🧙┃mage

[proven haven]

spending time with filter and bazaar is killing the fun for me

same with rolling prophecies tbh

[autumn sundial]

I can help with filters but Idk how to help in bazaar lol

[proven haven]

I know "how" to make filters, the problem is that they need to be updated for the meta

[autumn sundial]

what If you don't update

[proven haven]

then your filter is ineffective

[nimble shoal]

Would definitely be insane - I think I can comfortably say though that any item skill that isn't specifically a modification to one existing skill does not inherit

[autumn sundial]

you can come back to build when you want but If it feels like a chore, you don't need to do it imo

maybe something like

you start the season with mage, easy filters, you know what to do

1 or 2 weeks mage videos

and other characters in the other weeks etc

[proven haven]

you dont just filter for mage when you play mage

you drop other build items too

[autumn sundial]

makes sense

my bad

[proven haven]

MG basically needs to filter for all builds

[autumn sundial]

If we had anything like this, I'd appreaciate it so much

do you know filterblade in poe

[proven haven]

we have sanctum whatever its called

I forget

[autumn sundial]

is it updated online?

I know the issue now

[proven haven]

LE filters are kinda complicated, a lot of them miss some good stuff, include some bad stuff

like idols needing 2 good affix, usually good roll, can't really filter

some unique 1LP sellable with good roll, sometimes 2LP sellable with any roll, etc. et.c

sometimes exalt better with open prefix or whatever or only certain type with certainaffix

craftable base, imprintable base

[autumn sundial]

see, there are many things to add into filters but can you do that? yes, maybe, would I recommend it? nope

you are going for best build (best items/ best possible outcome/ best dmg) which needs to be appreciated so much

but does it worth?

really worth?

asking to you

[proven haven]

I don't care as much about adding everything, more just including expensive stuff

but its not so easy

[autumn sundial]

I have an idea actually

while playing poe, there were builds like

beginner (meh items) / pro (better items "this doesnt need to be best items btw")

so If you give option in videos, you don't need to think about them so much

let's say meta has changed

people can choose to play with beginner items or pro items depending of their gold

[proven haven]

I already give options, generally, but not for MG specifically. No point in doing that

most people will just follow guide exactly, so items that are exactly like meta guide become expensive

similar items that might be 90% as good could be 10% the price

if I say something else is good then it just becomes expensive too

[autumn sundial]

then you have control at bazaar

why don't use it

[proven haven]

not really control since you can't flip

its an advantage to know options though

you can gear up cheaper

[autumn sundial]

If people follow builds to the end, then they are likely going to buy best items

[proven haven]

could probably make profit by crafting though

I think there is some skill opportunity there

[autumn sundial]

yup

[proven haven]

imprint rushing is probably very profitable too

they can't buy imprint and re-sell procs, is trade locked

[autumn sundial]

see

you know the way of grinding gold

[boreal quest]

Has anyone tried turning Lightning Blast to cold?

[harsh abyss]

This season it's been all about Vilatria + Ladle (Using Legend's Entwined + Vilatria helm) for the strongest way to play LB, so I don't think many people have been doing stuff with cold conversion.

Math says Focal Blast is just flat worse than Convergence for single target, which is the main struggle most builds have

[stable holly]

I don’t think last epoch is this complex in general, it’s usually very simple to gear in LE compared to PoE.

You can usually infer from a single planner the stepping stones needed to get there.

[hearty jolt]

You don't even need the planner if you know what the build itself scales

Add defensive layers until you can farm comfortably, and the rest goes to damage affixes

The powercreep covers a lot of things anyway, resistances, crit capping, etc

[small stone]

@hearty jolt I have a fire aura disintegrate runemaster.. but it seems lightning is more burst and kill fast..

[hearty jolt]

was it intentional to go as off meta as humanly possible? 😭

Mad respect

[stable holly]

This is what I an working with as well, it works but yeah it’s not amazing either.

Hoping for some buffs next seasons

[autumn sundial]

I want to play fire aura...

[full bluff]

I tried disintegrate with fire aura a bit, and it looks cool. But the style of play is not for me

I can't decide on my last skill spec. Elemental Nova is tempting just for fire style. But hope we get some more visual options for that. Then it is snap freez for defenses or panic button, which could work well with aura still doing damage while frozen. Or Frost Wall for more damage and some utility and ward. Or Flame rush

[tribal veldt]

you can spec ele nova for armor shred (and other on hit ailments, mainly useful if you're ladle)

saving an amulet suffix is worth it

snap freeze is also solid but only if you play cold aura I imagine

[full bluff]

Most mage skills are so weak as support, compared to other classes

[full bluff]

Ended up with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIB3ewMDFQQ, will get back to it next season 🙂

[autumn sundial]

do we have a way to close visual effects for mage? (not sounds but appearance of skills)

[nimble shoal]

Like, make them invisible? No, none so far

[tribal veldt]

quality of life tip - keep a Culnivar's Claim sceptre in your inventory for maps, if you equip it for a split second it immediately sets your mana to 0%

no more dumping mana at the start of the map

[harsh abyss]

I hate weapon swapping, but that's actually a great idea, especially for mana stacking focus when you want to channel it from zero mana

[full bluff]

thanks, was anoying to dump mana

[tribal veldt]

it's technically a weapon swap but you just double-rightclick it in your inventory, not annoying at all

[harsh abyss]

It's also not an "in combat to snapshot" weapon swap, so I'm much more okay with it

[short spoke]

I use "yolo mouse" on steam, it's cheap and works great to make a big cursor you can see

[stable holly]

I don’t find I need it in Last Epoch but in PoE my cursor is huge and bright pink XD

PoE is overall a much busier game though and I am a lover of minion builds so it gets real messy lol

[proven haven]

You can also just adjust your windows cursor size and it'll make your LE cursor bigger, that's been good enough for me 🤷‍♂️

[autumn sundial]

https://youtu.be/3dw1ARrwLZ4?si=49r8Lc_0W8QqWkmG

loot filter!!!

[bright depot]

?

[autumn sundial]

tysm

[unreal glen]

noob question: as a fire mage, what stat is usually better? % Spelldmg or %firedmg?

[harsh abyss]

They're additive and do the same thing for spells, so whichever has the higher roll is better.

[unreal glen]

thank you!

[short spoke]

Don't neglect fire pen, many skills will have nodes as well

[autumn sundial]

any mage players?

[harsh abyss]

Yep, it's just awful quiet because people are mostly playing other stuff right now.

[strange needle]

And there is 1 build for mage🤣 ,for real they better give at least 3 good builds for mage instead of let's play lightning blast again

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I hope they bring up some other builds.

There are other builds that can do Uber but when you compare the strength of lots of Sentinel or Primalist builds, it could use a lot of help.

[stone rapids]

hey that’s not fair, mage has at least 2 good builds

[autumn sundial]

I was just going to say hello but this is so funny 😂

[strange needle]

Both abuse same thing no autocast lightning blast with focus mana guide or something like that 🤣

[stone rapids]

I was referring to shatter strike as the second one yea that’s ok too but it’s still LB

[strange needle]

Idk static orb nerf for me its crap when things like mana flay lich or bear earthquake exist balance hasn't improved since then

[tulip glacier]

god I really hope we get a lot of changes to a lot of the unique items to make them more viable is a greater variety of builds

[autumn sundial]

more items!!! moree!!!

[tulip glacier]

I've been trying to make a curse of perserverance build work and it is just dog water

[harsh abyss]

I'm kind of hoping that the improvements aren't gated by uniques. I feel like mage has a TON of related uniques that just suck. I'd rather those get improved and some of the core mage stuff gets enhanced.

Mage used to be the premier Ward-generating class, and now they're probably the worst outside of Rogue 😝

[tulip glacier]

right? I want to use more cool stuff but I am gated by the fact that it's just bad

[jaunty wind]

Is the Bloody Nib as truly atrocious as it seems? I've thought about trying it out on my Shatter build, but the amount of bleed looks like I'll die to that faster than getting punched by mobs.

[tribal veldt]

it used to be pretty good and has not aged that well. You could build around it if you really wanted to, the bleed downside is more of a nuisance than a real roadblock for a character

just need to be more judicious than usual with cleanse effects and/or have some HP recovery and/or don't overinvest into attack speed too hard

[nimble shoal]

Isn't it still BiS for SS? Granted, it's not a popular build by any means, but it definitely does damage.

[stone rapids]

yeah to be honest diothaen’s is absolutely BiS for shatter by a landslide to the point where using any other relic is pretty troll to be honest

the bleed doesn’t scale with your stats or anything (not like you’re building %increased phys damage or whatever anyways) so they’re pretty negligible as long as you don’t neglect defenses.

[harsh abyss]

"it used to be pretty good and has not aged that well" is basicaly the tag for most mage abilities/uniques at this point

[tribal veldt]

that is what I meant, I could've explained it better

watching shatter strike melt a boss is cool and all, but then you see the investment needed to feel tanky enough and it's uhhhh yeah...

[harsh abyss]

Or just play a paladin and get all your defense for basically free!

I'd be fine with spellblade builds being glass cannon if they did absurd damage.

[stone rapids]

this is true whether or not you decide to use diothaen’s. on average, mage is in an abysmal state in terms of defenses. people will cry about squishy rogues till the cows come home but the reality is mage is extremely difficult to make actually tanky

runemaster at least has access to cfc which helps but if you’re playing sorc/spellblade or using a different invocation your options are extremely limited

[tribal veldt]

squishy rogues? huhhhhh

I have never seen that talking point those people need to reassess lmao

[stone rapids]

it’s one that gets brought up all the time in this discord that’s always been a bad narrative that only exists because people don’t understand not to use dodge as a sole defensive layer

[tribal veldt]

"I can't stand in dot pools = I'm not tanky" type stuff huh. yeesh.

[stone rapids]

i mean shatter strike does do pretty absurd damage tbh

as for the rest of the spellblade skills: well, um, hmmm…. no comment

[tribal veldt]

The fire aura takeover is imminent, just watch

gaining like 10x damage ( 10x0 = 0 )

though to be fair glyph spamming with mana stack is pretty tanky, so if the damage isn't a complete joke I'm in business

[stone rapids]

yeah there are scenarios where mage can get tanky don’t get me wrong but they’re far more fringe or high opportunity cost than the scenarios on literally every other class

[tribal veldt]

absolutely

sphere of protection on the tree just to tease us, when other classes get that node like a dozen times over lol

[stone rapids]

also this doesn’t even touch on the fact that nearly all of mage’s tankiness comes from an activated ability that doesn’t have nearly 100% uptime lol

[harsh abyss]

As opposed to paladins who get it for about 15 passives and a skill with permanent uptime

[left hill]

I'm still hoping they buffed other ways to generate FA

[proven haven]

There's a handful of Uber / 1kc viable Mage builds imo. STR Stack cleaver Brand can still do it, Dex stack with BBC or something, Mana Stack Focus, LB Self Cast, LB Mana Guide, Shatterstrike, Static Orb with Vilatria + Legends, Fire Turret Runic, etc. Probably more I'm forgetting. I just don't think there is that much theorycrafting going on to find / test them.

To be fair a lot of these hinge on a few shared skills / items. Also think a lot of this viability came from powercreep, not mage being necessarily strong relative to other classes

[stable holly]

100% came from power creep, the power creep has been insane since release.

[proven haven]

Oh and bug fixes

I made video talking about the LB bugs and EHG smashed them, pog

[harsh abyss]

I'd been complaining about the Spark Nova bug since like... .82 or something

[proven haven]

yea but you didnt make video

[harsh abyss]

😢

[stable holly]

Just be a YouTuber 5head

https://tenor.com/view/just-house-totally-duh-gif-23663188

[nimble shoal]

Hmm... is that what I need to get locust swarm fixed? 👀

[proven haven]

can't hurt to try

[waxen falcon]

hi all and good evening want to ask some advice about RELIC site -Diothaen's Bloody Nib & IDOL site - Throne Of Ambition is this 2 item related mean are these two pieces of equipment closely related? Are they both Indispensable?? because i just make this for pure cold frostbite build now lv.80 , but still KO that Stupit t4 julra in lv.3
thanks for reply

o.....i'm spellblade build now lv.80

[stone rapids]

for shatter strike yeah not using both of those items is a pretty bad idea

[waxen falcon]

ok.....thanks👍

[left hill]

👀

We’ll share more changes to Spellblade in upcoming posts, including improvements and ways to gain Fire Aura!

[harsh abyss]

Fingers crossed for some general mage improvements. But I'd just love a way to make mana strike a competitive ability.

[night cedar]

Spellblade buffs 🙂

Can’t wait

[proven haven]

Anyone think the 30% melee to spell changes anything?

Frost Claw already has glamdring at 100% melee to spell and it's kinda okay ish, trigger builds usually want fast attack speed

[stone rapids]

double dipping on flame reave sounds interesting

maybe

[proven haven]

which often goes against big hitting melee

I was wondering if FR would convert twice

Like 100 melee -> 30 spell -> 30 melee

I think no

unless it's a passive added to character sheet

actually I think it is

[stone rapids]

it does say just added as spell

[proven haven]

Yeah I think it is added twice then

[stone rapids]

so i would assume it goes to sheet

also rip shatter strike ward gen xd

[proven haven]

You know what I want?

Spell blade can trigger spells as if they were direct cast

specific to spellblade

[left hill]

makes SB squishier lol 😅

[proven haven]

ah that's probably fair, SB was always known as the giga tank

[harsh abyss]

That just means that FC is just gonna be that much stronger than everything else still 🙁

I could see it being useful on the "Oops all triggers" build because you're triggering like 5 spells with every mana strike. But I don't see how it even allows for anything nearly as good as the Vilatria + Enigma tech, at least by itself.

Spellblade should get passive nodes that give them block chance while dual wielding

[left hill]

They do mention "defensive options throughout the passive tree, including additional armor, dodge, and ward generation options," but not block chance.

[jade moss]

SB changes look terrible

[left hill]

I'm reserving judgment until seeing the Fire Aura generation changes. mainly because I want to make a Dark Shroud of Cinders spellblade work

[stone rapids]

flame reave is what i’m most excited about personally

[unborn stump]

I'm not! It looks like they are favoring the "melee attack procs spells" mechanic, which is the best chance to just make it most interesting early on, but not scale effectively later on. Or as i said in my Sparkcharge Mana strike video, you just make a build that does something that the actual sorcerer or runemaster who prime that procced spell do better without the same effort.
Maybe the change to the intrinsic bonus can boost the base damage for flame reave, and also whatever you proc from it. But man....fireball? really?

Plus the hybrid flame reave is just bad for scaling whatever of the two you choose. You even make it hybrid with spell damage, so now you can only scale crit. Unless you have an effective way to scale fire, lightning, spell AND melee damage altogether.

[stone rapids]

my guess is they’re gonna give us full lightning conversion and then you can do flame reave + lb, which should be fun in theory

[unborn stump]

That would be something

plus, they wanna prime spell proccing, but the whole spellblade tree scales increases melee elemental damage, basically.

[unborn stump]

this would be too broken because of spark charges

so i don't think they wanna do that

[stone rapids]

spellblade is getting reworked, broken things are always on the table for reworks

[unborn stump]

if you get pure lightning just vilatria itself is breaking flamereave

imagine plus spark charges AND LB spark nova and charges

there's no way xd

don't keep your hopes too high lol

[stone rapids]

that really has nothing on bear casting earthquake which is a byproduct of the most recent mastery rework so it honestly doesn’t really sound that outlandish

plus you lose the ability to double and quadruple cast

as well as all the chains for direct cast only

[unborn stump]

well, If they even allow for full lightning flame reave, i think it's good enough for Uby

I believe flame reave as it is can already do Uby, Struggling, and you need some good 2T7 and 3 LP jasper

jaspar*

[stone rapids]

if we’re assuming that spark charges/lb/enigma/ladle aren’t getting nerfed, which they are

[unborn stump]

if they allow enigma to apply 100 more base damage at 200% effectiveness for flame reave, that'd increase current damage by 40%

30-40%

a little less maybe

around 30%

[stone rapids]

2 per 3 seconds limit and you lose all the selfcast bonuses, i don’t think the enigma bonus will make it better than selfcast tbh

[unborn stump]

i'm referring to flame reave here

not LB

[stone rapids]

i’m not really sure that full lightning conversion really moves the needle for flame reave much, you lose throne of ambition among other things

[harsh abyss]

They really shouldnt. Other things need to be brought UP

[stone rapids]

i’m not saying they should or not, but i think if you expect ladle and/or lb to not get nerfed in 1.4 you’re setting yourself up for disappointment

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

[proven haven]

idk dudes I think Flame Reave needs a lot more to be giga, the spell proc thing just kinda fails with the indirect cast, unless you have good procs for spells that don't primarily depend on direct cast. And the "of weapon damage" kills a lot of the potentially cool interactions vs if it used character sheet.

do we think things like this where "stats are increased" would work with the spell blade weapon melee -> spell thing?

or do increased weapon stats just go to character sheet without modifying the "weapon stats"

[abstract scaffold]

It's conditional, so likely doesn't work

[abstract scaffold]

Just it being 2 per 3 seconds really kills it. Like what in tarnation is 2 fireballs going to do

[harsh abyss]

I thought it was 3 per 2 seconds? Not THAT much better but still.

Yeah its worded terribly. Its "limit per 2 seconds: 3"

So you can trigger 1.5 casts per second. Much better than .66 casts per second.

[abstract scaffold]

Oh yeah, why they word it like that lol

[abstract scaffold]

A slightly stronger gust of wind in terms of damage

[harsh abyss]

Definitely feels like a really low limit. Half of Dragorath's? Bleh

Maybe we'll get lucky and Battlemage's Endeavor will get buffed.

BE with Legends Entwined + Vilatria might be decent, I didnt try that out this season.

Too bad it's "added melee damage on weapons" and not "added melee damage from attacks".

If it was the latter, mana stacking mana strike could actually be good.

[left hill]

and would reward taking the added melee damage from passives (unless a lot of that is reworked)

[nimble shoal]

This, basically. Same reason this effect and the 1h mace don't apply to forged weapons or manifest armor, either.

[proven haven]

Thats pretty anti fun

[nimble shoal]

True that 😔

[stable holly]

Both should happen tbf

[harsh abyss]

I dunno. I could see bringing Enigma down somehow, but LB itself isn't too strong right now. If anything, the fact that Enigma is the main way to play LB is the problem. Even with spark nova on every convergence hit (which I don't think it should be), it doesn't do that insane of dps without Enigma.

[stone rapids]

the inverse is also true though. it’s not like enigma (or spark charges in general) are really doing much when they’re not being applied by LB

[harsh abyss]

So what I'm hearing is, remove the spark charge nodes from LB. Replace that branch with one that supports LB being triggered specifically instead of cast directly.

[dapper flare]

You talking about Gavel? When I tested it seemed like some effects went and some didn’t but maybe I misunderstood

[nimble shoal]

Yeah. The doubling effect doesn't apply, or at least that's what we were told. Haven't felt like it was worthwhile to test yet.

[dapper flare]

I did some testing with it and I noticed some modifiers weren’t applying but others were. Shred wasn’t but like the flat felt like it was, but I don’t remember my exact test to be sure😅

[umbral perch]

I would not be shocked if there are nodes behind the Fireball and LB proc nodes in Flame Reave that increase the allowed triggers per 2s or otherwise juice the procs. That seems like a common pattern for EHG, even in cases where it seems like they could have a single node with multiple points.

Can someone more familiar with Shatter Strike clarify how the ice spikes work (the ones that will be able to proc glacier)? Is that something that can shotgun an enemy you are attacking in melee, or is that more of a 'clear the rest of the screen while you burst down a rare' sort of mechanic?

[nimble shoal]

As far as we can tell, they do not shotgun, but they can hit the same enemies you hit with the melee portions of SS.
If they fix the bug that makes them shoot out from you instead of from the outer edge of SS, that'll be a lot harder to do. Unlikely they will fix it, though.

[verbal whale]

Is Shattered Cycle just bad? My assumption being that the runic invocations themselves aren't very strong

[nimble shoal]

It's a solid legendary base since it's a top tier sceptre base with a high cast speed roll and some mana regen. But its actual unique effects are pretty meme-tier, yes.

[verbal whale]

Let's just say I wanted to use it for a meme tier build. Is there a particular invocation that could make the best use out the unique effect? I had a test with them earlier and it's hard to find one that stands out. Runemaster isn't a mastery I've played much
@nimble shoal

[harsh abyss]

There aren't a ton of invocations that really stand out without specific unique items. But that's not the real reason that Shattered Cycle's unique affixes are hard to do. The real problem is that when you're scaling up your cast speed to super high levels, doing the "1 spell -> invoke -> 2 spell -> invoke -> 3 spell -> invoke" is really obnoxious to get right.

You generally scale enough cast speed that in the time you've carefully done that cycle, you could've cast like 20 spells just by holding down the button. Cast speed is one of the best damage multipliers and the higher your cast speed, the harder it is to get the cycle right.

[tribal veldt]

it doesn't help that the skill tree has little to no support for casting RI as your main damage dealing skill. there's the elemental starfield branch, and runic energy can work for some duration-focused invocations, but that's pretty much it

Either the invocations themselves should double down on all/most of them providing utility and supporting effects, or the tree needs love to make it viable as a damage skill.

[umbral perch]

I have submitted a suggestion for a Runemaster passive threshold or unique item that grants a fixed amount of cast speed (whatever feels good) and converts all other cast speed from all sources (including and especially Frenzy) into a straight more damage multiplier. That way you can still scale your damage with cast speed but the timings remain manageable. Converting frenzy and other temporary sources ensures that the timings stay consistent, as well, so you can build muscle memory.

Though I would also like (and have suggested) an item that just makes RI a fourth part of the Runebolt combo skill, so you can just... hold down the button and fire 3 runebolts and immediately RI. Over and over, at whatever cast speed you can get and sustain. I am not sure what opportunity cost would properly balance the convenience, though.

[harsh abyss]

That shouldn't be a RM-specific thing, that should be a generic unique, probably a ring or catalyst. It would make channeling skills that don't scale with cast speed actually functional

Or maybe a relic, and have it be pretty powerful since there are so many other good relics it'd have to compete with

[stable holly]

I don’t think skills or builds than don’t scale with cast speed should require a unique to function.

I think overall that’s really uninteresting and even harmful towards having interesting choices as opposed to mandatory ones.

[night cedar]

I’m hoping that frost claw spellblade is cooking next season

One of my favorite visual and sound designs in the game

[proven haven]

Probably not unless they add some way to scale the indirect casts, FC loses 60-80% of the damage from being indirect cast

[harsh abyss]

I mean, I totally agree, but I'll take a unique to fix it instead of waiting 15 years for them to redesign every channeling skill so that they don't suck.

[stone rapids]

you don’t think the mastery passive with glamdring moves the needle? 30% does sound pretty low but idk

and yeah you do kinda cut yourself off all the good nodes on the bottom left

[proven haven]

Glamdring is already 100% melee as spell, and melee anywhere including stuff like mourningfrost. New thing is just on weapon and 30%, plus the attack speed is generally lower on 2h which has the big flat melee, you probably want dual wield. The harmony spear Primordial thing would be neat but we dont think the mastery works with it

And glamdring definitely doesn't

Or wait does it

Oh yeah it does, it goes to char sheet

Mastery doesnt

[stone rapids]

to me melee -> spell from mastery reads as going to the character sheet, but iirc it’s not gonna work with harmony bc the way harmony gives stats is weird

it being from weapons only is kinda annoying tbh but i guess they wanted to keep mourningfrost in check

[umbral perch]

yeah, I got confirmation in the ask-the-devs channel that Harmony's effect is actually much closer to "get free stats on your char sheet equal to X% of this weapon's stats", so Mike expected the extra stats from Harmony to not be counted by that conversion

[proven haven]

It only would have been 30% more flat for those sources, are they really that strong to justify this? Idk

[stone rapids]

not necessarily that it would be too strong, but it could potentially have the effect of limiting spellblade build diversity by making mourningfrost so incentivized. and mourningfrost has the knock-on effect of limiting your gear choices in other slots as well. that would be my guess as to why they made it weapons only

[proven haven]

Well then 30% should be higher imo

Unless there are other buffs we haven't seen

[stone rapids]

from what we’ve been shown so far, definitely

i’m also pretty worried that triggered spells spellblade is gonna get a ton of stuff and pure melee spellblade is either gonna get nerfed or untouched

[proven haven]

I could see a shatterstrike nerf

Idk if it would be reasonable though

[stone rapids]

a slight damage nerf would be fine if it gets defensive buffs to compensate

and so far all we’ve seen is that the ward gen is getting nerfed once again xddd

[proven haven]

Ward isn't even that strong right now as a pure defense, even life and hybrid setups seem tankier

And mage kinda doesn't do the other options that well

[stone rapids]

also the amount of crutching that flame ward does for mage defense is so lame

[harsh abyss]

I feel like dodge and ward go together really well, would love to see more synergy there across all of mage

[umbral perch]

From the preview, it looked like they considered triggered spells as the new defining theme of Spellblade, the thing that distinguishes them from every other mastery. I'd expect pure melee spellblade to be almost completely abandoned unless there is a major hue and outcry, and then they'll stick in a couple of consolation prize passive threshold effects and call it a day. Though sometimes there's some bonkers stuff in that grab bag.

[proven haven]

To be fair, that is the "spell" part of "spellblade" if we are speaking thematically, it would make sense if the primary or optimal way to play it was a hybrid. I'd call it a failure if we end up with direct cast spellblades as the best versions too.

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, tbh I think otherwise it makes most of Mage's skills totally useless for spellblades

[harsh abyss]

On the flipside I don't think I'd expect to see "melee only" spellblades because the non-spellblade skill that is a melee skill is mana strike. Triggered spells are going to be absolutely necessary to making them work, especially with the new mastery bonus

[night cedar]

How does shatter strike solve clear anyways iirc it being pretty clunky

Sorry lol, I just mean is there a tweak to get more juice besides just walking pack to pack

[proven haven]

I think melee theme would kinda be okay IF the melee was somehow "augmented by magic" like mana strike getting damage from your mana stacking and maybe you have spells for utility, maybe you create fire auras for AoE (in theory anyway)

[proven haven]

if it feels clunky you probably lack movement speed / attack speed I would think, should be able to just quickly 1 tap a pack almost without stopping

If you mean more juice like adding monster density not really, we have some minor stuff in the weaver tree but not much

[night cedar]

Yeah sounds like it’s the former issue, thanks!

[stone rapids]

yeah, probably. if this happens it’ll be a bummer we never got to see pure melee flame reave truly shine

[south saffron]

Hey I have been using a rogue for the majority of my time playing LE but I want to return to spellblade. Is there a guide anyone recommends for spellblade on maxroll or lastepochtools? Thanks

[harsh abyss]

Spellblade builds are probably all gonna be hella outdated in the new season, since spellblade is one of the big update groups

[proven haven]

The closest to what you are used to is probably shatterstrike

[hoary siren]

Which of the sites got the most builds to look through. Maxroll seems to only have 2 or 3 per class. (Only ask cuz i expected more on maxroll, used it alot for D4)

[unreal umbra]

They archived all the bad ones, so that's pretty much it

[stable holly]

Most will be on LE Tools I’d imagine

But quality may vary

[hoary siren]

Gotcha.

[hoary siren]

Ill check it out

[ivory leaf]

I would say for better quality stick to maxroll there are also some good players in the community builds page

[hoary siren]

Sweet deal. Im currently just being a fire sorcerer. Using volcanic orb, fireball and meteor.. doing a decent amount of damage.

[south saffron]

whats worth having more on a spellblade? health or ward or both?

[abstract scaffold]

Spellblade needs everything it can scrape together 🙏

[hoary siren]

Im having far too much fun with sorcerer. Specifically fire. Burn damage goes between 1000-6000 depending on crit and buff and im only level 40

Very few things resist the fireball

[proven haven]

The community builds is also where the maxroll affiliates like myself, dr3ad, pinchingloaf, etc. show up

[ivory leaf]

yes thats what I meant mostly, alongside people like misha

[south saffron]

can you get endurance on mage idols weavers touch?

from cemeteries/tombs?

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, pretty sure it's a generic affix

[gloomy vector]

Any way to improve this Flame Reave Spellblade?

Currently 600c, does everything except uber.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApbPz5ee

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (22) / Spellblade (62) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,557, Regen: 48.41/s
▸ Mana: 312, Regen: 14.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 217%, Regen: 180/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 72 Dex / 79 Int / 15 Att / 27 Vit
▸ Resistances: 113% / 99% / 77% / 79% / 80% / 118% / 107%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 50%, Threshold: 351
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (460)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 37% (1,976)
▸ Block Chance: 2%, Mitigation: 14% (127)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 7%

Used skills:

Mana Strike / Flame Reave / Flame Ward / Teleport / Enchant Weapon

[stone rapids]

you need shattered chains and siphon of anguish

also surely eye of reen is better than using a sceptre

[hoary siren]

Is there a 1 handed version of this? Namely a 1 handed weapon that has the stat per rune

I got a catalyst that I think would pair well with one if there is.

And a relic

[gloomy vector]

Well it seems i do more damage with the sceptre. The added spell damage conversion might outweigh the other benefits of reen’s. Kind of a fine line trade-off…

[gloomy vector]

Would need to sacrifice really good stats on the exalted pieces, but sure the doom ailment will help in adding more damage, just not sure how much if i’m not able to slam them properly, exalteds might be too good?

[strange needle]

Pretty much mandatory to run doom and belt on any melee build you loose to much damage if you don't. And 2-3 lp ring doom is not that hard to get the belt is gonna be the hardest thing to get a 2 lp but 1 lp works,also yeah you get more benefit running eye of reen basically 2 swords spellblade loves swords.

[stone rapids]

a perfectly rolled reen (slammed with t7 melee fire) is 5 less flat than your sceptre, but has the added benefit of giving you up to 200% crit multi between the implicit and reen’s ire, compared to the ~50% on your obsidian sceptre. at 2lp you could slam spell damage to actually get you more flat than your sceptre, or melee AS, crit multi, fire pen, etc

[stone rapids]

doom belt + ring is ~40% more damage (from doom alone, ignoring the other stats on shattered chains) there is no situation where anything is better for a melee build than doom source + doom belt

[thorny bronze]

Is there a viable build for lightning meteor?

[weary hornet]

My lightning meteor auto bomber pushes over 1000 corruption easily, but can't quite do Uber yet.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Baalzevuv/character/FiddleSticks

[jade vortex]

Anyone can boost me levels?

[south saffron]

if I had the full set for this sword does it compare to using a 2 lp Eye of Reen?

and stack health regen

this is for my spellblade

[strange needle]

That item is quite whatever for a spellblade ,the class doesn't have a way to scale health regen like pally or primalist does you loose better affixes if you try to get regen

[south saffron]

oh okay thanks

[proven haven]

you probably could with ladle + vilatria helm, dropping the belt, I tested a similar setup to what you have

[weary hornet]

Probably could! Also want to do it with the Fractured Crown. Ward is for cowards.

[proven haven]

yea I also like frac crown

did my LB autobomber kill with it

I just found the meteor belt was too low in DPS ever since the nerf

really sad about that

even before the nerf it wasn't OP or anything, imo

your gear is better than I ever attempted Uber with on meteor setup though

[weary hornet]

Yeah, that's the big sticking point. Not enough DPS. Hoping when I build a better staff and flesh out more equipment, I can successfully stun lock a little and get 'er done in like 6 minutes. The defense Focus provides is admirable.

Built an excel calculator to figure out the effective armor rating with focus and static shell. 78% with this gear.

And that's WITH mana guide.

[proven haven]

yeah you took the entire opposite approach to the one I went for, it's pretty interesting

[bright depot]

[proven haven]

I went for max DPS kill it before it kills you

you went for the stay alive

[weary hornet]

Too slow. Have to.

[proven haven]

I think ladle can be sub 2 minute kill

with 77 level gear tbh

but you are paper

so thats the trade off

[weary hornet]

Ladle / Fragment can probably do it in 45 seconds. I'm waiting for Thalandala to thump Uber.

[proven haven]

why fragment 🤔

for meteor?

[weary hornet]

Oh, with Harbinger of Stars / Meteor? No, just LB in general.

[proven haven]

oh LB can easily do faster than 45 if optimized and played well

I did ~50 already with not full 77s and some incorrect affixes

I was talking about meteor direct cast

[weary hornet]

Ah, uncertain. Direct cast opens up a lot useful nodes.

I just know no one has used autobombing meteor to kill Uber this season. Last season it was the Cleaver build that did it, iirc.

[proven haven]

Yea cleaver did it

[weary hornet]

Was that one yours?

[proven haven]

yea

This season I also did it with T-pose LB

[weary hornet]

Cleaver design, man.

[proven haven]

heh

[weary hornet]

Oh, you got an autobomber kill on him this season? What skills?

[proven haven]

#🎥┃video-shoutout message

this one

I sent the self cast meteor setup to your DM for reference, in case it gives any ideas

that was T7T5 gear, so worse than your current setup, but damage is really high

problem is it is hard to play properly

[weary hornet]

Ah, nice build! Glad someone made focus work :) Been a goal of mine since last season.

[proven haven]

haha ty, yeah focus is one of my favorite mage items now

that one also has a stupid amount of move speed

can't stand slow builds xd

[weary hornet]

Fastest mage I have played with is Thalandala. He's generally faster than me when troving. Insane DPS too. https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/thalandala/character/Thalandalla

I main a VK, tho.

[proven haven]

yea his character is almost exactly the same as my LB, except with a bit better gear

I think mine would be a bit faster since I run Uber Relic instead of TH, and Blood of the Exile instead of Mountain, but less tanky

[weary hornet]

Yeah, it's hard to get him Christmas gifts. He has everything.

[proven haven]

yeah the 777s are crazy

[weary hornet]

Still working on a 7777 relic for his LP4 fragment. Best we got is 776.

[proven haven]

how do you even

get the right affixes

[weary hornet]

<shrug>

[proven haven]

the probability of getting 4x T7s AND keeping the affixes

[weary hornet]

Likely gonna have to settle for 7775.

And even that's a miserable farm.

[proven haven]

Well if he really does want to try minmaxing this hard, tell him to try the seal imprints

[weary hornet]

Warlord's Riches?

Like, htf does that even?

[proven haven]

no I mean, imprinting an item with seals

it has a higher chance to preserve seal

er affix

actually I'm not sure if that applies to 3x or 4x T7 🤔

it does for 2x T7

[weary hornet]

I've never had luck with it. Hell, I might have even removed the weaver point.

It'll seal, but can't seem to imprint high quality otherwise.

[proven haven]

no the seal imprint on champion whatever that sucks

[weary hornet]

Which makes it useless for slamming onto uniques.

[proven haven]

I mean if you use the other seal sockets with items that have seals

[weary hornet]

But maybe ya get lucky with Vilatria's or another set.

[proven haven]

In theory, a 7555 + T8 suffix sealed would have around 29% chance to give a 2T7 per proc'd imprint output, vs about 18% for a 7755

depending on the reroll chance of the sealed affix, anyway

[weary hornet]

With your name, surprised Mage is your jam. Figured ya know ... sentinel.

[south saffron]

is there a reason my crit chance lowers when im using shatter strike?

[hoary siren]

Runemaster is....complicated. have found a few combos i like.

[south saffron]

ive finally completed my spellblade build 🙂 https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Big_Mike69/character/SpellMike

[stone rapids]

some really nice pieces, you could really use an armor shred affix though

[south saffron]

i know im working on it

[magic cliff]

Its quite amazing that spellblade class is based on a single sorc spell in d2

[ivory leaf]

isnt it from dnd

[balmy drum]

I want female mage 😅

[dire tinsel]

How exactly does Unstable Core work?
A. A total of 6 instances of Elemental Nova have to be cast in 2 seconds in order for the 6th one to gain the bonuses.
B. Elemental Nova has to be cast at least every 2 seconds for the 6th one to gain the bonuses.

[hoary siren]

Id wager its cast it 6 times with each cast being no more than 2 seconds from each other.

[harsh abyss]

It's B, as long as you're casting it more often than every 2 seconds, it counts towards the counter of 6 casts

VERY few builds cast it that much, but I had a Gordian Prism + Ele Nova Runemaster build that was pretty fun

[frigid saffron]

If I'm using yrun's penance and I have increases to lightning damage will my mana strike hit for more cold?

[stone rapids]

no, however if you had for example, t7 melee lightning on your yrun's, that flat would still get added to mana strike as flat lightning and get scaled by your %increased lightning damage

[frigid saffron]

thanks

[south saffron]

any spellblades here? 🙂

[hoary siren]

Oddly I was just about to make one haha...

[south saffron]

do it. its so fun

[hoary siren]

Aye. Im using a chill sword, turns mana strike to cold. Huts like a truck. just one shotting things atm. Working on leveling up to get mastery and all that

[frigid saffron]

is "freeze rate" in yrun's penance the same as freeze rate multiplier, or something else?

[stable holly]

The looks very obviously like B to me

Need to cast with no longer than a 2 second gap between casts, so at least once every 2 seconds

[craggy rapids]

hello gus i have a question wher drop scholar's unstable core

[hoary siren]

The chestplate?

[craggy rapids]

thx

[proven haven]

Random, but I like Dammitt's changes to the wording there, a lot of people assumed these items were exclusive to the timeline, now is more clear

[hoary siren]

Im a complete noob to last epoch. I legit only started like 2 weeks ago. So I genuinely have no clue what im talking about hahaha.

I played Diablo 4 alot so im not new to the style

[proven haven]

Heh don't mind me, there was a misconception that global drops were actually specific to certain areas because of the wiki wording, just noticed it is better now

[hoary siren]

Lmao gotcha.

[spring crag]

Hi, in lightning blast runemaster, which runic invocation does the most dps? I just feel like that lb runemaster seems to mainly casting lb while runic invocation can be anything you want. Or right now is there a build that uses runic invocation as the main damage method? SInce I feel it is more like runemaster theme.

[stone rapids]

lb is using reowyn’s frostguard just for ward gen not for dmg. if you want to use runic invo as main dmg prob play hydra

[frigid saffron]

I'm using gordian prism on my runemaster and if I cast three cold spells before grand prism nova, will the nova do cold damage or all three?

[nimble shoal]

It's based on the runes you get, not the spells you cast. So if those gave you 3 cold runes, then yes it will just be cold damage.

[frigid saffron]

thx

[south saffron]

is there a good way to cleanse yourself of negative ailments on a spellblade?

[thorny glade]

enchant weapon has it

that, frostwall, and glyph of domination are the skills that have it for mage

[vague coral]

fireball. mage. ignite . how do you make it work for corruption

ive been trying since before runemaster was even in the game and it was still not sustainable but theres been alot of changes

[nimble shoal]

Does frost claw still have cleanse? If so, that's good for spellblade auto cleansing

[stable holly]

What corruption?

[proven haven]

nope jiga nerfed, sorry about that btw 🙂

[waxen sigil]

hi pros n bros

is this game ok

did the frenzy belt or ignite ammy every get bug fix or no

@tepid barn what season ius it

help pls

[lofty vigil]

Its season 3 , unsure about the belt

[thorny glade]

Belt is still buggy. Haven’t had problems with the amulet?

[proven haven]

I heard from dr3ad the amulet got ninja fixed (changed?) ages ago, didn't try it myself though

[harsh abyss]

All I remember hearing about the amulet was that it was intended that the spells cast by the wisps don't use your skill tree, which kind of defeats the whole purpose

And the ignite spread radius was tiny and that it only spread half the stacks, which also kinda make it bunk

But I don't think anyone has actually tried it since the first few days, so if a ninja fix happened no one likely knows 😝

[jade vortex]

Can anyone give me an advice what to gear up whit spellblade endgame echoes?

I'm kindly shitting myself to sustain dmg past 2mins of fight

[strange needle]

The wildfire amulet works as intended is just that its garbage maybe they buff it next patch or something

Belt will get fixed next season I hope ,would be cool to try with the 2 handed axe that gets flat from frenzy stacking

[thorny glade]

wildfire is mostly bad cause it's eats your primal slot. if it were a normal unique it would be really good

it's not like uh, the primal bleed gauntlets which are usually just worse than salt the wound

in the same slot

it did solid work for me on my silly ignite based detonating arrow build but it would have been better with an alternative primal sure

[stone rapids]

carrion are crazy good for bleed and definitely not worse than salt the wound lol what

[thorny glade]

what build are you thinking here, cause i was really underwhelmed by them on my bleed lich compared to salt

like, i could see them on some build that has a bunch of different status effect chances

but the actual bleed explosions didnt get a lot done

[stone rapids]

well lich has a ton of access to crit multi so that potentially could be the case in some scenarios there

[thorny glade]

compared to my other ways to spreading bleed

[stone rapids]

the explosions aren’t really the valueable part of the gloves at all

they’re on the best base type come with a fatty bleed roll on them and the conversion is where the real money is at

[south saffron]

just slammed this for my spellblade 🙂

[thorny glade]

yeah makes sense. i guess it lets you double dip bleed chance on stuff like the bleed+poison passives and crap

[stone rapids]

you can get 400% bleed chance from blessings alone with those gloves

also enables some really funny shenanigans I have a build that was getting like 1400% bleed chance from jasper’s searing pride

just from the unique mod and then even more from slams on the weapon alone

[thorny glade]

i usually end up using my blessings for various survivability traits but yeah makes sense

cause usually my damage i already very good by the time i can unlock them

but risk is ramping up

[stone rapids]

yeah some of the blessings are tricky to give up on non sentinels particularly reign of dragons but stuff like lagon blessing ends up being dead weight a lot of the time so being able to turn it into 100% bleed is real nice

[strange needle]

Carrion is indeed very good for bleed, dont put it beside wildfire, that one is literally garbage and has no use for whatever you want to do, another amulet does 100 %better job, the harmony spear is another garbage primordial

You get so much bleed buildup that with enough attack speed cast speed you get bonkers amount of bleed ,I would love to try the vengeance pally bleed that dread made a couple months before could be bonkers with some fine tuning

[hoary siren]

Give that to me 🤣🤣🤣

[south saffron]

ok 🙂

[tepid barn]

New season starts 2 more months I guess, wats up you back to break the ladder board?

[south saffron]

lol 5308 endurance threshold on my spellblade

[harsh abyss]

Using Wall of Nothing I hope, so that all becomes ward decay threshold?

I've always wanted to do a Dodge + Foot of the Mountain + Wall of Nothing combo to get an insane amount of threshold

[spring crag]

Just want to ask, has anyone used mourningfrost on spellblade?

I find it not worthy even with the insane amount of damage it would add

Since it makes you die from like, everything cold and physical

[stone rapids]

generally speaking shatter strike has no problems pumping dmg while struggling in the survivability department so mourningfrost makes it extremely difficult to actually get reasonable tankiness and the extra dmg generally isn’t needed

[harsh abyss]

Mourningfrost DOES double dip into Glamdring though for Frost Claw, so a cold-based proc version of spellblade could probably do it.

Convert Mana Strike to cold
Convert LB to cold
Use Dragorath's Claw to proc LB and FC on mana strike

Go nuts

[nimble shoal]

Yes, you could go pure glass cannon with it if you're insane, but I paired it with the bane of winter spear to cancel out half the negatives and to get even more extra flat for spell procs.

It's not the meta way to play shatter strike, but it worked and I enjoyed it more than the traditional way to play it

[past obsidian]

Hi how's Frozen's autobomber LB build? Is it OP? I always follow Frozen's stuff and it is legit cheating-tech

[spring crag]

Yes, it's quite OP. I tried it.

[spring crag]

How's the DPS compared to the meta pure shattering strike?

[spring crag]

No I'm not insane. Right now I'm considering foot of the mountains but not sure if there are any better options.

I can tradeoff a little defense for more damage but not to the extent of mourningfrost.

For runemaster, can hydrahedron rm realistically kill uberroth online anymore?

I'm experimenting hydrahedron offline to use mod to get balanced ward, dodge and armor and it's very OP (same Uberroth kill time as shattering strike spellblade). I even use lowlife mode to benefit from more wards. But not sure about online.

[rapid hinge]

they should be the same, as long as you're using the same items

[spring crag]

offline means that I use mod to get perfect rolls and like 4 t7 affixes. Having roll and affixes like that is realistically impossible in online

but still possible in theory

btw, in this current season, is there any sorcerer build that does not use LB but uberroth viable?

I just feel that LB is something both sorcerer and runemaster can do well, and runemaster can do much better.

[harsh abyss]

"The game is much easier when cheating" Yeah I mean sure

[strange needle]

You cant compare builds when doing offline cheats and say well online can get comparable gear its all crap the amount of time that takes getting uniques with enough lp,exalted with the mods you want specially when you are into 3 t7 affixes and the slamming its literally hundreds and hundred of hours specially if the slamming fails resetting the grind again for hundreds hours again.

I can make a ballista build tanky if my red ring has 4 t7 affixes and be op🤣 while not dying

We have being getting some people nowdays doing that stuff

[proven haven]

Autobomber LB wasn't meant to be "OP", I don't consider it better than self cast at high levels of gear. It doesnt really scale with cast speed, and those affix slots from 2LP+ slams don't provide as much value as they do for self cast.

That said I still killed Uber and farmed 2k corr with it on mediocre gear, and its comfortable to play

[spring crag]

But they are the most overpowered option right now for sorcerer, right? I'm not sure about self cast sorcerer since in situations like uberroth I don't thinl we could use the arcane buff to restrict movement there.

[proven haven]

self cast LB sorc probably still better despite being worse than RM 🤷‍♂️ at least for minmaxing DPS

[spring crag]

Hmm that's sad. I wonder if there is a good single target fire or lightning dmg sorcerer that is not lightning blast.

[strange needle]

Maybe meteor ,what they did to static orb is so wrong very good s tier skill now way worse than lightning blast meanwhile erasing strike is s tier gets a little nerfed its still s tier .the best mana stacking synergy in the game gutted so bad 🥲 I miss you static orb

[spring crag]

Not so sure about meteor. Damage is way worse than lightning blast

[spring crag]

Yeah, lightning meteor is bad, even worse than avalanche shaman. I tested it.

[rapid hinge]

that sounds weird

meteor and low damage shouldnt be in the same sentence

[abstract scaffold]

Me when black hole is a mediocre status skill

[spring crag]

But it kills much much slower than lightning blast and often runs out of mana. Avalanche can achieve the same (and even better) damage while having less chaotic boulder drops.

Otherwise, i will be convinced that it is a strong build if it can kill uberroth in less than 3 mins online.

[gloomy vector]

Holy shit, looks very hard to improve on this one

[gloomy vector]

So i farmed better gear based on these recommendations and got some improvements. Build is fun and a very fast farmer. Even was able to do well the fading brink, however still not uber aby, would need a bit more DPS or more practice.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/owLvqkeX

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (23) / Spellblade (62) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,558, Regen: 43.2/s
▸ Mana: 299.51, Regen: 11.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 238%, Regen: 186/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 85 Dex / 94 Int / 16 Att / 28 Vit
▸ Resistances: 119% / 95% / 119% / 99% / 60% / 133% / 88%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 346
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (631)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,935)

Used skills:

Mana Strike / Flame Reave / Flame Ward / Teleport / Enchant Weapon

[raw monolith]

erm could i have you thoughts on this build by any chance. if there are any issues could you explain to me what changes are needed and give me possible options so i can learn 🙂 https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy4wVem9

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (65) / Runemaster (28)

General:

▸ Health: 1,690, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 340.8, Regen: 23.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 272%, Regen: 300/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 12 Dex / 78 Int / 2 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 86% / 149% / 133% / 80% / 81% / 113% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 75%, Threshold: 338
▸ Dodge Chance: 14% (445)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 17% (562)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 124%

Used skills:

Frost Claw / Ice Barrage / Flame Ward / Focus / Teleport

[raw monolith]

main skills as you can tell im focusing on are frost claw and ice barrage

[proven haven]

In my testing I've gotten much better DPS out of static orb than meteor, even T7T5 gear can get SO to 30m+ dps

[proven haven]

Meteor should be able to achieve around 3min uber with T7T5 gear, fairly glass cannon setup though. Lower might be possible but its difficult to play properly. Sub 2 minute static orb uber with similar gear is possible.

[harsh abyss]

Static orb is also best because Big Kaboom™. If there was a way to convert all cast speed to More damage, I'd 100% go for it because single big hits give much better dopamine than fast casts

[spring crag]

How do you manage mana with static orb? That's the thing i'm struggling when playing with it.

[proven haven]

Negative mana focus, I also used mana guide

You don't really need it for echoes mostly, and most bosses insta die in one rotation, but for uber you mana dump, then focus around for 3 seconds or so, full mana, repeat

[spring crag]

That's literally how I play avalanche

[proven haven]

You could probably make it work without mana guide but you'll need to position yourself well before channeling

[spring crag]

So the damage might be similar

[proven haven]

I think SO is higher

[spring crag]

Hmm, hopefully so

[proven haven]

Do you mean glacier?

[spring crag]

No avalanche shaman

[proven haven]

oh

[spring crag]

It has a sword that scales spell dmg with str

[proven haven]

actually didn't someone do some 30 second uber kill with avalanche or am I thinking of something else

[spring crag]

And can also equip spoom

Spoon

[harsh abyss]

Ladle + Vilatria SO is definitely pretty strong

[spring crag]

Nah 30 second killing uberrotj can only be bear

[proven haven]

yea that's the thing

only mage can do ladle + vilatria

staff is not class locked but it's kinda troll

[spring crag]

Might be the best option after lightning blast

So in term of dps sorcerer is worse than rm even in lightning blast?

[proven haven]

I don't think sorc has anything that competes with RM LB

well there is the forbidden focus tech

but that's a bug

[harsh abyss]

LB Just scales so well because of convergence

[spring crag]

Damn I decided to play hydra RM instead

[proven haven]

hydra might do comparable damage to LB tbh, I forget

[spring crag]

Not anymore online

[proven haven]

Strength / dex RM can actually do some stupid damage too if you fully build it

[spring crag]

The frost wall bug is fixed

[harsh abyss]

What's the bug?

[proven haven]

frost wall fix doesn't reduce your damage in theory, you can still do it manually

but in a drawn out fight you will lose damage yeah

[spring crag]

If you need the same hydra damage as LB you need to experiment in offline to balance ward, dodge, armor

I even went low life for that

[proven haven]

oh the reowyn tech yea

idk maybe

[proven haven]

The void gloves

[spring crag]

Yeah but it is realistically not possible online

Since it scales a lot with reowyn

[proven haven]

yea that's probably one of those builds that benefits from 4LPs and shit

[spring crag]

So you would like to have t7 suffixes

[proven haven]

yea exactly

[spring crag]

Which is impossible online

But I tried offline

Same kill time as a fully optimized LB

[proven haven]

And harder to make

[spring crag]

Impossible to make

[proven haven]

what kill time did you get for LB?

[spring crag]

Not just harder

Around 45-50 secs

I used offline

[proven haven]

eh that's probably not optimal

[spring crag]

So yeah

[proven haven]

I did 50s online with LB, far from optimal

[spring crag]

I used sorcerer so might be that's the reason

Damn if that's true then LB RM is even much stronger

Since it costs me like 50-54 sec to kill Uberroth with fully optimized hydra RM

Tbh if possible I would like to try fire sorc

But fire sorc is not strong compared to hydra RM

[proven haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyaT2d7ajU&t=3s here was ~50s kill I did 3 or so months ago, I am pretty sure people have done faster since

[spring crag]

Hmm, it seems that lb rm is just stronger than sorcerer. I cannot defeat uberroth with lb sorcerer in less than 45-50 secs no matter how the gear is. I think the problem is that sorcerer needs the arcane buff spell to reach the same damage as rm, which only works if you stand still (and it is better the longer you stand). But you can't do that in a fight against uberroth so most of the time I don't even have any buff. RM allows more mobility and is more defensive.

Now, for t pose mage, surprisingly using offline mod for experiment it takes only 57sec to 1 mins to defeat him while being much more tanky. Telfun mirage can significantly boost dodge while focus significantly boosts armor. Also idk how but as I have experimented, the set still gives better damage than the t8 belt. Maybe its scaling is different between average online and perfect offline gear?

It was interesting that while it takes 7 sec for a self cast lb sorcerer to kill a boss training dummy and 16 sec for a t pose sorcerer to do so, the difference is not much against a mobility fight like uberroth. And self cast is much more likely to die.

For a fire build, idk but it seems that volcanic orb sorcerer is much less stronger than hydra rm. Hopefully in the future they will buff fire sorcerer more.

[proven haven]

Did you use the nova nodes in sorc tree? Also the T8 belt is not better than set for self cast LB, you want T7 LB belt + set, with 2x Julra ring with T7 spell damage T7 int

Also t-pose dex stack can likely get more damage, if you do setup first you might be able to kill dummy in one rotation

I forget the exact number but someone in my discord got over 1B dummy damage out of a single invocation cast

[spring crag]

Huh I maybe stupid but where does the damage come from dex?

Also t8 belt I mean for t pose mage. Idk how but when I switched to t8 belt the killing time is increased from 16 to 20 sec for dummy.

[proven haven]

https://youtu.be/CXoyZAtCCjQ

boss at 7m, no bug used

mediocre gear

[spring crag]

Wait but that is a runic invocation rm build isnt it?

[proven haven]

yes

well no, brand of deception

it's a DoT build

applied by runic

[spring crag]

Ah ok. I was trying a sorcerer build instead. It seems that I used words that causes misunderstanding.

[proven haven]

do you mean tpose lb?

[spring crag]

Yes

[proven haven]

yea it won't do anywhere as much damage as self cast

I already knew that going in

[spring crag]

Me too

[proven haven]

it doesn't scale with cast speed so it's kinda limited

[spring crag]

Well the difference is not high if you don't use arcane transcendance buff in lb sorcerer self cast

[proven haven]

wait hold on

why aren't you using AA?

[spring crag]

What is AA?

[proven haven]

arcane ascend

[spring crag]

Mobility fight like uberroth cannot use it often

[proven haven]

you can

you start casting while you are in focus

[proven haven]

https://youtu.be/HPYIMj4adPk you can see the uber kill in this clip, I use AA most of the fight

incredible mobility

and this is online

[spring crag]

But does it scarifice a lot of damage if I get -2 skills by replacing nihillis?

[proven haven]

not really, indirect LB doesn't need as many points

a lot of the nodes only work for direct cast

[spring crag]

Wait, it seems there is misunderstanding again

[proven haven]

oh wait, T8 belt is mandatory for t-pose lb, T7 is optimal for self cast

[spring crag]

Let me recall what I said.

First, I said that I cannot use arcane ascend often for self cast LB

[proven haven]

oh yeah I missed that

you are right

[spring crag]

Because of mobility fight

So the damage between self cast and t pose LB is not high. They are almost the same in mobility fights.

[proven haven]

I believe self cast should be a lot higher

you could math it

[spring crag]

Maybe due to my skill issue but 50 sec and 1 min 4 sec in killing uberroth in maxed gear is not that much difference.

[proven haven]

I'd have to see the clip

it also depends on your setup

on paper the difference is pretty big, and from my test with similar gear

[spring crag]

Ah ok. Please wait for some secs. But please note that this is an offline mode with maxed gear.

[proven haven]

what is maxed in this case

[spring crag]

Affixes and unique rolls

[proven haven]

LP 7777?

[spring crag]

Yes :))))

[proven haven]

ah...

well

suffixes don't give damage for most of the items in these builds

only ladle iirc

[spring crag]

Ah ok, then please wait for some mins.

[proven haven]

it shouldn't be that hard to just calculate the actual DPS for both in a spreadsheet

all the values are known

[spring crag]

Or maybe I got skill issue. Anyway I will post the fights.

[proven haven]

include planners too please

you can import offline char file to maxroll or le tools iirc

[spring crag]

ah, right now I send video first, I will try to import later

[spring crag]

@proven haven This one is for self cast https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6PXqMye

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (58) / Spellblade (5) / Runemaster (30)

General:

▸ Health: 1,496, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 546.38, Regen: 22.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 430%, Regen: 305/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 22 Dex / 221 Int / 22 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 116% / 92% / 116% / 85% / 120% / 142% / 67%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 299
▸ Dodge Chance: 76% (5469)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,938)

Used skills:

Arcane Ascendance / Lightning Blast / Teleport / Frost Wall / Static

[proven haven]

You didn't really make many mistakes, I think this maybe could have been 10 seconds faster if done perfectly but that's about it.

A couple mana management timings not quite on, positioning not quite perfect for phase transition, damage loading not starting slightly before DR falls off to preload damage, but otherwise yeah.

a little bit of frailty time but not much, t-pose kill looked good

you weren't using julra ring for either

more dps

[spring crag]

This one is for t pose https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A6PXqMye

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (58) / Spellblade (5) / Runemaster (30)

General:

▸ Health: 1,496, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 546.38, Regen: 22.24/s
▸ Ward Retention: 430%, Regen: 305/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 22 Dex / 221 Int / 22 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 116% / 92% / 116% / 85% / 120% / 142% / 67%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 299
▸ Dodge Chance: 76% (5469)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,938)

Used skills:

Arcane Ascendance / Lightning Blast / Teleport / Frost Wall / Static

[proven haven]

Julra ring beats what you have, bit if not Opal base beats mana

Liath gloves is not optimal

weaver glove has more DPS

[spring crag]

Well, might be my skill issue. But it's hard to play self cast sorcerer using arcane ascend

[proven haven]

I am just trying to establish a comparison

having played both too

[spring crag]

t pose is slower about 15 sec with my current skills :)))

[proven haven]

I think boots could have frenzy effect if your goal is DPS

you also aren't crit capped

and you don't have idols equipped?

[spring crag]

well I have but I'm using mod to experiment right now so I don't think they saved it when imported

[proven haven]

You also don't have distant spark node in sorc tree

which is a pretty big reason to go sorc for this

[spring crag]

well idol is 4x this plus small idol with lightning damage and lightning pen

[proven haven]

-1 mortal capacitor +1 Halo effect in LB tree also gives more damage

[spring crag]

Hmm, for melee bosses like uberroth does it make difference since the boss will always rush you in melee

[proven haven]

2x 2x2 idols plus 4x 3x1 idols should give more damage

[spring crag]

and arcane ascend need you to stand still for damage

[proven haven]

this is unrelated to my point

it just gives LB more dps

[spring crag]

Ah, I mean the node needs you to hit distance enemies to trigger nove

[proven haven]

you want 4x 3x1 idols with 18% cast speed and 24% lightning damage too

[spring crag]

crit enemies with 4 meter away

[proven haven]

oh, yeah when you have that much cast speed its easy to kite at range

[spring crag]

but not sure in uberroth final phase. I will try.

[proven haven]

I don't think 4m is "that close"

you could test it on dummy

[spring crag]

Idk how do you define 4m in a screen?

anyways, @proven haven thanks a lot for your suggestion. I will experiment more.

[proven haven]

I guess your character is like 2m tall

so 2 characters

but you can just hit dummy closer and closer until it stops working

[spring crag]

hmm let's see I will go for the halo node and upload there

to check if things are better

[proven haven]

just fyi though you probably shouldn't be posting offline characters with 7777 gear and stuff in the discord though, it's generally discouraged

[spring crag]

yeah, I know.

[spring crag]

@proven haven btw, would like to point out that orian's descent belt without lightning damage prefix gives more dps than a t7 lightning damage exalted belt,

[proven haven]

Yeah of course. 20 int is 80% increased and a bunch of flat and cast speed. The T7 im talking about is the LB chain champ affix

[spring crag]

ah, i mean in LB self cast we can replace the increased lightning damage prefix with orian's descent belt.

btw anyone, when you equip velocyn's jaw, does the data of penetration is shown in character stats? Mine does not show.

[dapper flare]

more than likely an issue with stat sheet, but who knows

[spring crag]

But is it only me or this happens with everyone?

[dapper flare]

I can't test at the moment, but many things don't show in char sheet

[proven haven]

I don't understand why would you choose one or the other, you would have T7 lightning damage on your orian's descent

The choice is between Orian's with T7 lightning, or exalted with T7 lightning AND T7 LB chains

[south saffron]

woohoo

spellblade btw

[spring crag]

Sry, seems there is misunderstanding again. I mean that for self cast LB, orian's descent with T7 LB chains has more DPS than exalted with T7 LB chain and T7 lightning damage.

[proven haven]

that is not a valid item

you can't make it

[spring crag]

Oh wait.

I forgot

They are sealed affix

[rapid hinge]

😂

[gloomy vector]

not bad, flame reave spellblade

[spring crag]

The main question is: Can flame reave spellblade does uberroth?

[gloomy vector]

i'm trying, with this upgrade i believe it's possible, just far from the optimal build for that job of course; but other than that, very fast farmer and does the rest of the content well

[spring crag]

Hmm, why don't you use the primodial unique dagger?

[spring crag]

Yeah that is one thing it does better than shattering strike

[spring crag]

40 pen is huge dps

[spring crag]

shattering strike is kind of zhp version of mage but insane dps

[gloomy vector]

maybe i should try right? i believe i have a 1LP, replace it with the scissor of atropos? end up losing flat damage probably

[spring crag]

idk, has not tried the dagger with flame reave yet

[gloomy vector]

yes i played a build in the past, i wanted to play something different, that's why, how much DPS does shatter strike has on normal endgame not crazy gear?

right now with flame reave i have 10M dps, i'm wondering, should be possible to take down uberroth?

[spring crag]

idk, I have not tried flame reave against uberroth unfortunately

I wonder why flame reave has less dps than shattering strike to be honest

[gloomy vector]

but usually, is there a threshold of min DPS considered to be able to take down uberroth? I remember maxroll tierlist were associated to different ranges of million DPS, but don't remember how much each tier

[spring crag]

idk :)))

but their tier is almost accurate I admit that

[gloomy vector]

shatter strike has the benefit of scaling flat cold with dexterity, while flame reave is only % increase with int and dext

[spring crag]

and who was the "genius" that come up with this idea?

[gloomy vector]

guess game designers, they might have had their reasons

[spring crag]

they suck

whatever their reasons are, we can obviously see the aftermath of that decision now

this game has so many problems with class balancing

[gloomy vector]

i have a theory, they might have wanted to balance the benefit of flame reave being a melee "ranged" skill by not having as much DPS as a closer melee skill as shatter strike

[spring crag]

but the difference is way too much

say they can do like +1 melee attack per 2 or 4 dex

[strange needle]

Last epoch is not a balanced game it has never been and will never be ,they have proven that ,it took them like idk 2 years to fix falconer deleting everything in 2 seconds

Flame reave is a lot worse than shatter strike not only you get access to a ton more flat damage the bis shatter strike relic is so good

[spring crag]

and some fixes are very weird. Instead of making an S tier into an A tier, they fix it to be below C tier.

[spring crag]

Also, it's kind of sad that right now we don't have good fire builds with mage

[strange needle]

Or the bugs ,lightning net on rogue got bugfixed this season it was bugged since 1.0

[spring crag]

like no fire build can reach the damage of shattering strike and lightning blast

[strange needle]

Maybe can do something with blackhole but idk

[spring crag]

huh is black hole even viable?

[strange needle]

For me the best build of mage that had me pumped was static orb mana stacking ,that shit was legit awesome and seing it being from s to idk b or whatever nobody plays thay anymore its sad,erasing strike is still s tier even after nerf

[gloomy vector]

Flame reave is good man, you can run 1k corr with my current setup, maybe take down uby with practice

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bxv2RER6

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (23) / Spellblade (62) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,556, Regen: 42.9/s
▸ Mana: 299.51, Regen: 11.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 238%, Regen: 186/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 101 Dex / 94 Int / 16 Att / 28 Vit
▸ Resistances: 119% / 95% / 119% / 99% / 78% / 131% / 88%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 47%, Threshold: 345
▸ Dodge Chance: 17% (575)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,935)

Used skills:

Mana Strike / Flame Reave / Flame Ward / Teleport / Enchant Weapon

[spring crag]

hmm, maybe but I think it would take twice time a shattered strike.

or maybe 1.5 time

[spring crag]

nah, it must be at least 2 times

shattering strike damage is just insane

just tested with dummy

the damage of flame reave is much much worse than shattering strike

i guess that the bloody nib has insane damage scaling.

[gloomy vector]

how much DPS has shatter strike?

the flame reave build that i currently have is 10M DPS, tested in the dummy too

[stone rapids]

shatter strike can get 100m+ but on 1lps it’s like 40-50m if you wanna be reasonably tanky

[gloomy vector]

lol, I'm on 2 and 3 LPs and some multi-exalted, the real challenge

[spring crag]

Well I experimented with offline characters and maxed gears. Normally shattering strike has 7M DPS but it accelerated to 31M DPS when attacking dummy. Flame reave has 12M normally but it accelerated only to 16-19M if I remembered correctly.

[spring crag]

Huh, how did you reach 40-50M dps for shattering strike?

[gloomy vector]

i believe i can kill uberroth in current build, it needs a lot of practice but doable, i killed it with similar DPS in a Lightning Blast build that was not min-maxed and had similar damage, obviously the grind of the two builds differs quite a bit, LB geared well but not to the point i have geared flame reave's

[spring crag]

Mine has 31M when I checked it. Not sure if it is the peak damage.

[stone rapids]

31m dps sounds pretty terrible for shatter strike tbh especially with 4t7s, you can get more than that with 1lps

[spring crag]

wait let me check again

I was testing against normal dummy

[gloomy vector]

here's the LB kill
https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1n3g3vm/4_uber_kill_lightning_blast_runemaster/

[spring crag]

the damage might increase against boss dummy

[spring crag]

Wait, how many second did it cost for you to kill the boss dummy?

Mine takes 8 sec with experimented offline gear

And when I checked the DPS in the game it never exceeded 31M

[stone rapids]

idk it's been a while since i tested but 8 seconds to kill boss dummy is way over 31m lol

dummy has 1 billion hp and 100k regen/sec

[spring crag]

Huh something is wrong with the data in the game

How did you measure your DPS?

[gloomy vector]

yeah, 8" boss dummy is 125M DPS lol, uberroth a piece of cake with that

[stone rapids]

you divide 1 billion by time to kill in seconds and then add the regen

[gloomy vector]

boss dummy has 1 billion HP, so divide that by the time it took you to beat it

[spring crag]

Flame Reave takes about 20s

[gloomy vector]

very good as well, but you maxed all gear in a way that might not be realistic for an online build i understand right?

[spring crag]

Yes

I don't have time for farming online. Just play for fun

No thinking of leaderboard stuff.

[stone rapids]

lol

[gloomy vector]

sure, not judging anyone, was just being mindful that this might not be realistic to achieve for someone playing in online

[spring crag]

I'm aware of that.

But in online, shattering strike is still very strong.

There is a build right now that I have mixed feeling

Hydra RM

The build is insanely strong offline.

[gloomy vector]

it is yes, that's why it is tier A and flame reave is not even listed

[spring crag]

But not very strong online.

Especially after the frost wall bug has been fixed.

[gloomy vector]

not sure about that one, but i heard there might be bugs affecting differently offline / online, maybe the build hits one of these intereactions or cases, just a thought withouth knowing honestly

[spring crag]

No, the bug affects online, but the dev fixed it recently.

Hydra RM has a staff that gives 1 spell damage per 10 min(ward, armor, dodge).

So if you balance these values then the damage is insane.

So yeah, RM hydra will benefit from LP 4 items

[spring crag]

Nah, I believe shattering strike is tier S.

[gloomy vector]

endgame & corruption A tier

[spring crag]

They had A tier in bossing too.

For endgame corruption I think they are B tier unfortunately.

Because they are almost ZHP

[gloomy vector]

well, i just checked and as i told you above is classified as A

but i understand everyone has their own opinions too, it's fine

[spring crag]

I mean my opinion

[gloomy vector]

in my opinion flame reave is at least A tier speed farming at least xD not sure if everyone would agree though

[spring crag]

Might agree with that.

Bear BM and Mana Flay Lich should be S+ tier for bossing.

Don't know why Shield Bash Forge Guard got A tier bossing.

Its DPS is not high.

[gloomy vector]

i believe it has a stun mechanic if i'm not wrong, making bosses irrelevant

bear and some S tier builds make bosses irrelevant too, like no need to engage with the fight, just kill fast and that's it

[spring crag]

The top 3 bossers are Bear BM, Mana Flay Lich, Abomination Necro, in that order.

Btw, isn't there any good fire sorcerer build?

I want to switch to lightning blast RM but I want that among the three mage classes, there is exactly one cold, one lightning and one fire focused.

[gloomy vector]

Go for it, very fun and powerful to play

[spring crag]

Yes but I need to find a fire build for sorcerer.

[gloomy vector]

Not sure, i don't see any in tier lists, maybe there's something somewhere else

[spring crag]

I saw a volcanic orb sorcerer but it needs 2 mins + to defeat uber aberroth

with not optimized gear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ayuNRc1x0&t=39s

[gloomy vector]

that doesn't sound but at all!

looks powerful, never seen that build, fireball + volcanic orb + meteor

[spring crag]

main damage is volcanic orb.

Meteor is for craterborn buff+ mana after casting teleport

fireball is due to the +20 mana affix

[spring crag]

I think the build might be a bit stronger than flame reave

[gloomy vector]

is the guy in the video geared like in the planner? i hope so

[spring crag]

Maybe

[spring crag]

Just want to ask: Now I agree that lightning work bests for runemaster. How about frost claw and glacier? Why sorcerer in these skills?

[harsh abyss]

RM is considered best in general because Reowyn's Frostguard is a very strong invocation for defense. And lightning is very strong right now because of the Vilatria + Legends Entwined + Ladle tech

LB is especially strong because of the Spark Charge bonuses, especially with Halo Effect being fixed finally. Its just much more sustainable than FC because to get FC to have all the hits it ends up costing a lot of mana.

[spring crag]

Wow, so even for frost claw and glacier, runemaster is still better?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah. Int stacking is very strong right now and RM just does it better.

[spring crag]

so meteor is the only thing that sorcerer is better than RM?

because you can't play meteor with RM :)))

[harsh abyss]

That or other off meta builds. Sorcerer isnt BAD its just not as good as RM

[spring crag]

For me, I think sorcerer might be better with frost claw and glacier because these skills cost a lot mana

and sorcerer has more damage with heavy mana skills

if frost claw costs more than 80 mana then I think sorcerer is better

[harsh abyss]

I dont think it gets that high. People were pushing it to 40 a couple seasons ago to make every hit apply a spark charge and it was suuuuuuuuper OP

If you're going to mana stack, static orb is the way, since it gets directly benefits from more mana

[spring crag]

Unfortunately static orb quickly runs out of mana

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, but you can easily get to a point where you can do most things without any problems

[spring crag]

even uberroth?

[proven haven]

Only OP because the strongest enemy in the game was Aberroth to be fair. AoE was S tier but it only did a tiny fraction of current LB single target, it wouldn't be S tier in the current game imo.

[harsh abyss]

Idk about static orb for uberroth, but you can probably do it. I've never actually done uberroth, but thats mostly because I'm super lazy.

[proven haven]

https://www.youtube.com/live/00SXDBTB2ec?si=zf0ougbbyYzLidVI&t=14188 here was the HC kill with that FC build, normal Abberoth (before Uber existed)

Static Orb would probably be OP with the current gear we have available though

it's already easily Uber viable in current state

[proven haven]

Maybe not, with a lot of cast speed Runebolt recovers stupid amounts of mana for RM.
Sorc can recover a lot of mana but only really if it stacks mana, which comes at the cost of damage for skills that don't scale off mana directly like Frost Claw.

[harsh abyss]

I was meaning to make a mana stacking SO build, but never got around to it.

[proven haven]

It's good, but you can also just do a bit of mana and Vilatria + Ladle

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

[proven haven]

seemed better 🤷‍♂️

[harsh abyss]

I mean you'd definitely do vilatria + ladle

Just also mana stack as much as possible on top of that.

[strange needle]

The mana stacking of static orb was amazing it double dipped so it felt very strong and good now with nerf we will never know the true potential of it ,could have been better than lightning blast maybe ,but too late for that.

There is a staff that makes skill cost higher mana so with the new vilatria tech plus access to 2-3 t7 i would had potential

We had access to very little flat compared to now

[dapper flare]

I miss og static orb

the yo-yo version was fun and it got unintentionally nerfed with orbiting when it wasn't even as good

[proven haven]

I played with this, its not better than just getting 48% more damage while getting more casts before depleting mana and getting them out quicker

[harsh abyss]

Yeah the cast speed from ladle is huge

Even with mediocre int stacking (prioritizing mana) you're probably gonna be around the 70-90 int

[strange needle]

Maybe one day we get a good staff for mages

[weary hornet]

Vilatria's is a great starter. Big fan of the reforged set too

[spring crag]

I mean that sorc's passive that allow it to deal more 1% more damage per mana cost

And you can easily have 100 mana cost with frost volcanic orb and usr glacier to restore mana.

And also the dex stacking with mourningfrost is also possible there I think.

For SO unfortunately I run out of mana very quick and the damage is not better than frost fire volcanic orb.

[proven haven]

Capped at 50% more at 100 mana, RM also has 20% more damage for free at the end of the tree, most spells won't be spammable at 100+ mana cost.

Also SO is mana dump / recharge playstyle

dump mana, then refill with focus or whatever in a few seconds

[spring crag]

Hmm imagine running out of mana in uberroth's last phase.

[proven haven]

its literally not a big deal, you just hit focus, boom full mana

I ran with mana guide

can move while charging

[spring crag]

Hmm can focus restore mana quickly?

Because in that phase you either must have great dps to kill him quickly or very tanky. Just moving is not sufficient.

[proven haven]

You dump mana, focus for 3 or 4 seconds, then dump mana again, uber is dead

[spring crag]

Oh I see

And its damage is better than volcanic orb (both fire and ice)?

[proven haven]

pretty sure

[spring crag]

Hmm thanks. How much mana do you stack?

More than 2k?

[proven haven]

I did like 1500 to 1800 iirc

more is better but this wasn't multi T7 pieces

[spring crag]

Ah, also do you go for static while using SO?

To auto cast LB and deal more damage?

[spring crag]

Hmm, maybe I will test again but volcanic orb's damage becomes insanely strong if you stand right next to aberroth

[proven haven]

it's negligible damage for SO

[proven haven]

Yea you get a lot more hits, you also want reduced volcanic orb speed

stays inside boss hitbox for long time, many hits

[spring crag]

Like in the last phase, I stand next to him and hit him with volcanic orb and his health is reduced very quickly (just a little slower than LB)

[proven haven]

yep VO can do a lot of damage but the targeting generally means you have worse damage uptime

since it sucks if boss is small, or moving, or moves away, etc.

LB you just click in the direction and always do full damage

[spring crag]

Agree with that

Also don't know how you think but I found that 2000 corruption shade of orobyss is much harder than uberroth.

[proven haven]

yep. Shade has a different difficulty scaling than other stuff

though Uberroth doesn't scale

[spring crag]

Like, shade can 1 shot you with any attack at 2000 corruption, and it's much harder to dodge, like its lightning beam attack

At least uberroth can't with some attacks

Don't know how people even managed to fight to like 5k corruption

[proven haven]

Well you either oneshot it, or you dodge the attacks

A lot of people just cheese corruption push with the Confluence thing

not actually fight the hard shades

[spring crag]

How do you even one shot shade at 2k+ corruption?

Even abomination necro goes full glass canon can't do that

[proven haven]

Some rogue shenanigans

[spring crag]

Detonating arrow?

I saw some guys doing like 40k+ corruption with ballista

That is understandable due to its zhp nature

But I can't see how other classes can do that

[strange needle]

Nah you get astral chest as rogue and your ehp with all thr stuff rogue gets access to goes to the roof then you need a build with bonkers scaling and dont be afraid to die,acid flask ,ballista ,explosive trap with them is strong enough to get rid of shades easily

[strange needle]

Any class can do huge amounts of corruption,its just that dodge is broken mechanic ,also people at 40k corruption are doing confluence echo maybe once they do normal shade but that is rare.

[proven haven]

I've heard some mixed opinions on that, it seems like this might be an issue with the shade gauntlet echo for boosting corruption

bypassing the normal shade difficulty

[stable holly]

With damage

[ionic mirage]

Yeah his hp scaling breaks somewhere around 15-20k corruption. It hard resets to like a 2-3k echo of a world shade then his hp scales very poorly. I think a single shade from the confluence echo at 30k has more hp than a 30k echo of a world shade

This is coming from experience. I pushed from 8k to 30k using confluence with warpath voidknight. But i did stop at 10k to record a kill of echo of a world shade. His hp was scaling properly but since that kill i never touched another echo of a world shade until 30k when i decided i’m going to record a 30k echo of a world shade kill and i realized his hp was absolutely broken and wasnt scaling properly. Felt like a 2-3k corruption shade lol

[proven haven]

That sounds like an int overflow of the HP value

[harsh abyss]

Yeah I dont think they intend for you to get that high, lol

[ionic mirage]

lol yeah

[spring crag]

Nah, that is something even my offline abomination cannot do at 3k+ (and I even equip a hollow finger for +1 skeletons to increase its damage).

[stable holly]

The damage it can get from skeletons is hard capped at 20 right? So not really sure Hollowfinger is doing anything for you.

I’ve no idea if it’s possible or not though.

[spring crag]

8 skeletons+3 mages+1 golem+6 wraith.

according to math, the number is less than 20

unless I am stupid and need to study grade 1 again.

[stable holly]

You don’t need to get + maximum skeletons to hit the cap though. You can just use resummoned skeletons from passives or that set shield.

[spring crag]

I don't like snapshotting

[stable holly]

That’s not snapshotting

That’s using an in game mechanic as intended

Resurrecting skeletons is a normal thing they do from passives

[spring crag]

huh, what does using set shield mean? Do I have to change equipment?

[stable holly]

You don’t need the shield, just passives alone is fine

[spring crag]

Hmm, I had the resummoned skeleton in its skill tree

[stable holly]

The shield is just to make it a bit more consistent but is not at all needed as it’s fairly consistent as it is

But as you consume skeletons more will reanimate and get consumed as well. So long as you don’t stop channelling they will count towards the cap.

[spring crag]

oh damn, I forgot that there is a node that increase the number of skeletons in the necro passive

[spring crag]

but anyway, my point is that even my offline abomination with maxed gear (killing uberroth in like 32 to 36 sec) still find risky against a shade with 3k+ corruption since it can one shot me with any attack, and my abomination sill cannot handle it quickly before that.

[stable holly]

Yeah it will definitely reach that point at some point

[spring crag]

For necro, I love both abomination and infernal shade

both are strong and deal insane damage

and infenal shade is fire element, which I like even more

[past obsidian]

Hi running with the self-cast LB RM, what rolls are important on the unstable core?

[spring crag]

Okay, so I believe that there is some builds that might push high corruption using dodge or one shot. But there are also other builds like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXfmLqnkr8I&t=4s or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qJRrutSkDg&t=341s which I do not believe to be the dodgy or one shot type. How did they pushed to high corruption like that if their method is to defeat the shades? I am curious about this.

[bronze lion]

hi, I am new to mage. What does LB and RM mean

[nimble shoal]

Lightning blast and runemaster

[bronze lion]

ahh, dude. I was playing that until last night. I respced out of spite because I lost the lightning bast on my helm and I was mad about it.

[bronze lion]

Intelligence

for slaming

and you want mana and elemental damge to be as high as possibel

[harsh abyss]

T7 intelligence is definitely going to be your best slam on every piece that can get it for a LB build

[proven haven]

Flat mana roll needs to be high enough to get you to 300, ideally at least 80. % increased mana implicit also matters.

Then the elemental damage roll. A min vs max roll there is almost 10% total damage difference to the finished build, I'd aim for at least 100.

Then for slams INT #1, for 2LP spell crit is generally a good safe choice. (Lightning crit multi is a good option if using flat crit gloves and uber relic). If you do plan to get spell crit on your unstable core you shouldn't have it anywhere else as finished build will reach 100% crit with just T7 spell crit on body, plus the 3% spell crit per int from sorcerer
tree.

[south saffron]

doing this on a spellblade is like entering another dimension

[harsh abyss]

Is it the dimension of "if I get touched, I'll die"?

[south saffron]

many 1 hitters here

gotta have to avoid them

[spring crag]

If you go to this point I think you can just do mourningfrost and giga dodge stacking.

ZHP shattering strike

Ward, HP everything is meaningless, just stack dodge and go for mourningfrost

[south saffron]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Big_Mike69/character/SpellMike this is my character right now

I would have to switch a ton of gear because i have a lot of HP

is mapping comfortable on a ZHP shattering strike?

[spring crag]

No but that corruption is equivalent to ZHP isn't it?

Unlike ballista falconer, your spellblade need to facetank because it's a melee build

so ZHP is much harder to build for spellblade

But if you reach that corruption then just do ZHP because everything will one shot you regardless

[south saffron]

im not getting 1 shot by everything but its still happening

im able to complete maps still

[spring crag]

Hmm

that was surprising

I tried spellblade offline with max gears and dies a lot at 2k corruption