🐺┃primalist

[midnight pasture]

there any legendary rings u would use that arent red rings

maybe julra?

stardial

[patent dock]

Oceareon is similar to red ring, but depends on your build

[near leaf]

I like Oceareon

Gives More Dmg and Less Dmg taken

But when I get a RR, Ill swap to it

Zoom zoom

[patent dock]

Gotta go fast

[karmic bison]

ok i'm cooking now tsunami avalanche shaman it's so good now 😄

[near leaf]

Better

[patent dock]

Stonks

[mossy coral]

Nice

[sly bobcat]

look at all that lightning pen for thunder tempest!

[limpid veldt]

hmm

if the sabertooth uses upheaval

does the sabertooth's upheaval scale with strength or dexterity ?

[sly bobcat]

should scale with your saber's stats

so either? and attunement if you have ancestral cats

[limpid veldt]

Hmm I take the northwind node

so dexterity scales best :)))

[wind silo]

Is this the best place to ask for beast master build advice?

[near leaf]

Sure thing

[wind silo]

I’m kind of piecing this thing together, but I don’t really have an idea of what is possible with itemization. I’m not opposed to changing the build around, but if there are any particular uniques or exalted affixes I should be concerned with. I’d love some direction. I just started on monolith, so looking for what to hunt.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6PpxWb0

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 62

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (55)

General:

▸ Health: 1,147, Regen: 30.62/s
▸ Mana: 207.31, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 131%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 64 Str / 16 Dex / 64 Int / 43 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 29% / 79% / 49% / 22% / 22% / 90% / 74%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 243
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (1,750)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 18%

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Summon Sabertooth / Maelstrom / Upheaval / Warcry

[wind silo]

The idea is gathering storm shreds armor, maelstrom gives crit+haste+frenzy then just load up on crit damage and upheaval damage somewhere

[zenith rune]

I'm looking for a beastmaster build but I see only "Frog" and "Fire crow" one on this season is there a reason ? are the others spells not good enought to do something good ?
(First season playing)

[wind silo]

I’m no expert, but from what I gathered… if you’re trying to push end game end game, you have to use builds soecifically for that, and those builds will be limited… but it seems like you can push a decent way into the end game with just about anything

[lavish sorrel]

bear is good, raptors are good, poison scorpion is good, but ppl just follow the guides for this season 😄

[zenith rune]

Ok ok thanks, what about sabertooth and wolves ? I might try to make one myself

[lavish sorrel]

they are good too

[zenith rune]

Hope I will be able to handle it

[zenith rune]

Will try ty (:

[lavish sorrel]

and you can turn wolves to squirrels 😄

[mellow kestrel]

Can anyone ask Mike a question for me plz

[ornate scroll]

I just bricked my really nice xylem and had to stop playing avalanche lol I hate myself

[crude breach]

I need squirell helm to complete the cosplay...

[mellow kestrel]

Dang reaaalllyyy

[karmic bison]

yeah but i'm back to beam because I need crit very bad

[mossy coral]

I'm doing the same ish, still in testing phase though. Pivoting to just cold/totem and hope I drop a avalanche on spell cast idol with it

No idea what rings and belt to use for example

[lavish scaffold]

I was messing with Avalanche and just had Tsunami Maelstrom as a side thing in the build
but noticed that Tsunami when it went off hit harder than Avalanche

may have to re-think things

[winged swallow]

If you are scaling spells. Tsunami is one of the hardest hitting things primalist has

[winged swallow]

Man my Physical GS build is a problem. I've currently crashed in like 10+ monoliths now for being to gigachad

[lavish scaffold]

you know the build is good when it crashes the game

[naive igloo]

Does anyone know if the new Bees set works on Locust?

[wise leaf]

No

Locusts aren't bees

[naive igloo]

hmm would a minon locust/bee build via swarmblade be viable?

[floral escarp]

I thought this Idol would allow me to have multiple bears? What am I missing?

[mossy coral]

You can only have 1 bear

[marble cypress]

Reading the unique explains the unique

[mossy coral]

You use that idol for a different build, combined with a helmet that makes you summon frogs

[floral escarp]

Haha smart ass, english isnt my first language. I thought this meant I couldn't have 2 bears and 2 wolfs but the limit would be 4

Which means I could have 4 of either

[floral escarp]

Gotcha. But how would this idol make me have +4 frogs if it doesn't work with the bear? Are they different somehow?

[naive igloo]

frogs are minons not companions i think is the way that works

its stupid but y'know

[floral escarp]

Oh, perfect

This makes sense

Thanks y'all

[marble cypress]

Yeah, it's in the categories and how they are defined. A lot of games use a very specific internal language to describe functions

[mossy coral]

Yes completely different

[marble cypress]

Normally checking the tags should cover it, but LE sometimes has tags missing or some that aren't clear on how they are converted

[floral escarp]

Damn, okay. Gonna look into these frogs latter then, just got this relic

[floral escarp]

Gonna remember that

Ty

[mossy coral]

Bear, Scorpion and Sabertooth you can only have 1 of. The rest you can with items or some other interaction.
Crows for example is 2 companions base

[floral escarp]

My first time playing Primalist so a lot of stuff with minions and companions are a bit confusing right now

[floral escarp]

The beastmaster specific ones right

[marble cypress]

It'll vary from game to game, but ARPGs and card games tend to have a logical sequence. I think it might be in the game guide, but some conversions, uniques, and nodes will explain in the expanded tool tip

[mossy coral]

Yeah companions is primalist specific minions

[mossy coral]

yeah

[floral escarp]

I noticed that, I could have +1 crow at one point with a affix that dropped from the omen but didn't work for the bear either. I thought it was some bug at the time

[near leaf]

And Falcon

Stoopid birb

[marble cypress]

Falcon is sus

I distrust it

[mossy coral]

Falcon is invulnerable. It's blasphemy

[naive igloo]

its cause the falcon doesn't shit talk like the crows do

[near leaf]

Lets make a minion thats invulnerable, and deals infinite amount of dmg

https://tenor.com/view/my-girl-seal-friendship-its-a-deal-seal-spit-gif-17005706

[mossy coral]

I too wanna make backflips when 7 crows carries my fat ass

Vlad I need a wall of nothing 😭

How huge would it be? HUUUGE

[near leaf]

I need to sleep

[marble cypress]

Vlad, can you delete Falconer for me?

[near leaf]

I try to craft exalted items, kept adding the wrong affix

....

[marble cypress]

Just, like, kindly ask them to

[near leaf]

Ill sneak in through the back door, and put a bullet in its birdy face

[naive igloo]

so chat, swarmblade bees? trash? Cash?

[near leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

[naive igloo]

no my bees!

i guess rogue decoy flask bees it is

[near leaf]

I mean, I got a friend at 650 C with BM bees

But swarmblade locusts bees sound attrocious

[naive igloo]

but its more bees per bee

BpM

[near leaf]

bpb ?

[naive igloo]

bees per minute

[patent dock]

Locusts are terrible and bees take a lot of effort to make decent

[mossy coral]

My health is fighting for its life

[patent dock]

lol

[near leaf]

Thats a lot of mana regen

[mossy coral]

Only 41 atm, got loads of things that has not a lot of value

Healing effect is pretty good for maelstroms healing, seems to be better than just regen

[near leaf]

Do you have the ward per maelstrom too ?

[mossy coral]

No, just random amulet that gives apathy

Will be x100 times better with it

[winged swallow]

Yeah I'll fury leap into a group of mobs. They will go to like 7000 stacks of armor shred and my game will crash. Btw my only form of armor shred is the 100% on storm bolts from the GS skill tree

That's SO many storm bolts coming out. it's hilarious

[mossy coral]

I think I'll settle for mana boots and stay cold, could just keep up 10 ignites on me which only gave 300 ward which isn't enough for the investment

[winged swallow]

I have area effect increases. So maybe the storm bolt is hitting multiple enemies at once and multiplying for each instance of damg?

[crude cosmos]

Where are all the stormbolts coming from?

[mossy coral]

Isn't it just Repeats and cast on other enemies? Expended stacks do get expanded in 1 tick now iirc

[winged swallow]

GS at 50 stacks perma, I have two-eyed storm and looming cloud, Maelstrom casting them per second, and Fury leap casting them while I leap. And the shaman node that makes indirect storm bolts have a chance to cast again

I think two-eyed storm is the thing going bonkers

[marble cypress]

I love storm stacking

[winged swallow]

Oh yeah something fishy do be happening. The boss was at 300 armor shred stacks consistently. Then a single enemy walked close to him and he instantly jumped to 1000+

Shame no "real" bosses actually have adds where this can be useful

[raven sluice]

did anyone check thoroughly if any of the AoE modifiers in Maelstrom are multiplicative?

[sly bobcat]

i was gonna ask if you meant falcon, then i saw the context of the conversation above lol

[mossy coral]

Seems like the only node that affects Tsunamis area besides the dmg/area node is "Turmoil" which increases the area by 25% each point, doesn't scale with each stack of maelstrom though. Seems like it's fixed, AoE difference is about 1 meter in game.

The one that reduces area isn't affecting tsunami

So no nothing impactful

30 maelstrom stacks and you hit the whole screen, not just visually

[iron jetty]

How does eq BM restore mana? Just swipe? That doesn't seem enough

Especially when stuff dies fast

Bear eq

[mossy coral]

Yep just swipe, welcome to Primalist.

[iron jetty]

That sucks tho when pet kill fast and I got no mana to jump

[mossy coral]

You either use Swipe, Tempest strike or Gathering Storm but Swipe is usually the best because it gives melee buffs and 9 mana/hit

Mana regen I guess, or attunement to lower the cost of warcry, make it cost less mana or something

[iron jetty]

Oh ok

I'm might stick with abom Necro they feels way easier lol

Just set up and blast. No problems to solve

The top ladder bear eq just has one 13% mana regen gear

I gotta watch his vids

Dunno how to play this without wanting to stop playing

[mossy coral]

You using what he does, skills wise?

[iron jetty]

Ya mostly

I run out after one rotation and hope an enemy is alive

To hit

Feels like trash

[mossy coral]

And the rotation is?

[iron jetty]

Jump in, shout, put on frenzy totem

When bear uses my eq it uses my mana tho

[mossy coral]

iirc you're mostly using warcry and swipe. Frenzy totem or maelstrom depending on build

Oh really now, I missed that change

[iron jetty]

Or maybe I took a wrong node that is causing that

I'll double check

But it sucks

[crude cosmos]

May I ask how you are at 50 stacks perma?

[iron jetty]

Also forgot about bear roar mana cost.

Now I see why most BM on ladder are just frog

[patent dock]

The three repeat node drains your mana now

It's still good to grab though

[iron jetty]

Oh that sucks

How do I sustain?

[winged swallow]

Attack speed

I don't have a storm stack dump. I just let it cook at 50 stacks sense it got buffed to just instant dump anything over 50

[ornate scroll]

what is your builld?

[neon seal]

luck?

[candid topaz]

guys is there a good place to find a list of all the corrupted modifiers on items? The maxroll shows that I can get 10 to all attributes on a 2 handed axe but yet last epoch tools did not have that in the corrupted list.

or can it roll any affix and just a small chance for the special corrupted ones?

[proud basin]

if I rune of corruption that unique helmet, beside adding a random corruption mod, does it has a brick chance? like making the item turn into another helmet entirely?

[mossy coral]

You can search in Lastepochtools.com or be in a planner, click an item individually and see what corruption it can get

[candid topaz]

so I guess my question is can it get only the special corrupted modifiers or can it get any? the Maxroll build I see shows that they are getting +10 to all attributes on their weapon but I did not see that on the list for the 2 handed axes when I was looking around

[winged swallow]

Physical Gathering Storm. While focusing on storm bolts

[lavish scaffold]

you got a planner you would share?

[unreal kraken]

if I have +10 melee physical damage and I convert a skill that does physical to cold, that will still remain as physical after conversion, right?

[candid topaz]

actually does anyone have a updated frog build?

[mossy coral]

I'm actually not sure if everything is accurate on maxroll, I think what exist on lastepochtools is correct and I can see that 2h axes can get +10 to all attributes

[candid topaz]

Ok, I just wasn't sure if it could corrupt with a basic affix or if it could only do the corrupted ones.

[mossy coral]

It can't be both, it's either or

[winged swallow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdzJKgWO

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (22) / Shaman (66)

General:

▸ Health: 6,802, Regen: 1,143.45/s
▸ Mana: 354.51, Regen: 23.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 34/s
▸ Attributes: 111 Str / 41 Dex / 41 Int / 93 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 106% / 98% / 106% / 118% / 103% / 134% / 108%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,412
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (223)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 77% (10,015)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Warcry / Earthquake / Fury Leap / Maelstrom

[limpid veldt]

does the "shockwave" node contribute to bossing in upheaval?

I wonder if I should take that node for sabertooth build

[patent dock]

No

[mossy coral]

It doesn't do anything for single target

[limpid veldt]

since the "erupting earth" and its sub-nodes are sufficient for farming anyway

[rare scarab]

okay i got my eq bear bm online at level 40 its kicking ass lol

mana kinda of annoying tho

[wise mica]

Yeah every time you corrupt you can brick an item (no longer equipable), it can switch to a trash yellow item, it can roll with lowest possible stats. I think those are the bad things that can happen. So its always a gamble when doing it.

[proud basin]

only do this when got a spare copies then

[winged swallow]

yup

Get a item for that slot that is comfy for you then you corruption roll every other gear upgrade you find. And slowly climb up that ladder

But ALWAYS make sure you got a fallback plan piece of gear

[rare scarab]

damn frogs progress on the ladder halted once they nerfed it by 60%

This build is very interesting, Fire Crows:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A14vvPLK

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (78) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 4,494, Regen: 592/s
▸ Mana: 241.7, Regen: 9.28/s
▸ Ward Retention: 276%, Regen: 193/s
▸ Attributes: 105 Str / 18 Dex / 105 Int / 17 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 113% / 89% / 125% / 96% / 95% / 39%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 1,339
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (72)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 56% (3,872)

Used skills:

Summon Storm Crows / Tempest Strike / Swipe / Summon Frenzy Totem / Summon Spriggan

This build has a guide:

Insane Fire Crows Beastmaster — Final Build Guide | Crazy Boss Damage And Clear Speed by Pixel Aptitude

[rare scarab]

Is it better than Storm Crows?

[proud basin]

u mean the highest rank frogs on ladder right now is losing 60% of their power?

[rare scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlDBgU5B74s

[proud basin]

so the corruption rank was before the unique idol bugfix?

[rare scarab]

i think it wasn't too far behind, they barely went up after the nerf

big nerf

[proud basin]

warpath isn't doing so good comparing to shadow rend and ballista either

capping it at 10s seemed big on their top end

shadow rend league rn

[rare scarab]

eq bear nerf was stupid its just anoying to play now tbh

this whole class is clunky

[high stratus]

Apparently the new 5/5 WF 1200ish mana setup is ahead for the first 50s of continuous spinning or something like that

[rare scarab]

feels like im playing some alpha build

[high stratus]

After 50s the old 1/5 setup is dealing more

[viscid ingot]

question for minion gamers if you get plus to level of a minion does that increase their damage at base or would it only increase the damage by the points you would put in after?

[high stratus]

Just the skill points

[rare scarab]

so last patch EQ cast by bear didn't cost mana/

?

[patent dock]

Right

[lofty rover]

No lightning crow or cold are superior than the fire version by a good amount

[rare scarab]

wow theyr eally want everyone to just play Rogue and Setninel 😄

[lofty rover]

Any builds by pixel aptitude are mid at best just FYI

[rare scarab]

well ill try to get mana and mana regen on 1 of the weapons

[limpid veldt]

But isnt it still the best for farming corruption right now?

[rare scarab]

Dunno tbh i was just looking at ladder but i guess pushing isn't same as farming

[proud basin]

if u don't mind holding down 1 button then i think warpath is better

else i like frog

[limpid veldt]

I think bear has better aoe now

Due to minion cdr idols

[rare scarab]

but how does one sustain all that mana

if bears hitting EQ every second 😄

bears seems ultra tanky too

[limpid veldt]

Bruh bear eq does not consume your mana?

[rare scarab]

its consuming my manas maybe I did it wrong?

[limpid veldt]

Or did they make bear eq consume your mana now?

[limpid veldt]

Idk

I played in ss3 and none of my mana is lost

[rare scarab]

game is kinda deadish hard to find updated guides or anyone that playd bears eq on twitch/yt for S4

[rare scarab]

but it certainly does it for me atm

[proud basin]

this one doesnt consume

[limpid veldt]

The you should record video and report bug

Pretty sure no mana is consumed

[rare scarab]

im hopnig its a bug 😄

[winged swallow]

Yup was changed because EQ is one of the strongest but also one of the most mana intensive skills in the game. Casting it for free is insane

[rare scarab]

Okay i retested it still takes mana after removing and reskilling

[rare scarab]

how about Abomination tho. My necro doesn't have to do anything but walk around. I guess they like that class more?

[mossy coral]

It shouldn't consume your mana, it does if you have the EQ hit 3 times. That was changed before cause it was free

[limpid veldt]

I dont get it

So eq bear consumes your mana in this season now?

[rare scarab]

isn't the 3 hit talent required tho

[mossy coral]

It's good but not required

More of a bossing node though

[lofty rover]

That's the whole point of bear bossing cause clear is awful

[rare scarab]

which bm build has absolute best clear

[lofty rover]

Idk abomination is more disgusting this season either new idols so big win for them

[rare scarab]

or primsalist in general

[lofty rover]

Frogs most likely

[rare scarab]

which one cooldown one?

[limpid veldt]

Frog?

For primalist in general I think we should consider tornado shaman

[lofty rover]

Yep piramid altar goes huge with the cdr 200 ez cdr from idols alone

[limpid veldt]

Which was overshadowed by its bear version in ss3

Also bear should have better clearing now

Due to minion cdr idols

[lofty rover]

Still too slow

[rare scarab]

how about tornado druid bear

[lofty rover]

Meanwhile abo slaps eith huge aoe and runs like a mach missile

Idk i play minion primalists and frogs clear like crazy and scale insanely well

[rare scarab]

is frogs bm tankier than abom necro? they get like 100% shield block while still putting out insane dmg so i dont think so ?

[limpid veldt]

Im not sure

I use dual weapon to maximize their dmg

[lofty rover]

No

[limpid veldt]

Using shield hurts their dmg a lot

[lofty rover]

Abo necro has maxed blocked and above 7k ward with brew belt that gives insane recovery when you seem like you are dead i would know after all those uber attempts 😅

[rare scarab]

the 40% dr from bear roar is cool at least 😛

for bear eq

[proud basin]

are these 2 items completely different?

how do I make the "reforged" thing?

[limpid veldt]

Also I think we can consider this for clear

[rare scarab]

i see a druid like way way above any bm clear for leaderboard, hes using nado bear

[limpid veldt]

And also reflect shaman

[rare scarab]

this dude,
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Pang_E/character/totem

[limpid veldt]

Isnt it gutted in this season?

[rare scarab]

3800

highest bm is 2700 EQ Bear

[winged swallow]

tornado bear got massive buffed this season. But it's skill floor got nerfed like hell

But it's ceiling went higher

[rare scarab]

how so?

[winged swallow]

The tornado changes buffed it. But the transformation changes nerfed the skill floor of the setup so now you need way more mana regen for it

[limpid veldt]

In other words

You must have xylem now?

[rare scarab]

i see

yeah hes using xylem

and those stardials with manaregen/attunement

[limpid veldt]

How about convert to apathy?

[rare scarab]

nope just eye of storm with crit multi and +1 skills

[winged swallow]

apathy would kill you

with how much tornadoes you spam

[rare scarab]

3 of the 1% regen per 100 mana idols

i played that build like 2 season ago didn't like the playstyle felt weird

i might try again tho

copy whatever that guy is doing 😄

[limpid veldt]

But is the bear version more powerful than the shaman version now?

[rare scarab]

i guess it should be i dont see a shaman anywere near that on lb

but then again not enough people are playing either to tell. and i havn't played much s4

[limpid veldt]

Because shaman has reflect, totem and avalanche which are all good clear options?

Why bear literally has nothing else better?

Hmm but I think bear is still better

Bear form has many lightning multi and added spell dmg

[raw elm]

been lucky with this one, really jump up my HP

[sly bobcat]

nice

[raw elm]

I wonder about 3.5 k HP as you mention, is bonus 15% when in werebear form count for this? like I have 3091 HP in human form and 3331 HP in Bear From

Should I push it further to have 3.5K Hp base in Human form?

oh ahe throne really help, I killed Julra highest tier so much faster

[crude cosmos]

Nice! Happy to hear it helped

[mellow kestrel]

That gear is disgusting omg

[cyan ruin]

Is the maxroll filter for void knight erasing strike build updated for season 4?

[cyan ruin]

Woops wrong class

[potent mesa]

why is primalist locked like this?

[near leaf]

Did you choose to be a beast master?

[potent mesa]

i see

[raw elm]

if you're new to this game then, you can change your mastery class via that NPC who can reset your passive tree

[potent mesa]

i appreciate you but no im not new ❤️

[polar vortex]

Am I seeing a cold swipe build? Please share, kind sir

[raw elm]

no it's cold Stormbolt Rampage Werebear

[potent mesa]

Just so im not confused. In bear form. Swipe does benefit from the weapon youre using, right? lol

[polar vortex]

Ah fair enough.

[tranquil lintel]

why do you actually have to hit locusts with swarm strike. Feel like it really should just consume your current number of locusts and it would feel so much better to use

[wise leaf]

because primalist has to be clunky

[tranquil lintel]

sadge

[high stratus]

ngl primalist feels like the only class with mana costs sometimes

don't get me wrong, every class has ways of spending a lot of mana but it's usually for giga scaling rather than a price of entry so to speak

[wise leaf]

Yeah

[raw elm]

i'm still new to this game crafting system. what is the easiest way to slot some source of haste into my current gear?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om6rOG58

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 94

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (13) / Shaman (15) / Druid (59)

General:

▸ Health: 3,608, Regen: 98.79/s
▸ Mana: 778.17, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 21/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 3 Dex / 3 Int / 84 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 91% / 64% / 79% / 78% / 83% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 1,017
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (49)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,451)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 50%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Maelstrom / Warcry / Gathering Storm / Tornado

[high stratus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/haste/sources that's every way to get haste in the game.

I suggest you unspec the storm bolts bit from maelstrom and get haste & frenzy instead

it's only 1 storm bolt per second for single target, barely does anything and costs a lot of points

[quaint trail]

Yo, sry. if wrong chat
can someone help with pricing?

[raw elm]

wait a sec

I jsut see it, it is under my nose all this time, thank for addressing it

[high stratus]

are you trying to spam maelstrom for tsunami or spam tornado for storm bolts on your build?

[raw elm]

maelstorm is just for tsunamai skill and +1% flat crit per stack for the storm bolt so I don't need the dmg node

[high stratus]

either way power of the storm is kinda weak

I noticed in your gathering storm tree you have some stuff for storm stacks but AFAICT you don't generate any storm stacks

are you following a tornado bear build from 1.3?

[raw elm]

no no hmm point that I put in storm stack node cuz I don't have anyway to put point anymore

[high stratus]

because the reason for bear form was to restore your mana, which it doesn't do anymore

that mana cheating got nerfed in 1.4

[raw elm]

my concept is only stay in werebear form and just press only rampage button

as you said, I see the swap form build but it's not my current build

mine is Cold Stormbolt Rampage ONLY Werebear

but I wonder about what you said about the the kinda weak

Do you ahve any suggestion?

[high stratus]

it's not something I'm familiar with, I know rampage stormbolts is a decent levelling build but I've never really played a druid myself

[raw elm]

I didn't finish Normal Abberoth yet and still at 237 corruotion, I'm pretty new to this game and I just put EVERYTHING that can proc stormbolt in to this build so I don't even sure it is enough for Normal Abber

[iron jetty]

You gotta go tornado bear for it to be good

[high stratus]

Tornado is by far the best storm bolt proccer for player damage

it does dramatically more storm bolts per second and per mana (for the options that cost mana)

[winged swallow]

😄

I always gear within my limits

[raw elm]

what is reliable way to proc Tornado in Bear Form? (without the unique gloves)

[high stratus]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/tornado-shaman-guide
Tornado bear is dead AFAIK, sure there are some damage benefits to dumping all your mana into tornadoes and then switching into bear but really it was just a way to cheat mana.

This is a current tornado storm bolts build better than most

[iron jetty]

You gotta swap forms

[iron jetty]

How can it be dead when the top Primalist is tornado bear, and above BM by like 2000 corruption levels?

Maybe someone found a way

Does rage on crit give mana for your hidden mana bar?

[high stratus]

no

only mana regen works

[high stratus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Pang_E/character/totem okay look at this planner

[iron jetty]

Interesting. I dunno how he's doing 4600c then

[high stratus]

it's the best version of what you're aiming for that you'll find I think

he definitely isn't triggering tornado in bear form

[iron jetty]

Maybe he kills a pack and goes afk for 20 sec and does it again. Lol.

I'm gonna try it later

[high stratus]

maybe it's bugged

[iron jetty]

Could be those idols while having 2000 mana

And the chest with 200 lightning resist

Tons of manaregen

[high stratus]

1% increased mana regen per 100 mana should work out to 1 mana/s per 1250 max mana.

It doesn't sound good to me, unless it's not what it says it is and actually some %max mana regen

planner doesn't count those corruptions but it says he has 17.5 mana/s

[loud gulch]

if i double wield those, will i summon 8 ghosts per totem?

[iron jetty]

Maybe with foot of mountain and reduced mana cost tornado it's enough for it to not be terrible

[loud gulch]

would that be increase or decrease in thorn totem shaman? 😄

[high stratus]

you tell me

[raven sluice]

my tsunami became an avalancher instead, it just doesnt seem like maelstroms at 30 stacks do enough dmg

I guess if you look at it from a dmg per mana, it's more fair

but dmg per cast, maelstrom/tsunami got quite beat

since that is split in like 5 for maelstrom/tsunami

[high stratus]

what am I looking at in the passives columns?

[raven sluice]

uhm, I did it just for my own sake, but I can make a rundown on how I noted it down for myself:

"Big Multi":

• 2 points in Turmoil (travel) (2/2)
• 1 point minimum in Beneath The Waves (1 free maelstrom per second while constantly casting) (1/3)
• 4 points in Arctic Chill (travel) (4/7)
• 1 point in Tsunami (unlocking the subskill) (1/8)
• 3 points in Typhoon (almost all the dmg scaling, erred cuz here I got 25 stacks giving 1500% more dmg) (3/11)
• 4 points in Whirlpool (duration for more scaling from typhoon) (4/15)

Turbulence: 80% more dmg (16%/pt, 5) (lvl 20)
Eye of the Storm: 100% more dmg (25%/pt, 4) (lvl 24)
Frozen Abyss: 40% more dmg (10%/pt, 4) (lvl 28)
Cyclone: 30% more dmg at 30 stacks (1pt, 2pts travel) (erred cuz here I got 30 stacks but above I got 25 stacks) (lvl 31)

[high stratus]

Does beneath the waves work like that?

[raven sluice]

afaik yup

I suppose you want 2 pts

cuz with 1 point you get "breakpoints" due to cooldown not ticking when on max stacks (and that being one is bad)

[high stratus]

Beneath The Waves
If you go one second without directly casting Maelstrom you gain a stack of Lagon's Slumber...
I read that as like it starts a timer after your last direct cast that resets if you cast again and when that timer completes you get a stack.

never tested it tho

[raven sluice]

might be

I thought it was constantly applying the buff

with intervals of 1 second

from when you last could gain any stacks of the buff

[high stratus]

if it is just an extra cast per second that's pretty cool

[raven sluice]

so with 1 point it would be:
say 0.4s cast time
T0: Cast Maelstrom
T0.4: Cast Maelstrom
T0.8: Cast Maelstrom
T1: Gain Lagon's Slumber and stop counting it up
T1.2: Cast Maelstrom and gain an extra, Beneath the Waves start working again
T1.6: Cast Maelstrom
T2: Cast Maelstrom
T2.2: Gain Lagon's Slumber
T2.4: Cast Maelstrom with extra cast

with 2 pts, you'd not have breakpoints like that ^ (poe knowledge for the record)

idk what it actually does though

[high stratus]

idk how ferocity in warcry interacts with whirlpool either

[raven sluice]

same

I would assume it triggers them

[high stratus]

whirlpool doesn't say it needs a direct cast

[raven sluice]

idr for sure

[high stratus]

but I've seen tsunami builds using warcry but skipping ferocity

so maybe it doesn't?

[raven sluice]

depends on if youre crit maybe

[high stratus]

seems tough to get crit chance for tsunami too

[raven sluice]

if youre not tsunami crit, it's bad

[raven sluice]

ye

[high stratus]

I want channeled avalanche to be good but it looks rough

does not give you many storm stacks

[tardy frost]

it's been obvious/known since the rework that Avalanche is the highest DPET skill on primalist by far, its only issue is unsustainable mana usage

[high stratus]

Damage Per E? T?

[tardy frost]

damage per execute time

[raven sluice]

earthquake could give it a run for it's money potentially, but it got slightly nerfed due to bear

[tardy frost]

even disintegrate is barely playable in the best builds and it's the best channeled spell we've got, channeled avalanche doesn't stand a chance

[raven sluice]

but avalanche might have even been better before, idr*

[high stratus]

avalanche has 8x as much ADE unspecialised (ignoring aftershocks, which I probably shouldn't but big EQ damage trees spec them away anyway)

don't get me wrong, EQ's skill tree is much much stronger

[raven sluice]

earthquake used to be absurdly points hungry with huge multipliers though

[high stratus]

but it has quite a gap to close by default

I don't get why so many avalanche multis are Hit only, I know the skill hits a lot but it's no more affordable as an ailment applicator than it is as a hit/crit vehicle

[high stratus]

that's got the double whammy of being channeled and spelldot both of which are usually bad.

Chavalanche at least does 6+ hits per second and is quite affordable mana wise & has a good amount of flat crit on the tree on a node you want for other reasons too

[mossy coral]

I kinda hear you on that one, I hope it gets better but me at 25-30 stacks is doing 1.4m on boss dummy at the moment and I'm far from okay gear. I'm missing multis and increases but I still think it doesn't hit that high

[raven sluice]

I think this was earthquake last season? not sure this had all the multipliers allocated, I guess avalanche is significantly higher

[mossy coral]

I also wish it was every 4th instead of 5th, would feel way better

[raven sluice]

yeah, I think we need more stacks to make it good

[mossy coral]

It's a ramping skill, I get 15+ very fast and 25-30 on champions/bosses. If I don't move I get stacks faster but I want to move for my boots gives me ward

[raven sluice]

I want to move to activate frenzy, aspect of the boar, haste, julra ring

[tardy frost]

nah I don't think that being hit based does anything to salvage channeled ava

btw folks quick question, if I use ancestral pack on saber with ancestral sabers, the buff should still only go to the primary saber right? As ancestral sabers are a subskill that should have level 0?

[raven sluice]

fastest way to get all the empowered harbingers, is that to pump one timeline and catch the others up or do them one at a time?

[raven sluice]

I think so? The Ancestral Sabers are so weird though, usually they dont even get the panther saber tree stats. But then they randomly get other things

[high stratus]

What do you think would be a fair mana cost for ava with no other changes?

[mossy coral]

Also to cast 5 maelstroms/second you need 240% cast speed, you're also fighting for your mana with that many for it to feel better

[raven sluice]

ngl, I think avalanche just needs faster drop time

[mossy coral]

It's such a delayed attack

[raven sluice]

or maybe 100% more small boulders + 100% more total area (but not boulder area)

just make it not miss moving targets, even if apathy shaman is way more comfortable than spriggan mana reset

[tardy frost]

same goes for meteor, except it's even worse as it has a fall speed point tax in its tree

[raven sluice]

nuking your entire mana pool just for the mage to teleport felt awful

[raven sluice]

damn

[mossy coral]

If you're playing aftershocks it takes about 2 seconds from hit to landing and that gameplay feels like you're playing on high ping

[raven sluice]

hmm, do I want halvar set bonus or twisted heart?

[mossy coral]

Halvar feels better imo

[raven sluice]

my current relic giga died to corruption

[raven sluice]

probably yup

since I actually main avalanche atm

why cant I start the an echo chain from end of time? just a bug?

[mossy coral]

The good thing about tsunami is omen windows, explode every monster in there 🌊

[raven sluice]

avalanche is so much more dmg though

[mossy coral]

With perfect idols I could technically also use boulders or even EQ loop with perfect attunement on every gear

(cold dmg/totem + chance to cast boulder on spell cast)

[iron jetty]

How far can the nerfed 9 frog BM get without red rings ?

[raven sluice]

woop, 19 all res blessing

I feel so clunky in so many ways with how I'm gearing, idk why

maybe it's that I started out on MG last season, so there's been a while since I made a fresh start on CoF

on the one hand, I'm not struggling hard, but on the other hand it feels like I'm trying to sail a ship that's leaking or unfinished in 20 different places

I made a great gate staff for tsunami, kind of hurting on avalanche though

[rare scarab]

i had to give up on EQ Bear. I don't know how to fix the mana problem.

I dont kno whow the handful of people playing it on ladder are doing that

I might try frogs instead then

or just stay with easy Abom Necro.

[high stratus]

blood specters

[wind schooner]

Hi, I'm leveling up my first character and I want to focus on electric damage with two weapons. What skills do you recommend?

[rare scarab]

I play the regular version its easy to gear

1 lp can do like 1500c+

meanwhile i can't even get my pRimalist builds working at all

too much anti-QOL ninja nerfs

[raven sluice]

oh, lmao

I was like "why cant I enter this echo chain??? why cant I enter this echo chain???" then I realise I already completed it

[high stratus]

primalist deserved the visit from the anti-QOL fairy, clearly bear EQ was too smooth to play in 1.3

not at all clunky and only rescued by absurd damage numbers

[raven sluice]

what funny stuff can I do with autocast upheaval?

shatter totems? But I'm LL and that would heal me

[mossy coral]

Loool, happens to me all the time. I think the new echo look sucks, everything looks the same

[raven sluice]

it's a bit unclear yup

[mossy coral]

Set, unique looks the same as glyphs and all other rewards, even searching now doesnt help

[mossy coral]

Nothing, that node was created for shatter totem and killed by the change. (And mana cost)

[rare scarab]

i didnt play last season tbh i was just looking for a fun feeling build. yeah the cd/buff management is whatever but this mana stuff is so lame now

i just took all the cloth off my character and went back to my Abom Necro

i wanan fight mobs not the game

[high stratus]

from avalanche?

you can trigger EQ I guess

[rare scarab]

is tornado bear bad to play too now after nerf?

[high stratus]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Pang_E/character/totem this guy doesn't seem to think so but I have no idea how he's sustaining mana

[rare scarab]

hmm nice

[raven sluice]

cast and go werebear for rage on hit

regen in bear and have some of that back when back to human

[rare scarab]

rage on hit give mana?

[raven sluice]

nah

but when he's a bear, exciting bolts should drain rage which he sustains

[rare scarab]

oh

[raven sluice]

then when he goes back to human, he gets some mana from the regen that would have occured when he was in bear

[rare scarab]

i dont think i can afford that setup atm but ill try it one day

unless its doable on 1lp

[high stratus]

doesn't that only get him back up to 300? at 300 mana bolts should cost 3 and get him 3 back

idk what friend of the tempest is doing for him, he doesn't seem to have any lightning minions unless he uses unspecialised crows

[stoic sand]

Anyone figure out any secret sauce for nature's wrath, I think I'm throwing in the towel and swapping to tornado or avalanche lol.

[rare scarab]

uhh nvmind those idol combos aren't even in the AH

i guess ill corrupt myself some

[raven sluice]

he's got 12 rage on kill or boss hit

in werebear

[high stratus]

unless 1% regen per 100 mana is a misleading description then it's shit

that's 8 mana regen per 10000 mana

[raven sluice]

ah, hmm

he's got too high mana

at 2k mana, his exciting bolts is capped at 300% dmg, but drains 20 mana?

and his werebear should only give 12

[high stratus]

nah the drain is capped at 1000 too

IIRC

at most the bolts cost you 10 mana for 300% more damage

maybe being above 1000 just lets him cast a lot of tornadoes without dipping below max storm bolt damage

[mossy coral]

I walk around with 10k mana so what its a good affix

[high stratus]

only mana regen should actually recover his mana pool unless there's been an EHG moment and it's bugged

[high stratus]

did you see the perfect offline gear xylem judgement aura video? he had like 6.1k mana lol

[mossy coral]

Loool no

Before or after thw buff?

[rare scarab]

hmm well im gonna try anyway since he does it 😄

[raven sluice]

I think it just gives him regen from omen idols, plus he probably didnt even try and got it anyway possibly

with the staff, he gets 1400 mana from attunement alone

[high stratus]

#🔱┃sentinel message 6.6k mana my bad

[mossy coral]

He shouldve had the mana to ward boots

[high stratus]

gotta protect that 12k hp pool

[candid topaz]

is it worth having the crow in frog build for armor shred?

I feel like getting up to 50 stacks is not really alot

man they really forgot about pet classes when they did the corrupted system. I dont see a single corrupted affix that does anything for your minons

feels bad

[raven sluice]

wut, there's a lot of res and shit for minions

or minions immune to ailments

[candid topaz]

I see it on the idols but never on actual gear

[raven sluice]

I find it annoying I corrupt a random normal idol and get something that does nothing for me cuz I dont use minions

[candid topaz]

am I just that unlucky?

[raven sluice]

for gear idk, a lot of stuff is defensive, some stuff is just like lvl of all skills

[candid topaz]

sad

[raven sluice]

primalist has the annoying void minion relic I keep getting that I dont want

guile and apathy can indirectly affect minions

[candid topaz]

thats really about it for frogs xD

[limpid veldt]

hmm

maxroll just updated their bossing tier based on uberroth kill time

for some reason bear is even behind ES and judgement aura now

[candid topaz]

well yeah

[limpid veldt]

is bear nerfed that much?

[candid topaz]

LE loves that class

but hates BM

it has been confirmed

[limpid veldt]

oh

but does bear deals even less dmg than them now I wonder?

[candid topaz]

probably

[limpid veldt]

I have not tried bear yet

in this season

[near leaf]

Just play rogue and kill Uber in 6 sec

[candid topaz]

right

that

for how many seasons

do they go untouched

but yet we nerfed frogs and bear?

because someone had fun once

like even if they kept the frog bug from this season I still think they would of got out preformed over pally and rogue

[limpid veldt]

also

[candid topaz]

I can only assume the devs mostly play pally and rogue

only reason not to nerf them

[limpid veldt]

they ranked multistrike smite vk to have 3+ min uber now

[candid topaz]

I really hope next season no one plays primalist so the charts show how bad they are doing with this class lol

[limpid veldt]

so right now I'm not really sure about the accuracy of their ranking

[tardy frost]

Lol bro mage had been in the gutter for 3 patches in a row and they didn't give a shit

[candid topaz]

they had LB they nerfed

so they got something xD

a nerf

[limpid veldt]

LB still OP right now

[candid topaz]

correct

but still nerfed

same with frogs

but yet we buffed pally

which was also OP

so that point doesn't mean much

the issue is pally and rogue never see nerfs in how many season

but yet they are still willing to balance other classes

Like I dont mind nerfs but they need to spread the love to all the classes or just dont nerf at all

It is a PVE game

[near leaf]

I mean judgement got nerfed last season

[candid topaz]

was it?

[limpid veldt]

yes

[near leaf]

Yup

[limpid veldt]

it's one of the worst build vs uber right now

it would receive an insane amount of fragility

[mossy coral]

Sentinel is just good overall with every skill imo, they also have everything solved in their passives/skills. They got mana recovered and pretty much ever single thing you'd want exist in a passive tree

Nerfs isn't impacting as hard as it does on other classes, there's a lot more to fall back on

[limpid veldt]

btw

shatterstrike takes 3+ min to kill uber based on maxroll ranking?

yep, their ranking is not fully updated or I'm not sure if I can really trust their ranking anymore

[fierce garnet]

I'm trying to level up my shaman with totems, at 70 lvl i'm getting wrecked by omens. Could you have a look at the build and tell me how can I improve it? https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/aTomek/character/ToBeeOrNotToBee

[candid topaz]

Also, does this look normal xD

[near leaf]

Oo

[mossy coral]

You have way too low health

[near leaf]

Where is the bonus?

[candid topaz]

going back to the old school

I am a classic gamer

[near leaf]

Wdym? Playing on an old version of the game?

[candid topaz]

lol no

I am joking

I think it was because I was going to turn down the corruption for my brother

[near leaf]

Ah OK

[candid topaz]

but we just joined his monos anyway so I ported out of my mono

and it just kinda bugged out the UI

playing co-op is like playing a different game

for it has like 3x the bugs xD

[high stratus]

at least it's blade dancer instead of falconer now

[raven sluice]

Wut, if blade dancer is good I might try rogue

[half gulch]

what is spriggan's healing totem's base healing? seems quite high, but doesn't say it in the skill

[raven sluice]

I assume that while in Tombs of the Erased EQ had 19.2k% DE (192 times base dmg), Avalanche has like 25k%-30k% DE (250-300 times base dmg), the OP rogues have like 100k% (1000 times base dmg)?

[limpid veldt]

so in this season

marksman became bottom tier now?

I just see bladedancer and falconer now

last patch there was barely mention of bladedancer

woops

wrong channel

[mossy coral]

Bladedancer sucked the patches before

[limpid veldt]

but not anymore

top tier uber killer now

[mossy coral]

Yeah who would've guessed, such a mystery

[limpid veldt]

meanwhile marksman

it used to have a fire flask build

[mossy coral]

marksman still suffers from a shit tree and the squishiest class you can be

[limpid veldt]

and now with that gone

falconer is an interesting case right now

you can go recall umbral blades to kill uber in 3 sec

or go ballista for speed farming

btw what happened with the original umbral blades?

[trail cypress]

Playing the frog build and using Bear | Storm Crows | Warcry | Frenzy Totem | Leap. How much damage would I gain if I used Wolf in place of Warcry?

I stopped using Wolf cause I was getting annoyed by the Howl sound every few seconds lol

[candid topaz]

I think the wolf is alot better

I also dont really hear him much xD

[mossy coral]

Why are you using so many companions?

[candid topaz]

I am wondering if I should drop the crow

the maxroll

[iron jetty]

Ahh so primalist is least played this season. Makes sense too clunky unless it's to abuse 21 frogs which got cut

[candid topaz]

they only care about other classes

[trail cypress]

Yeah I wish there was a good way to test DPS. With a bunch minions it's a little hard to tell

[iron jetty]

The whole mana management sucks as does all this buff upkeep

[mossy coral]

I also think people are playing it less this season since it was all the rave last season so they play something new

[iron jetty]

On paladin it's all auto

I'm trying nado bear and it's plays so weird

Dunno why they nerfed it

[candid topaz]

How do you do your frogs? Maxroll uses bear and crow but I feel the crow adds nothing

the armor shread is like nothing

I still like using the 2 hander though

[mossy coral]

I don't do frogs but crow could add armor shred if you're not only having frogs

[candid topaz]

yeah but like is 30-60 armor shred worth it?

[mossy coral]

Bear I guess because it's still just strong

[candid topaz]

the bear is more for tanking and healing me

[iron jetty]

What corruption are the people who still play frogs doing atm

[mossy coral]

Yes.

[iron jetty]

I don't trust ladder since that could been last week people

21 frogs

[safe crescent]

As beautiful as the day I remember

[candid topaz]

well i guess you answered your question with why have so many companions in a frog build xD

[iron jetty]

I tried bear since that's the top BM clear but holy shit I can't even play it more than 1 min due to mana

[mossy coral]

Exactly what Wood said, if you had so many frogs why not have some companions to aid you even more

[iron jetty]

Why did they make eq costs mana if bear casts it

Meanwhile paladin auto clears all

[candid topaz]

I think they need to add some more Idols for max companions but make them akward so you cant abuse it. I would like a option to have more raptors and wolves tbh while also buffing frogs as well

[candid topaz]

because devs hate our class but love pally and rogue

[safe crescent]

I don't think minions or companions got mana but then again they already have cooldowns to balanace it from being spammed

[trail cypress]

Was 21 frogs the best build in the game until it got nerfed?

[candid topaz]

no

rogue still beat it by alot

21 frogs was just a little bump in dps

but you missed out on attack speed and stuff

and survivability

[trail cypress]

I get that it was sort of a bug that allowed it but it was such a fun build and cool interaction with the new corruption mechanic

[candid topaz]

well yeah

[trail cypress]

and itwas already nerfed by 33% or whatever

[candid topaz]

they only keep the game ruining bugs lol

[sleek prism]

Is there a trick to the 10 harbringer echo that grants 2 weaver points? I’ve been face rolling corruption 301 / t4 Julra but this echo feels unbeatable, did some big defensive gear swaps and still can’t get past 5-6 of the 10

[trail cypress]

idk I'm just kind of sad

[candid topaz]

I think they did this because a pally or falconer cried that our class was having fun xD

[iron jetty]

A lot of builds were better

[fierce garnet]

they hate frogs for some reason, that "fix" makes me want to quit

[iron jetty]

They also nerfed eq bears and nado bear

[candid topaz]

maybe krafton will fix it

[iron jetty]

Meanwhile falconer....

[candid topaz]

yup

[iron jetty]

A lot of big nerfs to make prima harder to play and gear

Now they are 12%

Lowest

[candid topaz]

well lets not talk about hte imprint nerf that actually is a buff for classes that only need 0lp - 1lp to run

Primalist always felt super clunky and just lacking over all other classes. Frogs happen and make them kinda cool but then they nerfed them. I think the devs are just out of touch when it comes to this class.

[iron jetty]

Anyone here know how to sustain mana on eq bear ? I'm sure it's doable since BM top clear is that build

[dawn pulsar]

What is the least painful way to level a shaman? For some reason I find primalist leveling very painful

[mellow kestrel]

They’re expecting a major rework + skill in next patch I think, which should address some of that.

[candid topaz]

That will be cool but I wont hold my breath. Good chance it will come out a buggy mess like some of the lich nodes and they will just forget about them.

I know I have learned my lession and will just start all seasons as a rogue or pally from now on

[iron jetty]

Hmm not enough prima players to help my issues

I could try message that top ladder guy

[candid topaz]

Out of the 30 prima players, you are only 1 of 5 that did bear EQ

[brazen wigeon]

If I wanted to use TRex on my Sabertooth build what's a good substitute for Inheritance of the Erased?

[candid topaz]

that amy is probably the most pain in the butt thing to get

They should of made that alittle easier seeing how BM just needs

[brazen wigeon]

To get with the right stats you mean?

[candid topaz]

yeah

first you need one with good weaver level

[brazen wigeon]

they always drop weavers will right

[candid topaz]

yeah but you need to get like 18-21 to be worth it

[brazen wigeon]

I just dropped one with 18, maybe worth imprinting?

[candid topaz]

I dont think you can imprint it? because it is a boss drop

[brazen wigeon]

ohhh makes sense

[candid topaz]

I am not 100% on that but I am pretty srue

thus more pain

but if you can get it to do what you want

it is a very good ring for one pet build

[brazen wigeon]

yeah

I was kinda thinking I wanted to use the TRex though

[candid topaz]

I tried EQ bear last season and I just could not with the amy

[brazen wigeon]

cause getting good idols for the idol relic

[candid topaz]

I just gave up lol

[brazen wigeon]

seems like pain

Which means that Ammy is less good

was wondering if there was a substitute

[candid topaz]

evo is the only replacement imo

[brazen wigeon]

oh

[candid topaz]

unless you need skill

[brazen wigeon]

also can't use that with the trex right

[mossy coral]

Will it get Madness like the other 10 amulets have?

[candid topaz]

you can use evo

with rex

[brazen wigeon]

It's not primordial?

[candid topaz]

nmope

I have frogs but still have evo

[brazen wigeon]

nice

[mossy coral]

Destroyed

[brazen wigeon]

are there any meta evolutions

I should take on that

or just whatever

[mossy coral]

It's SOOOOOOOO hard to get apathy, like insaaaanely hard

[candid topaz]

I got lucky with my 2 lp evo

I am not sure how sabor works but I know I wanted area minion and probably something that was not res but thats what I got xD

[brazen wigeon]

Evo guarantee drops every lineage right

[candid topaz]

correct

and 1 lp happens alot

[brazen wigeon]

lol

[candid topaz]

thats sexy

[brazen wigeon]

Just after I said I wasn't planning on using one

there's no runes or anything like that that reset Weaver's will right

[candid topaz]

I am not sure about reset but there is the ruin that will level the item so you dont have to kill stuff to do it

finally moving away from this

sadly this is the best I can do but atleast it has a better base

[mossy coral]

Finally just took 30 runes to get apathy and it got pretty much everything I want

[near leaf]

Oo

Mana regen go brrr

[mossy coral]

Look at that max roll holy moly

23 ward mmm

Healing effect should go hard

[candid topaz]

is mantle of the pale ox rare to find now

I have yet to find one

[mossy coral]

No, if you do prophecies it will be easy to get

[candid topaz]

never needed to do proph for it before

[mossy coral]

Or do blood frost and death

It has more armor rewards

[candid topaz]

I will have to try the rewards from blood but still feels alot rarer

like I understand there are ways to increase it but I guess what I am saying is that before I found them like candy just playing

never needed to target farm it

[mossy coral]

Life go up

Min rolled Xylem, health and mana would be like double which means even more ward

[near leaf]

Good old quin69

[mossy coral]

I like hearing someone yap yap yap yap, it fits the video though

Weaving enchants are so impactful I didn't even know it was T7

[north grotto]

is there any good filter out there for idols? mainly primalist, struggle to sort through them

[candid topaz]

just corrupted my evo end and it gave it the roll all minimum

big pain

[lofty rover]

His damage is indeed ass rofl

So the new thorn totem relic pretty much for leveling nothing crazy there in terms of endgame play?

[mossy coral]

My fury leap heals for 600

[candid topaz]

man why is this a thing lol

just wasted so much havoc ruins

went from almost 50 to 30 T_T

[mossy coral]

I'd say it makes thorn totem build way better, bad items and a random ancestral pack I obliterated 200c but I stopped there since I didn't find it super fun. I don't think I like minion builds anymore
I don't think it's super crazy endgame but can carry you hard at least

Wow that roll too Shadow

[candid topaz]

it was 2x better than the one I had

[lofty rover]

Shame I was hoping for like maybe thorn totem to be like playable in endgame builds all I have seen is upheaval shatter totem with it

[mossy coral]

30% and 62% ret is really good

[candid topaz]

here is the pooper I got now

[mossy coral]

Yeah decent one

[candid topaz]

I only corrupt if I have a backup because of reasons like the first one. but like if I do that I never have anythign for turtle lol

I wonder if we will see a drop in players using the turtle because they are too busy bricking items like I am lol

[mellow kestrel]

What the heck r u doin with apathy

Tsunamiiii?

[mossy coral]

Not a lot playing primalist, thorn totem is also really a pain in the butt to scale. So many specific affixes and matters a lot more due to the 100% more cast speed for a second

[mossy coral]

Yep, tsunami!

Always gamble folks

[raven sluice]

I keep getting legendary status removed

[mossy coral]

Be till det flygande spaghetti monstret 🙏

[raven sluice]

Apathy is awesome imo

[mossy coral]

Apathy applying to evade is hurting my build sadly

[candid topaz]

same

[raven sluice]

Jag brukar offra hedniska symboler innan jag gamblar

I don't believe in them so I sacrifice them in the name of fun and then go gamble

And then I get dunked

[mossy coral]

Took 30 runes for 1 apathy amulet, I get dunked as well

[candid topaz]

can I get +1 companion on a exalted ring if I corrupt it?

would like to find more ways to get more of a max limit

[mossy coral]

Nah

[candid topaz]

thats sad

[raven sluice]

Jag brukade önska att jag skulle kunna ta tillfället i en klardröm och slå ihjäl gud med en sked. Nöjde mig med att hoppa från jorden och flyga tillbaka in i den som en komet

[candid topaz]

they need to add more ways to get companion : (

I dont care if they made it hard or rare

just the chance would be cool

[mossy coral]

Wtf is this mumbo jumbo

[raven sluice]

Apathy is so good though imo

[raven sluice]

xD

[mossy coral]

It's nice for LL and the mana regen go brrrr, I'm trying my hardest to not be LL

[mellow kestrel]

@wise leaf hey do you have a best planner for your scorp poison?

Nvm found it

[candid topaz]

how is the scorp build?

[patent dock]

You pretty much gotta use a channeled skill or somehow all indirect casts

there's not a lot available that really scales all that well for non-LL apathy

Lightning spell EQ seems like it should be one of the best picks for it

you can kinda also force avalanche to be mostly lightning, too, but it sketchy

dual palarus melee EQ is also an option

[mellow kestrel]

Displate on my wall 🐺

[candid topaz]

how important is CD speed on my boots for frog build?

I kinda want to grab the hybrid health or maybe a stat

if I didn't have mana issues already I would probably go for it

but I oom pretty fast

[mossy coral]

Yeah and literally every skill consumes health including evade lmao

[mellow kestrel]

Taking the low life node and having capped endurance >.> surely safe

[mossy coral]

Spell EQ would be okay to use but you can also not use anything while waiting for EQ to come up again and that feels terrible

[patent dock]

lol

tbh one skill I think could also be interesting is judgment

maybe you end up with so much healing that it negates your health loss

otherwise, it's pretty rough to avoid healing as pally...

[patent dock]

I think the whole goal would be to not need to wait between EQs

[mossy coral]

I need this whirlpool buff perma

EHG 🙏

[unreal kraken]

can locust swarm actually scale well? trying to look at the numbers

[mossy coral]

Spammable spell = health loss though, that's the issue
But yes Judgement paladin would be pretty nice I think

Please hit apathy please please please

[patent dock]

Yeah, you'd do low life to ignore the health loss

[mossy coral]

Yep

[patent dock]

Depends on your goals, if you want to farm around 300c tops and don't care about doing uber, yeah you can run locust swarm

[mossy coral]

😭

[unreal kraken]

yea I'm looking and it doesn't really seem to have any scaling other than the # of locusts consumed

[raven sluice]

Non-LL apathy seems very rough

I'm just happy cuz I play LL primalist all the time

[patent dock]

These all scale locust swarm, personally I'm not a fan of bloodlust swarm though

and to supplement single target, I usually use aftershock idols with DOT aftershocks

[mossy coral]

Sit down pinnacle!

[unreal kraken]

the carnage node only specifies the swarm strike, does that also affect the swarm damage?

[mossy coral]

Don't need LL yet!

[patent dock]

Yeah, locust swarm is a subskill of swarm strike, so anything you give to it (other than non-applicable stuff like hit damage) applies to locust swarm also

[unreal kraken]

and just to be sure, if I converted it to cold, and had +melee physical, it won't convert the +physical to cold right?

its just the base which converts

[patent dock]

I'm not sure if earth stinger converts, it's a pretty tiny amount of flat damage so I don't bother, but any typed melee damage you add stays the same type, and untyped damage becomes half cold, half poison

(or half phys, half poison without the cold conversion)

[unreal kraken]

right

[patent dock]

the damage per locust is effectively +30 untyped, so it converts

[unreal kraken]

but all of it converts to cold? or 15 stays poison

[patent dock]

The cold conversion only converts the phys half to cold, other half stays poison

I'm not salty about them breaking that conversion in 0.9 at all

lol

[unreal kraken]

lol, what did they change?

it used to convert fully to cold? or

[patent dock]

Yeah

[unreal kraken]

how do you guys usually stack up maelstroms?

[iron jetty]

Is this guy cheating or using a special mechanism? 5k corruption druid way way above second one

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Pang_E/character/totem

[mellow kestrel]

It’s legit, pretty sure he had 1st 100 on softcore

It’s just a strong build, and the mana regen is absurd

[iron jetty]

Why are the other guys way below ?

I wanna try it but I feel I'm not gonna figure out a special trick he might be doing

There are no updates guides on the build

After nerf

[mossy coral]

Wdym absurd mana regen, it's just mid

[iron jetty]

Think he's doing some secret tech

[mellow kestrel]

On his rings, when he used traversal

[candid topaz]

wish it could get a better base

got 2 really good ones

[mossy coral]

2nd one is

[deft kiln]

WHAT are those pijamas?

[iron jetty]

What is the lowest CD you can get for bear form

[candid topaz]

I want to try squirrels and bee bleed

[candid topaz]

wish I could get a better base if I corrupt but sadly they did not want us to have the cool stuff lol

[iron jetty]

Is cooldown reduced multi or additive

[mossy coral]

uuuuh

[iron jetty]

So if I get 32% on belt and boots it's 64% less cooldowns ?

[mossy coral]

I found Shadows hat

[mossy coral]

Cooldown of the skill / 1+(your cooldown), so CD/1.64

[candid topaz]

thats my night time hat

I get cold at night

[mossy coral]

Cooldowns are additive btw

[iron jetty]

Nice

[stoic dawn]

Hello! Just joined the discord to as a question - There's a node in the gathering storm tree, is it bugged?

I'm running a swarmblade build with tornado and maelstrom to proc gathering storm but I never see extra malestrom stacks when I'm in locust form

it seems to work when I'm casting gathering storm by hand though in human form

[near leaf]

For that node you need to expand a storm stack

When you are in bug, are you generating storm Stacks?

[stoic dawn]

oh good point, doesn't look like it

[near leaf]

Or are you just proccing Storm Bolts with Maelstrom

[candid topaz]

all res or crit for minions?

[stoic dawn]

But why would I not be gathering storm stacks? gathering storm is getting procced

[patent dock]

You're proccing storm bolts, not the actual gathering storm skill

[near leaf]

You procc the Bolts without going through the storm Stacks

[stoic dawn]

oh I see

[near leaf]

It's the same thing with Tornado

[stoic dawn]

so that node was a mistake - I'm not actually using gathering storm at all, just the nodes that are associated with storm bolts

gotcha thanks guys!

[near leaf]

Toast... Help me

I want to make a Melee Shaman

Please tell me it sucks so I can move on

[mossy coral]

It suuuuuuuucks! /Toast

[subtle lodge]

Is stun immunity worth picking up for a support woof?

[potent mesa]

Whats the way to farm the +1 weaver relic for primalist?

best*

[hidden plume]

i would like better corruption

[wise mica]

how does frog build compare to last season? better or worse? (maxroll build)

[patent dock]

I would never do such a thing

Tell me more about this melee shaman, and is it a low health apathy stacking dual palarus EQ?
Oh, or maybe bane of winter hybrid?

[subtle lodge]

It wasn't nerfed at all was it?

[rare scarab]

i think 50% worse ?

or more

due to 30% nerf first then 21 to 9. Anyway lol falconer

they also made tornado bear and eq bear harder to play. But anyway lol paladin, vk, abom , etc.

Someone had it out for Primalist in 1.4

[subtle lodge]

I dunno, Frogs is still great.

Can't speak for the rest.

[rare scarab]

yeah i guess its still goodish. just that wehn u look at other classes

[subtle lodge]

I am very happy with it. Still my favourite minion build.

It's everything I wanted from a Necromancer build but oh well XD

And it can comfortably clear all content and 1000+ corruption even on HC so it's plenty good enough.

[rare scarab]

i prefer abom necro to it by far

[rare scarab]

you doing 1kc+ with nerfed version? how much worse does it feel

[subtle lodge]

At 1000 I haven't really noticed anything, I didn't even know it was nerfed XD

This is the first I am hearing of it lol

[rare scarab]

is it tanky at 1000? i havn't brought mine there yet just my necro

i stopped because it was nerfed lol

Im guessing it needs those 2 red rings?

[subtle lodge]

At 1000 it's tanky, last season I took it to 1500 before it became a bit dicey

[mellow kestrel]

YES

[subtle lodge]

This season it should be a lot more tanky potentially

[rare scarab]

what rings y ou use?

[subtle lodge]

2x Red

[rare scarab]

oh okay ya im gonna not bother lol

[subtle lodge]

I also opted for Cleaver Solution + Bastion but that is mostly because I am in HC

In SC I would go for more offence

I just love the minion army playstyle

And this is the best build in the game for that

Abom is better I think but I much prefer Frogs personally

And Frogs are still great

[rare scarab]

i like necro abom becaue its real cheap. can't afford red rings sadly

[subtle lodge]

Better clear too I think

Ahh, MG?

[rare scarab]

i made a primalist just to try out EQ Bear BM though. But it flopped badly

I think you need giga endgame gear to sustain the new mana cost or smoething

[subtle lodge]

I haven't play that build, from what I understand the clear sucks

Great for bossing though

[rare scarab]

its actually BMs highest corruption clear but it could have taken him a while

i just dont know how he regens mana in time

w/ the nerf

[subtle lodge]

Swipe probably

I think that is usually how BM gets their mana back right?

[rare scarab]

true but sometimes like the mobs die from bear and im left swiping nothing lol

i guess its only for high corruption were mobe live

[subtle lodge]

Hmm

[rare scarab]

with high minion cd hes spamming eq every sec and its sucking my HP in a second

err MP

[subtle lodge]

Yeah

I'm not sure, not a build I have played

[lavish scaffold]

is it just me or is this affix bugged?
it does nothing (and yes I have more than 7 corrupted items on)

I have it on a chest with 21 attunement, when I take the chest off I only lose 21 attunement

[subtle lodge]

Try unequip and reequip an item

[lavish scaffold]

I have several times

[subtle lodge]

I noticed a similar thing but unequipping and reequipping my belt fixed it

[sly python]

Well fire bug man is an overall success, time to move onto something else

[lavish scaffold]

on and off

[subtle lodge]

The chest or a different slot?

[lavish scaffold]

I have put on and off all of my items to see if that fixed it, no luck

[subtle lodge]

Odd

Odd bug all around

Not sure if it's visual or not either

Best report it though, the more reports the quicker it'll get fixed hopefully

[pastel pumice]

It does say with atleast 7 corrupted non idol items equipped though. Meeting that stipulation?

ah sorry, I just read back and saw yu do

ignore my inability to scroll back befor eI start typing

Anyone using Shaman, if you are staying the lightning, do you build out to storm bolt or stay regular lightning?

[mossy coral]

Wall of nothing!?

I never see anyone use that

[lavish scaffold]

It's seems pretty decent, I am running the totem shaman build

with Bones Primoridial offhand

[pastel pumice]

For teh Storm totem, do you take the node that converts it to storm bolt or stay with regular lightning?