🧙┃mage

[unborn hamlet]

i dont know the guys level, i just assumed its maxxed since he has +4 on the helmet already thats all

[proven haven]

5/5 comes at like 33 LB points or something

I forget exactly

[unborn hamlet]

around there,

i got 34 myself

42 stats short to 35

but i think ill change gloves to something else once i hit the treshhold, so still at 34

would love to run swaddler gloves but yea, no luck rolling them

[proven haven]

Weaver?

Yea

[unborn hamlet]

i got a bunch of triple T7 gloves i cant craft on cos of 2 prefixes, so if i roll them into INT Cast speed and armor shred that might be much better than mediocre swadlers

or the extra skill point

[proven haven]

Not really sure how to deal with that

Maybe the weaver tree nodes

You dont need shred for LB though

Ladle gives enough

[weary hamlet]

rolling weaver items is still a giant PITA with or without the nodes, I mostly gave up on my essence weaver proc sb for this reason

it's just a wall of no drops and shit rng on rolls

cause most of your drops from the weaver tree node will be the 1h and 2h swords

or I just notice them more cause they give me more butthurt idk

[lunar elbow]

damn this is one hella decent altar

[median tapir]

I got them with tier 7 mana and t6 cast speed

No balls to corrupt them

Its my only non corrupted item

Freaking swaddlers

[weary hamlet]

looks bad tbh, no increased prefix or increased suffix mods, the refracted affixes are mid at best

[unborn hamlet]

best thing i have is maxroll T7 int lol,

[median tapir]

Thats crazy bad

[unborn hamlet]

like i actually have 0 luck on these

[lunar elbow]

4 omen tho

[median tapir]

Its so painfull to random roll them

I hate it

[unborn hamlet]

99% of the omen idols are worse than regular idols with good weaver and good corrupt

[median tapir]

And now ?

[weary hamlet]

omen idols suck cause you drop like 0 of them and you cant corrupt them again

even in builds that could use them

and many builds dont even have useful omen idols

[lunar elbow]

I got a few crazy good omens tho

[unborn hamlet]

you want to see a good altar?

[weary hamlet]

more like any weaver and any corrupt

also corrupt on normal idols is 25% chance to set to max roll

[unborn hamlet]

tbh i got 1 decent one

[weary hamlet]

or was it 15%

pretty high either way

[cosmic dove]

I had a question about crit cap and my off meta Pulsar build
I switched to the weaver ammy and have about +6-7% crit from that.
But for BH/Pulsar I need to have ICRS on belt/boots and I'm using LE and stacking sets, including int for vil set.
I am still very very far away from crit cap on BH/Pulsar. Is there a trick to getting all 3 or is it too much to worry about?

[median tapir]

[unborn hamlet]

now lemme show u a real good altar

[weary hamlet]

yea that's like.. a normal idol

[weary hamlet]

damn thats a good one

I have a few with high roll prefix/suffix affixes but thye have a shit shape

[lunar elbow]

how about this one?

[unborn hamlet]

thats the main issue

[weary hamlet]

yea like this one above, whoever came up with this deserves to be hard locked into this loadout for the rest of eternity

[unborn hamlet]

u know how many double T7 or better altars i dropped that thad useless shape

one too many

[unborn hamlet]

see this is the issue

the 50% sounds like a lot

until u realise this is a terrible shape

and only 3 slots that count towards that

if u look at the pyramid altar

[weary hamlet]

I specifically like the trololo altar with more damage to bosses per unique idol WHERE YOU CAN'T FIT A SINGLE UNIQUE IDOL without pain

[unborn hamlet]

it has 6

[weary hamlet]

except singularity

[unborn hamlet]

i just think the pyramid altar is superior to every other altar maybe except the one that has 6 refracted slots in a rectangle next to each other if ur build uses a lot of small idols

[weary hamlet]

the flat armor altar would not be half bad if it had like 4 refracted slots and not 2 and the 2 being set up in a way that they will be eaten up by a single idol

unless you put like weaver idols there

[unborn hamlet]

these are the best swaddlers i got

if i counted my stats properly and swaddlers give me +36 stats

i need to gain 6 stats to be able to replace my gloves and retain skill points

cos my gloves are ass

[lunar elbow]

yoo what the helly is this item base

it turned into this from a normal opal ring

corruption is one hell of a drug

opal ring -> opal eye ring

o_o

from +2 all attributes to +7 all attributes

and a negative speed modifier

:D

[weary hamlet]

they added a few unique corrupted item bases in this patch

they are pretty rare and getting them with a good corruption is even rarer

so I don't think they will have much of an impact on anything

[lunar elbow]

I was just gambling a couple junk rings and one changed into this purple version of itself :D

[umbral perch]

I'm still using that one, the flat armor is so hard to give up (but only at 150 corruption). Hopefully I find a good pyramid altar

[waxen token]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BM683yyL why is my Flame Reave so squisky? My resistances are good, 1.7k ward during mapping but I take so much damage and get stunned frequently. Can't generate ward as well outside of Teleport and Flame Ward

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Spellblade (85) / Runemaster (6)

General:

▸ Health: 1,939, Regen: 19.72/s
▸ Mana: 312.5, Regen: 8.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 156%, Regen: 101/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 57 Dex / 66 Int / 12 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 206% / 85% / 73% / 75% / 93% / 105% / 54%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 68%, Threshold: 409
▸ Dodge Chance: 17% (563)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,258)
▸ Block Chance: 16%, Mitigation: 31% (693)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 98%

Used skills:

Flame Reave / Mana Strike / Teleport / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward

[weary hamlet]

havent played flame reave this patch but your hp + ward is very low and that's the main factor for getting stunned

maybe with the amount of drs you have you are not actively dying too much but drs don't matter for stun

[carmine abyss]

fianlly got 2 weaver pts from fading brink

[lunar elbow]

I just found some crazy tech

this

plus this

1x1 idol now gives +100% shred chance

sounds reasonable

[weary hamlet]

1x1 idol and a blessing slot

[lunar elbow]

yeah true

I probably didn't need that blessing slot anyway

[rotund ocean]

Giving up all res for that slot is a tough sell

[delicate cape]

yeah unfortunately i think youre right...

[weary hamlet]

especially if you are not on LE

[lunar elbow]

kinda good on res for now :D

[rotund ocean]

Can I get some of that res? lol

[kindred oxide]

Try Titan Heart. 15% DR is massive. 40% Increased Health.

[left hill]

did we get confirmation if the 1x3+3 4x1s in the bottom 3 rows disabling the cooldown recovery is a bug or intentional btw?

[weary hamlet]

havent seen one, sounds like a bug, thus it will probably be fixed when they next revamp the idol system and get rid of the altars entirely, check back in 5 years

[kindred oxide]

This is the idol Altar is using. But mostly because of the stats that are on mine. Would love for a Pyramidal version tho.

2% more to bosses when using throne of ambition is nice.

[tranquil flax]

If I convert intelligence to madness, will I still scale spells and receive bonuses from talents that scale with intelligence?

[rotund ocean]

Yes

[nimble shoal]

Yes, the only thing that changes is int no longer grants ward retention and instead grants the madness stuff

[kindred oxide]

I converted intelligence to madness irl a long time ago.

[rotund ocean]

Relatable

[weary hamlet]

not still sane

[atomic bough]

I play similar build but I would use different body armor

• I would use different gloves and maybe amulet

[atomic bough]

I have 5k ward, 2300HP on my flame reave spellblade

using this

[cunning ore]

Has ehg acknowledged the mana gain on frost claw from indirect casts? Not sure if I’m bug abusing or their tooltip is just wrong. It wasn’t on today’s bug fix notes but the tooltip says “direct casts”.

[formal olive]

Are you indirectly casting it as spellbade and the melee attack is giving mana via Passive Spellblade bonus?

[cunning ore]

Meteor is indirectly casting it, playing as a sorc

[weary hamlet]

dude your expectations are vastly out of touch with how this game is managed, even if you are "abusing" it it likely won't be fixed in the next 3-6 years

[nimble shoal]

I mean, that's totally not true... there's like a 5% chance they crit and fix it out of nowhere

[cunning ore]

lol fair enough. I guess either way it doesn’t change the build much beyond having to focus a little more often

[weary hamlet]

also I just checked it also in a meteor build and the procced frost claws don't regen any mana for me, and I do have that node allocated

I mean can't dodge it anyways

[cunning ore]

Maybe it’s some weird placebo but I swear my mana is better when I’m proccing frost claws than when I wasn’t. Maybe I’m just crazy haha

[full bluff]

I had the same effect, turned out to be the wine and positive thinking. Not the frost claws giving mana

[weary hamlet]

my mana doesn't move an inch (upwards that is) from chain meteors proccing dozens upon dozens of frost claws as long as I'm not casting fireball and/or mana strike

so working as intended on my end

and this was a weak ambush beast lol

[fleet veldt]

With the fix to frenzy on flame reave. Is there any big brain out there that knows if it would be a strong build to go full frenzy effect flame reave?

[proven haven]

And Harby needle, which when corrupted doesnt get consumed on boss kill

Giga

[weary hamlet]

does it work though? I havent checked but the needle is usually exempt from most things

although why am I even surprised

mildly as it is

[cosmic dove]

best one I've made....should I corrupt it? 😂

[proven haven]

Apparently it does

Kinda not bad

[thorny saffron]

Does anybody know why some of the mages for lb runemaster use static ?

[cosmic dove]

does corrupting a weaver ammy always make it reforged?

or am I just unlucky trying

[weary hamlet]

75% chance or so

[cosmic dove]

boo

btw @weary hamlet in that search at the bottom of the barrel
glacier => rime buff really makes (even pulsar -30%) BH pop off

[weary hamlet]

wait a sec, is it increased dot damage or more dot damage?

[cosmic dove]

it is a global more

[weary hamlet]

wait the tooltip says increased

it lied to me

IT LIED

you sure? I need to check it

cause I was just contemplating you know what, a disintegrate build

[cosmic dove]

can you? I am seeing BH DOT tics go up by way more than an increase would make it go up

[weary hamlet]

and 150% global more dot damage is a helluva lot better than craterborn

[cosmic dove]

I thought it was increased from the tool tip but decided to try it

[weary hamlet]

I'll check it just need to unlock the arena zone on my sorc

[unborn hamlet]

pretty sure its HC build

big aoe nuke instead of LB spam

from what i know its mana heavy, and slow

[weary hamlet]

static is pretty decent on lightning proc sb, you can cast 1-1,2 full statics per second or so

but it's completely different from what he mentioned

[thorny saffron]

I’m seeing it on the ladder for high corruption

It’s fairly common and was wondering how good it was

Exact same shell of a character

I’m really struggling with omen’s veil at 400 corruption with LB runemaster and looking for improvements

[weary hamlet]

nah I'm 100% sure it's increased, unspecced disintegrate is doing 1035 per tick in my current gear but it only goes up to 1200 something with this buff

[cosmic dove]

yeah I was double checking and I agree

🙁

useless

I dont like any of the 5th skill choices

I could go static for aegis but 🤢

[waxen token]

I switched to Titan Heart, have 2.7k hp now but still ward is very low

can you link your build per chance?

[cosmic dove]

static orb*

[weary hamlet]

remind me again, brutality gives reduced health leech or decreases your leech by the listed percentage point value?

[atomic bough]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Marmelaaada/character/Maaarmmm

[cold nexus]

anyone got any cool builds to recommend with disintegrate?

[weary hamlet]

do you want cool or viable?

[cold nexus]

cool

im already playing beyblade rogue so i dont need something else thats omega broken lmao

just something to chill farm with

looks cool

[sudden kettle]

Are 60k ticks on fire aura considered good damage in the current patch level?

On the target dummy it's ticking for around 670k

[weary hamlet]

mana stacking mana tank lightning disintegrate

[full bluff]

You could try playing Meteor, it is a different playstyle than typical speed fast attack builds

[cold nexus]

bet ill look into both of those

[weary hamlet]

or you can try coc meteor and it's a fast attack speed spam build

also homing fireballs look real funny

if you go with the blue band then mana pot refill becomes a major mechanic on bosses allowing you to chain a lot of meteors, kinda fun and unique playstyle wise

as you want to time the pot precisely for maximum meteors

[cold nexus]

any linkable guides to this stuff?

[weary hamlet]

idk I can try linking my current sorc alt, wait a sec I'll look up its name. But it's rather poorly geared as I abandoned it rather early

[weary hamlet]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEdxkPrR

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 95

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (54) / Spellblade (5) / Runemaster (29)

General:

▸ Health: 2,131, Regen: 24.32/s
▸ Mana: 180.8, Regen: 6.37/s
▸ Ward Retention: 349%, Regen: 45/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 16 Dex / 126 Int / 37 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 67% / 45% / 92% / 15% / 48% / 73% / 31%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 64%, Threshold: 426
▸ Dodge Chance: 15% (461)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,888)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 101%

Used skills:

Meteor / Flame Ward / Mana Strike / Fireball / Frost Claw

[full bluff]

Not a guid on Meteor, but shows how it plays in Omen Veil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzDlXt-jYXE

[weary hamlet]

I don't think I went beyond 500 corr with that but the build is capable of more

[lunar elbow]

no it's different for set items

set amulets, rings and relics have 75% chance to not get something 100% unusable, and out of those 75% chance there is a 90% chance it reforges into a random item

the last 5% are setting all rolls to minimum, and another 5% setting all rolls to maximum

[cold nexus]

ty ill check it out!

[lunar elbow]

so if you wanna corrupt a set jewelry with the intent of maxrolling it you only have a 5% x 75% chance

i.e. about 1:27

or wait

maybe it's not even the 75%

I dunno

there's this site tho: https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/corrupt

but not sure how the math checks out for jewelry since it has roll values to minimum under both positive and negative outcomes for some reason

[weary hamlet]

rngesus wills it

[unborn hamlet]

by the ´´word of mouth´´ the 25% chance of item getting ´´ruined´´ is for all the bad outcomes, not the ruined item outcome itself

[weary hamlet]

the turtle has spoken

[lunar elbow]

yeah but the thing is it counts randomly reforging a set item as a positive outcome too

and that's the highest weight of all

[unborn hamlet]

if the maxroll is listed as a 10% outcome it should be 7.5% chance to hit maxroll

[lunar elbow]

it's listed as 5%

[lunar elbow]

I think it's 5% x 75%

[unborn hamlet]

im looking at tunklabs because historically its most accurate

[lunar elbow]

i.e. 3.75%

[lunar elbow]

that's not for set items?

check set item + amulet

[unborn hamlet]

? set items are simple 25/75

25% maxroll

75% ruined

there is nothing hard about math there

[lunar elbow]

what are you talking about

90% chance for reforged

which is NOT what you want on weaver amu

that's the worst outcome

[unborn hamlet]

no

its because set items cant gain an affix

[lunar elbow]

yes

[unborn hamlet]

i dunno why tunklabs has this , but its literally just 1 in 4 for maxroll

[lunar elbow]

therefore the only good outcome you are looking for when corrupting a weaver amulet

is the 5% chance to maxroll it

[unborn hamlet]

its not 5%

[lunar elbow]

it's really really not

how many weaver amulets have you maxrolled lately?

[unborn hamlet]

why would i corrupt more than the one i need?

[lunar elbow]

I've completely destroyed about 50 in a row

only looking for the maxroll

[unborn hamlet]

unlucky

[lunar elbow]

yes a little bit unlucky

because it's a 5% chance

it's not a 75% chance

[unborn hamlet]

statistical impossibility still lists it as 1 in 200 on a 5% chance

keep going

[lunar elbow]

but

IT REFORGES IT MOST OF THE TIME

[unborn hamlet]

ur not at the point where ur unlucky yet

[lunar elbow]

INTO A REFORGED WEAVER AMULET

[unborn hamlet]

cant relate

[lunar elbow]

_>

are you dense?

[unborn hamlet]

corrupted 5

maxrolled 3

🤷‍♂️

[lunar elbow]

show screenshot

[unborn hamlet]

of what lmao

[lunar elbow]

of 3 maxrolled

[unborn hamlet]

i can screenshot the same thing 3 times and you wouldnt be the wiser

cant really look into my stash can u

[lunar elbow]

still just saying

[strange needle]

I did also maxrol 1 after 3 tries

[lunar elbow]

to get a single weaver amulet maxrolled you can expect to reforge about 20+ at least before you get the 5% maxroll chance

[unborn hamlet]

most people maxrolled 1 in just few tries

there is no way its just 5% maxroll

im sorry

[lunar elbow]

they are the lucky ones

it is just 5% maxroll

if it isn't I will eat my socks

[unborn hamlet]

ur just hitting statistical impossibility

[cold nexus]

this looks omega satisfying lmao

hell yeah

[lunar elbow]

even tunklabs says it's 5%

[unborn hamlet]

same way i ruined 14 items in a row

[lunar elbow]

the site you yourself quoted

[unborn hamlet]

unlucky for u i shattered all the extra amus i had

my stash says i got none in it

[unborn hamlet]

i see the tunklabs bro

here ill just try on this

[lunar elbow]

that's a helmet

different odds

[unborn hamlet]

it rerolled into random item

tho i just found something interesting

[lunar elbow]

yeah that's the most common one

[unborn hamlet]

thats not even bad lmao

[weary hamlet]

lol rngesus keeps delivering today

[unborn hamlet]

if it had 16INT actually a good ring

[lunar elbow]

yeah ferebors reforged trait gives int

actually goated

[unborn hamlet]

no

[weary hamlet]

wtf does the screenshot even show up

[unborn hamlet]

the point is

i can just reforge ferebor rings

farm for a good ring LMAO

[lunar elbow]

you can just shatter ferebor items

[unborn hamlet]

this opens new doors for sure

yea but look at the ring

[harsh abyss]

A well-rolled ferebor is good until you get a T7 int ring you can craft it on to

[unborn hamlet]

literally rerolled into a 3t7 item

sorry 2t7t6

i got enough shards for the sets

i can just try corruption on em

see if i hit jackpot

[weary hamlet]

just corrupt it you'll get 5xt7 bis stats right?

[unborn hamlet]

yea pretty much

dont have anything to do with corrupted runes outside of random rolling that one infinity corruption ring till it bricks or hits gold anyway

might as well try to hit gold this way

kek imma keep trying this

well , looks fun, guess i could grab few set ring prophecies now xd

[lunar elbow]

haha yeah rolling those rings are pretty fun

[unborn hamlet]

damn bro u gave me something fun to do

can RNG my way into a good ring instead of the barely ok trash i have

[lunar elbow]

but I don't think that one can roll the special ring sub type tho

or maybe it can

[unborn hamlet]

i dont care about the special subtype

look at this sad thing

[lunar elbow]

why not? it gives like 20% cooldown reduction and +7 all stats

:D

[unborn hamlet]

dont even get me started on my gloves

im gonna farm frost lich for envy lmao

good thing i got like 500 of those keys

[proven haven]

Minus MS, dead

[lunar elbow]

xd

it's just a few percent minus

[proven haven]

Im partly joking

[lunar elbow]

one thing I'm curious about though

is it only regular opal ring subtype that can roll into that one?

[lunar elbow]

or can any ring?

[unborn hamlet]

here is ur another maxroll xd

[proven haven]

I don't think so?

[lunar elbow]

I only ever got one and it was from an opal ring

[proven haven]

Should be any shouldn't it?

[lunar elbow]

so I dunno

[unborn hamlet]

i got the super corrupted belt

the only diff was it had more potion slots

[lunar elbow]

damn lucky

[harsh abyss]

I kind of assumed it would be any, having a corrupted base that ONLY corrupts out of the similar base feels super limited

[sterile ledge]

goddamn, why the ms affix gotta be min roll

and nearly max crit receive too 🙃

[polar flicker]

For Spellblade Does a procced lightning blast not chain (ex. flame reave)? Description says "chains to an addition enemy for each time it has been directly cast." Does the + chains not care about this or do I just not understand directly cast?

[harsh abyss]

You can add chains to it but it wont get those default chains or the ones from Arcing Power.

[polar flicker]

ok ty

[pale cedar]

i assumed that the crit receive didnt matter if you had 100% reduced bonus damage from critical strikes. Its near max on reduced bonus damage so 16% more and it doesnt matter if mobs crit every hit

[sterile ledge]

Yeah I thought about it after and it's fine haha

But still, sad on the MS. still will be fine for now at 63%

[pale cedar]

Are you trying an ignite build?

[sterile ledge]

Nope!

I'm full direct cast multi meteor haha

[pale cedar]

Ah gotcha, still cool boots! I feel like 3 lp on those are pretty rare

[sterile ledge]

It's the % fire damage that drew me to them over others

[sterile ledge]

1/3.7k according to tools 😅

Currently using a pair that was 1lp that I slammed 30% onto and they're super fun from a flavour perspective, dropping meteors everywhere and leaving a flaming trail as I run around zooming with ww

All procs I'm running around at 130%~ ms

[left hill]

found shiny garbage 😅

[inner wagon]

I ran that build s1

Lich was good

[inner wagon]

You can try finding 2 lp, corrupt to three affixes then reroll it

Or get lucky with nemesis with two mods

[sterile ledge]

Oh yeah these will sit in my stash until I'm sure. Still farming more copies so I can mess about with 2lps

[last stump]

wtf are the odds on replaced with a random rare item corruption..........I've now slammed 3x 3lp relics and then corrupted them for ALL of them to be transformed into a random rare item

[vapid osprey]

Hey, been working on a Volcanic orb core hit build with the new set rings. As the orbs orbit around me I noticed the hit box don't reach me. essentially the hit box of the orbs create a donut. is that intended because visually it look s like enemies should be getting hit by the core but instead if they are in melee range they don't get hit. My question, is it a visual to hitbox bug or is it supposed to be like that, if so I'm stop with the core volcanic orb build.

I was playing with explosive ground for a bit so never notice the core was not hitting anything until I went straight core.

[unborn hamlet]

The easiest way to test this is on a dps dummy, as it doesn't move

[carmine abyss]

qq, so if I cant manage mana which means I should reduce my corruption lvl?

lightning blast btw 355 mana atm.. can clear maps just fine but lacking mana often

it doesnt happen in lower corruptions

[cosmic dove]

@weary hamlet how goes the disintegrate build planning?

[vivid wedge]

Lightning blast and not SS? What planner?

[carmine abyss]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVaP8Y64

this is my current setups

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (26) / Spellblade (7) / Runemaster (60)

General:

▸ Health: 1,646, Regen: 25/s
▸ Mana: 366.86, Regen: 10.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 438%, Regen: 31/s
▸ Attributes: 44 Str / 39 Dex / 225 Int / 34 Att / 41 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 47% / 156% / 56% / 45% / 73% / 91%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 45%, Threshold: 329
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (156)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 59% (4,184)

Used skills:

Lightning Blast / Flame Ward / Frost Wall / Runic Invocation / Glacier

[carmine abyss]

I am at 971 corruptions atm but I cant manage my mana. I ran out of mana couple of times but dps wise is fine

should I reduce my corruptions to 700-800?

I gave up on SS because I find ranger suits me more

😆

[harsh abyss]

Swap Glacier for Focus and get Null Profusion/Null Infusion and you can quickly tap it for 40% of your max mana.

[carmine abyss]

then I lose teleport?

[harsh abyss]

Use.... teleport?

Or spec Enigma in Runic Invocation and use that to teleport

[carmine abyss]

I am using glacier for teleporting.. I need to dodge DoT mostly in fights

and iirc glacier cd is quite short

can spam for running faster

i have only like 27% movement speed.. slow af I hate it but I like keep my int high

[median tapir]

Lol

U just Spam potions

Cause of Belt and ladle

For mana

Its that simple

[carmine abyss]

yeah.. I know but still have to pick up potions quite often which annoys me when running normal maps

[median tapir]

Yeee

[carmine abyss]

the problem is in lower corruptions I didnt have mana issue

i guess I should lower my corruption

just for peace of mind

[median tapir]

Hmm

[weary hamlet]

it wouldn't be so bad if relic slot wasn't locked to a couple of better items in all builds

[weary hamlet]

well I wasn't planning it in my sleep, but also I generally wasn't planning it cause it inevitably boiled down to the same old that disintegrate sucks without embrace and without being on spellblade too. The damage loss from swapping to sorc or rm and spine is rather catastrophic even without SE

there's also the mana stacking lightning disintegrate build I mentioned yesterday that's gonna have an impenetrable asshole but it's also gonna do no damage whatsoever

cause the max mana node doesn't work on void damage

also I was thinking about lightning builds and the stupid legends entwined was creeping up on me again and I hate how most mage builds just boil down to abusing it

[kindred oxide]

it turns out that Ward Gain on Kill is a really good stat for Omens

[harsh abyss]

@weary hamlet I was doing some math, and I think Focal Blast overtakes Convergence for total damage dealt at 15 chains, due to the way Frontloaded works.

[kindred oxide]

ive made many defensive upgrades here and there, but none as big as this corrupted tier 4 ward on kill lol.

I can only imagine what a tier 7 could do

[weary hamlet]

nice but we don't have good ways of hitting over 15 chains now, do we? Also maximizing focal blast would take like 40 points in the skill

also how does Countenance of Mana even work now that LB can chain baseline?

let me guess.. nobody in EHG has a clue

[harsh abyss]

I need 1 more level in LB to find out

I'll probably know tomorrow morning but I'm about to head to bed. I wondered that too

My guess is it either disables the base chains, or it just doesn't function at all, lol

OR for maximum irony, it only works while at 0 mana (with Innate Conduit because it disables chains)

You'd need level 35 for focal blast to get maxed out, I think.
And as for chains: +2 from Static Orb, +3 from standing on runic invocation

[weary hamlet]

yea I mean we do have sources of chain to hit 15 but I wouldn't call them good or convenient ones

[weary hamlet]

as for points you'd want another 6 to take Halo Effect cause it should inherit the more multi from FB as well (haven't tested might be broken)

without any utility points it lands me at 39 points req

either way we are cooked

you'd also land at what 20 mana cost if you stand on the glyph pepega

[half pollen]

halo effect does inherit the more multipliers. The only thing im not sure about is how or even if Shattershock works for it. The rest works for sure

[weary hamlet]

can't be too confident in LE

[half pollen]

getting the points in LB is a pain though. Without extreme stat stacking with the weaver amulet you only get to 33ish

[twilit jasper]

THE FACT THAT THIS GAME WONT EVEN DROP ME A +4 FLAME REAVE BUT GLADLY DROPS ME THE BASE I NEED AND +4 TOTAL FLAME REAVE IS ADDING SALT TO THE WOUND 😡

[half pollen]

Getting a +4 on a skill is pretty rare though. I usually just take any T7 with a free slot, put my skill on it and then rune of havoc it until it hits my skill

[twilit jasper]

RARE????

IVE GOTTEN THE WANTED ONES ON EVERY OTHER CLASS INCLUDING PLENTY +4 METEORS

[half pollen]

well lucky you then

[twilit jasper]

worst part is i cant even replace my current armor

stun immunity is too nice and ele res will drop me below

[half pollen]

Personally I would 100% swap that chest

who needs res when the enemies are dead

[twilit jasper]

i have a 3lp exsang waiting that i could switch and even this chest non corrupt would have let me switch over to ward instead

well see how it goes

204 necrotic res just kill me

[weary hamlet]

I mean it's good that the tree offers you choice (at least an illusion of it since mathematically there will always be one best path in any given gear setup) but it's also hilarious that it takes that many points for a niche build of the skill to be at least remotely competitive

[proven haven]

Does that math account for the spark charge you arent getting anymore?

[half pollen]

yeah, the more damage per chain probably needs to be bumped to 40% or something. you get 10 chains from the tree, which is 300% more damage already, which sounds like a lot, but for a skill with 100% damage effectiveness its not enough. Frontloaded and halo effect also double your damage each, so all in all the tree gives like a 16x damage multiplier before shattershock. But losing the spark charges sucks.

[proven haven]

I could see the single target maybe becoming comparable

But rip your AoE

[half pollen]

yeah, the halo effect doesnt even hit the 3 dummies that stand right next to each other, it hits one of them at most

if the halo effect was twice as big or something it would help a lot

[proven haven]

Doesn't it?

Hmm

I forget, thought it did

[spring crag]

@proven haven hi, I would like to ask. How to play igneous well?

that thing is very very hard to aim

[half pollen]

I tested it yesterday and I only ever got a hit on one additional dummy besides the primary target

[proven haven]

LoL yeah it is

Stand on boss and tap flame rush

[spring crag]

like hydra has way more qol

[proven haven]

Yep it does

You would use hydra for clear

[spring crag]

indeed

[weary hamlet]

I forgot, was halo effect even fixed for convergence? Cause getting 1 halo per cast of Focal and 5 per cast of convergence LB is omegalul

[twilit jasper]

died to a t3 300 corruption omen. cant do without stun immunity

[proven haven]

Increased AoE doesnt increase the fall radius though, only the impact size, so with some AoE maybe you can make it feel better as a single target

The damage is higher than hydra if everything hits

[weary hamlet]

it gets worse, most subskills that deal area damage lack the AOE tag so they aren't even scaled by AOE increase, and/or their parent skills also lack an AOE tag and don't get it when these subskills are allocated

[proven haven]

You'd think thematically Mage would be the AoE master

[weary hamlet]

you just made five typos in "rogue"

[proven haven]

In my mind rogue would excels at single target blasting bosses and stuff, and Mage at AoE

With some overlap, obviously. Since you are solo

[half pollen]

well thats partly true

rogue is better at single target than mage

[proven haven]

And aoe

[weary hamlet]

and everything else too

[proven haven]

And staying alive funny enough

[weary hamlet]

also this just came in, rogue is better than mage at ward, with like a total of one affix budget

maybe two if you are generous

[proven haven]

Sentinel also does this for mage too

Remember when we had sorc warpath? Now we dont have AA anymore too

Despite being way weaker than warpath already xdd

Tbf im guessing someone was abusing this for some toxic oneshot ramping stuff

[half pollen]

I hope they finally rework AA in one of the next seasons now where they killed the last use of it

[proven haven]

You should at least be able to use TP while in AA or something imo

[half pollen]

make it a high cooldown skill that grants 90% damage reduction and gives you the ability to just blast out your spells in a narrow timewindow

[proven haven]

Like that would make sense as a mage theme

Giving DR is also troll because you take like Uber

Unless you oneshot during that

Now you have a bunch of hazards the rest of the fight

And probably 20 stacks of frailty

Same reason why disintegrate feels bad

[unborn hamlet]

Some classes can already survive the slam from uber

[proven haven]

Mage can too

If you go giga mana tank lol

[unborn hamlet]

I can sometimes do it on LB lmao, adding 90% DR to you is basically gonna make you immortal

[proven haven]

LB shouldn't survive slam?

[half pollen]

just dodge it (its not dodgeable right?)

[unborn hamlet]

It hits for roughly 15k after all my DR,

[proven haven]

Idk but I dont think the huge DoT afterwards is anyway

[unborn hamlet]

2kHP +endurance + roughly 10k ward shield and if I pop flame ward for extra DR I can take the hit

Still, only sometimes, it's not worth the time loss if I die

[proven haven]

Oh I guess hm

[unborn hamlet]

I just flame rush out of it

[half pollen]

just flame rush + flame ward inside, with flame rush DR it should be an easy survive right?

[atomic bough]

Iam stuck at 500 corruption, didnt get any good item in like 4 days

[unborn hamlet]

It's more about having the 10k shield on first slam than flame rush tapping

I would have to make it before I start the boss fight

It's more for the second slam at the end

[half pollen]

well in the last 4 days I lost my 3LP T7 T6 T5 traitors tongue because of a rage corruption and didnt find anything either, I hope you feel better now

[unborn hamlet]

Oh yeah, I'm also on a plateau for my build now

Only easy upgrade to left is getting 2LP entwined ring or 1LP with useful corruption

So far I had bricked about 40 rings

[half pollen]

man corruption can be so brutal

[proven haven]

Time to start your 2t7 grind

[unborn hamlet]

Nemesis always gives it a random stat instead of LP

It sucks ass

If I don't already buy it at 1LP it's just gonna be a reroll fodder

Then the fact I need to hit +5 all per set

[half pollen]

I got most of my lp3 from nemesis

[atomic bough]

does mage have any good caster builds?

[proven haven]

"And then there was one final ring, forged in the deepest fiery depths of Eterra, containing all of the power of the mages"

[unborn hamlet]

Yea but legendary potential plays a role in getting LP from nemesis

[proven haven]

Sure, the list is: LB

[unborn hamlet]

The higher it is the less likely you are to hit LP instead of random stat

Yo frozen, I found easy way to make multi t7 items

[proven haven]

Legacy?

[unborn hamlet]

Since they removed the conventional way,

[half pollen]

bazar?

[unborn hamlet]

Can be done season too

No bazar

[atomic bough]

nice list 😄

[proven haven]

Okay my body is ready

[unborn hamlet]

Drop set items and corrupt

[proven haven]

What

[unborn hamlet]

90~% chance to reroll random item, and it's heavily weighted for exalts

[half pollen]

well you get bullshit base and bullshit stats though

[unborn hamlet]

I got multiple 4t7's or better, it's just random what you get obviously

[proven haven]

But this isn't useful though for most cases

You cant slam, cant imprint, etc

[unborn hamlet]

Can use

Many classes use set items

Especially if your own sucks like mine

[half pollen]

its really nice on a new char that desperately needs a set item, but I used like 100 corruption runes on sets and I couldnt make real use of a single item

[proven haven]

Yeah thats fair, but if you are stat stacking, and 90% of the time you are, and the unique gives stat, you still cant get stat twice on set reforged

[unborn hamlet]

It can have sealed affix that can also roll t7, the corruption can roll t7 the set stat can hit t7

I got gloves with 5t7 +T6 with good base

Unfortunately no INT

[proven haven]

Can the reforged come with corruption affix?

[unborn hamlet]

Yeah

It does

[proven haven]

Okay maybe neat

[unborn hamlet]

That's why I'm mentioning this

I'm pretty sure they gonna patch this if people abuse it

But it really is very easy to hit multi t7 with something you need

[proven haven]

Still cant make 70% ms boots though I think, or maybe you can? Did one of the shards have it?

Or beat unstable, but maybe t7 int + t7 whatever +1 all skill

Idk if its really that universally strong

Its super situational

[unborn hamlet]

I don't think unstable has a replacement unless you hit something insane

Oh yeah for sure, I can only use it for gloves and rings

[weary hamlet]

they still haven't run out of ward they stacked in 1.0 with the busted healing hands interaction

[unborn hamlet]

Helmet too, but helmet has way too many stats so it's giga random there

[proven haven]

Idk if it really needs a nerf, though I kinda hate that this 1 step yolo process into pray for finished item is the way you get there.

[unborn hamlet]

I just tried it cos I'm desperate

They removed the only way to do it

So now I have to casino my way into it

[proven haven]

I hate that everything is so disposable, while simultaneously taking so much effort for relatively small upgrades so early in gearing

[unborn hamlet]

Tho this set corruption is very useful for early grind

Early career

I mean campaign

[proven haven]

Yea thats true

[unborn hamlet]

Unless you have leveling stash, which most people don't, it's very useful, and not hard to do

[proven haven]

I feel like end game gearing needs to be rebuilt from the ground up though

[unborn hamlet]

I dislike doing 1 thing to get what I need

But the meta went from troves to neme towere

So you still do the same thing on repeat

[proven haven]

Nemesis is even worse though because its full shotgun approach

[unborn hamlet]

If ground loot wasn't so useless I doubt people would complain about imprints getting deleted

[proven haven]

If ground loot was better then MG now dominates even harder probably

[unborn hamlet]

I'm playing 1k corr, my loot filter shows me ALL t7+T6 and more, every class,

I get

3-4 drops

In 10 hours of playing

And it's almost always a necklace for some reason

I don't even have necklace imprints

[proven haven]

Idk if its that different for me playing MG at like 800c or whatever

Tbh

[unborn hamlet]

CoF perks do actually nothing to help this

[proven haven]

Imprints? Yea

[unborn hamlet]

It just drops more T6 garbage

No, the drops too

[proven haven]

Oh yeah idk the COF bonuses feel too weak

[unborn hamlet]

Like yeah im swimming in a sea of exalts,but it's garbage so bad we might as well not have any perks

[proven haven]

Maybe COF should just not have rank up bonuses for random loot and just replace it with really power prophecy system

With better targeting

[unborn hamlet]

Yea, like stuff chance to roll prophecy for 2LP or 3LP item

1 drop per X

For 100k favor

Or something

[proven haven]

I like the idea of the random drop boosts but feel like every new system added doesn't properly interact with it so it just becomes another advantage for MG that interacts with everything that drops tradeable items by default

[unborn hamlet]

Still random what you get, can't even call it broken

[half pollen]

and they need to get rid of the reroll system where you sit in a UI for 20 minutes and press reroll reroll prophecy and repeat, that thing causes burnout

[unborn hamlet]

CoF is just a disaster, but I have no patience for MG cos it's god awful too

• I like getting the items myself

But yeah, CoF as a "guild" is utter trash and needs very big rework

[proven haven]

Yeah even though I'm not a fan of PoE economy, I feel like its a lot easier to filter for and price items than LE

[unborn hamlet]

Issue with LE is also history of gold bugs abusing

People with billions of gold in legacy

So if someone drops something good it's automatically listed for billions, cos normal players will never be able to afford it

[proven haven]

I dont think we've had that in the last couple seasons though, legacy will eventually fix itself with sale taxes

[unborn hamlet]

There is zerrick map resetting now

Why is this a thing

[weary hamlet]

it's a design failure that you get showered in mountains of utter trash, they should make targeting loot through it at least remotely in the range of "targeting"

[unborn hamlet]

Grind millions of gold and bones in just couple of hours

[weary hamlet]

uh the what? I wasn't keeping up with all the cutting edge abuse

[unborn hamlet]

And you wonder why I'm coping with corrupting set items now

It's so bad

[proven haven]

Oh weaver zerrick

You mean

Lmao

[unborn hamlet]

Yeah

[proven haven]

Yeah I tested that last season

Its kinda crazy

[unborn hamlet]

That's gold abusing too

Just not on the level of the season 1 issue

But it's still gold abusing

[proven haven]

I think its very different

At least its a strategy in the game

[unborn hamlet]

True.... But it boils down to the same thing

[proven haven]

S1 was just instantly gold appearing

[unborn hamlet]

Didn't get zerrick to spawn? Restart echo

That's a mechanic abuse

You just brute force it

[proven haven]

But you get penalized for resetting an echo!

👀

[unborn hamlet]

Oh noe... Whatever im gonna do with not getting 4 random crafting shards!!!!!

Don't even get me started on the echo drops

Virtually everything is useless except the EXP

And woven echoes maybe

[proven haven]

COF buffed confirmed

[unborn hamlet]

😔

[proven haven]

Im actually curious

If you just did targeted tome farm

I wonder if you could get some giga xp/hr

Each tome doesnt give much though idk

[unborn hamlet]

I get , roughly if I do 3/3 bonus

1.2m

That's without the double possibility

If that procs 2.4m

[proven haven]

But further gives more tomes

[unborn hamlet]

The close echoes to the center gives less tho

[proven haven]

Is that for far?

[unborn hamlet]

Yeah

Far echoes

1.2-2.4

Close ones give anywhere from 300 to 1

[proven haven]

So about 2600 cof favor

[unborn hamlet]

I don't bother with the close ones at all, only if they are in my path

[proven haven]

Kinda meh

[unborn hamlet]

That's the CoF description

They killed imprint farming, CoF got deleted from the game basically

I think imprints should have been the CoF mechanic

That would make sense to me

[proven haven]

Imprints kinda benefitted MG more than COF though tbh

Cof needed them to function basically but MG got more value still

[finite cobalt]

I'll mention that they add new runes and stuff to craft but I still drop 30-40 FP items at lvl 99 / 500c, like ok no way I'm gonna hit a rune of removal, sealing a set affix, upgrading afffixes, havoc'ing randomly, then finishing the item. God forbid I want to change the base or implicit rolls too

[unborn hamlet]

That's why I'm saying imprints should have been a CoF mechanic

[proven haven]

Yea probably

Idk it feels like it kinda fills the same purpose as prophecies

[unborn hamlet]

Trust me, even on 60+ this process is almost impossible

[proven haven]

Except better

[unborn hamlet]

They didn't feel the need to tweak FP costs in 6 years

[finite cobalt]

yeah that's why I agress with frozen saying they need to remake the gearing in endgame, it's atrocious. I've basically dropped my char because it's just so bad to craft good exalteds

[unborn hamlet]

So I doubt they ever will

[proven haven]

I think the limited FP also hurts the exalt vs legendary balance they've been trying to address for a while.

It does take less FP to get a 2 or whatever LP slam base than make an actual exalt you want to use

Other affix doesnt matter, no removal or chaos gamble needed in most cases, base doesnt matter, seal doesnt matter

[finite cobalt]

considering how rare havoc runes are and the RNG behind it, FP needs to get a buff for sure

[unborn hamlet]

I get the exact item I need

[finite cobalt]

nothing worse than missing havoc 3-4 times and you lost 30+ FP lol

[unborn hamlet]

2 affixes bis on top

Exalts are bottom

Havoc havoc havoc

-24

-24

-24

[finite cobalt]

FP and CoF simply didn't follow the updates, basically

[unborn hamlet]

Congratulations, item is bricked

Like

Get in my back with that BS

[strange needle]

There are a million things they can do to fix the endgame ,to fix crafting in general but idk they seem very persistent in their way of this is how we want players to interact with our game doesn't matter that exalts can brick in like 3 clicks or you miss multitude of slams at julra

All I feel nowdays is forced bad rng on top of me while no qol to my experience as a player,they will never add havoc runes prophecy which doesn't make much sense ,since the casuals also need them more than me, I can just go farm uber and be full of them

Pretty sure no one actually tried the endgame in this league since its idol farming and altars 99% are just useless ,most exalts drop in said omens are corrupted so even if its multi exalts its useless,and uniques drop corrupted when having them drop with lp would be way better

[atomic bough]

would be better but also you would be done with game in like 2 days

[strange needle]

You are already done in 2 days if the entire grind is to get 5 idols and a decent altar

[weary hamlet]

yea FP should probably not be infinite but as they add more bells and whistles to exalts the limit is getting worse and worse, items should have like 65-70 by now

[weary hamlet]

it's the legacy of 2010-2020 or so game design, back then nearly every major company believed that they must force their players to play the game only in the way they personally intended

[weary hamlet]

I see no contradiction, aren't 99,999% of all other drops you get also useless? Same old EHG

[strange needle]

By now I think we are due on halving fp costs even 60 fp items disappear so fast

[weary hamlet]

but it adds fRiCtIoN

and eXpEcTaTiOn

and a bunch of other buzzwords

ah yeah well whether or not you will waste 0 or 25 FP on a click is DiScOvErY

[strange needle]

True but shouldn't the new mechanic have good loot attached to it since the good loot method is gone idk thats how I see it😅

[weary hamlet]

it does, you can easily get a corrupted weapon at level 5 that will be better than anything you'd have until 500 corr+

its just that your and the developers' expectations of "good loot" are in different universes

it's just a lack of vision, if they want LE to be an "eternal game" with infinite progression, then why is this progression so bad and gameplay even worse? Like the actual process of playing your character, running echoes, killing mobs etc?

[strange needle]

Its op for campaign and early monos thats for sure

[weary hamlet]

and if they want you to be done with it in a limited time frame, why are the drop chances on every good item so low? Why is corruption infinite?

they need to decide what they want their game to be, I mean, they needed to do that 6 years ago

now it's in deep identity crisis with no discernible way out

[strange needle]

For me making a difference between campaign and endgame monos should exist

[weary hamlet]

time to roll the runemaster

[weary hamlet]

uh wtf does the image fail to load for anybody else?

[proven haven]

Same

[weary hamlet]

damn it worked yesterday

123

[harsh abyss]

@proven haven No, I was only checking to see how many chains it would take to have the More damage from Focal Blast and Frontloaded overtake Convergence.

If spark charges worked like a normal proc effect where it inherited More damage, that would mean I wouldnt need to look at that... but alas, convergence will always win with the current state of the game.

Also the mana cost would probably be unsustainable. 4 points in Chain Lightning and the node in Glyph of Dominion is a total of +18 mana. With the speed you cast LB, thats gonna drain you real quick

[weary hamlet]

lol rgesus hates me, corrupted a 4 lp draalsting I planned to level up a new sb with

and it corrupted into losing legendary

[harsh abyss]

Rip

[weary hamlet]

I still have a 4 lp hammer of lorent

gonna brick that one next

[whole jackal]

What do we think about brand of deception in 1.4? I think we can get some good extra shock chance due to idol altars. I followed @proven haven 1.3 brand of deception build and even with low investment seems already pretty solid

[proven haven]

I talked about it a bit already, I think it should be strong with the new sources of attributes and shock chance

Idols do a lot of BoD

[full bluff]

This is a brand build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2p1EGi4-eU

looks like very good damage and clear

[proven haven]

Yeah this honestly looks really solid

I'd be cautious on expectations though thats full 2t7 or better with legacy gear

BoD scales really hard with gear

Specifically dex / att runic invo is really gear dependent since you dont get the free stats from int

[unborn hamlet]

just go out there and drop the gear bro
-EHG this season or something

[full bluff]

Trying to get unstable core with T7 meteor and T6/7 int, and lucky corruption. Final item on the list...

Then maybe back to chasing that T7 movement speed belt...

[strange needle]

Thats debris for you solid build as always

Good gear for the win

[full bluff]

T7 movement speed belt and T7 movement speed idols improves the gameplay a lot, so not just power, but also how a char feels to play

[whole jackal]

Alright will try to collect shock idols and first and then shall see

[whole jackal]

Yeah this guy is super stacked

Also saw that

I wanna try the strength stack version with cleaver solution and bastion

For omen windows your really gotta be tanky on higher corruptions

[proven haven]

The issue with strength stack is that there arent great AoE invocations for str

Strength

Otherwise it might actually be a good build, wouldnt want that!

Unironically I think str stack Fire Aura might be decent

With this level of gear id be ticking for probably over 1m per second

Maybe 2

[whole jackal]

Haven't played around much with runic invocations, but isn't plasma orb pretty good for aoe?

[proven haven]

In theory yes

But it has a hit interval

Its not a true "aoe"

[whole jackal]

I see

[proven haven]

With the amount of monsters in omen veil Im not sure its enough

Havent actually tried it but just assuming

I wonder if ignite proliferate with wildfire is good actually

With that much density idk

[whole jackal]

Man I love the triple fire (aegons fireball or smth) invocation. But yeah

For aoe

[whole jackal]

I'll give it a try. Pieced it together according to your old planner with plasma orb and felt pretty good in the first 2-3 maps on 500 Corr with only 1 shock idol.

Right now outside shopping shoes with my wife, so I have time to theorize about builds 😄

[proven haven]

I made a s4 planner for dex stack

Not for str yet though

[whole jackal]

I wanted to go for a very tanky approach at first and I really like the cleaver + bastion synergy

[proven haven]

Yea that one works. Str plus plasma orb is pretty low DPS though

You need some AoE somewhere

[unborn hamlet]

may i introduce shattered worlds to you...

[proven haven]

P orb would probably work as AoE swap if you have all attributes like exulis or whatever

[unborn hamlet]

that permanent haste is a real life changer

[proven haven]

Gotta hit that permanent frenzy corrupt

[unborn hamlet]

true.. but these are very limited for me

even the dex makes me happy xD better than the 23% minion dmg i have on the other one

but thanks to flame rush i basically have permanent frenzy already so its fine

[main meadow]

So guys, what is the fastest way to build tons of ignite stacks?

[cosmic dove]

black hole with uncapped fire res

(that might not be the fastest but it will build a lot of ignite)

[proven haven]

Idk about most # of stacks but probably the highest damage stacks

You can probably get more lower damage ignites other ways if thats your goal

[cosmic dove]

btw Frozen I dont know if you saw
but one point in Cascade Fracture will make Singularity and Scattered work together
which would be 2x the number of ignites (I think) for your BH one-shot dreams
(if you are OK using that interaction, of course)

[proven haven]

? Why does the fracture make the hole apply more?

🤔

[cosmic dove]

sorry, it is scattered (so you have two BHs overlapping often) + singularity (for the 100%)
normally you cant do both of those at the same time
the 1 point in Fracture lets you for ... reasons

[proven haven]

?? But its a recast

Oh.

That sounds like a bug

We take what we can get though

Scattered is kinda shit though. Its really unreliable

[cosmic dove]

it does but it will take 2-3 years to get addressed so ...
(I did say if you felt comfortable)

[proven haven]

Unless you fudge it into a wall or something

Pull boss to wall

[cosmic dove]

yeah I hear you. but it is nice for clear and if you have the moving BH nodes it does a decent job overlapping them

[weary hamlet]

aaaaaand the lorent hammer corrupted to min rolls lol

[proven haven]

Maybe something like this with ignite proliferate or something wildfire would be okay for omen veil

Idk

The issue is that ignites are mostly applied when bhole diredtly on top of enemy, and bhole has no pull if you take the ignite nodes

So it just trolls itself

[cosmic dove]

Im only recently back to LE but this seems like a common theme

[proven haven]

I think you could do a collapse setup that would have better clear, but the single target is poo, because again. The fire res to ignite nodes dont apply to it lmao

Wildfire kinda solves this as you get ignite on hit but its like 700% on pulse instead of 10000% per second on the bhole on top

[cosmic dove]

that reminds me. we were debating this before here
does this apply to Collapse?
(kinda a moot point since you need 2 points in it for singularity but more for science sorta question)

er Pulsar/Collapse I mean

[proven haven]

I didn't actually test that

[nimble shoal]

No, unless they changed this in S4, but I can't see how they would make it apply gracefully

[proven haven]

Its possible they reworked some stuff of how the conditionals are handled. Eg. The supermassive node didnt work with ignites before

Idk about proximity for subskills though

[cosmic dove]

yeah I only mentioned it because you were, uh, focused on the little details in you BH video

[proven haven]

Yeah I pretty much gave up on collapse for ignites because the res stack didnt work

So anything else didnt feel worth exploring

Now crit based bhole is a different story

That could be interesting

[cosmic dove]

that's what I am playing
though at the complete casual level and nothing like you all are TCing
Pulsar/Crit/BH + Meteor Shower to cast in between BH CDs
it is very meme level as @weary hamlet likes to remind me 😉
but it is very comfy in 300c and for casual cook-your-own build I'm satisfied with it

[proven haven]

Id consider dropping meteor from that just for the sake of mana sustain

The math on indirect meteor is so tiny vs bhole

Like the total damage applied is peanuts in comparison

I think when I did the math a single bhole was doing like 1.5x the total effectiveness of a full direct cast meteor per second

[cosmic dove]

that sounds about right
I like it in clear though. even with 4s BH CD it is painful. since everything for Pulsar (gear wise, etc. not BH tree wise obviously) also helps meteor I ran with it
on bosses I tend to drop BHs only

[weary hamlet]

btw why is arcane flames 5% more hit damage vs ignited, why do developers hate dot builds?

[proven haven]

Oh I just meant thr auto cast meteor in bhole tree having poor synergy with your meteor

Since you still pay full meteor cost for only 1 meteor

And use an extra bhole point to do it

Self cast meteor still fine, for fire pen if anything

[cosmic dove]

oh sorry, I'm fully self casted meteor. I didnt explain that well.
is there a way to make autocast meteor in the BH tree work?
I tried it for about 2 seconds and noped out of there

[weary hamlet]

same problem as coc meteor but the skill has enough tree to profitably invest your points even without multi meteor

[weary hamlet]

short version, no

[cosmic dove]

ok good. at least I figured that out 😂

[proven haven]

Non multi meteor sucks ass unless you can find some way to abuse the hell out of recast chain or something

Especially if you going fire and dont get stardust

[weary hamlet]

yeah it's played in builds that abuse chain recast

[cosmic dove]

I am sure it falls off at higher corruption but the area clear on meteor shower w/ 6 meteors + heat flux I really like

[weary hamlet]

still shit with BH

[proven haven]

Yeah meteor self cast is kinda fine

I just think the bhole meteor node is shit

[weary hamlet]

meteor self cast looks promising, proc meteor looks a lot worse this patch

[proven haven]

Yea

[weary hamlet]

bh meteor is just troll

at this point they should revert it to using non-specced meteors

[proven haven]

Proc meteor is just waiting for an abuse to take it to Uber instajib territory

[drifting crest]

Holy it's the legend himself FrozenSentinel!!!! I've been playing your Runemaster Autobomber Fire Aura. APpreciate the build man!!!!!

[cosmic dove]

what annoys me is that it is sort of obviously troll based on some quick napkin math
which sorta of describes 95% of mage skills 🙁

[proven haven]

Im sorry for the pain it is likely causing you

Xd

[proven haven]

Yep

We just need a lot of numbers

[drifting crest]

Y'all think Wings of Argentus is better than using Titan Heart for Flame Reave?? I've seen both variations at high level usage and feels like Titan Heart is better but I hate that no life regen aspect.

[harsh abyss]

I wonder if Butcher's Crown is the way to make this work so you can sustain health and mana

[drifting crest]

Nah you're good. I wanted to play Fire Aura so bad lol

[weary hamlet]

I've been stuck with my shitty coc meteor in like 550 corr although I haven't really grinded it hard, just you know a bit of exploratory grinding

[proven haven]

I looked at this actually its kinda weird with the focus thing

[weary hamlet]

for uber oneshot I think I'd want to improve my damage by about uh 1000%

[proven haven]

It sorta bugs out and says -100 mana regen

Maybe that was just because of AA though idk

[weary hamlet]

but it's a blue band build it might be inferior to LE builds

[proven haven]

Self cast meteor could probably "oneshot" Uber with another idk 3000% damage?

[harsh abyss]

lol

[proven haven]

I was insta phasing it in 1.3 with vilatria ladle though so

[cosmic dove]

I'll get right on that 😉

[rotund ocean]

Get the falcon to cast meteor

[proven haven]

You mean dive bomb?

[rotund ocean]

Just memeing

[proven haven]

Dive bomb is just meteor reskin with a minion tag added for some reason

Change my mind

[rotund ocean]

Basically yeah

[stone rapids]

well

[harsh abyss]

Also scales like 100x better

[stone rapids]

and good targeting, and aoe, and damage…..

[tall canopy]

Can any melee skills be converted to Void? Trying to find Synergies with Lament of the Lost Refuge but coming up empty

[rotund ocean]

Mage doesn't have any

[tall canopy]

That's a bummer. Looks like the spear's been around since Beta too

Alright plan B: How do Tri-elemental skills scale with %Fire/Cold/Lightning Increases? Does it get the full benefit of each one?

[full bluff]

If you could get chance to not consume potion to 100%+, get meteor coc to self chain react, sit in mana guide focus and watch the reaction spamming potions...

[proven haven]

Yeah I brought that up when we saw the new thing, they added that cap

Sadge

[proven haven]

Internally skills have an amount of damage of given types. Fire damage increase will increase the portion that does fire damage only. IF you had "increased damsge with fire skills" hypothetically it would work on the total damage

[spring crag]

@proven haven do you think black hole is viable for farming now?

[half pollen]

Well with 1000 mana and focus this should be 160 mana per second which isnt too bad. But it sucks that butcher occupies the head slot

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, head slot is important to a lot of builds

[tall canopy]

Hm, I have Ele Nova w/ with Crest of Unity in mind. So I should assume that the damage of one cast of nova would be 1/3 cold, 1/3 fire, 1/3 lightning and receive the respective specific elemental damage increases accordingly?

[harsh abyss]

yeah, that's how it works

If you have 90 flat damage, it'll do 30 cold, 30 fire, 30 lightning. If you have 100% increased lightning damage, it'll do 30 cold, 30 fire, 60 lightning.

[tall canopy]

Nuts, I was afraid that might be the case. There goes my hopes of triple dipping.. or whatever that would be 😹

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it would be super busted if that was the case.

[rotund ocean]

You can always stack elemental damage

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, you just stack generic damage - elemental or spell damage applies to all 3 portions.

Also the penetration granted by resists from Crest of Unity applies to all 3

[weary hamlet]

the problem with oneshot for proc meteor discourse is that theoretically it's possible with the build as is.. or rather would be, if it had like 15 potion slots

potions become a major DPS cooldown

and you are very much encouraged to chain them together for obscene amounts of meteors

I mean probably still won't be a real oneshot as you are gated by meteor fall speed/delay but you get the gist

[weary hamlet]

for that matter profane oblation is just meteor reskinned with a minion tag added..

a closer comparison even gameplay wise

[cosmic dove]

are you suggesting LE devs are slow and lazy? 😛

[weary hamlet]

why of course I do

also misguided

lacking vision

inconsistent

and insensitive to players' pain points

[cosmic dove]

speaking of pain points

4 stat points from 360

[weary hamlet]

chapter 9 and 10

[cosmic dove]

wait those give stats?

[weary hamlet]

yeah lol 1 to all stats each

[cosmic dove]

TIL

[proven haven]

That reminds me, need to finish campaign on my s4 dude zz

Step 1 level 100
Step 2 Uber
Step 3 ???
Step 4 finish campaign

[weary hamlet]

havent finished the campaign on a single character this season, but aslo I'm not 4 points off a breakpoint

[drifting crest]

Yall prefer titan heart or wings of argentus when playing flame reave?

[rotund ocean]

I have to finish the campaign every time because I want the two to all atts, and I hate that I feel obligated to do it because of that lol

[proven haven]

Why not just complete all missing passives, idols, whatever when you beat regular abby or something

Like automatically

[rotund ocean]

Personally I use wings of argentus, but I'm not a top 50 spellblade player, most people use titan heart for good reason, because the added health and DR is too good to pass up

[weary hamlet]

I don't play FR but I would go with titan's heart, as it doesn't risk getting rekt if you stop for a moment to attack

it's less about stat budget and more that your survivability should be dependable

[drifting crest]

ohh titan heart is more defense huh. i thought wings of argentus was hahaha

[tall canopy]

Is Flame Rush the only way to trigger Runic Invocation?

[weary hamlet]

same reason why people dislike wall of nothing, 15% parry is worse than 15% flat DR

[weary hamlet]

wings has higher DR but it's not up all the time

[rotund ocean]

Because If I don't get it done at that moment, I will never get around to doing it lol. I don't wanna go back and do campaign when I'm 500C+ deep, I'll feel like I'm wasting my time

[drifting crest]

gotcha thanks for the tip!!

[proven haven]

Sorry I dont mean why you dont, I mean why not make it so that any uncompleted rewards from campaign are automatically finished when you do abby

Or whatever

[rotund ocean]

Oh yeah, I wish they did it like that

[weary hamlet]

nah they should just unlock passive and idol slots per mono boss kill

[proven haven]

Sure but I also dont want to finish campaign for +2 lol

[nimble shoal]

I think they've said something about adding ways to get the campaign stuff from the monolith

Obviously not in yet, but the addition of "knowledge of Orobyss" seems like a step in that direction

[rotund ocean]

Yeah the new questline to skip regular monos was nice

[verbal whale]

is crest of unity and elemental nova just bad? I've had two 3lp crests drop this season

[rotund ocean]

Elemental nova in general is bad, yeah

[verbal whale]

sadge, the item is cool, but I dont play mage so I wasnt sure. I never see it being used so assumption is that its not good

[rotund ocean]

Flame reave is a better nova than elemental nova

[cosmic dove]

woot chap 9 did it

[weary hamlet]

elemental nova is so bad no amount of uniques are salvaging it

[weary hamlet]

always had been

[zinc pewter]

elem. nova is realyy cool though

[unborn hamlet]

i got new playtoy for my LB

absolutely massive corruption

it was worth the 7 ruined belts today

[weary hamlet]

also ele nova got an arcane explosion cosmetic.. right about the time BLIZZ DELETED ARCANE EXPLOSION

[rotund ocean]

That corruption is bugged mate, it actually subtracts attributes

[weary hamlet]

if there is a better example of LE development I haven't found it

[unborn hamlet]

nope, works just fine

[rotund ocean]

Maybe they fixed it this patch and didn't put it in the notes

Because a lot of people were reporting it bugged

[unborn hamlet]

that bug ur talking about is specifically for titan heart and sanguis from our extended testing on it

also, even if u have titan heart with it

its even more bugged

cos it counts

if u have it in ur inventory and not equipped lmao

if u put it on, then it substracts for some reason, if u remove it from inventory, u have normal stats, and if u have it in inventory and not equip it, then u got extra stats

and it stacks too if u got multiple

we reported the bug

stats counting just fine on core

[verbal whale]

equal rights for all skills please. I want to be able to play with all the bait uniques and not have a terrible time

[unborn hamlet]

u can try frostclaw sorc then

proc ele nova from frostclaw

its actually fun especially if u got area increasing nodes and items

[proven haven]

Disgusting corrupt holy

[unborn hamlet]

i know right: even the double T7 armor that dropped and then managed to roll it and then managed to slam

and then this corrupt on top

my hands actually shaking still

[proven haven]

Even in 1.3 it took me ages to get 77 unstable lmao

Stupid rolls

[verbal whale]

dont tempt me to make my fifth character, that does indeed sound fun

[unborn hamlet]

i still have the gear in my stash

could manage up to 800corr

just cant kill ubby cos ailment builds are a joke

this is roughly the uniques u need, (ignore the strand of souls)

[proven haven]

Isn't RM better?

[unborn hamlet]

but for nova, most important +6 ele nova crest

[unborn hamlet]

i played both

sorc has better tree for this

[proven haven]

Hmm

[unborn hamlet]

on RM i was stuck on 400

swapped to maxroll sorc build

went to 800 on the same items basically

[proven haven]

What does sorc have for FC?

Ignite sorc..?

Ooh frostbite

[unborn hamlet]

frostbite

[proven haven]

I guess the FC ele pen mana efficiency is probably decent

On idols now

[unborn hamlet]

i was not sure how it helps either and then figured like fk it might as well try

and it indeed worked very well

oh yeah , forgot to show belt

either u can use spidersilk to cover some resistance or i used orian belt for extra INT and smite fun

even more stuff on the screen x!)

[proven haven]

Oh it might be bugged or something, giving more damsge than expected

Idk I tested way back in 0.9 or something

Either way it applies to the ailments

But you get a lot of cold pen already

So it shouldn't do that much

The harmony whatever spear could be interesting though. Shred to frostbite