🧙┃mage

[autumn sundial]

ladder is full of sentinel builds

I need mage or rogue builds

[nimble shoal]

That's just because sent is OP still

I've run a mage void build with the dark shroud, the fire auras don't do good damage. With the buffs coming next season, they might, but non-void will pretty much for sure just be better simply because of all the flat per int it'll get.

[autumn sundial]

it will be good damage with high int builds

11 per point

1100 x 400 = 440000 by just 100 int

I think they will decrease spell dmg

man

I want to destroy everything around of character like how reflect shaman is doing

it is so satisfying

and good dopamine

[nimble shoal]

It only gets 1 flat per int

[autumn sundial]

@nimble shoal where's spell dmg added then

[nimble shoal]

The character has 11 int, so it's showing the total attribute bonus with the per-point bonuses in ( )

[autumn sundial]

oh now makes sense xD

[nimble shoal]

Most skills only get 4% per point, so getting 4% and +1 per point is pretty strong, but also fire aura is very lacking in other scaling methods - biggest one it'll have is the new 1% per 1% overcap

[autumn sundial]

fire res has good ratio on mods

t7s giving 90%

and I haven't checked but most of gears can get fire resistance

long story short, it looks big dmg xD

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, pretty much everything except weapons can get resists

and you can convert fire aura to either cold or lightning if you want to scale cold or lightning res instead

[autumn sundial]

some items have fire resistance by itself

nice

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, there are some benefits to staying fire, though there are some benefits to others, like lightning lets you use Vilatria's set for a bit more flat lightning per int

[autumn sundial]

hyped a little bit

I hope they add something on rogue too

I want to play it but there is no simple build for me lol

[harsh abyss]

I feel like they might be hyperfocusing a bit too much, like maybe try to make sure there are some meaningful changes to each class each season, even if they aren't complete overhauls. Like identify a couple things that are weak and buff them up a bit.

[proven haven]

The problem is opportunity cost. The fire resist scaling is great but you need to decide what and how much is worth giving up for it. Eg. Dragon boots have no intelligence. Rahyeh means no catalyst. etc.

Increased damage is also pretty low value because int stacking already provides a lot and ele dot builds have access to the powerful ele dot affix.

I'm excited to see a fire aura build but I think we need more than what we've seen for it to be top tier, perhaps it has a place as a trashcleaner to be used with a single target skill, but needs a lot of AoE for that to feel good

[harsh abyss]

You could combo it with Black Hole, use the auras to clear while you run around, use BH on big enemies.

Both fire DoT, Resistance stacking things

Maybe build teleport + ele nova for ignite for additional clearing of the whole screen

You'd be Sorc, so the 15% More from Searing Flames, you could use meteor for craterborn

[radiant vessel]

Fyi this doesn't count as fire resistance

[autumn sundial]

I hope they don't just focus on fire aura, more builds = more things to explore

[autumn sundial]

👀 why this looks familiar

[tribal veldt]

I liked cold the most, good amount of freeze chance helps with QoL, though now that damage numbers will be more respectable that won't be as necessary so I probably go lightning path

[tribal veldt]

much agreed, and for what it's worth none of the items pictured above feel like a great fit for fire aura at all 😆

It's gonna be a balancing act to find a feel for how much resistance is "right", whether we're combo-ing with other resistance scaling uniques or not. But at least 150-200% should be very managable

I like the idea of Urzil's pride, with enough mana regen you could kind of reach a critical mass where otherwise way too spendy gameplay patterns are on the table

[autumn sundial]

I was waiting for you @tribal veldt

its time to shine baby (literally)

[tribal veldt]

just biding my time

opening the eterra monthly once every few hours just dreamily staring at the buffs

[autumn sundial]

aura farming with mage

man I am so excited

I want to melt every mob with fire aura

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I have a feeling that fire aura + black hole might be the way

[autumn sundial]

how stacking +20 fire aura feels

[harsh abyss]

They synergy of using stacking up fire res for More damage with auras and also the ignite chance from BH seems pretty good. Then as a sorc, you can spec Meteor for Craterborn and just drop one on big groups/enemies to trigger craterborn and apply Spreading Flames

[harsh abyss]

You won't get up to like 20 stacks unless there are other ways to get auras that get added, but when you're stacking like 400%+ fire resist, it should still be reasonably strong

[proven haven]

Could black hole kill Uberroth? I forget how far it was pushed

[autumn sundial]

I found this video https://youtu.be/CRS_37nckHI?si=Jn6KHsFCJRkNJcbY

[tribal veldt]

I've gotten to 90 and am pretty sure I could get to 100+

sadly it involves being a runemaster so no black hole shenanigans :(

[proven haven]

Thats regular Aberroth, iirc Dr3ad already dug into blackhole but don't remember how far it went with dps

I think it was decent

[whole jackal]

Actually I was curious to try dr3ads black hole build with wildfire embers before season 3 released. Then I saw triksters video on wildfire embers and forgot about that....

[tribal veldt]

I hope they un-tangle the mess that is that item sooner rather than later :/

You know it's dire when they have to repeatedly confirm that "no, these aren't bugs with the item, we made it intentionally awful"

[proven haven]

The DoT situation with mage is a little weird

We have a few almost good options but nothing crazy iirc

[whole jackal]

I tried something with double fire glyph of dominion once

damage was actually not too bad

but it was too clunky to play

most likely frost claw / nova is still the best

[proven haven]

The problem is that there were a lot of good AOE mage builds that just barely made it by on 1.1 DPS

For single target

Then 1.2 comes and single target requirements go way up

[proven haven]

Eh? I'm skeptical

[whole jackal]

I didn't dive too deep into the mage archetype, which would you consider for that spot?

[proven haven]

I think the best DoT mage is probably still strength or dex mage

[whole jackal]

I remember the frostbite RM meta in 1.0

[proven haven]

Yeah I'm not sure how well it's kept up. I think there's a potential build there maybe with some of the new stuff and shred stack with frostbite convert

But it was pretty far off being top tier

[whole jackal]

when I played the situation was mostly: Does it include spark charge scaling from fragment of enigma or not?

probably still not much has changed

it felt hard to build a really good build without fragment of enigma

[proven haven]

Consider the old FC nova with enigma build only applied like maybe 10 or so regular damage spark charges per second

It was fine for regular Aberroth but still a multi minute fight

Wait that was before Abby

It was even weaker

1.1 FC spark charge applied a lot and even that was a multi minute fight without Static Orb

I also personally don't consider a build viable that can't kill Uberroth but that's just me

[whole jackal]

same for me

I assume with more powercreep and no changes to uberroth more builds will be viable in the future

right now it's still a realy tough fight

[proven haven]

A lot of the things that were "OP" in 1.1 because they had great clear speed and enough damage for normal Abby got nerfed but a build could have 1 or 2M dps back then and still fit into S tier

Ubby kinda similar.

Our knowledge of imprints has also made 77 gear fairly realistic

[whole jackal]

yeah true a lot of past nerfs to builds, are considerably unjustified by current standards

[proven haven]

(Like 1.1 Frost Claw)

[whole jackal]

exactly

[proven haven]

It would have been a 7 minute Uberroth or something going into 1.2

Probably more actually

[whole jackal]

iirc they also nerfed the frostbite ailment itself in damage

they could probably just reverse those changes

[radiant vessel]

@elder tusk https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZlRLL2A

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Spellblade (81) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,819, Regen: 30.68/s
▸ Mana: 220.44, Regen: 13.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 119%, Regen: 91/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 143 Dex / 27 Int / 6 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 78% / 62% / 78% / 51% / 60% / 110% / 60%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 364
▸ Dodge Chance: 65% (3036)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (3,065)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 96%

Used skills:

None

[radiant vessel]

Should look something like this

[elder tusk]

Thanks dude you the best

[radiant vessel]

If you wanna replicate it 1:1 you will need better than average rolls for things like the resistances since as you can see they don't cap out at average

[elder tusk]

I’ve got a T7 attack speed T7 melee crit eye of reen already, no flat damage though

[radiant vessel]

but just getting a perfect all res blessing and stuff will get you most of the way there

It's also possible to get enough resists to not need the cold res blessing, you can instead go increased armour which is quite strong

[elder tusk]

Yeah and red ring helps I finally found my first and it has 1LP

[radiant vessel]

yep

but yeah as you can see it reaches over 60% dodge and around 50% armour mitigation (especially if you take the armour flame ward node) so you can tank a hit or two even at 2k corruption

Especially because of the 32% DR on wings of discord vs the first hit

There's a few points in the passives you can swap around as you see fit like the elemental affinty node in spellblade and arcane warden, you can put them i stuff like crit or more resistances to help cap you out while you're gearing up

[elder tusk]

Ok makes sense

[radiant vessel]

arcane warden is actually pretty damn bad honestly ,I don't use it anymore, I just put the points in something like awe strike or some other stat stick node

You spec it when you don't go wings of discord for prodigy crit scaling

but we don't need that

Feel free to ask me questions about it if you decide to make one and get stuck on something

[elder tusk]

I will for sure thanks dude!

That weaver sword is so hard to get perfect rolled

[radiant vessel]

Yeah for sure, until you get a decent one just use a crystal sword tbh

[elder tusk]

I don’t think I’ve got a single double T7 good prefix yet

And then my best rolled ones always have +1 to melee skills lol

[radiant vessel]

Just T7 attack speed is important, the flat can be less

but yeah

If you don't have T7 attack speed plus another decent mod and +2 just use a crystal sword or something

Naal's tooth also works

[elder tusk]

Ahh I didn’t think about Naal, same situation though every 2LP has 1 melee skill and only my 1LP get 2 haha that’s RNG for ya

[radiant vessel]

Yeah it do be like that

[elder tusk]

@radiant vessel you take down Mr. Uberroth with your shatter strike build?

[radiant vessel]

yea

[elder tusk]

Giga!

I need a shattered belt with cleanse!

[radiant vessel]

It was not easy though lol

[elder tusk]

But I don’t want to lose my T7 health roll

I’m sure it wasn’t im chunking away at him with my rive build I have the damage it’s just a skill issue at the moment

[full bluff]

Trying to make a Focus build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmOwDMhewBE, got the damage working but need ideas for sustain

Maybe switch to rune master?

[elder tusk]

@radiant vessel

This or a double T7 crystal sword?

Oooh what about a really good double T7 crystal sword with whetstone gavel? That only gives +1 to cold skills and it’s a mace but it doubles the stats on an exalted. Although you lose wings of discord….

[radiant vessel]

yeah nah

and a good crystal sword is better than that scissor

[elder tusk]

🙁

My theorycrafting never works lol

[radiant vessel]

attack speed is the most important stat by quite a bit

[elder tusk]

If you had T7 attack speed on exalt and T7 on gavel you’d have over 150%

[radiant vessel]

Yeah that'd be kinda nice

[elder tusk]

Bc it would double the exalts attack speed actually on a crystal sword the implicit would double too

So you could have like 175% attack speed jsut on weapons!

[radiant vessel]

But alas you want the plus to skills later on anyway

[elder tusk]

Yeah

[radiant vessel]

basically the gavel thing would still be an intermediate thing, but it needs too much investment

so you're better off just not doing it usually

[elder tusk]

And eye of reen is too good

I gotcha

Maybe if I had a 2LP gavel with attack speed and flat cold or something

[radiant vessel]

and a really good crystal sword

then yeah sure

[elder tusk]

But 2Lp primordials are impossible I haven’t got a single one yet

I’m just sitting here wasting my life rolling prophecies for rune X 22 over and over and over

[stone rapids]

the 3 drop only prims are not bad to get with 2lp considering they drop like candy from rampant coast

[elder tusk]

Jsut makes me feel bad since I haven’t found 1 yet 🙁

I ran 42 rampant coast in a row bc I had so many, I got LOTS of bones, but not many primordials

[proven haven]

you have no planner

I don't think RM is better than sorc for this though

Found this from some old testing I did vs Uber with focus, that was with a certain bug giving 2.5x more damage than it should have. With no 77 gear or anything crazy. Would be about 2.5M uber hits without that bug.

this was the gear, can't find planner (also from 1.2 so no primordials or t8)

[whole jackal]

That build was focused on energy overflow?

If so I do wonder why you chose the ladle here, only because of the armour shred? Bone wisp might be interesting here.

[proven haven]

Yes

[proven haven]

This was 1.2, no bone wisp, but also why bone wisp? Is not competing with 48% more damage. Also wrongwarp swap for insane clear speed

[whole jackal]

Will piece that together and test a bit later

So which t8/primordial would you use in this build then?

[proven haven]

Honestly idk I'd have to put more thought in. I was thinking the mana gained per hit thing might keep you topped up but its a helm so you lose crown. The issue with this setup is that you lose like 70% of your damage when not full mana. It still destroys trash when not full but Uberroth you would need to stay full, which is a challenge

Having that much mana and not using it for defense feels kinda lame

A lot of the sorc generates are direct cast only too

but yeah this setup destroyed uber with that bug, I think it should still kill Uber without the bug

I feel like there is a decent solve out there somewhere, but you need to stay full mana to do any single target damage 🤔
Could give up some mana for "something else", maybe more multi, int, etc. and go ward hybrid for buffer

[full bluff]

I am trying Reliq Nest for the boost to mana % from idols for Focus build

Manage to stay at maxed mana most of the time

[proven haven]

yea that looked good too

[full bluff]

Abusing 2 bugs at the moment tho

[proven haven]

So the mana regen thing gives you more per point of missing mana, so what you could do is deplete your mana before fight

then just never stop channeling

if you have a big enough pool its a lot of EHP per second

just face tank it all

with 20% overcharge and 80% DR on mana you might be able to tank some hits without losing cap mana

it would be equivalent to something like 2k+ ward per second

[proven haven]

was your clip with the glove bug or no?

[full bluff]

no

[proven haven]

Is Spirit Xylem possible?

6 mana per attune, and 20% more damage

[full bluff]

I am trying all kind of variants now, too many weird bugs or stuff I don't quite get here 🙂

[proven haven]

what bugs other than gloves?

[full bluff]

Some things are doing way more damage than they should, and others less

Channeled Focus can snapshot and double dip effects

[proven haven]

Oh that, yea

[full bluff]

and there is something going on with how spell damage is added

[proven haven]

I don't really consider that as a viable option unless you want to use it to cheese uber or something

Otherwise it's such an awful experience to play

[full bluff]

Snapshotting Never Late solved crit pretty easily

[proven haven]

Added spell? I didn't play with that much

I don't know if thats even a bug

[full bluff]

Been like that for ever, so hard to define it

[proven haven]

Never late used to work on multiple spell casts but focus channel is 1 cast

Same with the vaion boots

I mean for focus, not the bug

[full bluff]

On the other hand Transient Rest don't work with movement from channeled focus, so guess it balances out 🙂

[proven haven]

What are you trying to use

The ward gain?

[full bluff]

Was seeing if I could gain ward from stopping by teleporting, but didn't work. Was testing this for Meteor build too, to gain ward when I stop channel to cast meteor

Have to do a "hard" stop, by clicking something

So gets really anoying to play

[proven haven]

I was almost certain tp did proc it

Is it because the channel before doesnt count as move?

[full bluff]

I think it is because casting a spell doesn't count as stopping

It works if you actually stop by letting go of channel

I have teleport on sec cooldown so would have been great if it counted

[proven haven]

If you are just walking then hit tp, it does proc, no?

[full bluff]

yes that works

[proven haven]

Yeah so you need to move for at least 2s or whatever to stop moving

I think the problem is the game doesn't register you as moving for 2s

[full bluff]

Channel, then let go, move for 0.1 second and it works

[proven haven]

Eh

What why

[full bluff]

The effect has 2 sec cooldown, so doesnt require you to move for 2 seconds, just requires a stop

and stop seems to be related to actually moving, then stopping

(hard to explain)

[proven haven]

Ohh

[full bluff]

So you can stand still, move for 0.1 sec

and it works

[proven haven]

Channel move > stop is not same as walk move > stop

[full bluff]

Thats my theory on it

I tried channel move with focus, then burst meteors every seconds with arcane asc, and hoping to get transient ward.. but no 🙂

Too anoying to do actually move to us it like that

[proven haven]

Does LE even have a hotkey to stop moving?

[full bluff]

No

I was looking for good old stop key from diablo 2 days

[proven haven]

WASD kinda works but

Channel movement skill with wasd doesnt seem to work well

[full bluff]

Now I am testing focus on runemaster for ward gain, trying invocation as traversal for CFC and snap shot never late

Every 7 seconds to keep it going

[proven haven]

CFC needs int though

[full bluff]

180 int and 1900 mana now

not optimized gear yet

[proven haven]

Ah okay

[full bluff]

Need the int for vilatria spell dmg

[proven haven]

Why is that useful?

[full bluff]

which shouldnt work that well, .. but it does

[proven haven]

I got bigger hits with low int and more mana vs your clips, are you sure it's the vilatria doing it?

[full bluff]

no

But put on mad ladle and in theory that should have been better, but it wasn't

[proven haven]

Try naked with just staff giving flat vs no wep

Isolate the flat

[full bluff]

Switching between vilatria and no vilatria with the prim ring at 160 int....

62% more damage with vilatria, 80 spell dmg

[proven haven]

With helm?

[full bluff]

no

Took helm off

[proven haven]

Idk you have a lot of variables here

Need to isolate flat damage

[full bluff]

I gave up on figuring it out last night, just to comparison tests now, without really understanding it

[proven haven]

Figuring out is how you optimize 😉

[full bluff]

My last theory was that there is a added damage bonus somewhere

[proven haven]

Even if it added damage it should be negligible

Focus has a lot of flat built in

[full bluff]

Yes, with 800 flat from focus/mana, another 80 shouldnt be 60%

[proven haven]

And also

Ladle + vilatria helm should be better

You using the set staff directly?

Or reforge

[full bluff]

I thought so too, but the staff was better when I tried

2x7 staff

2x7 ladle

Most of gear is equivalent in power

This is where I got confused 🙂

[proven haven]

Idk send planner and I'll look

Now I'm curious

[full bluff]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2aL1gLo

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (28) / Spellblade (8) / Runemaster (56)

General:

▸ Health: 2,520, Regen: 27.4/s
▸ Mana: 1,768.74, Regen: 30/s
▸ Ward Retention: 400%, Regen: 206/s
▸ Attributes: 35 Str / 21 Dex / 180 Int / 13 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 91% / 67% / 121% / 112% / 67% / 80% / 80%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 580
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (210)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 40% (2,234)

Used skills:

Focus / Teleport / Flame Ward / Runic Invocation / Snap Freeze

[full bluff]

Will figure it out, just need to pin point where it goes wrong

there is something I am missing

[proven haven]

Maybe ill build a focus POB spreadsheet or something

[full bluff]

My goal was a build where I channel Focus and teleport around and just kill stuff. Reached that, then I got into this figuring it out stuff

[proven haven]

Yea that's why I'm saying to take other gear off and look at one piece at a time

If flat is doing something a staff with no affixes should give a naked character noticeable damage increase on focus

I remember having a similar confusion with the gloves

200 void shouldn't do anything but my guess was that the void pen was also giving lightning pen

Since about 3x damage which adds up to the math

[full bluff]

600 mana, no gear on, just idols, 25, dmg with staff, 6k dmg without, Staff has 96 spell

[proven haven]

25k?

[full bluff]

yes

If Focus has 60% of mana as flat... this doesnt add up?

[proven haven]

60% times 2.5 wasnt it?

[full bluff]

Going out for dinner, wil have to look at it later

[whole jackal]

This discussion reminds me of my elden ring days, where I spent 100s hrs punching the same monster to figure out things.
On the other hand elden ring is much less complicated than last epoch. Spirit xylem is also an interesting idea in that case

[full bluff]

This is where my Focus build is at now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aarLH1rzywk

Relaxing to play 🙂

Just wish it moved faster

[whole jackal]

Yeah my first thought

[full bluff]

Need haste and swiftness

[whole jackal]

I usually have a pair of blood of the exile with t7 mov speed in my inventory for echo clearing.

[full bluff]

I play transplant spam lich for echo farming, so lost bit touch of what is slow or not

Focus triggers bit too slow after teleport

If it was almost instant on channel it could work with teleport spam

Teleport + channel focus + potions, repeat

[full bluff]

Something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P0atVtSZiQ

Just bit slow focus after teleport

[proven haven]

this is a lot of MS

[autumn sundial]

more consistent aura + more dmg = satisfied mage players 👍

[full bluff]

With haste, swiftness and 2 sec teleport Focus starts feeling really good

[proven haven]

So 555 damage on dummy when naked and no idols. If I add a 12 flat spell idol 887

638 if I add 3 flat lightning

So each flat is adding 27.6 damage, that would mean almost 10x but I don't see where that is coming from

With 1/5 in energy overflow I get +2 damage per added flat.
With 2/5 I get +4
With 3/5 I get +6
With 4/5 I get +8
With 5/5 I get +10

Adding 32 mana gives me 24 damage, but I have 6 int so 24% increased damage. So 32 * 0.6 * 1.24 = 23.8, so that makes sense.

It honestly just looks like damage effectiveness is multiplied? Or some other hidden more multi with that node

[proven haven]

Oh I think I figured it out. Lightning wave seems to have a base effectiveness of 160% and 12% of your mana, then each node adds 100% more damage. It wasn't 2 per point, it was actually rounding because small number.

So with 5/5 the multiplier for flat is 800% and 60% for mana - I had 6 int so 24% increased damage total (which +9.92 flat per added spell) so that's how I got +10.

That means that each added flat is worth 8 added damage, and is equivalent to 13.3 mana. 3000 mana on focus adds the same damage as 225 flat spell.

Really interesting.

@full bluff I think that solves it then.

So hybrid Mana / INT is likely the best. Ladle SHOULD give more damage though still, assuming you are applying all the ailments you need for 48% more damage.

That also explains why the glove bug does so much damage. It's adding 200 WITH 3x damage from pen at 800% effectiveness. So kinda like adding 4800 flat damage

[stone rapids]

does this mean that for the first time ever the cold spell damage while channeling blessing is worth considering?

[proven haven]

You could also use ice barrage for 60% more cold and throne of ambition xd

but kinda meme probably not worth

can't convert adaptive to cold

but yeah if you don't have much specific element increased damage or pen, then off type flat should do a lot

more incentive to use ladle too

wait, you go mourningfrost focus

xdddd

[stone rapids]

i assume sacrificial embrace would only work for one "tick" of damage right?

[proven haven]

no

[stone rapids]

if at all

[proven haven]

it stays the whole time

at least it did, let me check

[stone rapids]

but you're not direct casting the energy overflow are you?

[proven haven]

yep looks like it still works

energy overflow is kinda part of focus, sort of

its weird

eg. Vaion Chariot works

[stone rapids]

i mean idk if it's worth but like 200 flat with 200% pen

[proven haven]

Well it disables crit multi

[left hill]

yeah, hopefully the more consistent part comes through instead of the best option just being mana stacked glyph of dominion (when most of the aura nodes are Spellblade) 🙏

[proven haven]

the bug is that you swap the gloves out after you start channeling and the downside goes away and the added stays

thats how I was hitting uber for 6M

[stone rapids]

ah

just like spriggan form

"snapshotting is fixed guys!"

there is also grimoire

[proven haven]

to be fair, it would still be over 1M hits on uber

without any multi

more because you wouldn't build around multi

more mana and increased instead

[stone rapids]

you would still need to get enough crit to not have it be annoying though

[proven haven]

I previously thought sacrificial was giving omni pen but I guess the flat is just janky

[stone rapids]

crit chance anyways

[proven haven]

Well apparently neverlate solves that 🤷‍♂️

[stone rapids]

oh true

you could also offhand a sword for even more flat if you went spellblade xd

[proven haven]

idk if worth, catalyst is pretty good

[stone rapids]

ya probably

potentially your ideal helm/chest would be 77 mana/spell damage while channeling though

and that one is adaptive

[proven haven]

this seems kinda troll idk

[nimble shoal]

Might be nice getting more flat void with rat city impaler since it gets that 200% pen. Not knowing what weapon/catalyst you'd be giving up lol

[proven haven]

The glove is kinda dead if you dont plan to use the swap bug though

well not dead but

I mean maybe worth idk

[hushed scarab]

how does the Blade Weaver node interact with Shatter Strike repeats - only the first one has more damage?

the mana cost is consumed once, not per strike, so I could also imagine the node applying to all three repeats (which would be incredible)

[tribal veldt]

as far as I know the "repeats" are just part of the same skill use, so all strikes of one shatter strike use should get the bonus

[tribal veldt]

Unfortunately I don't think that likely at this point, spellblade & fire aura's awkward antisynergy is a mechanical one not so much a numbers one

and if they do fix it now, then it's going to be wildly overpowered in tandem with the numerical buffs

well, maybe not wildly. but it would be pretty crazy.

[full bluff]

Great work figuring out the details, saved me more thinking about this 🙂

[autumn sundial]

do it

[full bluff]

Elementalist Call works with Focus 🙂

[proven haven]

Idk what that is

[full bluff]

Almost filling the circle with Focus area

[proven haven]

I also tried flat + aoe + mana armor 4x1 idols

Seems decent

[autumn sundial]

waiting fire aura build by you in next season

[harsh abyss]

fire aura (lightning) + channeled focus will probably be pretty decent

[proven haven]

They don't really scale with the same things though, no?

[harsh abyss]

I figure you'd focus on one and then get easy opportunity cost from the other. Like the node that generates fire auras requires you to be moving, which you can do with mana guide

So you could focus on the fire aura nodes and scale that, but use Focus to mainly be defensive, or do offensive focus and double up on damage 🤷‍♀️

[tribal veldt]

there's also the slight issue of focus not generating fire aura at all, flame walker is a very humble source of it

[harsh abyss]

Fire Aura + BH resist stacking is still probably gonna be way better.

[tribal veldt]

would need a lot of brute force spell scaling

[harsh abyss]

You mean like some sort of flat spell damage based on int 🤔

[proven haven]

0.8 per second from that, yeah

its pretty poo

[tribal veldt]

1 per int is good but it's not making up for not having a passive tree whatsoever compared to any other spell you could build around

[stone rapids]

but aren’t those 1 per second

[tribal veldt]

keep in mind it can't borrow multipliers from the skills that trigger it either

[proven haven]

Fire Aura has a passive tree, it has 0/1 node for 15% more damage in Flame Ward

xd

[tribal veldt]

if a "fire aura build" only gets like, 5-10 stacks, then it's not really a fire aura build unless you don't mind doing no damage XD

[stone rapids]

at the very least if fire aura isn’t gonna be zdps (it probably is) you’re gonna need a way to generate a high amount of stacks which idk how you do that while in focus

[tribal veldt]

the duration node is way more important actually

if it was just 15% more dmg then we could skip speccing flame ward sometimes

but duration too good

[proven haven]

Oh I didn't notice it applied to the aura too

neat

[stone rapids]

holy 2 skill tree nodes relating to fire aura

step aside earthquake bear

[tribal veldt]

[harsh abyss]

Yeah I never noticed that duration node affected fire aura

[tribal veldt]

(don't tell anyone but... me neither until way too late)

[harsh abyss]

I wonder if we'll get better spell-based fire aura generation somewhere

From a unique or something

[tribal veldt]

that would be very nice

right now every fire aura unique is just kinda doodookaka

which is an achievement in itself

[stone rapids]

you can technically get 16 stacks with jungle queen’s and the one that gives you it on potion xd

[harsh abyss]

Technically, Ignivar's should work with Focus

You just have to channel to get 1 fire aura per second

[tribal veldt]

giga

[stone rapids]

1 stack per second holy

[proven haven]

But also even if you have all of this going on from the vlad sheet, which is not a "passive" amount of stacks the dps is still poo

[stone rapids]

combine that with the node in spellblade and you have 2 stacks per second

uber is quivering

[tribal veldt]

fire aura as a main skill does require those active sources yea

which currently is... just surge and glyph of dominion pretty much

(flame reave doesn't actually look too awful, but not great either)

[stone rapids]

flame reave with high attack speed is ok

esp when you combine it with surge

[tribal veldt]

a fair point, but consider that firebrand's passive buffs are very very good for fire aura next patch

and it means you don't have to solve for mana

[stone rapids]

i mean you jeed a generator to spam flame reave anyways xd

generator spender flame reave firebrand holy

[tribal veldt]

so then we're using a generator, to spam flame reave, to proc surge, to make fire aura

[stone rapids]

yep sounds nice and smooth for 2m dummy dps

[tribal veldt]

lol

for reference a runemaster with meh gear at like 1.2k max mana will comfortably sit at 70ish stacks

it's a more annoying playstyle but still

[stone rapids]

there is a tech you can do with the traversal potion belt but sustaining mana is difficult and it’s giga clunky

[harsh abyss]

Just by standing around and casting glyph over and over?

[tribal veldt]

I've gotten a lot of practice with null infusion focus by now lol (and I still accidentally channel it for a second sometimes)

[tribal veldt]

basically yes

[proven haven]

I feel like unless we get a lot more help Fire Aura is probably just a worse version of brand of deception

as far as passive DoT AoE

[tribal veldt]

the glyph explosion can apply brand so why not both :P

[stone rapids]

i’m not even sure it’s gonna be better than subjugation or tresspass much less deception lol

[tribal veldt]

(don't do that)

I gotta have a deeper look at those shiny primordial items, maybe one slots in well

legends entwined is obviously busted on anything but that means little/no uniques in other slots ideally

[proven haven]

brand getting 6% more per shock, meanwhile fire aura 1% per fire resist. That doesn't seem right

should nerf brand lel

[stone rapids]

also legends entwined isn’t gonna do much when you already have a billion ways to scale flat

and don’t need the +levels

[harsh abyss]

Probably should've nerfed it a while ago

[tribal veldt]

you do need some levels on glyph to pick up the qol stuff

qol meaning "I'm standing still and casting a spell so I have to be tanky or be very sad"

25 or so at least

but you can just put it on the relic slot

[proven haven]

Vilatria kinda good but you already get a lot of flat so the 1 per 2 is kinda not much

[tribal veldt]

it's certainly not worth using a staff I can confirm that much

[stone rapids]

reliquary nest is potentially good

[tribal veldt]

I really wish Celestial Doom was better, then we could do some crazy shroud of cinders void scaling

[proven haven]

pen + resist idols?

[tribal veldt]

but the spell it casts has pitiful aoe so no reason to bother

[stone rapids]

“good” of course being relative

[stone rapids]

that and maybe you can go for class ones that have a res suffix so you can get enchants

idk i forget what the idol prefixes are like that would be relevant but maybe

[tribal veldt]

% max mana as well, premium stat for poor old mage

could also just use this, get like 10000 ward per teleport

[stone rapids]

you probably are using a unique idol though which is kind of a bummer

[tribal veldt]

holy moly t8 affixes are hilarious

[proven haven]

back when you could just tap focus over and over and proc that

boom 60k ward instantly

[tribal veldt]

I'm kinda living that with wrongwarp

except for the part where it repositions you against your will every 2.5 seconds

a small price to pay for damage immunity, hundreds of inc dmg and a bunch of cast speed

[proven haven]

tbh I like wrongwarp if I can use it every 10 seconds

dont like needing to spam it

[stone rapids]

there are 1x3 idols with 67% increased damage for aura with res suffix and you could get a decent enchant

idk you probably get so much increased from ele dot though but figuring out the affix priority is horrible

[proven haven]

is increased damage really value when you have ele dot

yea

and int stacking too

[stone rapids]

affix priority for new fire aura looks awful tbh

[proven haven]

you got like 1500 inc

[stone rapids]

having to test ele dot vs res vs int in a bunch of slots sounds painful

2x2s have ward retention + res suffix + enchant ig

maybe it is just 1x1s and 1x2s

[proven haven]

yea I think pen is the last big thing, there is some fire aura proc but they seem poo

and res reduces dependence on gear affixes

[tribal veldt]

thankfully I need mana more than any of those so it's mana/int on every item that can hold it and then scatter ele dot and pen wherever int can't go

the first time I played this I was competing with static orb meta for market items, it was hell

[stone rapids]

you could probably justify one idol for the extra proc when it has res suffix and enchant

[tribal veldt]

...is this as underwhelming as it looks?

the basic lines are nice but

[stone rapids]

it’s on a middling base without damage stagger too

idk

it’s +2 and a decent amount of flat mana basically

seems like a fairly small return to give up a prim for

[tribal veldt]

yea

[stone rapids]

if you’re running mana idols reliquary is prob more mana anyways

[tribal veldt]

thankfully one thing fire aura doesn't lack is aoe on the passive tree, that'd be a pain in the arse to solve

rotmind bis catalyst xdd

[stone rapids]

for the leech and +1? surely there’s better options for that

[proven haven]

Doesn't scales of eterra win?

22 int, fire res, a bit of mana

[stone rapids]

i’m glad you’re finally converting to scales of eterra gaming

[proven haven]

xd

[stone rapids]

if you go cold you can go revik’s blizzard for 24% more damage (don’t tell anybody it’s only vs frozen enemies)

[proven haven]

All about that ice barrage throne of amby

[stone rapids]

specialized snap freeze for 24% more damage holy

[brave sparrow]

Why do we not have mana pots in the game? Lol I never understood that.

[stone rapids]

i mean you can basically use your hp pots as mana pots in some builds

[harsh abyss]

Because the devs want to design skills around their mana costs, and do thing like have high mana costs require you to build around the mana cost, things like that.

Mana pots kind of trivialize that usually and make it so you can always refill mana when needed, so they avoid them. Same reason why there isn't any source of flat mana regen in the game. It's ALL %increased

[proven haven]

I can't say that having mana pots and needing to play around them would make the game more enjoyable than just solving mana as part of the build

already find hp pots annoying

[harsh abyss]

Though I still maintain that the sorc talent should be +1 flat mana regen per 100 max mana.

[proven haven]

agree

base mana regen doesnt change its dumb

only reason focus gives a lot of mana regen is because you end up with like 2000% increased

why though

[harsh abyss]

But even with 2000% increased you still have to channel for like 10+ seconds to refill your mana at that point, and it sucks.

[stone rapids]

yeah i get the mana regen on gear being increased but there definitely should be fringe cases where there's flat (like sorc)

kinda funny how focus is the skill that's like "channel this for mana regen" and the mana regen is the most useless part

even if you're using focus for mana there's about a 99% chance you're just tapping it with null profusion/infusion

[proven haven]

the regen is pretty crazy with a lot of mana, many hundreds per second, but yeah if you just want mana to do something else

for static orb you would full recharge from empty

same with meteor

[stone rapids]

i can't speak to meteor but in my time playing static orb this season null profusion + infusion was sufficient

though i was running some cooldown recovery stuff

[proven haven]

yea old static orb was more expensive

[stone rapids]

true and we didn't have mana guide back then, tough times

on the other hand there was no uber so it's not like there was a scenario where you ever really needed it xd

[proven haven]

regular aberroth required a couple reloads unless your gear was really good

[stone rapids]

in 1.1?

[proven haven]

yea

[stone rapids]

hmm, i deleted that character a long time ago but i don't really remember needing to recharge and my gear was probably pretty mid

[proven haven]

This was before imprints and stuff

[stone rapids]

on the other hand standards for gear were so different back then

yea

not even just imprints before we even had runes of havoc lmao

back when double exalts basically didn't exist

[proven haven]

yea finding a good t7 frost claw or whatever

sucked ass

[stone rapids]

and then you get to whiff the slam 🙂

[proven haven]

that too

manually find 8x 1LP RRs

[stone rapids]

i've often thought about loading up a previous patch in offline to play builds that got deleted or whatever and then i remember slams used to be non-guaranteed and i quickly discard that idea

[proven haven]

well... it is all saved in plaintext

plus you could just copy paste your character

change the name

[stone rapids]

yeah there are definitely ways around it but that's also a lot of hassle just to play an old patch that's super content bare compared to today

playing fc spark charge again sounds fun for a weekend but idk how long every echo being "charge the _ gate" would hold my interest for with how much more there is to do now

[harsh abyss]

I just hope the next season makes it more worth to do non-spark charge things

[stone rapids]

or they could just bring it back it wouldn’t even be that good by today’s standards

static orb was always the actually problematic part about that build

[strange needle]

You could one shot normal Abby in 1.1 with static orb

Fun times

[left hill]

wait does the duration node affect all fire auras? I was thinking it only affected FA gained from Flame Ward.

so then does it affect all that you gain while during FW or even FAs you gain while FW is inactive just as long as it's specialized?

[tribal veldt]

it affects fire auras from any source whether flame ward is active or not, in that sense flame ward is fire aura's passive tree

by extension, any damage multipliers on the skill that's actually proccing the aura do NOT apply

which is 99.9% of the reason why the "intended" spellblade fire aura playstyle is really bad

[autumn sundial]

I want at least 20 aura stacks

I want to see flames around of my character

burn everything BURN!!!

[left hill]

nice, good to know, thx

[left hill]

yeah, knew this part

[tribal veldt]

all good, it's not the most intuitive thing so I always repeat how it works

(would be nice if that got changed wink wink nudge nudge)

[nimble shoal]

For real, please make fire aura a subskill

[harsh abyss]

And while you're at it, make spark charges a subskill (that makes sense)

[left hill]

absurdly mana stacked Glyph can get a lot (much higher than 20)

ridiculous gearing though and you have to both raise cast speed to take full advantage of it but not raise cast speed too much or you'll replace the glyphs before they can finish expanding

[harsh abyss]

Builds that are limited by a "max" cast speed feel like they're always going to fall behind builds that aren't

[left hill]

absolutely. even in optimal conditions the glyph FA stacking isn't anywhere near the damage as actual top builds

but it sure beats non-glyph FA unless/until a patch gives a better way to stack them or makes it a subskill or w/e

[harsh abyss]

If I were gonna do a fire DoT build with Glyph, I'd probably go for the Ignite node instead, way easier to deal with and then you can stack one glyph and cast fireball or something for tons of ignites since you're stacking ignite chance.

Theoretically you could combo them but there's a lot of anti-synergy

[left hill]

ofc

[trail tendon]

Disintegrate looks absolutely amazing. Is there any build that can utilize this skill to great effectiveness? Not some build I can't do till 60+. I mean while leveling too.

[harsh abyss]

Leveling is probably actually where Disintegrate shines the most

It gets hard to scale later because you have to stand still to channel and standing still is a good way to just die

[autumn sundial]

mage players explaining what they should do with fire aura

[hushed scarab]

leveling with dual laser disintegrate + focus for mana is really easy

and yeah, channels have the positioning problem in every arpg, though I think disintegrate is decent as long as you can keep the stages up

iirc for leveling I settled on focus as a travel skill (held when I needed to recharge) and it solved all my mana issues

[nocturne timber]

As Sorcerer, I took a point in Arcane Insight, which is supposed to provide additional Ward Decay Threshold based on Intelligence. But looking at my stat sheet, it still says the Threshold is 0. Bug or looking in the wrong place?

[full bluff]

Need 8 points in it

[nocturne timber]

I kinda wondered if that was the case. The tooltip, to me, reads like you get it regardless. But alas

[nocturne timber]

When a talent says it increases a skills damage by something like, 4, is there a way to see that stat somewhere? Obviously hovering over skills shows DPS, but what about flat damage?

[vernal acorn]

Any one could share next season Fire Aura build spectulations ?

[autumn sundial]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/eterra-monthly-oct-edition-2025/80085

[nocturne timber]

Do Spark Charges deal damage to the enemy that they explode from? Or only nearby enemies?

[proven haven]

both

[nocturne timber]

ty

[full bluff]

Area idols worked well with meteor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PravxB7gBRw

Once you get hooked on mana guide it is hard to go back...

[full bluff]

Anyone got tips for WASD movement and mana guide?

[stone rapids]

play around with the options for traversal skill targeting, I personally prefer “all - follows movement” but to be honest WASD kinda has weird interaction with channeled skills that let you move

[full bluff]

Trying to find a way to move in one direction and cast meteor in another, like circle around while shooting

Works if I put meteor on right click and move with WASD

but channeled focus acting bit weird I think

Like playing a new game almost

[full bluff]

heh teleport became pretty hard to use, can't target it anymore

[harsh abyss]

Are you using Wrongwarp?

[proven haven]

tbh I don't really use WASD with mana guide, it just janky

[harsh abyss]

I can't play "Channel forever to do damage" skills. I get so bored so fast. I want to like Mana Guide and Unending Storm Werebear, but I can't even get through the campaign before I quit to do something else.

[nocturne timber]

I'm glancing at the Maxroll glacier build - not looking to build it right now but trying to get an idea for what people use typically. The build has Mage's Unstable Core, but I don't see anything in the build casting Elemental Nova. Is it taken purely for the other stats and not the special affect?

[harsh abyss]

Unstable core is good because it provides a lot of good stats for any build. +1 level, Increased Ele Damage, Mana, and a high level base

[jaunty wind]

What are some of the common ways to boost survivability on Spellblade? I'm doing a Truesight Glass Shatter Strike build, but I feel like I'm popping way too fast while I'm trying to level up my corruption.

Between Last Steps of the Living and experimental gloves, I'm sitting at like 2.3k ward in town. I can bump it up to 3-4k in combat pretty easily, 25%+ armor, blind and bonus armor from Snowblind, and the -8% damage taken from Runemaster tree.

Still getting wrecked by Rift Beasts that punch me for almost all my ward at like 150 corruption.

[proven haven]

tbh 2.3k stable ward for a low life build is extremely low. But yes Rift Beasts do a lot of damage regardless.

[jaunty wind]

Currently using Wings of Argentus, should I swap to Exsanguinius for triple %ward gen?

Also still trying to drop Strands of Souls and Throne of Ambition for more ward and armor.

[stone rapids]

i don't really think lowlife on shatter strike is a good idea. and even if you're going lowlife, you wouldn't want last steps of the living, otherwise you would have no way to apply doom, which is super important.

can you send a planner with your current gear?

[jaunty wind]

Sure, lemme update with what I'm currently wearing in game.

[jaunty wind]

I thought Last Steps+Snowblind was a neat combo idea to get the big move speed boost without ever dealing with chill, and the blind/armor from Snowblind seemed good.

[stone rapids]

you always want a source of doom + doom belt on a melee build and using siphon with lowlife is going to destroy your ability to gain ward. giving up doom combo is leaving 40% more damage on the table.

[jaunty wind]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oz7l8YnA

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (30) / Spellblade (73) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,429, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 158.51, Regen: 10.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 128%, Regen: 69/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 30 Dex / 39 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 104% / 140% / 66% / 38% / 38% / 40% / 40%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 356
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (120)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (645)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 80%

Used skills:

Shatter Strike / Enchant Weapon / Flame Ward / Mana Strike / Teleport

[jaunty wind]

Currently only level 83, though.

It just seemed like such a waste to not go with ward when I have so much intelligence to fuel Truesight crit chance.

[strange needle]

To be honest you are just starting so focus on survivability right now cause shatter strike has a ton of damage so I would use one of the 2 body armor the primal beasts drop if you need survivability fast ,you need hp slams on your gear,the doom ring that shade drops would be good too

[jaunty wind]

So what it sounds like is that I should be treating the ward from melee attacks stuff as just some supplemental shielding instead of being the primary EHP.

Int > crit and don't worry about losing the double dip into ward stacking.

[short spoke]

I love wasd, I usually spec for teleport via focus, and I use "yolo mouse" so you can find the cursor in all the explosions

I frequently running around casting meteor in whatever direction I want

[proven haven]

you can also increase your cursor size in windows or whatever, and it'll make your LE cursor bigger

[nocturne timber]

Just found these. How do they work when combining the node that converts half of Fireball to lightning damage? Do the gloves then make the entire thing lightning, or is it pointless?

[proven haven]

iirc yes 100% lightning, I think it might cause the fire tag to be removed? I forget

[nocturne timber]

interesting...

[harsh abyss]

I think it does yeah, byt theres almost no world where lightning-based fireball is better than LB so I've never really used it.

[proven haven]

I did actually get a surprising amount of damage out of fireball when testing

I think I could realistically kill Uber with it

but that was with my 77 LB gear and the fireball gloves so, kinda cracked

and still a long fight

[rapid hinge]

fireball can do a lot more damage if it works properly

last time i checked flameburst still bug

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I just don't think Lightning Fireball will ever outcompete Lightning Blast. Fire Fireball is definitely good though, I've thought about doing aDoT build with it before.

[proven haven]

Sure it will, just wait till the LB nerfs, sadge

[harsh abyss]

God, if thery nerf LB, mages are gonna be in a real sad state.

They gotta bring everything else UP

[proven haven]

Yeah honestly fair, compared to some builds we've seen it's not oppressively dominant, just compared to other mage builds its pretty good. Uber wasn't completely trivial until you have some practice in and great gear. Even with full T7T5s a lot of people would probably still take many attempts to clear. The higher corr clear mostly comes from being ranged and having fairly high cast speed letting you kite effectively and avoid hits. Your sustain is still way weaker than leech based builds with probably a lot less EHP than proper "tanks".

The clear speed is also not amazing until you have double slams with cast speed, and the coverage (AoE) is kinda mediocre. It does scale pretty well with gear upgrades though since pretty much every slot has at least one high value 2nd affix for slam.

The movement speed isn't incredible, even with 2T7 boots, mobility is kinda okay overall.

Defense is not bad but you aren't anywhere near a "tank".

Probably say something like:

• Bossing: A+
• Clear: A-
• Ease of gearing: A
• Scaling: A+
• Survivability: B+

I think what makes it good is it doesn't really have a major drawback. Just a solid all rounder.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I mostly am thinking about it compared to some of the other classes with their builds that haven't seen nerfs. Sentinel and Primalist have plenty of builds that are totally OP compared to even LB. Not including things like the crazy op reflect build and stuff. Just like things that were super strong from the Paladin update that didn't get nerfed at all.

[whole jackal]

Man when I pieced together my bearquake beast master it was already close to my LB runemaster without a single slam on the uniques...

Crazy to think they even planned only 50% DMG reduction for earthquake before release

[rapid hinge]

bearquake?

i'm pretty sure it's more about you're literally scaling 1 single skill with 2 different skill tree

rather than earthquake itself being too strong

imagine spark scharge scaling with all the more nodes from things that triggered tham

[whole jackal]

Yeah it is. Ofc earthquake alone is not too strong.

[rapid hinge]

I wonder if it's intentional or not

because "triggered skills which have a tree of itself doesnt scale with the triggering skills'' tree" has been a consistent design point

[nimble shoal]

The difference is it's not a triggered skill, and also there are hidden more multis that already boost its damage before you even start to scale bear

So baseline, bear's EQ deals 40% more damage, then of course you take the solo nodes and bear nodes and EQ nodes

It's definitely intended since they had to go out of their way to make bear use your EQ skill tree, it's just not balanced right... idk maybe they felt like the node giving 90% less damage would have looked silly

[rapid hinge]

well i think "not a triggered skill" is basically just semantic

EQ is not a skill you use yourself, but used via an independant source

it's fair game if you say that could be a minion build thing, but then number might deserve a little bit tweaking

an example of something similar but doesnt receive the same treatment is RM's antipode of runeslinger

the runebolt was shot out by the antipode

which was created by RI

but the runebolt only scales off runebolt's tree, and not RI's tree

[nimble shoal]

It's technical, your bear is an actor like you and directly casts the skill. Antipodes are just fancy triggers.

Minions can have triggered skills as well, like bear's thorn bursts

[rapid hinge]

🤔

[proven haven]

it kinda does for LB, more or less

it doesn't ALSO have its own tree though

[nimble shoal]

So like, the bear's earthquake isn't directly benefitting from the bear skill tree. The bear just casts earthquake using its own stats.
This is part of the theming for companions. Falcon does the same thing, which is part of why it has been so busted as well.

[autumn sundial]

does mage have any skills that auto-casts itself and helping to gain mana?

I'd say meteor but it costs too much

literally

[jaunty wind]

I think Enchant Weapon is the only thing that recasts itself at all.

It also procs a free attack, melee only I think?

[autumn sundial]

y

trying flame reave

this node is so sneaky

it looks good but actually counters itsel

flame reave's base speed scales with Attack Speed

so at one point, it won't help me If I use more attack speed

[nimble shoal]

It reduces the mana cost way more than it increases your attack speed, so it always helps

and the attack speed it gives is additive with all your other attack speed, so really the node helps more the more attack speed you have

[autumn sundial]

I really want to play mage

especially mage in arena ladder is free state

there are not many players with good scores

[proven haven]

Mage also not super great for arena right now

maybe strength mage could do okay, idk

[harsh abyss]

Couldn't Brand of Deception mage do decent in arena?

[stone rapids]

best bet for mage would probably be that or hydra, the range on strength mage may prove to be problematic past wave 1000

[proven haven]

that is strength mage

and yeah hydra probably fine, as long as you don't get hit

[stable holly]

Isn’t that arena usually boils down to anyway?

[elder tusk]

@proven haven hey froze, do you have an excel spreadsheet for calculating DPS and damage buckets? I CAN make one but I know you have done loads of math nerd stuff previously and am just curious

[proven haven]

Depends how far you can realistically push. You could fairly safely tank your way past 1k waves with a tank build that also does good damage, or hope you don't lose a multi hour run with a glass cannon from a single mistake

not like corruption push where a death is not a big deal

[proven haven]

It's build specific, here is one for str mage;
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/copy?gid=1118934466#gid=1118934466

Here is a relative comparison I did for different LB options;
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DLiKBOApPtBBm5prr185HU-iYM9k28ENFgz-voXpB-4/copy?gid=1033779890#gid=1033779890

[elder tusk]

Thank you sir! This will help me calculate eye of reen vs Yrul sword specifically for a shattered lance build, seems sort of like comparing mad alchemist laddle with its low flat spell but has the big 48% more multiplier. Yrun is super easy to get 3-4lP and comes with 34% so I’m curious to see if I can make it similar damage or even more, throw shred on it and even more cold pen

[worthy moth]

@proven haven so for the LB Runemaster i just want one that is capable of speed damage for speed farming corruptions, i dont want it for uber killing as i have my uber killer build etc, just want it capiable for high corrpution, which one of the link u sent me yesterday is suitable for that?

[autumn sundial]

watching frozen sentinel's videos, If he doesn't know, I am sure there is no way

[proven haven]

I comfortably farm 2k with the one that has uber relic further shouldn't be issue either.

You'll want RR + Entwined, Exile Boots, Uber Relic, Orian Belt, Blood gloves, T7 int With T7 multi if 2LP unstable

If you want more ward generation you go twisted heart but then you need to consider getting some health slams

And haste from idols

And more crit chance

So just go uber relic and keep it simple

[worthy moth]

will do, ill just follow ur uber relic build then 😄

[mild geode]

Question for ya @proven haven , I've been playing with the stash filter a lot lately working on Unstable Core and Mad Alchemist's Ladle for your build guides.

I'm a developer and that lead me to create filters that might be common for all i know but seeing if this looks right.

Unstable Core

/unstable core/&/6th cast gains 32[5-9]|6th cast gains 3[3-5][0-9]/&/13[5-9]% increased elemental damage|1[4-5][0-9]% increased elemental damage/

working out how to the the filter OR logic. Also lead me to find ways to search for 2T7-01 no sealed and FP really well.

Best Imprint Bases for Exalted Crafting

# open prefix
FP30+&exalted&sealed0&2T7&1T1-&prefixes1

# open suffix
FP30+&exalted&sealed0&2T7&1T1-&suffixes1

Next best with lower FP and one T2 affix instead of T1

# open prefix
FP20+&exalted&sealed0&2T7&1T2-&prefixes1

# open suffix
FP20+&exalted&sealed0&2T7&1T2-&suffixes1

The search filter rules as best i understand them https://github.com/ChrisTowles/dotfiles/blob/main/.claude/skills/lastepoch.skill.md#complex-boolean-logic-a-and-b-or-c

[proven haven]

I don't have all the macros memorized but for the regex I think your conditions rap more text than necessary so a bit of redundancy

you also don't care about the 6th cast thing, unless you want to do a nova build

[mild geode]

no that helps. i thought i needed both stats, what was the second most important stat

[proven haven]

As for the 2T7 tbh I never bothered with a super precise filter, they drop rarely enough that I was fine with just mousing over them

oh wait

[mild geode]

fair, i have a hording problem, and my tabs cost 900K, so was finding better way to see what i could throw out.

[proven haven]

@mild geode try something like this https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/view/boYENx4o

that's for the loot filter, not stash

[mild geode]

link doesn't work "This filter is not available", i am running your loot filters, Thanks for them by the way. I was looking for easier ways to sort everything, I tend set loot filter for up for 3 or 4 builds i want to mess around with. Pickup everyting and throw everything in tabs with a bunch of auto sort tabs sort everything. But its the last step of of comparing each of the for example 30 Unstable Core chests for which to keep, turtle, strife, or nemesis.

[mild geode]

so something like

/unstable core/&/9[5-9] spell damage|100 spell damage/&/1[3-5][0-9]% increased elemental damage|15[0-9]% increased elemental damage/&LP1+

[proven haven]

ah oops try now https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/view/boYENx4o

yeah something like that, its hard because if you have good implicit the explicit doesn't need to be as good, if you have good explicit implicit, etc.

So even if you make good filter you still need to eyeball the items a bit

you can exclude "bad" ones but good vs "good enough" is a bit harder

[short spoke]

Anyone have some advice for this build?
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJ5Z0nwA

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (77) / Runemaster (14)

General:

▸ Health: 1,374, Regen: 24.26/s
▸ Mana: 1,108.75, Regen: 25.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 84%, Regen: 156/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 36 Int / 13 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 135% / 32% / 92% / 43% / 62% / 76% / 60%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 29%, Threshold: 296
▸ Armor Mitigation: 19% (696)

Used skills:

Arcane Ascendance / Black Hole / Meteor / Focus / Flame Ward

[mild geode]

100% on the "good enough" but not god teir is hard, thx

[short spoke]

I was hoping stash would max out at some point, it's only costing me 200k right now, that's depressing lol

[mild geode]

Working on @proven haven LB mage build to finally beat Uber for the first time with Reflect Pally at 2K Corruption, Thank you Community and Eleventh Hour for the Dad Friendly builds!

[proven haven]

you better hit that spicy slam

[worthy moth]

Good luck

[boreal quest]

Is it a dumb idea to try and use Fireball to apply spark charges instead of Lightning blast?

Been thinking about that for a minute since LB got boosted damage.

Gotta get t7 Fireball and t7 int on unstable before i try this though.

[nimble shoal]

You can't ever get a good spark charge application chance on fireball. It might be fine for dense packs thanks to the piercing and multiple shots per cast, but you'll probably want something else for single target.

[boreal quest]

I mean, with Liaths Machinations you get an extra 28% to stack a spark charge.

[proven haven]

I played with it a bit, itsbad

[boreal quest]

Oh damn.

[proven haven]

good enough to be a meme build though

[boreal quest]

I’m down for meme builds.

Never played with Fireball all that much, so i didnt know how the piercing and homing would work.

[proven haven]

I think its possible to kill Uber with it, in theory

like with a bunch of 77 gear and stuff

[boreal quest]

I figured I would need a lot of T7s

[proven haven]

yea I tried with some of my 77 LB gear and a few fireball pieces and it was like a few million dps

solid C-tier

[boreal quest]

Bunch of INT. Cast speed on offhand and gloves.

I gotcha I gotcha.

Did you use Ladel or Cindersong?

[proven haven]

ladle

[boreal quest]

Gotcha. Figured that would be much better for stacking cast speed.

[proven haven]

it has a damage multi and yeah cast speed. It's also realistic to get 4LP and gives you frailty and shred for free

[boreal quest]

Cause I’m thinking I would need T7 on gloves, catalyst, and the wand to even get close for Cinder for the extra projectiles to be even considered.

[proven haven]

the +2 would never be relevant. ladle gives you 48% more damage for free, cinder gives less than 48% more projectiles

plus everything else it is missing

[boreal quest]

Right. Ladel is just superior.

Damn, I don’t know a Mage build that doesn’t use Ladel.

Frost Clas maybe.

*claw

[proven haven]

plasma orb uses Reowyn, Dex Stack Brand uses BBC, Str uses cleaver, focus can use wrongwarp or ladle, spellblades often use swords or whatever

[boreal quest]

And I assume no one is even using Dragoraths for LB?

[proven haven]

not really

I've seen it used for mana strike / fc / lb

but its kinda mediocre

[boreal quest]

Thought with the stacking of Crit multi via cold res it would be decent. But it’s 1% for every 5% cold res.

[proven haven]

A lot of these older sometimes meta items had their niche advantage powercrept by other gear

[boreal quest]

Ahhhh

[proven haven]

Dragorath used to be a decent way to get flat crit, now we have the gloves, the rings, the relic, etc.

[boreal quest]

Some of these might need to be updated to keep them relevant.

Say 1% crit multi for 1% cold res?

That’s a considerable update.

[proven haven]

tbh I forgot it even had that

LB itself doesn't to that much damage

plus the indirect cast thing is kinda troll

[boreal quest]

Not game breaking, I think. But just something to keep them from being never picked up.

It is pretty troll.

[proven haven]

most of the LB nodes dont work with indirect cast

[boreal quest]

Right!?

[proven haven]

so great you maybe get some crit multi, but you lose all the good stuff in the tree

[boreal quest]

But if it doesn’t benefit from indirect cast, it’s almost useless to even use unless that’s the only thing you have.

[proven haven]

You could maybe cast LB directly then cast FC to keep the direct cast recently thing up, I guess. Maybe use T8 LB belt for the extra indirect chains 🤷‍♂️Not better than just casting LB with ladle though

[full bluff]

Almost finished with the Focus Runemaster, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-7rf8SZ7TM, it has one problem, it is not Void Knight Warpath...

[spark vector]

Does anyone know if Crit Chance over 100% still contributes to this damage?

From briefly looking at the tooltip in game I believe it does still affect it

[proven haven]

yes

[spark vector]

Trying to make an RF build like from PoE as I think I saw Flame Aura is getting a buff next season

So I am trying things out

Thank you

[boreal quest]

Paladin Judgement Aura is your best bet.

Stack Attunement, DoT, Healing Effectiveness, and its decent. Not super endgame, but it can be very nice for running through monos/ speed farming if you get enough movement speed.

[stone rapids]

fire aura is so funny because it seems like you would think it’s an rf type deal but the most optimal way to play fire aura (which is still trash) is an extremely active playstyle to maintain stacks lol

[tribal veldt]

the closest thing to RF'ing around that I can think of is either some kind of lich or a rogue that has all of their spells proc just by casting shift

(also the reflect body armour but that's in a league of its own lol)

[harsh abyss]

Consecrated Ground aura is probably the least buttons. Just hit Judgement once every like 10 seconds and then run around while everything dies, heh

[stable holly]

Nothing like RF though

[stable holly]

Yeah, sadly LE doesn’t really have a true RF type build.

[spark vector]

Not really what I am after but thank you for the suggestion.

[abstract scaffold]

Aura of decay exists. Even if it mostly sucks

[tribal veldt]

so does RF that's why I recommended lich

[strange needle]

Aura of decay ain't bad like before with lich rework feels good to play ,dread did video on it

[umbral stone]

Reflect paladin with the chest piece that deals thorns dmg to all enemies facing you every 0.5 sec.

The visual is pretty subtle, but playwise and powerwise I think that is the closest you will get. Super tanky build also

Capable of downing most content without clicking any abilities

[stable holly]

Once you slap that chest on I think class is mostly irrelevant after that 😂

100% getting gutted next season.

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, blinding light is like RF on crack. iirc nerf incoming was confirmed.
Focus and warpath can both be played kinda RF-ish if you numlock them.

[full bluff]

I am working on something with lightning version of fire aura... but it feels weak still..

[proven haven]

Wait for the patch homie, dont get us nerfed before it drops xd

[full bluff]

Saving this for next season I think, no point working on it now

[stable holly]

Warpath is Cyclone or Whirlwind, not RF, the only similarity is that it’s a circle of damage.

[nimble shoal]

The only difference is they force movement, otherwise they are pretty much 100% the same thing

[stable holly]

I really don’t agree, they don’t play the same, feel the same or scale the same at all.

Have you played Cyclone and RF in PoE before?

The similarities stop after “circle of damage”

Reflect builds play like RF but yeah, I doubt those will exist next season. I expect those to get nerfed back into obscurity.

[full bluff]

Can you have some active casting in a RF style build?

[nimble shoal]

The main reason these kinds of builds are popular is because of the circle of damage and ability to move while doing it, so I don't see much distinction there.
They can even have some element of scaling defense to scale offense like RF, but otherwise yeah the scaling is different - which doesn't make a different build at all.

[full bluff]

If you play WASD you can stand still with Focus

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, single target on RF is junk, so they typically have something to help with that. Haven't played in a while, last I remember it was the PoE version of disintegrate

[stable holly]

For RF at least in PoE the main selling point is how easy it is to scale defences and the very inactive play style.

For Cyclone you typically forgo defences to get damage and speed because it’s not as easy to scale your defences and offence at the same time.

[full bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvAPNThrKg8 this is how I play fire aura now, not a passive style at all...

(demo in wrong gear)

[nimble shoal]

That doesn't really apply to warpath/focus. You can probably choose to do it if you want I guess, but you're more limited on speed scaling here.

[harsh abyss]

Mana stacking Focus probably fits this bill pretty decently.

If you pair it with static orb for boss killing, you're probably in a prety close approximation of RF

[full bluff]

Defense is pretty free with focus on runemaster

[harsh abyss]

It's pretty free with Focus in general, heh

[jaunty wind]

EHG tries to design things to be active rather than passive like that, so you probably won't find much to that same degree. A few area effects to activate with timers is about it.

[spark vector]

Yeah, thank you but I am really trying to make Flame Aura specifically work.

[proven haven]

Str stack fits this exactly.

Build str which gives defense and damage

Its RF

[full bluff]

Spamming Glyph of Dominion works with Flame Aura, but it plays like a Judgement Paladin...

Without the tankiness

[spark vector]

As of now I am a RM proccing Flame Auras on Flame Rush, while moving and while channeling Disintegrate which is fairly similar to Scorching Ray from PoE

I also proc Glyph of Dominion when I Flame Rush though idk how useful it is for me.

[full bluff]

There is a runic invocation that gives flame aura

[spark vector]

Fire, Cold, Fire yeah

[full bluff]

Need an item that turns it into void aura 🙂

[nimble shoal]

There are a few synergies with glyph on RF. Or at least, there will be. Like the bonus resist while standing on it will boost all fire auras you proc while on the glyph, and it has some fire aura procs somewhere too.

[tribal veldt]

45 all res is just terrific with or without synergies, makes gearing so easy if you can build around standing on it at all times

and Evoker of elements is the way to go anyways if a "pure fire aura" build (or the closest thing to it) is what you want

[full bluff]

Fixed the speed problem 🙂

[rancid vine]

Hi have some a good built wit shard of the shatterd Lance ?

[stable holly]

Google it and if not you better start brain storming.

I want to say Perry the Pig did a community challenge to make builds around it.

[sharp mantle]

the masteries which can scale regen well have bad cold melee skills if they have any at all and the ones with good cold melee skills don't have much incentive to scale health regen

you can make it work but it's a lot of effort for less reward than you'd like.

[nimble shoal]

It's not meta, but you can run shattered lance with shatter strike.
Pretty much every class can run shattered lance in some way, if they want to.

[proven haven]

I think there was some Strife + Lance combo with the Legends ring with Shatter

Pretty sure it was worse than normal shatter though

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, it's a neat combo, though yet another vessel nerf hurt it

[rancid vine]

A part of brain storming was to ask here

[sharp mantle]

vessel nerf totally unwarranted imo, if full tanky vessel minion builds were too robust then look at the minion skills which let them invest so much into getting tanky and still do good dps/clear.

[full bluff]

Demo of actual Fire Aura https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvza14aah3s

Not sure it fits poe rf style

[autumn sundial]

lets fire aura great again

[tribal veldt]

nice build

could probably convert the aura to cold here for that (slight) synergy with the snap freeze debuff

but then 📉 visual clarity xd

[full bluff]

I am testing fire, cold and lightning versions. Lots of combinations and various mechanics to figure out. Something to look forward to in season 4 🙂

[tribal veldt]

do you have thoughts on runebolt/castspeed-based mana recovery vs. focus/cooldown-based?

It's a bit harder to cast CFC runes with focus I suppose

[full bluff]

If you drop CFC it opens up a lot of options

Right now mana sustain is the limiting factor for keep up to 100 stacks going

And you have to keep casting, and you have to be low on mana and have mana...

This is where it gets interesting 🙂

For cold damage, ice barrage is a massive boost

[full bluff]

Cold Aura demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eRH9qOn0Es, it turns into a visual mess, fire is much cleaner to play.

[tribal veldt]

I think that lightning res stack might have the potential to fully fix our recovery issues with the buffs

maybe not 100% but enough to make things way comfier

and being locked into lightning aura isn't too bad, we get shock damage

[full bluff]

yes, lightning has some potential 🙂

[tribal veldt]

What's your profile so I can peek at the build on LEtools :P

[full bluff]

This is the fire setup https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5vjg8vo, used the same to demo cold

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Spellblade (19) / Runemaster (49)

General:

▸ Health: 1,450, Regen: 27.4/s
▸ Mana: 1,850.87, Regen: 27.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 436%, Regen: 195/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 25 Dex / 224 Int / 17 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 105% / 81% / 105% / 78% / 78% / 103% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 345
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (218)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,897)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 24%

Used skills:

Glyph of Dominion / Flame Ward / Runic Invocation / Runebolt / Frost Wall

[full bluff]

It is pieced together with gear I had or could easily make

[tribal veldt]

aha I was wondering about the boots

definitely want the experimental prefix, even without much investment in traversal CD

[full bluff]

yes, I have some but they are on the other runemaster at the moment

[tribal veldt]

man, that's so much mana

[full bluff]

this one has "spare" gear

[tribal veldt]

that relic is pretty crazy

[full bluff]

damn linked wrong

sorry...

[tribal veldt]

I remember when 1800 mana was almost impossible, now we just do it on spare gear 🤣

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Spellblade (19) / Runemaster (49)

General:

▸ Health: 1,450, Regen: 27.4/s
▸ Mana: 1,850.87, Regen: 27.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 436%, Regen: 195/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 25 Dex / 224 Int / 17 Att / 17 Vit
▸ Resistances: 105% / 81% / 105% / 78% / 78% / 103% / 95%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 345
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (218)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,897)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 24%

Used skills:

Glyph of Dominion / Flame Ward / Runic Invocation / Runebolt / Frost Wall

[full bluff]

hmm

too many tabs open 🙂

[tribal veldt]

I recommend 1x point into this, not for the haste but it cleanses you on every cast, just feels very nice

but you usually have more than 23 pts anyway, so that's no problem

[full bluff]

Fire Aura has everything, except boss damage at the moment

[tribal veldt]

yep

even with the new stuff it still won't be great, but a lot better at least

enough to chill at 500+ corruption and farm for giga items

[full bluff]

Focus build 1 shots bosses, that takes fire aura 20 second to kill

and Focus is far from the top dps

[harsh abyss]

I still wonder if Doom Pulse Focus might be insane, maybe I'll try that out next season

[tribal veldt]

I wouldn't count on it, that item has too many mechanical issues even if the damage numbers are there

the aoe is tiny so you can only ever count on it for single target DPS

[full bluff]

@tribal veldt tested holding focus and spamming glyph, can sustain it, but really tricky to play...

[full bluff]

Think fire is the way to go, with rune bolt

it looks better 🙂

[tribal veldt]

oh nono holding focus ain't it, you tap it as soon as you go below 0 mana, with the node that immediately restores a % of max mana

it takes some practice to do consistently/easily

usually I'd say you need a lot of CDR, but with 1800+ mana it starts being a lot easier

[full bluff]

heh I keep missing negative mana

not for me 🙂

wish there was something good to do with elemental nova

[harsh abyss]

Well, I was thinking about it for a mana stacking Focus build, so the only reason you'd ever need to trigger Doom Pulse would be with single targets.

My thought was:
-Use Static Orb to dump mana to zero, then:
-Mana Guide mana stack Focus, use that for normal clearing.
-Activate AA for scaling increased damage per second while channeling

-Use Static and Flame Aura for instant cast Doom Pulse while channeling, get HUGE crit multi addition because of the crazy %increased mana regen from Focus starting at 3000 missing mana.

That means Doom Pulse is getting: 1500% crit multi, 300 flat damage.

Plus whatever other mana regen stuff you get.

You could use Butcher's Crown to gain ~250 mana/sec, which means you could sustain AA for a LONG time.

But also even without Butcher's, you'd be around 120 mana/sec, which could still sustain AA for quite a while before getting to negative mana regen.

[proven haven]

Annoying part is that you can't really pre-ramp with butcher before uber or whatever

so you still looking at a really long fight of constant ramping

Even 5 minutes of ramping is 1500% damage

on top of the 1000% you probably already have

[proven haven]

idk if I'm missing anything

I think it was 1% multi per 1 mana though

I think this is pretty optimistic

[harsh abyss]

Its 1% multi per 1% mana regen, but mana guide cuts focus mana regen in half

[proven haven]

I forgot mana guide yeah true

[harsh abyss]

Do item skills that are triggered inherit More multis from the skills that trigger them?

[proven haven]

no

that would be really hard to balance

[harsh abyss]

Yeah I didnt think so

[proven haven]

if you could proc all 5 times for 1.25 casts per second

it would be almost okay

this is still after 5 minutes of ramp

tbh with the shenanigans we discovered with focus I feel like you might as well just build into that instead

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, mana stacking static orb + focus is probably just better.

[proven haven]

even just pure static orb does like 20x this DPS

[harsh abyss]

Yeah. Toss it on the pile of "skills that suck because of cooldowns" heh

[proven haven]

are there any good item originated skills ?

that don't have skill trees

[harsh abyss]

Spark Charge 😉

[proven haven]

yeah I wasn't counting that

[harsh abyss]

I know

But other than that, idk

Even items that trigger spells tend to suck because of limits.

I WANT Battlemage's Endeavor to be good

Even at 100% chance on hit to trigger it would be worse than just casting LB

[proven haven]

you need decimate + doom pulse memes

yeah that one also sucks

does magma shards shotgun?

[harsh abyss]

I think staffs need an explicit prefix that is "+spell damage" to make them competitive with other equipment.

[autumn sundial]

this made me laugh lmao

[proven haven]

muscle mage

[autumn sundial]

imagine If you had videos for other classes...

maybe next season?

[proven haven]

probably not tbh

maybe if I go MG

[autumn sundial]

as a youtuber, you should know, you can grind so much gold with these builds

first grind items, then share the video and boom

people will buy your items

[proven haven]

that doesn't really work in LE

like you can't buy items for cheap then flip them

and if I was already grinding the items anyway releasing a video later probably wouldn't get me more gold

[autumn sundial]

wish I could test it lol

I think best profitable builds for now, ones that's using red ring bcs of its rare drop

or maybe builds with uber items

but it only works in the starting of the season

[proven haven]

probably, rush Uber then sell uber drops idk

[autumn sundial]

honestly you are so informative about builds which I like

but If you need more gold to make more builds, I prefer this instead single build

Idk maybe there will be better mage in the next season

and everyone will play it lol

[proven haven]

I would probably make more builds but minmax with COF takes time

[autumn sundial]

will you go for mg in the next season?

[proven haven]

either MG or legacy, I can't spend so many hours farming the same items over and over

[autumn sundial]

LETS GOOOOO!!

btw, you have an advantage, you know where the items drop

it wont be easy as cof but it will be quicker than other players in mg

[proven haven]

wat

[nimble shoal]

Usually not, there are exceptions where the seemingly item-triggered skills are actually just added to a specific skill as a subskill. Aside from flame whip where it explicitly explains its behavior, vortex pennant is the same way. Can't think of any others off the top of my head, though.

[autumn sundial]

let's say, we started season4, you will get those 'build' items quicker than anyone

[proven haven]

I'm not that fast tbh but probably fast enough

Main thing is that filters are annoying as MG, and using bazaar also annoying

probably could do it like 50% optimally and still end up better off than COF though

[autumn sundial]

y but less time is definitely worth for gold instead grinding items over and over

[proven haven]

probably yea

[autumn sundial]

and once you have enough gold which is more possible for you than me because you probably played this game more than me in this season and you had better corruption

imagine having 'that much' gold in mg now

[proven haven]

I dont have that much, I buy many tabs

[autumn sundial]

aaron has many tabs but he also has 2 billions gold

[proven haven]

on legacy?

[autumn sundial]

nope

[harsh abyss]

If this worked for Doom Pulse, triggering it with Static Orb or Static (with max stacks) might be kind of insane.

If only we had good standarization on how things work

[proven haven]

hmm. Yeah I also had 2 b gold last season from a bit of MG, but there is less gold this season

[harsh abyss]

"Profit" is the main reason I go CoF over MG. Wealth accrual is a game I spend too much time playing IRL, I dont want to do it in games, heh

[proven haven]

I just don't enjoy not actually killing stuff

[autumn sundial]

you like building ❤️