🧙┃mage

[bright patio]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/Jiesus/character/Jeisus

Current build is objectively rly tanky but just needs some more oomph

Red rings will solve a lot

[mint ivy]

ye, but so far its good

[sleek meteor]

hey chat

fireball embers or the channeling node?

[weary hamlet]

channeling is giga meme

like the most meme of all the channeling conversions

[small depot]

how did people snapshotting runemaster ?

[molten cobalt]

with frostwall and flamerush

[small depot]

how does it work

[molten cobalt]

enter frostwall with rush and damage bonus is snapshot

until you die or exit swap area

monolith as a whole being 1 area

so rush through wall at last second

preferably with +duration items

2x t7 frost wall duration = 100% inc duration

[small depot]

I see thanks

no wonder the guy from the guide did 5x times more damage than me

[broken pecan]

phew, res capped

[junior coral]

i think everyone does 20x more dmg than me i can't figure it out why tho lol

[small depot]

same with me, i dont understand

[junior coral]

probably lp2

but i'm kind of burnt out to grind that

like i tried last few days to get the chest. didn't work out. just 3 failed slams

i think lp1 and then finishing the game or build is feasible. the RNG is too swingy and my backlog of games is too long to try to go all lp2

[small depot]

i understand you

[bright patio]

can you show your build from lastepochtools? it looks like a lot of fun i'd like to see the gear

[small depot]

playing underdog class is tiring

[bright patio]

tiring but very satisfying when you reach certain goals

my first clean reg aberroth kill felt insanely satisfying even tho other builds can snooze through it lol

[cosmic dove]

In the latest dev interview, they said acolyte is the focus of the next season...so we have 6 months to be satisfied 😂

[bright patio]

by "satisfying" i mean, when you kill a boss w/ skill vs t-pose face tank haha

but that's a very personal satisfaction idk

[cosmic dove]

I dont mind it either

but I wish they could focus on more than one class at once

[broken pecan]

aaaaalll my dps is gone

part of that might be my level?

[bright patio]

could be a ton of things - comfy posting your build/gear?

[broken pecan]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMkLOLEA

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 80

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (5) / Spellblade (10) / Runemaster (58)

General:

▸ Health: 1,238, Regen: 21.2/s
▸ Mana: 329.4, Regen: 12.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 74%, Regen: 18/s
▸ Attributes: 32 Str / 16 Dex / 32 Int / 12 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 75% / 75% / 89% / 83% / 128% / 75% / 88%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 248
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (64)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 29% (1,158)
▸ Block Chance: 46%, Mitigation: 26% (372)

Used skills:

Focus / Runic Invocation / Flame Ward / Flame Rush / Frost Wall

[broken pecan]

had to cap my res

[bright patio]

god same yeah it hurt my heart when you said the acolyte thing but tryin so hard to stay posi

[broken pecan]

this is base empowered monos, 100 corruption

I keep hoping to find something to slam on my amulet

[bright patio]

honestly, just 1LP on your gear would make a world of a difference so you could slam a solid t6 damage mod on stuff; i'm not MG tho so i don't know how realistic that is for you

since i know nothing about MG

also two void res idols could be removed to use a 3-slot mage idol with dmg rolls

[broken pecan]

except I need the void res

[bright patio]

1LP chestpiece with + to skills is also huge

says you have 128%?

do you need to overcap?

[broken pecan]

how tf...

[bright patio]

did you add the belt after the relics

[broken pecan]

I could have sworn I was barely capped.

with the belt

weird

[junior coral]

damn another fail slam

each attempt is like 100mill

[bright patio]

i had a similar experience but it was bc i had a blessing swap to void res%

like randomly noticed i was at 150% or something wild

[broken pecan]

and then I lost all my phys res by switching my relic to twisted heart, ffs

[junior coral]

ehh...its better than nothing I guess

[broken pecan]

guess I'm stuck with stormcarved testament until I find more phys res.

[junior coral]

going for the axe next. 2lp RNG is pain

i could buy 3lp axe to make it easier but those are just too much

billion

with taht much i can try 2lp like 10 times

[bright patio]

it might be worth a temp swap to COF if you want to farm for stepping stone upgrades; i had a lot of luck with that personally when i was around 100 corrupt

but that's obviously a v personal choice!

[broken pecan]

like half my gear I couldn't wear cause it's all bought so not happening XD

[junior coral]

im now hitting like 500-700k ticks (not dummy, actual mobs)

gonna try a stardial instead of that armor ring

[prime whale]

I don't understand how you can get that much gold in MG

does'nt the gold need to be generated by players by actually looting it on the ground ?

[bright patio]

sell 2LP VK build items for like 200m a pop is from what i've heard? lol the prices seem insane

could even be more than that

and idols

[harsh abyss]

I think the prices are just due to lack of real gold sinks

[bright patio]

idols are like 1b a pop for decent ones

[broken pecan]

I sold a +4 warpath chest plate for like 10 mil

[prime whale]

I dont think I looted even 10 million on 2 level 100 chars in total

so how can there be that much gold generated so that people can have billions

[bright patio]

i'm only cof going off screenshots friends sent me and i got anxious lookin at those numbers

[prime whale]

a lot of buyers and few sellers ?

[bright patio]

people who trade in arpgs trade hard

and rmt gets involved, it's complicated

[feral birch]

I have this belt that i want to slam on 2/3LP for ward based mage

what's the best base for that?

i was thinking either brewmaster or Elecoes ( i have 100% crit chance)

[junior coral]

probably botts lol

[prime whale]

I mean the gold has to come from somewhere

[junior coral]

yeah like bots just farming echo money ones i guess

lots of rmt

going on

[harsh abyss]

It may also be that people found ways to make crazy amounts of gold using the weaver tree. There are lots of ways to make it so like champs drop tons of gold, and tons of champs spawn, etc.

[prime whale]

and it's definitely impossible to loot a billion on the ground

[harsh abyss]

Most people would ignore those nodes/combos, but if you're going to farm gold specifically I bet there are some nutty setups

[bright patio]

if it's anything like poe (where i came from), it's a combination of goldsellers/rmt and ppl who play the game solely for market manipulation

but idk how MG works with preventing market manip

people sadly pay a lot of irl money for good gear

[prime whale]

I see

[harsh abyss]

Well, you can't resell things, so any time anything is bought the item is removed from the economy, but the gold isn't

So there is only huge appreciation of value for items

[bright patio]

ahh good to know, ty for that clarification

[prime whale]

so basically people buy gold off of bots with real money and then buy normal peoples items in the AH

[bright patio]

still learning a lot about MG

[junior coral]

mg isn't horrible once u get like a real good farm down. and then make a billion in a few days and spend it all on a lp3

and pray it doesn't rip

[bright patio]

oh i dont' think it's bad or good rly i just don't like trading personally

but some friends of mine really love it

(just wanna make it clear bc i hate the cof vs mg wars everywhere LOL)

[junior coral]

my imprint broke and hasn't procced all day so i made very little gold

[prime whale]

I tried once MG but the AH filter doesn't let you go into enough specifics so looking for a specific exalted sucks ass

[junior coral]

yeah the ui sucks

[prime whale]

and you have to scroll through a ton of pages and look at each item

[bright patio]

i think that's good for MG though because otherwise it would be too easy, people who invest into MG seem to benefit from learning the systems even if they're annoying

it seems annoying by design anyway

[harsh abyss]

I mean, trade and economies usually are, for people who don't fully invest in them.

COF is much better for casual play than MG just because you don't have to worry about inflation or anything.

But for MG players, the trading needs to be perfectly balanced or the top 5% of them skew it for everyone else

[bright patio]

i like the option to use both also

like for instance i'm getting to a point in CoF where i know i could benefit from swapping for better gear probably

but CoF made it easy to quickly get some mid 1LP/ some LP2 items a bit easier to get goin

i just love that both options are pretty well balanced, so well designed overall

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, and you can always have 2 characters, one for each faction. Leveling up a character isn't super hard once you know what you're doing. That way you aren't swapping factions back and forth and nuking your favor

[hybrid schooner]

its a 676, wrong belt type but alright

[harsh abyss]

I got a 3lp ward traiL, I kinda want to see if I can slam 2 t6+ dodge suffixes on it and see how much dodge chance it gives me just by itself.

[wild nymph]

isnt this beautiful

[hybrid schooner]

@wild nymphwhat build dude

[wild nymph]

literally same as the t7 affix wdym what else@hybrid schooner

[hybrid schooner]

like u punching stuff with ur fists or what

what mele hits, what are you playing. i didnt think it was a complicated quqestion

[edgy charm]

any good mage builds for high corruption push? dont really care if its ubberoth viable

[hybrid schooner]

what would you consider high corruption

[edgy charm]

1k+

[hybrid schooner]

i mean i speed farm with the str stack tpose setup between 1-1.1k

its a good safe area. can go high no prob

higher

[edgy charm]

t pose setup, interesting ill look it up

thanks

[hybrid schooner]

frozensentinel on yt

@edgy charmthe interaction of focus and flame rush has been bugged since the patch this week tho. like you have to fully stop channeling focus to flame rush right now. its pretty annoying

hopefully they fix it

[edgy charm]

oh dang good to know thanks

[hybrid schooner]

normally u can hold donwn fous and flame rush around

[edgy charm]

ok so he has a lot of videos on this.. this the variant youre talking about https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJDVeJEo ?

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (13) / Spellblade (19) / Runemaster (61)

General:

▸ Health: 1,290, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 270.51, Regen: 13.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 200%, Regen: 103/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 132 Dex / 57 Int / 15 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 81% / 77% / 132% / 74% / 99% / 63% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 258
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (623)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 34% (1,782)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Used skills:

Focus / Flame Ward / Frost Wall / Runic Invocation / Flame Rush

This build has a guide:

Dexterity Mage With A Bbc - The "Meme Build" That Is Actually Good | LE 1.2 by FrozenSentinel

[edgy charm]

Looks like i could get just the uniques with decent rolls/lp for about 1.5b

not inc rr which i have

[hybrid schooner]

no thats the dex version. its fine just higher damage for clearing echos. same boss damage.

[edgy charm]

oh

[hybrid schooner]

only difference is really a weapon swap and prio dex instead of str

[edgy charm]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AV846ydB

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Mage (28) / Sorcerer (13) / Spellblade (14) / Runemaster (58)

General:

▸ Health: 1,665, Regen: 32.16/s
▸ Mana: 311.86, Regen: 15.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 360%, Regen: 77/s
▸ Attributes: 155 Str / 22 Dex / 155 Int / 10 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 142% / 79% / 98% / 80% / 114% / 79% / 65%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 403
▸ Dodge Chance: 11% (334)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,055)
▸ Block Chance: 169%, Mitigation: 23% (366)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 101%

Used skills:

Focus / Flame Ward / Flame Rush / Runic Invocation / Frost Wall

This build has a guide:

Strength Stack Runemaster - All Content Viable Tank Autobomber Mage - Build Guide | LE 1.2 by FrozenSentinel

[hybrid schooner]

ya

[edgy charm]

ok cool maybe cheaper

thanks for all the help

[molten cobalt]

time to watch latest Last of Us episode

[desert mulch]

Are there any notable mage builds for Uber killing?

[molten cobalt]

not sure about notable

but there's a couple that did it

with as brand runemaster and hydrahedron runemaster

[proud swift]

Idk about mage but there are only 19 RuneMaster players across hardcore and softcore that managed to kill him. In short this is a hard patch for us masters of the arcane arts 🥲

[edgy charm]

favorite part of the game, making alt gear

[hybrid schooner]

prob takes about 30 mins to make a 1lp BIS this season with mg.

i mean after all the grinding ive done i can prob do the same with cof

1-3 lp. anyways. theres some items i have 5 duplicates of 4lp

prob items nobody uses

[edgy charm]

yeah i had so much random high lp noob gear

and a bunch of old exalted stuff rotting in stash

[hybrid schooner]

finally hit the dub t7 on this. bricked an lp3 and at least 6 other lp2

not to mention a couple hundred havoc runes and dozens of 7 7 chests

duplicated that chest too, prob a decent lp3 slam if i can find another

[bright patio]

i wnana use this but that glacier affix always destroys my mana lol

wanna*

or try it out

[wild nymph]

unbind evade

[proud swift]

Lightning crit Runemaster build. Main spells I will be using will be:

Most casted spell will be **Ball Lightning (Gon Gon Gon) ** which will auto cast Crackling Glyph & Sea Of Sparks.
Antipode of Mesembria (Rah Gon Hoe) optional, using it when enemies too close since I will be using Flame Rush to reposition. This will auto cast Twin Embers more or less useless) & Dancing Sparks, good for ward 10+1 per intelligence if it hits enemies.
Reowyn's Frostguard every 13 secs for defense boost auto casts Rune Shard & Unvar's Eternal Embers both of which are useless.

Please provide some feedback 🙂 Uniques and stuff I will consider later.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AV4OJb4B

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Mage (25) / Sorcerer (16) / Runemaster (72)

General:

▸ Health: 1,942, Regen: 31/s
▸ Mana: 488.51, Regen: 13.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 199%, Regen: 223/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 92 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 77% / 93% / 77% / 77% / 76% / 81% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 388
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (175)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 13% (358)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 103%

Used skills:

Lightning Blast / Flame Rush / Frost Wall / Runebolt / Runic Invocation

[bright patio]

got my first uberroth clear!!!! it was duo w/ another spellblade

sadly died at 20% and they finished it so i don't count it for myself as a win fully

but this is gonna make life so much easier

[hybrid schooner]

@proud swiftcool build dude

[proud swift]

Thank you 🙂

[hybrid schooner]

@bright patio link ur setup. im piecing together a striek build rn, power farming with tpose

[bright patio]

gimme 1 sec

[hybrid schooner]

these are what i have on deck right now.

[bright patio]

putting my kill set on then will link

moved stuff around after killed it

[hybrid schooner]

shouldnt you be nearly crit capped without mele crit there

[bright patio]

i was overcapped lmao i forgot to swap to another pair

i was experimenting w/ dropping some dex for int bc i was barely getting one shot

[hybrid schooner]

oo

[bright patio]

and it really did make a difference tbh

[hybrid schooner]

hows SS been for clearing monos. i played it last season, and a little this one. its always rough i feel

you have to stop and swing ur swords and dodge a stupid circle every half second

[bright patio]

stash tabs are a mess but it was basically this w/ necrotic res dmg reduction helm

and a lot of luck/coordination

it wasn't tanky at all we had to be super coordinated w/ movement

slowly dragging around the arena when void puddles stacked, lot of baiting his charges etc

[hybrid schooner]

ive never got bloody nib to work, i would just stack up bleed and die from it

[bright patio]

have to pair it with leech

[hybrid schooner]

no red rings i see you have 2 doom applications

[molten cobalt]

when you load up so many rune prophecies that the entire game freezes for a good 2 seconds when you trigger the lootsplosion

fun times

[bright patio]

yep

and relied on cleanse passive from enchant weapon

which is hyper risky

[molten cobalt]

what are you doing up at this time a day @hybrid schooner

[hybrid schooner]

the damage reduction debuf can be cleansed?

[molten cobalt]

isnt it middle of the night for you

like 3-4 am?

[hybrid schooner]

yep

[bright patio]

yes, it's almost a necessity tbh

by that point in the fight the anxiety impacts performance

[hybrid schooner]

didnt even think to cleanse it, alright

[bright patio]

lmao

yeah just a t1 cleanse

ideally higher obv so you can get extra ward

[molten cobalt]

on belt

[bright patio]

also %mana spent gained as ward for sustain

[hybrid schooner]

im tpose rn so i cant even do uber with the bug. i feell like i nearly had it

[bright patio]

i will say that kill felt like stars aligning

just a lot of lucky combos

[hybrid schooner]

word. gj

[bright patio]

he did his fireball thing like 4x in a row so it was just a lot of dmg uptime

[hybrid schooner]

thoughts on 1 scissor and then eye of reen? seams popular. or maybe they just didnt get another good scissor

[bright patio]

it's another source of crit strike multi stacking

with good uptime it's 150% crit multi

so it's huge damage

[hybrid schooner]

i have a bunch of 2lp reens sitting

[bright patio]

but you have to be rly greedy with dmg

atk speed + melee cold or crit multi is great if you can land it

the other affix rolls don't matter too much due to number of hits

really careful use of flame ward and enchant weapon for cleanse, and breaking the habit of panic-evading

[hybrid schooner]

i would have assumed that like 7 7 speed and mele cost damge would be best on both. but they doing like 1 with att and one with mel cold

[bright patio]

having high base melee cold makes your other % mods a lot more value

but also i didn't experiment w/ other slams on it much

and 115% res null potent

[hybrid schooner]

i guess my 2 scissors are decent rn

[bright patio]

the difference wasn't big enough to feel necessary at all

but eye of reen was great for burst phases when he does the donut into his smash

since you can build and maintain stacks longer

it kinda sucks that the best dmg reduction gloves are locked behind the fight that needs so much damage reduction

@hybrid schooner https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/jiesus/character/Jeisus

not this exactly, lotta idol stuff for res

but this was basically what i was using

can't.. find the exact pair i used LMAO

@hybrid schooner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNK1aeNA pulled ideas from this since he had a clear vod with it

[silk pewter]

Spellblade, Level 99

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.1

Class:

Mage (20) / Spellblade (79) / Runemaster (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,983, Regen: 39/s
▸ Mana: 140, Regen: 19.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 224%, Regen: 218/s
▸ Attributes: 19 Str / 103 Dex / 81 Int / 11 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 118% / 113% / 118% / 122% / 118% / 168% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 397
▸ Dodge Chance: 19% (645)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 64% (5,067)

Used skills:

Shatter Strike / Flame Ward / Teleport / Enchant Weapon / Mana Strike

[hybrid schooner]

alright. im still in farm mode for the build. not even slamming stuff yet

[bright patio]

yeah i was in that phase for a looong time, still am. did not expect to clear at all

[nimble rover]

so you are using doom boots. what about doom ring + mourning frost? or it will be too squishy?

[hybrid schooner]

aww boo

77

[molten cobalt]

nice base

seal that attack speed

slap some STR on it

reroll phys res

[hybrid schooner]

does experimental work on imprints

[molten cobalt]

dont know

but experimental is easy to add

you just dont want the t7 to be a prefix

since it'll likely eat the t7 then

[hybrid schooner]

ya i had a 77 i did yesterday thinking it would keep the t7. made t3

they were perfect too

[molten cobalt]

got quite a few potential upgrades in terms of lp items

but no slam bases

[hybrid schooner]

ye i been sitting on some lp3s for a week

i mean they prob gonna bric anyways

[molten cobalt]

yeah

got lp3 criterion

and mana guide

and cleaver

[bright patio]

if i get an lp3 idk why i get excited, because i'm always too terrified to slam it HAHAHA

[molten cobalt]

just yolo it

send it

[bright patio]

yolo'd it, just because it's common lmao

not great but still good since i'm using avoidance anyway

was t6/t7 but only hit t6 health lol oh well

[hybrid schooner]

you shatter strike all the time?

or just for uber

also why dont yall use the mourningfrost boots for the +1 mele cld damage per dex. would be huge

would be pretty tough to stack more phys and cold res tho

[bright patio]

shatter always

and don't need the damage

[hybrid schooner]

stymie boots all the time or foot of mountain

-6 mana cost prob feels pretty good

[molten cobalt]

lost count by now

these fkers just refuse to land on t7 effectiveness and t7 all res

[thin gorge]

Hi guys, I am going to slam 2LP cleaver, aside from apply shock on hit, what else is good that scales with our damage? same question for other equipment. thanks!

[molten cobalt]

penetration

[cunning lynx]

Should I be going for strength or dex stacking t-pose rm?

[molten cobalt]

im not sure how thats a legit question

they have different areas of use

[thin gorge]

What element? any?

or spell

[molten cobalt]

bruh

activate those brain cells

[fervent ledge]

It's probably because of snap shotting but the lp1 of this Str build takes me further than lp1 of any acolyte or Primalist builds I tried

And it's so easy and tanky

[molten cobalt]

thats the chest armor

3% multiplicative damage per str

so that 1 lp essentially made your damage go x1.5

[celest rain]

Has anyone managed to make a Disintegrate build work? Something like this??? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy7bDKaQ

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Mage (25) / Sorcerer (88)

General:

▸ Health: 1,994, Regen: 43.66/s
▸ Mana: 823.98, Regen: 23.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 306%, Regen: 175/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 16 Dex / 116 Int / 16 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 190% / 91% / 115% / 121% / 95% / 81% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 641
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (76)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,947)

Used skills:

Disintegrate / Flame Ward / Arcane Ascendance / Focus / Black Hole

[celest rain]

Or is standing still just too much of a detriment?

With mana regen active during Disintigrate now and all the defensive buffs you can have between that and Flame Ward I was hoping you could tank quite a bit, especially because you don't have to stat for crit and can just sta for DoT and Tank.

[lapis harbor]

I tried disintegrate till like lvl 80 but ye its terrible

We never get tanky enough to facetank mechanics, disintegrate damage is really lackluster for us being forced to stand still and it also kinda needs to ramp to level 2 for it to not tickle the enemies

And also even with mana regen if u go double beams u run out kinda fast

[frozen sentinel]

Is there a way to turn shatter strike into lightning instead of cold?

[frozen sentinel]

Want to find a use for this, but nothing comes to mind from any of the classes.

[unborn ravine]

any of you guys have any good builds for runemaster?

[spare vessel]

if u want my opinion, dont look for "good" builds

just play what is most fun to you

in fact sometimes the stronger builds make the game boring until u reach high corr

so weaker and fun >>

[celest rain]

I mean I would think that wouldn't be a big deal because doing the math here, even with double beams it would still take a full, uh, 40ish seconds to drain that entire mana bar assuming you're just standing there casting? You're going to have to reposition occasionally, so the higher burst damage at the cost of mana seems fine. As long as you recast within ~3 seconds it'll start at Tier 3 immediately due to Resurgence.

I can't imagine you'd ever actually stand in one spot for 40+ seconds straight just holding the right button down.

Black Hole will help buy you some time, but not forever.

[harsh abyss]

This is the way. LE is the best suited ARPG to just... try stuff out. Most builds can take you to at least 300c and probably kill aberroth if you're willing to farm the right gear.

[celest rain]

If you take the Acuity trait for Arcane Ascendance, can you still cancel the spell early or are you actually trapped for 12 whole seconds?

[harsh abyss]

If you use the 4 "charges" it ends automatically

[celest rain]

What if you don't though?

Like if I cast it and stand there Disintegrating and never use all 4, can I cancel it early?

or is it only a Toggle with it's base skill?

[celest rain]

This guy seems to have pulled off something very similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgwPO77N-ls

1K corruption according to title

And only 1 skill different than mine

[molten cobalt]

where do prophecy lenses go when you go to a telescope and use SHIFT+click to use a lens?

because the lens just poof vanishes

[harsh abyss]

Bottom left of the screen

There's 3 slots

[spiral viper]

are there any mage skills/passives/items that scale damage off ward amount?

[molten cobalt]

no

it vanishes

[harsh abyss]

There's a sword, Chronostasis, but it's hard to use effectively

It eats your ward every melee attack to do more damage. It's probably not worth using at this point; it's a unique that hasn't been updated since you were able to reasonably generate 30k+ ward. With the current ward numbers, it eats too much ward for you to be able to reasonably generate enough to feed it

[spiral viper]

thanks, i see. ill try it anyway just for lulz

[harsh abyss]

You'll have to let us know if it works 👍 Sometimes the lulz builds turn out to be awesome

[stark cove]

Is lighting Meteor always better then Fire Meteor ? Im currently on fire and i wanna know before im gonna switch 🙂

[harsh abyss]

What makes it good is there's the Stardust node that is basically 80% more damage for lightning meteor. It requires more levels of investment and it's harder to get the "storm of meteors" nodes, but it can be really good

But also, it looks way cooler IMO

[prime whale]

can't find a red ring for 2 days and 400K favor

connect, kill 3 monsters and drop 1 on the ground

makes sense

[harsh abyss]

I dropped 200k last night on ring prophecies and none of dropped from me, so I feel you

[marsh dirge]

guys

what's build called "autobomber" ? like HOT(thunder) from poe?

i need this build on LE rn

im playing mage sorc

[celest rain]

Okay new updated dream build: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A8aMdd8Q

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (93)

General:

▸ Health: 2,086, Regen: 43.66/s
▸ Mana: 949.25, Regen: 25.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 306%, Regen: 294/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 16 Dex / 116 Int / 16 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 172% / 73% / 97% / 103% / 77% / 63% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 664
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (76)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,080)

Used skills:

Disintegrate / Flame Ward / Arcane Ascendance / Focus / Black Hole

[celest rain]

2000% increased Fire DoT damage

[uneven ember]

im doing something idiotic with focus and meteor and fire aura on crit

[harsh abyss]

You might want to convert your black hole to fire, that way it scales with all of this too

[celest rain]

The Black Hole is just for CC mainly

I want the Freeze/Pull/Blind

Fire gets rid of two of those

and tbh my Cold still has 1600% DoT dmg which buffs Black Hole

[harsh abyss]

Fair I guess

But it can also scale ignite with fire resist, which is obviously real good for Aergon's

[celest rain]

I think I'll be generating enough Ward as is tbh

You might be right though, I just wanted to theory craft to see how crazy the numbers could get

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I was imagining that you'd use Disintegrate to wipe screens, then be able to drop black hole on bosses and stuff as additional damage

But using BH to pull/freeze large groups makes sense so they're all bunched up to be hit by disintegrate

[celest rain]

Ye that was my thought process

Pull it all together, blast it

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, could be strong for monos

[celest rain]

And on bosses the Freeze helps with survivability.

[harsh abyss]

You can't really freeze bosses that matter though

They just have too much hp

[celest rain]

Ye that's fair

which is why Black Hole isn't spec'd for dmg

[harsh abyss]

yeah

[celest rain]

It still Blinds them

Should still pull them too

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, you'll have to report on how it feels to play, the feel of a build is more important than the viability, I find

[celest rain]

Yeah that's fair

[harsh abyss]

Things that feel good to play are easier to push higher than things that feel like garbo

[celest rain]

It's mainly gonna be Evade/Focus around, stop, press Flame Ward + Ascendance and then spam Black Holes and Disintegrates.

Got a bit of everything

Buffs, movement, beeg damage, CC AoE stuff, etc.

Started the character last night so I'll be giving it more of a whirl tonight.

Will take a couple days to get to lvl 85 tho

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, makes sense

[molten cobalt]

i have a feeling they aint gonna fix channeling bug

[harsh abyss]

My infinite lightning blast build is kind of similar

They will, it may just be a complex fix

[molten cobalt]

just undo whatever they did to fk it up

[celest rain]

Wut bug?

[molten cobalt]

cant use flame rush while channeling focus

void knight is impacted too

[celest rain]

Oh... I mean does that really matter?

[harsh abyss]

It's not the simple with software development sometimes. Doing that can cause more problems than it solves.

[celest rain]

90% of the time I see people use Focus it's for Traversal

Unless you do the Static Bomb build

I guess Flame Ward would be nice to be able to use for that

[harsh abyss]

Well, I don't know if you're supposed to be able to channel 2 spells at once

[molten cobalt]

it basically bricks an entire build

which just so happens to be the top mage build

and it keeps me from even attempting uber aberroth

until they fix it

so yeah it fkn matters

[celest rain]

Which build?

[molten cobalt]

brand autobomber

[molten cobalt]

you're not

flame rush cancels focus

so it aint two skills at the same time

and this is how it works with every skill

[harsh abyss]

Ah, so you're trying to just keep holding Focus down while flame rushing?

[molten cobalt]

can hold one in and intermittently press another and that one takes prio

and then back to the one you're holding down

[molten cobalt]

yup

like you can with every other skill

like this for example

[harsh abyss]

🤷‍♀️ I'm sure they'll fix it

[weary hamlet]

they will be fixing it as rapidly as they did spark nova

or that double saber active bug

[molten cobalt]

@harsh abyss this is how it works with every other skill

you can keep one pressed down, then you tap another and that one gets temp prio and when done you instantly revert to the one being pressed

[harsh abyss]

Yeah it's probably just a channeling-specific bug. Like I said I'm sure they'll fix it, it may just not be quite as simple as "revert the change"

[gaunt plank]

Best slam for a 1 LP Nihlis on a cold build that uses mana for DR? Unsure if I should go flat mana or just damage

It's probably just mana

[celest rain]

Mana

[harsh abyss]

Mana or Penetration or Ward Threshold+Ward/sec

[gaunt plank]

Ward threshold could be good too, hmm

I guess ward threshold is better because I'm constantly casting the big ward invocation

[full bluff]

Can I do uber aberoth with this setup, normal one is easy https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjPVoeb5acgumIWDhDONexA

[harsh abyss]

It's tough to tell other people what their success will be for it, you'll have to give it a shot and see

How well you play also has a lot to do with it

[idle shard]

Is Meteor top-tier yet?

[hybrid schooner]

breh i have 6 of these lp4, just seams a waste not to pick it up

[harsh abyss]

Honestly I bet there's something you can do with them to make them good. With enough block chance, you could block/dodge enough attacks to be super defensive

[nimble rover]

this shield is used for bleed multistrike paladin. to convert all dodge into endurance tr.

[harsh abyss]

Ah yeah, with boots of the mountain, that's probably pretty solid

If nothing else, you could make the best leveling shield ever, heh

[hybrid schooner]

right, lol

[edgy charm]

spell blade go brrrrrt

[prime whale]

26 M tick not bad

[hybrid schooner]

has to be a double tick

sometimes it puts 2 in 1

[harsh abyss]

I've been theorycrafting a build that gets up to 6 APS, it might be fun

[prime whale]

hmm yeah might be

[hybrid schooner]

but ya its about where im at too. solid

unfortunately we dont generate dik for runic energy so we lose like half our damage after the first hit

[prime whale]

I think you can go even higher with CCL

[hybrid schooner]

that was light web right

[prime whale]

yeah

[hybrid schooner]

i think it should be higher ya

[prime whale]

the 2nd cast would be buffed by the shock chance

but you would lose the runic energy yeah so not sure

[hybrid schooner]

ohh it only does the extra shock after consumig?

how long does buff last

i tested web against that before not knowing it was second cast. web was higher but i didnt do another

if there was a way to gen runic energy...

[prime whale]

not very long

and to regen runic energy youd need to spam wall

idk if that cancels the wall buff or not

[hybrid schooner]

yep

no it doesnt

it actually ives u more damage if its active

[prime whale]

ah really

then maybe you can lightning web

cast a few walls

then equip julras ring and cast again

[prime whale]

and that would give u the highest dmg possible

[hybrid schooner]

ya i forgot about julras

[prime whale]

or maybe the runic energy lost isnt worth the light web shock chance buff

ill try when i upgrade my gear a bit more

[hybrid schooner]

brother this is getting ridiculous.. 11 bricks on double t7 2lp shield

[quasi wasp]

anyone know if you run crest of unity (your elemental nova is tri-element), does throne of ambition no longer affect the damage? or do your novas now do 33% of each element so fire/cold will still do more damage, or does it count as all 3 at once so it does more damage overall?

[hybrid schooner]

isnt throne only off mele hits

i do know each nova has its own scaling. so they do full damage

[harsh abyss]

Fire and cold will still do more damage

[prime whale]

what exactly does this do ? does it upgrade the tiers of the item ?

[hybrid schooner]

swaps that text for an implicit roll

[harsh abyss]

So effectively instead of 40% more damage at max stacks (if you were using fire or cold), it's 26% more "overall" damage

[quasi wasp]

thanks, i was inspired by your build so i wanted to try my hand at a prism/nova build lol

[harsh abyss]

It's pretty snazzy. Throne is definitely worth using, but only really matters on long fights.

[harsh abyss]

Nah, just hits in general

[prime whale]

ah it upgrades the base

kinda disappointing

[edgy charm]

mines just an alt leveling setup before i swap to runemaster later but the more i play spell blade the more i wanna cook on it

never played spellblade until now

crazy tooltip for level 60 with random twink gear

wait im 70 now lmao, its so fast

[nimble rover]

damage is not a problem for spellblade and never was

[edgy charm]

probably uber abby viable yeah? squish but plenty of damage

[nimble rover]

ye

[manic drift]

What uniques did u use?

[edgy charm]

sec

2 of the swords and 2 of the rings

and this

then once high enough i threw these on

[manic drift]

Ait 👍🏻👍🏻

[celest rain]

If you're wearing both Seed of Ekkidrasil and Wall of Nothing, assuming high rolls, do their "chance for hits to do 0 damage" percentages stack additively, meaning you now have a 24% chance to take 0 damage, or is it two separate rolls every time? One at 16% and one at 8%.

Cause if they roll separately that means you have worse odds than if they just additively stack.

[nimble rover]

they are additive

[celest rain]

So 24%?

Excellent if true.

[nimble rover]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[unreal turtle]

is there an elemental nova build that can do like 300 corruption?

[harsh abyss]

I'm pretty sure my gordian prism build could do it, I haven't pushed it up there yet though

[celest rain]

Thanks

[floral pier]

I tried with absolutely cooked gear, +10 helmet, unstable core, shattered worlds + nihilis stacking ele damage, crit etc. I couldn't get the damage out of it, I wanted to use it with teleport and tons of CD reduction to just dash through mobs then single cast on rares/bosses but no luck. I'm not much of a build maker but so someone else might figure it out

It sucked at regular lv 90 mono, 300 corro I don't know, on a level 100 sorc also

[karmic schooner]

Hello guys quick question, which is better for shatterstrike, the kestrel or wings of argentus?

[solemn viper]

If you have a 3 lp kestrel use it until you can get a 1 lp wings with a high cold damage

+4 shatter strike is always the most important slam

[karmic schooner]

Thanks alot!

[hybrid schooner]

alright i beat the game

[nimble rover]

sexy

not 1400 tho haha 😄

[hybrid schooner]

ya shit,

brick

[warped crow]

i still think sorcerer should play more into mana as defense ... instead of just using it to scale ward

expecially when ward is kinda spellblades thing (litterally breathing as spellblade generates ward kek)

give cerulean runestone to sorc instead of runemaster

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it's always bothered me that Cerulean Runestone is in runemaster

[warped crow]

ye been saying that since runemaster released that its kinda just there kek

[harsh abyss]

I also think mage needs more attribute diversity. Even with the nerfed int, the main way to scale 2/3 of the mage trees is by scaling int (or Str -> Int with Cleaver)

Like give Sorc/RM some attunement scaling or something to diversify things

[warped crow]

sorc with attunement would be nice

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, and it would make sense because mana

[warped crow]

mana scaling and all

ye

i do think spellblade using dex feels weird tho

[harsh abyss]

Give attunement scaling to some of the spells too, with some mana-related stuff. Like Focus giving more mana regen per attunement, or static orb getting more damage from attunement, etc.

[nimble rover]

well rm has attu scaling with criterion

[warped crow]

cheater

lol

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, but that's just a unique. It needs more inherent attribute stuff

Though, I guess rogue is kinda the same way. They scale only off dex really

[nimble rover]

i would agree with sorc and attu scaling tho. rm idk why it should be like that

[warped crow]

give sorc a passive that doubles the mana gained from attunement too ... like how void knight gets +2 to health per vit

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that would be awesome

[nimble rover]

balista scales with int

[hybrid schooner]

idk why mage would use criterion to scale damage from atunement. off hand i dont know any of our spells that scale from attunement naturally

[nimble rover]

hydrahedron

[harsh abyss]

And move Wisdom beyond the chain and make it give +1 flat mana regen per 100 mana with the threshold bonus

[warped crow]

YES PLEASE

i said that back before they buffed wisdom

that it should raise the base regen based on max mana

[harsh abyss]

I get why they don't want to have many sources of scaling flat mana regen, but when you have 1000+ mana, you NEED more flat regen

[hybrid schooner]

IMO rolld back the nerf on intel ward retention. anybody intel based took a double hit on the ward nerfs

[warped crow]

heck it could even be per like 300 mana

because that +1 is going to be scaled by increased regen

[harsh abyss]

Or make it part of the sorc class bonus

Give people a real reason to play sorc

Other than meteocre

[warped crow]

didnt they gut meteor

cuz the belt change

[full bluff]

Sorc need a nerf, it can still clear 1k corruption super fast

[nimble rover]

there is a new belt which is not very popular to abuse. but when you try it you will be sgocked how much ward you are able to generate

[hybrid schooner]

here you can play both

[warped crow]

i want blackhole to be fun uwu

[nimble rover]

and without nerfed int this belt would be even more broken

[warped crow]

you know the void nemesis boss and how it creates the black hole with the projectiles spiraling into it ... they should give that to our black hole xD

shooting fireball at it makes them spiral into the black hole

xD

might even work with volcanic orb

[hybrid schooner]

that would be dope. so you can put a hole down and kind shot the fireball in any direction while moving

cast fireball wil moving, yes

[warped crow]

lol

[hybrid schooner]

drop the hole under the boss so you can run around blasting

[warped crow]

also make black hole as a main skill easier to build cuz i saw that cost of the dreadful ignite black hole build lel

[harsh abyss]

Or it sucks them in and spits out a bunch of little ones, kinda like shrapnel

[warped crow]

make it make the black hole bigger once it absorbs them

[hybrid schooner]

then a meteor falls when the hole ends and does a % of the total damage at the time

[warped crow]

so like it synergizes with fireball by making it hit more if it has peirce but then fireball is also making the black hole beefier

xD

[harsh abyss]

Or maybe meteor does like WAY more damage to things in the center of the black hole

[warped crow]

or or or

[harsh abyss]

Or some synergy with Static Orb where static orb pulls things into the black hole, heh

double pull action

[nimble rover]

this could work. because i do not believe in bh as main damage source

[warped crow]

black hole gets bigger and takes longer to go away because your constantly feeding it

owo

it will decay faster the longer its out tho so eventually it will outpace your fuel

idk

brain hurt

[harsh abyss]

Does more damage and has more area the more things that have died within its radius would be rad

[nimble rover]

but if they add the node with " black hole deal x% of damage dealt by meteors while duration ends" it could work also

[warped crow]

lol

new passive to spit projectiles out as a void variant at the end of the black hole

xD

nah idk probably too far

lel

[nimble rover]

well you can also add new unique with converting all sources of penetration into void penetration from sorc tree. and meteor is converted to void

[warped crow]

not mage related but i think chronowarp should be triggerable with volatile reversal now too ... it just fits

[nimble rover]

void mage

[warped crow]

ye

[rugged bronze]

Black hole idea goes crazy

[warped crow]

lol

[nimble rover]

it always should imo.

[rugged bronze]

If they buffed and take into account for meteor skill lvl up with the meteor node bh goes crazy

[harsh abyss]

Definitely put it in the suggestions shannel

[warped crow]

lol

[warped crow]

which section?

[harsh abyss]

Probably #1210288709543403520

[warped crow]

done uwu

[hybrid schooner]

yo anybody know if imprinting experimental item works?

[scarlet pewter]

It does at least on the champion imprint, haven’t tried on the others - but was able to get sealed experimentals that way (tho have yet to get an exalt even with a double exalted experimental item)

[hybrid schooner]

man the top left imprint is bogus

i had an item set swaped piece there and it would almost wlays produce a seald affix of that set affix. but NEVER above t4, and it was a t7

i had it there for the longest time

[scarlet pewter]

have we got an update on flame rush while channeling yet? Got my guy high as I’m willing to grind and ready for uber Abby but just been sitting for a couple days waiting at this point

[hybrid schooner]

no

[steady pewter]

Perhaps a bit of an overreach on proc shenanigans, but is Mana Strike into proc Frost Claw into proc Lightning Blast feasible?

[hybrid schooner]

dont know but im guess it only procs off direct casts.

[steady pewter]

Would be a shame. Mana Strike isn't needed persé but it procs frost claw at 80% cost

[weary hamlet]

sure, it's basically the old proc build, goes well with static since you generate a lot of crits per second

use dagorath's claw

[steady pewter]

That was the idea yeah, workshopping what base items I'd work towards

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it's one of the more solid spellblade builds

Mana strike keeps your mana up, frostclaw clears, and LB is great for single target

[steady pewter]

What's the divide on cold vs lightning? Both seem pretty powerful (cold just making LB beams whereas lightning seems to get much more damage off through static, shock charges and uniques like Oceareon?)

[harsh abyss]

If you're gonna go hit-based, lightning is usually better. If you're gonna do DoT, go frostbite

All 3 skills can be either element

[steady pewter]

Any differences on skill 4 and 5? I assume lightning just chucks in static for extra LB procs, cold something like Fire Wards and both use Teleport?

[harsh abyss]

If you wanna go full proc-ville, you could spec ele nova and make your frost claws cast ele nova as well. But yeah usually Flame Ward and then either teleport or flame rush or something else specc'd to move you around

[steady pewter]

Oh my, I forgot about the nova node on frost claw....

[prime whale]

put uber aberroth to 30%, well I'll try again tomorrow

[celest rain]

@molten cobalt FYI, just channeled Focus and casted Flame Ward at the same time and it did not interrupt my Focus, which continued to channel until I let go.

So whatever bug you're talking about isn't happening to me.

Also for the record I did it with Static and the suicide bomber necklace as well and my Focus continued to channel. If you'd like to join a VC with me at some point this week I can demonstrate it to you on video.

[left hill]

does Frostbite applied by Shatter Strike only get Attribute scaling from Intelligence and no scaling from Dexterity? since Shatter Strike's Dex scaling is 4% Melee Damage and +1 Cold Melee Damage?

[hybrid schooner]

hmm

frostbite scales off damage over time, and $ cold damage

%

also frostbite duration is a big one

[harsh abyss]

It also inherits increased damage from the skill that applies it, so you're correct, the "increased melee damage" won't affect frostbite damage

[hybrid schooner]

if youre doing full frostbite with it you gonna want ele DOT, frostbite duration,frostbite on hit

[harsh abyss]

It will get the 4% increased cold damage from int, but not the 4% increase melee damage from dex

[left hill]

thanks, that's what I was wondering. appreciate it

[harsh abyss]

NP, it's a very specific question

[left hill]

also, if you convert Ignite to Frostbite with the Chillflame node of Shatter Strike, does it convert at the current remaining duration (e.g. Ignite with 2.25s left becomes Frostbite with 2.25s left), or does it scale to the same proportion of elapsed duration? (e.g. Ignite with 2.25s left is 90% of the duration, so 90% of Frostbite's duration would be 2.7s)

or does it just turn it into a fresh stack with 3s left on it?

[hybrid schooner]

i want to say full duration, but not sure

its gonna get converted nearly instantly anyways

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that's one you might have to test yourself, IDK

[hybrid schooner]

@left hill if u goin full FB, take a look at sword Eye of reen. idk where else you can get that amount of ignite on hit. its a lot

[left hill]

Oh, I know about Eye of Reen, yeah. I'm just mathing around with weird ideas right now though and was looking at Jasper's actually

[harsh abyss]

Jasper's can do it, but it's tough to build around.

[hybrid schooner]

also those little ice cicle you can make shatter strike shoot out. those can all apply frostbite too. they are a hit

[left hill]

I've been wondering about those--how do they interact with increased area affixes? do you get more icicles, or same number and they're just more spread out?

[hybrid schooner]

idk if they are area scaling but the bigger your SS arc is the further out they should start and travel. they go pretty far if you spec in. they half quite a lot with your clear speed

and general frostbite application

[left hill]

hmm, guess I'll put it on my to-test list. It's something I'm curious about for another very off-the-wall weapon choice with Shatter Strike, which is World Splitter

[harsh abyss]

Alright, I'm gonna do the thing:

[hybrid schooner]

pewpew, get that lightening aegis

shit is the the best DR mage has but only a few setups have access to it

[harsh abyss]

I'm gonna do something a bit weird with it I think

Damage taken as mana before health + Mana stacking mana strike + lighting blast trigger + fc trigger. Kinda combo all of it together so that I'm generating pretty decent ward, use wall of nothing + seed to transfer damage to mana + lightning aegis...

Might be a tanky boi

oh, also foot of the mountain to convert dodge to endurance threshold so 100% of my life is covered by endurance

[hybrid schooner]

hope it works as expected

[harsh abyss]

it feels like it should work, my main concern is resists, right now

[dark jewel]

anyone actually tried void volcanic orb build with any success out of curiousity?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, VO used to be super popular

[molten cobalt]

If you quickly tap flame rush it will indeed go “long” but also the entire length and get stuck and force you to cancel the animation. If you hold flame rush down it will go nowhere and explode where you stand. It’s not just me, it’s everyone having this issue

[celest rain]

I tried holding it and tapping it

both worked

dunno

never left Focus til I let go of the button and then it turned off as it should

[hybrid schooner]

flame rush is suppose to travel pretty far not just dead end right in front of you

[spare vessel]

Most fun runemaster builds you know? I dont care if its super strong or high corruption viable

im thinking to make one with the scales offhand

[blazing root]

Am I correct that there's no way to make frostclaw (lightning converted) trigger spark charges? Trying to think if there's a way to amp up clear (mana strike to trigger FC, with FC specced to crit and -area tag for the +hits on enemy. Also, running weaver's essence, so no spark charge catalyst for me)

[hybrid schooner]

i mean it use to trigger spark charges

but that may have been coming from the elemental novas

[blazing root]

on release I played a full chaos runemaster, it was pretty fun. one of each element on bar (I think glyph, frost wall, and maybe ward, but I can't remember the 3rd one) + RI + runebolt. Runebolt set to randomize glyphs, RI set to generate energy+teleport, repeat casts, and trigger abilities off of bar. Literally gameplay was runebolt > RI to teleport and throw out like... 6 random things, then repeat

[blazing root]

I'm pretty sure there was nothing in the tree that does spark charges unless it is under a wording I somehow missed

[hybrid schooner]

you need to spec in ele nova also

it was a super meta build before

[blazing root]

Yeah, doesn't work for me, shame

[hybrid schooner]

theres also the offhand

[blazing root]

have FC/mana strike/flame ward/surge/elemental weapon or whatever it is called spec'd

no offhand, using 2h

[spare vessel]

you made it yourself, or is there a guide i can check as a base to start from and modify?

[hybrid schooner]

hmm for mana strike, it still counts as a mele even if you range it. there are idols for spark charge on mele hit i think

[blazing root]

I might have used a guide but it was so long ago that I don't know tbh, I also semi-winged it because I know some of the things I did must have been off-meta (but just goofy)

[blazing root]

yeah, that is basically all I have atm--but I don't think it is really helpful, since it doesn't ever have a good aoe, and if I'm meleeing I'm also yeeting lightning claws at them already lol

[spare vessel]

I may try the scales offhand one

seems fun

[blazing root]

I see no reason why scales offhand with a focus on two elements wouldn't necessarily work, at least in some capacity

Probably* lightning/fire, since you'd have access to the ones I favor (spreading flames helps early clear, iirc one or two of the lightning ones are quite good, the hedron lad, etc)

[spare vessel]

yeah and i dont really care for a build to be strong, i just want something that is a lot of fun 🙂

[blazing root]

I'm personally doing oops-all-novas Runemaster as well so yeah

[spare vessel]

I mean I played paladin at first and it was strong and boring. thats why i switched to Runemaster

[hybrid schooner]

while leveling i had scales on cause its all i had. only was scaling frost. it was a real dog when it was on cooldown

[blazing root]

I don't remember if I've ever actually done a mage w/o somehow having firestarters and such

[spare vessel]

haha well u were better off just using a rare or exalted offhand one then?

if u were just doing frost

[hybrid schooner]

ye prob

[spare vessel]

honestly I prefer builds that are fun in this game even if they are weak. grinding corruption with something super strong is just boring

[hybrid schooner]

@blazing roottheres also affixes on like helm and chest i think for spark on mele

[spare vessel]

where as with a weaker build you have fun and get some challenge

[blazing root]

yeah, but again, that means that I'm only really applying charges when I'm already statistically yeeting out my frostclaws 😢

[hybrid schooner]

@blazing rootim confuses, arent you attacking with mana strike

oo claw right, u said something about mana strike

[blazing root]

yeah mana strike into claw

[hybrid schooner]

does not compute, i dont understand

[blazing root]

triggering frostclaw w/ mana strike lol

not direct casting claw

[hybrid schooner]

you have this right

i still dont see anything about mana strike making claws

[blazing root]

spellblade passive to cast fc on melees

[hybrid schooner]

ooo

[blazing root]

and yeah, gotta do some math basically and figure out if spark charge will actually help

there's a node somewhere but now I don't remember what tree it is on (so idk if it is global) that converts +melee to +spell from weapon

if global, then spark charge will Actually maybe be useful

[hybrid schooner]

hmm

[blazing root]

yeah just a FC node

Glamdring: adds spell dmg per 3 added melee damage

Could get more out of it if I somehow either get better mana (so I can drop a point or two off of mana efficiency in FC) or get another +2 levels 🤔

...is there anything other than relics/weapons that add skill levels lol

Pretty sure no, but I don't know every possible variation on the text for LET (like added spell levels for lightning things, etc)

[molten cobalt]

Different skills go on different pieces

Helmet and chest piece can have ranks to skills too

[blazing root]

Should've specified for FC or general pieces, like the +to insert damage type minion skills stuff like the Lachesis staff have

Or is +5 frostclaw the best possible without using wep slot?

[warped crow]

yes there arer

theres a chest that gives +1 to every element skill

[edgy charm]

swapped to frozensentinels strength stacking tpose

super awkward at first but think im getting the hang of it

[molten cobalt]

Used to not be awkward at all

[edgy charm]

?

[molten cobalt]

Then they broke channeling

[edgy charm]

ok so its not just me

the flame rush

[molten cobalt]

You used to be able to seamlessly use flame rush while channeling focus

Unhindered

[warped crow]

unstable core +1 to fire cold and lightning

uh

that one relic that everyone uses

unique

[molten cobalt]

Twisted heart

[warped crow]

ye that

+1 ele skills with a lvl 80 or 70 staff

i forget

[hybrid schooner]

you need twisted heart ill get you one if u want. i always have that boss ready to go

add skrrizzle

[edgy charm]

ah yeah that would help a lot, i have to temp stop focus, flame rush, back into focus. and flamerush seems to have its old issues of sometimes channeling fully without being able to stop it lol

[molten cobalt]

I’m swimming in those too

I even hide 0lp twisted

[molten cobalt]

That’s if you while still holding focus do a quick tap and don’t hold in FR

Then it goes without stopping like that

They really broke it

[edgy charm]

was this from the recent patch

that also affected warpath

must just be channeled all around

[molten cobalt]

Yes

[warped crow]

part of me wishes every equip level was capped at like 50 ... but another part of me finds it weird when a 100 corruption exclusive zone drops a lvl 40 item

[molten cobalt]

Not just focus

[edgy charm]

hmm, fun build anyway, maybe ill shelve it til they fix the bug and go work on a bosser

[hybrid schooner]

trista u want a heart? will only take a few seconds

[warped crow]

im cof

[molten cobalt]

He is too

[warped crow]

ic

[molten cobalt]

You can gift

If in same party when it drops

[warped crow]

its fine tho dont need it

uwu

[proud swift]

When Frost Wall auto casts Rune Bolt and Lightning Blast does it also use stats from my gear like cast speed?

[bright patio]

Only works on direct casts, so cast speed only impacts frost wall

[proud swift]

ty

Lightning Blast auto casted by Frost wall triggers the Chain Lightning node from Lightning Blast?

[harsh abyss]

Chain Lightning yes, Arcing Power no

[proud swift]

Thank you. I love your videos ❤️

[left hill]

12% chance with Fragment of the Enigma on hit (with its ridiculous 20 hits per direct cast)
42% chance to trigger Elemental Nova (per cast), spec Elemental Nova for 100% chance to apply a Spark Charge, plus Elemental Nova also gets the 12% chance
other procs (there are loads you can layer onto Frostclaw) for more shots at the 12%

[blazing root]

Yeah, so SOL in my case. Oh well. I'll do some math to see if surge with spark charge deals more dmg than surge with +melee lightning nodes, since that'll boost the clear for now before I gear better

[left hill]

If you're proc'ing Frost Claw off of Mana Strike, you can still get 5 hits per Frost Claw all with the 12% chance

and the Elemental Nova chance

FC+Ele Nova would average out to 1.07 Spark Charges per Mana Strike (not counting Mana Strike's own shot at the 12%, so 1.19 with that, and more with Mana Strike's own Spark Charge node and idols and helmet affix), assuming you have both the 20% chance to proc Frost Claw Passive and the 30% chance Macahuitl node on Frost Claw.

[boreal widget]

Is it better to run lightning meteors manual casting, or casting via procs from another spell?

[blazing root]

I'd have to drop something else though. I guess I could ditch surge spec but it is cool lol

Enchant weapon has aspd, flame shield has tank and dmg from aura and conversion

[sinful coyote]

coc meteor is dead cuz they nerfed multi meteor node as direct cast only

[boreal widget]

I'm still running lightning meteor once I can beat aberroth with black hole, no intention of having a build that's pushing top numbers t.t

What is CoC though?

[sinful coyote]

C(ast) o(n) C(rit)

refer to that meteor belt

[boreal widget]

Ahhh, yea thats what I was contemplating going for

Since I got 6x 2LP versions of that belt (somehow) despite not targetting it at all

[sinful coyote]

yea they nerfed it on 1.2 so you won't get extra meteors

[boreal widget]

So folks just manually cast it now?

[sinful coyote]

yup

[obsidian agate]

does this apply to brands applied from runic invocation?

or just the invocation dmg

[solemn viper]

Tbh depends on what you use it for, if you need it for clear then probably yes, if you need it for damage is probably the same

The rightmost nodes are direct cast only but the other nodes work with indirect cast as well

And those are the damage nodes

So like you can have 1 big meteor doing a ton of damage

[boreal widget]

I'm just toying around with builds now, need something better than black hole since this build kind of hit a dead end (red rings/aberroth drops are only real upgrades for it beyond lucking out in really good exalts). Damage just isn't there unless I'm missing something :(

[solemn viper]

I was about to switch to black hole to have some fun with it wdym 🥲

[boreal widget]

Yea and since its lightning that 'non fire damage' one affects the whole meteor with it + the crit section of the tree. I can see it working alright. Was thinking of trying to combo it with mana guide lightning flow or machine gun lightning blasts dunno yet.

[boreal widget]

I'm just struggling to find ways to boost damage. Meteors are working alright, and I think I could get Disintegrate to work since they scale the same. Downside is I can't seem to get anything to drop to try this stuff out t.t

[solemn viper]

Yeah that one looks kinda strong

[boreal widget]

I may swap builds to farm higher corruption to get the stuff I need for the black hole build. Like the damage is there (so long the boss isn't teleporting out of the black holes) but its rough. Finally got a 2lP slam of the sword which is nice, and Omnis is letting me replace my rings, but haven't found good rings yet.

[solemn viper]

I was thinking black hole with meteor auto cast for maximum single target dps but i still have to try that

[boreal widget]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ol4Wd33o

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (78) / Runemaster (15)

General:

▸ Health: 1,706, Regen: 29/s
▸ Mana: 381.23, Regen: 18.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 233%, Regen: 140/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 1 Dex / 74 Int / 1 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 133% / 123% / 70% / 100% / 76% / 96% / 177%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 341
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (207)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (976)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 127%

Used skills:

Snap Freeze / Meteor / Flame Ward / Black Hole / Teleport

[boreal widget]

The issue is meteor isn't damage over time, so its hard to overlap buffing both. I only use it for craterborn really and (now) killing all the small mobs. But even with my gear it takes like 3+ casts to kill little guys while black hole vaporizes anything it touches

I need a new chestpiece so bad, have had a 2x T7 one my woven tree for so long and still nothing remotely good has dropped t.t

[solemn viper]

Oh yeah you probably need some better gear ngl, what corruption are you ?

[boreal widget]

Just 300, I'm mostly comfortably clearing except for occasioanl one shots (Rakasha, woven echo lasers on teleporters, that fire archer champion)

[solemn viper]

Well if you can do 300 it means it’s not bad

[boreal widget]

Trying to get a Wall of Nothing to slam

If you want I can stream the build in action, or record a short clip to show what it looks like. I genuinely have no frame of reference of whats a good 'clear speed' supposed to look like

[molten cobalt]

Yes

[boreal widget]

Since outside of general questions I try to avoid looking up videoguides or premade builds

I did get lucky on this though

I didn't even slam it, nemesis just put the stat I wanted on it

[solemn viper]

Mh thing is the only dot you have is black hole, idk if it’s worth to spec so much into it or if you want int

[boreal widget]

It is but black hole is the damage. I could try to move some damage to meteor but since I'm stuck using the sword I'm unsure how well I could make a different fire spell scale. Esp since I have to stop and cast them, black hole I just fire one off and run around while anything it touches ceases to exist

[rugged bronze]

My meteor seem to just melt everything but then again I’m only on dirt low 200 corruption

[boreal widget]

Oh yea, I imagine meteor scales better if built for it. I just really wanted to try and kill aberroth with black hole this season and I will make this work >:(

[solemn viper]

Mh if you want dot maybe you can add disintegrate but then again it’s bad lol

[rugged bronze]

You can it’s not hard I wouldn’t imagine since glove like that spawn fire tornado shred fire res exist

[boreal widget]

Yea the fire tornado thing I want to give a try

[solemn viper]

Don’t they’re bad

I did try then myself lol

[boreal widget]

Think so? Even with like 1000% damage of time for fire?

[solemn viper]

If you want pen there are the other gloves that migh be better

[rugged bronze]

I’m rocking tornado glove with aergon refugee staff seemingly melt everything but again 200 corruption only

[boreal widget]

Sadly Pen is only thing I don't need, I think black hole has over 100% pen already lmao

[solemn viper]

Yeah I mean up until 300c almost everything works

[rugged bronze]

I mean who’s wild enough to push bh and meteor into uber Abby lol

As it stand it struggle for mana

[solemn viper]

That’s exactly what I wanna try lol

[rugged bronze]

Mana guide doesn’t cut it

Mana strike is even worse

[solemn viper]

Was thinking fireball for mana because I hate focus but I doubt it can sustain all that mana

[rugged bronze]

It might if you run caeter and mana efficiency you can spam guessing 4 time before you run out

[boreal widget]

This is what it looks like vs T4 Julra

[solemn viper]

I mean mana guide is probably the best option but I refuse

[solemn viper]

Doesn’t look bad at all lol

[boreal widget]

Yea, its a bit worse if boss loves to move around a lot, aka the dash happy harbringer

[rugged bronze]

That’s a lot faster than my t4 Julra clear

[boreal widget]

omg lmfao

I decided to test this

It only hits when initially cast a single time

[solemn viper]

If dot is the way to go then you need more dot spells

[rugged bronze]

Lmfao

[boreal widget]

Only options are frost wall, fireball ignite stacking, and desintigrate

[solemn viper]

Channeled fireball could be useful as well maybe

[boreal widget]

I tried disintegrate but you can't use the catalyst that makes disintegrate do more than tickle. It was pretty nice because of the globally reduced cooldown. But its just to dangerous to sit still channeling, mana cost was rough, and it still didn't hit hard cause you can't use ingvar's head to make it not trash (

:(

Upside is its fire, and damage over time, so sword gave it +6 skill points

It was also hard to weave in with the 4sec black hole cooldown, and maintaining craterborn. I could do auto-casting meteors but the mana cost is so prohibitive that it stops me casting black holes

[solemn viper]

That’s my idea, for mana fireball but I wanted to spec int and fire damage, wich is the gear I already have, I will try that and I’ll let you know

Lowest corruption I have is 500 so I’ll test there

[boreal widget]

I was looking at flame reave actually, since Sunwreath has fire damage over time as an innate state, and fire damage, and all that. But its only other ability I could think to try.

And using the sword means I can actually cast it

[harsh abyss]

Well, my battlemage's endeavor build is feeling pretty silly. Just a casual 250% increased attack speed

[boreal widget]

Yea nvm flame reave don't hit for jack lmfao

And glyph of dominion is locked out, since it would of been my other choice :(

[boreal widget]

I actually didn't look at desintigtate, it might be best bet if only for ludomancer and global CDR for more black holes. Gonna see if I can't pivot to making that work better. It helps it creates fire auras that also scale ok

[solemn viper]

Wait I just noticed that on the ring, could it be that damage over time applies to everything? Because flame reave doesn’t have the dot tag

[boreal widget]

I believe its cause flame reave has a line for stacking ignite/spreading flames

[solemn viper]

Unless it counts the expanding circle a dot

[boreal widget]

It also has a fire aura stacking in same section, so 3 'dots'

[solemn viper]

Oh that makes more sense lol

[bright patio]

This build looks super satisfying to play tbh, unique playstyle too compared to the SS build im doin

I’m plenty strong w it but might wanna check something like this out, that sword looked super strong for it so I saved one w LP, gonna have to try it sometime

[full kraken]

What build are you using with that?

[boreal widget]

Its fun and unusual! Definitely need to rush CDR on boots/belt (Preferably T6 minimum) to make the black hole cooldown low enough for clearing. The fact it deals 100% more damage and 60% more damage (multi) to bosses the middle touches means it struggles more clearing weaker stuff than bosses lmao

Its noticibly slower to kill if something moves a lot though, aka lady harb t.t

[bright patio]

Tbh same issue with Spellblade just for different reasons; a build w high cdr sounds great too since it’s a pretty viable stat in my current build also

Actually was thinking of making my second LP chain belt CDR so that works out

[boreal widget]

This is what the black hole tree looks like, Pulsar might look tempting but its a trap

[solemn viper]

So yeah fireball doesn’t recover enough mana, meteor just drains mana non stop lol

[boreal widget]

Yea I genuinely dont know how you can generate mana to offset meteor autocasting, wish it was like every 3 seconds instead of one

[solemn viper]

How do you have so many points wtf lol

[bright patio]

Can you get an extra couple t6/t7 mana regen affixes and a good mana one? I know 3 affixes a lot but mana regen is p powerful w a higher mana pool

What tags does black hole have? My shatter strike has 33 bc of the tags so

[boreal widget]

+6 sword, +4 relic, +1 necklace

Its required so that you can stack all the exponential nodes. Its why it hits so hard

[bright patio]

Bruh that omnis is stacked

[solemn viper]

oh the sword yeah

i was trying with aergon

[boreal widget]

ikr? I lucked out hard

[solemn viper]

maybe mana battery meteor and black hole disintegrate

[bright patio]

Might experiment w other passives on other spec skill trees to solve mana issues also

all 4 have some form of pretty good mana management methods (would look now but expedition 33 is calling to me)

[boreal widget]

Before I got the sword, I was using focus in place of teleport and utilizing the mana burst to get mana back between black hole casts. Kinda worked for dealing with the stupidly high mana cost.

[bright patio]

Mana burst do you mean mana strike?

Bc that’s viable also

Requires getting up close but would work wonders

Never used mana burst so idk about it lol

[boreal widget]

No no, the 1 second burst of mana after channeling focus

I'd use it to teleport -> channel one second, then toss another black hole

[bright patio]

Oooh ok yeah that would be a lot more functional w your build lmao

Mana generation in this game is way harder than it should be lmao, you’d think mages would have more options

But I guess mana is the big way to keep people from doing absolutely obscene dmg

[boreal widget]

Finally, now I just gotta find something to slam it with

[solemn viper]

so i did kill heroot and the harbinger at 500 cc

but i would not recommend lol

it took years

i do not have a good sword or relic tho

[boreal widget]

Yea, each level of black hole is multiplicative since every point is a 'more' node

[solemn viper]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B7qjz6OA

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (72) / Runemaster (21)

General:

▸ Health: 3,097, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 407.58, Regen: 17.76/s
▸ Ward Retention: 344%, Regen: 219/s
▸ Attributes: 38 Str / 23 Dex / 98 Int / 11 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 153% / 105% / 113% / 84% / 75% / 141% / 86%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 22%, Threshold: 638
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (121)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 69% (6,116)

Used skills:

Teleport / Flame Ward / Disintegrate / Black Hole / Meteor

[solemn viper]

3k health and 6k armor helped a lot lol

i just lack damage

oh i forgot to fix my idols

not sure aboiut disintegrate, its nice to have but kinda useless

[boreal widget]

Explaination on why sword is so important

Then top node is so that cooldown is only 3-4sec so you can actually keep spamming htem

[solemn viper]

I have 2 black holes active so cd is not an issue, I need binary system but I need a +4 relic and 1 point in sword

Idk where to farm sword honestly

[boreal widget]

Yea, binary is a big deal. More important than top right one

Its super low level and dirt cheap to farm. Drops a ton if you put it into treasure trove drops on weaver tree or just dump a CoF prophecy set into unique 2h swords

[solemn viper]

Tbh the movement node is useless, as soon as the boss moves it’s out of the black hole

[boreal widget]

the harder part is farming the exalt to slam since 2h sword drop chances are trash

It is, but its necessary to reach the 100% damage to rare/bosses (multiplicative)

Without binary and that your black holes are dealing 1/4th the damage of mine

[solemn viper]

Yeah I know but I wanted to see if I could make it move faster

[boreal widget]

Ohh yea

[solemn viper]

Turns out you can’t lol

[boreal widget]

nah bosses move to dang fast lol

[solemn viper]

1 point is enough

[boreal widget]

I considered trying the 'chance to recast' but ultimately its to unreliable since by the time it recasts enemies have moved

[solemn viper]

Still not sure about disintegrate, and I do lack some damage

[boreal widget]

Without Ingvar's head disintegrate is awful 😭

[solemn viper]

You can’t, there is a node on the left that says you can only have 1 black hole each cast

[boreal widget]

iirc that doesn't stop it as its a new one after previous expires. What it does do is prevent binary from making 2 black holes (fire/cold) and puts it back to 1, massive fire black hole

and stops you from grabbing the double cast node

[solemn viper]

Yeah but meteor and black hole are not enough by themselves, i mean they are but it takes forever

[boreal widget]

Does it? You said you didn't have two key nodes for black hole damage. Mines ticking for half a mil. You saw how fast julra melted.

err no, half a mil on training dummy, so 1 million on bosses

[solemn viper]

Yeah but I think 500c bosses are tankier then julra

[boreal widget]

Oh yea, I don't know how far it can go. I'm curious what it'll be like once you can get the necessary points in for damage

I'd push my corruption higher by I need to get some more damage reduction (somewhere)

[solemn viper]

I just said I did 500c heroot and the harbinger lol

[boreal widget]

You also said it was slow but lacked binary D:

[solemn viper]

Yes absolutely, but the issue is still there, the damages are too low, it needs another skill

[boreal widget]

I'd prob try to focus on making the meteor better. Since you're direct casting it, and it has 100% fire pen, it's the best avenue imo

[solemn viper]

Meteor as a mana battery is nice, black hole is great but it needs a more dps spell

[boreal widget]

Mana battery?

[solemn viper]

Tp + meteor for mana

[boreal widget]

Ahhh, that makes sense. This is what I got right now for it. Since I'm dumping crit chance the free crits go a long way

[cloud aurora]

Hello i was wondering considering the overall stats of both wands which one is better for frostclaw please ?

Sorry for the messy quality

[boreal widget]

If you're on PC Shift+Windows key+S and drag to take a screencap, then Ctrl V to paste it in here

[cloud aurora]

i'll try later

gotta go quick but once i'm back

i'll do it

[molten cobalt]

Cant even read the stats

What is that? Italian?

[cloud aurora]

french

sorry for the mess

i'll do my best to sent you a proper screenshot once i'm back home

[boreal widget]

Huh, that was easier than expected

Took a couple attempts to learn it, but beat him with black hole :D

Its pretty easy when your build lets you just move around and not have to stop and cast ever lmao

or be in melee

[peak oracle]

now do uber

[nimble rover]

Normal aberroth was nerfed to the ground this season. Hes basically just a mob with buffed hp

[boreal widget]

I'd have to swap to a more meta build and to lazy for that

[near magnet]

right is better overall

[molten cobalt]

Normal one is a 30 second fight

If even that

Not hard at all

[boreal widget]

Yea, I know if I used a real build or a build guide the game would be a lot easier. I was just seeing how possible it was with only black hole as a build/damage source. Now I can swap to a real build and push corruption lmfao

[molten cobalt]

I always struggle with making alts

I feel pretty done after doing it all with one build

Though I’m not sure I can this season due to them destroying channeling with the bug

Doing uberroth as it is now with brand of deception autobomber is pure cancer

[cloud aurora]

Tyvm❤️🙏🏻 for your answer

[boreal widget]

AWESOME

I tried to put feedback in #1210281911872786482 about black hole and It got censored by discord cause I said black hole so many times it considered it sexual content

[cosmic dove]

One thing I want to try: If you mana stacked this node in focus would be +1000% mana regen if you start channeling when you are 100/1200 mana

[celest rain]

Give plox

[boreal widget]

If you are at negative mana it'd restore like 600+ instantly in the long cooldown version.

[cosmic dove]

I'm not 100% sure on the math but it should be 80 mana/s at least
with archmage at 100% mana returning 20% of each cast
if you dont go the twin meteor path it should be mana positive while BH is dropping meteors every second

[cosmic dove]

it's the long CD that scares me away from that

though

if your meteors cost 52 with 20% back from archmage
you can afford for BH to cast a bunch of meteors with 1200 mana before running out

[boreal widget]

Yea, also I literally cannot post feedback in the feedback channel because discord automod keeps blocking it

and try as I might I cannot figure out what in the post is triggering automod

[cosmic dove]

that's kinda hilarious. I assume you tried typing BH instead of black hole?

[smoky barn]

Runemaster is so fun. I'm trying to run a most likely not optimal build by spamming any rune invocs that I desire by using low cost ele spells to set the runes.

Curious to see how far I can push this.

[boreal widget]

Yeup, that was my initial suspicion. then I thought it was embedded discord link to image. Now I'm baffled

Is it Aberroth? Oro/Aberroth? Singularity? Pulsar?

Nope none of those words. I legit have no clue

Its not the server's filter either, its Discord's

[cosmic dove]

Sadly I doubt very far but I hope you do. I have tried many variations of multiple invocation builds and they are super fun (the anti-autobomber) but not very effective in my experience

[boreal widget]

Alright I'm going crazy trying to figure this out and just going to modmail it