super strong helm statwise for bleed wolf on life base

[high stratus]

no, 1 x 0.88 and 1 x 0.52

1/1.12 is 89.something% not 88%

[limpid veldt]

wait, what is less here? If X is the original dmg and Y is the reduced dmg, then is the relation is Y x 1.12=X?

[tranquil lintel]

just a sanity check, Taste of blood halves duration with each hit right? so a 4 second bleed would become 2 then 1?

[high stratus]

12% less means x0.88

[limpid veldt]

since Y needs 12% more dmg to be X so I understand Y x 1.12=X

[raven sluice]

Nope

[high stratus]

no if you do 20% less and 20% more you don't end up back where you started

[raven sluice]

100% more with 50% less -> base dmg

[near leaf]

🐿️ 🐿️

[near leaf]

Correct

[limpid veldt]

ok so the relation is

if X is the starting dmg

[near leaf]

And just to check, it doesn't halves like chop it, it speeds it up and makes it faster

[mossy coral]

It's 35% less doe, worth for 2 more hits?

[limpid veldt]

"more" dmg = X x (1+%more)

"less" dmg= X x (1-%less)

right?

[high stratus]

this is right @limpid veldt

[limpid veldt]

I mean I need to know the formula

[near leaf]

For bleed yes

[limpid veldt]

@high stratus since previously I thought that "less" = X/(1+%less)

[mossy coral]

Ah was thinking of crit

[raven sluice]

50% less = 100% - 50% = 50% = half
25% less = 100% - 25% = 75% = three quarters
0% more = 0% less = 100% = base dmg
25% more = 100% + 25% = 125% = five quarters
50% more = 100% + 50% = 150% = three halves

[near leaf]

In that case, imo lightning helm is the best

[mossy coral]

Hmm

[limpid veldt]

right now

the question is

how about crit wolf?

[high stratus]

crit wolf is good, 150% multi for lightning damage

[limpid veldt]

wolf has added spell dmg based on str and increased dmg based on attunement

I want to try whatever is better

[high stratus]

wolf lightning bolts suck unfortunately

[raven sluice]

Agree. Either bleed scurry cuz scurry giga strong for life based wolf bleed, or if crit then howl of the west wind cuz it's giga strong for wolf hit

[limpid veldt]

between bleed and lightning wolf

[high stratus]

lightning melee is good though

[mossy coral]

Does the helmet care about lightning melee dmg from buffs or just generic?

[limpid veldt]

wait then what is " 150% multi for lightning damage" is for?

isn't for lightning build?

[high stratus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwJgrAzKQ

[raven sluice]

Howl of the west wind

[high stratus]

(31% to 47%) chance on hit with Lightning Skills to grant your Wolves additional Melee Lightning Damage equal to your Melee Lightning Damage
This buff lasts 5 seconds and does not stack. This effect cannot trigger more than once per second. The duration of the buff is increased by your increased Shock Duration.

[limpid veldt]

ok so lightning melee wolf?

[high stratus]

you can use primordial gavel w/ t7 flat lightning melee to double the lightning melee on an offhand tempest maw w/ t7 flat lightning melee

give your wolves tons of flat

[raven sluice]

Wolves are only good melee kinda. Potentially ever so slightly with retaliation. Spell on hit chance is too low

[limpid veldt]

but we have no lightning wolf animation?

[mossy coral]

It only works on exalted weapons, maw doesn't work

[near leaf]

I believe every sources work

[raven sluice]

Ah, I forgot

[limpid veldt]

I guess I will try both bleed and lightning wolf then

[raven sluice]

Gavel + exalted something

[high stratus]

ah I meant the base that tempest maw is on

crescent axe or something?

[limpid veldt]

btw

[raven sluice]

Yup

[limpid veldt]

I still don't know if tornado shaman is better than tornado druid

[mossy coral]

ah yeah yeah

[limpid veldt]

lightning druid is top on rorruption only proves that it is better than other druid

[high stratus]

lightning retaliation only triggers a lot vs trash that you don't need the damage against

[raven sluice]

But there's other good 1hs too @high stratus Like the weapons that upgrade vs harbingers

[high stratus]

terrible single target

[limpid veldt]

and tornado shaman not on top only proves that it is worse than totem/reflect

[mossy coral]

retaliation is just a meme, does nothing

[high stratus]

isn't the flat lightning melee on that axe the only relevant stat?

[raven sluice]

For dmg, but you can get % life as endurance threshold

[high stratus]

or just that the most dedicated druid player chose to play that.

In games like LE I don't believe anyone is playing the best build tbh, there aren't enough players exploring enough ideas to discover the global maxima on any patch I reckon

[limpid veldt]

At least in this season since things are easier now

so people will go for builds they like

since I see more uberroth kills with non-famous builds now

[high stratus]

well all the corruptions are another layer of complexity that I doubt is being optimised that hard

[limpid veldt]

meteor, shield throw, flame reave,...

[high stratus]

I saw shield throw kill on UA in 1.2 IIRC

[high stratus]

I think it was a CN player bouncing it off MA

[limpid veldt]

oh

fire shield throw?

[limpid veldt]

why is the scopion looks so... necrotic?

[karmic bison]

mtx

[limpid veldt]

mtx?

[karmic bison]

a cosmetic for your skills

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

thought there is a necrotic scopion now

ok my question is

how good is lightning wolf for clear?

we have like only 2 wolves

[karmic bison]

rofl when scorpion procs eq the shatter mtx sometimes leaves trails of pink gfx

[high stratus]

They've got that aoe cold bite and quite fast movement so it isn't the worst but it's also not incredible

I think I have to try this scorpion build

[regal hawk]

can a scorpion cast storm bolts and/or tsunami from its maelstrom stacks?

[karmic bison]

I believe so but it would be much worse then if storm totem was doing it.

[regal hawk]

well the plan was for both

[high stratus]

Can scorpion spawn coldstone elementals I wonder

they're not very good but it's interesting at least

[regal hawk]

they are good for tanking

[mossy coral]

Lol you don't need a lightning melee attack to give your wolves lightning damage, basic attack works too

[high stratus]

really?

[mossy coral]

yeah lol, don't need swipe to be lightning, pog

Wait this is disgusting

It can have 150 flat lightning

[patent dock]

Yeah, I hear tsunami from scorp is pretty solid

[patent dock]

Yes, like the storm stack node it generates them for the player

[high stratus]

perfectly balanced, as all things should be

[patent dock]

Most of your clear comes from spirit wolves, so not super different from normal wolf builds

[mossy coral]

Sadly the generic flat won't count for that

[wind mortar]

Hey guys! How good are totems this league? Think they can kill uber or not enough of a buff?

[near leaf]

It's not flat

It's more dmg

[near leaf]

I saw them kill it in s3

[high stratus]

I thought he meant you can get like 150 flat from your weapons

I think it's closer to 300

[mossy coral]

Why is it spelled reversed

[near leaf]

Ah OK

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's flat lightning from items, I noticed you can have 130 more cause of how they spell different affix names lol

Funny how it ended up at 150 when the node is also 150 xD

[high stratus]

Gavel + offhand exalted is better than 2 tempest maw IIRC

but 2x lp1 tempest maw is pretty good and easy to do

[mossy coral]

Trying to see if discord can work

[near leaf]

Wings of discord?

[mossy coral]

Minion build = squishy, need to fix that

[near leaf]

And yet pale ox exist

+1 or 2 RR

[mossy coral]

I wanna try to not be LL again, pale works but dodge is really neat. Just need to fit health, endurance and all that..

[karmic bison]

Yeah im cooking on this build. Cant wait to get crit multi and physical resis shred

[mossy coral]

I want to keep doing LL Aftershock BM so might just create a new one for wolf

Even though aftershocks are kinda scuffed

[raven sluice]

Clearing with scorp tsunami?

[karmic bison]

Nope I completely swapped build to scorpion avalanche

has very good clear with primal cadence for even more clear

[raven sluice]

Ah, ok

Sounds cool then

I was just thinking, if scorp avalanche loops infinitely, then you could get a lot of storm stacks, that would generate maelstroms

[tardy frost]

what primal slot are you using btw?

[near leaf]

Cadence

[raven sluice]

You mean what he slammed on primal cadence?

Cadence looks nice now

It's a lot of crit

[wind mortar]

What would u guys say the best primalist build is for hc uber abby? I had a really geared reflect 3k hp 3200 endurance threshold 60% endurance red ring 120k reflect. 100 grit avoid. Still got one shot 23 overkill damage to the boss echo that has all the harbingers…. Just don’t even understand how 320 corruption. Are they just that strong?

[raven sluice]

Ah, it always had that crit

[patent dock]

Unless they changed something, scorp cannot loop at all

[raven sluice]

Ah

The earthquake is unspecialised?

[patent dock]

It can start up your storm stacks and then maintain them with friends of the tempest, which is funny

The EQ is specialized, but boulders it procs are not

[raven sluice]

Ah

[tardy frost]

yeah nvm Im blind, I wonder how much cadence actually improves clear

[high stratus]

that's 5 skills alone I think

GS, Maelstrom, Scorp, Avalanche, EQ

I guess you could go unspec spriggan form for rage idk

[karmic bison]

By a decent margin but its all mainly for the massive base crit

Ohh does snow crash not cast specialized? Hmmm maybe I spec eq to triple burst instead and do way more damage. Triple burst works so thats good enough for me

[high stratus]

surprised you want more base crit with crit on scorp tree and avalanche tree

[tardy frost]

it shouldn't cast unspecced avalanche but some interactions are weird, i.e. I don't think that idols that proc ava boulders are affected by the chance to proc large boulders instead of small

either oversight or fun detected, pick your poison

[mossy coral]

The lil blep

[high stratus]

I don't think it's casting unspec'd avalanche boulders from EQ aftershocks

I've got the cold conversion on and all the small boulders i'm seeing are cold not mixed

[limpid veldt]

@tranquil lintel for bleed squirrel

which seems better?

julra or blood roost?

[near leaf]

Julra

That way you double dip on the slamed AS

[limpid veldt]

what is "dip"?

[high stratus]

it means you get the benefit twice

[limpid veldt]

why twice?

you just slam 30% AS and that's all?

[near leaf]

You get as, means you attack faster means your squirrels hit more with spirits

Your squirrels get as means they attack faster

[limpid veldt]

but bleed pens allow them to deal more dmg with bleed

like both help doing more dmg

[near leaf]

You already have a lot of pen with Boar effect

What the value of pen on blood rost?

[tranquil lintel]

30% max roll

[winged swallow]

"Dip" also known as a "Double Dip" is when one thing effectively gives you two positive outcomes. Like with Bleed or Poison application "Attack speed" is effectively a double dip as it improves: 1. Application rate to start sooner this is a very strong double dip if you also have something that requires more stacks of the DoT to be effective like a "Undisputed" unique one-handed axe. 2. More stacks will effectively mean more overall damg due to having more stacks

Like with my Physical GS build. Melee attack speed is a Quad dip for Armor shred, Bleed application, aftershock application, and survivability application as I have heal on hit

[tranquil lintel]

I'm not a reliable source to ask questions btw . I just became a minion enjoyer this morning 🗿

[high stratus]

ah nvm if you phys convert avalanche it becomes obvious that the scorpion EQ aftershock boulders are unspecialised

and I wasn't getting storm stacks for them either

[winged swallow]

darn that's a shame

could have been a cool synergy

[high stratus]

it means that the scorpion can't loop EQ/Ava

I'm not sure whether it's best to spec for scorp triggering EQ with boulders or upheaval then

EQ I guess given how strong EQ is

[high stratus]

Snowcrash boulders and triple slam are the only things the scorp procs that seem to cost mana

maybe upheaval too? but it was hardly budging my mana

[tardy frost]

fun detected amirite

meanwhile rogue can't fart without procing 10 synergies

some classes are just more equal than others

[winged swallow]

The game doesn't like my fun either. Physical GS is super fun. But the game can't handle how fun I am

[high stratus]

EHGism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be having fun playing primalist

[winged swallow]

Primalist has some of the funniest "concepts" in the ENTIRE! ARPG genre. But so many things just randomly don't synergize

[tardy frost]

• class looks like Mike
• Mike doesn't give a single shit about the class

the irony is palpable

[winged swallow]

Like how every single skill EVER that converts also converts nodes related to the other element. But randomly crow aspect just....doesn't? why?

[high stratus]

conversions are so scuffed in LE tbh

[tardy frost]

eh I mean it's not bad but I wouldn't say it's an outstanding concept design wise, just a northern druid mostly

like you could make a jungle druid and it would be more fun and unique, you know, the exotic south American flair

[tardy frost]

lol bro every conversion that I know of is or historically was plagued with issues and many just refuse to work with certain elements outright, i.e. void cleave fire conversion does nothing for ravaging aura and EHG explicitly said that it never will

[winged swallow]

Tempest strike is a very fun design (horrible numbers so it can't perform). Gathering storm rewards attack speed to a ludcrious degree which is hilarious

[tardy frost]

why? GFY that's why

[high stratus]

some converts damage but not ailments, others convert stuff like freeze and stun but not bleed and frostbite, some conversions are partial (lel swipe) and some convert subskills but others do not, some damage nodes that care about conditions relating to the damage type convert to care about ailments relating to the new damage type but others do not

[tardy frost]

it's fun thematically but its gameplay design is just all over the place, and even then thematically I would put in some subspells that make more sense as a part of a melee attack

[tardy frost]

I see your lel swipe and raise you swarm strike

I forgot who of the regulars here was chronically butthurt about that one but I'm sure the dude is still butthurt about it today

and that's understandable tbh

[high stratus]

didn't diablo 4 do this and it was terrible?

[tardy frost]

havent played that one but also I fail to see why it would have to be terrible

[mossy coral]

Elp pls, spirit wolf crit Idk how to make it tanky enough, it's missing everything and will die from a sneeze
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A21bEW7b

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (87)

General:

▸ Health: 2,352, Regen: 26.4/s
▸ Mana: 158.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 44 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 17 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 16% / 73% / 73% / 16% / 16% / 18% / 18%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 603
▸ Dodge Chance: 37% (1315)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,526)

Used skills:

Summon Wolf / Swipe / Summon Frenzy Totem / Warcry / Maelstrom

[high stratus]

I haven't touched D4 at all

[high stratus]

equip scurry and a bunch of boar effect idols

[mossy coral]

It's around west wind though

18 armor on that helmet is criminal, who designed that

[tardy frost]

carcinated altar gang

[sly bobcat]

🦀 🦀 🦀 all becomes crab 🦀 🦀 🦀

🦀 🦀 🦀 $11🦀 🦀 🦀

[mossy coral]

Double crab ring and t-rex relic ooba killa

[tardy frost]

T-REX and the Crabs

sounds like a trash metal band name

[mossy coral]

Lol crabs don't have 50% DR?

[tardy frost]

ehg special

[mossy coral]

No wonder they instantly dies

[wind sleet]

use gavel+exalted oh.
change your gloves - julra for dps or vise for ehp.
change boots - mountain.
change relic - shattered worlds
change rings obv
and amulet ofc
oh and belt 😄

[crude breach]

I am home to many critters

[tardy frost]

didn't rogue use to be able to hit 500 bees before the nerf?

[mossy coral]

I could maybe do gavel, it's a stretch.
Boots and amulet(or belt) I could change, using abberoth gear is a little stretch

Feedback is good though

[crude breach]

death by bee stings and squirells bites

[wind sleet]

if you dont have uber gear you can use ravenous void gloves for ehp. and twisted heart relic as ehp option also

but tbh dedication is a lot of damage idk if i would swap it for ehp option

[mossy coral]

Its a hard choice, twisted is normally just good in general

[crude breach]

43 for now but If I can get +5 bees corrupt node on all 4 of my keeper's idols...

[mossy coral]

That's a lot of regen

[crude breach]

what regen

[mossy coral]

If you had this affix

[crude breach]

oh I use entire set

[sly bobcat]

My warlock has 2 bees/10s so you could say I'm kind of a big deal now

[patent dock]

Only the ones from scorp snowcrash are unspecced (unless they changed this with no patch note), your own snowcrashes work fine

[tardy frost]

did they comment on whether that's intended or not?

[patent dock]

No. Originally, scorp's boulders couldn't even proc upheaval nor EQ, they fixed it a couple weeks into the season and funnily scorp's EQ behaved a lot differently from bear's. I don't remember 100% of the details, but they did update them to be more consistent since. It has been an iterative process lol

[high stratus]

Another idea from Chronicon for Primalist, just the last sentence. Give the single tornado on self a use

[mossy coral]

Hey that ain't LE

[limpid veldt]

@high stratus @tranquil lintel ok this is squirrel's kill with maxed t7 gears. Advantage is that it's very smooth

in realistic online I would expect 4+ min kills

[mossy coral]

Wtf is that health lmfao

[limpid veldt]

didn't I say max t7 gears?

[tranquil lintel]

can you post the planner?

[limpid veldt]

planner full of 4x t7 gears

[mossy coral]

Yeah but still lmao

[high stratus]

there's not much point, you're never going to get even one piece of gear he has

[limpid veldt]

similar to yours

[high stratus]

pretty funny how fast the squirrels are, they leap with you out of the slam wave but run back in so fast

[limpid veldt]

I just test quickly since I'm lazy to farm gears

[tranquil lintel]

yeah i know just wanted to see how they built it so i can compare

[limpid veldt]

not very fast

[high stratus]

I meant movement speed not kill speed

[limpid veldt]

storm crow does so in 31 sec

[candid topaz]

I thought about how the squirrel helm with bees would feel. Does it feel good?

[high stratus]

I'm not surprised. Storm Crow's tree is absolutely amazing

there's just so much damage there, so much scaling

you could probably have +20 to storm crow and still find good nodes to take

[limpid veldt]

that;s 4 sec slower than abom :))) crows are insane

[mossy coral]

The drawback is its ramping damage

Good on bosses, I found it too slow in monos but that's just me

[limpid veldt]

btw

[high stratus]

So I was thinking a unique which works with the single tornado on self and does this: casting again refreshes the duration and increases the damage of the tornado (which wouldn't increase the damage of storm bolts, but would for storm orbs I guess).

So you can play a kind of maelstrom DOT-like style

[limpid veldt]

squirrels tanked time shattering slam with no problem there :)))

[high stratus]

with perfect boar idols don't they get like >80% damage reduction?

I'm not too surprised

[limpid veldt]

yeah

not very fast but very smooth killing

[tranquil lintel]

damn

thankyou rng gods

[high stratus]

squirrels eating well in your game huh

[tranquil lintel]

they're still wolves atm, one more level and they will be able to complete their metamorphosis into squirrels

a very natural process

hahahaha

i logged out to patch the game and logged back in and that idol is gone from my inventory

rest in peppers

[near leaf]

So @mossy coral ,I made a thing
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owLln83M

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Shaman (73) / Druid (20)

General:

▸ Health: 2,009, Regen: 177.87/s
▸ Mana: 497.51, Regen: 21.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 24%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 18 Dex / 12 Int / 171 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 23% / 72% / 71% / 50% / 61% / 41% / 130%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 706
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (72)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,824)

Used skills:

Spriggan Form / Summon Spriggan / Summon Thorn Totem / Avalanche / Maelstrom

[near leaf]

Cold crit Spriggan

[mossy coral]

Hmm interesting, spirit wolves counts as a basic attack and lowers the cooldown of Ice bite, I got like no gear on me but wolf does the ice bit every 4th hit, when you hit with spirit wolves it's every 2nd hit. (Also it says ice bite have some radius but it doesn't lul)

[mossy coral]

Jormuuuuuuuun

Stun chance in maelstrom cause why not or?

[near leaf]

Yeah nothing better in there

[mossy coral]

Healing?

[near leaf]

Rn it's in the phase of squeezing all dmg

I'll looking into tankiness sustain if I actually play the character

[mossy coral]

It looks pretty solid

[near leaf]

Thoses idols though

💀

[limpid veldt]

@tranquil lintel offline full t7 gear https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzjJkmN

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (75) / Shaman (18)

General:

▸ Health: 6,594, Regen: 1,069.2/s
▸ Mana: 474.33, Regen: 16.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 142 Str / 26 Dex / 18 Int / 32 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 91% / 113% / 113% / 99% / 125% / 105% / 105%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 1,635
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (123)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 78% (10,484)

Used skills:

Summon Frenzy Totem / Summon Wolf / Warcry / Swipe / Fury Leap

[mossy coral]

Well the 22%/totem isn't super hard to get, the boulders isn't really needed either. Only hard one to get is the thorn totem one and you can even get that as a omen idol

[near leaf]

My problem is the t7 enchant

I dunno, I am scared of idol farming

[near leaf]

What is even the point lol

[mossy coral]

T6 is ok to aim qt

At

[limpid veldt]

he asked me to share planner

[near leaf]

I mean, what the point in generating such character,
You aren't testing anything

This is not a "build"
I mean with a setup like this even serpent strike will perform

[patent dock]

Yeah, until you have a full setup of those, you'd probably want a diff mainhand

[near leaf]

Probably Wrongwarp

[limpid veldt]

just want to see their ceiling

[patent dock]

Can't go wrong with that one

[near leaf]

I don't think that a ceiling

Imo it's an illusion

[limpid veldt]

depends. I just compare with the kill time of top build

so for me it's fair comparison

[wind sleet]

oh i remember this crows wall of nothing dodge buildfrom start of the last season. good with full t7s. shit in real game

so there is clearly no point to even talk about full t7s builds

[near leaf]

Wasn't it online though?

[wind sleet]

nah

[near leaf]

Ah

Right

[tardy frost]

played something very similar early in the league, avalanche on cast is a trap it uses only small boulders. Also my setup was a lot more defensive this is gonna be giga rekt, also silvafrond is rather useless now that you have evade by default

also your boot is useless in normal gameplay you never stand still and on bosses it's not that drastic of a difference to warrant swapping

at least I can't be bothered

[mossy coral]

Small can be big if you spec into it, I also think you need to be near an enemy?

[patent dock]

Evade is nice, but silvafrond still mandatory

[tardy frost]

dude just no, no way I'm unequipping a real ring for this

literally zero stat slot

[crude breach]

are aftershock considered mellee?

[mellow kestrel]

How does this work?

[patent dock]

Being able to teleport is 100% worth it

[high stratus]

it holds down the spirit thorns button in spriggan form and hopes the enemy dies before it does

[patent dock]

Yes, unless you allocate the lightning spell conversion in EQ's skill tree

[high stratus]

can coldstone elementals do anything useful?

[mossy coral]

Trigger pack?

[mellow kestrel]

They are crapstone elementals

[high stratus]

I guess they can absorb some damage

ablative armor

if scorp is triggering EQ then that lightning more damage per shock node is looking kinda nice

it's a 5/5 100% more lightning node

[mellow kestrel]

How scorp do dat

[high stratus]

spec scorp to trigger boulders, spec avalanche to trigger EQ every third boulder

[open ravine]

I was pretty unimpressed with the damage of aftershocks even as DoT

[high stratus]

triple slam all the way IMO

[open ravine]

hard to get good overlaps too

[high stratus]

aftershocks are for idols not using EQ

[open ravine]

bigger target would be better so maybe like abby or whatever would be fine

[mellow kestrel]

Wow would EQ use scorp stats

[open ravine]

yeah

it's pretty good as melee and spell, tbh

[mellow kestrel]

Interesting

[open ravine]

spell is better tho, since you can do a setup to also use the scorp's nova

and you get flat from tempest

[mellow kestrel]

Right

[high stratus]

🙁 can't play spriggan form then

[open ravine]

oh idk about spriggan form but you can play it lmao if you want more clunk and use tempest totems

actually...

[high stratus]

that means form dancing, ewww

[open ravine]

tempest proc on transform, does it summon totems?

if so you can get lagon stacks that way

ah smh let me test

[high stratus]

not sure but spriggan can't melee attack other than GS belt and Bhuldar's wrath anyway

[open ravine]

oh it's melee attack damn

[high stratus]

can't even basic attack in spriggan form

[wind mortar]

Yo is thorn/storm totem good dps?

[open ravine]

well nvm

[high stratus]

yeah it's really sweet

most people play spriggan form with it and trigger storm totem with stormcarved testament but I think there's a case to be made for using laup relic instead

[wind mortar]

@high stratus Okay thanks! how would u say it does vs uber abberoth?

[high stratus]

I've never seen it used for a UA kill tbh, it's more of a low gear req fairly fast farming build

[mellow kestrel]

Yea plus you can cats tempest totems too

Not a fan of spriggan form for totem build

[near leaf]

Idk 😅

[karmic bison]

Gonna do lots of farming tonight. Eq scorp is the way.

[high stratus]

of the top 5 corruption pushing players on the ladder playing totem shaman none have killed UA, one has killed Observer

it's not a bossing build

[wind mortar]

what would u guys say is best primal uber ab killing build if you was in HC?

[high stratus]

storm crows probably

or EQ bear

[mellow kestrel]

Does it proc a lot?

[high stratus]

about 1.2x per 2s

well, call it 1.1

[mellow kestrel]

Whaaaat

Does the spell hit from nova also proc it?

I can check the tree . Forgot if it’s only melee or not

[high stratus]

Scorp has a 30% chance to proc a large boulder on melee hit, rate limited to 3 per 2s.

Avalanche can trigger upheaval on every large boulder, a small boulder on every large boulder crit (20% chance to become another large boulder) and an EQ every third large boulder.

The only things which cost mana there are Upheaval (8 mana per), EQ (16 mana per slam with triple slam specialised)

Upheaval and EQ can both count as melee hits (nova and boulders cannot) which helps but in general your scorpion needs to hit about 9 times per 2s to hit the max proc rate.

upheaval counting as another hit is like 30% more attack speed I think

and EQ hits thrice if you spec triple slam which is another 30% more sort of

if you make EQ a spell it won't count though

[pseudo python]

guys, sry to ask this, does anyone has a planner for a tornado shaman, arena variant, cold one? ty

[high stratus]

Anyone know whether the scorpion attacks with its tail or claws more? they have different speeds and idk if it's like a 2:1 ratio or something

[crude breach]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL08lm3k smb plz make this bear I don't have resources xD

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (15) / Druid (57)

General:

▸ Health: 3,842, Regen: 827.28/s
▸ Mana: 293.41, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 85 Str / 41 Dex / 41 Int / 72 Att / 48 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 119% / 119% / 123% / 117% / 90% / 52%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 1,385
▸ Dodge Chance: 13% (424)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 64% (5,053)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 111%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Swipe / Earthquake / Fury Leap / Upheaval

[wise leaf]

Tail attack has a cooldown

[high stratus]

u sure? tunklabs and LET both say no cooldown

that's good news though, it's the slower of its melee attacks

[wise leaf]

Yeah i tested, it's like 3 seconds or something. I know it's weird but it's the only explanation i could figure out

[high stratus]

thanks for the info

[sly bobcat]

does it not alternate in some pattern? I've never actually used scorpion enough to pay attention

[wise leaf]

Nah, i tested with differing amount of attack speeds and got different amounts of claw attacks per tail attack

[left cliff]

How much do dedicated Companion builds have to babysit/revive their pets in end game?

[wise leaf]

In general you try avoid them dying

And for the most part they don't

[sly bobcat]

very rarely. they can sometimes get spiked but you generally don't need to worry about picking them up

[sly bobcat]

is there any scorpion setup that cares about its basic attacks other than boulders?

[wise leaf]

I mean nova scorp gets a not insignificant amount of a its single target dps from poisons from its melee

[sly bobcat]

I like that it gets a melee area increase node. the thought of giga pincers swiping things is funny

that's kinda surprinsing to me. I would have figured the amount of juiced up poisons on the nova would way out class the melee poisons

[wise leaf]

Yeah scorp's melees + avalanche boulders were accounting for about 40% of its single target dps in my cacls

[left cliff]

Cool, okay, thanks. 👍
Been contemplating some jank using squirrels to spam storm bolts, since my original idea of lots of Maelstrom-Scorpions isn't possible 🤔

[sly bobcat]

I've always wanted to try out the west wind wolves build. has it been power crept out?

zip zap wolves

[near leaf]

Oof

If you want to do that hammer to procc aftershocks, you need an attack that doesn't scale with attack speed >> no Cd rampage

[near leaf]

Almost never

[mossy coral]

Never, they shouldn't die. If you reach that point and can't keep it alive at all times there's Hakar's Phoenix 1h axe, it revives your companion with like a 10 sec cooldown

[raven sluice]

man, I'm always overprepping when making new chars

just gotta shatter all these set items, then complete these echos on non-empowered for 15 free lvls, etc

[mossy coral]

OMG crit avoid blessing gives dodge rating

[sly bobcat]

dodge feels like it should be good on primalist in theory with dex scaling companions, dodge on the tree, and easy access to endurance stats

if only serpent strike didn't have the area of a pinhead

[mossy coral]

You can get to 65% pretty reasonable, especially with some maelstroms

Lower if you try to have more armor though

A little scuffed, sad part is I can't wear belt+amu for 32 flat
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9Jg21YE

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (91)

General:

▸ Health: 2,995, Regen: 179.8/s
▸ Mana: 154.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 14/s
▸ Attributes: 52 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 27 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 67% / 67% / 65% / 7% / 9% / 9%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 860
▸ Dodge Chance: 30% (1030)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 35% (1,827)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 60%

Used skills:

Summon Wolf / Swipe / Summon Frenzy Totem / Warcry / Fury Leap

[near leaf]

And the dmg of a cheap water gun

[sly bobcat]

it kinda feels like they've taken the old-Evelyn from league approach to it. It's mechanically just a mess so they nerfed the one thing it could do well into oblivion so they could revisit it with a full mechanical rework later

now where's my copium

[mossy coral]

Hate Spike

[light root]

I'm a newish player and currently playing a self-made build where I use tempest strike as my main ability and mostly deal damage via proccing a ton of storm bolts. (I know its probably not gonna get me far but I'm having fun so I'm playing it anyway)

I'm currently struggling to find a decent way to provide some leech for sustain, could anyone give me some ideas what I could do to add some leech? I struggled finding some decent uniques that fit in that regard

[near leaf]

Mind sharing a planner

[mossy coral]

If you find this amulet your leech is solved for a good while

[sly bobcat]

are you playing shaman or beastmaster?

[light root]

shaman

[light root]

i'm kinda okay with leech right now with filler gear but I'm looking for something better long term

[near leaf]

Last time I did smth similar I used the lightning hammer

Comes with leech

[light root]

uuh I don't really have one

[sly bobcat]

yeah storm breaker would be the best bet for leech itself. shaman gets a decent amount of health regen stuff. you can also spec maelstrom into a pretty potent heal over time

[near leaf]

Storm Breaker 2h Mace

[light root]

I'm using tempest maw to generate storm sprites and together with storm totem generate a ton of storm stacks through the "friends of the tempest" node in gathering storm to sustain proccing the stacks with tempest strike

[near leaf]

It also generates Storm Stacks

[sly bobcat]

storm totem alone should be enough to keep your stacks up with storm breaker

[light root]

I did use storm breaker for a while but I'm kinda enjoying dual wielding tempest maw for the sprites to provide stacks for me (and I'm loving the attack speed from dual wielding) so if possible I'd rather not switch the weapon

[mossy coral]

Well theres a blessing you can get

[light root]

oh that sounds like a good alternative option

[sly bobcat]

i think you'd be better off with regen or healing from maelstrom then. your leech sources are gonna be mostly related to melee damage through the beastmaster tree

[light root]

does maelstrom provide enough healing? how does that work? I'm actually running it in my build

[near leaf]

6 per stack per second

[sly bobcat]

yeah that

[light root]

oh that node is per stack?

[sly bobcat]

yep

[light root]

it doesn't say per stack so I thought it sucks lol

[near leaf]

Scale with Healing Effect too

If you ever can fit one affix

[mossy coral]

holding down warcry gives you 8 stacks = 48 healing/second, if you have 100% increased healing effectiveness it's 98/second

[near leaf]

Isn't that crazy....

[sly bobcat]

doesn't even get into the free maelstrom you're getting from storm bolts

[mossy coral]

Like 100 regen

[light root]

yeah i do generate a decent amount of maelstrom stacks passively right now so I guess i could make it work

[near leaf]

check note about how rogue gets 150hp per cast of shadow rend 2/3 times per second

[sly bobcat]

can't forget the shrouds for some guaranteed dodges and glancing blow cap

[mossy coral]

Can anyone tell me wth the 2nd line even means

[light root]

well thanks everyone for your help I'll see what I can make work with maelstrom :)

[sly bobcat]

You leech X% of damage as health on hit. It's now 11% higher

[near leaf]

If you have 100% Dmg leech you now have 100 x (1+11%)' leech

[sly bobcat]

leech is basically a HoT applied to you over a duration based on your % damage leeched as health

[mossy coral]

Wouldn't it say like "11% increased leech"

[sly bobcat]

that makes the HoT 11% stronger

[mossy coral]

Because it says increased damage, then leeched as health

[left cliff]

Oh, I always understood it as "If you do 100 damage, your leech is now based off of 111 damage"

[near leaf]

I guess the stat is called "dmg leech as health"

[crude breach]

swipe! with frenzy from shattered realms, big attack speed and frenzy has like 180% more effect due to rampancy!

[near leaf]

And the hammer divides all that attack speed by 2 iirc

[mossy coral]

Wish it was in the game guide, it doesn't even explain leech rate but I know what it is already

[near leaf]

Or more

[crude breach]

getting frenzy corrupt affix on shattered realms is biggest challange lol

[crude breach]

yeah but 150% MORE damage

that bear should hit like truck

alas it's just theory

[mossy coral]

Hit like a truck, run like you have no wheels

[crude breach]

I can't phantom frenzy cottupt mod on shattered realms

[left cliff]

Because of Blood bags right?😹

[crude breach]

relic gives haste! lol

[sly bobcat]

we're going 30% faster than the speed of smell now

[crude breach]

indeed lol

[near leaf]

I can feel, I am getting baited into a Melee Shaman

[sly bobcat]

-14.5%

[sly bobcat]

happens to me every season

[crude breach]

make fire shaman, with

[sly bobcat]

this is apparently my phys damage season because my melee shaman idea is just wind tempest kek

[crude breach]

I also want to see physical shaman with avalanche and physical gathering storm

[mossy coral]

Negative MS

[crude breach]

then you just dodge-roll and get rid of the slow! 😛

[sly bobcat]

i need to change my previous statement. we going 14.5% slower than the speed of smell

[crude breach]

I always wanted to make event horizon work

but alas the downside is too huge to be usable

[sly bobcat]

it works with shield bash

[crude breach]

booo sentinels here we are bonk barbarians!

imagine power of those aftershocks

[sly bobcat]

i want more proper CD reliant builds to be good. 9 times out of 10 if you have the option for 0 CD, you take that and just scale attack/cast speed

[tardy frost]

wasn't this the meta back in 1.2?

[candid topaz]

What is this build that uses the belt?

[sly bobcat]

i thought it was frostbite gathering storm with nados. i don't really remember phys avalanche being a thing

[crude breach]

self-cooked abomination more expensive than uncle's scrooge entire safe

[near leaf]

Leave me alone with fire primalist

[sly bobcat]

i wonder if I should use aftershock dots for my phys shaman. EQ scales with Att even without spell conversion right?

[crude breach]

there is also physical gathering storm

and you can make it ranged with mana cost with staff

[near leaf]

Meta no, used by Dread in one video , yes

[crude breach]

so maybe you could also throw avalanche boulders turned physical

[mossy coral]

yeah

[crude breach]

I call it...fred flintstone build!

[mossy coral]

Just beware aftershocks are just 1 meter from the enemy, kinda scuffed

[sly bobcat]

TS, Nado, Maelstrom, GS, EQ? dunno about GS

I'd be in melee anyway

[crude breach]

fire tornado and fire earthquake plz!

[mossy coral]

Just don't do fall of the empire

[crude breach]

make fire tornado follow you while you bonk in mellee

[sly bobcat]

imagine not face tanking the void puddles smh

[mossy coral]

Leaving the 2 giant void snakes for giga chadness?

[sly bobcat]

you know what's funny about Harton's Husk is the little shits that he spawns have no DR. When I was using my explodey axe they would pile on him and I'd crit them all for several million

and then he would explode

[mossy coral]

Yeah I remember you said that before, pretty funny stuff

[near leaf]

I am testing it rn

[mossy coral]

Wait the axe is enemies only?

[near leaf]

I am getting large boulders

20% of the time

With this

[mossy coral]

Because if it's everything you kill there's a potential upheaval totem kill stacking minion health

[near leaf]

And it even proccs an extra boulder on crit

[mossy coral]

Ah it says enemies, damn such a shame

[tardy frost]

I'm 100% sure that I didnt on 1.4 launch, maybe they've ninja fixed it in hotfixes since cause I don't remember seeing it

[mossy coral]

It could be with the change of boulders/spell cast because that was 1 digit of what it actually said it was

When 10% per cast was 1%

[near leaf]

😄

I had forgotten about my beautiful helmet

[mossy coral]

Seed?

[near leaf]

yup

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's disgusting!

[patent dock]

It has always worked

[wise leaf]

....harton's husk spawns adds?

I literally never noticed

[sly bobcat]

yeah the worms on the side will sometimes make four or so little voidling things

you only see them if your dps is trash

[neon steppe]

https://imgur.com/a/ZAvr3c6

hitting even bigger numbers with tsunami scorpo

[mossy coral]

WAIT THEY'VE MADE COMMAS NOW!?

[sly bobcat]

yeah with this patch

it's by default

[karmic bison]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJW0Y76W

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (39) / Shaman (39) / Druid (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,413, Regen: 240.96/s
▸ Mana: 213.37, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 107 Str / 78 Dex / 19 Int / 45 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 49% / 131% / 85% / 61% / 61% / 72% / 46%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 48%, Threshold: 888
▸ Dodge Chance: 15% (501)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 42% (2,444)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Summon Scorpion / Avalanche / Earthquake / Spriggan Form / Summon Thorn Totem

[near leaf]

I wouldnt know, I desactivated the dmg numbers in 1.3

LETS GOOO!!!!

1st 4lp of the patch

[mossy coral]

POOOOOOOG

Top rolls too

jebus

[raven sluice]

now just slam quad max roll t7 and corrupt permanent frenzy with 5% reduced effect

[candid topaz]

I just noticed that the frogs are a honey comb

wonder why they are not frogs

[near leaf]

Made a new belt

[mossy coral]

What an item.

[raven sluice]

my new boots

[mossy coral]

WTF nice craft

[raven sluice]

nice belt for potions

[mossy coral]

Where t7 MS

[raven sluice]

and EDT + CDR

[raven sluice]

I failed 🙁

but it makes me go from 2.2k to 2.5k life

which gives a couple 100 ward putting me at 4688

and 35.4 mana regen

my gear is a mess though, and char too, but I'm just farming up for next char

[mossy coral]

Noice

[raven sluice]

primalist number 25

I also have an acolyte

[sly bobcat]

is that legal

[raven sluice]

it's nothing about primalist being super special, I just never got around to learning the rest enough that they seemed more interesting than remaining primalist ideas

[karmic bison]

Dang might have found a bug with upheaval but gotta test again tonight

[near leaf]

Love it

2.7k hp
2k endu T

[sly bobcat]

that's some smooth damage intake

where's all the ET coming from?

[mossy coral]

Please do tell

Tanky bear

[raven sluice]

last bear is pog

wait is this legends entwined? that ring is cool

[patent dock]

Woah

[raven sluice]

actually... that corruption is sick

[patent dock]

Time to slam and corrupt

[near leaf]

Need to farm relic

[raven sluice]

damn, if youre stacking EDT, then that belt looks very very nice

or ET

[sly bobcat]

good heavens

[raven sluice]

very neat

Ekkidrasil dmg to rage, giga ET, some ward

[karmic bison]

It would be a pretty bad bug not fun lol

[mossy coral]

I wanna know

[high stratus]

When are we gonna get a minion that triggers tempest strike

New bee relic, your bees use tempest strike

[mossy coral]

1st slam gg

[patent dock]

Having the tempest totems isn't enough for you?

[neon seal]

nice belt

[mossy coral]

Really good belt

[candid topaz]

guys, is there any reason I should use strife on my frog build if I am not going cleaver?

I am only hitting 1k ward and having a hard time really pushing it any farther

Wonder if there is something else that would just help alittle more

[mossy coral]

Set to maximum

[viral valve]

Can someone help me improve my werebear build?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6Pp6plG

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 96

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (16) / Druid (60)

General:

▸ Health: 3,233, Regen: 59.47/s
▸ Mana: 275.38, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 52%, Regen: 10/s
▸ Attributes: 116 Str / 39 Dex / 26 Int / 53 Att / 46 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 98% / 78% / 92% / 80% / 108% / 124%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 61%, Threshold: 949
▸ Dodge Chance: 15% (478)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 77% (9,234)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 99%

Used skills:

Maelstrom / Swipe / Warcry / Werebear Form / Earthquake

[patent dock]

Dang, if only it wasn't min roll

[mossy coral]

holy moly

Got some leveling uniques and they all hit

[viral valve]

Leveling? Thats my main glove

[neon steppe]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7G4bXVG

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Shaman (66) / Druid (25)

General:

▸ Health: 4,479, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,010.51, Regen: 53.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 44%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 44 Str / 22 Dex / 22 Int / 164 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 129% / 193% / 163% / 79% / 99% / 94% / 96%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 1,165
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (247)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 54% (3,606)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 31%

Used skills:

Tempest Strike / Maelstrom / Warcry / Summon Spriggan / Summon Thorn Totem

[neon steppe]

any thoughts on this? shaman tsunami

the mana regen is nuts

worried about it just doing ok damage tho

[viral valve]

why not pick tornado and gathering storm instead of spriggan and thorn?

[neon steppe]

thorn is just for armor shred, sprig is for crit avoid, base crit, tons of dodge rating, flat spell

[sly bobcat]

aight maybe it's time to go back to primalist meme builds

[neon steppe]

id prob put points into more dodge rating per maelstrom if the hits from idols are enough

[winged swallow]

well well well. Not bad for my first 2LP corrupt

[mossy coral]

Better than a brick

[winged swallow]

Now I need a good exalted axe to scale with it

haven't found one yet

[patent dock]

First attempt at new pinnacle, I got it to like 2% health and then it 1-shot me lol

[sly bobcat]

F

proc'd attaching tornados can still stack right? it's just the manually cast ones that are limited to 1?

[patent dock]

No variation of tornado is limited quantity (there is that one node that disables the doublecast that is often misread as that though)

[sly bobcat]

ooooh

yeah the tooltip says "Cannot cast additional tornadoes" but above it's "Cannot cast additional tornadoes at once"

[patent dock]

Reading it again, it is a pretty poorly worded node lol

[sly bobcat]

i need a 5th skill for my wind tempest build

TS, Maelstrom, Nado, Warcry

[patent dock]

Loss of phys spell DOT aftershocks hurts that setup for sure

[sly bobcat]

yeah

[patent dock]

I guess GS is always an option with tornado, or avalanche, though neither is wind or DOT lol

[sly bobcat]

fissure boulders it is

that spell is pretty bad

[oak orchid]

Can always grab summon spriggan, great buffs

[patent dock]

Fun random thing, the boulder idols are ancient tech or something - they don't actually function on melee attack or spell cast like they say

[sly bobcat]

true, spriggan would be pretty nice

[patent dock]

They go off skills used with a spell or melee tag, so stuff like TS can trigger both idols

[oak orchid]

I made a channel tornado build, and man is it tanky

Stacking attunement, with the buffed primordial staff. Tons of mana 3.6k life, max endurance when channeling. Tons of DR.

[sly bobcat]

tfw 48 mana regen

[sly bobcat]

aight time to farm for some stupid stuff

[karmic bison]

time to go farm farm farm!

[limpid veldt]

we have shaman totem vs uber actually https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1rwej3j/uber_aberroth_kill_by_chaman_totem_in_season_3/

[radiant matrix]

suggest a good pet totem? Not frogs or birbs tho. Was into the cat and stuff

[wise leaf]

man

i'm still annoyed that my build has gotten absolute jack from corruptions

[near leaf]

Vinebear + Totem with Laup

[raven sluice]

I'm playing avalanche/tsunami. My takeaway on this is: Tsunami might actually be good here cuz you got so much cast speed, plus spriggan base crit is sorely needed. But your spriggan seems giga squishy, and you'll be losing 32.8% of life every cast with no regen and casting 4.2 times per second. Might be other things you can do, like channelled avalanche with avalanche/EQ loop, or maybe reducing mana cost of maelstrom with -5 mana cost staff and foot of the mountain. If you're not LL, you might wanna consider the nodes that make maelstroms heal, both for you and spriggan. It looks cool though. I like the unique idol, I had forgotten about that one and should probably get it

Also maybe butchers crown if just channelling avalanche to start a loop between EQ and Avalanche where you expend storm stacks for maelstroms + use maelstrom on hit/kill. Might also want lagon maelstrom ammy but that's just like 7% more stacks so maybe not

But looking at this, I'm thinking use reduced mana cost instead of apathy

[high stratus]

Isn't there a sceptre base with - mana cost and sceptres can also roll -mana cost + spell damage affixes?

Not that it'll help that much with EQ loop, snowcrash is a consume not a cost and eq costs so much that -5 or -8 matters little afaict

[wise leaf]

no

they only get the affix

[high stratus]

How does vinebear work? Are you triggering ER and leap slam and upheaval on maul?

[high stratus]

I think im thinking of firestarter's torch which can also roll the affix

Not that shaman has any good fire spells to use it on

[wise leaf]

ah yeah but that's only fire skills

[high stratus]

Maybe a fire tornado spam build

Just turn tornado to fire for the mana savings alone

[near leaf]

Yup

And totems

[high stratus]

Upheaval totems too?

[near leaf]

Well you can but imo thats a different build

[high stratus]

Doesn't seem like you need to spec leap slam at all for the build to work

[near leaf]

If you want vines, you have too

[high stratus]

Can get vines, thorn totems and upheaval totems all off maul

Doesn't entangling roots spawn vines and buff them?

Or is that too expensive pointswise

[near leaf]

Well, you spawn up to 5 seeds and you have to wait for a mobs to go near them to burst them and that spawn a vine

[polar vortex]

Everytime someone mentions "Entangling Roots" I'm thinking of that one time I tried to make the spell work as Poison Spriggan autocast. Tech was awesome. Damage was not.

[near leaf]

Or you specc Fury Leap, get 6 vines + Heal + cleanse + invul while Maul + frenzy for your minions

[high stratus]

So upheaval is unspecialised

I was thinking how giga thorn totems would be with the upheaval buff and the ER buffs

[near leaf]

Imo, if you go vines you go vines +'thorns no Upheaval

And go either spell Crit or Frostbite

Also you could go melee with Upheaval Totems consuming Thorns Totems

[high stratus]

Were bear, spriggan form, thorn totem, leap, ER.

It doesn't seem like it should work but I guess it does

What corruption are you at?

[near leaf]

I am not playing that

Father Toast is

[high stratus]

Ah, ok

[raven sluice]

EQ loop would just be to get some effectiveness while only channelling avg 2 big boulders per second

[near leaf]

But for vines + totems
Werebear, Spriggan, thorns, Leap, ER

[raven sluice]

But it's prolly better to use wand/staff/sceptre(with mod)

[high stratus]

How does vinebear stay alive? Just regen?

Spriggan form totems has healing totems to do the job

[near leaf]

@patent dock

If I had to guess, regen + healing from maul

[raven sluice]

What's vinebear?

Also, I just realised they compensated frostbite stormbolt for having no: attunement = 4% dmg with: attunement = a lot of pen

Tornado stormbolt does get both pen and flat though

But snowdrift...

[near leaf]

You are a Werebear and you spawn vines

[raven sluice]

Ah

[near leaf]

And now with the new relic you can easily add thorns totems in the mix

[tranquil lintel]

I swear all the herald of sccuries I find are allergic to LP

[high stratus]

with the strength of %inc elemental dot affixes it's even better

you're not really ever lacking for % inc on ele dot builds

I don't think frostbite stormbolts is likely to be good regardless tho

[near leaf]

It's decent as Swarmblade

Because you get another bunch of pen per att
And you can convert shock chance and psn chance to Frostbite

[wise leaf]

wow i just checked some math and ngl, imprinting uniques sucks for making money on mg

[mossy coral]

Yeah rarely drops now

[high stratus]

GS conversion already does shock chance from all sources to frostbite

[near leaf]

Yeah,
And Swarmblade adds Psn Chance to Frostbite

Global

[wind schooner]

Hi, could someone share an elementalist build for earthquakes and upheaval?

[near leaf]

Don't think anyone made one

[mossy coral]

Upheaval costs too much mana and so does EQ, they have synergy in the upheaval tree but not in practice

[patent dock]

Primarily ward gen from bones of the ancestral pack

[patent dock]

Yeah, these are the specs I've been running

[mossy coral]

There's GS with the new idol but I don't think it's that good in practice

[patent dock]

Been pretty easy sailing tbh

[mossy coral]

Pack is goated

I'm afraid they will nerf it soon, just because of primalist

[tranquil lintel]

I wish spirit wolves had the area tag

[mossy coral]

Same

[tranquil lintel]

my squirrel build is doing alot of damage but the clear just isnt there

[patent dock]

Hm, yeah, we need to find some way to get falconers using it so we can be safe

[tranquil lintel]

i used it on a silly unarmed falcon fist build last season

don't think that will catch on though, it was terrible

[tardy frost]

it's like the only class where it's usable, I wish I could equip pack profitably on my mage

[mossy coral]

I also don't think vessel of strife double(triple) nerf was deserved either, legit only primalist used it

[tardy frost]

nah it was used on a few mage builds too but it was always inferior

tbh the problem is the dumb solution

but they would rather nerf the rest of the game into the ground than admit the mistake and remove it

int got nerfed for it too

[mossy coral]

They nerfed it too much imo AND halved retention int gave, everyone ran cleaver. You could run something else, 25 int from smite belt was really okay but that belt also got nerfed with the ward retention nerf

[tardy frost]

let's make a new item, even CLEVERER solution

your max mana is now equal to your max health

see ima gaem developer

hire me

let's try something else too, the CLEVEREST solution

[mossy coral]

The -5int isn't a big deal but I found it hitting too hard for totems.

[tardy frost]

your movement speed is now equal to your health regen

[mossy coral]

brrrrrrr monolith done with my 5k health regen

I love how permanent bond still needs you to summon your extra wolf now and then

[tardy frost]

it also makes the rest of your wolves wonky af

[mossy coral]

how so

[tardy frost]

when I leveled with it my wolves randomly despanwed on passive allocation or zone change

[mossy coral]

Ah yeah that too

[near leaf]

Acolyte

[mossy coral]

Seen like 1 build which was using shattered lance set and t8 increased health regen, it couldn't use vessel

[near leaf]

With my 2k endurance threshold, maybe I should use a bone pack

[mossy coral]

And lance got nerfed

[near leaf]

That's would be funny

[high stratus]

in 1.2 Abom builds with full snapshotting were using vessel

[near leaf]

I don't understand this one tbh

[high stratus]

they'd swap into a full defensive regen boosting maxblock etc gearset

idk if any other acolytes were using it

[near leaf]

No one uses it
It requires so much work for 2k inc dmg

[high stratus]

2k inc damage isn't even that good

[near leaf]

I get it, scaling both sustain/Def and offense at the same time can lead to insane things

But....

[patent dock]

Lance got its ceiling raised, it's kinda like a buff

[mossy coral]

Lance wasn't op, without having t7 on every item, crafting set items, spending 30h just to gear okay it can give you decent enough increased damage but the progression is terrible. I really felt like I should've been MG because it was taking too long to even get a single upgrade

[high stratus]

it devalues/dilutes all your other sources of inc damage, maybe works out to double damage at best for huge investment in regen etc.

[mossy coral]

But now there's also even more crit multi than before, reaching 2k increased isn't cutting it anymore because it's just increased damage.

[high stratus]

large chunks of % inc are only great when they have low opportunity cost, like T7 ele dot on staves is like 750% inc for the cost of one slam

if you want to use vessel & lance u commit your primordial for legend's entwined and tons of suffixes

[mossy coral]

I vaguely remember they said something in the past that they worry health regen would be too strong, was maybe when they double nerfed vessel

[patent dock]

but they added % health regen as ward gen corrupt, clearly OP

[near leaf]

Meanwhile you build hp and a tiny bit of leech
You have more ehp and sustain

[high stratus]

% regen as ward gen is a strong stat, it's akin to getting more health and more health regen at the same time

[mossy coral]

Just need to hit that with your t7 health regen and increased health regen on your relic, super simple really

[patent dock]

Yeah, lance builds have always been squishy because they use suffixes for offense

Anyway, now that lance is weak, surely that means they can fix cold locust swarm?

[mossy coral]

They're gonna remove cold and add poison because you're a bug so it fits
And everyone knows they hit half poison half physical like irl

[patent dock]

I'll be okay with anything that makes locust swarm decent tbh

[near leaf]

Psn doesnt hit, its a rule

Psn only sucks

[limpid veldt]

me but for dot skeleton rogues

[patent dock]

If we got a 100% poison conversion for locust swarm it would be pretty cool

[high stratus]

they're afraid of giving you too much free penetration for hits from poison stacks I think.

Which is also why poison spell dot usually sucks

[limpid veldt]

someone needs to make the lethal spear works for scopion

[patent dock]

Those are decent already tbh, or well maybe would be if we knew how IO works

[high stratus]

they were good before IO got reworked

[limpid veldt]

we need to wait for EHG to fix the bugs first

which might not even happen in this season

[high stratus]

they might be trash now even after IO gets whatever fix it's going to get in 1.8

[limpid veldt]

because there are severals hotfixes already

[patent dock]

They'll probably fix IO long before locust swarm

[limpid veldt]

and it is still not fixed

[near leaf]

IO?

[limpid veldt]

individual operator

the node in rogues

currently that node does not give any skeletal rogues more dmg

[patent dock]

Both of locust swarm's conversions have been broken for literal years, IO rework is like a couple weeks old lol

[near leaf]

Ah dirty Acolyte talk in my primalist channel

[limpid veldt]

while the whole skeletal rogue rework for this season lies in that single node

[mossy coral]

We love death

We use death's rattle therefor we can speak about acolyte

[high stratus]

it does give more damage, but it's not more damage per warrior/archer as it claims to be

[limpid veldt]

yes that's what I mean

[high stratus]

at least that's what zekar said, more damage than without taking it but not varying with the number of skellies

[limpid veldt]

tbh I don't know why this game has so many MAJOR bugs

I only seen games with bad class/character/faction, etc balancing so far

where is the bug tester team?

[patent dock]

I've seen worse, but yeah bugs are a major issue for LE

[mossy coral]

Smh curses

[high stratus]

I think they're kind of ambitious in the kinds of synergies they want to enable and in considerable technical debt.

They're building their castle on a foundation of spaghetti from the early days

[tardy frost]

one is on primalist and the other is not, that's all you need to know about it

[tranquil lintel]

does ice bite affect the attack speed of squirrels/wolves in any way?

[patent dock]

Ice bite is about 25% slower than the default attack

[tranquil lintel]

thankyou

[mossy coral]

It has however 200 ADE, and well cold dmg xD

[mossy coral]

Spirit wolves seems to lower the cooldown of it btw, counts as an basic attack from them

[tranquil lintel]

I'm doing a bleed build so im assuming I'd skip it to just get more bleed stacks, but it does mean I could use apogee as an option

[winged swallow]

yes]

you never want to lower attack speed if bleed or poison is your goal. the more applications the better

there has to be a insane trade off for you to take something over just more applications. like 400% physical damg over 30% attack speed. I'd take the physical damg in that scenario

[mossy coral]

I wish ice bite had radius like it says it should

[patent dock]

Right, since the attack's extra damage is just from having higher damage effectiveness, bleeds it applies will be the same as default attack bleeds.
You can get the cold tag for apogee's extra levels by just having 1 point in the flat cold damage, no need for ice bite. The rest of apogee is pretty useless for you unless you can proc frozen vengeance.

[mossy coral]

24% more dmg on the flat 2 cold damage it does

[tranquil lintel]

I didnt realise just the 1 point worked, thats weird but nice to have the option

[high stratus]

doesn't Apogee's more damage apply to ailments?

I can't say I remember how apogee is worded

[mossy coral]

No idea, I don't do ailments

[near leaf]

There are 2 more dmg on Apogee

1 more cold necro dmg
1 more dmg to chilled enemies

[mossy coral]

Wow warcry is weird, got no CDR, I hit 1 enemy and it has like a 9 second cooldown instead of 18. Don't have a single point in it

[near leaf]

Weird should only be 20%

[mossy coral]

after I hit an enemy

[tranquil lintel]

how would you get the frozen vengeance stacks?

[mossy coral]

That's the fun part, you don't

[high stratus]

bee idol

[near leaf]

Bee idol or bee corrupt idol

Fury leap +'vines

[high stratus]

even like 2 bees per 10s should let you keep it up

[mossy coral]

They might not die instantly but eventually they will die

[tranquil lintel]

ive never tried bee's so i wasnt sure how easily they die

[high stratus]

totem idol with unspec thorn totems (summon limit 2) if you're spamming swipe it'll get you a stack 3s into a fight probably

[mossy coral]

You used to use zombie ring before or totem death? Not 100% sure if totem death counted

[high stratus]

zombie ring doesn't work for primalist afaik, it won't summon the first zombie

[mossy coral]

It did before

[high stratus]

and the belt affix doesn't exist anymore

[mossy coral]

With zombie belt

That's why I said you used to

[high stratus]

I just had an idea

[mossy coral]

I know that totem death by upheaval doesn't proc it

[high stratus]

ah nvm

the numbers are too low

[mossy coral]

Was that your idea? xD

I don't like frozen vengance part, it doesn't really make sense for the item

[high stratus]

Cycle of Putrescence has "+(18 to 27) Poison Damage for your Minions' Damage Over Time Spells", which I thought had higher flat damage numbers, I was thinking poison scaling scorpion spellDOT aftershocks with it

the affix may not even work for that because EQ wouldn't have the minion tag

scorp obviously has amazing poison damage scaling

[mossy coral]

Wish that ring was actually good but it pretty much sucks, only purpose is to revive your zombies. Same thing with Tongue rings, they're terrible rings

[winged swallow]

yeah all the high LP rate items pretty much only exist to make "super stat-sticks" as they can get 3LP or even 4LP super easily

there gimmicks usually just suck

[high stratus]

say that to my firestarter's torch's face and not online tough guy

[mossy coral]

There's builds that use it, or used to at least

[high stratus]

I think it's BIS for fire smite fissure (which is not a good build)

[mossy coral]

Fire poison flask no?

[high stratus]

I haven't touched rogue with a six foot pole in my time in LE

no idea

all I know is that whatever flavour of the patch rogue build gets nerfed, ballista falconer survives

[mossy coral]

I would've played it and loved it if the "Fan" actually threw them in a fan rather than up in the air so you would have to aim the tiny AoE they do

[winged swallow]

Finally got some physical damg%. My storm bolts are now hitting for 10k-30k each and my aftershocks are ticking for 340k

Finally my rock chainsaw now packs some punch

way better then the 500 damg by storm bolts were doing yesterday while at 300c. made some fights slow

[high stratus]

why phys over lightning btw? you get shock as an additional scalar and lightning spell aftershocks to go with it

[winged swallow]

Because it looks cooler

the new visual effect on physical GS is awesome

also I get aspect of the boar bleed bonuses while applying like 5k+ stacks of bleed

nearly 200% physical pent on bleeds is nice

[tranquil lintel]

do you have a planner?

[patent dock]

Yes, but the baseline more is only for cold/necrotic damage, just the frozen vengeance buff is all damage (both vs. chilled enemies only)

[patent dock]

It should work fine, tags don't really matter, just that it's scaling with the minion's stats

[patent dock]

Ye, I've tried flasks a few times, always feel bad to play for me

[mossy coral]

Yep, wish it wasn't. Feels x100 times better with throwing traps but I don't like traps, they deal more damage themselves than the flask, defeats the purpose of it. (And might not work now with all the mana changes and nerfs)

[winged swallow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BxvqYE6Z

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (67)

General:

▸ Health: 6,828, Regen: 751.14/s
▸ Mana: 354.51, Regen: 23.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 23/s
▸ Attributes: 104 Str / 41 Dex / 41 Int / 93 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 103% / 111% / 102% / 107% / 118% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,418
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (223)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 77% (9,612)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Warcry / Earthquake / Fury Leap / Maelstrom

[winged swallow]

whoops forgot to update my whetstone gavel for DoT's

yeah the corruption will be DoT + AoE

not the melee damg one

[sly bobcat]

you know I thought i had a jungle queen

my 2LP is on legacy not season

F

[mossy coral]

Legacy > season

[winged swallow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AKg8Knw3

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (67)

General:

▸ Health: 6,828, Regen: 751.14/s
▸ Mana: 354.51, Regen: 23.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 23/s
▸ Attributes: 104 Str / 41 Dex / 41 Int / 93 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 111% / 103% / 111% / 102% / 107% / 118% / 92%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,418
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (223)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 77% (9,612)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Warcry / Earthquake / Fury Leap / Maelstrom

[winged swallow]

there we go. fixed it

switched over to a DoT focus and the corruption gives so much extra AoE that shotgunning storm bolts and aftershocks becomes way more consistent

[patent dock]

More consistent game crashing?

[mossy coral]

that's a lot of T7s

[neon steppe]

@near leaf do the fury leap boots apply cdr to maul?

[patent dock]

Yes, if you have the fury leap tree applies to maul node specced in werebear

[winged swallow]

Absolutely. 😄

[neon steppe]

guessing the shatter totem subskill scales with flat damage to minions and not to yourself

doesnt explicity say anywhere

[sly bobcat]

I've got some wing guards on legacy that I need too lel

T7 AS and T5 hybrid health

[mossy coral]

shatter totem is your spell damage, if upheaval is a totem its minion spell damage

[patent dock]

It scales with the spell damage of whoever used the upheaval

[mossy coral]

You know what you have to do.

[sly bobcat]

correct, continue grinding belt prophecies so that my scavenger collection can grow

i like getting a perfect roll with a perfect T7 potion find on it for lazy leveling

bonus points if you level self-cast acid flask with elecoe's. everything you kill drops like a billion potions

[mossy coral]

I wonder if t7 jormun belt applies to that

[sly bobcat]

well you can't put a set affix on a unique

so that's pretty easy to test

[mossy coral]

Was thinking in general because that body uses potions

[tranquil lintel]

the clear on squirrels is driving me mad. Its just so slow but the boss damage is nice

[mossy coral]

And there's find potions elsewhere

[sly bobcat]

OOOH you mean T7 with elecoes

[mossy coral]

Yeah

[sly bobcat]

probably not. You're not actually using the potion

it doesn't trigger the minion or freeze belt affixes

[mossy coral]

I don't get the point of that unique, you have no potions and the dmg is so inconsistent

It gives me the same vibes as 20 zombies, tp in and they all explode to 1 shot abberoth

[tranquil lintel]

it would help if the pickup radius on potions wasnt tiny

[mossy coral]

You go in with like 20 potions, spam flask or traps I guess and it 1 shot the boss

If acid flask even does enough damage

[crude breach]

does this have cap on damage? could be funny with bleed bees and locusts

[tranquil lintel]

it has a crazy pen node on the tree that scales with uncapped res

[tranquil lintel]

it doesnt have a cap but its pretty awkward to play around. I tried making a build with it the other day and gave up

[crude breach]

with enough bees I can stack like 1000 bleeds...

[sly bobcat]

doesn't even work with explosive trap sprinkler. not that you'd even play that anymore with it being nerfed by like 90%

it only works on self-cast flasks. your falcon can trigger it for you since the flasks it throws are technically your flasks

it also doesn't boost the whole flask cast which is stupid. it throws a single bonus damage flask

[mossy coral]

lmaooo

No fun allowed

I once wanted to do ballistas to give potions, then acid flask with that body armor BUT ofc people had to abuse the potions so that node is completely useless.

[tranquil lintel]

god thats bad, its on such a nice item aswell. It would be great if it was actually worth using for its unique effect

[sly bobcat]

it really should boost the whole cast since it's limited to self-cast

flask also just needs a massive buff to the non-hit nodes. it's at the core a DoT skill but it can't do any damage from DoTs

[tranquil lintel]

i want cold acid flask to be a thing

[sly bobcat]

it just occured to me that if I use apathy to handle mana on my xylem build I'll be losing 20% of my max HP every action