🧙┃mage

[harsh abyss]

Because it says "+1 lightning damage per 2 int" in the set bonus

[shadow relic]

sick

[robust junco]

Your meteor now deals Fire and Lightning Dmg

[little pagoda]

think he means he thought meteors only does fire

[harsh abyss]

All flat damage is added as the type it's added as, unless it is UNtyped, which means it assumes the base type of the spell

[cosmic dove]

oh I read that as +1 spell damage to lightning spells

see above, noob newt

[harsh abyss]

So if it specifies a type, it'll always be that type EVEN if the spell is converted in some way

[cosmic dove]

and it's the full damage = both types correct?

[little pagoda]

you prob also get another skill point thanks to the weaver amulet in that setup

[cosmic dove]

or just the portion coming from the +spell damage?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, the only thing that matters is the Stardust node only affects the vilatria damage, not the base damage or damage from your ladle (all 16 of it, lol)

[weary hamlet]

because typed flat damage gets applied to all of your skills regardless of tags

[little pagoda]

hmm no cratorborn buff on the meteor?

[weary hamlet]

where adaptive flat (which is most flat in the game) takes on the type of the base damage of the skill

[harsh abyss]

Craterborn is only fire penetration, and you have so much cast speed from idols and ladle it doesn't matter

Almost all of your damage is still lightning, even with the 240 base damage

20 flat damage is the same as the base damage, with the 1200 effectiveness, and Vilatria is giving you like 100 lightning

[little pagoda]

what about mana sustain?

because 103 mana per meteor xD

[harsh abyss]

Teleport for free spells + archmage + null profusion (focus)

You'll still delete your mana pool, but nothing should survive

If anything survives the duration of your snap freeze, you're probably fighting uber

My planner also doesn't have blessings, so there's a bit more mana there. You could also get some from corruptions or changing your idols or whatnot

[little pagoda]

I need more skill points xD

[proven haven]

I ask about binary system in b hole;
#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[weary hamlet]

doubt that you'll get an answer on that one

[proven haven]

Will see, never know

[cosmic dove]

thank you for trying at least

[weary hamlet]

we'll see in two days

although I'll likely be AFK for thursday

[cosmic dove]

there's also the Collapse does cold damage but has a Void tag thing which is obviously a bug

[proven haven]

If it is a bug, sometimes they do fix it afterwards

[weary hamlet]

so by the time I'm back on the weekend all the spicy tech will be discovered

[proven haven]

I reported several LB bugs for 1.3 and it got fixed post release

[harsh abyss]

I'd been reporting the Halo Effect bug since like... .82, lol

[weary hamlet]

tbh it's a shame that there isnt a void conversion for black hole

you know to pair it with uh em void VO I guess

[cosmic dove]

I would think the visibility of bug reports varies depending on who is reporting them

[harsh abyss]

Maybe that's what the Pulsar node should do

[weary hamlet]

only took them 4 years to fix it!

[little pagoda]

you up too doing a meteor build or sticking with bhole?

[cosmic dove]

partially because I get stuck on the "fantasy" of a build instead of "what is broken OP this patch?" but I just want things to be consistent/logical
Binary System splitting damage between fire and cold is already a negative because fire pen earlier in the tree doesnt help the cold half
so the least they could do is tag it Cold so that could be leveraged

[harsh abyss]

Well, tags on subskills don't actually matter that much usually because they inherit their damage from the parent skill, which already converts all damage mulitpliers/additions to "generic". It only matters for things like "ignite on fire hit" sort of modifiers

[proven haven]

When triaging a bug the biggest concerns are;

1. Number of users impacted
2. Size of impact
3. Effort to fix

If a popular build is getting a lot of visibility and people are playing that build at higher numbers, it makes more sense to prioritize imo.

So there probably is a content creator effect to a degree, though less about favoritism and more about how many folks are impacted by proxy

[harsh abyss]

Like, intelligence subskills don't get their own scaling from the intelligence tag. They just inherit the "%increased damage" from their parent skill that was gained by it's intelligence tag

[cosmic dove]

So there probably is a content creator effect to a degree, though less about favoritism and more about how many folks are impacted by proxy
Yeah in the D4 world I know if Rob or wudi notes a bug it often is addressed quicker just because of the size of the audience

[proven haven]

The main reason cold tag is good here is for +1 level

From unstable core

[harsh abyss]

oh yeah totally, that was in response to the void tag on Collapse

The idea of pulsar making it so all BH damage is converted to void and overwrites other conversion would be super cool

Also a void Binary Star would probably look sick as hell

[cosmic dove]

thanks for the planner btw @harsh abyss

[little pagoda]

does meteor actually have 16m dps in that setup

[harsh abyss]

🤷‍♀️ IDK, I never look at dps calculations. That's @proven haven's job. I'm just here for the vibes.

[little pagoda]

ty cece

[proven haven]

Dont forget that blood gloves deal 250% mana spent as damage to you. Kinda spooky

[harsh abyss]

Tbh with the new amulet, blood glovea probably arent worth.

I just slapped em on because quick and dirty

[wise belfry]

what's the new amulet do again?

[harsh abyss]

1% flat crit per 40 attributes.

So you're probably getting around 7% from it with that build

[little pagoda]

you get a lot of attributes on those setups

easy more tbh

[harsh abyss]

Plus meteor has 9% on the tree

With that and the increased crit per int, you're probably capped.

[little pagoda]

you get 53 all stats stats in 'perfect' gear on those kind of setups

tbh I dislike madness on a lot of builds

[harsh abyss]

Madness for this build just makes too much sense to forgo. Easy crit cap so more crit multi is great

[obsidian quarry]

If a melee attack consumes firebrand stacks with incinteration, will it just boost the melee attack, or also triggered subskills?

[harsh abyss]

Oh, even more crit you dont need from the offhand.

5% base
9% meteor
6% amulet (conservative)
5% catalyst

25% flat crit means you need 300% increased to cap, which is way less than what you have from Int alone

[weary hamlet]

subskills can inherit some of the stats but if it triggers major skills they won't inherit anything

[proven haven]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message well there you go, our bhole will also be cold

Nice

[harsh abyss]

Basically any skill you can specialize in never counts as a subskill, even when triggered

[heady echo]

ferox?

[little pagoda]

yeah the set ring people use

oh wait I spelt it wrong

ferebor

[rough minnow]

yall think

that lightning shatter strike is a thing now?

[heady echo]

yes

probably huge with bbc

[rough minnow]

think nib also works alongside?

or does that one not convert

[heady echo]

it converts yes

[rough minnow]

oh neato

did you happen to make a planner for it

im curious

[weary hamlet]

huge bbc you say? on a more serious note, how much dex are we even stacking with that one?

[rough minnow]

hundreds

[harsh abyss]

Dixterity?

[rough minnow]

That's a good character name

im not super amused

that the shatter strike levels still gives cold

[vivid wedge]

Could probably get to the ~200 range?

Between that and nib and pen in SS tree..

[rough minnow]

lemme sketch a tree... im out of practice

[vivid wedge]

I've got a bunch of cold SS planners but 2h SS + lightning mucks up skill levels

[rough minnow]

They thought of that but not levels

[robust junco]

2 things
they don't like to do generic increase dmg
Its to tell you either go melee Cold or go Frostbite

[rough minnow]

"melee" woulda been fine

even elemental melee

[vivid wedge]

Also dex works with BBC but gives cold dmg to SS

Still not bad but not double dipping as hard

[weary hamlet]

yes but is it actually worth it?

[rough minnow]

oh

[heady echo]

pretty easy to hit 120

[rough minnow]

so dex is not that worth then i guess

[weary hamlet]

if you mean baseline scaling it was addressed in the patch

[heady echo]

for 2h builds take less efficiency

and use wings

also cleaver solution jormunns set with brutality conversion is more damage than double scissor

[vivid wedge]

oh thank god

[mild bluff]

with alluvion do what skills do you go to get the most out of the dual elements? or is it better to just focus on cold/lightning?

[vivid wedge]

I was not looking forward to farming that

[heady echo]

katana jormuns with jormunns affix as a prefix not as a sealed is max damage

[little pagoda]

is this something I can stick on firestarters torch?

[robust junco]

What about Frostbite then?

Or the procced cold spells that are in the tree?

[hollow bolt]

is anyone league starting flame reave?

[glossy quarry]

shatter strike is tankier now

[calm plinth]

How's the kitchen been today Chefs? 😄 did we cook something spicy ? 😄

[harsh abyss]

Yes

[hollow bolt]

with alluvion just focus on cold and turn surge cold and have it proc the tidal waves too. dont know how good tidal wave will be but it is 600% effectivness. can meme a bit with it atleast

[rough minnow]

maybe if it was "damage with shatter strike" like hammer throw works roughly

[rapid axle]

whats the meta for mage now that spark charges is nerfed? anyone cooked some good builds?

[verbal whale]

I was messing about looking for any idols you could do stuff with corrupted altars and reliquary nest giving a potentia 110% increased effect of prefixes. And 80% suffixes. I saw there's a 1x3 that gives 5 static charges a second. I don't really play or build mages. Is there any real benefit to being able to generate a large number of static charges a second ? Like surge + static maybe? Or is it just bad

[rough minnow]

I was looking at a hybrid ignite and fire aura build. not sure if its what youre looking for but i made a tentative planner here https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qdzk0ELk

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Spellblade (80) / Runemaster (13)

General:

▸ Health: 3,642, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 144.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 264%, Regen: 159/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 10 Dex / 107 Int / 6 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 250% / 72% / 96% / 92% / 92% / 70% / 70%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 728
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (50)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 67% (5,568)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Enchant Weapon / Flame Reave / Flame Ward / Surge

[little pagoda]

I guess if I go this route to try get super cheap meteors I lose legends entwined and all the sets so maybe not

[harsh abyss]

You also lose the More Damage provided by the sorc mastery bonus

[hollow bolt]

well dread pointed out the new node in flame reave where it goes out comes back in, goes out and recomes back in. you're basically hitting an every 4 times but it has a 3 second cooldown. if you could put it to 0 with enough cdr then it could be decent single target which flame reave always lacked

i was wondering if anyone was going to try it

[left hill]

can get up to 145% ICRS this patch for spellblade I believe, 175% for Flame Reave if you take the nodes for it. so 1.09s CD I guess

[hollow bolt]

so then what you'd do is surge to proc flame reave and alternate back and forth. direct cast surge direct cast

kind of goofy tbh lol

[rough minnow]

cooldown flamereave would prolly work around rhythm as even 1 sec cd seems a bit... high

[rain badger]

Yeah 1sec is an eternity in ARPGs lol

[hollow bolt]

yeah you'd have to use surge to bypass that 1 second

[rough minnow]

ideally 2 surge flamereave repeat for rhythm xd

[hollow bolt]

yeah sounds kind of clunky

[weary hamlet]

might as well use firebrand with the synergy nodes and cooldown flame reave, although I guess the recast won't benefit much

and yeah that's still gonna be strictly worse than just spamming flame reave

[weary hornet]

Here's a ham fisted draft for my starter (pre Uber, pre 2t7) Since gear requirement is low, will roll with this until I'm geared for a autobombing lightning meteor mage. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGzygepm

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (15) / Spellblade (51) / Runemaster (27)

General:

▸ Health: 1,512, Regen: 32.64/s
▸ Mana: 217.18, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 336%, Regen: 219/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 24 Dex / 103 Int / 13 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 135% / 102% / 75% / 75% / 95% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 488
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (131)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,796)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 4%

Used skills:

Mana Strike / Ice Barrage / Frost Claw / Volcanic Orb / Static Orb

[cosmic dove]

excellent! thanks for asking.
and I think you have your next thumbnail now 😉

[tribal veldt]

kinda hilarious how good firebrand is now on paper (thankfully it compensates by feeling really bad to play with lol)

[ashen glacier]

is that melee?

i havn't played mage in a forever

[tribal veldt]

it's melee and in a small rectangle in front of you, not like a sweeping attack

[cosmic dove]

@harsh abyss so now that cold damage and cold tag on binary system is confirmed, does that mean Collapse should inherit 50% fire/50% cold?
(not the tag but the damage)
it starts as 100% cold now and I think (?) switches visually to fire but I don't know about damage type

[weary hamlet]

it can be kinda long when you already have stacks.. except that you need to move deep into melee to start building them

omegalul

[heady echo]

should name the hot cold bhole build icyhot

[cosmic dove]

🤣

there's a Pulsar / Collapse joke out there too but I can't think of it

[weary hornet]

Prolapsed singularity.

[cosmic dove]

slightly more seriously is there much point to mana stacking sorc to 1000 anymore?
most planners I see stop at 300+

[weary hamlet]

depends on build I guess

[cosmic dove]

last noob question for a bit
is the vilatria's set bonus usable on BH/Collapse? with Binary System would BH be doing all three elements w/ damage?

[weary hornet]

If you're mana guided, yes.

[weary hornet]

Black hole isn't converted to lightning at all unless I missed something in atch notes.

Or you saying the int to lightning damage ... Which should add a little to it then if I understand correctly

[cosmic dove]

yeah the damage part

[weary hamlet]

vilatria's set works on all skills

[weary hornet]

Sorry, brain skipped straight to meteor conversion.

[cosmic dove]

Zerax's BH tree suggestions were already using invokers + legends for skill points
I figured vil's helm would be 1 more skill point and the lightning spell damage set bonus

but wanted to check because...I'm often wrong LOL

[nocturne hamlet]

Anyone have a planner for a spellblade shatterstrike lightning dammage ? (I already played fire aura last season for sure it will be better this season 😅)

[glossy quarry]

Holy shit that can go lightning too

[night cedar]

If there’s a shatter strike + frost claw build that’s what I’m running this season. Please let me know if you figure it out

[vivid wedge]

It's just a mana question

You hit a lot, FC has a on-hit node and spellblade passive does too

But SS costs a lot with the recast node and FC costs a lot to indirectly cast, so probably need to drop the SS recast node and it's workable

[night cedar]

What about using the fc mana efficiency idols?

[calm plinth]

calculating attack per second would be just base attack speed of weapon * %attack speed, right?

[rain badger]

Is it just me or is Firebrand nearly 100% mandatory for all spellblades?

[heady echo]

not cold

but fire/lightning most likely yes

[calm plinth]

yea, for Fire/Lightning it gives significant boosts, depending on what you want ot build it can be either main spam attack, upkeep buff, or consume buff (but it will be 1-2-1-2 type of game play)

[vivid wedge]

Worth a try especially if you go lightning SS, as there's a ton of FC mana efficiency locked behind either lightning or fire conversion

[calm plinth]

when trying to calculate DPS for a spell, what would the stat that says "Increased Spell Damage" do?

1. Increase the base of you Adaptive Damage (spell damage flat source)
2. Is additive with all other "Incrased Damage"

[celest pond]

Increased always means additive percent

[proven haven]

You can add flat damage to B-hole yes. I think the two main camps for b-hole are Ailment vs added damage.

You could even do something like the void gloves for a really cheap path to 200 flat + 200 pen

so basically like 600 flat void, more or less. That's like 4800 flat base per second

[little pagoda]

does BH not crit? or does it count as a dot

[proven haven]

dot

[left hill]

I wouldn't use it on shatterstrike i don't think. what's the pitch?

[harsh abyss]

Think this would translate to the pulsar collapses?

[proven haven]

it should, yeah. Collapse is 300% added

but it reduces DOT damage by 30%

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

[proven haven]

So 800 -> 560% per sec + 300 = 860

effectiveness per second

wait collapse can crit

well that's interesting

what happens if you take the "center of blackhole can hit" node

[weary hornet]

Collapse will trigger crits and proc meteor half a map away with the belt.

[proven haven]

...???

[weary hornet]

Yep, it's insane at the distance.

Nice little blind too.

[proven haven]

the range is somewhat misleading

[weary hornet]

I mean, not sure what else it could have been unless fire / lightning aura is a hit, but I don't think it is.

Possible meteor shrapnel has an amazing range.

Doesn't seem to do that when I'm not running black hole tho.

[calm plinth]

Napkin math 5+M DPS and 9k EHP (7k vs 1shot) up until where you guys think can clear?

[weary hornet]

And never considered using the center as a hit ... Not specced cold / fire at all, so didn't seem worth looking into.

[proven haven]

I dunno if it has a skill scaling

[little pagoda]

every meteor build I look at ends up having to be some sort of proc build

[weary hornet]

Cuz this game punishes stationary play.

[lament wedge]

can I yoink this? I've been looking Meteor Frost Claw with Harbinger of Stars

[proven haven]

it seems buggy

like it doesn't consistently hit throughout the duration

[sacred kite]

Absolutely! Wasn't even my idea originally, I modified a build from reddit into lightning

[weary hornet]

Also, dual black hole node is bugged.

Need to have a point in the node to recast for it to work.

[lament wedge]

I probably mod it myself also, I just need the passives baseline. I still not figured out on how to mix and match around passives 🫠

[little pagoda]

hmm do you not use the new set amulet in this? for the skills/ crit?

I guess it has low total stats

[cosmic dove]

I know you guys are riffing but I'm confused as to how you could combine "crits don't do more damage" and pulsar. Or are you saying the flat damage add is so large you don't worry about crits?

[weary hornet]

Uncertain? Crits are always nice, but some builds need crit without crit multiplier.

Like manastrike.

[sacred kite]

I guess you could, I'd never say my version is the best one. I posted it here specifically because I doubt it is lol

[proven haven]

Actually hold on... 6 meteor direct cast has around 250x flat multiplier total in the tree.

B-Hole assuming 2 with overlap and all the nodes has around 350x flat multiplier per second

[cosmic dove]

ffs is anything on BH not bugged?

[weary hornet]

Armageddon works :P

[proven haven]

So B-hole does more damage than self casting 1 meteor per second

with collapse

while being passive, and not costing all the mana

[proven haven]

separate idea

not using gloves for collapse

[weary hornet]

Like, in its current iteration?

[cosmic dove]

Yeah that's why I have been interested in pulsar

[weary hornet]

Or based off next season's stats?

[little pagoda]

can it sustain the fireball spam + procs? if it can you can go weaver amulet + cast speed idols

[spark summit]

Sorry if I missed it, but would this be with binary system? Or two charges w/ pocket dimension?

[little pagoda]

should give higher crit chance as well

[heady echo]

probably need binary to scale

but can trim points from ignite maybe?

to get more more

[harsh abyss]

This is what I was thinking, if you have Pulsar + Scattered + Gravity's Guile, you're getting 3-4 hits per second (Depending on how gravity's guile hits and if your black holes drive so both of their centers hit the same monster)

Those should recharge your crit stacks for your gloves and next black hole by themselves

[sacred kite]

No idea honestly, we're going to be testing it live. No spreadsheets were used here. I think the more cast speed the better to maintain your mana, but between craterborn, arcane ascendance, LA, T7 on staff and frenzy you already have ~280%

[weary hornet]

@proven haven I just tested. Collapse has a decent range and can proc meteors at a respectable distance, but I think it's shrapnel chaining meteors from across the map. Shrapnel doesn't have a visible register when it hits (like damage number). Meteors just drop. Shrapnel doesn't have a graphic with it either. I don't understand how it works.

[harsh abyss]

Shrapnel used to have a graphic i think

[proven haven]

I think Gravity Guile and Scattered are both biats, tbh

unless I am missing something

the phys hit doesn't seem to have scaling or anything

and scattered prevents using the 2x damage node, plus takes 2 points to get

which increases your cooldown

[harsh abyss]

Yeah but you get 2 collapses per second, which can both crit

[proven haven]

2 collapses at less than half the damage

[harsh abyss]

Which would be good for recouping the glove stacks

[proven haven]

oh... I think if you go collapse you can't go gloves

losing 5x multi damage is kinda rip

unless you want to snapshot cheese

I'm guessing that works

[harsh abyss]

Nah, snapshotting feels lile exploiting

[proven haven]

yea it would suck to do anyway

except for boss kill

[weary hornet]

And scattered doesn't work at all without at least a point in cascade fracture. I assume that was known.

[proven haven]

assuming all the nodes actually work for collapse, you are looking at around 350x base flat per second

idk if they do though

I kinda like it though

[harsh abyss]

I think they do, none of them specify DoT, we were looking at that the other day

[proven haven]

Cool, you just go vilatria staff then

stack int

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

Thats what my original planner has

[proven haven]

oh nice

idk this seems decent, if it works as expected

could see it easily do 1000c

for better clear could swap for scattered just for coverage

uber probably viable too

since you just drop it down then dodge stuff

[harsh abyss]

Yeah we were using scattered to hit the whole screen.

[heady echo]

how many skill points do you need to max blackhole more? assuming not taking the boss/rare one

[harsh abyss]

Like... 40

[heady echo]

scattered with max cascade fracture and singularity works

it dupes the holes

bhole can also be duped by wildfire ember and wildfire embers can dupe the bhole with cascade

[harsh abyss]

Yeah but then you dont get your smexy +skills amulet

[heady echo]

tru

im gunna test on season launch to see if wildfire dupes stuff any better since the tickrate is now .5 vs 1 second

[proven haven]

cascade sucks for adding damage to ignite b-hole though

wildfire is bad for single target

it hopefully excels at clearing

[heady echo]

yeah it might work for this crit thing

i just wanna test the duping

if duping is consistent then single target is alot easier, cuz the whole area become bholes

[proven haven]

oh I see. I think on paper it was like 30% more damage?

assuming it worked perfectly

but the opportunity cost is pretty high

you likely lose more than 30% for that slot

not being +2 or more

it gives fire res though

[heady echo]

yea, its also a good test of duping in general since bhole has a much longer cd than like fireball or flamereave

[heady echo]

and a ton of life

flame reave wildfire wasnt thaaaatt bad, but duping didnt use the tree at season start

[proven haven]

I did get to 4000 ignite stacks

just messing around

kinda neat

[heady echo]

with wildfire?

[proven haven]

yea

kinda weak stacks though, mostly

[heady echo]

and bhole or flamereave?

thats also without the .5 tick rate

[proven haven]

hmm... idk what I changed but I got a 1.5B dummy hit

[heady echo]

oh i also need to test bhole area scaling.

[heady echo]

sheesh

[proven haven]

a lot of ramp though

[heady echo]

max elemental area idols, area on gloves and amy

[proven haven]

but no julra ring, no gloves equipped

[heady echo]

oh with this setup frozen, you can get +1 more skill

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP698J93

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (54) / Spellblade (23) / Runemaster (16)

General:

▸ Health: 2,629, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 392.39, Regen: 12.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 160%, Regen: 48/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 14 Dex / 55 Int / 14 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 895% / 168% / 302% / 112% / 85% / 153% / 69%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 526
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (56)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 20% (769)

Used skills:

Black Hole

[proven haven]

yea that's basically where I was, except with sword

level 41 bhole

but no wildfire

if wildfire is even good idk

[heady echo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q9J19MqE

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (54) / Spellblade (23) / Runemaster (16)

General:

▸ Health: 2,771, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 465.65, Regen: 14.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 170%, Regen: 54/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 8 Dex / 57 Int / 8 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 1047% / 121% / 175% / 101% / 36% / 132% / 52%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 554
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (622)

Used skills:

Black Hole / Flame Ward / Enchant Weapon / Elemental Nova / Teleport

[heady echo]

i lied

it nets cuz glove slot was a set

but we dont have to use legends now

so i think its a tad more fire res and more stats for defensives

but we also get area on the gloves

might make bhole easier to hit

im not at my desktop, can you test max area bhole vs no area?

[proven haven]

oh I'm blind, I think it was 150M hit

not 1.5b

[heady echo]

oh lol

still alot

not an uber 1 shot though lol

[proven haven]

weird, that's 3000 ignite stacks

it should do more

maybe dummy is weird

yea that doesn't seem right. The ticks were ~70M after full ramp

pop should be way higher

[heady echo]

i had a annoying time getting ew to pop correctly

like 1 tile too far away and it would fail

basically had to tp on top of dummy to get it to work

[proven haven]

oh wait, it didn't show the pop. that was the last two ignite ticks showing together before the pop, which killed the dummy. then I guess the pop damage doesn't display

with this much ignite damage can probably just clear with fireball

if spread works

[heady echo]

yea, .5 tickrate is the gamba

though you can get bhole down to like 2 seconds in the new patch

maybe even lower

gotta sack about 150% fire res for it

actually with weaver enchant % increase effectiveness, you can get bhole pretty low

26.5 cdr from this idol setup. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oP698q0l

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (54) / Spellblade (23) / Runemaster (16)

General:

▸ Health: 2,664, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 422.36, Regen: 17.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 170%, Regen: 54/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 8 Dex / 57 Int / 8 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 883% / 126% / 180% / 106% / 41% / 137% / 57%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 533
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (622)

Used skills:

Black Hole / Flame Ward / Enchant Weapon / Elemental Nova / Teleport

[summer sable]

man uberroth is literally cooked next patch with all these ignite builds

[proven haven]

you sure on the math for this?

[proven haven]

for 2s

actually maybe not that far off

oh its 14 base

100% CDR is ~3s

with 60% reduction in tree

but +15% cd

[heady echo]

damn they nerfed the weaver cd enchants hard

i can only hit 120.5 cooldown efficiency

3.818181818 max cdr with still real gear and skillpoints

also tp node global cdr nerfed as well

[heady echo]

look at this skillpoint layout

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgRO02M9

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (54) / Spellblade (23) / Runemaster (16)

General:

▸ Health: 2,336, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 422.36, Regen: 17.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 170%, Regen: 54/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 8 Dex / 57 Int / 8 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 845% / 126% / 180% / 106% / 41% / 137% / 57%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 467
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (622)

Used skills:

Black Hole / Flame Ward / Enchant Weapon / Elemental Nova / Teleport

[karmic folio]

why dont you take the node that summons a 2nd black hole since you got seeking anyway, that would double your damage

[heady echo]

not enough points in the planner

its missing 3 skill points from set and chest

[karmic folio]

oh you got singularity

doesnt work with that i think

nvm

[heady echo]

it does if you take cascade fracture

[karmic folio]

yeah with a 10% chance per point when it expires

[heady echo]

nope, the second one that gets created, dies instantly due to singularity

causing cascade fracture to proc

[karmic folio]

ohh ok

so still a 30% chance then

[heady echo]

i tested offline with 50 skillpoints and took everything

it got pretty dumb with wildfire

[karmic folio]

yeah i wanna make a build with wildfire and the node that summons meteors from every black hole

[heady echo]

hard to get the skillpoints + wildfire in online, but as + skill creep goes up we get more power out of bhole

[karmic folio]

too bad there arent any uniques for black hole

[heady echo]

it doesnt need em tbh

[karmic folio]

but it would be cool

meteor atleast has the set and that one belt

[cosmic dove]

not a guaranteed proc right? (like it isnt bugged or something)

[karmic folio]

and why is there no skin for Black Hole in the shop 😂

[heady echo]

no clue, i kept getting 2

[cosmic dove]

every time?

[heady echo]

yup

[cosmic dove]

10 yards apart?

or on top of each other?

[heady echo]

one was like 30 yards away

it might be a bugged interaction, ill test it again in 1.4

[cosmic dove]

"might" 😂

[karmic folio]

wildfire amulet still works fine with singularity?

[heady echo]

yup

singularity is "per cast"

wildfire is casting its own copy

[karmic folio]

ok good

[elfin rapids]

Does the +1 cold melee damage from Shatter Strike Dexterity scaling get converted to lightning?

[summer sable]

That's a great question, I'm also interested.

[hollow bolt]

It should. Even bloody nib gets converted

[calm plinth]

brooo
https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ehp?p=100_2511_3513_2860_75_0_39_968_0_60_1091_0_0
7M Fire Aura DPS 16k EHP

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVap0Mel

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (88)

General:

▸ Health: 2,511, Regen: 36.6/s
▸ Mana: 313.58, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 382%, Regen: 248/s
▸ Attributes: 63 Str / 58 Dex / 179 Int / 33 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 403% / 80% / 84% / 83% / 94% / 107% / 156%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,091
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (463)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,860)
▸ Block Chance: 39%, Mitigation: 35% (968)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Surge / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Flame Reave

[calm plinth]

This is my build for the Season, done with theory crafting 😄

Also, this is based on 20 stacks of Fire aura

preeeeeetty sure i can go higher, but didnt want to blow the numbers out of proportion xD

[heady echo]

youre missing all the + fire res idols

i can fix up your idols for you if youd like

[calm plinth]

yea yea, i havent finalised the idols 😄

tbf, havent spent much time on checking them

I saw you were posting several times regarding idols

what would you suggest

[heady echo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjqG0m6b

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (88)

General:

▸ Health: 2,585, Regen: 36.6/s
▸ Mana: 379.38, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 388%, Regen: 261/s
▸ Attributes: 63 Str / 58 Dex / 179 Int / 33 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 623% / 80% / 84% / 83% / 94% / 107% / 156%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,106
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (463)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,908)
▸ Block Chance: 39%, Mitigation: 35% (968)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Surge / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Flame Reave

[calm plinth]

NGL, i'm leaning in the Weaver enchant for + Fire Aura Area + Ele DOT as one of the main affixes

[heady echo]

fire res gives you more damage

ele dot kinda trash for fire aura

[calm plinth]

i thought they are together, as in 2 line affix

havent really pay too much attention to the weaver enchants and how they procced

[heady echo]

you get way more damage from the omen idols which is the new season mechanic

trying to get specific enchants on idols is a pita

also fire res for your build is a more multiplier

vs increased for ele dot which isnt as good

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy4vdNb1 forgot an enchant

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (88)

General:

▸ Health: 2,585, Regen: 36.6/s
▸ Mana: 379.38, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 388%, Regen: 261/s
▸ Attributes: 63 Str / 58 Dex / 179 Int / 33 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 623% / 80% / 84% / 83% / 94% / 107% / 156%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,106
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (463)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,908)
▸ Block Chance: 39%, Mitigation: 35% (968)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Surge / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Flame Reave

[calm plinth]

don't know how much of a hustle this idol setup gonna be, but definitely keeping them as main target

Thanks Meka

now i just need to make my loot filter xD

[heady echo]

yeah i was hoping the loot filter rules would be updated by letools but he doesnt have access to early build

i was gunna slap together an omega filter for all the builds i want to run

[minor monolith]

do you really want fire pen on the sword over flat dmg? or is that just accounting for not getting the best since its a rng fiesta on weavers will

[calm plinth]

I tend to get quite distracted by the loot drops, so i will just add anything build enabling for other builds that i would give a go ;d

[calm plinth]

I've taken the minimal values for fire pen that would roll on the sword when doing my calculations, and in fact it is a net positive vs T5 max roll Fire melee damage

highly doubt i will hit t7 Att Speed and T7 Fire melee

[minor monolith]

and thats taking into account the already existing sources of penetration and fire res shred right?

[calm plinth]

i haven't put fire rez shred for the build, didnt know where to squeeze it

as for other sources of pen, i havent taken any

[minor monolith]

well you just get fire res shred for free as a fire aura player from the passive tree

and the sword has pen for dot on it too already

[calm plinth]

kek, i've skipped the fire pen from Fire aura all together on the calculations xD

[left hill]

weren't they always 5%? am I misremembering?

[cosmic dove]

just a thought. were you testing with Scattered and Binary System?
we know Singularity kills one of the two BHs of binary system
Scattered tries to create a binary pair of BHs
so maybe Singularity is killing 3 BHs? one of the first pair and both of the second?
and then Cacade Fracture has 3 proc chances?
3 chance at 30% per isnt 100% but maybe explains what you were seeing

[left hill]

this one has definitely been a meme for a long time

[calm plinth]

still dropping the penetration to be the flat one and changing the roll to t5 fire melee is giving me 6.1M vs 5.6M (just dps from Fire aura itself) the 7M that i stated above includes any other procced dmg and Firebrand as main spammer

Good night boyz n gurlz, papa needs some sleep xD

[ashen glacier]

what makes the lb rm tanky? the lightning aegis?

[harsh abyss]

That and you generate a LOT of ward. If you're doing the RM version, you force the invocation that gives you a ton of ward per second

[vivid wedge]

doubt it honestly?

[harsh abyss]

And you use Twisted Heart and are casting like 10x LB/second

[vivid wedge]

it's one of those artifacts like the + level SS being % cold dmg

[elfin rapids]

1)Being ranged by itself is already an "invisible" layer of tankiness
2)Stacking something like 250 Int gives you 500% Ward Retention
3)Stacking int and casting the Cold Fire Cold Runic Invocation gives you a huge amount of Ward Per Second (that goes well with all that Ward Retention)
4)Killing things fast before getting killed
5)10% damage reduction from Shattered Worlds also helps

[elfin rapids]

It's a shame if it doesn't get converted, with Black Blade of Chaos would be possible to scale flat, increased damage and penetration at the same time with Dex.

[heady echo]

10% if i recall correctly. I could be wrong.

[heady echo]

maybe, idk

event horizon shatter strike might be hilarious

150% more plus 15% more if theyre slows + 72 pen + 150% more from bladeweaving

depends on how whiteout and iceblink work together

[left hill]

oof, if it doesn't my plans for lightning shatter are going to be completely scuffed

[nimble shoal]

It for sure does, if not that's a major bug

[left hill]

was curious, so i rechecked an old v1.2 planner, was 5% then too

[vivid wedge]

like, they updated the scaling to be 4% increased damage per int in anticipation of lightning SS (from 4% cold damage), but they kept the dex scaling at +1 melee cold dmg

makes me think they wanted dex to be how you scaled cold (synergy w/ mourningfrost for +flat dmg)

and int how you scaled lightning

[heady echo]

Ideally dex gets converted as well

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (51) / Spellblade (34) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,278, Regen: 52/s
▸ Mana: 443.45, Regen: 12.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 260%, Regen: 30/s
▸ Attributes: 110 Str / 62 Dex / 105 Int / 43 Att / 117 Vit
▸ Resistances: 147% / 35% / 59% / 14% / 52% / 131% / 155%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 456
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (248)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 53% (3,447)

Used skills:

Black Hole

[heady echo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdzkWj8K

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (51) / Spellblade (34) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,278, Regen: 52/s
▸ Mana: 443.45, Regen: 12.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 260%, Regen: 30/s
▸ Attributes: 110 Str / 62 Dex / 105 Int / 43 Att / 117 Vit
▸ Resistances: 147% / 35% / 59% / 14% / 52% / 131% / 155%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 456
▸ Dodge Chance: 8% (248)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 53% (3,447)

Used skills:

Black Hole

[heady echo]

missing 1 skill point but 43 skill points when they fix the cold tag. 41 if you dont take the +1 skill corruptions

[weary hornet]

Gotta have a point in cascade to get the double meteor for some reason

[heady echo]

did you test as well?

[weary hornet]

It's been that way as long as I have been using black hole. Happens every time I swap out for black hole and spec points in order

Errr

I'm sorry

Not double meteor. Double black hole.

Been a long night

[heady echo]

all g

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5PgOm06

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (51) / Spellblade (34) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,719, Regen: 176.8/s
▸ Mana: 456.77, Regen: 12.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 446%, Regen: 60/s
▸ Attributes: 65 Str / 68 Dex / 198 Int / 49 Att / 123 Vit
▸ Resistances: 384% / 69% / 93% / 66% / 68% / 213% / 177%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 544
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (272)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,579)

Used skills:

Black Hole

[heady echo]

i got another skill point with corruptions

[obsidian quarry]

will the lightning conversion not change that + damage?

[weary hamlet]

presumably not because they intentionally changed the 4% bonus to generic damage but not this

but maybe they just forgot

[vivid wedge]

yeah, it could be an oversight and they meant to make it +1 melee damage, rather than +1 cold melee

but regardless, I don't think speccing into lightning will change the scaling - whatever it is on thursday is what it'll be

int adds freeze multi which is also a little weird, so maybe their idea was that you're always getting something

[mental hamlet]

Same thing with Skill shard giving %cold

[weary hamlet]

they just didn't bother updating that one I guess

shame

[vivid wedge]

long-term (like, 1.5 type long term) I'd expect both of those to change

just probably not by thursday

[weary hamlet]

nah I could see where they just added that for "free" without a lightning equivalent, but flat melee sounds like much more of a big deal, and an easier problem to solve

[vivid wedge]

flat melee is kind of a dex thing, where flat spell is kind of an int thing

like I can kinda see it, but it's really hard to know what's a pattern and what's an oversight

[weary hamlet]

yeah lol with LE you never know

[rotund ocean]

I feel like it was intentional, because otherwise, lightning SS would be the superior version due to the free 50% reduced lightning res from shock

[weary hamlet]

looks like their QC is getting marginally better presumably as they hire more people, but it's still pretty abysmal

[weary hamlet]

and cold has free 40% more damage and armor from throne

it's laughable that this is the crutch they use to balance lightning with cold and fire but it is what it is

[vivid wedge]

it's surprisingly well balanced right now, but honestly balanced more by the fact that there's just so many more nodes in SS that you aren't losing much by missing the lightning one

because getting enough points to hit them all is hard

[weary hamlet]

eh I guess that's true, now if only the same could be said about some of the shittier trees full of noob traps like lightning blast

how exactly is spark charges/convergence balanced against focal blast or something

right

or god forbid channeled LB

[rough minnow]

Hey guys

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzWX1MX am I cooking something here

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Spellblade (80) / Runemaster (13)

General:

▸ Health: 3,642, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 144.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 264%, Regen: 159/s
▸ Attributes: 6 Str / 10 Dex / 107 Int / 6 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 250% / 72% / 96% / 92% / 92% / 70% / 70%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 728
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (50)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 61% (4,592)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Enchant Weapon / Flame Reave / Flame Ward / Surge

[weary hamlet]

there was a total of one guy who tried to force it and he conceded defeat before killing normal aby

[rough minnow]

not decided on my starter still

[ionic bear]

hi mekanation! what are the passive and skill trees for this build? the website is bugging it haha

[torn sluice]

having the same problem, would also like to see the spellblade passives. maybe a screen shot if possible?

[glossy quarry]

how tankier is spellblade now?

armor nodes and damage reduction make it amazing

shatter strike will now rely less on gear for defense

[pseudo maple]

Can Lightning Blast chain through indirect casts, if the source for this indirect casting doesn't mention chaining and only says something like "trigger lightning blast: 20%"?

The description for Lightning Blast says chaining only happen with direct casts so I'm going with this, but few players are saying that the node Chain Lightning(Lightning blast can chain additional times, but costs more mana.
Maximum Additional Chains: +1 per point) make it chain with indirect casts, is this true?

[nimble shoal]

There are effects which gain chains based on number of recent direct casts, but chaining is not limited to direct casts

[calm plinth]

what's your thought process for this build? like how do you want it to play ?

Currently there are several issues that i noticed at a glance, after spending 3 days focusing on Lightning/Fire variants for Fire Aura builds. Now i'm not saying I have it all figured out, but i think i got pretty good understanding of the interactions and scalings.

[weary hamlet]

yes, if you have sources of chain that are independent on hard casts

[rough minnow]

Thought process is stack fire auras on hit/activation and crit, ignites being a secondary source of damage. Since fire auras don't have many generic more multipliers I'm getting them from belt and firestarters

Surge, Enchant Weapon and Flame Ward spammed off cooldown, Reave whenever 12 stacks, otherwise just go to town with firebrand

[calm plinth]

Fire resistance is your MORE multiplier for fire aura.
On my sim, Fire aura would be ticking 6.1M DPS (20 stacks of fire aura) and ignite was providing about 30k dps, which is OK, but nothing to write home about.

main concerns of your current setup -> MANA ; clunky game play -> you're trying to optimise different spells that would proc Fire Aura on hit, but they don't necessarily compliment each other. So it wont "feel good". Basically your loop woud be Spam Firebrand, Spam Flame Reave, going back and forth, but you wont be able to as Flame reave mana increase would drain your mana in maybe 5-6 hits

[rough minnow]

eh i can drop a ring if mana is problematic and get more fire res

probably should get more fire res

[calm plinth]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy4vdNb1

This is what i've put together, happy to explain thought process behind everything and how things interact with each other. At first glance looks a bit weird, but actually fully utilising absolutely everything in there, no stats are wasted (even the poison resistance stacking, which wasn't main idea, but complimented everything else quite nicely)

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (88)

General:

▸ Health: 2,585, Regen: 36.6/s
▸ Mana: 379.38, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 388%, Regen: 261/s
▸ Attributes: 63 Str / 58 Dex / 179 Int / 33 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 623% / 80% / 84% / 83% / 94% / 107% / 156%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,106
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (463)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,908)
▸ Block Chance: 39%, Mitigation: 35% (968)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Surge / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Flame Reave

[calm plinth]

btw this is simming 7mil dps as well as 16k EHP

and that was before calculating the idols , so would be more DPS

[rough minnow]

poison chance huh

[calm plinth]

I don't really think that Jormoun set is optimal for Fire Aura - general idea for the set is to scale your Crit Multi, Fire aura doesn't crit, any crit multi would be irelevant to your attacks, as they are there to proc Fire aura, not to provide main damage source

[rough minnow]

for some reason i cant load your passive tree

eh it's just another 20% more multiplier

[calm plinth]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVap0Mel try this one - its without the idols tho

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (88)

General:

▸ Health: 2,511, Regen: 36.6/s
▸ Mana: 313.58, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 382%, Regen: 248/s
▸ Attributes: 63 Str / 58 Dex / 179 Int / 33 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 403% / 80% / 84% / 83% / 94% / 107% / 156%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,091
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (463)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,860)
▸ Block Chance: 39%, Mitigation: 35% (968)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Surge / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Flame Reave

[rough minnow]

yeah the passive tree doesnt work here either

odd

it shows runemaster and sorc

and mage

but not spellblade tree

can you screencap it please

[calm plinth]

in your case, that should read as "20% fire resistance" , which you can scale way more and not having to dedicate 2 slots for it

[rough minnow]

well, not quite, it's multiplicative with other sources of more

not additive

[calm plinth]

hahaha, lol yea same is for me, must be some sort of bug, lemme see

[minor monolith]

When you have one big more (fire resistance) it’s often better to add other small mores than keep stacking the same big more unless the sources are incredibly large amounts of it

[calm plinth]

yea, its the website having some crack situation, it does the same for all the templates that i did

[calm plinth]

ah fairs

[minor monolith]

It’s a very similar dance to the ones done with the timerot builds in 1.2 and 1.3

[rough minnow]

idk if id go the ruby fang set

with weavers

id probably still go weavers

but go axe offhand

or rather axe mainhand, weavers offhand

and then run the belt

[minor monolith]

Like whenever I see someone doing fire fire aura and leaving off the Inferno 3/3 in firebrand… it’s an insane loss to not have that 54% more

[rough minnow]

wait

wait

you can run ruby fang cleaver

and belt

and then you get another +1

boom

and youd actually gain poison pen in your build your lacking

Do that @calm plinth

[minor monolith]

The only reason to not take Inferno would be if you convert fire aura to a different element

[calm plinth]

i have as a minimum 22% DOT pene vs all rez from my weapon

[rough minnow]

Yea but still, running axe and weaver offhand

[calm plinth]

also, ruby fang is there to bring more value for Legends Entwined

[rough minnow]

is funky

Yeah

im saying

dont run shield

run an axe from the set instead

and that gives you room to run the belt

[calm plinth]

are LETools and Maxroll the only places to make the build planers ?

[rough minnow]

not only but the main ones

not a huge fan of the barbute with this little necro res too btw

[minor monolith]

LE tools has been the best one for a long while, maxroll is newer and not quite as good imo (but improves all the time)

Boneclamor is literally put in builds because it says 13 int

[rough minnow]

disgusting

😛

[minor monolith]

Ignore every other line of text

Same for the orions descent belt

[rough minnow]

can run vilatria's if you convert to lightning

for another +1

[minor monolith]

I personally will not convert fire aura even if it was mathematically better, I’m running Fire Aura lol not Brrr Aura or Zappy Aura

Some people say to go Cold convert so that the graphics aren’t as intense… they are missing the point of playing fire aura, if your screen is visible you aren’t stacking enough haha

[rough minnow]

i mean man is stacking sets

might as well

@calm plinth would appreciate you resending the planner with a working passive tree

so I can show you what I'd tweak from it

[calm plinth]

oh yea, lol totally forgot i didn't put the points in this variant xD good catch, thanks

[calm plinth]

gonna check later on again if it's showing properly, trying to get the setup from maxroll in the meantime

[rough minnow]

whichever, i can show you on either one

Tbh

[calm plinth]

If i'm not mistaken, i went for this layout. was quite late when i finished last night, and was checking individual point allocations as well and which ones would be more optimal. was debating on the Blade Conduit, but dont think i will need it

[calm plinth]

indeed, vilatria gives a very good amount of flat base damage, and i have one setup that is still Work in Progress. It was simming higher numbers, but haven't fixed all the small issues i was running into

[calm plinth]

i do have the 3 points for it, just havent been allocated xD

[obsidian quarry]

Cold covert will suck because firebrand doesn’t boost it

[calm plinth]

on cold you have other scaling factors, not sure it will suck, but defo you wont be able to get the extra rez per stack of fire brand as More DMG multi, and the flat spell damage cuz it's specific element

[tribal veldt]

the main argument for cold aura is frostbite shackles

[calm plinth]

yea

[tribal veldt]

which is good particularly if you want to use madness for extra AoE

[obsidian quarry]

Everyone seems to think fire aura will be epic, but it ends up as more of a firebrand build when I’ve done it before, which is annoying with the stacks

[tribal veldt]

but it's not a very strong argument

[tribal veldt]

oh let people be excited 😆 we all know it's gonna be mediocre

[obsidian quarry]

My problem is I’ve tried fire aura builds twice before lol. Trying to talk myself out of it - I’ve had quite a re spellblades in the past.

Although I’ll prolly end up baited by spellblade again

[frigid crescent]

ive never played spellblade before and between this and bladestorm i feel more confident in this

so cold dot fire aura it is

[calm plinth]

hey man if u like it, go for it, all we know is it's gonna be less of a meme now. maybe it will still be underwhelming

[tribal veldt]

as a diehard fire aura defender I cannot possibly imagine how you're more confident in this than in bladestorm

but all power to you!

[calm plinth]

I haven't played much mage so thats why i decided to go for it this season, i did dabble in with Flame Reave last season tho and i liked the overall feeling of Spellblade

[frigid crescent]

yeah the last time i played mage was runemaster launch

i just feel like playing it again tbh

and the numbers look pretty nice plus should be a nice comfy levelling experience

[minor monolith]

They have made quite a few leaps in QoL for firebrand in the patch

[errant moon]

hey, any tips i could improve on this build ?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BgRON9Dd

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Season / Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (78) / Runemaster (10)

General:

▸ Health: 2,872, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 409.04, Regen: 12.8/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 40 Dex / 135 Int / 30 Att / 35 Vit
▸ Resistances: 80% / 94% / 144% / 93% / 71% / 88% / 112%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 1,021
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (447)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (3,242)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 99%

Used skills:

Mana Strike / Frost Claw / Lightning Blast / Elemental Nova / Enchant Weapon

[heady echo]

Don’t use that one. Let me see if I can get the one lud and I were tinkering with to save, scissor in builds were breaking le tools

[short nest]

Whats the best mage build for the new season?

Im returning to the game next season and want a good starter that will scale to late game

[errant moon]

LB from Frozen is pretty nice

[heady echo]

Melee or ranged?

[ionic bear]

Ty

[heady echo]

Frozen aura cold res stack should be cozy(lizard max roll)
Lb is nerfed but not really with new corruptions, but it’s just lb runemaster again which didn’t really change much.
Shatterstrike and flame reave got a ton of love.
Melee spark charge lighting ss with enigma should be strong,
Frozen ss cleaver stack is strong
Flamereave jaspers is also strong

[short nest]

Id prefer ranged

[heady echo]

Lb runemaster then

[short nest]

Thanks ill look into it

[heady echo]

Or glacier sorc and just vibe with it til you want to change it up

Flamereave is sudo ranged compared to ss as well

[errant moon]

Mana strike is ranged too with the node so that is a solid option too

[heady echo]

I’ll drop you league starter and final optimal when le isn’t bugged. It’s bork right now.

[short nest]

Mana strike is blade dancer right?

[errant moon]

spellblade

well to be fair its not spellblade as its a base skill but i guess you would want to go with the spell triggering route with mana strike

[weary hamlet]

ole good classic linear optimization problem

[minor monolith]

Teaching some of those in calculus next week!

[left hill]

💀 one of the corruptions for staves is "Added Mana Cost" up to +8 at T7. stahp

it comes with Increased Spell Area, but imo not enough to warrant added mana cost as a drawback (and even with sorc mastery, c'mon)

[tribal veldt]

if you're using that affix it's probably because increasing mana cost is an upside for you

not a lot of sources of that in the game

[left hill]

I get that would be the theoretical use case for it. I'm just saying that use case feels mostly not even just theoretical but imaginary

if sorc mastery weren't capped maybe

[rough minnow]

@calm plinth any luck on the planner

[calm plinth]

no, still bugging out on LETools side, i did put a screenshot earlier from what i think were the final allocations on spellblade nodes

[rough minnow]

its fine ill recreate it

sec

[weary hornet]

@heady echo I applaud your dedication to this season. Take a look at my weird build idea?

[calm plinth]

btw, looked into your suggestion about DW, with Jormun's, but can't really make it work (not full set to make up for Legends Entwined bonuses) Need to see if a crafted belt instead of Orian's would be better to finish it that way

also, it's messing up my cold rez, which i need to figure out another way as well

[heady echo]

Tag me in the build again? I just woke up so may have missed it

[calm plinth]

possibly crafted belt would fix that tho

[heady echo]

Do the crafted belt. More is a more

You can also cleaver solution + jormunns crafted to strength stack for more tankyness

[weary hamlet]

been over a decade since I last used those in uni

[calm plinth]

yea, but will need to reconfigure several other things if going for STR version - also, losing on the bonus from the weaver's amulet (set side) as there wont be a weaver weapon

[weary hornet]

Yah, lotta chatter lately. Couldn't find it lol https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGzygepm

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (15) / Spellblade (51) / Runemaster (27)

General:

▸ Health: 1,512, Regen: 32.64/s
▸ Mana: 217.18, Regen: 12.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 336%, Regen: 219/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 24 Dex / 103 Int / 13 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 102% / 135% / 102% / 75% / 75% / 95% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 488
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (131)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,796)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 4%

Used skills:

Mana Strike / Ice Barrage / Frost Claw / Volcanic Orb / Static Orb

[calm plinth]

and i highly doubt that more tankiness is what this build will need xD on Tunklab it's simming 16k EHP

and that's just base, not including the ward/hit generation

[heady echo]

Your red rings miss the stats for 10% dr by 7. Ez fix.

[vivid wedge]

Imo there's a few stages too, midgame is legends entwined and is pretty cozy and then the one you're thinking of requires some specific stuff all at once to get going

[weary hornet]

Yah, it's at average. Between avg and max, I'm over.

[heady echo]

Ah right

[vivid wedge]

I have nearly everything saved somewhere but planner messing up doesn't help

[heady echo]

I have the starter 100% saved, I’ll have to remake the finisher with frenzy belt. It keeps nuking my items and affixes

[vivid wedge]

Let me DM you

[weary hornet]

My thought is this build if static orb is viable as ranged for mapping. Otherwise, will likely use glacier for the teleport / rime.

[calm plinth]

@vivid wedge seems like a lot of your damage should be coming from spells as opposed to attacks, have you considered Mad Alchemist as main weapon?

[weary hornet]

When it's ubertime, it goes back to snap freeze

[heady echo]

You could try a triboelectra mh while mapping

Just for the auto cast in evade

[harsh abyss]

Static Orb is great for mapping and bosses

[heady echo]

Not sure what it does numbers wise since it’s cold convert and tribo is electric

Eh probably just keep frozen mh

[ionic bear]

lol

[calm plinth]

also, i might be missing something, but why are u not converting Volcanic to cold as well?

[ionic bear]

i discovered the planner bug 🤣

[heady echo]

It’s converted in tree

[ionic bear]

remove the weapons and solve

[heady echo]

Yeah it’s specifically scissor last night

[ionic bear]

ICANT

[calm plinth]

aaah, yea didn't see the base node in mage

[calm plinth]

might be weaver's gift as well, as i do have it as main weapon in my build and it's bricking the planner

[heady echo]

Might be all weavers weapons trying to calc the amulet and going circular til page crash

[weary hornet]

Eh good call. Forgot about that thing

[calm plinth]

yea, removing the weapon fixed the skill tree. good catch 😄 @ionic bear and @heady echo

[plain garnet]

It feels like you're missing a lot of damage from VO nodes? Infernal Caster, Monolithic Eruption, Glyph of Fire are all really strong damage nodes that you're passing over to pick up a bunch of ignite chance and shrapnel damage.

[calm plinth]

@rough minnow when you open the planner, just remove the weapon and it will show you the passives

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy4vdNb1

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (88)

General:

▸ Health: 2,585, Regen: 36.6/s
▸ Mana: 379.38, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 388%, Regen: 261/s
▸ Attributes: 63 Str / 58 Dex / 179 Int / 33 Att / 39 Vit
▸ Resistances: 623% / 80% / 84% / 83% / 94% / 107% / 156%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,106
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (463)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 47% (2,908)
▸ Block Chance: 39%, Mitigation: 35% (968)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Surge / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Flame Reave

[weary hornet]

Negative. More dps and mana economy without those extra nodes. It's strictly for the application of frostbite.

[plain garnet]

I am also unsure why you're specced so heavily into attack speed; that doesn't synergize very well with VO, which seems to be your main source of frostbite

[weary hornet]

At least with 1.3.

I could probably tone the attack speed back, but the quick application of mana strike is nice considering VOs thirst.

[ashen glacier]

so that special set bonus ring + totem ring is really better than double red rings? for RM LB high corruption?

also was the nerfs to LB build really a problem? or still s tier

[harsh abyss]

Based on Frozen's video? Nah it'll be fine.

Legends Entwined isn't just important for the Ferebor ring, it's mainly important so you can use Ladle instead of the Vilatria staff

[vivid wedge]

Yeah moved towards SS over time for that reason

SS + mana generator and running teleport over VO

[vivid wedge]

So two things here: one it's in the tree, two the ring makes sure it's cold

[weary hornet]

If you don't plan on being hit, which is the best way to play high corruption, absolutely

[heady echo]

had an actual shower thought thinking about your build. Frozen ire mh with a t7 -spell cost slammed

it dips melee and spell pretty hard

[weary hornet]

I have one slammed now. Forget why it was I didn't use it ... Oh yah, I think it lacks the pen? I'll double check

Hope servers still up

[heady echo]

you have 1 hour

[weary hornet]

Also, to take advantage of those extra nodes in VO, there is a hit to duration and or cast speed, which is an overall detriment to DPS.

But is admittedly nice against the harbs on uber since it's upfront

[calm plinth]

just trying to simulate some gear for this idea. I've covered the base overlap of the gear with what i had before (missing a couple of affixes here and there, but anything to do with direct multipliers is covered, i think) I havent put the idols in yet, comparing my template before you told me which idols to put. Fire rez was sitting at 403% before and 623% after idols

1. Losing on the Ruby set all together, because of Jormun's
2. Seems like i have less stats overall (talking purely for Int/Str and Fire rez for scaling)
3. The 20%more from Jormun, would that be calculated as e.g. 400% Fire rez (as more multy for FA) x 0.2 and it would be the 480% total multi in this scenario?
4. I considered Decayed Scull as alternative for Barbute, would it be better?
5. What else am I missing?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnapNV7K

[heady echo]

probably, shield slot is really good for fire rez

jormuns might not be worth, but you are attacking with other skills that have more multis

[rough minnow]

may be greedy but I considered ruby set over cleaver.

and viltaria helmet over barbute

[heady echo]

jormuns amps everything, fire res only amps fire aura

[vivid wedge]

Shattered worlds longer term?

[calm plinth]

i mean, yea that's true, but %-age wise Fire aura would be at least 75-80% of my overal damage

[heady echo]

so part of the issue with your build is youre doing a lot of things at once

so nothing is omega strong

its kinda like ss glacier mana stacking. Does too much and has too much gear req to be actually functional in the short term

[calm plinth]

vilatria doesn't do anything for me as Fire, the extra stats from the Legends entwined wouldn't be as high to compensate for it, i think

yea, was thinking about it, just wanted to see where the STR stacking could be leading; will check Ruby instead of cleaver and scale up INT normally

[rough minnow]

you dont really scale around it, you may as well use kuzons set bonus too

[heady echo]

i dont think you str stack fire aura, i think you go hard into fire res with like a rahyah and block

bear set with legends helm and glove is 85 stats

can get you a skill breakpoint from neck

[minor monolith]

For mores just multiply all of them together, 400% fire res -> 5 mult, Jormuns -> 1.2 mult, inferno -> 1.54 mult etc

Basically each more is a multiplier of 1+(% as a decimal)

[rough minnow]

might be greedy but https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0VXn1ld roughly had this in mind

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (88)

General:

▸ Health: 2,848, Regen: 37.8/s
▸ Mana: 393.54, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 356%, Regen: 214/s
▸ Attributes: 69 Str / 54 Dex / 163 Int / 39 Att / 45 Vit
▸ Resistances: 580% / 83% / 91% / 90% / 101% / 70% / 134%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,151
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (443)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,314)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Surge / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Flame Reave

[heady echo]

yall need to slot stack duration and everflames if youre running firebrand

otherwise your free res will be dropping off nonstop

[cosmic dove]

sorry, too many variations. this is what I am understanding.
Binary System + Scattered => 2 pairs of orbiting BHs
Binary System + Singularity => 1 BH w/ 100% more bonus
Binary System + Singularity + Scattered => only 1 BH
Binary System + Singularity + Scattered + Cascade => 2 BHs always, despite Cascde proc chance

do I have that right?

[heady echo]

yup

[rough minnow]

this is something that can be done here

[heady echo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGzy1exY

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (88)

General:

▸ Health: 2,848, Regen: 37.8/s
▸ Mana: 393.54, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 356%, Regen: 214/s
▸ Attributes: 69 Str / 54 Dex / 163 Int / 39 Att / 45 Vit
▸ Resistances: 580% / 83% / 91% / 90% / 101% / 70% / 134%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,151
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (443)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,314)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Surge / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Flame Reave

[heady echo]

yeah i like this version you did theorycrafter

fixed the skill points up

[cosmic dove]

🍝 code, all around 😂

[rough minnow]

i friggin love that ring

[heady echo]

with new weaver amulet its kinda op

so much early power

[calm plinth]

the only time that i wouldnt be spamming Firebrand is when i'm using Surge, or not in range to attack for more than 4 sec, Flame reave will be more of a utility system as opposed to something i use to proc FA constantly, also I'm not planning to use any firebrand stacks consumed by X schenanigans.
So the extra fire rez would just be more multi vs rares/bosses if anything.

The only problem i see would be Ubberoth during phases and losing the stacks then, no?

[minor monolith]

I’m not sure that the stack refresh point in firebrand is necessary if you are using it as your main attack

[heady echo]

moving pack to pack will feel bad if you drop 9 stacks

i wouldnt run firebrand without those nodes, having used it in the past

[rough minnow]

can go ward gain all the same

if you dont need it

[heady echo]

also your aura can kill shit before you get to it

[weary hornet]

I don't use binary. Always seemed broken and too much of an investment since I like collapse.

[calm plinth]

valid

[minor monolith]

In the past you couldn’t improve attack speed with firebrand, it won’t feel as bad to drop stacks since you get them back faster

[heady echo]

its an opinion, not a rule. Imo i like cozy, other people like more active

[weary hornet]

Scattered need at least one point of cascade to work tho

[heady echo]

like I cant play flay lich cuz you have to be tweaked out to maintain lich form, cant stop for a drink of water etc

[rough minnow]

can get 9 ward/stack

and ward on hit

seems nice

i think its probably worth running weavers over ruby tho

[heady echo]

its only 1 skillpoint

weavers gives a lot more

[mild bluff]

No flame ward?

[heady echo]

dont get hit 😄

[plain garnet]

As a melee build?

[mild bluff]

Surely it's more worth than Volcanic orb

Like a bit less damage on bossing for the best defensive in the game

[ashen glacier]

so LB losing like ~30% dmg this patch? I saw a video frozen sentinel , the uber abberoth kill looked slower than other classes. why they nerf?

[plain garnet]

No, for the build he's doing VO is the majority of his damage

[weary hornet]

Doesn't help enough for the build (at least 1.3). Will revisit next season when I hit Uber.

[cosmic dove]

@heady echo would the spell fire damage on this pass through BH and apply to Pulsar/Collapse? it would be one more completed set. would this be worth it or not enough spell fire damage?

[mild bluff]

The what's ice barrage for?

[calm plinth]

technically not a melee build, as Mana strike is ranged in his example, and everything is proccing spells

[ashen glacier]

So its a fully ranged build?

[calm plinth]

i'd say it would play more like mid-ranged as opposed to pure caster, but it's definitely not a melee-range build

[heady echo]

should i think

[rough minnow]

@calm plinth https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BakyRPRy there (also how strange weaver's sword bricks the passive tree)

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (88)

General:

▸ Health: 2,822, Regen: 37.2/s
▸ Mana: 386.46, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 350%, Regen: 211/s
▸ Attributes: 66 Str / 51 Dex / 160 Int / 36 Att / 42 Vit
▸ Resistances: 576% / 79% / 87% / 86% / 97% / 63% / 127%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,124
▸ Dodge Chance: 13% (428)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (2,256)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Firebrand / Surge / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Flame Reave

[plain garnet]

Ah, I forgot he set mana strike as ranged. Doesn't that absolutely tank your mana recovery for this build, though?

[weary hornet]

Only reason mana strike is ranged in this instance is to proc static orb. I hope it works a little for mapping, but for bossing it will be too much of a hit on mana economy losing 80%

[mild bluff]

I just don't see the point of running both IB and VO, surely you cut one for FW

Also IB underrated AF btw, great skill

[plain garnet]

You run both because Ice Shield on IB gives 60% more global cold damage.

[calm plinth]

back to the simming we go xD

[heady echo]

if he cuts anything for flame ward it will be static orb, but its a fun idea build to stack max frostbite as much as possible

[weary hornet]

It works. Trying to kill Uber in under a minute now with my 1.3 glass build

[rough minnow]

Just curious

[weary hornet]

And frozen ire wasn't bad, but not enough

[rough minnow]

Lightning convert Firebrand does not make Inferno work off shock or something right

[weary hornet]

@heady echo baalzevuv77 on twitch if you wanna see some stackage

[rough minnow]

you could prolly drop Flame reave for Static if you convert.

but losing inferno seems ugh

[weary hornet]

Almost hit 15k stacks last night

[heady echo]

holy wtf

[plain garnet]

Some percentage of those are procced by frost claw, though, and do basically 0 damage

[rough minnow]

Context please?

[heady echo]

if only ew popped frostbite stacks

[plain garnet]

I tried a frostclaw frostbite build last patch and got to like 5000 stacks with it but the damage is just nothing because FC doesn't have the more multis for it

[vivid wedge]

Stupid idea: use SS to turn ignite into frostbite

[heady echo]

with carrion that turns it into bleed 😄

[weary hornet]

15k stacks of frostbite on uber

[rough minnow]

oh neat

[heady echo]

needs more tank

those beams are dumb

[weary hornet]

Yah this is a personal challenge

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6BO2hc9Pyh0

That's the regular build actually beating uber. Just trying to not get hit for a minute here

[shadow relic]

Alright, break it to me. How viable/how far are mana guide builds able to go? And by that I mean, basically purely using mana guide to slide around through maps with focus on?

[heady echo]

uber

[shadow relic]

Ooh awesome, ty!

[weary hornet]

Very viable. My mana guided sorcerer can beat Uber. I use the meteor belt and arcane ascendence. Frozen sentinel has done some interesting things with the focus pulse only in conjunction with those void gloves, sacrificial embrace I think. His pulse was hitting for 6 mil

His his Auto bombing lightning blaster with a fragment is even more effective

[ornate coral]

Hey, i am trying to make a build for a meteor mage, i am wondering if i use vilatria set which turn meteor to lightning, does it convert all the meteor firebased passive node into lightning? Also does it gives meteor lightning tag so that all lightning damage increase whether it's flat/% or other sources increase it's damage?

[weary hornet]

Just the staff affix or staff itself adds lightning tag. Set bonus adds a lot of flat lightning damage.

[weary hamlet]

you mean craterborn? fire pen? no

[weary hornet]

Afaik, shrapnel is still fire.

[ornate coral]

That was my point yeh

[weary hamlet]

it also does give it lightning tag but that's not very relevant for scaling damage as it would scale with lightning damage regardless

[ornate coral]

Hmm so vilatria set is kinda meh then?

[sleek reef]

Fire Aura a good starter perhaps?

[weary hamlet]

doesnt seem to require anything in particular items wise to get started, yea

[ornate coral]

Is anyone planning on playing meteor and could help me cook a build?

[cosmic dove]

this is from @harsh abyss when I asked him the same question.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A14R9b85

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (62) / Spellblade (5) / Runemaster (26)

General:

▸ Health: 1,580, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 433.61, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 467%, Regen: 53/s
▸ Attributes: 38 Str / 31 Dex / 204 Int / 25 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 35% / 11% / 59% / 11% / 11% / 42% / 66%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 316
▸ Dodge Chance: 13% (431)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,149)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 99%

Used skills:

Meteor / Teleport / Focus / Snap Freeze / Lightning Blast

[vivid wedge]

The weird part is how much scaling you get from lightning given it's not converted

But yeah

Looks like a great planner

[cosmic dove]

Yeah with 200 int that's +100 lightning spell damage from the set bonus
x effectiveness

[little pagoda]

x 1200% lmao

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, the thing about Ladle is that it gives you so much cast speed and More damage, that it makes it worth it to not convert.

[little pagoda]

is it worth sticking a random set on the offhand?

[calm plinth]

for legends entwined ? possibly, but gotta check whats the opportunity cost

[little pagoda]

I couldnt see what else to throw there tbh, as a sealed affix its a free +1, 5 all, 5 res

[calm plinth]

again, if u are using LE, then probably yes, but if not, might be better to just try sealing something else

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, a reforged set is probably worth it

[little pagoda]

the attribute slam on the chest wojld go hard as well

[harsh abyss]

There aren't really a lot of "generically good" catalysts

Yeah I didn't add any corrupted outcomes to my planner (except madness) because I'm not confident it will be feasible to get outcomes that you want

And with the nerfs to imprinting... we'll see how easy it is to farm copies of the uniques you want too

[cosmic dove]

CoF for the win (?)

[harsh abyss]

CoF for life

[little pagoda]

ill going mg because of the nerfs xD

[harsh abyss]

But the way imprinting uniques worked last season was that they'd imitate the specific stats you used for the imprint, so a high roll Unstable Core would result in more high roll versions dropping

[little pagoda]

aah

it may still work the same way

[harsh abyss]

We don't really know the details on how it'll work now, but yeah I'm just playing it safe with planning

[little pagoda]

I think its just half the chance and less double t7's

[plain garnet]

I don't think they changed that aspect of it

It just means you can't use it to print red rings

[little pagoda]

I think the new standard of having two double t7's is now having 1 t7 and a corrupt

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, very likely

[little pagoda]

with lp's 3 being super rare

[plain garnet]

3LP low level-ish items will still be possible, you're just not going to see as many 2LP level 80 items

[little pagoda]

yeah 3 lp spoon is gonna be easy still

[cosmic dove]

this makes set items (with the ring) slightly more wanted right?
easier to find set items and yolo corruption on them?

[little pagoda]

yep

a lot of set items are random drops like the new amulet

[vivid wedge]

The corrupt is quite hard on most items though, 1/60 chance on most non set items

[little pagoda]

shouldnt be too hard to find the enough set amu to get a corrupt you want

[vivid wedge]

And that's only one outcome

Can change subtype and a bunch of other stuff too

[little pagoda]

theres multiple good slams though

for the weaver amu i'd want madness (too sell), crit multi or all skill

[vivid wedge]

Brutality or madness should both be popular

[harsh abyss]

Yeah both of those are good

[vivid wedge]

Stat stacking plays well with cleaver

[harsh abyss]

I hope guile gets some buff

[vivid wedge]

It's kind of terrible?

Like okay cdr and..?

[little pagoda]

what ones that the haste on?

[harsh abyss]

Someone is gonna make a stat stacking primalist with cleaver that gets a crazy number of stats

[elfin rapids]

Build idea: using Flame Reave to trigger Frost Claw (converted to fire) with a Jasper's staff so i would apply the flat spell on FR and the flat melee on FC, hit Firebrand every 10 seconds or so to renew the stacks (remembering the stacks will double dip on both FR and FC).

[vivid wedge]

I think I can push 500 on spellblade with enough sets

[little pagoda]

I mean you can stack like 500 on a LB this patch

[vivid wedge]

Fair yeah

T7555 makes it a bit harder

[little pagoda]

but corrupts like the chest one

[vivid wedge]

Primalist would be way more fun

[little pagoda]

which adds like 16 all stats on one corrupt is nuts

[vivid wedge]

But only if everything else is corrupted which is great

[little pagoda]

I mean eventually everything will be corrupted

think you need 7

[harsh abyss]

Primalist is bette for the stat stacking because their tree is full of strength and attunement. Mage has some lameness where you want to take some int-nodes that do nothing except their threshold bonus because you're overwriting your int numbers with cleaver strength

[vivid wedge]

Yeah but I'm not corrupting a 2 lp slam if 2 lp is hard

[little pagoda]

depends on the item

[last vale]

the video guides are saying that lightning blast got nerfed in this patch, but I don't see anything about lb in the notes. Anyone know what they are referring to?

[little pagoda]

Lb has a lot of sets

[little pagoda]

the offhand got slapped

[vivid wedge]

Siphon absolutely corrupt, a lot of other stuff is 100-200 before you find one

[weary hamlet]

you could do that but I'm pretty sure that you'd get much better results from spamming either spell on its own

[harsh abyss]

Indirect nerf because Fragment of the Enigma (spark charges) got heavily nerfed

[weary hamlet]

in addition to the above, they fixed the bug where convergence wasn't halving bounces from various secondary sources

[last vale]

ah, lightning damage got cut in half. I assume it will still be a good starter though

[little pagoda]

but overall as base LB loses 38% dmg but with changes this patch and new things it gets the dmg back in other ways

[vivid wedge]

So you have nerfed # charges and nerfed damage per charge if not melee

[harsh abyss]

Yeah it'll still be very good

[little pagoda]

like new idols. corrupts, more skill points with new weaver amulet etc..

just the extra points alone bring you back to only losing 18% dmg

[vivid wedge]

Literally never thinking about crit..

[little pagoda]

that too

im gonna enjoy this amu because its gonna get nerfed af next patch

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, they'll probably bump it to +1/150 stats

or something

[last vale]

what is the name of the weaver amulet?

[little pagoda]

120 is a good place

[elfin rapids]

I'm not so sure, too much double dip in this case, plus the new mastery for Spellblade is tailored for these cases.

[harsh abyss]

Abandoned Eyes of the Weaver

[little pagoda]

or even 100

[vivid wedge]

The corruptions are super easy and a lot of good outcomes

For that amulet

[little pagoda]

yeah crit multi/ skills/ madness/ brutality will be the ones to hit

[vivid wedge]

Unlike a lot of older set things where there's so many useless stats you want to reforge

[little pagoda]

its pretty solid as an item tbh

[harsh abyss]

yeah, it won't be worth making a reforged version of, but it's good

[heady echo]

you only need about 5 points for a threshold bonus with mage, if using weaver ammy you crit cap without some of the bs nodes and can take the vit/dex nodes in spellblade for extra stats. + vit idols

[harsh abyss]

Yeah but there are other int nodes that are good. The ward/sec/int and flat crit node is great in spellblade

[heady echo]

what im saying is with weavers you dont need the flat crit

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, you can work around it for sure

But with primalist you don't have to

[heady echo]

oh for sure

[harsh abyss]

And you can also offhand the cleaver, which means you have a lot more options for your other weapon

[heady echo]

cleaver solution forgeguard probably nutty as well. Go animated armor with trex relic

so much phys pen for free

[harsh abyss]

yeah for sure

[weary hornet]

No, best set in 1.3

[calm plinth]

Guys how do Shred Fire Resistance and Shred armor interact to increase the damage? Would that be acting as sources of More or increased damage? Also, would Shred Armor benefit only damage coming from Hit-Based, but not DOT?

[ashen glacier]

So what build you all going first in 1.4?

[cosmic dove]

btw @harsh abyss based on the set thing, I added this to the Pulsar build

[heady echo]

are you doing stat stack pulsar?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah I was looking at those

[cosmic dove]

no, doing invokers because of the cold tag fix

[heady echo]

cold tag wont be in day one i believe

[cosmic dove]

meh

[heady echo]

will be future patch

[cosmic dove]

I know, I can wait

[heady echo]

stat stack gets you 1 more skill point and 1 ring slot back

[left hill]

all negative resist (shred fire, penetration) adds together and is then a multiplier to damage
shred armor only applies to hit but yes, negative armor mitigation % is a multiplier to hit damage

[cosmic dove]

I have to use Spine (I think) for BH
and ICRS on boots/belt
so I struggled to increase stats to the levels that the ammy wants
but Newt is noob so ... maybe?

[harsh abyss]

you also still stack stats for Vilatria

[vivid wedge]

Ferebor ring, vilatria helm

Spider ammy

Oh sorry stats not sets

[ornate coral]

Are there some synergy between black hole/meteor?

[weary hamlet]

animated armor is gonna be wild with giga corrupted items

[harsh abyss]

Invoker set is +5 skills with Legends Entwined

Unless you're getting up to 360 stats with the weaver amulet, it wins out

[heady echo]

ammy stat stack is 5 skills on the ammy, +1 entwined, + ferebor entwined

[vivid wedge]

Depends what other gear you have

[heady echo]

im getting 600 stats with stat stack

[calm plinth]

so Shred and Pene are in the same bucket when it comes to multiplier of damage, just different ways to go about it, yea?

[heady echo]

no 77s

[harsh abyss]

No, shred is penetration

They stack additively

[cosmic dove]

I'm scared to link it because it is probably very very bad
but here's where I was at with Pulsar (work in progress)
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oXzWL0KN

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (72) / Spellblade (8) / Runemaster (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,473, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 395.25, Regen: 12.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 270%, Regen: 23/s
▸ Attributes: 36 Str / 23 Dex / 110 Int / 23 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 11% / 35% / 11% / 11% / 34% / 34%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 41%, Threshold: 295
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (92)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (917)

Used skills:

Black Hole / Meteor

[heady echo]

my malatros stack is at 44 points on bhole after cold fix, let me see where i can hit with cleaver

[calm plinth]

thanks guys ❤️

[vivid wedge]

Shred should have a max and penetration.. don't think does?

[calm plinth]

yea usually shred is up to a cap, pene if u can find ways could probably have total of 60-70%+

[harsh abyss]

It doesn't, but Shred stacks additively with penetration because it lowers resistances

So if you shred to -20% fire resist, and then you penetrate 40% fire resist, it acts as if it was at -60% fire resist

[calm plinth]

Chef's kiss 😄

[harsh abyss]

But some builds get crazy amounts of penetration, so if you're already penetrating 300% fire resist, adding another 20% from shred isn't super valuable

[minor monolith]

another common misunderstanding is the fact that enemies (for the most part) have 0 resistance and 0 armor, so shred res and penetration are a lot different than most other games where enemies can have quite high resistances

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, for sure. And your resistances work very differently compared to other games too

[vivid wedge]

So is shred valuable on a thing with 0 res?

[heady echo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbWxqDJ 38 point stat stack

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (51) / Spellblade (34) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,913, Regen: 297.36/s
▸ Mana: 461.21, Regen: 12.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 356%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 153 Str / 46 Dex / 153 Int / 51 Att / 125 Vit
▸ Resistances: 401% / 66% / 90% / 63% / 65% / 152% / 176%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 931
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (184)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,530)

Used skills:

Black Hole

[heady echo]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbWxqDJ

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (51) / Spellblade (34) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,913, Regen: 297.36/s
▸ Mana: 461.21, Regen: 12.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 356%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 153 Str / 46 Dex / 153 Int / 51 Att / 125 Vit
▸ Resistances: 401% / 66% / 90% / 63% / 65% / 152% / 176%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 57%, Threshold: 931
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (184)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 66% (5,530)

Used skills:

Black Hole

[heady echo]

get to use mh and oh

[minor monolith]

yes, it does what it says it does. shred/pen for 50% makes you deal 50% more damage

[vivid wedge]

Excellent

[minor monolith]

in other games that shred for 50% could be worth way more however since an enemy going from taking 15% of elemental damage to 65% is a more than 4x damage boost

[vivid wedge]

Also yeah that's 600 stat pts wow

They're gonna nerf that thing pretty fast

[harsh abyss]

Nah, the opportunity cost for stacking that many stats is pretty significant

[cosmic dove]

I do kinda like there are options/tradeoffs

instead of "you have to do it route A"

[shadow relic]

Awesome, glad to hear. I was considering doing mana guide, with LB and meteor proccing, and maybe now some lightning flame aura generation thrown in, due to the buffs. +1 spell damage per int, then another +1 per 2 int from vilataria, and a 140% spell damage efficiency sounded like it could be neat.

[heady echo]

i mean skill points, capped crit and 3k hp barely trying

the weaver ammy + legends is a broken combo early on

[weary hamlet]

or the mob could have 15% fire res and your 50% penetration is giving you 7,5% damage

[heady echo]

then abusing the new idol layouts for vit stacking is nutty as well. I can get 50 additional stats off idols if i swap to reliquary nest

so void knight vit stacking with reliquary nest. sheesh. 90 vit purely off idols

[harsh abyss]

You're giving up a lot of opportunity cost from your idols though

[heady echo]

well yeah, this is skillpoint farming, going malatros gives up a more multi for ignite bhole

everything has tradeoffs i just wanted to see how far i could push stat stacking doing 1 t7 slams

easiest skillpoints when they fix the cold tag is gunna be the invokers set

and youll get more fire rez out of it

[weary hamlet]

hmm didn't abyssal echoes get giga buffed in this patch too? and it has vit scaling?

[heady echo]

theres a ton of vit scaling in void knight