🧙┃mage

[full bluff]

Don't have to stack freeze multiplier, and opens up for boots

the fire boots is an option...

[weary hamlet]

fire boots aint bad if you want to cap crit mitigation on the cheap

and with the improved slamming you can always get your move speed or int if you wish on them

[full bluff]

Maybe something with Enchant Weapon

Never tried it

[weary hamlet]

you always want to include it for ignite pop, free daamge

[north carbon]

mages bros, Glacier Critical Rejuvenation nerf is a problem? I played last league and I want to play it again

[old plume]

hey guys, i got a question about converting elements. I am not sure what the exact meaning of runebolts description is and i cant find a good answer online, please help!

In the Ice Shard passive it's stated that

"The Fire Bolt's base fire damage is converted to cold. Consequently this damage scales with increases to cold damage, but not increases to fire damage.
Ignite chance from all sources is converted to Chill for Runebolt and effects related to ignite now depend on chill instead.
Swaps the Fire Bolt's Fire tag for a Cold tag."

Now, does "Ingite chance from all sources is converted to Chill for Runebolt" mean that i need to get more Ignite chance into my build to make the converted version of Firebold chill more? Or does it just say that the skill now scales with chance to chill?

I am beyond confused, if anyone can explain this in the most simple way possible ill be forever thankful ❤️

[harsh abyss]

Its very simple. If the skill had 160% chance to ignite and 30% chance to chill before, now it just has 190% chance to chill.

It isnt as strong because chill caps at 3 stacks so you generally wouldnt want to convert if you had any intention of stacking ailments

[old plume]

Thank you for your response! Now does "from all sources" mean inside the passive tree or ANY source (I.E. equipment) ?

No i didnt plan anything yet, i wanted to make sure i truly understand the spells before theorycrafting 😊

[harsh abyss]

Yep any source for that ability. If you were to cast fireballs, they would still have your normal ignite chance

[old plume]

so in a world where i converted firebolts to cold i would want cold damage and chance to ignite on my gear?

[harsh abyss]

Mostly just cold damage. Chance to ignite wont be super helpful because even with 20% chill chance you can usually keep your chill stacks maxed.

[old plume]

but it would scale with chance to ignite and cold damage? Thank you very much for your help!

[harsh abyss]

Depends on how fast you're casting though, of course

[placid flicker]

Anyone here who tried and push elemental nova to its limits?

[old plume]

or to be more specific *get effected by

[harsh abyss]

Chill doesnt scale, if you're looking for cold damage over tme, youll want to look at frostbite

Ailment application isnt affected by the damage skills do

[old plume]

sorry my wording is off, but in this case chance to ingite would increase my chance to chill for that specific spell right?

[harsh abyss]

I have an ele nova + grand prism nova build that I'll be trying out

[harsh abyss]

Yep

[old plume]

awesome, thanks so much for the clarification!

[harsh abyss]

Np

[placid flicker]

oh thats interesting, you think it will scale well into endgame?

i am thinking of rolling a sorc as 2nd character and try make elemental nova work

but i guess grand prism nova will be runemaster?

[harsh abyss]

I THINK so, but we'll have to see. Classically ele nova doesnt scale very hard but with the buffs it could be good.

I definitely wouldnt start it since scaling nova to late game requires a few specific uniques, so a second or 3rd character would be fine

Yeo, RM with the Gordian Prism new unique

[placid flicker]

i guess the grand prism nova is unaffected by elemental nova skill tree, right?

[harsh abyss]

Correct, but Runic invocation is a 3-element skill, so its affected by the Invoker set bonus and Unstable Core

[plain garnet]

Correct, but 1.) it has a ton of damage effectiveness and 2.) it triggers multiple casts of ele nova when you press it

[harsh abyss]

And yeah every cast of invocation will cast 4 ele novas, heh

[placid flicker]

hm that sounds quite good

i guess i will give it a shot for sure as 2nd char

[harsh abyss]

We'll see! I might make a build guide for it if no one beats me to the punch. Idk if any creators are looking at it.

[plain garnet]

A well-rolled Unstable Core represents a lot of damage, yeah

[placid flicker]

that would be sweet

[harsh abyss]

I use ele nova for early leveling anyway, so if I random into a gordian prism early on, I may switch to it as my first build

[plain garnet]

Ele Nova is not lacking in more multipliers, it has tons. It just needs flat damage and increased%

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, and a lot of +levels to GET all the more modifiers

[plain garnet]

Right

[placid flicker]

what do you guys think about the channeled version of ele nova?

sounds like a lot damage

but i guess mana sustain will be an issue then

[harsh abyss]

It is, but it wrecks your mana, yeah

If you are planning Sorc, you can mana stack to alleviate that though

[placid flicker]

yeah i was thinking of going sorc, we can respec now into different mastery so no troubles experimenting on one char

[harsh abyss]

Yep

[plain garnet]

Crest of Unity + Unstable Core + T7 ele nova slam on helm is a level 33 nova with good rolls, which is already insane to me

[placid flicker]

yeah true this sounds promising

[harsh abyss]

Guaranteed 1LP slams lets goooo

[plain garnet]

Yep.

[harsh abyss]

And rerolling uniques to get that +6

[placid flicker]

sounds fun

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, lots of good new crafting toys this league.

[placid flicker]

lets pray servers don't melt tomorrow lol

[harsh abyss]

Seriously. I need it because I'm leaving for 3 days on Friday 😢

[placid flicker]

oh yeah i hope for the best

[plain garnet]

Quick napkin math shows an ~8.8x damage multiplier just from the tree for a level 33 nova, ignoring the +140% crit multi and other crit bonuses

[weary hamlet]

yes and self-cast ele nova was utter dog shit before, it was slightly buffed in 1.2 so it's probably 20% better now

[plain garnet]

There are a few ways to improve the damage of a spell. Cast speed, flat damage, %increased damage, %more damage, and crit.

The tree alone, with enough points, gives you all the sources of %more and crit you could ever need, so you just need to solve the main problems of low base damage and cast speed.

Slight 1.20 buffs help here.

[weary hamlet]

yes but chill is not a damaging ailment which is what Zerax was trying to tell you, scaling chill chance is generally worthless

[placid flicker]

yeah but if it was bad last patch that small buff won't help either

[old plume]

yes i figured i made a bad example 😄 i just wanted to know what the wording meant exactly, but thank you ❤️

[harsh abyss]

Thats why I'm pairing it with Gordian Prism. By itself? Not great. With another supporting spell? Maybe decent.

Also Grand Prism Nova is very ele nova themed.

[plain garnet]

It's more than a 20% buff. 120% damage effectiveness is 20%, and then there's another 40% more multiplier on the tree that wasn't available before.

[obsidian quarry]

did i see we can run around while channelling disintegrate now?

[harsh abyss]

No

Only Focus

WASD doesnt let you move while channeling inherently

[weary hamlet]

no, wasd is not changing movement requirements of any skill

[plain garnet]

Considering that, the damage effectiveness of direct cast this patch is about 10.5x as opposed to 6.8x from last patch

[weary hamlet]

yeah this isnt a bad buff but I'm still quite skeptical just because the damage of ele nova used to be so damn low

[plain garnet]

It's about a 44% buff, if my math is correct

So yeah if it was so bad as to be totally unusable last patch it might still not be good, BUT if it was close to usable before it'll be fine now

[harsh abyss]

I'm happy to test it for everyone, I just dont want new players to get baited by it.

[plain garnet]

I'm also not going to make any claims about its effectiveness, but it does look like it has potential to me

[harsh abyss]

Perhaps even.... legendary potential.

[plain garnet]

:0

[placid flicker]

i am so tempted to go self cast elemental nova as my first char

[plain garnet]

With how much more multi this has, flat added spell damage is extremely crucial

[placid flicker]

but i will regret it for sure

[harsh abyss]

I use it for leveling every time. Pick lightning nova and get the spark charge nodes and the early game is a breeze

[placid flicker]

like, what is the sweet spot for farming, 300 corruption is intentended by EHG right?

[indigo dagger]

does Plasma Orb snapshot dmg buff granted by converted flame ward?

[harsh abyss]

Softcap is 1000 I believe, so its worth pushing as close to that as you can comfortably farm

[fervent ledge]

What mage builds will comfy farm 1000 after all the omega nerfs

[harsh abyss]

I think we need to see how the ward nerfs feel to really know

[fervent ledge]

And static orb nerf

And brand of deception

[weary hamlet]

Brand isnt nerfed yet but its current values are due to a bug so its def on the chopping block

although many such bugs had gone unaddressed for years so who knows

[lyric obsidian]

What are looking to be the popular builds this season for mage?

[quick onyx]

Opinions on Dreads Volcanic Orb/Runebolt build? Im tempted to start it, but i want a build that i can scale into engame.

[weary hamlet]

judgment, shield throw, abyssal orb

[fervent ledge]

Rip

[weary hamlet]

it's a pretty good build although I remember arguing with dread for ages that VO was a fully normal and functional skill before he finally deigned to play it and find out that it was, in fact, a fully normal and functional skill

I see no reason why you cant scale it into endgame

you can also pivot into stacking ignite or frostbite via VO, I'm more on the frostbite side personally

[full bluff]

Volcanic orb is great, my favourite mage skill. Lots of different ways to use it. Can make it go long range, stationary, explosive, shrapnel

[quick onyx]

Hey, thanks a ton for the reply. Im a little concerned for its ability to map in higher corruption, because you want the orb to be slow, so the clear might suffer a little?

[lyric obsidian]

Judgement/Shield Throw MAGE?

What did I miss?

[weary hamlet]

it's not that slow, and shrapnel and explosive ground have fairly good area coverage

[weary hamlet]

the joke

[quick onyx]

You mentioned ailments, do you think going frostbite might be better than going a crit variant for lategame scaling?

I am also more of a cold enjoyer when it comes to skills, visuals of cold skills look great in LE imo

[weary hamlet]

not sure if it will be strictly better but might edge it out a bit

[full bluff]

This is 800 corruption with frostbite volcanic orb, with far from optimized gear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu6JGGgK3u0

I think volcanic orb can farm 2k+ pretty easy

[quick onyx]

Looks grat. And exactly what i was hoping to hear! ❤️

[full bluff]

Drawback is that you need to get up close to do decent damage, the faster long range orbs are a bit weak

Ice Barrage gives a 60%x multiplier for cold damage, so it works pretty well with frozen orb

and solves a bit of the range problem

[quick onyx]

Yeah, that is the thing that was mostly worrying me. Maybe there will be a sweetspot for mapping with a few ido swaps for bossing.

[full bluff]

I swap in and out idols with volcanic orb speed for bosses and clearing

speed reduction that is

stationary orb has silly high single target damage

[weary hamlet]

volcanic orb certainly can farm 2k, but what about the rest of your build?

[quick onyx]

My plan at first glance was going for Runemaster with Runebolt*Volcanic orb, Teleport, Ice barrage and Flame Ward

[whole salmon]

Was thinking of starting as shatterstrike spellblade for league start because it's a build I tried and liked in EA and never took into the endgame. However all these paladin options got me second guessing. Convince me to stay the course mage-bros! Haha

[molten cobalt]

so.. how's sorc in season 2?

I have not played since season 1 start

[weary hamlet]

what is dead cannot die

[molten cobalt]

that bad?

if mage is poopoo im skipping LE season 2

preferably sorc, out of the 3

[harsh abyss]

Nah, mage is fine. Some builds got hurt, but there will be lots of options that will take you to at LEAST normal aberroth

And since we dont really know how hard uber aberroth is yet, its hard to say what will be able to beat him

[molten cobalt]

based on the changes coming, what would be the mage builds most likely to be alright?

I don't need bleedin meta, I played freakin sorc in season 1 when it was horseshit, instead of playing runemaster

but i want decent

[whole salmon]

Fire converted Frost claw meteor sorc was dope last season but unfortunately frost claw got nerfed.

[harsh abyss]

Convergence lightning blast is consistently strong for bossing. Pair it with another skill for clearing and you'll never have problems

[full bluff]

I think Glacier is still a good build

[harsh abyss]

Glacier + Static Orb should be strong, yeah. Not for one-shotting bosses like in the past, but it should still be solid.

[molten cobalt]

i always hated frostclaw, so thats fine for me

[harsh abyss]

I'm starting with a channeled lightning blast build and I fully expect to be able to beat aberroth with it.

[molten cobalt]

i think static orb sorc is what i did at launch

cant even remember

glacier was good for lvling i remember

[subtle barn]

my plan is going flame reave spell blade its preformed really well up until now (I was lvl 75 in the lvl 90 echos and not have any problems)

[molten cobalt]

i remember having mana issues with static orb though

also tried the orbiting version like diablo 4 but it was so shit

[fading snow]

just gotta patch the holes with mana strike 😎

[molten cobalt]

yeah i hate that

i despise the entire spender builder setup

some are ok with it, never met anyone who enjoys it

but i personally hate it fiercly

[fading snow]

it's nice to have as an option, if I accidentally build unsustainable mana costs as other classes I have to actually fix the problem. With mage you just throw in mana strike and you've bought time to fix it

[molten cobalt]

fair

[harsh abyss]

Alternatively, you can build a giant mana pool and then use Focus to instantly restore 20-40% of it any time you need to

[fervent ledge]

Will mana guide build be maybe OP

[harsh abyss]

There are a few different versions of it floating around right now I think

It should at least be very strong

[molten cobalt]

mana guide build?

[harsh abyss]

The unique that was so strong that they pre-nerfed it from their initial showcase because it was gonna be hella OP

[tranquil flame]

Mage still s tier or something?

[molten cobalt]

i dont even see whats so OP about it

but then again, i did only play at launch and got bored very quickly because the game was ass

so i dont know much about the game

[odd acorn]

I think this item is OP and will be the top of the cycle.

[fervent ledge]

According to those in beta , no it's the worst now. But it's a small sample size so gotta wait after release to know for sure.

For people to cook

[tranquil flame]

hmm okay lets se.. then i maybe start with aco 😄 just need a good caster

[molten cobalt]

yes this i can see why its powerful

probably a chase item?

[fervent ledge]

I think all classes have casters now

[molten cobalt]

uber boss drop only?

[fervent ledge]

Orb void guy. Tornado bear

[tranquil flame]

i need a caster for all contents 😄 so 500 cor also ubers 😄

[fervent ledge]

Maybe not rogue

[tranquil flame]

so I guess aco will be fine.

[odd acorn]

i thnk uber abberoth

[fervent ledge]

Acolyte will probably have something OP. They always do

[molten cobalt]

is there an elemental caster that isnt mage?

because thats what i want

[fervent ledge]

Shaman and druid

[molten cobalt]

dont care about casting whirlwinds, i want elemental spells

lightning and such

[odd acorn]

shaman)

[fervent ledge]

Druid bear stormbolt build is looking to be super strong

Was not nerfed

[molten cobalt]

shaman huh? what kind of spells does it have?

[clear bramble]

I've seen many people planning mana guide for non-mage builds so obviously no access to Focus, how does that even work

[fervent ledge]

It's more likely druid, and the spell is tornado

[molten cobalt]

pass on tornado

i want fire, ice or lightning

[odd acorn]

Tornado)

[harsh abyss]

The original version cast 3 lightning blasts per second and didn't have the "50% less armor" line. They changed those as nerfs to make it more reasonable.

[fervent ledge]

But most of the DMG from tornado is the lightning bolts it spits out

[odd acorn]

check smite paladin)

[fervent ledge]

But why is that good? One lb per sec seems mid

[molten cobalt]

smite is usually melee though

[fervent ledge]

No it's cast

[harsh abyss]

Being able to move while channeling is a huge buff

[odd acorn]

no, you can cast it directly

[fervent ledge]

I remember smite build with HH bug was godly

[molten cobalt]

hmm

[harsh abyss]

The intent of mana guide seems to be to use Energy Overflow to do damage in an area around you while you move around while channeling it, but a lot of the builds I've seen are basically using it to do things like trigger lightning blast for Brand of Deception

[molten cobalt]

ok gonna check out vids of smite paladin and druid bear stormbolt

[harsh abyss]

Both of those are super strong

[odd acorn]

check ladder 6th place)

[molten cobalt]

im not a meta hoe, but i do want a ranged elemental caster

that doesnt suck

preferably

[fervent ledge]

Mage might also be real good don't count it out completely

Oh and isn't there a fire shield throw build next patch

[molten cobalt]

cant find much info on season 2 mage

[fervent ledge]

Gotta wait for that tbh

[harsh abyss]

Lots of people are focused on sentinel and the werebear lightning build right now. Mage didn't see a ton of changes (other than nerfs), so not a lot of folks are pushing it as their primary

It should still have plenty of builds that can push to endgame

[fervent ledge]

Also hearseeker people hyped around

[harsh abyss]

oh yeah, heartseeker too

[fervent ledge]

Im sure acolyte will still have some godly builds. Well see about maybe soon enough

[molten cobalt]

is Action RPG a decent build maker or is he another one of those who steals content with zero real knowledge, he just shouts it loudest?

the youtuber Action RPG

[harsh abyss]

Nah, he's legit

LE is his primary game

[molten cobalt]

ok

[fervent ledge]

How about Assmangold

[harsh abyss]

Others that are good are Dr3adful and FrozenSentinel

[molten cobalt]

😄

assman

i like him, he's funny

[weary hamlet]

ass tier

[fervent ledge]

I liked when he played games and wasn't just grifting a certain group of people.

[molten cobalt]

jesus smiter paladin can MOVE

what the hell

[plain garnet]

I don't remember when I saw this, but I did see other content creators calling out actionrpg for something. I don't remember specifically what.

[tranquil flame]

Then i go with Fissure Infernal Shade Warloc or Stygian Coal Lich

[plain garnet]

I'll see if I can find it.

[harsh abyss]

Probably calling him a LE shill, heh

[weary hamlet]

why dont you play like avalanche shaman, broaden your class horizons a bit

[harsh abyss]

There are definitely some good caster shaman builds, you don't have to go werebear

[open vapor]

Snap's video got me pretty hyped up for shatter strike spellblade promising 100-150 million dps (in a group setup though). Also the only mage spec I haven't tried yet so curious to try that out

[harsh abyss]

There are gonna be some whacky group builds for sure

[molten cobalt]

kinda dont want to broaden, but what kind of spell is avalanche? im into the visual aspect of fire/lightning/ice spells

[weary hamlet]

rains down frozen boulders

like a meteor shower but colder

[fervent ledge]

If they don't nerf brand bug would you say it can be A tier?

[molten cobalt]

think old school diablo 2 sorc, thats what im into @weary hamlet

[weary hamlet]

idk what the benchmark for a tier is gonna be but without a fix it's a pretty solid build

probably kills uby just fine

[fervent ledge]

Nice

[molten cobalt]

i shall youtube it

[weary hamlet]

although it's more tailored to speed farming corruption I guess

[fervent ledge]

Some guy made this very weird strength armor stacking RM concept for 1.2

Dunno meme or real

Looks like a pain to gear

[weary hamlet]

frozen? he was smoking something like that

[fervent ledge]

Lol

[weary hamlet]

maxing out on RI more modifiers

etc

[molten cobalt]

what spells can be cast while moving? part of why i always disliked frost claw is the forced immobility while casting, same as im seeing from smiter paladin

its almost like a channeling skill, yet it isnt

but it roots you while casting and 1 cast isnt enough per pack so you get stuck

[fervent ledge]

I think most spells do that, this ain't poe2

[weary hamlet]

nearly all spells require you to stand still while casting them

[fervent ledge]

I wonder how wasd will effect this

[weary hamlet]

but something with a long cooldown might not be as bad i.e. ice barrage, glyph of dominion, or some rm build that auto casts invo via flame rush

[harsh abyss]

It won't for season 2

[weary hamlet]

they said it won't cause they don't want to rebalance their whole game around players being able to move while casting

or using melee skills for that matter

[molten cobalt]

thats too bad

[harsh abyss]

I don't think it's that they don't WANT to, but that it was too much work to squeeze into Season 2. TBH it's amazing that they even got the beta version in for S2

[fervent ledge]

There is a movement lich build shoots spells.

Stygian Coal I think

[weary hamlet]

I think it's both, they said that they don't want to make WASD strictly better than mouse movement, and that it would require a massive mob rebalance too

[harsh abyss]

Also Smite Warpath

[weary hamlet]

and likely not in a fun way i.e. making mobs a lot faster and deadlier

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that makes sense

[weary hamlet]

the exact thing people are whining about in POE right now

so just from optics thats a bad angle

atthis moment

[molten cobalt]

how about something like.. see pack, cast skill, keep running and skill kills pack as you're running past it

[harsh abyss]

Judgement Consecrated Ground paladin

[molten cobalt]

does that exist

[weary hamlet]

ignite glyph of dominion or something

[harsh abyss]

Or Unending Storm Werebear, heh

[weary hamlet]

its more like, place an aoe that covers your screen, mobs die in it, you keep moving

[harsh abyss]

Just Rampage around and the storm bolts kill everything

[molten cobalt]

but ranged spell!

[weary hamlet]

yea that's just an autobomber build at that point

[harsh abyss]

Or teleport + triple ele nova

[weary hamlet]

glyph is a ranged spell

[harsh abyss]

Clear the screen with giant ele novas

[molten cobalt]

tell me more, that sounds like a mage

[full bluff]

I have some hope that the new unique with grand nova will be fun to play at lower corruption

[harsh abyss]

TL:DR you can spec teleport so you cast 3 elemental novas. One at the start, one in the middle, and one at the end.

Then you scale ele nova area so that they cover most of the screen and the novas will overlap and hit everything.

[harsh abyss]

I'll probably be in this channel talking about it, it's on my short list

[molten cobalt]

but does it pack enough punch?

[harsh abyss]

To clear trash? Yeah. Then you pair it with something else that does good boss/single target damage like convergence Lightning Blast and you're golden.

[molten cobalt]

ok im interested

smiter paladin is no-go, too much interruption while casting

[harsh abyss]

Here's my planner for a Grand Prism Nova + Ele Nova build: ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMaD1R5B

It's not quite the same as you'd plan it for the ideal combo of Nova + LB, but I really want to try out the new Gordian Prism unique.

If you want, I can whip up a version that would be better for LB+Nova

But a lot of the concepts are the same

[molten cobalt]

werebear stormbolt gives me diablo 4 spiritborn evade build vibes

but..

[half pollen]

Ofc it will. Stutter stepping is way stronger with wasd

[molten cobalt]

how the hell would a stormbolt werebear handle bosses such as the gear upgrading boss or whatever

you cant really move freely there

[harsh abyss]

You basically spec tornado with your last spec and do bosses similar to the tornado werebear build

[molten cobalt]

dont know what the boss is called, but where you imprint a stat on a legendary

[harsh abyss]

Rampage around as much as you can, but if you need to be dodging carefully, you can just pop out of form and cast 45 tornados before jumping back in

[molten cobalt]

ok, so that build is out then

yes i know im picky

i know what i want and if i cant get it then i wont waste my time playing

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, no worries. There are lots of build styles

[molten cobalt]

gonna check the build you linked now

[harsh abyss]

You might like Warpath+Smite. You basically spin to win doing tons of ignites and also auto-cast smites around

[molten cobalt]

i thought sorc beats RM now?

[harsh abyss]

Depends on what you're doing

And how you want to build defenses.

[molten cobalt]

what would this build be called, in youtube terms?

[harsh abyss]

The reason that build is a RM specifically is because you need Runic Invocation for Grand Prism Nova, which is the Runemaster key skill. Other masteries don't have access to it

[harsh abyss]

It wouldn't be on youtube becuase prior to tomorrow, no one is even going to use grand prism nova for anything.

[molten cobalt]

oh i see

[harsh abyss]

Totally new build

I also tend to build in pretty non-standard ways, so my builds may or may not be fully optimized by youtube content creator terms

I just know enough about ARPGs to be able to build pretty decent builds that do different stuff.

[molten cobalt]

that does sound like something I'd enjoy not gonna lie

huge elemental aoe screen wipe

[harsh abyss]

I tested it a couple weeks ago, and with zero AOE scaling or anything, Grand Prism Nova hits almost the entire screen

[molten cobalt]

ok so grand prism nova exists

but the legendary item does not

[worn shell]

Nova build is fun

[molten cobalt]

and the catalyst does what? replaces regular casts with grand prism nova?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it's just annoying to set up, so no one uses it. You need a specific rune combination in a specific order to cast it, and it's 3 different flavor runes

[worn shell]

it's not that hard to set up tbh

[harsh abyss]

The unique forces all runic invocations to cast grand prism nova, so you don't care about the order/flavor of the runes

[molten cobalt]

i see

thats convenient

[worn shell]

it just locks you into runemaster

so you can't nova while you nova

(since nova on crit is sorc right side)

[harsh abyss]

? You mean spark nova? That's a totally different thing

[molten cobalt]

what does this mean? i dont understand RM since i played sorc at launch

isnt runes just spells basically?

how are they consumed

[harsh abyss]

No

[worn shell]

if you're novaing you should do ALL the novas

[harsh abyss]

Casting an elemental spell gives you a rune (up to 3)

Using Runic Invocation consumes your runes to cast a spell based on the combination and order of runes yo have

[worn shell]

the unqiue just makes the result always grand prism nova

[harsh abyss]

Basically, the unique gives you a 30% chance to NOT consume runes, so you can just cast Runic Invocation again (if you have 3 different runes)

[molten cobalt]

ok

so there's some setup to RM

[harsh abyss]

RM is a bit complex, yeah

But the unique makes all the setup stuff a non-issue

[molten cobalt]

so definitely not a 1 button build

[harsh abyss]

Well, it's a 3 button build.
Button 1: Teleport for movement
Button 2: Cast elemental nova (in a big AOE around you)
Button 3: Cast Runic invocation (when you have 3 runes)

There's no complex combos or anything

And Grand Prism Nova is basically like a supercharged Elemental Nova

So the theme works

[molten cobalt]

you just gotta remember there's an order to your frantic button smashing

[harsh abyss]

Nah, it'll be very easy to do

Very straightforward compared to a lot of other builds

[worn shell]

yeah the unique takes all the thinking out of it lol

[harsh abyss]

It's also worth noting that casting Runic Invocation will ALSO cast 4 elemental novas

Which should be hilarious

[molten cobalt]

what about bosses then

guessing the alpha damage from a nova aint great

[harsh abyss]

Good question. We don't know how the build will feel on bosses

[molten cobalt]

single target dmg

[harsh abyss]

those are likely to be the weakest point

BUT, we have enough scaling vectors all over the place that it should be pretty decent

[molten cobalt]

you definitely peaked my interest

sounds more like me than the other builds suggested earlier

[harsh abyss]

If the single target sucks, you could transition to this version that uses convergence lightning blast: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oPpyRevo (SUPER quick build, basically just the skill paths with base levels, didn't do items or anything)

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Runemaster (59)

General:

▸ Health: 1,242, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 105.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 106%, Regen: 12/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 28 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 24% / 0% / 24% / 0% / 0% / 1% / 1%
▸ EHP: 865 / 746 / 865 / 746 / 746 / 751 / 751

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 248

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Fire, Cold / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Lightning Blast (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Elemental Nova (20)
• Runic Invocation (20)
• Focus (20)

Used unique items:

None

[molten cobalt]

i did like the werebear lightning strike mobility though

very d4 spiritborn evade

[harsh abyss]

I never played spiritborn, D4 wasn't engaging enough for me to consider buying an expansion, heh

[molten cobalt]

let me find you a clip so you see what i mean

[harsh abyss]

The way that build will work will be to use teleport to cast novas, just like the other one, and then if something doesnt die to your novas, you cast lightning blast on it until it does. Should have much better single target boss damage, but isn't as cool and nova-themed

[old plume]

guys, does the Skill's "Flame Reave" projectiles count as Meele aswell?

[molten cobalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYKbYZvTQqY

[harsh abyss]

It doesn't actually shoot projectiles, unless you count the Fireball node

[full bluff]

The ward gain with tri color runic invocation is pretty good

So I think this build could be tanky too

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, we're looking at like 800 ward per cast

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that's pretty similar to the rampage werebear build

[old plume]

Whatelse is "that release a wave of flames" mean?

[harsh abyss]

It's just an AOE wave of flames, it's still the melee attack

[molten cobalt]

basically sonic the hedgehog with a machine gun attached, or multiple

[old plume]

and it still counts as meele yes? 🙂

[harsh abyss]

Yep

[old plume]

thank you again!

[fair hearth]

which way of delivering invocations would you guys use on a Fundamental Criterion build?

[molten cobalt]

is gordian prism gonna be a rare drop? I remember LE categorising legendaries after drop chance or something

[harsh abyss]

It should be fairly common, low level uniques usually are

[fair hearth]

figured that "only" getting to cast invocations every fourth spell would be annoying for clear?
or am i worrying too much

[molten cobalt]

oh i see now, lvl28

thats great

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, if I drop one on my first character, I'll probably swap to the build as I'm going

[fair hearth]

i was kiinda looking at Frey's retreat?

but idk if that is at all realistic mana wise

[harsh abyss]

Probably worrying too much, usually Invocation is a spell you choose when to cast and you use other spells for clear

[full bluff]

Test I did with tri-color runic invocation long time ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4j3HBRElHA

It was pretty smooth to play with high cast speed

[brisk sierra]

How are the magus builds looking with the inc nerfs to some of there kit??

[fair hearth]

thats fair
problem is just im not getting my big ~500% more multiplier on anything except the invocation itself

[harsh abyss]

You probably don't need it except for big rares/bosses though

So it's probably nbd

[harsh abyss]

If I get one and it feels good, I'll throw together a quick guide for it. I haven't seen any content creators looking at using it

[fair hearth]

thats fair
i guess theres also swirling frost and trinity of elements?

as like
duration-based spells i would juts need to occasionally refresh

[harsh abyss]

Fundamental criterion is a weird one to build around, for sure

[molten cobalt]

can you swap ascendancies in LE now?

[harsh abyss]

they should be fine. All mage builds will be a bit weaker due to the ward retention change. And the static orb and meteor builds got big nerfed. Should still be plenty of builds that are capable of taking you to endgame and probably at least a few that can take you to uberroth

[molten cobalt]

runemaster to sorc and so on

[harsh abyss]

In Season 2, yeah

[fair hearth]

huh speaking of fundamental criterion and str stackign

[molten cobalt]

ok good

[harsh abyss]

It'll be good for experimentation for sure

If you don't like my RM build, you can easily swap to Sorc and do somethign else

[molten cobalt]

i will do mage for sure then

[brisk sierra]

is was peeking at Glacier and Shatter Strike builds, which of them survived the best?

[molten cobalt]

and see what people churn out

[harsh abyss]

Fundamental Criterion + Str Stacking + Cleaver Solution +Bastion of Honr is a VERY strong combo

[harsh abyss]

Shatter Strike saw basically zero nerfs other than the global one, so those builds will probably be fine (or a bit stronger with all the new crafting stuff)

[fair hearth]

and opinion on running the uh
glove set affix that scales str into health regen
and the vessel of strife?

esp since runemasters get another 15% ward gen per health regen in the tree

[harsh abyss]

Could be good, but Mage doesn't have a lot of support for it. You're looking at 4 slots of gear just to make it function.

[fair hearth]

fair enough
better off with twisted heart?

[harsh abyss]

Depends on the build, obviously twisted heart doesn't work for spellblade builds or channeling builds

[fair hearth]

oh this is for runemaster

[harsh abyss]

Yeah it's always gonna be hard to beat twisted heart with a fast-casting build

But you'll also need some way to get flat spell damage. If you're using Cleaver Solution, then you aren't getting any flat spell damage from your weapon.

[fair hearth]

true
does catalyst give flat spell damage?

[harsh abyss]

Nope

For that item setup, I'd consider using Mana Guide to and stacking mana, since Energy Overflow gets base damage off of your mana pool (so your weapon's flat damage is inconsequential)

Or alternatively, you could do a Battlemage's Endeavor build using Mana Strike and stacking mana for the same reason. You don't have to be a spellblade for it

[fair hearth]

doesnt work with cleaver annoyingly

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

Utlimately, regen stacking with strength stacking feels like it's better saved for Primalist/Sentinel, they just have better support for it.

You can get a decent amount of regen without the Last Bear, which removes the need to scale strength

[fair hearth]

so let's not do regen stackign
im thinking something along the lines of this?

[harsh abyss]

Still need to get flat spell damage somewhere, otherwise your spells are going to do garbage damage

[fair hearth]

yeah definitely
im just not seeing it atm

[harsh abyss]

You could do a spark charge build

Use enigma for flat damage per int

apply with ele nova or mana strike

[fair hearth]

that doesnt really work with the body armor though

[harsh abyss]

Neither does Cleaver Solution in general 🤷‍♀️

[molten cobalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzYu5s_zrTI is this viable? as in does this look like an actual real build or just wild theory crafting on stuff not yet implemented @harsh abyss

[fair hearth]

how so?
body armor gives more invocation damage per str
cleaver gives increased invocation damage per str

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, Frozen is one of the big LE content creators

[fair hearth]

any opinions on a confluence of fate?

[harsh abyss]

it might be one of your only options

[harsh abyss]

You lose out on the first portion of the chest because you aren't using a wand/staff/sceptre

[fair hearth]

oh thats true

[harsh abyss]

Also, if you're going to go strength stacking, you probably should go vessel and last bear gloves

Because it's more value for the same stats

I just personally think it's too much effort to try and fit into the square hole

The build that Chillon linked up above is using the setup for it though, they're doing a similar thing to what you're talking about

[molten cobalt]

how rare is bastion of honor

[harsh abyss]

VERY

[molten cobalt]

borderline chase item?

[harsh abyss]

I think it's the rarest shield

[molten cobalt]

and then it uses 2 rings categories as "extremely rare" haha

while the shield is "only" very rare

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, Red Ring is the rarest ring

[molten cobalt]

i do wonder if that build even works without red rings and bastion

[harsh abyss]

Even super rare stuff is solo farmable in LE though

[obtuse tendon]

it does

Red ring are just cherry on top, just replace them with resist/strength ring

Bastion ,is just another layer of defense, get the best shield you can get while waiting for it

[molten cobalt]

aight

[fading snow]

Also, if you're gonna play merchant's, uniques like bastion should be super attainable. Everyone wants red rings, but not many people want strength stacking shield

[molten cobalt]

how does focus do damage though

[fading snow]

so 100% of players might drop it, but <5% of players might use it

[obtuse tendon]

Main reason he goes for those ring is they are great stats giving (which is good for stacking) they give movement speed (which you prolly need the most once you got the build running) they fix resistances and give DR. Bastion is just there for DR (on top of strength).

[molten cobalt]

its basically a perma focus build as far as i can understand

[obtuse tendon]

It doesn't

[molten cobalt]

but focus isnt damage dealing

[obtuse tendon]

The amulet procs lightning blast when you focus

it's kinda like a whirlwind build

[molten cobalt]

so all the damage is from the lightning blasts?

[obtuse tendon]

the point is for the lightning blast to proc a dot

no

damage is coming from the dot

[molten cobalt]

ok

[obtuse tendon]

Brand of deception it's called

[weary hamlet]

it's the main part of the skill, in LE it's fairly common for "melee" skills to not be particularly melee

[obtuse tendon]

That's for the "small" dot, and you have your runic invocation spell

for the big dot.

The mandatory stuff for the build to be running is having decent strength, Cleaver solution (easy rare) and mana guide (not too hard rare)

fundamental criterion is quite a huge boost to your damage as well, but i wouldn't straight up call it mandatory

the rest, you want to cap your resist, get damage over time and strength

Now i think he said something like, it's probably better to run something till around lvl 60-70 while u gather decent enough gear to be going. I also believe he said he'd release some leveling guide

[molten cobalt]

so now i have 2 builds that look interesting, both runemasters

[obtuse tendon]

It's pretty easy to reroll and try stuff

so try

I'll give a try to the str stacking, because i love stat stacking build and that convert seems too fun

also love ward

There are quite a lot of unique you can get that any class want so it's always easy to share your gear for other stuff in case you want to

and rerolling is very easy

[molten cobalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGb6rl-g5Bo

he linked this one

[obtuse tendon]

Ya but i think he said he would make one of his own

[fervent ledge]

Won't putting strength on all gear be hard

[obtuse tendon]

Truth to be told, you can really level with anything

i'll probably play a kinda spellblade build because i enjoy that

[plain garnet]

Very easy actually, with attribute swapping

[fervent ledge]

How

[obtuse tendon]

Depends of the gear

[obtuse tendon]

For legendary it will requires LP and good exalted (easier though now that we can guarantee one ). But for anything else

So basically for helm, belt, shield, boots, rings and gloves

should be pretty easy to get str on the starter gear

you'll get the legendary on the way and try to improve them

[plain garnet]

Not difficult to find a T7 int roll on a rando pair of gloves or w/e to convert to strength and slam on a 1LP glove

With guaranteed LP slamming now

[obtuse tendon]

Yup, also you'll probably just equip that str gloves

[fervent ledge]

Is that relic super rare

[obtuse tendon]

The gloves he lists on his buidl is uber abberath, don't think any of us is hitting that soon

[fervent ledge]

That build looks like something I make after playing an already great build

[obtuse tendon]

He posted the endgame optimised version

You obviously can get something decent running in a less good state

[plain garnet]

The "Relic of the Observer" is a woven echo, I think, you just find these playing the game

[fervent ledge]

I'll try a regular brand build first

[obtuse tendon]

Ya, nothing wrong with that

[fervent ledge]

That ain't all weird

[obtuse tendon]

I mean anyway, you'll mostly need to go through campain without that build

but with how easy the needed legendary are, chances are you might be ready to play the build when starting maps

[fervent ledge]

What's a good mage build for starting out

Like lvl 50

[obtuse tendon]

Honestly there are so many, you could just even play what you like and try to make something that makes sense

The guy recommended a video that was linked a couple message earlier playing volcanic orb/runic bolt

[molten cobalt]

and even that one says start out with glacier

[weary hamlet]

its in a specific woven echo, just buy it from the vendor and go

or drop it, etc

[obtuse tendon]

ya well thats a given

[fervent ledge]

Oh nice

[obtuse tendon]

takes some time to reach volcanic orb and runebolt

[weary hamlet]

but you wont run into it normally in normal zones

[obtuse tendon]

If you never played the game much, just try to look for a spell you enjoy and build it out

it's really straight forward, you can always respec and as long as you try to maintain a weapon that's close to your level, it'll work just fine

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, game is super friendly to respeccing and experimentation

100% recommend you find what you like first, then look at guides if you get stuck on some content

[obtuse tendon]

a couple season ago there was a broken build about ballista exploding and doing widescreen aoe. I wanted to try it but ended up just starting the game and found very fun spell that i just shred the whole campain with

[fervent ledge]

https://youtu.be/02Ssb9gVP7Y?si=0a9nAnflR3_ww81E

[molten cobalt]

a couple seasons ago? this game has only had 1 season

[harsh abyss]

Brand of Deception is doing way more damage than intended because of a bug. Play with care and understand it may get nerfed out from under you.

[fervent ledge]

Hmm

[harsh abyss]

There were "seasons" before launch, effectively. The game has been in early access for years

[molten cobalt]

yeah i have no idea how people stuck around for 4 years

[obtuse tendon]

I don't know exaclty when it was but it was some time ago

[harsh abyss]

Play at big patches until you get bored -> Do something else -> Repeat

Pretty standard stuff really

[obtuse tendon]

Ya basically

[molten cobalt]

as it stands right now, without the massive patch, last epoch sucks ass

[obtuse tendon]

Game have always been fun since the beginning for me

[molten cobalt]

im hoping season 2 is good

[harsh abyss]

We keep coming back because their crafting system and general character building are fun, not because of the endgame

[obtuse tendon]

the main downside is it rarely keeps me out in the endgame once i got my build all working great and shiny and i unlocked everything

hopefully the new stuff here will keep me longer

[harsh abyss]

Without endgame stuff, you don't stick around as long, but they've consistently been adding cool new stuff to try out

[molten cobalt]

poe1 crafting is better

so much better

[obtuse tendon]

It may be

But i understand last epoch crafting

[molten cobalt]

but they kinda stopped developing poe1 at the moment, due to shitty poe2

[obtuse tendon]

needed 0 guide to make it work

[harsh abyss]

That's one opinion. I disagree because I think their crafting is way too arcane and requires too many random content to craft a single item.

[obtuse tendon]

PoE 1 crafting needs a PhD

[molten cobalt]

yeah you need to trade

a PhD and trading, yes

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I hate trade, which is another reason why LE is better for me

[molten cobalt]

but if you have a PhD and you do trade... oh boy

[harsh abyss]

I want to build items myself, not buy them from someone else

[obtuse tendon]

To be fair i like them all. I play poe, poe 2, last epoch, diablo 1 2 3 4, even titan quest

They all have strengths and weaknesses

[molten cobalt]

trading in poe is super smooth though

so fast and easy

[harsh abyss]

What?

Using the trade website is easy?

[molten cobalt]

and currencies is just click click done

[harsh abyss]

Gross

[molten cobalt]

yes

[obtuse tendon]

It really is not easy :3

[harsh abyss]

Let me get back to you after the first 15 people I message just don't respond

[molten cobalt]

it so is easy

[mystic sierra]

yeah dude messaging 50 people to finally get a response for an item having to wade through all the price fixers is super smooth

[molten cobalt]

what is difficult?

[obtuse tendon]

Take a new player

first he needs to understand to sell he needs a paid stash

[molten cobalt]

thats a gross overexxageration

[obtuse tendon]

then he needs to understnad how to use it

then he needs to understand to go on a website

[molten cobalt]

it does happen, but you can easily spot price fixers

and just mark as ignore

then they are gone forever

[obtuse tendon]

then he must understand how to search on, that website which for the average joe is a nightmare

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that's just the sort of gameplay that I want to engage with

[obtuse tendon]

then you have to deal with 400 chinese price dumping/not answering

[weary hamlet]

stellar game design right there btw

[obtuse tendon]

It's tough, you're just used to it

[molten cobalt]

what kind of items are you looking for, that 15 people have it?

[weary hamlet]

and when the 401th chinese bot/farmer responds, he tries to scam you

[molten cobalt]

if its that common you can find or craft it yourself

[harsh abyss]

POE has basically zero target farming for uniques. "Find it yourself" is a complete slot machine.

[molten cobalt]

only in poe2

in poe1 chinese are yeeted onto their own server

[obtuse tendon]

I mean in poe 1 i had the same fair share of not answering

might be less chinese

I think PoE is awesome if you started when it launched and understood all the details bit by bit, expansion by expansion

[fervent ledge]

That's the reason I stopped playing . Whisper for hours and no good drops

[molten cobalt]

its a tradeoff for sure, you put up with it for crafting with endless potential i guess

[obtuse tendon]

For any new player it's out of a league

you need hours of videos and guide just to play the basic part

[molten cobalt]

i have never had that experience myself

[fervent ledge]

It happens to me for every item

[molten cobalt]

drops are shite, yes, thats why you trade and craft

[obtuse tendon]

I love watching people making like 12 gems weapon

[fervent ledge]

And it feels dated

[harsh abyss]

Most people don't play nearly enough for "endless potential" to exist. You can get 40 challenges done and still not found enough currency to craft a single item.

[obtuse tendon]

i'm sure it's satisfying for them too

but i'll never be able to do it

[fervent ledge]

Like I'm in 1999 using some janky 3rd party app to spam whispers for hours

[molten cobalt]

then you honestly suck, sorry

[fervent ledge]

I gave up

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it's satisfying for the .001% of people who have the time and effort to craft items

[molten cobalt]

making currency in poe is so easy

insanely easy

[harsh abyss]

I don't play games to make currency, that's what my job is for

[molten cobalt]

with trading and crafting

[obtuse tendon]

Well you didn't understand that a shield and rings weren't needed for a build which was pretty basic, i think saying people suck is a bit tough

[fervent ledge]

Trading in poe2 feels like I'm at work

[obtuse tendon]

A lot of stuff is eays once you know

[molten cobalt]

you grind for hours instead, spending your time that way

[obtuse tendon]

but poe has a lot to be learned

[molten cobalt]

to reach the same goal

[weary hamlet]

bro this "trading experience" is legit worse than 1990s mmos

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I don't grind for hours in any game, because it's boring and not fun 🤷‍♀️ I don't have fun "making currency" I have fun playing games.

[weary hamlet]

dont go all dated this, dated that

it's not dated, it's fRiCtIoN straight from ggg's sick fantasies

[molten cobalt]

having fun playing games, such as LE, IS grinding for hours

its the same thing

[harsh abyss]

Nah, in LE if you do it, you can make progress on your character and craft items

[molten cobalt]

you're just not bored doing it

[harsh abyss]

There's a big difference

[fading snow]

that build is the poster child for what I don't like about LE skill design. Dex stacking explosive ballista was a cool semi-meme build before falconer patch, but then they 20x'd its damage and put a bunch of giant neon signs in the skill trees involved showing you exactly how to build it

[molten cobalt]

each to their own, I enjoy trading and that also gives me progress onb my character and lets me craft

so i end up doing both

playing and trading

i do like the guild system, solo or trade, but the bazaar is garbage in my opinion

[fading snow]

much more fun to have a bunch of interactions that work in multiple ways and let the players cook up builds. I hate speccing a skill and seeing there are no real options -- just right decisions and wrong ones for the build I'm playing

[obtuse tendon]

They also realised the aoe was totally bugged on scaling (i think it was scaling on % radius instead of area of effect, something like that) and it made the build go back to normal

I still think falconer had 300 ways to be played

people just like the most optimal quickest fastest clear

as alwys

[harsh abyss]

Optimizing the fun out of everything, it happens

[fading snow]

dex stacking explosive ballista was brainless S tier that whole patch, iirc. Unless they changed it after I stopped playing

[harsh abyss]

lol

[fading snow]

yeah, I believe it was still brainless S tier after that change

though it was a year ago at this point 😁

[weary hamlet]

LE design has a lot of head scratchers both for skills and items. The dumbest shit is chronically OP with no real nerfs while the fun stuff is never buffed at least to a baseline playable level

[obtuse tendon]

Ah well you can

Still there was many possibilities

[unreal blade]

after S2 it will work exactly the same, just the description on the passive node will be updated to how it actually functions. not sure why you'd avoid a brand build because of no change.

[obtuse tendon]

Compared to where we started when I bought the game quite some time ago, i feel that we're getting quite a lot of changes bit by bit

Classes all getting fixed one by one

[fading snow]

sure, I'm lamenting taking an at best decent build made of cool interactions (old explosive ballista) and turning it into a color-by-numbers OP build

[obtuse tendon]

To be fair i had a video of mine when i discovered the balista stuff, it was pretty amusing

[fading snow]

it's no fun to log into the game and click obviously good options for your skill trees and passives from level 1-100

[weary hamlet]

that node further multiplies per stack of shock on target, at least according to guys who tested it in ct

cause I didn't

and if I did I wouldn't be posting about it right in da official discord, right?

[obtuse tendon]

Found it : https://streamable.com/vfpjx4

I remember i had to throw half my gear out to make this work so I went from perfect resistances to total garbage to play that, but i had quite a laugh when i started it

[harsh abyss]

Beeg kaboom

I wonder if I can get Grand Prism Nova to get that big

[obtuse tendon]

Aside from some broken classes in the previous patches/seaons, it always feels good to go something

At some point it goes down when you reach high enough corruption but that's the case for every build at some point

think i tried a different stuff every time, always started cooking on my own. Ballista is the first build I followed because the video i saw looked great, wasnt dissapointed

Aside from sentinel which i found to be meh until now that it got "reworked", i played every class and they all felt great

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I mean the fun part about LE is that you can take pretty much any skill to the mid-endgame before it start to crack and you need to optimize. Even so I expect most builds could get to regular aberroth with decent optimizing.

[fading snow]

Different strokes for different folks, I think. I was cooking falconer until they revealed that it was gigabroken. So i played sent (HH was also gigabroken; you can't avoid it). Ended up on.. VK electrify void smite 😁 which no longer works, and wasn't very good anyway

[harsh abyss]

Ah, a meta hipster, I get it 👍

I'm the same way a lot of times

[fading snow]

Yeah, solving problems and cooking up a build is a lot of fun, even if those problems are ultimately self-inflicted

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I mean...

I'm playing channeled zero mana lightning blast for my starter

[obtuse tendon]

new stuff always feels good usually

[harsh abyss]

Self challenge is the name of the game 😝

At least in LE, it has the CHANCE to be good.

[obtuse tendon]

It's refreshing to just be able to make actual builds, deep one, all by yourself

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, and then be able to farm/craft the gear you need for them, too

Especially with this season, it's gonna be so good with all the new crafting stuff

[obtuse tendon]

Most exciting change for me is the guaranteed LP 1

[half pollen]

Im excited for the dodge rating buffs

[unreal blade]

frozen will have a video up sometime before launch (maybe tonight?) talking about the progression of the build from leveling to midgame to strength swap and aspirational gear. should answer a lot of your questions.

[weary hamlet]

tbh falconer just plays nothing remotely like, you know, a falconer

even with some artistic license obviously

its just your typical anime protagonist flying around jumping and shitting out arrows and energy waves

just falcon colored

like idk I expected it to be more about stacking some kind of vulnerability debuff on mobs and then sending your falcon to tear off their weiner

not like giant screen wide explosions of falcon

[unreal blade]

well even if that was the case and is nerfed, our math isn't based on it, and it still looks fine. not a 1 shot aberroth build, but plenty of damage. it should be about double the dps of frozen's spark sorc from 1.1 (no static orb).

[weary hamlet]

it's always been like that so once its fixed the brand dps will be in the gutter, but we'll see if they do or if it stays like that for another five years

or how many have we waited for the spark nova fix

[unreal blade]

again we aren't counting on that per shock scaling you mentioned. it's not in our calcs.

if it's still there, then the build will do even more damage we aren't expecting.

[obtuse tendon]

Worst case you play something else

hopefully you got a BoH and two red ring which will suit everywhere else kekw

[unreal blade]

yeah this is definitely an experimental build, so not something i would suggest to a new player or even someone with some experience, and also not to someone who wants a sure thing that will solidly start their season and be reliable as a farmer for other build ideas.

[obtuse tendon]

I think i would

looks fun

all there is to know

[solemn pulsar]

Is there a unique that converts or gives additional ward regen based on your life regen?

[obtuse tendon]

i know this

[nimble shoal]

Yes, but it intentionally takes up one of the same slots as that set (relic) so you can't do both

I think there is a passive that gives a little bit on RM though

[solemn pulsar]

I c

Dunno if I want to do spellblade or paladin tomorrow

[obtuse tendon]

I love spellblade but always found them to be quite clunky in endgame, in any case with how new and shiny they'll be, i'd go for paladin

[weary hamlet]

btw with the vessel nerf, the rm vessel lite passive is getting huge stonks

15/40 is a lot more than 15/66

just sayin

[stone rapids]

i've played a ton of spellblade over the last month, damage is off the charts but you need to run bloody nib which is risky at high corruption

[weary hamlet]

I'm going proc paladin, it's like spellblade but yellow

with the option of respecing into judgment

the wow paladin special, standing in a yellow puddle you made

riveting

[obtuse tendon]

I'm not sure what you are refering to huhu

[obtuse tendon]

And i'm guessing mourning frost?

[weary hamlet]

Sanguine Runestones

[stone rapids]

if you can manage the downside it's ok but i usually just run blood of the exile to save on investing a ton into res

[obtuse tendon]

Oh i see, didn't play runemaster yet

[obtuse tendon]

aight, cuz it's another layer of squishiness

for sure

Spell blade was pretty bad when i tried it, was my first character, i know it got buffed but it always end up in that melee ,not much layer of defense type of character

dont do well with the corruption climb

in my experience

[stone rapids]

even without it you can clear super fast at 1k corruption and kill abberoth in like 20 seconds

you need a lot of ward generation and dodge

[obtuse tendon]

well that will make everyone happy

[sterile pendant]

yall think frostclaw frostbite is viable with ele nova?

[torpid holly]

bruh

[harsh abyss]

Mourningfrost also double dips for Frost Claw Glamdring, which has potential.

[old plume]

so i just tried to make my own ignite/spreading flames build as sorc who uses flame reave, if anyone is interested to look through it and point out obvious flaws that i definetly missed, id be very happy 🙂 https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olGrkZOB

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Mage (25) / Sorcerer (52) / Spellblade (6) / Runemaster (30)

General:

▸ Health: 2,242, Regen: 14/s
▸ Mana: 261.51, Regen: 11.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 92%, Regen: 40/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 10 Int / 1 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 141% / 31% / 31% / 51% / 0% / 84% / 24%
▸ EHP: 3,765 / 2,091 / 2,091 / 2,562 / 1,721 / 3,137 / 1,995

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 583
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (487)
▸ Block Chance: 33%, Mitigation: 0% (0)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Teleport (20)
• Fireball (20)
• Flame Reave (21)
• Flame Ward (20)
• Black Hole (20)

Used unique items:

• Firestarter's Torch
• Sunwreath
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Burning Avarice
• Ashes of Mortality
• Tome of Elements
• Bleeding Heart
• Null Portent
• Seed of Ekkidrasil

[weary hamlet]

obvious flaws
ignite/spreading flames build as sorc who uses flame reave
chat anyone?

[old plume]

D:

[weary hamlet]

always like that, you be all gung ho when arguing some esoterica of some obscure build but nobody does shit when asked for help

[old plume]

i'll be honest, i didnt understand half of that

[weary hamlet]

so the problem with flame reave ignite is two fold really, first off you got a really small number of hits per cast which is bad for an ailment build, and secondly you got fu ck all more damage multipliers in the tree

which is also pretty bad for an ailment build really

for example I'd rather suggest using your fireballs to apply ignite instead of using flame reave to proc fireballs with a small chance

[obtuse tendon]

It's an awesome item but i hate it

because once i wear it, i don't want to drop it and endure* huge dps loss

[weary hamlet]

fireball can be specced to have a guaranteed 4-5 hits per cast against single target, and cast speed is pretty easy to scale on sorc

same goes for frost claw in fire conversion

[old plume]

i see

[weary hamlet]

volcanic orb has a ton of hits per cast as well

although its less of a spammable playstyle obviously

[old plume]

yea i thought about volcanic orb first

[weary hamlet]

slightly* less spammable

also if you are in a fire build on sorc, don't miss out on meteor, craterborn is functionally a 75% more damage modifier

[harsh abyss]

Fireball machine gun also feels really good for leveling.

You shred bosses so fast

[weary hamlet]

and has extra fireball synergy too

[old plume]

my idea was to jump meele into a group of mobs with teleport and flame ward, cast black hole to pull them all together and spam flamereave, but i didnt know that it would cast so few projectiles

[weary hamlet]

also since ailments dont scale with your weapon, might as well use firestarter's torch for spreading flames and free up some points in your skills

or cinder song in a fireball build but I think it's just strictly worse

[old plume]

i do use firestarters torch

[weary hamlet]

also if you go for fireball, consider the fireball pierce affix on your helm instead of dumping skill points for it, those have far better applications

[old plume]

helmet is kinda whatever and i might wanted to switch out ashes of mortality for heirloom of the last nomad

ok i see

yeah i didnt spec more into fireball because it couldnt have more projectiles if spawned by flame reave

[graceful scarab]

Can anyone tell me why you would use scissor of atropos in shatterstrike build?
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/shatter-strike-spellblade-guide#changelog-header

I don't see anything in shatterstrike spellblade that would trigger throwing

[stone rapids]

flat damage, attack speed and +2 to skills

[weary hamlet]

yes but see my first point, tbh flame reave is just a bad vehicle for ailments because it hits once per cast at baseline and has mediocre more damage nodes

[graceful scarab]

Ah, so the raw stats are just that good that you use it for that

[stone rapids]

eye of reen + scissor almost certainly outperforms double scissor even after the nerf though, idk why maxroll is recommending double scissor

[old plume]

yes i didnt forget 🙂 thank you for your advice!

[weary hamlet]

I guess if you wanted to build ignite on spellblade, you'd go for it but focus more on triggering frost claw off your melees

but on sorc just hard casting your applicator as a spell is the best option

even if its frost claw

[old plume]

and what about mana regen? how would i keep up with my mana?

[weary hamlet]

mana strike, focus, or just suffering

just kidding

you will still be suffering with either mana strike or focus

[old plume]

yea D:

[weary hamlet]

usually the goal is to reduce your spammable spell to a low enough cost to be sustainable

[stone rapids]

teleport + meteor got nerfed but can help a bit with mana as well still on sorc

[weary hamlet]

tele meteor wasn't nerfed though, was it?

and yeah if you are going to include meteor as a functionally utility skill, might as well go for the mana tunnel play

[stone rapids]

a little but it’s not super substantial, still probably worth doing

[old plume]

whats teleport + meteor ? sorry i didnt play in ages

[stone rapids]

telport node that refunds next skill after use + meteor node that gives you mana back after using meteor

[full bluff]

Flame Burst node has new VFX, and is now affected by Fireball’s tree, including lightning conversions. It is now also affected by increases to area of effect. Would this change make flame burst apply ignite boosted by the fireball tree? Making it apply aoe ignite

[old plume]

i see thanks!

[weary hamlet]

It should inherit more modifiers from fireball which would translate to ignites applied by it, yes

[full bluff]

Flame burst was already pretty good damage, now with scaling from fireball tree and combined with ignite, could work 🙂

[old plume]

isnt fireball worse in trash clearing that flame reave?

[weary hamlet]

depends, fireball has a lot more range and with homing its kinda hilarious

janky, but hilarious

[old plume]

whats homing?

[weary hamlet]

flame reave has slightly wider aoe but nothing to write home about either

your projectiles will seek mobs

[old plume]

i see

[weary hamlet]

like a homing missile

that kind of homing

reave can have a tangible improvement to aoe if you make it circular, but that will eat one of your ring slots for an otherwise subpar unique

do not recommend not even flame reave builds are using it anymore

[old plume]

really? i am using this in my build, whatelse would i want to take? i didnt even find a good unique for the other ringslot 😄

[weary hamlet]

red rings, ashes, good exalt rings, flames if you get a good lp roll, even heirlooms at decent LP rolls

but most likely just a good exalt

[old plume]

ok understood

[junior coral]

What's so good about wall of nothing

[weary hamlet]

good defensive stats

[junior coral]

alright ill try get that for my RM

[plain garnet]

Major downside to wall, though, is it'll be really difficult to get one with good stats that also has 2-3 LP

[weary hamlet]

at least you'll be able to click int on your 1 lp wall

[plain garnet]

True

[junior coral]

so is mage harder to gear than other classes for end game?

[stone rapids]

depends on your build and faction

[weary hamlet]

hard to say on this level of generalization since each class has numerous builds that can range widely in gearing difficulty

[plain garnet]

I don't know about harder to gear, but I do think to make a mage good in 1.2 relative to other classes you need higher quality gear to achieve the same results

[weary hamlet]

like its surely harder to gear up a reowyns build that some ooga booga me spam crit lb one

[plain garnet]

Is it even possible to put an experimental affix on a unique with LP

I assume it is

[stone rapids]

yes

[junior coral]

want to do a brand of deception build but seems like its only for very end game

like after after endgame

[stone rapids]

if you mean the frozensentinel one his aspirational gear will take a lot of investment but he will have lower investment versions soon

[weary hamlet]

same as any other affix

[mystic sierra]

Is that just due to poor scaling or something? I don't understand why there is a trend in APRGs where the mage class is weaker than others or takes more work lol.

[junior coral]

no just the one with wall of nothing

[mystic sierra]

I just wanna play big explosion wizard fantasy gdi

[junior coral]

regular

[stone rapids]

sorc was arguably the strongest spec in 1.1

[weary hamlet]

this isnt really a thing and also the current state of mage mostly owes to the previous state of mage, which had been OP AF for years

like remember that 10k corruption static orb build in 8.4?

[plain garnet]

Sorc was definitely not the strongest spec in 1.1

[mystic sierra]

Ah ok let me correct myself "Mage is too strong let's over correct" this is just as much of a common thing lol

[junior coral]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olGk9RnB

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (25) / Spellblade (5) / Runemaster (63)

General:

▸ Health: 1,398, Regen: 24/s
▸ Mana: 685.04, Regen: 14.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 542%, Regen: 349/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 15 Dex / 166 Int / 11 Att / 9 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 62% / 124% / 94% / 70% / 69% / 63%
▸ EHP: 22,617 / 20,015 / 22,617 / 25,023 / 21,540 / 21,337 / 20,194

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 723
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,177)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Swiftness, Frenzy, Haste, Lightning Aegis

Used skills:

• Lightning Blast (20)
• Static Orb (20)
• Frost Wall (20)
• Teleport (20)
• Flame Ward (20)

Used unique items:

• Wall of Nothing
• Atrophy
• Orian's Descent
• Blood of the Exile
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Oceareon
• Devotion
• Stormcarved Testament

This build has a guide:

Season 2 - Brand Of Deception/Wall Of Nothing Runemaster - 1K Corruption - LE Build Guide by Bigdaddy

[weary hamlet]

idk just pick meteor, pick focus, spam your meteor

doesn't need to be harder than that

[junior coral]

is it very hard to do that build

[mystic sierra]

Black Hole Meteor was my first thought and then I got told how hard it is to deal with mana lol

[stone rapids]

depends on what your goal was, the spark charge build was an extremely strong all-rounder

[weary hamlet]

ditch the black hole, it doesn't do anything worthwhile really

[harsh abyss]

Self cast meteor is perfectly fine though

[weary hamlet]

either go for self-cast meteor or the belt (shrapnel ver)

or both

[plain garnet]

The FC spark charge build was certainly OP for sure, but I think Ballista Falconer was still a stronger overall build

[junior coral]

oh all his legendary has peftect 2lp stuff

[stone rapids]

ZHP sure, but then you have the downside of being zhp, i think it competed pretty well with non-zhp variants

[junior coral]

i guess ill just do druid then that is supposed to be easy to gear

[mystic sierra]

Yeah I might test out Meteor still, but now Zerax has me entranced with his prism nova idea so i might start ele nova instead haha

[harsh abyss]

lol

I still don't think prism nova is a good starter

[plain garnet]

Eh maybe that specific sorc build was the strongest in 1.1, but they completely removed that build so sorc lost an incredible amount of power this patch

[harsh abyss]

But it could be a fun second build

[plain garnet]

Without that specific spark charge FC build, sorc wasn't even close to the best, while Falconer still had a ton of strong builds

[stone rapids]

i agree, sorc is on the weaker side this patch but 1.1 it was one of the best, and runemaster has also historically been very good

[weary hamlet]

falconer was just dumb

not sure if its adequately nerfed

need to recheck the patch notes

[plain garnet]

I agree

It got light nerfs, whereas spark FC got taken out back and old yellered

[weary hamlet]

zerax is a meme lord, what is he gonna suggest you next, channeled LB or something?

[stone rapids]

it was also an extremely unhealthy interaction tbf

[mystic sierra]

Yeah truth be told I might also check out Dreadful's Lightning Fissure Smite Paladin and play that to experience new Sentinel and get some early farming to deck out a Mage. Too many options! Haha

[harsh abyss]

Phys crit black hole

[weary hamlet]

you monster!

[harsh abyss]

I've actually always liked the idea of collapse black hole

[weary hamlet]

calm down there satan

[harsh abyss]

But it's not good enough to try

[weary hamlet]

like tbh they should just swap those to fire damage

or cold

with fire conversion from the red giant node

[harsh abyss]

Collapse is cold, the phys hit is the center of the black hole

[weary hamlet]

it could be a legit build if they werent so weird about it

isn't it also phys?

yea whatever I never played it

[plain garnet]

It's wild to me that this is after they nerfed it a bunch in 1.1, too. Falconer was so much better than both other Rogue classes in 1.0 it wasn't even close

[weary hamlet]

wait did they nerf it in 1.1? Nobody noticed that

[harsh abyss]

Just checked, it's Cold. That means it SHOULD get the fire conversion

[stone rapids]

it's got a lot of stuff that are pretty inherent to the build, falconer will always be very strong

[stone rapids]

yeah dive bomb used to do way more damage in 1.0, if you can believe it

[plain garnet]

Yep.

[junior coral]

i'm sure someone will make a good mage build that don't need insane items to work

[plain garnet]

1.1 patch notes

[weary hamlet]

I mean I've seen a lot of really dumb builds in LE over the years but falconer is a first of a whole class having downright dumb design

[junior coral]

what is a good "league start" to take to 400 corruption without needing insane items

[weary hamlet]

you got an immortal pet, surely that comes at a damage trade off right?

[plain garnet]

Your gear on falconer literally didn't matter in 1.0

[stone rapids]

for mage specifically or just in general?

[weary hamlet]

to balance it against other minion classes with mortal pets right?

[junior coral]

mage

[plain garnet]

I was doing monos with blues

[junior coral]

if not then ill do Druid it has a few

[weary hamlet]

right the tradeoff is that you do 50 times more damage for free

[stone rapids]

spellblade definitely gets much better with uniques but damage and ward should come online fairly early

[junior coral]

oh i dont like melee

[stone rapids]

maybe glacier then? idk

[junior coral]

uhh i think im gonna try another class lol

[weary hamlet]

400c is gonna be a pretty low bar to clear in s2

[stone rapids]

spark charge sorc was the fastest to come online but that's gone

[weary hamlet]

I'd wager with the item changes you could do that no problem with any primary build/skill

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, the ward/sec and threshold affixes for rings alone are gonna make things really smooth

[junior coral]

I can't find any on youtube. just keep finding super end game builds that you can't start for long time

and mostly Sentinel or Primalist stuff

guess no mage content creators anymore

[stone rapids]

if you want to play ranged mage just run glacier until you can build up gear to run a more high investment setup

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I mean literally take any skills you want and you can get to endgame, then do whatever build you're chasing

[junior coral]

oh ok

[harsh abyss]

LE is built so you can experiment and find what you like. You don't NEED to follow a leveling guide or anything

[stone rapids]

for ranged specifically glacier has always been a pretty good option especially early, and the only thing that changed was it may be a bit more mana intensive

[junior coral]

still i'd like a guide like all the other classes have, but whatever ill just try anything

[stone rapids]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/glacier-sorcerer-guide

something like this should be fine once you hit 70

[junior coral]

and to get 70 I use same skill?

[mild spoke]

so true

[stone rapids]

you'd wanna run a mana skill until you have a lot of max mana, probably mana strike early and focus later

[harsh abyss]

It's honestly one of the best parts bout the game.

[stone rapids]

but as a main damage skill glacier should be pretty smooth throughout the campaign and normal monos

[weary hamlet]

this level 70 thing on maxroll is so weird

there is no real reason why you cant play in glacier right from the point when you get glacier

[mild spoke]

i wonder if gamblers is from the same quest

[junior coral]

mage sucks in endgame going by maxroll tho

[weary hamlet]

the campaign is so easy you dont even have to do anything specific to get through it reasonably fast

[mild spoke]

maxroll is so bad for that lol

meteor was nerfed and they cried bout it

[weary hamlet]

maxroll is werid with its tier lists too

[stone rapids]

with the mastery respec now the optimal way is to level spellblade, which is the most unfortunate part about what mastery respec does to build diversity

[weary hamlet]

like they arent even accurate within their own builds

[mild spoke]

mage is better than most primalist builds still

[harsh abyss]

The problem is that build guides are generally catered to the top 2% of builds. But LE is set up so that the top 30% of builds can get to and compelte endgame stuff. Maybe except uber aberroth now.

[weary hamlet]

and say right now they have a tornado shaman build but no tornado bear

like why? bear is just strictly better

[stone rapids]

maxroll tierlists are mostly built around with optimized gear, and not exactly perfect

[mild spoke]

tornado bear so funny to watch

[stone rapids]

if your goal is "looking for something with low gear investment" then the maxroll tier lists won't really tell you much

[weary hamlet]

like what is the difference anyways? I've leveled dozens of sorc and spellblade chars over the yeras, the diff in campaign speed is negligible

why bother with the respec if it saves you 5 minutes?

[mild spoke]

ive had spellblades at 1k corruption

[full bluff]

Maxroll only have a small selection of mage builds, old ones. Usually not the top ones. There are a lot more mage builds around that are better.

[stone rapids]

it might be a little faster than that but generally i agree, just now everywhere is going to only suggest the "best mastery" of the 3 because it's "optimal" but if you don't need a guide any build can do campaign with their eyes closed

[weary hamlet]

I detest this approach, objectively the difference is extremely small, it isn't worth wasting breath on it, much less writing guides

what should I do next, hyper optimize the way I scratch my balls while playing?

[junior coral]

what lvl are you by end of campaign

[weary hamlet]

It probably wastes more of my time than the clear diff between many builds

Let's evaluate it in-depth

[stone rapids]

if you do no skips 55-60

[weary hamlet]

consider different options

[stone rapids]

yeah, it's just what has the most updated builds and gives decently in-depth explanations

[full bluff]

I recommend using ice barrage with any skill, starting a mage. Spec multi shot with it and it will just clear everything ahead of you. Just run and monsters die.

[weary hamlet]

tbh if you just drop the campaign after the lance you'll be around 40-45

[junior coral]

okay so once im 70 what end game build do you think will be good to start off on

[stone rapids]

i assume he is going to play the full campaign and not do any skips

[weary hamlet]

why though?

[scenic sail]

Glacier + Meteor is a very powerful overall build with very few specific item requirements. It got some nerfs, but it shouldn't have a problem getting to 1k corruption with decent items.

[stone rapids]

my impression is that he's a fairly new player and would probably want to experience that content at least once

[junior coral]

i maybe did it a long time ago

[stone rapids]

glacier is one of the easier ranged setups for early endgame, i'm primarily a spellblade player so i wouldn't know

but glacier has always been strong and hasn't recieved any really substantial changes

[scenic sail]

The limitation of only proccing critical rejuvination 10 times per second will be a speed limit on how much mana you can get out of the skill, but overall Glacier should still be one of the best sorcerer skills because it pairs well with mana stacking.

[viral iris]

I am new to the game and looking for a powerful endgame build for mage. you guys think frost claw is good?

[stone rapids]

frost claw will still be decent but it lost its strongest interaction and you would likely want to go for a frostbite setup

[viral iris]

what build are you guys going?

[scenic sail]

I played Ballista in v1.1 and never understood why people think it's simply a "zhp" build in general. I had consistent 5k ward, 70%+ dodge rating, up to 60% endurance and good resistances, it was not as tanky as my mage build but it was certainly a far cry from a zhp build

[full bluff]

I am playing frozen orb with frostbite ailments

[stone rapids]

i'll be doing my shatter strike spellblade again, it's worked very well for me on 1k+ corruption and is one of the fastest boss nukers i've played, including abberoth

[viral iris]

i was looking at frozen orb looks really fun

[plain garnet]

There were two variants of that ballista falconer; the tanky version, as you mentioned, and a zhp one that did like 3x the damage but died to a sneeze

[full bluff]

This is a kind of guide for frozen orb, bit old, but most of the stuff is the same https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWCEXU2yx28

[stone rapids]

well, it still had silver shroud which is an absolutely obscene defensive tool, but yeah

[full bluff]

(it can be improved a lot in endgame)

[viral iris]

i want a good aoe and boss killer build

[stone rapids]

i can send my spellblade if you're ok with melee

[viral iris]

spellblade is a melee build?

[stone rapids]

yes

[viral iris]

sorry just started playing like 3 weeks ago and then found out about season 2 coming out tomorrow

now im looing for a good season 2 build lol

[scenic sail]

There are lots of variants of ballista builds, with two main different styles and the build I made was just based on what I liked to play and i don't do the zhp style of build. Ballista really doesn't have anything to do with a zhp style, that's entirely up to the player if they want to ignore defenses and go for an all offense style of play...

but mage is the same way, some people play with all offensive gear and virtually no defense in their passive tree, grear or skills

[sour trellis]

In 1.1 what corruption did you hit ..

[stone rapids]

with the non zhp builds for ballista falc up to 1.5k was pretty comfortable, for me

[scenic sail]

I stopped at 4k corruption, which I could clear quite easily and still survive with 2-3 hits by small enemies or 1 big hit.

[stone rapids]

i did find past that point that the zhp variant generally performed better, in my experience

[scenic sail]

I got to 4k corruption in about 5 weeks with no build guides, no help or anything. It was a lot of fun to explore the falconer / ballista skill set.

[sour trellis]

Yeah I think 1.1 someone invited me to help with shade at 2k early on .. not sure if was you . I was on static orb mage and failed .. could only clear 1900

[harsh abyss]

1900 should be more than enough