🐺┃primalist

[near leaf]

Beast echo line

[high stratus]

what were you doing with it?

[near leaf]

Uniques gloves prophecies

[sly bobcat]

avalanche proccing storm bolts and spellquakes

[high stratus]

ah yeah, it's a cool idea. I'm pretty sure storm stack generation is behind GS melee setups but that's shaman melee

[long totem]

Any suggestions on other rings/helm/neck? Boots I probably just need to get reduced Crit boots+MS

My current neck is a placeholder since I didn't have anything better

For belt maybe a brew master?

[sly bobcat]

wasn't sure if I should fold the aftershocks into the initial slam or if I should leave them and use spellEQ as clear then channel avalanche on tanky stuff and bosses

[high stratus]

initial slam looked way better to me

[long totem]

Probably should have said build advice or gear advice actually lol, I only know for sure what my weapon/gloves need for upgrades

No idea what I should be pursuing elsewhere really

[mossy coral]

@near leaf What do you think about lightning blast weapon, that champion belt, lightning aftershocks and get that flat from 6-7(dsl) crows?

[near leaf]

In you the meme live

[ornate scroll]

can anyone explain what happens if you take thunder stinger and cold blooded? is your poison chance still converted to lighting? or cold?

[karmic bison]

Nah realistically you can get 300% multi... with scorpion but if you swap out chest for primordial glass then self 500% becomes 800% crit multi so again its not clear cut what is better until min maxing at end game. Its probably the only skill which is balanced on using companion or not, tsunami gives everything equally to both setups

[near leaf]

What skill

[ocean leaf]

Ill look into it. Im pretty low on resistances what should i do/where to put those

[sly bobcat]

makes sense, didn't really think about overcrit

[ornate scroll]

sorry scrop

scorp

[high stratus]

Thunder Stinger
Your Scorpion's activated ability is now Shock Nova, a spell that deals lightning damage and applies 3 stacks of Shock on hit.
The base physical damage of your scorpion's melee attacks is converted to lightning. Consequently this damage scales with increases to lightning damage, but not increases to physical damage. These melee attacks now have a Lightning tag instead of a Physical tag.
All sources of poison chance are converted to shock chance for your scorpion, and effects related to poison in this tree instead depend on shock.
This node has no effect if Cold-Blooded is allocated.
Shock Nova deals lightning damage in an area around the scorpion, with 400% effectiveness of added damage.

[wise leaf]

Lightning nova, but scorp is cold tagged

[ornate scroll]

oh gotcha thanks

[near leaf]

Also cold blooded doesn't convert psn chance

[sly bobcat]

wind tempest having nearly the same DPS as tornado is hilarious

[karmic bison]

Either way both are good options you can approach it several different ways and not feel bad

[wise leaf]

Scorp also gets the spell tag from the lightning conversion node

Which can be useful

[mossy coral]

I'm guessing LB chains only works on single target when it's picked in the skilltree

[karmic bison]

Its not as bad of a discrepancy with self eq vs bear eq

[wise leaf]

The description is misleading lol

[high stratus]

getting to 140% crit chance for spyglass on a skill without any base crit on the tree sounds rough

sure you can get lynx but

[karmic bison]

Well theres so many sources of base crit on gear makes it super easy lol...

[wise leaf]

Lots of opportunity cost in that no?

[karmic bison]

No all upside :d

[wise leaf]

I guess lynx effect

Is very multipurpose

[karmic bison]

I like to leech too cant do that with scorp setup

But again scorp can be built more tanky with less sustain thanks to double charge fury leap...

[crude cosmos]

Holy moly how is soul of the mountain not able to drop until level 90 mobs

[winged swallow]

Decent little idol I found. Not for my build but still cool

[winter ivy]

very nice

[ocean leaf]

@near leaf does this build also convert bleed chance or bleed dmg into frostbite in additon to poison

[wise leaf]

Double charge?

[near leaf]

No just psn

[winter ivy]

Do crows and spriggan look different if you use Rahyeh's Embrace?

[wise leaf]

Yes

[near leaf]

Yes

More fire-y

😎

[winter ivy]

nice. that's the sort of item I love

[ocean leaf]

How much attunement should I shoot for, and what should I do about my rings...I can't figure out what to put there. Using the vine spriggan one as a place hodler and random otehr one

I have 91 atm

[karmic bison]

Son of yornir.

[near leaf]

Around 100-150 is usually where you end up in builds like this
Ideally a red ring as second ring would be nice

[ocean leaf]

What about the other ring? I just put LP with attunement or is there specific item that gives a lot of attunmenet im not aware of

[near leaf]

Vines ring with t7 Att +T5 minion dmg or hp or res or smth else
Red Ring with t7 Att

Also you missed a pt there

Here it could be a bit better optimised

[raven sluice]

I assume they nerfed spawn rate of rampant coast as imprint?

[ocean leaf]

Ill look for it, im CoF so idk how long itd take to find

Ill try to make those changes!

I gotta work on blessings/idols

[winter ivy]

How is vinebear compared to shatter werebear?

[wise leaf]

I'm still not finding anything

[wise leaf]

Yeah

[hushed totem]

Hmmmm,

[raven sluice]

it was bugged level of nonsensically super common anyway

[ocean leaf]

idk if my build is vinebear but im having a lot of fun

[winter ivy]

What are you playing?

[near leaf]

Vine bear

It doesnt have as much potential imo
But Frostbite minion is cool imo

[wise leaf]

Oh woah

[winter ivy]

Those patch notes about the boots have me annoyed because it actually sounded like a fun bug

[wise leaf]

Which boots?

[winter ivy]

Roots of Vithrasil apparently applied to everything that uses the Spirit Thorns tree, which would include ranged vines

[near leaf]

Yeah 😅

Wish I tried it before

[winter ivy]

i would 100% play vine summoner

[wise leaf]

Damn

[winter ivy]

I put in a suggestion saying they should make it a feature lol

[ocean leaf]

What he said, its avinebear ig but i use the frostbite minions dmg

Dmg is low relative to other builds but ur giga tanky and fast

[hushed totem]

Well, question is what can u cook with that🤷‍♂️ something wolves or crows?

[ocean leaf]

I always really like the frostbite spriggan build i was running if I can scale dmg higher, it was like jump into 6 totems then 9 from spriggan with frenzy and dmg XD 15 totems and then you spawn extra from idols percent on hit to spawn totem

You get 6 from Luap and then 9 from Spriggan, it also freezes things like instantly so its a good defensive layer and ur healing at same time

i think if somehow cooked reflect dmg and somehow to spread thronshield on many targets at once, it could be formidable but idk much about the game to cook something up like that

[wise leaf]

It'd work solidly for double thundrr wolf

[sly bobcat]

okay so instead of storm totem, we have an unspec'd totem that acts as a buff and that's it. we spec avalanche for boulder procs

it's genius

[long totem]

It's something alright

[raven sluice]

wtf, I just dropped an LP4 draalsting in my 5th quest timeline

[sly bobcat]

grats

[raven sluice]

untradeable though, and I dont know anything that uses it

[long totem]

Dumb question but what's the use case for it?

[raven sluice]

no idea if there even is one

[long totem]

I guess uhhhh... Swarmblade?

Very strong and viable

[sly bobcat]

@sly python i need your expertise rating my meme https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYEmmjN0

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (23) / Beastmaster (10) / Shaman (65) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,218, Regen: 317.96/s
▸ Mana: 424.51, Regen: 20.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 75%, Regen: 79/s
▸ Attributes: 23 Str / 19 Dex / 11 Int / 109 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 124% / 124% / 71% / 50% / 70% / 70%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 684
▸ Dodge Chance: 65% (3019)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,083)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 115%

Used skills:

Tempest Strike / Maelstrom / Warcry / Tornado / Avalanche

[long totem]

3LP wings of discord

[mossy coral]

Fissure is for sure a skill

[sly bobcat]

the dodge on the wings is just for maelstrom. can't calc it in LETools

[long totem]

Okay less insane in that case

[hushed totem]

Possible to point me in a direction, can be something aspirational aswell. Play legacy so and got a EQ bear that needs a makeover haha

[long totem]

One of the skills of all time, really

[wise leaf]

At work atm so i can't really point you to a planner

[sly bobcat]

it honestly wouldn't be terrible if you could have more than one and overlap them

judgement can do it so why can't avalanche

[long totem]

Shamans class fantasy is 'clunky'

[mossy coral]

Not as bad as forge strike detonate ground though

[sly bobcat]

forge strike detonate ground is unironically good

[wise leaf]

But it's using solo companion nodes with permanent bond and the howl of the west wind helm

[sly bobcat]

it's free damage every hit that can still crit

[wise leaf]

Pumping their melee thunder damage

[long totem]

How's the clear?

[mossy coral]

It's the waiting game, stand near the enemy, take a coffee break, get some rest, go to work, come home and it exploded

[wise leaf]

I don't really know sorry

I heard it was better than regular wolves

[sly bobcat]

lightning wolves?

[vapid canopy]

Did anyone experiment with natural wrath?

[wise leaf]

Double lightning wolf

[sly bobcat]

yeah i've heard they're good

ice bite probably helps a ton with the clear

[wise leaf]

Yeah i've heard things but don't really know anything

[sly bobcat]

that's fair

I wouldn't be able to say with certainty either. I've played lightning pack a long while ago and it was good, but dunno if it holds up

[patent dock]

The spirit wolves should be the biggest clear effect

[sly bobcat]

do the spirit wolves scale with your wolf stats?

[wise leaf]

Ah yeah

Yes

[sly bobcat]

toast you should look at my possibly worst build I've ever made. it's great

[winter ivy]

Anyone tried using Jormun's axe to support a minion build? Crit vuln seems kinda nice

[mossy coral]

Close your eyes please

[clever warren]

Spirit Thorns Beastmaster ... anyone played that yet?

[hushed totem]

hah all good! If you do remember and find the time i wouldnt mind a sick aspirational one, 2t7s and all 😉 IF your intressted/got time to cook one up.

[ocean leaf]

How does this work

[sly python]

I have been summoned

[winter ivy]

Wings of Discord detected. Goated build

[sly bobcat]

the T7 dodge is for aproximating maelstrom

[wise root]

BM with Bear best levelling build or is there better?

[sly bobcat]

bear bm is smooth just gonna be slow

[sly python]

You could have automated things by going swarmblade as well

[sly bobcat]

the tempest trigger chance when transformed is so low

[sly python]

bugman gets tornadoes on swing

[wise root]

is there better?

[sly bobcat]

yeah but my wind tempests

[sly python]

You'd have thebugman aoe to replace it

I'd have to actually see it in game as to which feels better

you'd still get wind tempest tho

why are you taking snap gale?

[patent dock]

Bold move running a spell build with sword + axe

[undone smelt]

Does range node in thorn totem affect its target range

[sly bobcat]

more damage, same with the following node

[mossy coral]

Should've taken a shield and the shield axe just to be safe, got loads of damage anyway

[mossy coral]

Yeah how far the projectiles travel

[sly python]

if you swap out avalanche for gathering storm you can use storm bolts for extra damage instead

[sly bobcat]

storm bolts are for cowards that play good builds

we phys DoT up in here

[sly python]

No if you really wanna meme, we go fire conversion

[undone smelt]

That is what i alrdy understood but i want to know if it will shoot at mobs intentionally that are farther

[patent dock]

Counter point, entangling roots

[sly bobcat]

roots can't stack tho

wind tempests and tornadoes can

[patent dock]

Neither can fissure

but roots do way more damage than fissure

[sly bobcat]

you also cant cast roots as a bug

[mossy coral]

You can test it, they will always shoot even if they can't reach the target

[patent dock]

You can as bear though

[undone smelt]

Ugh i haven't reached dummy area yet

[sly bobcat]

can you make tornadoes as a bear

i know you can do maelstrom

[mossy coral]

Only with Simoon

[patent dock]

Simoon and TS tiny proc chance on swipe

but human form was what I was thinking anyway

basically just swap avalanche for roots

[mossy coral]

Bold of you to think you will cast a tornado as transformed

[sly bobcat]

okay i can see it

bugman does it

[sly python]

use Bhuldars wrath and drop EQs on peopel when you jump around

I want more bugman support

Hell I want bugman to just be as cohesive in his skill tree as bear and spriggan are

[undone smelt]

Lightning earth quake fury leap

[sly bobcat]

does the spell damage buff from roots affect yourself? it says allies and minions

I would like to think i'm my own ally

[undone smelt]

No ure your worst enemy

[patent dock]

I'll settle for just one of the locust swarm conversions working

[mossy coral]

Ok I just tested it, it does nothing. Reaches a tiiiiiny bit further, like 3 pixels. It's useless

[patent dock]

Nah, it says "other allies"

[undone smelt]

Me and my 3pts in that node :

Thx

[sly python]

does the cold one not work?

[patent dock]

It only converts the phys half, so you end up with half poison damage but all your poison chance converted to frostbite lol

as of 0.9

[undone smelt]

I think ill go poison totem but frost has better crit

[sly python]

I hate these half split skills

[patent dock]

Ye... cold locust swarm was my favorite build prior to 0.9 when they messed up that conversion

[tranquil lintel]

It would be cool if there was anyway to actually support half split damage scaling

[sly python]

As far as I can recall, only Void cleaev has a node that does it, with the phys increasing fire dmg as well

oh and flame reave fire increases lightning

[tranquil lintel]

Yeah void cleave works pretty well. Need more skills to have something along those lines

[tawny hollow]

bleed locust swarm during beta was nutty fun

[sly python]

But more than any of that, I want serpent strike to not look like it was designed by AI

[mossy coral]

TS is made by chatgpt

[tranquil lintel]

I was just typing out a message about how awful the serpent strike tree is

[sly python]

Nodes terrible, focus terrible, the visual tree, terrible

[mossy coral]

It was too good then nerfed to unplayable and only deals damage when ramped

[sly python]

and the pathing omg

[tranquil lintel]

I hope it gets some love because I really like the concept of serpent strike

[sly python]

Maybe then the SS node in swarmblade will actually mean something

Like Swipe on bear man is just clean

[mossy coral]

Spear gaming or the exact same feel on a swarmblade

[sly bobcat]

the top half of the tree might as well not exist. serpent venom was good for a short time after it got reworked

[mossy coral]

Love me some bleed chance/maelstrom

[sly bobcat]

there's gotta be a zoo build that the land before enables

[mossy coral]

Just no

[ruby whale]

i am building the reflect shaman this season, played it last, and wonder why the guide has made everything cold. wasnt it a physical build last season?

[sly bobcat]

reflect has no damage type

[mossy coral]

Reflect isn't your damage either

[ruby whale]

then why does it want me using gathering sotrm and maelstrom?

[winter ivy]

Does the guide not say anything?

[sly bobcat]

you're constantly spamming to generate maelstrom as a spriggan

then gathering storm is just kinda free

[mossy coral]

I thought you were just running and using thorn shield, summon storm totem automatically and kept running?

[ruby whale]

it has words on the page... does that count?

[karmic bison]

It's a fun lore flavor text for the item I'm describing

Laup's path

The coward

Anyways id probably level tsunami scorp like this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4Xdd8jl

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (24) / Beastmaster (74) / Shaman (5) / Druid (10)

General:

▸ Health: 1,423, Regen: 76.16/s
▸ Mana: 328.73, Regen: 12.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 55 Str / 18 Dex / 3 Int / 17 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 6% / 30% / 30% / 18% / 0% / 3% / 3%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 40%, Threshold: 285
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (72)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (493)

Used skills:

Summon Scorpion / Maelstrom / Warcry / Fury Leap / Tempest Strike

[patent dock]

Since you'd want to be a BM, you get 5 max companions just from passives, literally zero benefit to land before in that case 🥲

[karmic bison]

I got nice lands yesterday corrupted for minion base crit while leveling.

[sly bobcat]

yeah kinda silly isn't it

you could use an unspec'd companion and not have wolf on the bar couldn't you

gives you 6

but in order to have 6 you'd need to be BM anyway for raptor or saber lol

insane design. was literally just for frogs

[patent dock]

Yep exactly

[mossy coral]

"land before companions"

[patent dock]

like the only case where it could be even slightly useful is if you wanted to have all 5 companions on a druid or shaman, but like... why

and even then, you'll never be able to use up the number of companions it gives you

[sly bobcat]

yeah

since it limits you to 1 each

[patent dock]

yeah, and baseline + land before is max 6 companions lol

[sly bobcat]

i want a zoo build to be viable for primalist. there's so many neat cross-companion synergies

[patent dock]

The addition of the spriggan aura buffs for multi-companion was pretty neat

[sly bobcat]

yeah

[long totem]

Not to be mean to the devs but that item is a terrible design, it's only viable use case is frogs afaict

[sly bobcat]

raptor reduces companion ability cooldowns too

[patent dock]

I do still think the fire armor crows + spriggan build could be a thing

[sly bobcat]

yeah probably

[mossy coral]

It's reeeeeeally hard to get 15 points in druid as BM

[sly bobcat]

i just think it would be cool to have a big pack of different things working together

nah not really. 5 in endurance, 5 in attributes, 5 in health/mana

nothing wasted

and you get your spriggan

[mossy coral]

This is what you want, need to give up something before you're lvl 100

Technically I could just swap skills and try out the fire armor

with spriggan

[limpid veldt]

hmm

[mossy coral]

I forgot I had this equipped already! I ran this with my crow build wth

[limpid veldt]

do we have good poison support affixes for beastmaster?

[mossy coral]

(It's not using upheaval )

[limpid veldt]

since Idk how to build a good scopion

[mossy coral]

Why can't you choose what skills get lost when de-equip items. It's always the good nodes

He's kinda cool looking

[sly bobcat]

what about the fire birds

[mossy coral]

caw caw

[sly bobcat]

those do look pretty cool

i've got the chest. need to try it out this season

[mossy coral]

Crows kinda zdps since they're not lightning

[limpid veldt]

so main dmg is spriggan?

[winter ivy]

I can't decide what to build. Def got more than a few Primalist ideas though.

[sly bobcat]

does the fire conversion convert their poison and shock chances to ignite?

[neon steppe]

figures, were u able to make the dive/tsunami/scorp?

[sly bobcat]

do my dumb wind tempest build for me

[winter ivy]

What is the build?

[mossy coral]

Everything is ignite, don't think the scalings change though lol

[sly bobcat]

the wings of discord one i posted a while ago lol. it's probably terrible

[sly bobcat]

if poison and shock is converted for each of them then an ignite build might actually be viable

[patent dock]

They should be just fine as fire, no? There's not a ton of lightning-specific stuff for minions afaik

[mossy coral]

Storm breath at least

[patent dock]

Both should be decent damage

[mossy coral]

That's 90% more

They also lose shocked

[patent dock]

That should convert to ignite

[winter ivy]

"should"

[patent dock]

It converts for cold, but I haven't touched fire crows yet lol

[winter ivy]

I might try something like Rahyeh's Embrace and Jormun's axe and do crit-fire crows (and spriggan?)

[sly bobcat]

crit is pretty cappable without the axe I think

logi's amulet gives fire minion crit

spriggan gives base crit

lynx gives crit

[winter ivy]

I kinda figured it probably crit caps without it

[mossy coral]

Ok I think it works, what about spriggan?

(I could hit 10m on both fire and lightning crowstorm)

[patent dock]

Same deal, almost all its multis are for hit damage only though lol

[wise leaf]

Not taking the crit node for scorp?

[near bloom]

i'm playing a nado shaman and the update today added a very unpleasant VFX... anyone else?

[mossy coral]

You think ignited enemies take 60% more?
It's really hard to test cause the chest gives 200% increased minion damage

Oh I know how I can test it

[sly bobcat]

i think if you were gonna do an ignite build with it your spriggan would just be a utility companion, which kinda defeats the purpose of the chest

[mossy coral]

Also nice, dmg to poisoned isn't applying when it's converted to fire

And it can't even inflict poison

[sly bobcat]

crows also don't really have any boosts to their damaging ailments. just their spell damage

[mossy coral]

Yeah ok Idk how you're supposed to deal damage with spriggan

[patent dock]

hmm that's not good

we can get poison from other stuff though, so not too worried

[mossy coral]

Does it need you to spec in spriggan form too btw?

For thorn volley

[patent dock]

Nah

[mossy coral]

So you're telling me it gets more projectiles, 60% more, 50-60% more damage from crows and that's it?
How on earth is it supposed to deal damage

[sly bobcat]

well ideally the hit damage bonuses on the tree would work

it also supplies base crit and spell damage to itself and the crows

so you don't need to itemize as much crit

[patent dock]

Yeah basically, the damage from crows is pretty big

[mossy coral]

How long does the aura last, 2 seconds?

[sly bobcat]

no it's permanent

the buffs come from the passive aura your spriggan always has running

[mossy coral]

The crit is nice, missing a crow and a spriggan that does nothing isn't the greatest atm

[patent dock]

This was the planner I slapped together a while back ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrX7k2M4

The spriggan should be decent damage between the buffs it got and the new armor

[mossy coral]

Crows are doing like 1m and spriggan hitting for 20k on dummy atm

Wait I take that back

It's doing 40k on dummy, lol

[sly bobcat]

is that 40k per thorn or for the whole volley

[mossy coral]

Per thorn

And that's a max hit, it's between 17-40

[sly bobcat]

yeah if the hit nodes are bugged for the fire conversion then that's a lot of missing damage

[mossy coral]

I lose 1 crow, 20% more and 20% more again for crowstorm

And +2 to minion skills, Idk I don't think this is it

Spriggan also have no synergy with lagon stacks, it gets half

Ah nvm it's not even getting lagon stacks

[karmic bison]

Ohh I am I just forgot to add it

[mellow kestrel]

Whoever is doing that lightning upheaval with storm crows , is it any good? I randomly saved your planners

Looks like good dam

[wise leaf]

I'm more and more liking the look of crow bm tsunami selfcast

I'ma make a planner for this after work

[limpid veldt]

but isn't many of crow's damage node is lightning?

would they be converted to fire?

you know, especially the "Fulminating Caw" node

[patent dock]

The ones that wouldn't convert are aspect of the crow and fulminating caw, but I wouldn't use either for this kind of build even if they did

[limpid veldt]

and will crowstorm converted to fire?

because the actual insane damage come froms crowstorm

[mossy coral]

yes

[limpid veldt]

hmm

but if there is no fulminating caw I'm not sure how less damage they deal

[mossy coral]

You don't even take that node anyway

5 points for a bit of increased damage

[winter ivy]

I had a rough idea of trying this with Gathering Storm to try and get more hits out of the crows. Self-cast might still be the better choice

[limpid veldt]

well it does matter for lightning version I guess

[neon steppe]

So with primalist low life BM, is it not bad that lynx is healing you a bunch from leech? thinking about slapping on boulderfists

[mossy coral]

You go minion damage on gear anyway, not lightning or fire damage though

[limpid veldt]

hmm but I wonder if the combo spriggan+fire crow would be equal damage like lightning storm crow

[limpid veldt]

why not both?

you can have 2 prefixes

[mossy coral]

2LP uniques? erm

[limpid veldt]

depend on your luck

but the lightning damage is more effective

since it gives 150% effectiveness to crows

[mossy coral]

Spriggan bugged, I justed tested it and it's doing 20-40k on a dummy while crows will deal 1m at most + I'm losing a crow

[limpid veldt]

your crow has 180% increased lightning damage per 120% increased lightning damage

this number is only 120% increased lightning damage per 120% increased minion damage

[mossy coral]

This is the bugged node

[limpid veldt]

reported it?

[mossy coral]

yeah

[limpid veldt]

and also this

meaning that your crow deals 50% more damage for lightning version if you use 1 lp uniques

[limpid veldt]

tbh this is a very good game if the devs managed to fix the bugs because there are so many bugs

also is dragon raptor still suck?

[mossy coral]

New unique comes with bugs which makes it unplayable, EHG special at this point

[candid topaz]

We are the play testers lol

[patent dock]

It's not quite that much overall though, and the node itself takes a ton of points

Crows are very point hungry as is

[winged swallow]

What's good maelstrom stack number for non-manual cast? I'm currently at a sustained 27

[limpid veldt]

we are testers without salary

[mossy coral]

You're sacrificing 5 more damage nodes you could place somewhere else, in theory it could be nice but it's 5 points. 5 too many

[limpid veldt]

I don't get your point

I mean your crow could deal 1.5 more damage if you use 1 lp and spec that node

for offline your crow could even deal 2.5 more damage for using 2lp

[patent dock]

It's not 50% more

[limpid veldt]

it is if you use 1 lp

for scaling minion damage

[elfin plover]

You guys recommend stormcrows build over frog?

[limpid veldt]

no

frog better clear

[mossy coral]

Lets say I have this, I don't have a single point to spend elsewhere, it would if I didn't use crowstorm, but those points could instead be for crit multi and base crit nodes instead. Why sacrifice those nodes for 150% of increased lightning damage to crows

[limpid veldt]

maximal affixes for crow dmg requires offline play

[limpid veldt]

I have 41 node using maxroll guide so it's not a problem

[patent dock]

No, since you are losing 5 points elsewhere in the skill tree to get it and it's simple another increased damage stat that combines with all your attribute scaling and other increased minion damage

[limpid veldt]

how many points do you have for storm crows?

if you have 40+ points then you should get the other multiplier nodes

[patent dock]

The other nodes on the tree multiply your total damage

[limpid veldt]

wait it's 40 now

but it's around that value

[blazing remnant]

this is bricked cause of the brutality for frogs right

[patent dock]

It's more just bricked because it deletes most of your armor

[blazing remnant]

thats what I mean

i lose all armor if I put this one I cant figure out why brutality is even good

[mossy coral]

Ok with 7 more points I could do a few in shock, 1 in the 10% more damage. That would leave about 3 points left to put in the increased lightning damage node and you would want 5, I just don't think it's worth it

[limpid veldt]

like which nodes?

[limpid veldt]

or you can try to use items that gives more skills to crows

[mossy coral]

Higher than 40?

[limpid veldt]

39 is sufficient

1 shock node is enough

[wise leaf]

Is definitely an option

[mossy coral]

On bosses yes, on monos no

[limpid veldt]

maxroll's guide is good for this

[wise leaf]

I thought about that too but i think it's not worth it

[wise leaf]

Yeah the corrupted attribute downsides are pretty nasty

[blazing remnant]

ya it seems like they just suck not sure what the point is

[limpid veldt]

also why stack 5 shock node?

[mossy coral]

I didn't say 5, 2-3 is fine

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

but 1 is sufficient

you have many crows

so shock chance should be decent

and you have lightning swipe shock too

[mossy coral]

You want 10 stacks asap, that's why

More important this patch than ever, you need AoE now and ramping damage needs to be fast

[limpid veldt]

hmm shock chance can be on tempest form

but also do you need 5 points in "observe and lean"?

since I'm not sure for you gear you would need 5 node to reach exact 100% crit chance

I got only 2 nodes in maxroll and my crow still has cap crit

[mossy coral]

I'm not doing maxroll and it depends on the build. I think it's nice, you're hitting enemies all the time anyway. Opportunity cost basically

[clever warren]

my vines are melee they dont go into range... skill dont work 🙁

characters in legacy... not sure why they dont go into range

[patent dock]

Maybe check your passive points, if they were reset or you otherwise don't meet the unlock requirements for spriggan form, its skill tree will be disabled

[limpid veldt]

yeah, you should have almost capped crit chance by spending 2 points only

(5+4+4+24)*(1+0.2+0.5+1)=99.9

that's not counting 5% crit chance buff from aspect of the lynx

which would absolutely cap

[clever warren]

ffs lol

[limpid veldt]

so assuming corruption succeeds

you get 41 points

which allows you to have 2 shock node

5 increased lightning dmg node

[limpid veldt]

brutality for frog?

[blazing remnant]

ya thats what it rolled so I dont think I can use it

[limpid veldt]

also who would even use brutality?

too hurtful for leech

[mossy coral]

Sentinel, shatter totem eventually from the looks of it

[limpid veldt]

wait why sentinel?

sentinel still needs leech

[mossy coral]

They can get a lot of armor

[winter ivy]

Vessel of Strife or low-life builds would get value out of Brutality. Also just builds that dont stack strength, just a bit is nice

[limpid veldt]

nah uberroth definitely needs leech

[mossy coral]

healing, ward, lots of leech

[limpid veldt]

pretty sure vk needs leech

fire shield throw needs leech too

judgement aura uses attunement

[mossy coral]

Yeah not all builds can use brutality, paladin have a lot of healing, if you can use healing hands you can have a lot of ward, multiple things

[limpid veldt]

tbh if I use ward I would rather going low life

but i don't see that vk does not need leech

I have not tried melee paladin since their damage is not good

also

what kind of build that benefits from high mana for melee paladin?

[winter ivy]

Judgement and Smite

[limpid veldt]

I'm talking about brutality

which obviously uses melee and strength-based attacks

[winter ivy]

Judgement Aura benefits from Brutality. I'd been using it a fair bit

[limpid veldt]

wait how?

the aura scales with melee attack?

[winter ivy]

I dont know the specifics, but it does seem to apply to anything with a melee tag, subskills too

[upper jungle]

So. What we have this season for primalist? What are the good builds

[limpid veldt]

but it is an aura, it is a spell

like lava burst scales with spell damage, not throwing

type scaling is not attribute scaling

[winter ivy]

it gives more damage to melee skills, not more melee damage

[limpid veldt]

Mike said so

[winter ivy]

Upheaval Shatter should be able to benefit too

[limpid veldt]

need to ask EHG for this

[winter ivy]

It def took my Judgement from 1m to 1.3m ticks with only 53 brutality. It works like it's worded, dunno if it's intended though

[limpid veldt]

hmm

[mossy coral]

Brutality seems to be working to subskills, upheaval using shatter totem can use it, judgement aura should also be able to use it, as long as it's a melee skill first

[limpid veldt]

have you tried vs uberroth with judgement aura?

[winter ivy]

im not doing uberroth. I've done the new pinnacle, but I dont enjoy uber and i dont need the items

[limpid veldt]

because right now I'm having the 3.5% spell leech in blessing

And added healing for sustain

I'm not sure if removing the leech is recommended vs hard bosses

[winter ivy]

having leech is certainly more comfy, judgement is 1s ticks for healing which isnt great. When I checked uber the challenge wasnt the dot though, it was just getting hit for a ton

[limpid veldt]

ok so brutality is not recommended vs uber

I just need that

my aura gear since season 3 has zero leech

so I need the spell leech spec blessing

@winter ivy how many mana do you have for aura paladin?

since I checked for some uber abby kills online

[winter ivy]

currently at 2k

[limpid veldt]

and for some reason they have only 1700 mana

with no mana stacking affixes

[winter ivy]

Xylem is crazy strong

[limpid veldt]

problem is 1700 mana is too low

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlRr1W1pkVQ

that build should have a lot more mana

[winter ivy]

I dont think it really needs more. It can get a lot more, but it doesnt need it

[limpid veldt]

it does

because 4 min kill is too bad for an S tier

with 4000 mana it could kill uber in 1 min

that's what I tested in season 3

[winter ivy]

i dont make the tier lists

[limpid veldt]

yeah but the tier list is consistent with the damage I tested with higher mana

this build just needs stacking more mana to reach that

stopping at 1700 mana is really not good because how insanely scaling with mana the build is

that's my point

[brazen wigeon]

Is Raptor Beastmaster with the Tyrannosaurus Unique any good? Dino build sounds cool as heck

[limpid veldt]

people stacked 2300+ mana with mana flay lich

so this build only having 1700 mana is not very acceptable for a mana and attunement based build

[wise leaf]

Kinda mid. Raptor skill tree isn't that conducive to a pack build and ai issues hold it back

Still functions

Better bosser than clearer

Will prolly feel kinda bad in omen windows

[brazen wigeon]

Damn too bad

cool flavour tho

Any Reccs for a Beastmaster build in general right now?

(Also is snapshotting still a thing? been away for a while)

[mossy coral]

It's been removed for the most part

[brazen wigeon]

nice

[tawny spoke]

If only the aspect of viper penetration can become universal fire raptors will feel better at clearing

Specially their breathe have potential for aoe dot dmg

[wise leaf]

That wouldn't save fire raptors from what i know

[tawny spoke]

Eh I think 100% fire penetration would be better imo

At least there's a fire tree passive available

[brazen wigeon]

Maybe I'll try the Storm Crows build on Maxroll instead

I still get the TRex lmfao

[karmic bison]

Fire raptors needs a lot more scaling to be good like a billion more damage and lower cooldown.

pack raptors do much less damage then solo raptor

[next cloak]

storm totem starting work

[lavish scaffold]

what version you running? I am trying a Laup's Path no Spriggan form Storm totem build.
only at 300c but crushing it so far.

with Bones Primordial off hand is nice

[mellow kestrel]

Any planner ? For storm totem

[next cloak]

last season I was spriggan, sure its tanky but I didnt like the gameplay, swapped spriggan form to upheaval

[lavish scaffold]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Zenji/character/LaupLeaps
this is me, lots of room for improvement still, but it's doing well

[next cloak]

nice death rattle corruption

[mellow kestrel]

Oooh thank you. Very nice

[limpid veldt]

Mid in clearing. S tier bosing when stacking endurance

[limpid veldt]

I like dinosaur so I choose it

When stacking endurance its bossing dps is more than frog

Idk how good single raptor is for bossing

But definitely needs pack for at least mid clearing

[wise leaf]

Single raptor can run primal cadence

As a clear booster

[next cloak]

I have very similar stuff, here are our biggest differences and ofc that ekkidrasil, notice the double chance to shock on attackers on shield lol

instead of leap I have upheaval

[limpid veldt]

Oh yeah forgot that axe exists

[wise leaf]

Fair rofl

[limpid veldt]

But is dmg better than pack?

Since pack can stack both str and int

To maximal benefit from rex

[wise leaf]

Well pack has like 8 things that run in and smack a single enemy before splitting out to hit others

[lavish scaffold]

how is the mana sustain with ekkidrasil and not in Spriggan form?

[wise leaf]

Meanwhile cadence solo raptor slaps one thing and the overkill cleave nukes the pack

[limpid veldt]

How about bossing?

[wicked jacinth]

any tips for helping to increase the survivability of storm crows on shaman?

[next cloak]

I have to keep the efficiency nodes on thorns totems

[limpid veldt]

Since single loses the int pen buff from t rex

Due to not having cleaver

[wise leaf]

Solo raptor does good boss damage and you can run bossing switch gear

[lavish scaffold]

that shield is dope, but I am fan boy for Bones Primordial. So I can't part with it

[next cloak]

are you expending storm stacks somehow?

[limpid veldt]

Wdym switching gear?

I want one gear only

[winged swallow]

storm stacks ticking down also counts as "expending"

[lavish scaffold]

^ I build lots of stacks even with only 1 point in friends of tempest

[limpid veldt]

But is it better boss dmg than pack?

[brazen wigeon]

Frogs or Crows?

[wise leaf]

Afaik no

[limpid veldt]

Ok that's what I need to know

[next cloak]

what

[next cloak]

so you are actually using gathering storm as well? I dont even have it on hotbar

[lavish scaffold]

every so often ya, just to get that first stack

[next cloak]

I havent tried, is it even worth it?

[lavish scaffold]

I was running out of places to put points in GS, so figured a few more free Maelstrom stacks is helpful

[next cloak]

im so specced into totem and minion damage, if I was too using storm bolts, those would probably do like 10k damage ocmpared to totem's 2 mil crits

well maelstorm could enable other buffs say from passive tree

but damagewise it seems useless

[lavish scaffold]

ya it's not for damage

just for more stacks

[next cloak]

could also get maelstorm stacks from idols I guess

this is where I put those 2 "useless points"

[lavish scaffold]

ya right now relying on idols for crit avoidance and a little endurance

[next cloak]

im so blind I didnt even notice you have warcry too

not interested in summon spriggan buffs?

[lavish scaffold]

nah I hate pets that die lol
war cry is nice for more crit, maelstrom stacks, cleanse, a pull in and a lower cooldown on war cry

basically I leap in it drops totems, drop storm totem it consumes, then I warcry for more thorn totems that do decent damage themselves

[next cloak]

interesting to be sure

I'd probably look more into possible benefits from maelstorm stacks

[lavish scaffold]

ya I just wanted to force Laups into a Storm totem build. still a work in progress

and 300c is still low, but I am cruising so far

[next cloak]

im not so sure about the boots, everyone seems to prefer mountain, I took advent for minion frenzy

u get frenzy from warcry tho

[lavish scaffold]

ya I am not sold on boots, they are better for builds that run Spriggan pet for the dodge aura convert

[lavish scaffold]

I completely forget Frenzy gives cast speed

will have to move points over there on war cry

[fervent swallow]

Does generic damage or damage while in spriggan form etc effect Thicket of Blinding Light pulse damage?

[patent dock]

No, only stuff that specifically boosts your reflect damage will help

[rare scarab]

damn that one bear guy did 2900 corruption with the old bear nado spec, i guess it still works great

[mellow kestrel]

Anyone got that upheaval shatter planner ? Plz

[cunning solstice]

I did little e test yesterday with swipe + storm breaker on an old werebear i had and could get to 30 storm stacks. I'll try to build a werebear with natural wrath, might be week but will be fun 😁

[next cloak]

I btw have a feeling that lightning penetration would be a valuable stat at this point but dont know for sure... damage skyrocketed with minion armor shred on those julra gloves

[lavish scaffold]

once I get my idols sorted out, was going to pick up a little lightning pen there

[next cloak]

same

just checked that I had lightning pen highlighted in filter

I have no clue how much resists enemies have at this point

just killed normal abby without any issues tho

first time I saw spriggan die

[lavish scaffold]

I just made the character late last night, so lots to do still.

[gray aurora]

Weird, I read the Maim node was fixed for Sabertooth but I can't notice a doublecast.

[next cloak]

if I understood correctly only these stats matter on the weapon for storm totem (as you can see I tried to go for double minion spell damage and failed)

damn melee attack speed

[gray aurora]

There's some bangers in the bazaar. I use two of these for my Lightning Retaliation wolf build

[next cloak]

very nice

[lavish scaffold]

would that extra 63 flat apply to the GS node? ?

[gray aurora]

Yes.

[next cloak]

I have just the tools in hand to verify

[gray aurora]

I stack it for Howl of the West Wind

[next cloak]

only difference, removed julra gloves and some other stuff for more stable results, 300k crits vs 325k crits

this was ever so slightly more valuable

[wicked jacinth]

for the boardman's set is the lightning nova from the storm totem tree supposed to count as a hit from storm totem? It seems like it should but it isn't, so I'm wondering if it's a bug or not

[next cloak]

due to that last line ofc... forgot

[gray aurora]

Wait... is this increased retaliation chance on Stormborn node new?

[next cloak]

think ive glanced at that in previous seasons

no clue about deets

[gray aurora]

I guess it's kind of wasted since I get 65% from Helm + Node. Probably better off pumping hard damage nodes.

[next cloak]

I'd play tornado storm bolts if there was an MTX that hid the tornados

[gray aurora]

Oh man, I played that last season. Was super broken.

I'd pop off 5-6 tornadoes and 2 screens away would be cleared.

[tawny spoke]

Technically it changes mtx if the element changes btw

Like it becomes icile on ice element

Then rock on physical

[next cloak]

the firenado gloves.... it just keeps going lol

gloves summon nado, nado casts bolts, bolts cast nados

nados cast bolts

[tawny spoke]

So what's new about channelling tornado

[next cloak]

low enough corruption it just clears

[next cloak]

sure but after playing tornado spammer for 5 seconds, what I want is serenity

this is unplayable when you are supposed to dodge boss mechanics

[tawny spoke]

Hmm I wonder if I can cook physical shaman

Since it rains boulders too

While channeling

Then I convert bolts into physical

[next cloak]

so the requirement is a unique item that hides tornado visuals 😄

or mtx

maybe nado could use the same treatment that lagon water waves got

[tawny spoke]

I just remembered Tornado also dishes out storm orb which is a physical spell

Physical shaman might be a good cooking

[next cloak]

considering speccing into arenas on weaver tree, seems like a perfect match for storm totem

[tawny spoke]

Something new on storm totem?

This channeling tornado might look cool

[next cloak]

no clue about new stuff aside from possible corruptions ofc

played other builds but respecced to good old storm totem a while ago

[tawny spoke]

Ahh I see I see

I'll retain my EQ for a while

[limpid veldt]

hmm

so is raptor still untouched (not nerfed) this season?

since I heard that frog was nerfed a bit

[sly bobcat]

yeah raptor was unchanged

[limpid veldt]

and how is frog nerfed?

[sly bobcat]

damage was reduced by a good chunk but it's still good

[limpid veldt]

since I have not decided to play frog since season 3

[limpid veldt]

ah ok

also was there any bug in the beginning at season 4 for using frog?

[sly bobcat]

yeah it got fixed today

[limpid veldt]

what is it? Have not played frog so Idk about it

[sly bobcat]

it was actually to the benefit of frogs. the idol that gives +4 max companions wasn't properly limited so you could have dozens of frogs

it has been fixed and now works properly. you can only benefit from one copy of the idol

[mellow kestrel]

Storm totem can kill uber?

[limpid veldt]

yeah that should be fixed

[next cloak]

storm totem should crit over 2mil on boss dummy now 🫣

[mellow kestrel]

NOICEWE

[next cloak]

🐱

[mellow kestrel]

Storm totem the goat

[next cloak]

no no saw a few 2 mils

yeee 2 mil broken

need those lightning pen idols to deal that damage in the field though

and I guess an altar with prefix bonus

[lavish scaffold]

got a link to your profile?

[next cloak]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/sushihauva/character/Volinalle

dont worry about the physical damage on amulet, that was bricked

[mellow kestrel]

Raven rise gloves + 2 minion spell skills !

Omen of thunder spell buff to totems can stack?

[next cloak]

julra shred is too stronk

[mellow kestrel]

Cool you include upheaval, Hvwnt seen that b4

[next cloak]

60% more dmg, frailty and stuff

some shred

[cloud shard]

excuse me, I'm playing the frog build, has idol thing been fixed? or is it working as intended?

[limpid veldt]

it's fixed

[cloud shard]

the one that makes you have 21 frogs

oh ok, so 9 is the max?

[limpid veldt]

the same like season 3 I think

since I have not played it

[cloud shard]

oh ok thx!

[limpid veldt]

thanksfully crit HS mage is OP but not due to any bug

[tawny spoke]

What is Hs

[limpid veldt]

hungering soul

[tawny spoke]

That's not mage

That's acolyte

[limpid veldt]

skeletal mage

minion build

from what I tested its damage is equivalent (or more) to abomination

[tawny spoke]

Wait why are you guys talking about skellies on my pure primalist channel

Get out of my board

[limpid veldt]

it's our channel

that aside

has scopion been better?

[sly bobcat]

vlad did the same thing earlier when we were talking about acolyte stuff

he banished us two channels up

[raw elm]

I've searching for like 2-3 days now but can't find any solid answer.

How to keep like 20+ storm stack in werebear form?

[devout cypress]

the 2h mace

stormbreaker

• swipe and attack speed

minion gathering storm node to keep 15 stacks baseline

and storm stacks expend slower idols

[near leaf]

Also the node that give you a chance to gain a stack when you consume a stack

[raw elm]

oh okay tahnks I see it now

but if I take the stormbreaker then how to scale the damage for stormbolt?

cuz as I see the storm breaker stats, I feel like it doesn't have enough DMG scaling stat

[vapid canopy]

Well you have a node that scales your stormbolt damage based on the melee damage on your equipped weapon

[wise leaf]

hmmm not feeling tsunami scorp

seems fine

build and scaling wise

just too much stack juggling for my taste

[mellow kestrel]

Sir can I see your shatter planner again plz if you have it? I copied the wrong one earlier

[brazen wigeon]

What’s the comfiest/least clunky BM build?

[wise leaf]

hmm

[karmic bison]

all depends what kind of play style you are after

most bm builds do 50million+ damage.

enough for ubber

[tawny spoke]

What does clunky even mean

[karmic bison]

solo raptor/bear/sabertooth/frogs/bees

[brazen wigeon]

I like to clear and move well mostly and feel some impact from my skills. And animal companions are cool

[tawny spoke]

Wait solo raptor actually defeated uber

That's news to me

[brazen wigeon]

I heard bm are usually single target goated but less clear/can struggle in omens?

[tawny spoke]

Bees is actually BM? I thought it's shaman since they are attunement

[tawny spoke]

Uhhh not really

EQ BM clears omen idk about others

[wise leaf]

it's kinda true for companion builds

[wise leaf]

makes sense, solo minion builds are very tanky and raptor has very good single target

[brazen wigeon]

EQ BM is companionless? Or rather, not main companion damage I guess?

[tawny spoke]

It's companion less if you want

[brazen wigeon]

I’m thinking Sabertooth, just haven’t seen much on it for 0.4

[tawny spoke]

You can take one if you want

[karmic bison]

just ask my friends at maxroll what the best build for your play style should be, ask bina/lizard/volca

[tawny spoke]

I am playing EQ with primal cadence

Overkill explosion got a good clear

[karmic bison]

yeah I have my new eq bear build getting setup too

melee eq lightning 😛

[brazen wigeon]

Yeah I’m reading their MR guide on Sabertooth now

[karmic bison]

nobody done lightning eq flavor bear yet

the new conversion idol is goated

[tawny spoke]

What's the difference

[karmic bison]

shock, and mtx

[tawny spoke]

Lightning penetration from shaman tree?

Wait

EQ mtx doesn't work on bear

[karmic bison]

its stronger then physical.

[tawny spoke]

For some reason it doesn't show on bear EQ

[karmic bison]

the idol converts eq to lightning. so acts like mtx.

[tawny spoke]

Ah I see

[brazen wigeon]

Double Red Ring and I’m COF/Offline might be painful lol

[karmic bison]

best unique idol

[brazen wigeon]

That sounds peak

Okay I’m pretty hyped for Sabertooth actually, playing that tomorrow

[tawny spoke]

@brazen wigeon if you convert saber into ice

Then dual wield apogee

You literally get +6 skills

[brazen wigeon]

Yeah I think that’s what the MR guide is doing and it sounds sick

Need some bees too for them lol

[tawny spoke]

Dual wield is also optimal for aspect of panther

It's 24% crit multiplier per stack

[near leaf]

Check for fowxyz messages

[shut laurel]

I'd recommend doing this initially https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BxvqJ8DR because the Exulis setup I have now would take quite a while to farm and this planner got me at 800+ corruption

[unkempt thistle]

Druid, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (21) / Shaman (5) / Druid (67)

General:

▸ Health: 4,829, Regen: 1,573.44/s
▸ Mana: 388.21, Regen: 0/s
▸ Ward Retention: 412%, Regen: 71/s
▸ Attributes: 206 Str / 25 Dex / 206 Int / 64 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 62% / 86% / 110% / 98% / 95% / 61% / 97%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 2,226
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (171)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 80% (13,752)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 123%

Used skills:

Werebear Form / Fury Leap / Summon Thorn Totem / Upheaval / Swipe

[shut laurel]

(my items weren't that good obviously I forgot to save what I had at the time)

[tardy frost]

huh wait is avalanche currently bugged?

Explosive Impact is currently bugged to the build's benefit, forcing all boulders to fall at the target location, which increases single target damage.

omegalul if true

[hybrid mist]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Chombe/character/Chombe_Omens
I've quit for the season but ive done 58 uber aberroth, most on this gear, but i did some on wrose gear (missing +16 strength from red rings)
My best advice is pay attention to your DPS windows. Aberroth often kills your frogs, do not use your frenzy totem and howl while they are down, wait until they are all attacking. Same with when aberroth is changing phases and gets huge DR. Use your DPS buttons when its a DPS window. It will make the fight go by much faster.
Also if your DPS isnt high enough in the first phase when aberroth does his huge void charge up AOE, make sure to run away fast to lure your companions to come with you so they dont die and you dont have to try and resurrect them

[spring sigil]

I'm testing this node currently; and I don't think it's consuming 20 mana; but 10

Just to make sure I'm not being dense; 1 default auto proccing 1 aftershock; resulting in two bolders should be 20 mana consumed

[near leaf]

Pretty sure the node is wrong

And always consume 5 per boulder

[spring sigil]

Yeah; Foot of the mountain doesn't seem to effect it either so I presume it's a hardset 5; Nor mana efficiency*

[near leaf]

Yup, that s the difference between mana cost and mana consumed

[spring sigil]

TIL

[near leaf]

Then it's a good day

[raven sluice]

Bluefeather band doesn't affect the boulder cost right?

[near leaf]

From Aftershock?

[raven sluice]

Yup

[near leaf]

No

[raven sluice]

Rip

[near leaf]

It's consumption

Not cost

[raven sluice]

If bluefeather band affected consumption, it would probably be amazing

As is, I don't really know what to do with it

Gain 7 mana per second while using an attack that triggers avalanche boulders. Rather use the crown than that

Crown seems badass

[spring sigil]

Do we think Unearth Shatter totem node is being converted to lightning with the new natural wrath idol?

[raven sluice]

If you got 180 apathy on a shaman with the butchers crown, that's 540% mana regen which would be 6.4×8=51.2 regen, but instead you can gain on hit 90/s

[raven sluice]

Since it's a subskill, I would expect it. But you just have to test

[near leaf]

What node is that?

I cant seem to find it

[spring sigil]

Rejuvenating Splinters

[near leaf]

Ah, yes it's converted to lightning

I tried it

[spring sigil]

I'm playing unearth totem and I've noticed it's started to do some real decen damaging exploding thorn totems; 2mil + pops per thorn. But I'm scailing full light + minion so was just curious

[near leaf]

You mean Upheaval?

[spring sigil]

Sorry; Poe1 brain

[near leaf]

😏

[shut laurel]

you made me realise I'm pretty much playing earthshatter despite scaling spell damage... I even cast warcry

[spring sigil]

The shatter subskill is a spell right?

[shut laurel]

yep

omg I didn't know it was listed on the stats on the character profile

I said 50ish runs but no

the first kill thing is bugged tho

[high stratus]

Yeah but realistically u gotta play a channeled skill with triggers (Avalanche & EQ) or lowlife for that and it'll be lowlife with shit retention

[hybrid mist]

l

[safe crescent]

quick question, do I really need to spec Maelstrom for Yulia's boots to be more effective? I can easily summon maelstrom thru a node in warcry, use Lagon's amulet or manually use the skill? can anybody explain the math for it?

im using EQ bear with frogs build

[near leaf]

À friend got this

[shut laurel]

nutty

[near leaf]

It allows for the buff of the boots to last for super long. it scales with Maelstrom duration. That's why you take the solo Maelstrom

It doesn't care about your number of Stacks, but about how many times it was cast

[safe crescent]

Thanks for the info, appreciate it.

[unreal field]

Really? Avoided putting more then one point it to not drain my mana. Is that a bug or poorly phrased?

[patent dock]

Tooltip bug, the 5 mana isn't supposed to scale with points

[raven sluice]

I liked LL shaman last season. It could certainly be better, but the ice lich gloves are nice with totem nodes

Frostbite shackles*

Otoh, you get a lot of endurance with tsunami

[unreal field]

Good to know thanks.

Still not sure if it is worth it for generating storm stacks as it is hard to keep mana up for more storm bolt damage. Might drop avalanche from my build.

[astral violet]

Is there a good way to build Gathering Storm?

[crude cosmos]

How are bee builds doing? Anyone got one working well yet? Last I heard it was a bit disappointing

[near leaf]

Got a friend doing
He is pretty happy

He went away from Spriggan form

[crude cosmos]

Ok cool. What mastery did they go with? If you don’t mind me asking

[old granite]

Which build or skill generates the most Maelstrom stacks?

[astral violet]

... I think the question is one of consistency rather than just 'the most'. Not sure, though.

[near leaf]

Bm

[mellow kestrel]

Yea its great for mana gain, I just dont know how to make a build like that so decent damage

Thx for the planner fowxyz ! looks fun

[shut laurel]

no problems! if you have any questions I can help

[shut laurel]

I'm kinda curious, do your friend mind sharing a planner?

[rare scarab]

how is this guy so ahead of other primalists, is he using any special new tech or just same old bearnado?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Pang_E/character/totem

[shut laurel]

that build offscreens everything so it makes really high corruption safer than most if not all other primalist build and it's also a specialized monolith farmer

[rare scarab]

So it follows the same old rotation, cast insane amount of tornados and go into bear and run around?

[shut laurel]

yep

[rare scarab]

the nerfs don't cause mana isssues?

[shut laurel]

looks like it doesn't

haven't tried this season

I mean with 1500 mana thanks to the staff you probably have enough to pre-cast tornadoes on bosses and they die before you would run out of mana

and rest of the time you are rampaging for free with rage

[rare scarab]

and when he goes back to human his mana is maxed again?

i remember playing that i think in s2

was fun

[shut laurel]

I don't think he runs out and needs to do that much

flat regen is low but with that big of a mana pool you are now expanding much of it and are sitting in bear form in most cases

[near leaf]

He won't mind, but he is still cooking

[shut laurel]

oooh I forgot to look at idols they dont show up in the planner stats

that's a lot of mana regen actually

[tardy frost]

how many of those are you gonna slot? 15-45% increased mana regen ain't much

[winter ivy]

I wouldnt plan anything around getting corrupted affixes. It's a bit too random to get a decent item AND the corruption you want.

[crude cosmos]

Does cooldown reduction affect shape shifting skills? Like if I pop out of spriggan form and then want to cast it again?

[mortal elbow]

hc btw

[near leaf]

Yes

[winter ivy]

With Tsunami added, is there any chance that Branch of the Hallows finds some real use?

[sly bobcat]

We cold dot bear again

[winter ivy]

Hmm... I do have a primordial whirlpool champion amulet. 12 ward per maelstrom per second.

[crude cosmos]

If a healing totem duration runs out, is that the same as dying for generating vale spirits? Sorry for random question 🙂

[rare scarab]

frogs still op?

[sly bobcat]

Yeah you can just spam them too

[winter ivy]

How well does spriggan form maintain maelstrom?

[sly bobcat]

I don't remember it being very well at all

[crude cosmos]

I can maintain about 8-9 stacks usually with so-so cast speed and spirit thorns. Don’t have any other sources tho.

[crude cosmos]

Awesome ty

[winter ivy]

Hmm... That's not much. I was hoping cold thorns spriggan might be a thing. Hallows + Heart for skill points and ward gen. Then Vithrasil for more thorns.

[crude cosmos]

Yeah it’s not much. Basically enough to get the 6 stacks usually with threshold for haste and frenzy and that’s about it. I use it with physical conversion for the global multiplier too.

[brazen wigeon]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/sabertooth-beastmaster-guide What's a good helm to use here between a Rare Helm and Ekkidrasil?

[tardy frost]

I'm pretty sure that last time I checked this (in 1.2 or so), you could just generate spirits by resummoning totems to force old totems to unsummon due to limit

[near leaf]

Meh

[crude cosmos]

Thanks! I’ll give it a try later today

[near leaf]

Swarmblade could be nice

Dive has a short cooldown

You get 10 flat crit too

[winter ivy]

I dont think Seed is doing a lot for the build. It's generically good, but you could use a Decayed Skull instead. Easier to get, better LP, and DoT reduction.

You could also just use a nice exalt helmet. Primalist has a good selection to work with

[crude cosmos]

Do you know if this works when they are converted to thorn totems?

[brazen wigeon]

Makes sense, thanks

[tardy frost]

it did

[mortal elbow]

Atleast the new boss is a joke to frogs

[patent dock]

Yeah, and can make good use of the dodge per maelstrom stack with enough mael levels

Mildly sad that we no longer have spell phys aftershocks, but maybe lightning spell could be good still?

[sly bobcat]

i slept on dodge as a defensive layer for a long time. wasn't until I tried out wings of discord last season that i realized it can be pretty good

and then they buffed wings lol

[patent dock]

Swarmblade dodge is so nice

[tardy frost]

primalist has a ton of incidental dodge too

[sly bobcat]

i like that it's different from other itemization. you have to actually put dodge affixes on your gear to get to really high amounts instead of being like armor where you get pretty high accidentally because of strength stacking and item bases going up in armor value

[raven sluice]

Is there any usecase for an LP4 draalsting?

[sly bobcat]

sick leveling item?

[raven sluice]

Hmm

[sly bobcat]

it's tied to serpent strike which is pretty bad as a skill

[raven sluice]

Yeah :/

It's super melee

A lot of poison dmg at least

[near leaf]

There might be smth to do with mourningfrost Dex stacking +bane of Winter

For Swarm-nami

Water beetle?

[patent dock]

True

Bane of winter is always fun

[near leaf]

I dont know any water bug names

[sly bobcat]

diving beetles i think?

[near leaf]

Oo

[raven sluice]

"Dykare" is a swedish one kinda. Just means diver

[sly bobcat]

i just remember from Terraformars where one of the characters gets dragged underwater by a diving beetle bugman

[crude cosmos]

Lobster 😄

[winter ivy]

Tornado is still not staying attached right?

[patent dock]

Sad BM has all the dex scaling

[patent dock]

I think the patch claimed it fixed that

[raven sluice]

Crab lul

[mossy coral]

Why do you know this

[raven sluice]

Because åäö

[sly bobcat]

my guess would be "They're swedish"

[patent dock]

Waterbug

[raven sluice]

Hej jag heter Niclas. Vad heter du?

[mossy coral]

You're ÅÄÖ

[winter ivy]

Nice. Maybe Tsunami Swarmblade will be a fun build to try then

[rare scarab]

the frog nerf sseems huge 21 to 9

[mossy coral]

Hej Nicklas, trevligt att träffas

[raven sluice]

Trevligt med en till svensk 😮

[mossy coral]

Cyborgwars is also swedish

[near leaf]

Oh really?

[sly bobcat]

you could just go half and half with the attributes instead of going all in stacking a single one. voidwinter bolts scale damage directly with both stats and then different crit bits per

[near leaf]

Again, not a nerf

[mossy coral]

Insane to see more people being swedish, pretty crazy

[sly bobcat]

it's like dex gives chance, att gives mult

[sly bobcat]

bug fix not a nerf

[winged swallow]

A chunky little chest piece for a werebear

[mossy coral]

@near leaf Mr vlad this is crazy bad but #CrowstackingTsunamiBleed???
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AL08Z0rj

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (71) / Shaman (10) / Druid (12)

General:

▸ Health: 2,334, Regen: 56.16/s
▸ Mana: 103.62, Regen: 5.96/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 94 Str / 13 Dex / 3 Int / 23 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 16% / 119% / 79% / 43% / 16% / 19% / 86%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 467
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (57)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,642)

Used skills:

Maelstrom / Summon Storm Crows / Warcry / Summon Thorn Totem / Tempest Strike

[sly bobcat]

it's fun finding corrupted drops that are naturally usable

[sly bobcat]

there's a lot of words in that title that shouldn't be together

[winged swallow]

yeah 53% HP from a single chest piece

[rare scarab]

same outcome i guess lol

[mossy coral]

One might say why bleed, I say Jormun

Wait, does bleed, shock, armor shred etc all count as an negative ailment?

[sly bobcat]

yeah it's a reduced power level, but it's bad taste to call bug fixes nerfs. it's something that wasn't functioning properly so it got fixed. it just happened that the bug was to the player's benefit instead of detriment like it normally is

[mossy coral]

Like does it need to be a unique ailment or can it be 8 armor shreds for Ladle?

[sly bobcat]

ladle counts unique ailments i thought

[astral violet]

Unique ailments.

Otherwise, maxing it is so trivial that it might as well just give the full bonus.

[mossy coral]

So atm I've only 3 ailments out of 8, damn

Shock, armor shred, bleed

Since I'm not really hitting anything

Chill too I guess

[crude cosmos]

Is there a usual way to scale vines? I think I’m missing something here

[mossy coral]

Spriggan form and Summon spriggan

[winged swallow]

Spriggan form and specific affix's on gear

Like 30% atk/cast speed from summoned vines

also some uniques

[patent dock]

Typical is to spec spriggan form and make them ranged spellcasters. You can do either spell crit (phys or cold) or frostbite

[crude cosmos]

Ok great thanks all

[patent dock]

I usually do cold crit

[crude cosmos]

Is it possible to pair them with thorn totems for more minions?

[patent dock]

Oh okay, hear me out - guile stacking

[patent dock]

Definitely, this is my current build

[crude cosmos]

I was thinking vines + thorn totems + bees lol

Forest army

[hollow mist]

Hi is there an update cookbook's build for scorpion BM for s4 ?

[crude cosmos]

Nice! Mind sharing a planner?

[patent dock]

Sure thing! Here's the rough planner ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWXOD0eL
And my character so far https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/FatherToast/character/Thorn_Totem_Toast

[near leaf]

👀👀👀👀👀

[near leaf]

He just started the season yesterday after the hotfix 😂

[crude cosmos]

Thanks!

[high stratus]

do spirit thorns modifiers in spriggan form enhance vines? I had no idea

[near leaf]

Why not Julra's gloves?

[near leaf]

Yup

[patent dock]

We get super cooldown + flat

[patent dock]

Yes, they do for spellcasting/ranged vines

[patent dock]

No real reason, just figured the newly buffed gloves would be fun, and I always feel weird putting minion dmg + area on Julra's lol

[mossy coral]

Ok changed it a little, it's literally only a Tsunami build lol.
5 crows for the flat, 1 spriggan for 8.8 mana regen. Maelstrom will cost 9 mana/cast and I'd have 32 mana regen. Maybe doable?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qb67Xrj5

[patent dock]

I'd probably have to calc it to see which gives better dps

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.1

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (68) / Shaman (10) / Druid (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,401, Regen: 56.16/s
▸ Mana: 266.12, Regen: 13.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 6%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 94 Str / 13 Dex / 3 Int / 19 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 28% / 131% / 91% / 43% / 16% / 19% / 86%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 38%, Threshold: 480
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (57)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 52% (3,342)

Used skills:

Maelstrom / Summon Storm Crows / Warcry / Summon Thorn Totem / Summon Spriggan

[hollow mist]

ups 😅 thx EHG to let BM without its main tool for a full week !

[high stratus]

so the spirit thorns buffs also buffed vines? nice

[crude cosmos]

Hmm no way to fit bees in here too? 🙂

[mellow kestrel]

@shut laurel hey btw do you have to use lightning upheaval idol for the totem shatter ?

[crude cosmos]

For some reason I thought bees were spell damage not melee 😅 maybe it won’t work then