🐺┃primalist

[lavish scaffold]

storm bolt

[mossy coral]

Yeah ancestral pack is goated, needed for totem builds tbh. I'd say a lot of minion builds even

[lavish scaffold]

I got one 7 bees per 10 idol, + all the totems + the sprites from Tempest Maw, so I get a ton of Ward

[pastel pumice]

Thank you

[lavish scaffold]

also make sure you take Excited Bolts in the Gather Storm tree

[mossy coral]

Lmao, so you're a storm totem build

[mellow kestrel]

Bones primordial is so much ward !!!

[pastel pumice]

Gotcha. Let me look at my setup. I literraly ran my first monolith today. Just finished the campaign

regular game wise

[lavish scaffold]

Ya, but the Thorn Totems do some work. I am playing the Lazy version with Ravagers to Proc the Storm totem most of the time

[subtle lodge]

It's nice if you're pushing really high corruptions when survivability is more about not taking damage

In SC ofc

[pastel pumice]

Damn, I didnt build that way at all. I will need to respec some points

[mellow kestrel]

You have planner ?

[lavish scaffold]

ya one sec let me finish this mono

[mellow kestrel]

Dope

[void dirge]

anyone else still playing frog or everyone stopped once idol was fixed?

[lavish scaffold]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Zenji/character/LaupLeaps

cruising at 500c no problems

ignore some of the odd affixes like bleed on Tempest Maw
I just yolo corrupted stuff and stuck with it for now

[mellow kestrel]

Sweet thx. And ya haha I understand

Yours is much different from what I’ve seen especially passives. Nice

[pastel pumice]

So on monoliths, do I want to push to 100 prior to adding corruption?

[patent dock]

As in the level 100 zones or character level 100? Level 100 zones yes for sure, character level doesn't matter

[pastel pumice]

Ah, I had meant char level. But if thats not a goal then all good. So I need to get to the end of the monoliths then add corruption?

Well the zone 100 monoliths

I have a ways to go

[void dirge]

you need to like finish 5 monolith in first area then 1 in the next area then you unlock empower monolot for all of them which start at 100 corruption and you can push up from there.

[mellow kestrel]

At a certain point you beat the normal monoliths doing the quests , then you unlock the ability to make any timeline empowered

[patent dock]

Yes, exactly, and those you unlock as soon as you beat one of the level 90 timeline bosses

[pastel pumice]

So should I be using these keys to do dungeon runs or stay with monoliths? If the monoliths are the keys worth doing at a later time?

[patent dock]

The keys are mostly used for their specific rewards, sanctum lets you craft legendary items with legendary potential, arbor has a gold sink that is super niche, and all three has some exclusive uniques

staying with monolith never hurts, sanctum is probably the one I run more often than any other just for the legendary crafting

[pastel pumice]

Gotcha. thank you all for the help

[patent dock]

Any time

[void dirge]

farming t4 sanctum fro vessal was kinda tiling on my build at the time coz i needed vessal for tankiness and i need that tankiness for the boss lolol

[patent dock]

Yeah, it's nice that most of the dungeon uniques are not truly dungeon-exclusive anymore, that one Weaver tree node does wonders

[viscid ingot]

question for the primal fans howl of the west wind it said retal with a lightning strike is that a random lightning strike or does it do off like gathering storm or something

[patent dock]

It causes the hit wolf to proc storm bolt, which scales with the wolf's stats and your gathering storm skill tree

(chance to proc stacks additively with the lightning retaliation in wolf's own skill tree)

Hmm interesting

60% inc suffixes, I wonder how much boar aspect I can get with that lol

[mellow kestrel]

Sheesh using that with the idol primordial 🤯

[sly python]

I was looking at doing something with storm bolts and man there really isnt a way to generate these things

[crude cosmos]

If I corrupt a set item does it always change to a different base with different affixes plus the set affix?

[wise leaf]

yes

[rare scarab]

anyone here playing nado bear high corr?

[limpid veldt]

hmm

the damage of crow increases a lot by dual wielding instead of shield

[patent dock]

Tornado is very good at it

[sly python]

Not bolts but generating storm stacks

[patent dock]

Oh, for storm stacks the best generator is avalanche boulders

[sly python]

do what now?

[patent dock]

this one

45% chance doesn't seem like a lot, but you can generate a LOT of boulders

[sly python]

Ive never seen that somehow

But Im trying to do some nonsense with that new relic

[patent dock]

avalanche can also proc upheaval, conveniently

[sly python]

So avalanche triggers upheaval which procs EQ, what a world

[wise leaf]

no +1 omen idol capacity is a bit rough tho

is mine 😛

[patent dock]

Yeah, quite nice like that

Though only 2 refracted slots

[wise leaf]

you can fit a lot in it tho so it's not too bad

currently have 3 adorned 2 grand omen in mine

[near leaf]

I got this one

It's pretty sweet

Allows me to crit avoid cap in 2 idols

[wise leaf]

noice

[ornate scroll]

That looks pretty fun

[wise leaf]

okay

well shit

i'm so annoyed

that i didn't realise this quicker

conditional damage boosts based on enemy conditions typically only apply to hits from minions

GUESS WHAT

so all this time

this has done sweet screw all for scorp

[near leaf]

😂

[lofty rover]

Gotta love the spagueti code of ehg,gotta wait until they get the supermassive treatment in black hole

Vengeance ,abyssal echoes same thing 🤦

[wise mica]

last season i found a scorpion poison leveling build guide somewhere, but i cant find it anywhere now. Anyone know of that guide? unsure if it was on le tools or some other site.

[wise leaf]

phew

okay tested

and it works

[near leaf]

Was probably Cookbook's on Letools

[near leaf]

Aspect of the spider with psn?

[wise leaf]

yeah

[near leaf]

Now I am super confused on how those more dmg works 😅

[wise leaf]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/totemless-poison-nova-scorpion-beastmaster

[unkempt thistle]

Totemless Poison Nova Scorpion Beastmaster Build Guide

Game Version

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class

Primalist / Beastmaster

Used skills

• Swipe
• Summon Scorpion
• Warcry
• Eterra's Blessing
• Fury Leap

Used unique items

None

Tags

Boss Killer / Monolith Farmer / Season Starter / SSF / Melee / Minions / DoT

Created by CookBook · May 26, 2023, 9:42 AM

[wise mica]

ty ty

its a really well done guide, bookmarked it now

[wise leaf]

thanks!

i did just update it for season 4

this weekend

and despite my doom and gloom about me thinking it would be nigh unpilot in omen windows before the swipe bug was fixed

it actually deals with them really well

the poison puddles an projectile spray really just kills most of the stuff as it's spawning

[wise leaf]

yeah like

i have no idea

if previously that was the case

for like, envenomed prey

did they specifically fix aspect of the spider?

or did it always work for whatever reason?

is it because it's a buff applied to your minion and not something from skill tree?

[near leaf]

Did they not claim envenomed prey was never working for psn?

[wise leaf]

correct

[wise leaf]

I just mean if previously conditionals as a rule didn't work for minion DoT

[void dirge]

i really hope they rework primalist lvling phase that was some pure suffering to lvl up

[wise leaf]

Or DoT in general afaik?

[crude breach]

got beasts?

[drifting temple]

how is cold spriggan these days?

[near leaf]

Form or summon?

[tardy frost]

its a fine one button build, very lazy

camp spriggan form, press right mouse button, that's the gameplay

[near leaf]

The Frostbite version seems solid
Not sure about crit

[drifting temple]

cool, liked the crit version few seasons ago

[tardy frost]

I tried it this season, got a bit too boring for me

but got 300c and the harbs stamped out with barely any gear

[drifting temple]

great, just what i need 🙂

[raven sluice]

would this count as having any decent gear btw? https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Vinchova/character/ShamanTsunamiYoloVin

I am not struggling, but it's sometimes annoying how long a boss takes

in like 150c

it felt like Omen Champions final echo took 10-20 minutes

and that was prolly even 100c

[tardy frost]

dude wtf am I looking at here

[raven sluice]

xD

LL avalanche

[tardy frost]

no no I get what it is, what I don't get is why it is

[raven sluice]

mana cost unsustainable so I do apathy

[half gulch]

I was taking armor shred on summon thorn totems for my spriggan bee build. If the vast majority of my damage is coming from DoT, armor shred is kinda pointless for 7 points though isn't it? With thorn totem being a minion, might be better to just add more damage to the totems, since they will be affected by all the bleed chance?

[wise leaf]

correct

[raven sluice]

for the record, the echo that took forever was more difficult cuz I assumed you cant stun immortal mobs

does Rockfall in Avlanche tree convert all Freeze Rate Multiplier to Stun Chance or just the freeze chance on the tree?

[near leaf]

What's the wording

[wise leaf]

._.

seems pretty straightforward to me

[raven sluice]

just from tree then, it's just the text below that makes it ambiguous, but maybe that is just some summary of little importance

[wise leaf]

time to see what T3 omen echo chains are like

[tardy frost]

patch 0.8 flashbacks

[tardy frost]

damn man why didnt nobody tell me before, the clear is absurd on saber (for a single minion build)

screen wide upheavals everywhere

[raven sluice]

Yup

Saber deals decent dmg (or better, idk), is fast as hell, and triggers on triggers

I tried to figure out which could trigger which between shockwave, upheaval, flurry swipes

Seemed to me that shockwave might trigger flurry, and flurry trigger upheaval, which almost automatically gives shockwaves?

Prolly capped at 1 trigger per skill "use", but upheaval can trigger so many shockwaves, they just can't tag multiple targets and you can then get multiple more triggers

1 per shockwave

[tardy frost]

yea I'm pretty sure that either upheaval can trigger itself or its shockwaves

getting too many chain upheavals

[raven sluice]

Ye

It's great either way

Flurry swipes is the dmg, but cascading triggers help clear a lot

Do you use single target EB/FT spam for refreshing flurry? Also, crit or bleed?

Bleed on saber is giga focused on flurry

Crit idr, more of a mix prolly

Just a shame ancestral sabers are so terrible

Also, shame they nerfed aspects hitting boar and stuff

[deft kiln]

Is there any melee build that doesn’t feel like melee

Apart from crows

Yeah, primalist nerf but rogue buffs

[raven sluice]

Earthquake? Upheaval? Idk if either are good

[deft kiln]

ITS ALWAYS ROGUE GETTING BUFFED

why they love their rogue so much

[mossy coral]

Ancestrals are garbage, the only more multipliers they get is 60%, might not even get the 85% + 75% in passive tree

[tardy frost]

using the totem so far but my char is too low level now to meaningfully discuss builds, just going through a few normal monos. I plan on swapping out of totem into boots and maelstrom cause I plan to use ancestral pack and will be short on minion flat otherwise

[tardy frost]

rogue buffs will not stop until dps reaches 1 bil

meanwhile better nerf aspect of the boar again

[mossy coral]

Viper nerf wasn't deserved either

With the attack speed

[austere drum]

What attribute improves totem the most? Its so hard to see

Or to know

Is it minion damage or minion physical?

[mossy coral]

Both gives the same amount of stats, you usually just use minion damage
If they hit physical, Thorn totems/Upheaval totems by default. Minion physical also gives them damage

[left cliff]

Is there any way to summon Scorpions to your Companion Limit? Or more than one?

[near leaf]

No

[fiery rivet]

what non minion builds are good for primalist rn

[near leaf]

Primalist or BM?
Because there are a few good drood builds

[fiery rivet]

any acendency irc

[near leaf]

Tornado Werebear is still strong

I play shatter Totem, it's pretty good

Spriggan Form Frostbite

[fiery rivet]

i had seen the tornado shaman but it looked kinda slow and clunky

and the upheval build but couldnt find gameplay and didnt want to get baited

im just starting so im leveling with explodey totems rn

[near leaf]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BxvqJ8DR

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (5) / Druid (67)

General:

▸ Health: 4,829, Regen: 1,573.44/s
▸ Mana: 388.21, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 412%, Regen: 71/s
▸ Attributes: 206 Str / 25 Dex / 206 Int / 64 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 62% / 86% / 110% / 98% / 95% / 61% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 2,226
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (171)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 80% (13,752)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 123%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Fury Leap / Summon Thorn Totem / Upheaval / Swipe

[near leaf]

I can find you some footage from 2 leagues ago

[fiery rivet]

the self cast one?

ik there was a totem one at some poin t

[near leaf]

No, Shatter Totem

You maul, that proccs totems and Upheaval at the same time and that explode them

On bosses you swipe once in a while to get some buffs and boom boom

[fiery rivet]

sure ill take a look

[near leaf]

https://youtu.be/CL9ZdJDg5Qg?si=pTS6ZKgjWlbCD4Fm

It's even smoother now, with the new relic

[fiery rivet]

what new relic

[near leaf]

Proccing totems is better

Laup Path

You got 6 explosions

[junior forum]

hi guys, are squirrel build still a thing ??? i can't found any recent build guide

[neon steppe]

Is there anyway to get cold res shred for minions as primalist?

[patent dock]

Stuff that applies globally typically works for everything, the conditional damage not passing down only applies to things that affect a particular skill or skill usage

[patent dock]

No, cold res shred is pretty rare. You (not your minions) can apply it with the blessing or cold entangling roots
https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/cold_res_shred/sources

[tardy frost]

pro tip, presence or absence of build guides depends more on hype and newness than on the builds' actual capabilities, although squirrels aren't a busted build by any stretch of imagination

[junior forum]

yeah but they are so cute tho

[tardy frost]

idk I'd take a good ole cat or dog over a rabid squirrel on me th any day of the week

have they even given them actual squirrel models?

[near leaf]

Wdym? They have been looking like squirrels for years

[mossy coral]

They even have skins

[junior forum]

yes ! skins even

[near leaf]

And yes, Vorpall squirrels are good. I would say 800c, maybe uber viable

I would recommend doing 4 solo squirrels

[junior forum]

i'm just tired of being a meta slave, i just want to retire with my squirels and farm 500cc while listening to linkin park

[near leaf]

That makes them way tankier

And you barely loose any dmg

[junior forum]

nice nice

[near leaf]

I played them bleed last season and was doing 500c super duper easy

I think crit can be really good too

Probably better

[junior forum]

ok thx

[tardy frost]

last time I played it they had the skullen models which I can only describe as vaguely squirrel like abominations

[lavish scaffold]

the old squirrels were spooky

[unreal field]

Does anyone know how this is working?

[raven sluice]

Bleed quad squirrel sounds so weird. But I'm intrigued

Doesn't hurt that scurry gives so much life it's a valid option without being a minion build

Plus phys res shred and bleed chance and 3 wolf lvls. Basically, if bleed wolf is viable then scurry is a giga strong item, if bleed wolf can fit it

I just didn't know bleed wolf was doable

Do you actually get 4 solo squirrels now? Bugfixed?

[raven sluice]

Afaik tempest weapon only cares about what's on your actual axe/mace. Conditional by my reading shouldn't fit that, even if the conditional effect was applied to your character from an axe/mace

But I don't actually know

[patent dock]

When in the world was this, CT? The helm released with squirrel models

[tardy frost]

a few years ago to be sure

[crude breach]

frenzy corrupted mod can appear only on relics?

[mossy coral]

Yeah I think so

[crude breach]

my plan crumbled to specs of dust, gonna buy lottery tickets

[mossy coral]

Gl 🙏

[near leaf]

It's so much nicer for bleed

It reduces the ramp up dmg time and makes it so much smoother

[raw elm]

hey, I just want to say thank you really really thank you, this is my first build that I theory craft on my own without whatching any video or copy someone else and it's the first self-made build I every done in every ARPG genre I've played. My goal is just kill Normal Abberoth with this random build and It just killed him. I couldn't achieve without you guy's advice. thank you so much wish you guys a good life
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qb67L2ZD

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (15) / Druid (63)

General:

▸ Health: 3,841, Regen: 53.05/s
▸ Mana: 1,097.4, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 21/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 93 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 49% / 74% / 64% / 79% / 79% / 81% / 77%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 1,213
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (49)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,017)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 56%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Maelstrom / Warcry / Gathering Storm / Tornado

[mortal elbow]

lul i have never seen a more maxed item droped

[karmic bison]

I need this 🙂

[mortal elbow]

what for ?

[karmic bison]

my scorpion bm build

[mortal elbow]

sounds nice

[tardy frost]

damn I don't think that bones of the ancestral pack is too good on saber, even with ghost sabers I get less stacks than back on spriggan with the spriggan pet and totems

might have to pivot into I don't even know what, trex?

and stat stacking?

double red rings and shit?

[mossy coral]

Only saber can stack it, not the ancestrals

[tardy frost]

the problem is maximizing the proc rate

and any minion should do for that

[near leaf]

T-rex or Nest

[mossy coral]

Thorn totems?

[tardy frost]

sure

but I don't want to have thorns in a build with inheritance

for obvious reasons

[mossy coral]

Maybe maxing attack speed and flurry swipes

[tardy frost]

nest is only as good as my idols and my idols are turbo shit so far

I'm most of the way there except for attack speed idols

and if I'm stacked on those I could just use nest

[mossy coral]

Vines are also an option

Bees, you name it

[tardy frost]

yes but those are all potential inheritance targets which isn't good

[mossy coral]

True

Maybe suck it up and use death rattle with thorn totems or something

[tardy frost]

yeah but that sounds like a big dps downgrade on paper

[mossy coral]

Can't deal damage if you're dead

[junior forum]

Do any of you have a bleed squirell build that is updated ? if not, any idea on what altar i could take ?

[neon seal]

its good?

[near leaf]

It's a nice start to play companion builds

[neon seal]

Is there a build that uses a companion with a werebear?

[near leaf]

Not really

But the +2 max companion is nice for crows

[raven sluice]

Legends Entwined are nice on shit gear. At least on saber bleed

[neon seal]

yeah, i want change my anurok helmet for something like this

[raven sluice]

But then you wear exalted rares with a reforge mod in almost every slot

Last bear is nice though, sinathia is free, corsair shield kinda free

And sinathia is a ton of minion lvls

[neon seal]

my anurok is good, but t7 minion damage with companion is better

[raven sluice]

But idk, might not work with hit

Since maces dont get hit mods for minions

Otherwise, the str skills shield always looked nice for saber

Or xylum possibly

Maybe for cold/necrotic saber, apogee + sinathia shield (reforged that is) + legends entwined + last bear (reforged) + yulia boots + pale ox (as per usual)?

Idk

[tardy frost]

I'm on the cold saber plan, not sure if it does anything there

[arctic blaze]

For the Anurok build, does it matter which minion damage I put on my weapon? Or is minion melee+spell damage superior to spell+bow damage?

[raven sluice]

It's mainly just skill lvls on a ring + enabling last bear and sinathia set bonuses (last bear glove and helm are strong reforged mods in any case + set bonuses for it are great, and sinathia set bonus is very nice too), plus all attri are very nice on saber cuz it can scale with 3 attributes. But it might likely not be worth it

Also, rare ring with sealed t1 ferebor becomes +1 all skills, +2 to frenzy totem, res, 60% dmg from attributes etc

[near leaf]

They do melee dmg only so.... '😁

[tardy frost]

I always wanted to like that shield but any offhand competes with a second apogee in that build and the shield seems to be completely unviable dps wise there

at least if we imagine that the bones maintain uptime on 5 stacks it's not a catastrophic DPS loss

[raven sluice]

Yeah, for hit saber it might not work at all

On bleed, you're free to reforged sinathia mace main hand and reforged corsair shield off hand

If you want over dual naals or something

[tardy frost]

wait a sec why would I reforge sinathia on a bleed companion build? Isnt the reforged affix flat curse damage? Which also seems to be bugged according to some?

[raven sluice]

The set bonus is minion lvls

And the bonuses from the ring get +1 skills, +5 attri, some all res

You easily get like lvl 30 saber on bad gear (might not beat LP2 in every slot, but I didn't play it that long)

Legends Reforged is literally just grabbing sets for the ring, except for Last Bear (reforged only tho) that's got great bonuses all around

Plus some other sets

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I wouldn't recommend using actual set items. You use rares that satisfy ring requirements, often sealed t1. Except last bear glove that you prolly want t7

[tardy frost]

yeah right never got around to reading that set bonus

but I'm not sure if skill levels are an issue for me as weapons is 5-6 depending on configuration, pale ox is 2, rings is 4 if I opt out of red rings, and affix is another +4

at that point I'm running out of good nodes in the skill

[raven sluice]

Yeah, usually you don't really need 34+, in my experience nothing has a lot left at that point

[tardy frost]

also if I swap to reliquary nest I lose this which is a stealth 15% more damage

[raven sluice]

And you can trim most stuff to fit on 30 or even 25

[tardy frost]

and another skill level too

although the other rolls could be better here..

[raven sluice]

It's a neat one though. +4 saber on a random weaver item is huge

Especially CoF

[tardy frost]

eh its not too bad after I spent 300+ weaver relics trying to get a good +4 disintegrate roll back in patch 1.2

[raven sluice]

xD

[tardy frost]

or was it even 1.1

I don't remember

[raven sluice]

We're on 1.4 right? I started 2 seasons ago in Tombs of the Erased iirc

[tardy frost]

yea

[raven sluice]

But anyway, I like the ring. Last bear might be carrying it though, and possibly very hard to fit on anything at all. But it's easier to gear so decent starting out

I mean, it's just rares

[mossy coral]

The ring + weaver amulet is a really good combo for builds not using minions, the annoying part is getting a decent set item..

[raven sluice]

Except last bear glove for which you want to havoc into t7 eternal gauntlet with experimental mage affix for armor vs dot. But that one just needs a decent helm affix and woopwoop +30str

[raven sluice]

And even then I guess there's uberoth glove

[patent dock]

I've been slowly growing a collection of perfect rolled sets thanks to that corruption outcome lol

[mossy coral]

Mine are all terrible

[raven sluice]

Can a reforged set item corrupt into the actual set item?

Hitting a gucci last bear glove sounds like absolute hell to begin with. With them now being able to brick, it seems even more hellish

[mossy coral]

set items will be a normal glove with the set affix, get max/min rolled or break

[raven sluice]

Sad that set items can't get extra affixes

[mossy coral]

yeah no point in doing it for weaver amulet for example

[high stratus]

some affixes are written with the more desirable number as X in the (X-Y) range, do perfect rolled items give you the X or the Y value in that case? In particular the Lich's set gloves mana reduction is -(14-8) mana cost for each type of shade

[raven sluice]

Oh, that's also a rip

[tardy frost]

nah

[raven sluice]

Iirc, I corrupted an item into perfect implicit minus mana cost and got X in (X-Y)

But idr 100%

[patent dock]

I haven't hit one like this yet, so I'll see what happens when I get there

[candid topaz]

for the land before, what corrupt do I want on it?

do i want the minion crit multi or res?

[near leaf]

Does it still work when corrupted?

[candid topaz]

yeah but only one does

I want to do the 2 crit but like that doesn't seem to be alot

[near leaf]

If you 'need res then res, minion crit multi will definitely be more dmg

[candid topaz]

that or I could do the better frenzy or haste on myself

Luckly I just got better res so I guess I could grab the 2% crit for some extra dmg

[near leaf]

Haste is nice, ms always feels good

[candid topaz]

yeah, I ended up doing something dumb

[near leaf]

Do you need Frenzy?

[candid topaz]

I dont really need frenzy for I got totem and all the other stuff

I dont even attack

its all my frogs

[near leaf]

But Frenzy on you is useless, yeah

[near leaf]

Where is the corruption???

[candid topaz]

I am not ready to brick my boss killers xD

[near leaf]

You have too

[candid topaz]

Ok, let me brick something else first so I get it out of the way xD

I also got ele bees on a land before. I could count that as bricked right?

[mossy coral]

Can EHG just scrap the MS on boots already, having less than 60 is a real slog

[lofty rover]

Foot of the mountain need a buff they are so slow i cant use them no matter what

[mossy coral]

Even normal boots suck

18 movement speed if you're lucky, wow so good..

[lofty rover]

Builds should have a minimum of 80 ms anything below that feel awful specially when you go above ,and can have like 200 on other builds

Exalts cant be used because of this too low

[mossy coral]

If you're using 2 Naals, Pale you can get away with using whatever boots you want but that's about it

I don't like having -180 health, strength or whatever because I need 30 MS on them

[high stratus]

MS as a stat is always annoying in ARPGs tbh

[lofty rover]

Its qol at the end of the day more ms more farm better gear ,at least it used ro be like that

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's terrible design, it's not even a hard choice

Even more so because there's rings giving you -6, like the heck

And melee on enemies (especially noticable with omens or a giant small pack like spiders) making you have -100% MS because reasons

[high stratus]

imo roll the expected amount of MS for the avg build into the baseline and then attach movement speed buffs to skills & passives rather than affixes

[near leaf]

Hear me out
We start at 0ms, and get 0,5% per lvl

[mossy coral]

Like Haste should feel good, it doesn't

You mean like this?

[near leaf]

Oo

[mossy coral]

I'd like that idea, and them remove MS from the game

[near leaf]

Exactly

[mossy coral]

Haste would also feel WAAAAAY better

[near leaf]

Leave haste

Go boom

[mossy coral]

Evade giving you haste? Mmmm

Like a actual desirable affix

Increased haste effect? Now we're talking

Rogue already have it, but you know for other classes

This is the most hear me out build so far I think lmao

Look at that dodge 👀

[crude breach]

every dodge chance is 50:50...either you don't die or die 😛

[high stratus]

if you deal any dot damage you're not gonna be LL

[mossy coral]

Why not? You get 75% more for being LL

[mellow kestrel]

Seen on Reddit. Decent staff?

[candid topaz]

I think having a bade move speed for everyone and just making haste and some other stuff give more move speed sound good. I just hate knowing I need 7t ms before I think about anything else

[mossy coral]

I don't think it's worth having that weapon as a primordial

[candid topaz]

But my dmg feels great with the str and dex

Thus my bossing boots now

[high stratus]

Weaver's sword gives pretty good leech on DOT damage right?

[mossy coral]

Yeah it gives leech from DOT, thus using Zerricks to have 0 leech from DOT and it giving dodge as a bonus

Was either that or boulderfists but that didn't see good enough to use

[high stratus]

oh is that what those gloves do?

[mossy coral]

Yeah, it gives leech on crit. Can't make it into a normal item cause it removes the no leech from DOT

Can technically just use Xithara amulet but since weaver swords seems best for DOT might as well boost their affixes by 50%

[arctic glacier]

is there a good shaman leveling build? I found a natural wrath idol and been trying to make it work but doesn't seem like it's gonna be effective to use until much later.

[mellow kestrel]

Storm totem is ez pz

[arctic glacier]

you got a build for it?

[mellow kestrel]

Yaaaa

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxk07v8

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (25) / Shaman (68) / Druid (20)

General:

▸ Health: 2,302, Regen: 81.67/s
▸ Mana: 701.69, Regen: 30.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 76%, Regen: 101/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 12 Dex / 38 Int / 176 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 142% / 192% / 86% / 64% / 40% / 40%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 1,848
▸ Dodge Chance: 10% (319)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,350)

Used skills:

Summon Storm Totem / Summon Thorn Totem / Gathering Storm / Summon Spriggan / Upheaval

[arctic glacier]

ty

first season trying a primalist

[mellow kestrel]

Ignore all the gear lol. But that’s the idea

[stray gust]

what's the best minion build for pushing corruption right now? I'm at 500c with Frogs but it's so hard to find upgrades

[neon steppe]

I’m doing tsunami scorp and ngl it slaps

I think I could probably do 800-1000 but it’s new and I’m shit at min maxing

[arctic glacier]

can someone who is far more experienced in primalist tell me why some of the idols have "less frequency" of expending storm stacks, and others have *more frequency" of doing the same? What benefit is there to changing it one way or the other?

[winged swallow]

More frequency allows you to dump faster if your generation is super godly. Like Stormbreaker + GS. Less frequency allows you to carry storm stacks in-between packs (This is why I use it)

[candid topaz]

I did it for you

Time to move some idols around

[arctic glacier]

GS?

[candid topaz]

funny enough my old ones had the same corrupt on them

[winged swallow]

Gathering Storm

[arctic glacier]

ah right

[winged swallow]

Stormbreaker allows you to stack without GS. But if you use stormbreaker with GS and the helmet affix. You can get 3 stacks a swing

[polar vortex]

Has anyone tried a machine gun spriggan build? Or Cold DoT?

[arctic glacier]

I see, trying to understand primalist lol. I'm really hoping there's a noteworthy build thats possible later on with the Natural Wrath Idol

[unborn mural]

Is Earthquake Bear still a thing or it got nerfed?

[elfin plover]

what corruption you got up to? im playing frog but was thinking of changing since i got a ceiling i feel like

[rare scarab]

still a thing but i honestly dont know how that 1 guy playing it is keeping up his mana

no updated guides after the nerf

or any youtube at all on anyone playing it, so i can't see what they are doing rotationally to make it doable

low played season + low played class = 🙁

[winged swallow]

Bear's EQ's now cost your mana. So you aren't spamming one of the highest scaling and powerful moves in the game for free. So now you need a TON of mana regain/regen to make it good

Still very possible to do. But it's skill floor got raised massively. Likewise for Tornado Bear

[mossy coral]

Balanced dots

(Saber is just there for the 14 armor shreds it does in total lol)

[raven sluice]

I'm trying to think of the best boss to farm if I play avalanche but need skill lvls to go combined avalanche tsunami

I'm at 158 corruption with 6 gaze of orobyss on reign of dragons

[rare scarab]

what build?

[mossy coral]

Just aftershocks DoT BM

[candid topaz]

I am going slow but I am at 600 right now and it still feels the same as when I was in 100c They clap it is just watching out for me getting clapped xD

I can say I would probably be able to get to atleast 700-800 right now and if I can get a better chest probably to 1k

but I got lucky and kinda want to try bear again for this was the one thing I could never get

the t7 crit multi was a ghost

[meager swift]

How are lightning wolves in this season? I don't see anyone posting about playing it really.

[candid topaz]

everyone is too busy playing rogue and pally sadly 🙁

so I have yet to hear of them as well

[tranquil lintel]

Can you post your build? I'm also playing aftershock dots

[mossy coral]

Gear I want to use: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olV7PwaV

Gear I'm currently using, I'm doing 2m on dummy after a few seconds, more if they're high health ofc:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/catzy/character/Osamodas

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (72) / Shaman (16)

General:

▸ Health: 2,508, Regen: 54.6/s
▸ Mana: 152.51, Regen: 9.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 34%, Regen: 113/s
▸ Attributes: 44 Str / 23 Dex / 17 Int / 14 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 52% / 70% / 58% / 78% / 54% / 157% / 53%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 502
▸ Dodge Chance: 45% (1644)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,968)

Used skills:

Swipe / Earthquake / Maelstrom / Warcry / Summon Frenzy Totem

[mossy coral]

221c ez pz so far

[tardy frost]

jeez man I forgot how bad the rolls on these were

not even 300

ehg are legit trolling

[mossy coral]

3 mana

Joke of an affix, there to dilute the pool I suppose

[patent dock]

The 14 armor shreds aren't helping you then

[mossy coral]

Yeah it's useless, they just die

I think swipe is bugged when running and hitting, or you just attack faster if you're standing still

[potent mesa]

where can i see what prefixes n suffixes idols can have for primalist specifically?

[wise leaf]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/

[potent mesa]

thank you was looking for this specifically. does this mean itll basically cast earthquake automatically?

[wise leaf]

it'll cast the aftershock subskill

for earthquake

[potent mesa]

right then if i want to i should spec in to aftershocks

makes sense

can i possibly farm those idols with my mage?

[wise leaf]

technically yes but it will take a lot longer than farming them with primalist

[potent mesa]

Zzz i didnt know this was the only way to get the aftershocks going so now im stuck until they drop on my primalist

Im doing a lightning swipe build and i was wondering how much lightning pen is enough

[mellow kestrel]

Dang that’s cool. And you’re lowlife all da time?

[wise leaf]

res reduction isn't really an "enough" thing, it's just another damage bucket

so "enough" is just when the next iterative amount is gonna get you less than the opportunity cost of taking it

[potent mesa]

yeah makes sense. also i didnt read good enough because 2 per attunement is quite crazy

so ill have enough

I dont even know how much attribute ill land on but ill definitely have around 50 attunement for sure

[wise leaf]

it is but at the same time that means you're not stacking strength,

[potent mesa]

no i am 😂

[wise leaf]

and attunement at base... kinda sucks

[potent mesa]

that is true

I get your point but my concern is far away from stacking strength to be honest

Reason i asked is mainly because of shredding light blessing

At that point itll just be useless to me

[wise leaf]

i mean even if you're at 50 attunement and so have 100% res pen, max shred stacks is still gonna be an overall 10% damage improvement

but the hybrid health regen blessing is also really good

also if you're doing lightning conversion aftershocks the res pen from attunement isn't gonna apply to those

so the shred will be twice as effective

[potent mesa]

Great point. I think the health regen is incredibly strong for werebear form

Warcry will help chill, freeze whatever the enemies and aftershock will help slow them to ensure 100% uptime for the 60% more damage with swipe which is the whole idea, point behind them

and aftershocks will pretty much stun stuff as a defensive mechanism so it really isnt for damage

also why im not too concerned

With entwined ill have 3 complete sets anyway and 1 of the sets will give me 30 str as well

[wise leaf]

and after all that it's still gonna struggle for damage unfortunately

just cos primalist spammable melee isn't allowed to be good

[potent mesa]

Only one way to find out. With cope, ignorance alongside.

Its also the only plausible way i found out a use for it with lightning dmg on it

[mellow kestrel]

Big dam???

That seems massive

[potent mesa]

Only one way to find out

[rare scarab]

does increased tornado damage make the storm bolts it spawns do more dmg too

[patent dock]

No, but it does affect the storm orbs

[rare scarab]

can you dodge dots

[dense heath]

what to level with if i want to play frogs

[near leaf]

Goat

[brazen wigeon]

Think I actually felt stronger/more fun on my Sabertooth build than on Erasing Strike, surprising but cool

[wise leaf]

no, either you have a DoT cos you failed to dodge the hit that applied it or you're standing in some kinda ground AoE that's dealing it or applying it

[mossy coral]

Yeah got 4.5k ward atm, the dodge feels good already

[edgy wraith]

Hey all, should Natural wrath idol be triggered with upheaval as a totem?

[mossy coral]

yes

Or do you mean trigger EQ?

[edgy wraith]

it isn´t being triggered for me, cant see any of my storm stacks being consumed to trigger EQ

[mossy coral]

Minions can't trigger EQ, I thought you meant convert them to lightning which it does

[edgy wraith]

would have helped if i read the dang thing...

[wise leaf]

don't feel too bad, it's well known that arpg players can't read in general

[edgy wraith]

true! 😄

the build just isn´t feeling comfortable right now, not generating SS quick enough to trigger EQ

[mossy coral]

30 is a lot lol, and you're playing piano with upheaval

[edgy wraith]

yupp, could quickly get to 40-50 if i use upheaval totem and attacking with GS, but that doesn´t work so.

[mossy coral]

You could use idols to make the stacks expend slower, could maybe help

[edgy wraith]

gonna see if that helps

[tranquil lintel]

can I get some help with this. I was trying to make DoT aftershocks work. The idea is to leap>create totems dump eq's then all the aftershocks stack up. It works and im comfortably doing 500c but the damage is just mediocre. Is there anything obvious I'm missing?

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/wxc5dh0e

[mossy coral]

I'd argue you would want more points into blue and less into red

At least 1 more point in crushing wave

Ideally you want all but that's very hard to get

[tranquil lintel]

I wasnt sure about the first node in red its hard to tell, perhaps it should just be 1 point?. I ended up putting 2 in the aftershock area because they were missing alot of the time on 1 target so i wasnt getting the damage out of them anyway. With increaseed area enemies inside the circle of totems are getting hit by most of the aftershocks. I tested it and the damage is alot higher that way unless the target is huge like aberroth

[mossy coral]

Idk if it would ruin EQ aftershocks and you're frenzy uptime but you'd gain a lot more damage if you could unspec leap and use Frenzy totem instead

I'd also consider replacing throne for another chance to proc aftershocks unless all your damage is evade/leap from Bhuldar and dump

[tranquil lintel]

I think frenzy totem is a good idea to try. I think id stuck with leap because I was struggling to survive in omens earlier on and the immunity and resests were making them a breeze but I dont think thats as much as a problem as just doing more damage. Frenzy uptime is easy to solve with any setup too

[mossy coral]

I think having more healing nodes and less frailty time for warcry totem also would help

This would help you more defensively than having points in druid tree, you already have enough armor

[tranquil lintel]

thanks, what do you think of two piece of the last bear set vs falcon fists/winged guards? I was struggling with survivability but I dont know if the extra threshold is necessary now

[mossy coral]

Attack speed will help more overall because that's more hits and more leech, I think falcon might be a better choice since you can't use the dodge that well and it gives some extra flat with higher LP

[mossy coral]

🙏

We hit those

[near leaf]

[mossy coral]

It's too good to brick!

[high stratus]

75% chance of a positive outcome xD

only 25% chance of making you quit LE until next season!

[mossy coral]

I mean I can, I probably will

[tranquil lintel]

I slammed a double t7 ring yesterday and it removed legendary status and I felt miserable

for about 30 seconds

[mossy coral]

Insane ward/potion use

[tranquil lintel]

[high stratus]

didn't notice the maxroll on necrotic res too, really nice

now let's see paul allen's belt

[mossy coral]

Yeah and I'm running boneclamor so it's even better

[cunning elm]

Does the leggo stat here work on the frogs from the frog helm primordial? Ive been running this just because I got it from the egg but now Im questioning if its doing anything after throwing my frogs at the dummy tbh

[near leaf]

Yes, they are minions, so should work

[cunning elm]

Thats what I thought but it didnt look to make much difference, is that T6 not base crit or something? Maybe Im just wrong on what the stat is even giving me lol

[near leaf]

Yeah, thats 12 flat crit

But frogs already get a bunch from elsewhere iirc

Like Dex or Attunement ?

Maybe its not noticable

[cunning elm]

Okay I must just be blind cuz it should be a noticable difference going from 24 base crit to 36% Id assume

Actually now that I typed that maybe its just not easy to see that change lol

[near leaf]

I feel like its going hard to tell on the dummy with all the hts going

[cunning elm]

Yeah now that Im reading the change in crit out to myself thats not gonna be easy to notice with how many hits you get with all the frogs going at once

Welp, thanks for the help lol

I need more sleep clearly

[near leaf]

Also dont you have like frenzy totem + wolf + warcry ?

Thats a lot of inc crit

[cunning elm]

I removed it all before testing cuz I have basically 100% crit when I have all my stuff going

[ionic sparrow]

Anyone got some good planners / ideas for making a laup's path totem shaman viable for hardcore / high corruption?

[raven sluice]

I see you have embraced the true path of apathy

I got tsunami again. With maelstrom on hit/kill, warcry, idols, I was quite often hitting 20 stacks so I figured I'll do both

[raven sluice]

Ah, rip. You're not doing apathy anymore though

[tranquil lintel]

frenzy totem is feeling alot better, thanks for the tips. I'm seeing 2.8m ticks on the dummy rn and I have a few 2lp Bhuldar's to slam just waiting for double exalts from prophecies

[raven sluice]

I might swap out of primalist caster as well soon. Idk if I'm feeling that it's effective

Idk how you'd fit apathy on tornado, and avalanche has always been a mixed bag. Tsunami wasn't what I had hoped

Apathy + exciting bolts sounds like a tricky thing to make work

You'd want xylem for apathy tornado, but then how do you LL on primalist without cleaver

Cuz max 1 primordial, stacking mana as LL means you have to choose between architects of astral blood and xylem. It just doesn't seem functional

[iron jetty]

Nice someone with bear eq got 4k corr and is beating all other pet builds for primalistt

I think he's using potions spam to maintain the mana lol

And mana blessing

T7 mana and mana regen on potion on belt seems vital now

They really destroyed the barrier for entry for most tip tier primalist builds this season

[patent dock]

Xylem is good, but so is ladle... that said, I probably wouldn't bother much with cleaver since you're stacking apathy, not str

[raven sluice]

Yeah

[mossy coral]

It just doesn't feel as good, I do 2,5 mil fully stacked and that's not good enough

[raven sluice]

Maybe the fact that xylem gives a big bunch of life can help for LL + mana stacking + apathy?

[iron jetty]

Need a bunch of 2lp minimum for the bear eq and barnado to not play like total ceap

Meanwhile abom and ballista

[patent dock]

Yeah, I'd just rely on the big max health boost to up your ward per second

[raven sluice]

That sounds potentially viable tbh

[patent dock]

Attunement stacking lightning bolts for sure can get decent damage, just gotta find a good source of inc damage

[raven sluice]

Gonna be giga hungry for ward retention, but might be doable anyway

[raven sluice]

Lagon ammy might help a bit

[iron jetty]

I was playing bear nado last night on 1lp character it was not terrible with stacking mana regen But the dmg suffered bigly. Need both dmg rolls and mana regen rolls. And most people quit before all 2lp. It's not a mystery why its least played class now

[raven sluice]

Might be the case that caster primalists just gotta rest a bit

[patent dock]

Probably won't get you much without focusing pretty hard on getting maelstrom stacks

[raven sluice]

Yeah

But it's not too hard to get 20 stacks from passive sources and warcry

At least didn't seem hard until I got tsunami again for some reason. Maybe maelstrom on hit/kill tanks my mana

No, actually the only thing that would tank my mana is maelstrom on storm stack. But last time I tested that those maelstroms were mana-free

[mossy coral]

If you didn't need x1000 mana regen/cast speed/5 casts to do tsunami I think it's not a good skill. Not enough AoE under 20 stacks as well

[raven sluice]

A good thing about apathy is it feels way less shit than spriggan/werebear mana reset. Add that tornado stormbolt targeting is like BiS in the game, and shaman tornado LL with xylem might at least be very comfy

Imo anyway

Just run around and cast tornado, warcry some, fury leap, everything dies

Prolly weaker than prenerf tornadobear, but smoother

Werebears more lightning dmg modifiers can probably still justify tornadobear even for LL apathy? So the best tornado build was literally just kneecapped, without necessarily losing no1 status?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[iron jetty]

Yha it just made that build harder to gear. So almost no one is playing druid now

Hopefully better balance next season

[mossy coral]

I was missing 4 corruption

[iron jetty]

Do potions drop more when using brew master belt or is it just in my mind

[mossy coral]

Just your mind

Maybe cause you're using potions?

Or is this a trick question cause it drops Beer

[iron jetty]

Lol

[candid topaz]

That would be cool but primalist is starting to feel like the forgotten step child. Even if next season is their rework and new skill, I still see them just making other classes better and still leaving this class to rot.

[iron jetty]

Prima can do well but has major qol issues making it harder to gear. And it makes me also want to bust out my mouse software macros lol

So much small short upkeep buffs

It's like if Necro had to recast both shades and aod every 5 sec lol 😂

And bone curse if you don't run the aura version

[mellow kestrel]

@near leaf I see you bruh. In a world of blade dancers and rune masters, be a totem shatterer 😎

[mellow kestrel]

wait really? Using baldirs wrath

?

[tardy frost]

is bulldozer wrath even usable these days?

I always figured it was power crept to oblivion

also I don't play EQ builds so I wouldn't know either way

[polar vortex]

Revisited CheapBunny's Crit Cold Spriggan.
Super fun in early corruptions (up to 300), can easily do normal Abby as long as you know the fight. Not a glass cannon in low corruptions, but could do with some more investment in defenses.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozwYOGle

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (8) / Shaman (14) / Druid (71)

General:

▸ Health: 2,800, Regen: 41.8/s
▸ Mana: 439.81, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 15/s
▸ Attributes: 46 Str / 13 Dex / 13 Int / 100 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 110% / 151% / 118% / 81% / 91% / 74% / 98%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,080
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (73)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,900)

Used skills:

Maelstrom / Spriggan Form / Summon Spriggan / Eterra's Blessing / Gathering Storm

[polar vortex]

Anyone would like to suggest improvements for both off/def, let me know

[tardy frost]

played this earlier in this season, might revisit with better gear. I was using ire + ancestral pack and played it on shaman for avalanche idols synergy, which ended up sucking

[near leaf]

Let's go
BTW I don't see an upvote......

[mossy coral]

What's an updoot

[tardy frost]

updruid on the left

[mossy coral]

[ornate scroll]

Yeah I just started a flame reave sb and it feels so much better than trying to mess around with a lot of primalist builds I’ve tried

[potent mesa]

Wait so how do i hunt adorned idols for primalist specifically?

[ornate scroll]

A lot of skills just seem not very good

[potent mesa]

Prophecies are shit cuz it only gave me 1 out 50-70

[tardy frost]

it's likely the best sb build this patch, most of the other builds are just as bad

if not worse

[ornate scroll]

Yeah seems that way I would not play the way shatterstrike is

[ornate scroll]

If you do a bunch of adorned prophecies u should get them just might take a few

Dunno most times I have hunted for specific idols I have gotten them after 20 or so

[iron jetty]

No the typical cleaver and naals tooth . BM Bear EQ

[tardy frost]

shatterstrike lol it's like the second best build, try someting more like.. static with procs

[ornate scroll]

Oh I won’t try it then, was just saying in terms of playstyle I want to have to do the builder and spender type thing

[tardy frost]

yeah nvm then, it's just when people say that sb is suddenly good this patch, it has very little build variety (other than some builds that it cannibalized from other mage masteries cause of free crit) and general depth

this patch did little to address that

I guess on the level of meme builds like orbiting volcanic orb maybe

[mossy coral]

Exactly that, gl. Farming idols are suuuper fun, also Idol echos also helps but prophecies is you best bet

[mellow kestrel]

My account is permanently banned for some bs. So I just view threads can’t upvote 🙁

Otherwise I would!!! ❤️

[pseudo python]

guys, is there a big difference in pushing corruption/arena for raptors dino vs bear eq?

[ornate scroll]

Yeah seems like nobody is using the newer proccing stuff really, yeah it’s unfortunate. I usually only played mostly primalist, so I’m pretty new to mage

[raven sluice]

Prophecies for idols seems so shit unless you play multiple classes

[tardy frost]

it's not even newer, it's been in the game for ages now. It's just that SB has basically no specific build variety, what are you gonna play beyond FR and SS, Surge? It sucks ass with its tiny hitbox and AOE

and firebrand is a utility skill

[raven sluice]

And if you play multiple classes using idol prophecies, I'd imagine you need like 10 stash tabs for it

Hmm. Maybe I go back to summoner. It was fun

Idr how much they nerfed boar?

[tardy frost]

into the ground, it now only gives you a stacking buff for extra targets on hatchet throw that does barely anything

wait wrong game

[mossy coral]

Its not, it's 95% your class idols

Idols are shit to farm no matter what you do, even weaver enchants are trash

Also rll range

[candid topaz]

Tbf, they do little to address anything unless it's something positive for the player lol.

[patent dock]

Did they actually make class weighting apply this season?

[mossy coral]

Most of the idols is your class idols

[tardy frost]

well they did address the build variety problem by adding 50 more sentinel and rogue builds

it's easy to see which classes are heroic in this game

[mossy coral]

They should at least make every affix on idols same weight

[patent dock]

I didn't see anything in the patch notes, but also haven't bothered with idol prophs this season lol

[candid topaz]

I have been saying that rogue and sentinel been the olden children for awhile but I get looked at like I am crazy

As they look at me like that they go ahead and nerf BM bear and frogs at the start of the season.

And tell me there is no favoritism

[mossy coral]

Every idol is crazy good, absolute perfection.

[candid topaz]

I heard the new shadow rend is able to do high c with rares lol

[tardy frost]

well rogue is still not doing 1b dps so clearly there is no favoritism here

it's only at what 300m these days

rookie numbers

[candid topaz]

Didn't falconer kill Uber in 3 seconds this season?

[lavish scaffold]

it was 5 seconds 😛

[tardy frost]

the worse part is that you can have like 8k ward with one or two ward on shadow creation affixes with zero investment otherwise, it's incredibly stupid

[mossy coral]

Holy moly found the perfect idol with min rolls, only weaver enchants + corrupt to perfect rolls left 🙏

[tardy frost]

meanwhile classes like SB have to scrounge up modicums of ward from their passive tree and idols

[mossy coral]

When are we gonna get overleech to compete with the ward abusers?

[tardy frost]

when is mage gonna be the primary ward class and not rogue and sentinel?

this is such a joke

[raven sluice]

Hmm. I just realised boar didn't even get nerfed if you account for omen idols? So all the bleed minions are as strong as ever?

Lost like 20% aspect effect, which you regain on omen idols with refracted slots

[mossy coral]

I love endurance, threshold, health, leech, glancing blow, but all of those affixes are so bad and boring.
Aspects are cool too but takes up slots so that's also a no go

[raven sluice]

If they hadn't nerfed it, boar would have been starting to reach over the top lvls of less dmg taken

It's not even a nerf to beastmaster tankyneas in boar, just his minions bleed stats and extra absurd tankyness

[subtle lodge]

Mage still uses Ward well

Ward in general is just OP and has been for a long time

[tardy frost]

it really isn't in the amounts most builds can get it these days

also ward has very slow replenishment which is universally bad in current patch with high(er) mob density and consistent incoming damage

[raven sluice]

I would assume you can hit like:

• 2 of 3x1/1x3 omen idol: 12%x2 -> 24% boar effect
• 2 of 2x2 adorned idol: 11%x2 -> 22% boar effect
• Total: 46%
  Altar effect: +60%, Reliquary Nest effect: +60%
• 46% x 220% = 101.2%
• That's 60.72% less dmg taken
• +40% on minions for 72.72% less dmg taken

[tardy frost]

we arent in the age of 200k ward paladin anymore

[raven sluice]

Would have been fun with minions at 78% less dmg taken lul

Anyway, that's why bleed companions. Boar boar boar

[subtle lodge]

Your point being?

[patent dock]

Yeah, I got an altar that let me do 2 ornate/grand and 2 adorned and came to about the same numbers by just punching it in to LE Tools, so definitely possible

Wings might even be better

[candid topaz]

Hey, acolytes also deserve to be a ward class.

[raven sluice]

Wings are cool. Really cool on omen idols probably

I want wings to be good

[patent dock]

Yeah, downside is there are only 2 omen idol shapes

[raven sluice]

True, but altars are sorta restrictive anyway I think?

[iron jetty]

Does the bear roar also apply to you with the DR node? Or just to your pets ?

[raven sluice]

Like, can you even get all of:

• A lot of space/few blockers
• A lot of refracted slots
• High increased effect of idols in refracted slots
• Viable layout
• 4+ possible omen idols
  ?

I'm kinda lost on altars tbf

[devout cypress]

yes, champion omen windows. They drop 77 alters frequently. Just have an alter loot filter rule that is aggressively filtering the trash ones out

[patent dock]

Just your minions

[raven sluice]

Ngl, I'm so lost on altars I don't even know how to filter them

[patent dock]

The damage redirect applies to you, though

[subtle anchor]

hello. is the a build that fully invests in to maelstrom?

[patent dock]

I started by filtering to highlight ones with a T7 and hide any without T6+

[raven sluice]

That might work I guess

[raven sluice]

Tsunami. A lot of people mentioned it in this server, but I didn't find any guides from content creators. Verdict seems to be it's doable but not great

[mossy coral]

Altars suck if they don't give +omen OR no T6+ affix on them basically

[subtle anchor]

im already at the point where im kinda done with meta stuff and want to play with the maybe not so strong, but really fun off meta stuff

[mossy coral]

Btw has anyone found any useful corrupted items that isn't body armor?

[raven sluice]

Amulets and idols

And gloves and boots and relics and rings

And belts

No weapon yet

[mossy coral]

Maelstroms no, tsunami maybe? I didn't find it to be that good though.

[mossy coral]

You found useful ring/gloves/boots/relics from omen windows??

I want to run wing, forced to LL

[raven sluice]

Idr where I got stuff. But I got good corrupted items of all slots from somewhere

[mossy coral]

Sick build, got a link to those t0 items?

[patent dock]

With an absurdly disgusting altar roll, you can reach 70.1% DR for the player lol

[high stratus]

sorry but i gotta hide my secret tech

[raven sluice]

Pog

82% for minions then

And a lot of bleed

[mossy coral]

Understandable

[raven sluice]

64% bleed chance
120% bleed phys pen
30% bleed duration
->
175% bleed chance
368% bleed phys pen
82% bleed duration

[patent dock]

And the prefix rolls on some of the idols are great for bleed, too

You can get shared bleed duration on most, or for player bleeds you can grab aftershocks

[mossy coral]

LOL Omen tied himself to a lizard running away

[iron jetty]

Damn I guess that would been too OP

I see all the top builds taking the 40 Dr bear shout and bear CD reset on frenzy totem I guess it's important for keeping the bear alive

[raven sluice]

Yup. Shared bleed duration is great, since you got sources of chance and boar gives insane pen

[iron jetty]

Frenzy totem reset doesn't effect bears eq CD right?

[raven sluice]

Also, if you give your minion some leech it can tank uber uberoth bubble through boar and bleed stacks, even as you run away and it follows you

Cuz the bleeds stay on

Now I wanna play beastmaster companion bleed again. Just don't know if 4 solo squirrels, saber, or thornbear

[iron jetty]

Wait so the boar idol affixes stack additive?

[raven sluice]

Prolly not raptor at least

[iron jetty]

BM can get super tanky then

[raven sluice]

You get all the beastmaster passives for boar, sum, scale

I'd assume it works. I think I tested it too and saw stats on sheet reflect that

[iron jetty]

Gonna mess around more with eq bear once I get home

[raven sluice]

Yeah, that can prolly use boar defensively at least. All beastmasters should minimum have 30% DR from boar imo

And give that to companion, unless you're literally full healing a half immortal bear every 2 seconds with swipe

[patent dock]

I like bear the best, you can just sit in spriggan form and spam bleed shields on it and it spams big area hits

[raven sluice]

I'll look at it

Do you use earthquake on bleed bear?

[mossy coral]

Can't believe this is the best item I've gotten from 40 swords and it's only the corrupt affix that's good

[sly bobcat]

bleed bear now that it has EQ sounds kinda sick actually

I remember playing it before 1.0 with just the thorn burst and it was kinda fun

[patent dock]

If you have the skill slot for it, may as well since it has good multis on it

[raven sluice]

Fair

I assume you unlock EQ tree or it's rubbish. But that should be nice

[sly bobcat]

i just realized I've played a bleed build of some variety every season now

maybe I have a problem

[sly bobcat]

yeah it 100% requires you to have the tree. the multipliers on it are really good

[raven sluice]

Maybe I don't ruin my apathy char and just make a new primalist

Companion bleed lvling is fun

[sly bobcat]

just gather gear for both builds and stash them somewhere so you can swap if you want

[patent dock]

Bleed bear is mega easy leveling, too

[raven sluice]

"Ruin" fix*
/shrug

[iron jetty]

Bear lvling was nice. But then I got the eq triple repeat node and I couldn't play anymore since it uses your mana

[mossy coral]

Can I get a shade sometime soon?

[sly bobcat]

bleed cat was pretty easy too. it really wants you to find minion AoE somewhere in the campaign though

[iron jetty]

Had to take that node ofd

[raven sluice]

I guess, but I'm CoF so short on gold

[iron jetty]

Sabertooth looks fun with upheaval since it doesn't cost your mana

[sly bobcat]

what else are you gonna use your gold for anyway

[iron jetty]

But I don't think it pumps like eq bear

[raven sluice]

Bleed cat is great

[raven sluice]

I get too many tabs

[sly bobcat]

it doesn't, but you get to use saber and that's fun

[iron jetty]

True

[raven sluice]

Saber base movement speed is a rocket, and it has nodes that makes it even faster

Then it triggers on triggers and obliterates the screen

[mossy coral]

Saber should have really good clear now if you have upheaval aftershocks on chest cause now it actually deals damage

[sly bobcat]

it can also leap with you with fury leap. guarantees an upheaval every time you jump

[raven sluice]

Just maybe lacks single target

But not as in badly lacks. It's just not bear EQ

[sly bobcat]

yeah Bear is more an outlier than the norm to judge by imo

[raven sluice]

True

[sly bobcat]

it was deleting uber in like 5 seconds last season

[raven sluice]

Saber is rounded, fun, and fast, good place in balance. At least bleed. I didn't play crit

[sly bobcat]

crit is better by quite a bit

i started with bleed saber last season

i got to like 900ish corruption but the single target falls off. I couldn't beat uber

[mossy coral]

Happy easter I suppose 😄

[sly bobcat]

granted I also didn't invest a massive amount into min maxing it

[mossy coral]

When you look away for 1 second

[raven sluice]

yulias path maelstrom + dw apogee?

[sly bobcat]

[sly bobcat]

either path or dex stacking cold damage

dex stack is less micromanagement. nothing really stopping you from doing both together

[high stratus]

Can shockwaves from the chest affix hit the same target?

[sly bobcat]

no

but it's great for helping saber's lackluster AoE

[polar vortex]

Went crazy and corrupted almost all my items... bricked my +4 relic

[mossy coral]

No, it will get sick AoE though

[sly bobcat]

o7

[polar vortex]

Bro these omens are bs

Literally make everything invulnerable

[languid notch]

anyone else doing stormcrows? or what else is super fun this season?

[neon seal]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdXey2R

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (21) / Beastmaster (77) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,058, Regen: 735.84/s
▸ Mana: 229.05, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 243%, Regen: 210/s
▸ Attributes: 95 Str / 18 Dex / 95 Int / 15 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 57% / 109% / 71% / 107% / 81% / 94% / 24%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 52%, Threshold: 1,202
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (72)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 55% (3,760)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 18%

Used skills:

Summon Storm Crows / Swipe / Tempest Strike / Summon Frenzy Totem / Summon Spriggan

[valid wigeon]

Are spirit vale considered minions ?

[neon seal]

fire storm crows

[forest marsh]

I've never played Primalist before, any recommended builds?

[patent dock]

No

[neon seal]

storm totems

[valid wigeon]

ok thanks

[patent dock]

Depends on your goals and preferred playstyle. Laup's path is a new unique for summoning thorn totems, it is pretty fun and effective for thorn totem builds, totem shatter builds, or storm totem builds

[forest marsh]

Is it the leap one?

[patent dock]

Yeah

[forest marsh]

Ok cool, sounds fun

Thanks

[frigid wind]

Can alts skip campaign now? I know they made some changes?

[raven sluice]

ah, now I know a lvling item I need

Laups

[potent mesa]

a bit too much res, maybe

[near leaf]

Indeed

And a bit low on hp

[potent mesa]

working on it. its hard in cof to get proper items esp if your build is a bit slow

probably just doing it all wrong

[near leaf]

Its fine, as long as you are having fun

If you need a hand we can talk about your build

[potent mesa]

all i need to know is if stun avoidance is worth it if you can get over 2k

[near leaf]

Not

Unless its a by product of stacking strenght

Just take hp instead

[potent mesa]

By attunement since i got the passive and was contemplating this belt which gives up to 900

this belt because i get +1 from entwined

Could just make a reg belt and slot this in ofc

[near leaf]

Ah ! But thats a great belt because it gives 20% More Dmg with Entwined Legens

[potent mesa]

yeah im using 2h fang so its useless

any other belt, boots etc are useless but i need the +1 stats

[near leaf]

Then take the brewmaster belt or an exalted belt with % hp

[near leaf]

2h fang ?

[potent mesa]

Weaver fang one

[near leaf]

Ah

Titan Heart Body Armor ?

[potent mesa]

Nop i probably have like 1500-2500% inc dmg at tjis point 😂

[potent mesa]

what im working with on my lightning swipe

[near leaf]

Titan Heart is great for the DR and %Hp

[potent mesa]

i had much less res earlier at 100 corruption and i barely died. its actually incredible

Only the damage needs a ramp up so i know if its legit or not. Missing a ton of crit multi as wel

[blazing echo]

before you can get a solid pair of yulias as sabretooth would frenzy totem be better to use than maelstrom?

[near leaf]

Nah, the boots are too good

Imo

Even a minrolled pair, its still like 80Flat dmg

[neon seal]

this ward is insane, i think i found something

[potent mesa]

I want str, melee as on the prefixes and a open suffix for the last bears lament set to be slotted in

Is my best ocurse of action to envy light or health regen and then pray i get the stats i want through uh that rune_

redemption

[blazing echo]

boots are kinda high level tho

im only 65 atm

maelstrom doesnt rly do anything right now i feel like

[near leaf]

Ah, yes without the boots take Frenzy totem

If you cant equip them yet

But as soon as you get the boots

[near leaf]

Yeah bones of the ancestral pack is really nice for ward gen

[neon seal]

yeah, i think i can generate more ward

i just need better equips

i gonna test with anchor of oblivion

40 to 100 endurance threshold

i will lose the vessel, but i want to test anyway

[frigid wind]

Stormcarved testament doesn't exist

[patent dock]

Man, the corruption grind feels so much slower this season now that we have so much stuff in each echo lol

[polar vortex]

OK, managed to fix the +4 Soul of the Mountain, but I lost 18% cast speed (it was a double T7 )
Not as tanky as using the Twisted Heart relic which gives Ward per cast, but much deadlier. Still, I wouldn't push that past 250-300, unless I minmaxed it (like 3xT7 staff levels of minmaxing)

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7G4yGzJ

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (4) / Shaman (14) / Druid (75)

General:

▸ Health: 2,682, Regen: 49.68/s
▸ Mana: 455.53, Regen: 11.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 16/s
▸ Attributes: 42 Str / 13 Dex / 18 Int / 100 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 122% / 110% / 88% / 90% / 88% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 54%, Threshold: 1,046
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (73)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,928)

Used skills:

Maelstrom / Spriggan Form / Summon Spriggan / Eterra's Blessing / Gathering Storm

[high stratus]

how is non-gathering storm storm totem DPS if you use all the other scaling available to it?

[patent dock]

It should still be good, especially against large and relatively stationary enemies, but it's mechanically weaker imo

[sly bobcat]

my blizzard totems will be good one day

surely

[high stratus]

1.5 blizzard totem & further nodes replaced with lightning storm (not storm bolt) has a chance on hit to proc avalanche boulders x per y seconds consumes z mana

[winged swallow]

For werebear exclusively. Is the only way to generate storm stacks Stormbreaker? since you can't use GS while transformed and you aren't a shaman so avalanche isn't obtainable

[high stratus]

Think so

[winged swallow]

darn. But I like physical GS....and stormbreaker is lightning focused

grrrrr

[sly bobcat]

that would honestly probably be better

but still makes me

[high stratus]

The blizzard does more damage per tick which is kind of interesting. Still terrible, but with some number changes who knows

[high stratus]

I think no cooldown lightning rampage and tapping the button fast is the way to go

[sly bobcat]

it needs a big buff to the ADE on it at minimum

[high stratus]

Though apparently that's offline only

[sly bobcat]

blizzard doesn't benefit from cast speed or the crit chance from other nodes on the tree

[winged swallow]

If I found a 2LP stormbreaker I could technically turn it into physical....

wouldn't be good by any means tho

[high stratus]

Stormbreaker isn't good in general

[winged swallow]

huh 3LP stormbreaker is only 1 in 166 and that gets cut in half being CoF right? That's pretty common

[frigid wind]

Ive killed lagon like 15 times still no stormcarved testament 🙁

[patent dock]

You can proc gathering storm with lightning in a bottle and then rely on friends of the tempest to maintain you at 15 stacks

[potent mesa]

i summon thee! how does army of skin work exactly? is it enemies with higher hp than me or simply have more hp than me? would it be beneficial for a build like mine given i do more damage at <35?

[frigid wind]

This is what I get for picking a build that revolves around a unique lol

[potent mesa]

that the 2h sword?

[frigid wind]

No....stormcarved testament

[potent mesa]

OH that thing

i had 3 dropped today left em behind KEKW

[frigid wind]

Have no desire to keep grinding for it lol. Killed lagon 16 times just not fun

[viral valve]

Is there any viable lightning Werebear build?

With natural wrath

[winged swallow]

you'd have to run a 3LP stormbreaker to even get even a attempt at triggering natural wrath with werebear

30 GS stacks is not easy to come by for werebear

[mellow kestrel]

Huh??

[viral valve]

I am using it to turn aftershocks into lightning so it can scale with lightning items.

[winged swallow]

then yeah that's just aftershock idol. If you don't plan to actually use the trigger and only the convert. Plenty of ways to make that work

[viral valve]

But I don't know if it would be better to stay physical or lightning.

[patent dock]

Ooh speed

[young path]

How survive to primalist? 0 survival talant,no dodge,block only heal per hit,so how they survive in hardcore? I die 5 time already before 25😏

[rare scarab]

wait so you can get 74% cooldown reduction? Its additive like that and would make warcry only 1.3 sec cd?

or is that not how it works

[patent dock]

Almost all cooldown stats are "cooldown recovery speed", not "cooldown reduction". 74% cooldown recovery speed brings warcry to 2.87s cooldown
5 / (1 + 0.74) = 2.87

[rare scarab]

oh damn

[sly bobcat]

tier 1 trash it

[patent dock]

You right 😔

[near leaf]

The more dmg against high health enemies works durong their first 35%hp

[stark sapphire]

can you reforge a set 1hander into a set 2hander?

[zealous trench]

Anyone got a good werebear build?

[limpid veldt]

right now for storm bolt tornado build

is shaman better than bear?

[high stratus]

Just throwing an idea out there

[raven sluice]

Would it be worth using Seismic Tide on bleed bear?

Or maybe what I do is divining totem aftershocks + thornburst on EQ hit (if aftershocks 1. count, 2. shotgun)

[raven sluice]

Ngl, storm totem should cast avalanche

[high stratus]

It would be nice

[raven sluice]

What if shaman had "-10 to totem mana cost and 50% less mana consumed by triggered effects of totems", then it got ways to totemize basically all or almost all shaman/generic primalist skills, etc

[near leaf]

No

[high stratus]

You're dreaming too big

[limpid veldt]

Hmm anyone tried these two in ss4?

[high stratus]

Top of the corruption ladder for druid is a bearnado player. Top for shaman is spriggan totems

[raven sluice]

Make sure your dreams are memes

[high stratus]

I can't understand the druids build tho, idk how he sustains mana

Like sure rage on hit in bear form but actually casting the tornadoes in between idk

[raven sluice]

Tornado now costs 18 mana instead of 22

That's a buff

[tardy frost]

sorry best ehg can do is all skills trigger storm bolts

[raven sluice]

Fair

[high stratus]

Everything triggers storm bolts, nothing gives you storm stacks.
Thanks obama

[raven sluice]

And gathering storm has a node with 20% less attack speed per point, 5% chance to gain a storm stack when you hit 5 enemies in melee with gathering storm (per point)

So with 3 points it gives 60% less attack speed and 15% chance to give 3 storm stacks when you hit 15 enemies in melee with gathering storm

📈

[tardy frost]

just use friends of the tempest and that new belt that gives you a stack

[high stratus]

15 storm stacks is worthless imo, if you're not above like 35 the damage output is slow and low

[raven sluice]

Ngl, it would be giga cool if gathering storm had some shit like:

• 1 pt, gathering storm doesn't benefit from attack speed scaling, 200% more storm stacks gained (not applied when you get +1 instead of -1 from expending)
• 3 pts, 15% less attack speed with gathering storm per point, 100% more storm stacks gained per pt (not applied when -1 becomes +1 from expending) - requires no attack speed scaling

[tardy frost]

use eq to discharge them with a (checks notes) 30% more damage buff

[near leaf]

Storm Stacks to be competitive with the rest should gives Storm Bolts like 200% More Dmg

[tardy frost]

now some nodes that gathering storm would have if it was a rogue skill:

• 100% chance to get a storm stack on any hit, limited to 500 storm stacks max
• when you use tornado you summon a gathering storm totem that attacks everything around it with gathering storm granting you stacks
• if you take lethal damage you can instead expend a gathering storm stack to remain at 1 health

[near leaf]

And maybe then we can discuss using them

[tardy frost]

or maybe they could first use their brain and then implement skills so that getting 1 storm stack per hit of GS would not be competing against getting what, 32? storm bolts per cast of Tornado

like I don't see how this even got past the drawing board it's so dumb

[high stratus]

How much attack speed do you need to match the rate of storm bolts from +0% increased cast speed tornado spam with gathering storm attacks?

[high stratus]

Imo gathering storm melee does warrant some storm stack buffs but in general I think stuff like power of the storm in maelstrom should give you stacks instead of triggering storm bolts

[raven sluice]

In theory, you can get a lot of extra storm stacks. But with exciting bolts capped costing 10 mana and giving 300% dmg, that puts mana per storm bolt on:

• mana 1:3 stormbolts
  And for example 25% chance to gain 3 storm stacks for 18 mana can't remotely compete with that

[high stratus]

storm stacks are also worth more than storm bolts with that chance to gain instead of lose node

[raven sluice]

Yup

But it's like:
1/0.64 = 1 / ((8×8)/(10×10))

(10×10) / (8×8) = (5/4)^2

25% more twice

It's nowhere near enough

If it was 50% chance to tick up instead of down, every storm stack would have an equal chance to go up or down. So you could only lose cuz "gambling is inherently shit". But they'd in a sense average infinite stormbolts? 40% chance to tick up would be:

• 60% down
• 40% up
• net change: 60%-40%=20%
  Therefore:
• Stormbolt cost in Storm Stacks = 20% <=> 1 Storm Stack = 5 Storm Bolts

Then Storm Stacks might not suck

[high stratus]

each storm stack being worth 5 storm bolts roughly sounds a bit too much

It's not like you can't get to 40 odd stacks as is

I'd make that node 11% per point so you get roughly 1/3 up 2/3 down

storm bolts deal more damage per storm stack would be a good change too

and change friends of the tempest to be something like X% chance per minion hit to gain a stack no ceiling and Y% less chance per storm stack so it still works best at low stack counts but can be juiced a lot

[raven sluice]

Would be fun having a swarm of minions turning you into a lightning rod

🐝 time to shine

[near leaf]

Imagine, that would be fun and potentially strong
We can't have that

Go play falconer

[raven sluice]

It's the message EHG are trying to get accross I guess

[high stratus]

Crows & Storm Totem turning you into a barrage of lightning would be sweet

[near leaf]

It's the one I am getting at least

[high stratus]

Go play VK ES and one tap the screen

[near leaf]

And you use melee Gathering Storm to get more crows hit to get even more Flat with aspect of the storm

[raven sluice]

Can you have server specific pronouns? I wanna put storm stack

[high stratus]

guys we know mana regen is incredibly weak so here's void well to fix all your mana problems on one mastery only... oh and of course mana is also your best damage scalar

[raven sluice]

Would be so cool if gathering storm was somehow good anyway

Imagine if earthquake instead of spending like 20 stacks gave like 20 stacks

I will comfort myself with bleed EQ bear when I get home 🥲

[tardy frost]

I saw somebody play the build with storm totem to generate friends of the tempest stacks for spellQ, it wasn't terrible but yeah