🧙┃mage

[rapid hinge]

I dont think this can ever be good

At least not build-defining level of good

It might be good trash clear supplement damage for glacier orb build

[spare pendant]

you can use it on static orb, and use all the little orbs

so you in theory could apply a bunch of them with one click

[rapid hinge]

The damage is tiny compare to the orb's damage

Oh it might be big if you dont take the mana stacking node

[spare pendant]

yeah you can just scale spark charge damage

like all the meta runemasters are doing right now

it could be insane

[rapid hinge]

But why play orb if you dont take those lol

[spare pendant]

because in theory you can apply like 6 spark charges with one click, which is definitely a relevant amount

[rapid hinge]

Thats because you can sustain FC

[spare pendant]

I mean 40 mana which is then given a 20% discount

its not the worst thing in the world

[rapid hinge]

True

Could be a thing

[spare pendant]

im sustaining an 80 mana cost meteor with a decent amount of effort with only 400 mana

idk if you say the meteor setup I made a week or two ago

40 mana cost isn't a big deal at all TBH

[rapid hinge]

You spamming 80 cost meteor?

[spare pendant]

yep

its a little bit of effort but it was working

[rapid hinge]

Direct use?

[spare pendant]

on a cycle start fresh character

yep

[rapid hinge]

Thats interesting

[spare pendant]

https://youtu.be/MEsBaskGJYc

very close to being good

and remember

thats a fresh character in CoF with no stash or anything

in 2 days of playtime

imagine if you actually invested into it

and got some CDR too

thats important obviously

[rapid hinge]

Nah i dont count that as spamming

[spare pendant]

I didn't even have a lick of CDR

[rapid hinge]

Far from

[spare pendant]

I mean thats because its a character thats like 2 days in lol

when you have floor trash everything looks awful

[rapid hinge]

I get the idea

I think i tried that once

[spare pendant]

it will be a billion times better with the new nodes

because not only are you getting the 20% discount when you actually invest into mana

you are also getting the 40% AoE

for more overlaps

[rapid hinge]

You're right non-mana stacking orb could be a thing

You get small orb + tendrils for spark charge

[spare pendant]

yeah thats what I was thinking

oh yeah

I forgot about tendrils lmao

that should be insane too

oh wait

are we stupid flick

wtf

just use ice barrage and that for single target

lmao

we are just stupid

so youd spam orb then use ice barrage for extra

[rapid hinge]

Huh

[spare pendant]

so many spark charges

ice barrage can get over 40 mana

it does not specify lightning

[rapid hinge]

Oh yeah

[spare pendant]

yeah lmao you use both for single targt, and just static orb for clear

[rapid hinge]

Will still have to wait to see it's on hit or on use tho

The wording is a little confusing

[spare pendant]

oh if its on use its like

dead in the water lmao

[rapid hinge]

Likely to be on hit

But canmot be 100% sure

[spare pendant]

I hope its on hit because if it was on use it would be so bad lmao

[rapid hinge]

You never know

[spare pendant]

nah

so look

on hit

[robust junco]

Says on hit in the node

[rapid hinge]

Also almost all the more damage node from orb tree is conditional tho

[spare pendant]

its not when you use a skill and hit

[rapid hinge]

So the damage might be not that good

[spare pendant]

spark charges do not inherit more damage

they never do

you just want to hit as many times as possible

[rapid hinge]

Oh

[spare pendant]

spark charges have great damage scaling wiht enigma by themselves

[rapid hinge]

True true

It's an ailment that procs like shadow dagger

[spare pendant]

oh my god

can we get frost claw

to hit 40 mana

wtf

oh my god flick

[rapid hinge]

Pretty sure you can

[spare pendant]

volcanic orb can hit too

huh your just gonna have to like

try a bunch of things

[rapid hinge]

Basically any thing that cost 40 mana

[spare pendant]

and see what works best lmao

dude nodes like this are amazing

[rapid hinge]

And do a bunch of hits

[spare pendant]

dude imagine ok

ice barrage and volcanic orb

then you wouldnt have to scale cast speed at all

and run the volcanic orb setup that creates a bunch of the small explosions

like I did that one time

[weary hamlet]

yea but lb has a 200% more multiplier for static charges, I don't think this is going to be very competitive

[spare pendant]

200% more mutliplier?

[weary hamlet]

any key difference from the old meteor + mana strike builds?

[spare pendant]

im confused of what you are refrencing

oh you mean LB

yeah but LB is only a 40% chance

while this is 100% chance with better skills

you get 200% more for 40% chance, which is like 80% effiecency

while you can click static orb, and apply 6 spark charges in one click

[weary hamlet]

hmmm

[spare pendant]

unless you can get a 40 mana lightning blast

[weary hamlet]

I wonder if all the VO subskills will inherit the proc chance

[spare pendant]

it should in theory

[weary hamlet]

does insidious conduction count?

[rapid hinge]

That u need to test

[spare pendant]

thats channel cost, not actual cost

[rapid hinge]

If wording is right it should work

[spare pendant]

yeah I think if it didnt work, it would be bugged

[tender pelican]

so basically we nerf the mana costs of frostclaw so people cannot spam unlimited spark charges so now the players increase frost claws mana cost so they can spam unlimited ( mana limited ) spark charges

[weary hamlet]

hmmm, bugged you say, now that would be a first in LE

[slim python]

Do disintegrate get buffed or nerfed overall?

[spare pendant]

we dont know

we need to see the rest of the tree

but its looking ok for it so far

[weary hamlet]

with just what was revealed, massively nerfed. But they claim that it has 24 changes, so that's likely 24 nodes reworked. And they've shown only 3

Other than that their preview reminded me how limp the baseline particle/animation for disintegrate is

[slim python]

That 2 core item will not work together.... That alone is a huge nerf

I just hope skill tree will make it same or better dps

[harsh abyss]

Well, the combo is dead, which is super healthy, but we just have no idea how much better the skill itself will be. Presumably significantly since the only thing keeping is an okay skill was that broken combo

[spare pendant]

they should probably just rework the offhand at this point TH

TBH*

[harsh abyss]

I'm planning to do a similar thing to your meteor build, but building pretty differently. Instead of using a bunch of different skills to regen your mana, just stacking up craptons of mana and using Focus. Just... have enough mana to be able to cast 20-30 meteors before needing to focus. I'll be using Vilatria's set for lightning meteor.

The new sorc nodes are going to be amazing for that sort of build.

I like to use one big meteor that just covers the whole screen, using Stardust and Apocalyptic Impact.

[barren pawn]

Thanks for ruining disintegrate.

[weary hamlet]

they should make more niche/transformative/meme unques and less flat power level ones

[barren pawn]

Based off whats been shown in the devblog, ytall didnt do nearly enough to offset removing gamblers scaling from it.

[harsh abyss]

I want a unique that makes it so buffs you get while channeling linger after you stop channeling. I feel like channeling could use a lot more interesting support: #1210288709543403520 message

[robust junco]

Someone has been playing too much Slormancer 😉

[harsh abyss]

I was never able to get into Slormancer, for some reason the gameplay didn't hook me.

Did they have something similar?

[robust junco]

They have exactly that

You keep your channeling buffs for 4 second after you interrupt the channel

[barren pawn]

wha tthe heck is a slormancer?

[feral moss]

i'm confused at what specifically they changed to make gambler's no longer work with ingvar's head. they shared some changes in the blog post indicating that was their design intention, but i don't think they actually shared the updated text for either of those uniques.

[robust junco]

An indie Arpg/HnS

Made by 2 peoples

[feral moss]

none of the changes they've showed so far actually break the ingvar+gambler's interaction... if i had to guess they probably changed ingvar's effect somehow

[nimble shoal]

Who knows, they could have capped Ignivar's, could have changed how Fallacy applies, or something else entirely

someone should tell Ave she misspelled Ignivar's, btw

[feral moss]

pretty sure it's spelled ingvar's heed

[full bluff]

I tested 40 mana cost frost claw on sorcerer and can pretty much sustain it without the new mana cost refund. If they don't nerf frost claw mana regen, this will just be silly on sorcerer.

One cast of frost claw = 10 sparks charges on a single target

This can't be right 🙂

Add in 7-10 hits per second ice barrage...

[nimble shoal]

[barren pawn]

They made gamblers not apply to channeled abiulities.

and it WAS spelled ignivars head but i always said ingvars

if they changed it because of me imma laugh my ass off

[nimble shoal]

They didn't change it, unless they plan to change it in 1.1

[bleak wind]

This is lastepochtools

Could just be British spelling XD

[harsh abyss]

I just use "we have disintegrate at home": Insidious Conduction Lightning Blast 😝

[proven haven]

I tested it before but I was able to get 25 or sometimes more hits per FC cast with this weird tech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUWZ1dOfBqM

That's 25 spark charges per click. +the 12% of enigma and whatever other sources you have. at 150 int that would be 300 flat lightning enigma scaling over 7500 flat damage per click. Possible oneshot boss meme build there.

You can also trigger a free FC with the melee node iirc so I'm curious if it would still count for that node. If so you could spam 40 mana cost FC with mana strike and apply an absolute load of spark charges

[tender pelican]

Mana strike version felt weak to me but I didn’t stick for too long with it

[proven haven]

Mike confirmed triggers don't apply it: #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[nimble shoal]

For all mana cost stuff, it goes off actual mana spent from directly casting

[proven haven]

yea you could get a 40 mana cost FC that hits 25+ times

but I guess that makes sense, considering the mana spent gained as ward not working on triggers either

[harsh abyss]

I kinda wonder how that works with normal multi-hit skills though. Like do the shrapnel from VO count as hits or are those "triggered"? If you use the frost claw node that makes each one of the claws hit, is that going to trigger it 5 times? Or is it just once per cast per enemy?

Sounds like the FC one is confirmed if you could make all 5 claws hit and pump the mana cost up to 40 using a Gale Staff or something?

[vale tartan]

So we want a spell that costs 40 mana an dhits a lot for the spark charges , do we also want a 10 mana spell to build up Runic Energy for Runic Invocation ? Would Invocations also count as the 40 Mana Spell ?

[harsh abyss]

Depends on the invocation, some invocations cost more than others.

[topaz hare]

Aergon's Mirror Bolt build time?

[harsh abyss]

Ball Lightning (GonGonGon) hits 4x a second and costs 64 mana as a base

Plasma orb could be hilarious, actually

Do a fireball for mana regen, convert it half to lightning so you get RahGonRah as a standard rune set, then constantly spam plasma orbs that orbit and hit?

The other obvious one would be hydrahedron.

oh wait, none of that works

"Requires 40 points in Sorcerer"

If you're looking at the most spark charges you could apply, you're probably looking at Ice Barrage + Volcanic Orb (if the shrapnel hits apply the charge).

Or, as other people mentioned: Static Orb with Scatter Blast is a bunch of hits as well

[vale tartan]

Ohhh right .. its actual sorcerer passives and not indirect runemaster buffs

[nimble shoal]

Since the passive essentially just gives +100% spark charge chance to the skill, the shrapnel will inherit that ailment chance like normal

[vale tartan]

but you still need the node from lightning blast to detonate the spark charges fast enough right ?

[nimble shoal]

Spark charge has no stack limit, if that's what you're worried about

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, they'll detonate on their own, so unless you REALLY mind the 1s delay, you don't need LB to detonate them. That could be a really cool unique though.
"Spark charges do not detonate on their own, instead expiring after <time>
Detonate all spark charges when you hit the enemy with Lightning Blast
Spark Charges detonated this way do Y% more damage"

[nimble shoal]

Would be fun. Give it like Z% more area per stack on when it pops or something.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, would create an interesting play style. Like use Mana Strike or someth ing to apply a bunch of spark charges and then <kaboom>

[vale tartan]

thats similar to popping all the ignite stacks with Conflagrate

[ocean mauve]

So how are we solving for survival after ward nerf

[trim belfry]

pretty sure ward is still better than life with proper investment

[topaz hare]

equip wall of nothing, profit

[topaz hare]

there are lots more changes coming to ward and maybe health, we don't know until patch notes

[ocean mauve]

is that one of the new uniques? is there a full list somewhere

[topaz hare]

ya. not sure about a full list but https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/harbingers-of-ruin-whats-new/71684 has a bunch. wall of nothing is this

it's probably a pinnacle boss drop so getting LP on it probably sucks, but it's really good

[woven moss]

It’s certainly an interesting item

[ocean mauve]

wait what's good about this? i thought ward decay threshold is bad

or am i missing something about the "12% chance to take 0 damage when hit"

[topaz hare]

ward decay threshold is a fine stat, it's basically just health

so what that item is doing is making endurance threshold about twice as good as normal, which is enough to be worth stacking

just be a hybrid build with not too much health, endurance covering your entire health pool, a few thousand ward on top

[ocean mauve]

that makes sense

[topaz hare]

(obviously there will still be other ways, will depend on how much individual ward sources are nerfed. that's just one that immediately stuck out to me)

[harsh abyss]

Well, you can stack endurance threshold without needing to endurance value as well, which means it could be good all on its own without worrying about health. Ward Decay Threshold is good for Ward/Sec builds because it lowers the floor where your ward regen is 100% effective and the new curve of ward decay is at "0".

The chance to take 0 damage when hit is straightforward and just... good

Also we're getting the Nemesis system, so even 0LP versions of this could be good since you can add LP to any version. And CoF might be able to duplicate the drops.

[topaz hare]

you can, but if you already have endurance covering most/all of your health it seems like it would usually be worth the pretty small investment to cap endurance and get a source of health recovery as well

unless you're doing something else with your health

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, definitely can't hurt. I mostly just like that it effectively turns a suffix on Gloves, Helm, Belt, Ring, Relic into Ward Decay Threshold

That by itself is rad

[ocean mauve]

what's a good cycle start sorcerer build?

[main dock]

Glacier, unless it gets nerfed. Big dmg in campaign and early monos

[harsh abyss]

I always start builds with lightning Ele nova into the Spark Charge and AOE nodes, it makes the early game super easy because having spark charges basically doubles the damage of the build early. That kinda carries me until I can do whatever else I wanted. Plus you can add the Teleport nova nodes in to triple apply spark charges to things real fast, clears out most of the small mobs.

[ocean mauve]

i'll give this a try

[harsh abyss]

It's pretty easy, just put 5 points in the Spark Charge node, then get points in Elemental Expanse. That'll take you until you unlock your mastery, then you can kinda do whatever you like. It can be a little slow on bosses, but as long as you're diligent about upgrading your staff/wand (you want to -mana cost from them), your damage should be pretty fine.

Since it puts a spark charge on everything it hits, it clears screens super easy. And the mana cost is low enough that you can spam it through most fights and then use mana strike to recharge your mana

[proven eagle]

how can i view the brand of deception dmg? i tried to find but found no where to view the damage of the brand

[weary hamlet]

IB should clearly work, but whether or not it works with all the VO subskills (which it has what, 4?) remains to be seen

[weary hamlet]

if we had learned anything from playing LE, that would be that nothing is "normal" when it comes to bugs, oversights, and unintended interactions

[full bluff]

Thats what I like about games like this, the developers make stuff, we the players get to try and "break it" 🙂

[vale tartan]

i love trying to break stuff 🙂 its fun for a while but also gets reported quickly

[sour panther]

Hello, does anyone know how the halo effect node for lightning blast is supposed to work? it says 100% chance to trigger spark nova at first target hit with 4 points but it does not do anything for me, playing with elemental nova skilled and crest of unity. I also tested without crest of unity, there just is no spark nova. Spark nova should be the nova from elemental nova or is it a separate skill?

guess its a separate skill since the tree in elemental nova is called lightning nova.

[radiant vessel]

Spark nova != Elemental nova

Yup, spark nova is a tiny aoe, it's kinda useless

[sour panther]

yep seems like it 😄 ty

[weary hamlet]

I'm pretty sure that it's also bugged

[sour nest]

Any tier list for 1.1?

[vague loom]

Fam we don't even have patch notes yet.

[tender pelican]

Some around S tier mage acolyte A tier maybe something rogue and F tier sentinel and primalist

[sour panther]

no tierlist is the best tierlist

[sour panther]

also heard the acolyte is d tier but didnt watch it.. 🤪

[tender pelican]

Lich maybe slightly outdated

[woven moss]

Mage and acolyte do be lookin pretty stronk with current 1.1 info

[slim umbra]

Disintegrate is S+ tier in the fun list

[harsh abyss]

Its bugged, doesnt work right now.

Its a triggered subskill that just doesnt function. I habe a build that uses that, plus the channel, plus allowing you to channel at zero mana that used to be super fun, but it's borked right now.

[robust gorge]

It might be good in some setups since the LB tree mutates it

[robust gorge]

Oof, just read

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it IS good if you build around it like I did: https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/liaths-endless-lightning---infinite-lightning-blast-runemaster

[silk pewter]

Liath's Endless Lightning - Infinite Lightning Blast Runemaster Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Beta / 0.9.2f

Class

Mage / Runemaster

Used skills

• Lightning Blast
• Teleport
• Runic Invocation
• Glyph of Dominion
• Flame Ward

Used unique items

• Prismatic Gaze
• Static Shell
• Frostbite Shackles
• Strands of Souls
• Telf'un's Mirage
• Liath's Signet
• Liath's Signet

Tags

Leveling / Beginner / SSF

Created by zeraxdr · Oct 15, 2023, 11:31 PM

[harsh abyss]

But it was bugged all of 1.0 so I couldn't see how it held up 😢 Crossing my fingers for a fix in 1.1

TL:DR with Halo Effect + Insidious conduction, every channeled LB casts a spark nova. The AOE might be pretty small but when you're throwing out that many it clears screens like a dream

[proven haven]

Anyone have any guesses on if the Frost Claw bounce hits will still apply the new spark charge sorc node?

Mike said triggers don't count but I'm not 100% on this for FC. It's an extra cast but it's a bit different than other triggers, still sort of the same skill? Idk.

It could count as extra 0 cost mana triggers of same spell internally.

[nimble shoal]

I am really not sure on this one. The general rule is that skills that have skill trees don't inherit when procced, but since it's the same skill kinda proccing itself, it might.

It could be tested if we have something that is a really noticeable "your next spell does X" - if that thing affects the bounce stuff, then so should the spark charge thing

[full bluff]

Wild guess that only 1 spark charge can be applied to a target from the same cast, no matter how many hits it does to the target.

[proper hawk]

Doesn't work that way for other skills like mana strike so I'd be very surprised if it worked that way for frost claw

[robust junco]

The node does says on hit, so I would expect every hit to proc a spark charge

[ocean mauve]

can always ask mike

at the risk of "oh hmm let me take this back to the dev team...."

😛

I mean I'm not sure why it wouldn't apply on hit for frost claw...then you're just saying FC's entire design (and not just the mana refund part) is unintended

FC == exchange mana for hits

[ocean mauve]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

🤷‍♂️

prob just gonna have to test @ launch

[proven haven]

Recasts should trigger? That's insane if so

I'm seeing a boss oneshot FC build in the making

[ocean mauve]

I mean he didn't seem 100% sure, I wouldn't count on it until we test and see

Like why arent recasts "triggered spells"? It's a spell.... that's triggered

[proven haven]

It feels like it would be a 0 cast triggered spell

Since the cost is already been paid in direct cast

[ocean mauve]

right in which case it wouldn't trigger the spark charges

[rapid hinge]

it looks like devs dont even know for sure what they've made

🤷🏽‍♂️

[ocean mauve]

heh, to be fair though it's just one person and not "the devs"

[nimble shoal]

Moderators are not devs at all. They do typically know a lot, of course

[ocean mauve]

is this still the best leveling guide? https://cheatsheet.monster/lastepoch/

[nimble shoal]

And I suspect Mike might have been being quiet on this because he hates spark charges

[ocean mauve]

maybe, seems more likely that it's the 4th and he's off 😛

[nimble shoal]

He's Canadian, but I guess technically EHG is based in Texas, so idk lol

[tender pelican]

since this guide includes act 6-8 its impossible to be the best levelling guide ^^ doubles your leveling time if you do so

[ocean mauve]

gotcha, mind linking a better one?

[tender pelican]

rabbit did the best levelling video on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxi5Km09zPo

[ocean mauve]

ty

[tender pelican]

wierd thos preview pictures dont work in this discord 😄

tried his levelling thingy and was into monoliths in 1 hour 44 minutes so i cant see anything beating that as casual player

[rapid hinge]

that's dope

[proven haven]

Ayy Canucks represent 🇨🇦

[glossy mountain]

Im doing a lvling with my mage, im lvl 25 and im doing the glacier/maan strike build. its feeling like it fell off hard, any tips? (im currently feeling really squishy and my damage is pretty low)

[weary hamlet]

get better gear with relevant stats, glacier is fairly good even beyond leveling

[harsh abyss]

It's hard to give good advice for you without specific questions, but:
-Ensure that you're upgrading the base of your weapon(s). Higher tier bases add more flat damage, which is a significant boost to damage.
-Try and get at least 1 relevant damage affix on your weapons. Cast speed is always very good.
-Don't be afraid to pre-cast flame ward if you think you're going to take a lot of damage
-Get more health affixes on items
-Make sure you're getting resistances as well, if you're sitting at 0% monsters will do significantly more damage.

[celest folio]

Hello, i have 20 intell , 20 attunement, and i have Ucenui's Sphere. Iam sorceress lighting, i use static orb with orbital fulmination nodes, and water orb from item dont work....

[nimble shoal]

Are you hitting a boss or rare enemy? The 3 orbs per cast is a modifier to the item's cast on rare/boss hit, not just for any of your casts.

[celest folio]

yes i had try on rare and boss

[nimble shoal]

The orbs are reeally hard to see

[celest folio]

No visual, and when i check my stats, no stats from item

[dense walrus]

Where the dummies are there's one that acts like rare mob I think? Might be easier to see

[weary hamlet]

I'm pretty sure that this unique was reported as bugged early in the cycle and wasn't fixed since then

[full bluff]

This is 40 mana cost frost claw now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijwKbybslNM on sorcerer, if the changes aren't huge on frost claw and the spark on hit work on every hit...

[ocean mauve]

What about 32? That's what it would be with new archmage 20% refund

[full bluff]

I guess the refund happens after the spending (with a % chance), so you would still count it as 40 spend, then get 8 back

[ocean mauve]

Right. So I'm saying if you're testing the mana sustain for spark charge you should test at 32 instead of 40

[full bluff]

Or if it counts together, the refund is not useful for frost claw

Depends on how much mana you aim to get. I only have 300 here

[rapid hinge]

there will 100% change on FC's refunding stuff so no point testing now tbh

[ocean mauve]

That too

[full bluff]

I am guessing they turn FC into a real spender (with all the recast nodes taken), so you have to solve mana somewhere else

[woven moss]

My friend said playing a mage in 1.1 is cheating. Is this true?

[merry bear]

isnt there an op build in every class?

[woven moss]

Word on the street it’s just Mages for 1.1

[weary hamlet]

Cole we've been over this already, you should not trust the voices

they are not your friends

avalanche shaman is the new op build by the way

[tired lion]

the voices are ur friends, at least mines 😛

[merry bear]

what does it even matter. Just play whats most fun for you. There will always be bad builds if youre into that

[buoyant glacier]

Just beat them with your sentinels bro! Make a broken build again xD

[next lance]

What’s the overall tankiest build which still does decent damage?

[glossy mountain]

Maybe i have to strict of a loot filter. My res are pretty bad. Physcical,necrotic,posion,elemental are ~15%

[harsh abyss]

Thats not too bad for level 25, you're taking about 10% more damage from those elements. Monsters do 1% ressitance penetration per level, so you want 1% resistance per level to counteract it. One of your biggest resists to watch is Physical, many things do that damage during the campaign. And then each act has a tendency to do specific damage types on top of that.

[tender pelican]

many loot filters highlight phys void and necrotic res up to lvl 35 and thats a nice rule to add ... since later you can anyway craft your shards on better gear

at the same time its normal to go to maps with 0 res and fix it there by about lvl 50-60 😄

the resistance calculation isnt " as bad " as in poe where you take 400% dmg with 0 res you take 175% damage with 0 res here vs lvl 75+ mobs ... still bad sure but not that bad 😄

so lvl 20 with 20 resistances is taking 100% dmg

[glossy mountain]

PATCH NOTAES

[hollow idol]

frost claw somehow got buffed but they killed reowyn 😭

[grizzled lily]

Reowyn’s Frostguard no longer grants 30% damage reduction. Its ward granted every 0.4s is now 20 + 1 per intelligence (from 14 + 0.5 per intelligence)

[ocean mauve]

FC gutted, not buffed (as expected)

Gift of Winter’s chance to gain 12 mana on cast can now only occur on **direct **casts

It's probably still S tier, just not in its current spammy 5k+ corruption version

[harsh abyss]

RM ward generation got gutted on the high end, as expected.

RIP Halo Effect, no bug fix for me.

New Sorcerer nodes look freaking awesome. % damage taken from mana before health on the tree is excellent

Also, the sorcerer mastery bonus got a HUGE buff

[glossy mountain]

Mind over matter 😛

Yea sorc looks nuts !

Im excited

[harsh abyss]

Since no bug fix for my lightning blast build, I'm probably going to do a lightning meteor vilatria build with a side of spellblade fire(lightning) aura.

[copper raven]

spellblade finally playable?

[young gust]

Sets went unchanged right?

[harsh abyss]

They didn't change them to add LP or anything. I think they said they're going to have a big update for sets in the next cycle but no big changes this cycle.

Sets don't show up in the notes anywhere, so probably no real adjustments.

[hollow idol]

oh rip i didnt noticce the gift of winter nerf

[harsh abyss]

I'm not sure why people thought FC would get buffed. It was busted strong last cycle.

[queen mason]

anyone know what's the second mastery bonus?

[harsh abyss]

It used to be 1% increased damage per mana cost. The "Second bonus" just means the second bonus that the mastery grants. The first bonus is +50 mana

That's a huuuuuuge buff.

[rapid hinge]

lmao

it's a tradition at this point

[glossy mountain]

Every mastery/spec has a bonus. Sorcs mastery "bonus" is what changed in that text

[queen mason]

Ohhh thanks

lol I don't active this node now

Refund 20% mana cost is very delicious!

[sand pawn]

Man we got a huge nerf… straight up removing the 30% HHa

[harsh abyss]

From Frostguard? Yeah, that's totally fair though. That stacked with Flame ward gave a silly amount of damage reduction.

[hard meteor]

no black hole changes...

[queen mason]

oh so recovery speed increased up to 25% instead of 20%. Good change.

[plain walrus]

yall doing sorc builds is more viable with the mana regen buffs or is it still crap compared to any decent 1k+ corruption build

[queen mason]

I'm not sure it's good or not

[harsh abyss]

I have a feeling that most 1k+ corruption builds are going to be significantly nerfed

[harsh abyss]

It's very good

[barren pawn]

1k corr wasnt supposed to be a thing

[plain walrus]

they were but even then sorc is still crap compared to any decent high corruption build

[harsh abyss]

Sorcerer is going to be much more viable now. Between sorc buffs and RM nerfs, it feels like it's probably going to be a lot more viable.

[barren pawn]

the devs stated that achieving 4 digit corruption numbers was a mistake on their part

[weary hamlet]

uh am I missing something? Disintegrate seems to be absolutely gutted going by the patch notes

[barren pawn]

it is.

@weary hamlet

they removed the gamblers interaction, so we kiss a 20x multiplicative bonus goodbyw

[plain walrus]

ngl disintergate needed that nerf bad

[weary hamlet]

so much for "they'll give it comp buffs for removing gamblers"

[barren pawn]

are you high?

[weary hamlet]

it didn't really, it was average at best

[barren pawn]

do you have ANY ide how hard it is for disintegrate to be even remotely viable?

[plain walrus]

it was way to busted was able to hit over 100k dps at like level 20 with it, with basicly no gear

[weary hamlet]

while also being a turret playstyle

[weary hamlet]

more like 40x multi just from that

[barren pawn]

uh huh.... sure bud.... base the nerf / buffs off LEVEL 20 CAMPAIGN PERFORMANCE

[weary hamlet]

and they even nerfed its base damage (via nerfing bonus damage nodes)

but now it can sh it out fireballs and volcanic orbs I guess, nevermind that it would have been a viable playstyle.. had they not also removed its mana regen nodes

[barren pawn]

Disintegrate is VERY meh in emp monos dude.

[weary hamlet]

I just cannot even begin to understand the design direction there

[barren pawn]

Tell me you know nothing about the skill without actually telling me

[weary hamlet]

They even removed its range node so that now it doesn't reach archer mobs shooting at you

pepega

[glossy mountain]

really, i saw disintegrate and thought of the lightning charge stacking or w.e

its really looking that bad?

and static orb procs

[barren pawn]

They literally removed a 20x multiplicative damage bonus from it

[weary hamlet]

well it's literally a 95% damage reduction from gamblers and nodes

with maybe a 30% buff from its baseline scaling

[barren pawn]

20+

and ONLY buffed base by like 30%

[weary hamlet]

so now it will do like 7% of its current damage

which wasn't anything to write home about

[harsh abyss]

...the baseline scaling is more than a 50% buff by default?

[barren pawn]

None of the " buffs " make up for the loss of gamblers

[glossy mountain]

yea isnt the base a huge buff?

[barren pawn]

No, not really.

[harsh abyss]

That's 60% more damage at the get go.

[weary hamlet]

yea it's more of a 60% buff to effectiveness whicn isn't bad

but that's still nothing compared to gamblers

[barren pawn]

HAving played around with base damage stacking on dis pre 1.1, base damage buffs REALLY arent offesettin losing gambler.

I tested this already.

Multiple times.

[weary hamlet]

and while you can now skip itemizing crit in favor of a little more ele dot, it still doesn't look good chief

[barren pawn]

Multiple different ways.

[harsh abyss]

Also there are nodes that give More damage per max mana and per intelligence

[weary hamlet]

yeah except they also nerfed some of the existing nodes

[barren pawn]

yeah that mana stacking node? its ONE PERCENT PER EIGHT MANA DUDE

[harsh abyss]

Also the node that makes it longer is still in there. They just moved the location

[queen mason]

I'll take this node definitely

[harsh abyss]

1% more per 8 mana is a huge amount of damage though

[barren pawn]

Not when you stop at 300.

[harsh abyss]

You could easily make that node 200% more damage

[barren pawn]

Because its all you can afford to build for.

[queen mason]

All nodes about granting mana for sorcerer is in my net

[barren pawn]

Youre WAY too busy stacknig defensive stats and other stuff to stack mana enough for that node to matter.

[glossy mountain]

if your playing sorc, your mana isnt going to be 300, it should be around 1000-1200

[harsh abyss]

Oh no, you have to balance you build around offense and defense?

[barren pawn]

RM. Disintegrate was best an an RM due to defensive capabilities in 1.0

[glossy mountain]

sorc is a mana stacker, why would 300 mana be the scaling ?

[barren pawn]

Again, Rm.

Disintegrate is a universal.

[glossy mountain]

sure, but disintegrate has alot of mana stacking nodes, so sorc is prob going to be the play

[queen mason]

hah? :( I'm far away from 1k

[glossy mountain]

yea i get that

[harsh abyss]

With RM you could instead go for Dragon's Tongue to give yourself more int stacking. That's an easy 50% more.

[glossy mountain]

but not every skill is for every mastery

[weary hamlet]

it's still gonna be better on RM I guess cause of the glyph synergy

[scenic sail]

With these new updates 1k will be more attainable, but still 1k mana is a lot

[harsh abyss]

Also, Even with 300 mana, that's still almost 40% more damage for one point, which is pretty big.

[barren pawn]

And? 40% doesnt make up for the other 1960% you lose from gamblers

[glossy mountain]

Like i think EHG wants disintegrate to work well with mana stacking. Im looking forward to it and hoping it works. The chnages looked resonable. just wondering why its dooming

[harsh abyss]

Well no one said it's going to equal out. Gamblers was known to be super broken 🤷‍♀️

[barren pawn]

i dont think you seem to grasp how massive the buffs dis needs to get are, to make up for losing gamblers, which is all that made the skill viable you gronk

[abstract trench]

Damn I was hoping mana strike would get a fire conversion, got cold 😭

[harsh abyss]

Eh, if it still ends up sucking, then they can easily buff it in a variety of ways. The Gamblers interaction needed to go before they could even try to effectively balance the skill.

[grizzled lily]

they are buffing mana affix as well wow

[barren pawn]

buff it when? you expect them to buff it mid cycle?

they dont do that.

[scenic sail]

Well you can't whine about something that was previously broken, my character Fireball + meteor didn't even get a mention. Meteor literally isn't mentioned at all and it's not exactly super powerful as is.

[barren pawn]

They nerf stuff thats actually broken.

[weary hamlet]

wait a second, did they nerf the firebrand/flame reave build, for real?

[barren pawn]

EXCEPT IT WASNT BROKEN

[weary hamlet]

must have been as overperforming as disintegrate pepega

[barren pawn]

DIS LITERALLY WOULDNT BE CAPABLE OF PUSHING WITHOUT IT

[glossy mountain]

if the build can do 500c and kill all bosses, its fine

[barren pawn]

Hi, without gamblers dis cant do that.,

[harsh abyss]

Also, it's broken from a "Can't actually balance the skill" perspective.

[barren pawn]

youll cap out at 300 if youre lucky

and thats in min max gear

[harsh abyss]

Isn't 300 where they said they want the general cap to be?

[barren pawn]

3 lps and 4lps

[weary hamlet]

Closed Circuit’s buff no longer stacks

lol

[barren pawn]

Consider the scaling. If it was barely capable of 300 without it before, imagine how thatll feel now./

[weary hamlet]

you;d be lucky if new disintegrate doesn't fall off by normal monos

[barren pawn]

^

[weary hamlet]

I mean I'll try it just for the luls and because I like to suffer

[barren pawn]

Like ill level a new mage for 1.1

just to try new dis

[weary hamlet]

But it's hilarious as it stands right now

[barren pawn]

but i bet you money its absolute dog 💩

[weary hamlet]

They just absolutely destroyed a build that was already average at the very best, and below average more realistically

[barren pawn]

^

anyone saying otherwise is crazy

[scenic sail]

You guys are ridiculous

[weary hamlet]

but I guess I can now convert it to lightning, or something

[barren pawn]

says the guy that spent like a month arguing with people in the MG channel

[scenic sail]

Oh give me a Fing break, they clearly buffed disnitigrate and paid attention to it and you're complaining

[barren pawn]

pop off back to being a troll elsewhere.

[weary hamlet]

not my problem that the developers cannot use a calculator

it ain't rocket science

[barren pawn]

" they clearly buffed it " yeah no they didnt. IN NO WAY do the buffes make up for 20+ X MULTIPLICATIVE damage boost loss.

[scenic sail]

I'm obviously not the only one that complained about Merchants guild, there were thousands of people that had my same complaints and many of them just stopped playing the game.

[weary hamlet]

"buffed" in the same way as they buffed FG by removing anvil stance

[scenic sail]

That doesn't matter, you haven't even played the game yet or seen the new uniques, stop whining

[glossy mountain]

Idk im seeing disintegrate have alot of synergies (mana,static orb, lightning charges)

[weary hamlet]

by the way they didn't even mention any changes to fireball and LB channeling modes, not even the developers give a sh it about them

[barren pawn]

Brother i have over 800 hours logged in the game. screw off.

[scenic sail]

Wanna see what they did to my main skill Meteor?! NOTHING, literally NOTHING, it's not even mentioned in the skills

[glossy mountain]

it looks fun, and the values seem decent ( ihavent played current 1.0 disintegrate)

[barren pawn]

Dont comment on it then please

Because they absolutely gutted it

[weary hamlet]

yes so they want to make it into yet another proc-based spell that does nothing by itself? Why do they have such a raging bo ner for this design?

[scenic sail]

I have 919 hours on this game, what does that matter?

[weary hamlet]

We dont need more frost claws, we need more spells that are viable on their own and offer unique playstyles

[glossy mountain]

IM sorry but the patch notes are right there

anyone can read it

stop gate keeping

[barren pawn]

If yo uhavent played dis in 1.0, you cannot truthfully say that 1.1 dis is better.

Period.

its not.

At all.

[glossy mountain]

Disintegrate scaling looks like its going to rely on mana stacking. Sorc is becoming a mana stacker

[barren pawn]

Even remotely better.

[glossy mountain]

they are multiple buckets to scale the skill, we just gotta wait and test and see

[barren pawn]

HAv efun playing disintegrate on sorc and missing out on RM defensive bonus;s!

[scenic sail]

You can't complain until you actually play the damn game, jesus

[barren pawn]

HAv efun playing with a skill taht requires you to be stationary, while also not being able to use the defensive buffs that made that viable!

[harsh abyss]

Praesidium seems like a pretty significant defensive bonus that's new. 1 ward per second per int is pretty significant.

[glossy mountain]

All of LE builds are broken when they have MULTIPLE multiplicative nodes and scale to the moon. All im saying is disintegrate looks like its getting that same love

[glossy mountain]

did you see sorcs defenses? or read them?

sorc has basically MIND OVER MATTER from POE

we have DR % and we have damage taken as mana before life

and we have alot of ward generation

like theres alot of changes

[weary hamlet]

admittedly many of those were also rightfully gutted

[harsh abyss]

Mana taken before life is also going to be really good with the channeling changes where you can regen mana while channeling.

[glossy mountain]

^

[grizzled lily]

rm lost the 30% DR

[weary hamlet]

by that logic disintegrate was broken in patch 1.0, except that it wasn't

[harsh abyss]

RM also lost a LOT of ward generation at the top of their tree.

[grizzled lily]

I think RM is becoming the squishest out of the 3 masteries

[barren pawn]

neat, they gutted rm too?

[glossy mountain]

they had mana stacking nodes? and they had the new nodes being added to sorc/disintegrate tree? what are you talking about? please stop dooming. We havent even tested it

[scenic sail]

rm was super broken, what are you talking about?!

[barren pawn]

1.1 is going to be borderline doa.

[harsh abyss]

Nah, they still have crazy ward generation from frostguard

I dunno, 1.1 looks pretty good to me. No one is forcing you to play it if you don't want to.

[glossy mountain]

Im prety sure @barren pawn @weary hamlet arguments are. "LE sucks, no matter if theres changes. It sucks and everything sucks. I havent tested it but it sucks because I KNOW. If you didnt play the skill before the patch notes, you cant say anything"

Did i miss anything?

[scenic sail]

Yea, I'm much happier with them improving the base skill of disintigrate, rather than having it rely on basically a bug. I'll give it a 2nd try this time around

[weary hamlet]

it won't be all that crazy, especially with the nerfs to ward retention, and 30% dr was better than any reasonable amount of ward

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, but the 30% DR was also busted AF, so it makes sense for it to go away 😝

It was like Flame Ward but permanent uptime

[barren pawn]

no it doesnt.

[glossy mountain]

Yea mana stacking sorc with disntegrazte is looking cool for me

[barren pawn]

screw all of you for supporting this crap.

[weary hamlet]

bro the only person I see here who is simply butthurt is you

[robust gorge]

i think mana strike spark charge is dead

[barren pawn]

shouldve taken the refund when the MG blew up.

[grizzled lily]

[glossy mountain]

🤔

[harsh abyss]

Why? I don't think it's really changed much.

[weary hamlet]

alright maybe also Kyo

[barren pawn]

cant wait for this to go up to like 30k if we are lucky, only for it to crash again.

[robust gorge]

frost claw trigger was severely nerfed and we lost closed circuit too

also repulsing strikes was nerfed too, but i knew that was gonna happen

reowyn frostguard is dead

[azure hawk]

Like almost any game in existence when there is an update?

[scenic sail]

Meteor literally didn't even get a mention and there's one tiny change coming to fireball. I know my character will improve a bit, but it feels bad seeing almost no mention of my character type.

[latent tide]

so how are 2h shatter strike spellblades looking? biggest nerf i saw was the less crit damage per sword

[harsh abyss]

That's gonna happen sometimes, not every skill will get updates every patch. Meteor feels pretty decent right now to me at least.

[scenic sail]

There were lots of 2H updates, did you watch the little 10 minute video overviewing the changes?

[latent tide]

nah i just read the notes. i'll check our the video tho if there's more info there

[scenic sail]

Meteor will benefit a lot from the improvements in mana regen, mana affixes and mana stacking, because I was already doing that but now there will be huge benefits for it, which is great.

There's definitely some stuff about 2h weilding

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, lots of indirect buffs there

[scenic sail]

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6CnogUkGDM

[harsh abyss]

Sorcerer in general is probably gonna feel a lot better, which is gonna be big for meteor builds

[glossy mountain]

Wait whats the 2h chnages?

i didnt read anything on that

[upbeat imp]

so mage is now paper

lmao

[harsh abyss]

Nah, RM just won't be massively op

[glossy mountain]

Sorc isnt, it has DR and damage taken as maan before life

and has high ward generation

[upbeat imp]

yeah sorc is gonna be big this season

as predicted

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, no surprises there

[upbeat imp]

game still gonna be p dedge tho

oh well

[robust gorge]

damn runemaster got hit hard

[harsh abyss]

The ward changes mean that RM is probably still going to be fine.

It just won't be invincible

[coral sail]

RM is absolutely going to be fine

[robust gorge]

edict of the scion, celestial doom and jagged veil got cooked

[coral sail]

And still head and shoulders above sorc/spellblade

[harsh abyss]

Possibly, we'll have to see how some of the new sorc changes hash out

[wintry wigeon]

I'm huge fan of SS Spellblade, any good news from patch for him?

[harsh abyss]

There's a lot of ward threshold and other defensive buffs in there

[robust gorge]

i mean those were all some of the best passives in the whole game

all on one class

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it was too stronk for sure

[harsh abyss]

I'm not sure if SS got nerfed or buffed. It seems like buffs from how I read it though.

[upbeat imp]

Spellbalde still looking like paper

its never been about dmg

it's been about survivability

[glossy mountain]

where in the video do they talk about the 2h change?

[scenic sail]

I dunno, just watch the whole thing, it's 11 minutes long

[robust gorge]

oh

i understand...

Warden’s Echo now grants a 4% chance per point to cast Frost Claw (from 8% chance to cast Elemental Burst). It consumes 80% of Frost Claw’s mana cost when cast this way.

[glossy mountain]

i did, i didnt hear anything about 2h vs 1h

[robust gorge]

they want you to use spellblade for mana strike triggers now

[glossy mountain]

and i dont see anything mentioned in the patch notes either

[robust gorge]

although by the wording, that should work for any melee skill

so, new builds

[upbeat imp]

Mana and Mana Regen (hybrid affix)
Can no longer roll on sceptres

Sceptres are dead?

[harsh abyss]

I dunno, I feel like the main prefix people wanted on scepters was the -5 mana cost at T7

That change gives staffs a little more identity

[robust gorge]

sceptres are still the only weapon with life leech

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that too

[coral sail]

Ctrl+F "Meteor" -> 😭

[harsh abyss]

Meteor got huge indirect buffs because Sorcerer in general got buffed

[upbeat imp]

yeah not really excited about a lot of this

[coral sail]

I'm not particularly excited

Nerfs everywhere, buffs look tame in comparison

[harsh abyss]

Massive meteor buff, right here

[coral sail]

Balance-by-nerf is just boring

[scenic sail]

Uhhh, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but that's a nerf for meteor, not a buff

[harsh abyss]

What?

[scenic sail]

Overall I think they did improve meteor simply by improving mana, mana regen and passives

[coral sail]

It's not strictly either, depending on mana cost

[harsh abyss]

50% more is waaaaay more than 200% increased

[coral sail]

It'll end up being a buff, but enough of a buff? Unsure

[upbeat imp]

yeah that's a nerf to meteor lol

[harsh abyss]

28% more damage for meteor's initial base cost is MUCH more than 56% increased damage

[scenic sail]

It says clearly that it was 1% per mana before now, it's 1% per 2 mana and capped...?

[harsh abyss]

It used to be 1% increased now it's 1% more

Those are significant differences

[latent tide]

yeah man there was nothing in there about 2h

[harsh abyss]

All sources of increased damage are additive together. Sources of more damage are multiplicative with each other

[upbeat imp]

guess it wont really matter if you cant get teh dmg off before u get 1-banged anyways

lol

[harsh abyss]

Sorc is also way more defensive now than it used to be.

[coral sail]

I'm not sure it's "way more"

It's "more"

[harsh abyss]

Getting ward per second per 10 mana is HUGE for their first points

[coral sail]

Going from squishy bug to slightly tougher bug is still a bug

[scenic sail]

Huh, interesting, so through different syntax it got an indirect buff, huh, well I'm looking forward to trying it

[upbeat imp]

no amount of ward is going to stop the fact that there is practically no damage reduction now lol

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, sources of More damage being multiplied means that as long as you have a bunch of sources of Increased damage, More damage is always going to be way more valuable.

[glossy mountain]

The Mind over matter node alone is insane for sorc as a denfensive layer

[upbeat imp]

from a sorc perspective, guess it doesnt matter.

[harsh abyss]

Sorcerers never had that, so yeah doesn't matter 😝

[glossy mountain]

sorc has DR

[harsh abyss]

People just need to get good at popping flame ward before they take damage instead of reactively

[harsh abyss]

But remember, this is only for health. It won't add DR to your Ward

[upbeat imp]

ah so we're gonna move to D4 perma flame ward then?

lol

[glossy mountain]

oh really? I thought DR would apply to the damage and then calcualted to your full HP bar. is this also going to be true with mana?

Because then sorc is going to look alot squisher if thats the case

[upbeat imp]

it's not true for mana, no

[harsh abyss]

It's "Damage taken from mana before health"

[glossy mountain]

DOPE

[harsh abyss]

The good news though, is that it's a 5:1 ratio

[surreal root]

RIP runemaster... The amount of Nerf bat we were hit with is oof

[glossy mountain]

yea we are gonna be tanky ish

[upbeat imp]

wait wait i misread your comment

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, it'll be a good defensive amount. But it's not going to make you invincible.

[upbeat imp]

DR applies to only dmg that goes to your HP

not to mana

[glossy mountain]

from what zerax just said, it looks like it will be

[harsh abyss]

It already exists in game as an affix on chest/helm, and it's 5 damage = 1 mana. So it won't completely eat your mana instantly either.

[glossy mountain]

disintegrate/focus/teleport/flameward/static orb/fireball

these are the skills im considering

[coral sail]

Bulwark is gonna be poor. 10 point investment, the +mana is so low it's a bad joke, and 20% not inc DR is equally poor

It's better than nothing, but it's not good

[glossy mountain]

apparently fireball can now shred lightning

[upbeat imp]

no. he clarified it later, it's literally damage taken from mana before health. if DR only affects health, mana pool is unaffected

they had that mechanic like that in a previous build of the game and naturally, it was incredibly OP

[harsh abyss]

Well, generic damage reduction is calculated before health or ward or whatever. So if you have a generic "30% reduced damage" that'll happen before your ward, health, or mana take damage.

[vale tartan]

It could before with the Liaths Gloves

[upbeat imp]

or maybe i am thinking of endurance?

and i am flipping it around?

it was endurance

[glossy mountain]

OKay i need reclarification. From what i understood, DR is not applied to Ward. Only HP. But for mana, the mana node says "damage taken from mana before health" meaning it would be HP, but its being converted to our mana

[harsh abyss]

Endurance used to affect ward if you were at low health, that was the bug. It made the "Drain health for ward" items super OP

[glossy mountain]

so the DR would apply

idk

[harsh abyss]

Here, I'll explain it in full

[upbeat imp]

endurance also used to work on MoM

i found the patch note from forever ago

it's not DR

it was endurance affecting the mana pool from MoM

[glossy mountain]

appreciate it !

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, makes sense.

[upbeat imp]

all good. probably gonna give this game a year or two before i touch it again anyway.

GL fam.

[glossy mountain]

o/

[harsh abyss]

Say you have "10% damage taken from mana before health". Damage taken from mana before health happens at a 5:1 conversion.
When you get hit for 100 damage, assume you have 0 source of generic damage reduction (from armor, flame ward or whatever).

Assuming you have 0 ward, you'll take 90 health damage, and 2 mana damage
Assuming you have 1000 ward, you'll take 100 ward damage

It only converts damage that would be done to your health as mana. Damage done to ward is unaffected.

[glossy mountain]

Hmmmmmm ok good to know

[harsh abyss]

It's a good defensive layer, but just like MoM in PoE with Energy Shield, it only affects things that go to your health.

[glossy mountain]

also wouldnt it be 88 HP dmaage and 2 mana damage?

[harsh abyss]

No, because it converts the damage, it doesn't reduce the damage.

It converts 10% of the health damage done into "mana damage" at a 5:1 ratio

Another scenario: If you have 50 ward

You'll take 50 ward damage, 45 health damage, and 1 mana damage

[glossy mountain]

wait wait back to scenario 1

you have 10% DR from a 100 damage

means you take 90 damage

[harsh abyss]

It's not damage reduction, it's damage conversion

[glossy mountain]

then from that 90, the ratio is applied

OHY

io see

thats my fault i was thinking with DR

yea i get you now

[harsh abyss]

10% of the damage taken to your health is converted to mana damage. So 10 of your 100 damage taken is taken as mana damage (10). Then, that damage that is converted to mana is hit with th 5:1 ratio, so you take 2 damage

[glossy mountain]

yea idk why i thought it was 10% DR

aplogies, but i follow now

[harsh abyss]

The math gets way more complex when you have sources of damage reduction, resistance, and stuff like that added in, but the principle still stands

[glossy mountain]

yeah and then that 10, is converted to 5:1, whcih is 2 mana damage taken

[harsh abyss]

Yep

[glossy mountain]

so in reality, this is very good for big hits

[harsh abyss]

So if you have a huge mana pool and good mana regen, it will help stop damage that you take that gets through your ward.

[glossy mountain]

rather then many small hits

[harsh abyss]

Technically it works the exact same on both of them 🤷‍♀️

Because getting hit for 100, 10 times, would cost you the same amount of mana damage as getting hit for 1000 once

[glossy mountain]

If you get hit 10x for 10 damage each vs 100 dmaage from one hit, it would be the same conversion of damage?

[glossy mountain]

LOL i love how you answered my question before i sent it XD

[harsh abyss]

I'm not totally sure what happens when you get your damage reduced to less than 1 mana. Does it take portions of a mana or something? IDK, but it's small enough that that's never going to be your cause of death 😝

[glossy mountain]

I would assume it rounds to 1

[harsh abyss]

Possibly. It's pretty inconsequential either way

[glossy mountain]

true true

i mean we can do 10000 vs 1000 for 10x hits and see how the math looks?

brb

i mean either way, its very nice defensive layer to have

[harsh abyss]

I mean, it's the same thing.

Take 10000 damage: you'll take 9000 health damage and 1000 mana damage (200 actual mana lost)
Take 1000 damage 10x: You'll take 900 damage 10x (total of 9000) and 100 mana damage 10x (total of 1000) (200 actual mana lost)

[glossy mountain]

oh okay, then idk what im talking about XD

[harsh abyss]

You'll have other possible defensive layers that change the value of the calculation. Things like Armor, resistances, block (and block value), dodge, Endurance, Ward, Ward generation, Health/Mana regen, etc

So like any ARPG stacking multiple defensive layers will drastically improve your survivability.

I think the defense that a lot of people underestimate in regards to ward builds is Dodge. Especially when you have a good amount of Ward/Second or Ward/Cast, rebuilding your ward can take some time and having 30+% dodge chance is a pretty significant survivability upgrade.

[weary hamlet]

if it worked with DR, then crown alone would be what - effective 80% DR? Obviously it can't work like this

[weary hamlet]

doesn't matter

[glossy mountain]

.........

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, the crown is crazy strong as it is.

[glossy mountain]

🤔

[weary hamlet]

Mana certainly can be decimal, just like health - the UI just rounds up

[weary hamlet]

although now after having a second read over for the new sorc tree, I start to doubt whether it will be better than ward until the very endgame/optimized mana gear

sorc gets a lot of free ward retention

[harsh abyss]

I think it'll be something that's good as an extra defense instead of being your only defense?

[weary hamlet]

you can't have ward with the crown equipped

but ward will work with other sources of damage to mana

[harsh abyss]

Oh you mean the crown specifically?

Yeah, who knows.

[weary hamlet]

sure

[stuck ibex]

Is it just me or are there still no uniques for glacier even with 1.1 patch on the way.

[harsh abyss]

I don't like the crown because it sucks to craft 🤷‍♀️

[weary hamlet]

there are still no uniques for a good 80% of skills in the game across all classes

meanwhile a few skills have like 5 uniques each

[grizzled lily]

at least they didn't nerf glacier

[weary hamlet]

it wasn't worth nerfing (just like disintegrate wasn't, yeah)

without 0.9 LK glacier is a fairly average build

[stuck ibex]

that's good to know

maybe 1.2 will be better

[harsh abyss]

We also don't know what a lot of the new uniques are

[grizzled lily]

they are on letool

[harsh abyss]

Oh, are they? neat

[half pollen]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/version/version110/new/items

kinda underwhelming though

[glossy mountain]

Triboelectra

looks neat

we cant wear this right?

cuz gladiator?

[half pollen]

ofc mage can wear this

[harsh abyss]

It would say below if it had a class requiremetn

[weary hamlet]

yes, only gladiators can equip that

the secret sixth class

[half pollen]

dont be mean to him, hes probably new

[weary hamlet]

that said for most intents that's a better version of crown

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

[weary hamlet]

again I think it will be less optimal with ultra bis gear, but better with average gear

[glossy mountain]

o.O

[glossy mountain]

ah ok ty

[glossy mountain]

tbh, i thoughgt it was a sentinel class, because i dont know anyhting about them

all i have played is necromancer, blade dancer and warlock

[jaunty widget]

Any recomended web to check runemasters builds?

Gettin back to the game after 6 month he he he

[weary hamlet]

lol@ehg game design. They add synergy between disintegrate and fire aura, and update the fire aura nodes in spellblade. The updated node: triggers WHEN YOU ARE MOVING

you can't make it up

reality is more hilarious than any meme

[waxen fog]

You can find several on maxrollgg or YouTube , not updated to 1.1 yet though

[jaunty widget]

Yeah I know, probably it will take at least 2 weeks before seeing updated versions. But I think i missed a lot of things in these 6 months so a lil bit update could help. Gonna take a look at it. Thank you!

[rapid hinge]

@grizzled lily looks like the build got buffed to the moon

😁

especially with the wand

[glossy mountain]

@harsh abyss if in the tooltip of a skill it says something like "for short duration on cast" it has to be hard casted, and cant work with procs?

[harsh abyss]

I'd like to say yes, but their wording sometimes needs work.

Usually they'll try to say "Direct cast" if you need to cast it yourself, but there are definitely instances where "cast" actually means "Direct cast"

hyperspecific wording is really important for ARPGs, but sometimes their tooltips haven't been up to snuff

[vale tartan]

You missed a point. Mana spend increases soelk damage is now capped, so s 923 mana static orb won't be as effective anymore

[rapid hinge]

what was that from?

[harsh abyss]

This, probably: #🧙┃mage message

[rapid hinge]

i dont see this anywhere 🤔

[harsh abyss]

The mage passive has a cap now

So you won't get 900% increased damage, just 50% more

[rapid hinge]

first idk how can u get static orb manacost to 900

😅

[harsh abyss]

Also Overcharged Detonation got nerfed to 2% from 3%

[rapid hinge]

2nd usually the cost is around 450, and i'd take 50% more voer 450 increase anyday

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, people keep thinking that change is a nerf and don't understand the "more" vs "increased" difference

[rapid hinge]

well not anyday but it shouldnt be very different

[rapid hinge]

yeah i saw this, one step back after few step forward

still positive after all

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, still very strong

[rapid hinge]

for sure stronger than 1.0

[harsh abyss]

Honestly I think the biggest change is the boss ward breakpoint stuff. That's going to totally change how bosses feel compared to 1.0

[rapid hinge]

the orb's damage in isolation can be a little more or little less. But overall performance of the whole build is definitly significantly stronger

[harsh abyss]

"Mana Stacking Sorcerer" is gonna have like... 10+ build variations now, I bet.

[viral pond]

Ofc

Its gonna be meta for sure xd

50% sorc playerbase inc

[rapid hinge]

idk. From what i've read in this channel i've already seen some people misunderstanding quite a lot of things

[harsh abyss]

I feel like most of the complaints have been about their builds being nerfed

[rapid hinge]

everything got nerfed

things that arent nerfed probably were not that good to begin with so

[coral sail]

"hey guys we looked at player satisfaction when diablo 4 nerfed everything and thought we'd do the same"

[harsh abyss]

I dunno, I feel like most skills were untouched for the most part

[glossy mountain]

how viable will lvling with disintegrate be XD

[harsh abyss]

According to some folks in here, it'll be complete garbage. But in reality it'll probably be fine.

Just don't use any outdated guides for it because the builds will be totally different.

[inland tangle]

must invest in mana regen early on

[glossy mountain]

im trying to do my own build a bit

[harsh abyss]

LE is definitely more fun for making your own builds, IMO

[glossy mountain]

trying to make disintegrate/static orb the build

and maybe somehow get spark charges implimented

[inland tangle]

static orb with that new wand will be fun, cast on evade

[glossy mountain]

^yea

and disintegrate procs mroe static orbs

[inland tangle]

I just learn that there's a new sentinel weapon called event horizon and I wonder, why tf is it not a black hole unique

[harsh abyss]

lol, fair

[weary hamlet]

the much bigger question is whether this now makes VO good, it costs around 110 mana in a single target DPS build which maximizes the more damage passive

tbh VO isn't terrible as it is, and with 50% more it might actually be good

maybe now is the time for the VO on flame rush node to shine

also since this should be inherited by ailments this might be huge for the VO frostbite build

despite the nerfs to frostbite uniques

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, maybe. I've never liked VO much so I haven't used it much

[surreal arrow]

nerfing frostbite but giving us this is so dirty :p temptation is real

[worn shell]

the real question is, is disingrate finally good

And not like for proccing other skills but as a main skill itself

[surreal arrow]

dual wield Yruns with pen going below 0% change :p

[glossy mountain]

the right side of the tree has alot of damage scaling for the spell itself

it looks decent imo

[worn shell]

it looks good but IS it, (I guess we'll only know for sure come Tuesday but, let me meme!)

[glossy mountain]

listen im cooking in my planner, im post it here soon so pplc an roast me lol and make it better 😛

[worn shell]

oh I already cooked one

and then I deleted it because "eh"

[weary hamlet]

looks to be much worse than before even when factoring in all the buffs to sorc passives and what not

which is quite baffling

[worn shell]

They should just let disingrate have 5 beams for free

It might still not be good

but it'd be funny

especially if the beams slowly rotate around you

[weary hamlet]

just give it a non-channeled conversion where it would perhaps summon a few beams that would rotate around you

oh wait nevermind

[rapid hinge]

do all these changes to disint can remotely compared to ignivar gambler combo\

🤔

[worn shell]

no

[rapid hinge]

then u already have your answer kekw

[worn shell]

but you CAN empty your bar so fast you'll believe that disintigrate is an actual sorc skill

[ocean mauve]

holy moly trying to catch up on people's thoughts about patch notes and working through 20 pages of cringe from @weary hamlet / @barren pawn is not fun

[worn shell]

You know what IS fun?

1000 mana Meteor being the only correct meteor build

[weary hamlet]

yeah reading your crap is also not fun. Ever tried looking in a mirror?

kids these days

[ocean mauve]

what crap lol

[worn shell]

no reason not to go always crit meteor

[ocean mauve]

you're literally walking cringe dude

[worn shell]

(sadly we can't make it water/ice and pretend we're SotN Trevor)

[glossy mountain]

What are some good nodes for VO? im looking at this tree and all i see is 3 options (convert to cold, scale with shrapenel explosive ground{w.e that means}, or fire gflyphs of doom)

[ocean mauve]

everything you say makes me recoil in second hand embarrassment. you literally fit the bill for every meme making fun of people who are just smart enough to be maximum cringey but not smart enough to be actually useful to society

[weary hamlet]

you don't take cold conversion since you can have it for 1 point in mage passives

[upper fern]

Can we just get back to discussing actual builds please

[glossy mountain]

yea im trying to change the subject shhhhhh lol

[worn shell]

explosive ground is like fire glyphs but not underneat you

also makes you go OoM

[weary hamlet]

you pick up explosive ground, glyph, all the multi damage nodes for the core (some of which also apply to other subskills), then if you have + skill you'll have a few points left which you can use for nodes that buff or nerf its speed until you reach a value where it stays within the models of bosses/larger elites for the entire duration

[glossy mountain]

Okay gotcha

i realized i cant use Vo, since im use the new wand

[dusk gorge]

What are some ways for a Spellblade to blow out their mana pool as fast as possible and go deep into the negative? Volcanic Orb?

[harsh abyss]

You can spec Static so that it costs 250 mana, heh

If you aren't stacking any mana that'll instantly take you negative. Or you can cast it when you get to low mana to drop super negative.

[ocean mauve]

@grizzled lily thoughts on this? https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgLAzAbA7EA

[dusk gorge]

thanks

[rapid hinge]

im not chunkypapa but that would be great if it was a wand

[ocean mauve]

yeah....hard to make up for the offhand crit

[rapid hinge]

without using an offhand i dont think you can get crit for orb anywhere

but cant be 100% sure what is better

since that thing has a lot of flat dam on it

there can be a case where a non-crit hit using that staff can do more damage than a crit from wand+offhand

[ocean mauve]

right, extra awkward though that the staff scales crit dmg if you want to lean into doom pulse

[harsh abyss]

I mean, if you ignore the doom pulse scaling, you could do something like Static Orb mana stacking

And then the doom pulse would just be extra damage every once in a w hile

[rapid hinge]

we're talking about static orb manastacking

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, you'd just not worry about crit scaling and go for as much possible mana as you could.

Focus on Static Ground, you don't need crit chance, just crit multi.

[rapid hinge]

that's where you'd have to actually test/calculate it out

also it this ever work with orb it'd be with chunky's 3 elemental build

for my variation which is full cold it's certainly not better

[harsh abyss]

500 flat mana, which would presumably be scaled up by % mana increases, would be massive

[rapid hinge]

since i wouldnt be able to full take advantage of the doom pulse

[harsh abyss]

Imagine if you managed to slam a T7 mana on that thing, lol

[rapid hinge]

i dont think that would scale with % mana

since it specificially says maximum mana

[ocean mauve]

yeah the text is iffy .... "gained as maximum mana"

[rapid hinge]

I'd assume it wouldnt scale with % until tested otherwise

[glossy mountain]

I just erased

EVERYTHING

OMFG

LOL

i was going to post my mana stacker i cooked up

brb 10 mins

[ocean mauve]

rip

any new uniques stand out as super OP? Nothing mage-specific as far as i can see

[rapid hinge]

alot of these new items look very trappy for mana stacking sorc lol

this one

probably the best of them

[ocean mauve]

hmmm...why

oh not for mage

[rapid hinge]

oh yeah overall

[ocean mauve]

for the +13 base crit in offhand?

[rapid hinge]

yes

and great base

and +2 skills

and LPL 27

lol

[harsh abyss]

Its a dagger though, isnt that rogue only for offhand?

[rapid hinge]

yeah

for a caster

[glossy mountain]

Would we take the 90 mana blesing if mana stacking?

im assuming yes?

[harsh abyss]

That might be good for a mana stacking mage actually. Use Mana Strike for flat lightning based on current mana, wouldnt that give you +4 to the skill?

[rapid hinge]

atm a new item has to compete with wrongwarp

and mad ladle

good luck with that

😂

[harsh abyss]

Mad ladle too stronk

[topaz hare]

you can't equip a dagger in your offhand as a mage

or anyone else besides rogue

[rapid hinge]

100%

[glossy mountain]

Dope !

[ocean mauve]

any way for mage to cast necrotic or void spell

doom pulse seems insane if we can break it...500% dmg effectiveness and +1 flat per 10 max mana

like 2000 base dmg with just the staff + 3000 mana

[rapid hinge]

it's LPL 70 tho

[coral sail]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBsGYFYHYg This is the item I want to experiment with for sorc most

[rapid hinge]

and a boss drop also

[rapid hinge]

i have a strong feeling that this is a trap

[coral sail]

Health + Mana, damage to mana, endurance applies to mana, max health -> endurance conversion, and 4-8% dodge

[rapid hinge]

just like wings of argentus

[coral sail]

I'm gonna find out once I get it

I'm going CoF this time so may be a while

[ocean mauve]

trap because high LP level?

[rapid hinge]

that

and dam to mana before health

[coral sail]

That's good for mana stacking sorc

That's my plan for day 1, come what may

[rapid hinge]

why is it good?

[ocean mauve]

won't that just drain your mana? mana stacking sorc is generally starved for mana no

[rapid hinge]

^^

[ocean mauve]

the idea is to actually use your mana for dmg

[coral sail]

That's the "come what may" bit

I'd rather play and test interesting stuff than meta builds

If I hit 300c I'm good

[rapid hinge]

if you play COF

there's a chance that you'd get to 300c before you see that item

😂

[ocean mauve]

i wonder if FC is still just top of meta with new spark passive

[rapid hinge]

doesnt the change to recast not refunding just kill it?

[harsh abyss]

5 hits for 40 mana? Maybe

We've got conflicting reports on the recasts not triggering more charges, too

[ocean mauve]

yeah you're mana starved now...but getting potentially tons more spark charges per cast

[rapid hinge]

or maybe the damage is enough 🤔

[harsh abyss]

And, you have to be a sorcerer to get the node with the spark charges, which changes things significantly.

[coral sail]

Truth that

[ocean mauve]

so maybe less spam but way more dmg

[rapid hinge]

yeah 25 spark charge per hit is quite bonker

[harsh abyss]

We don't really know what that'll look like with the new boss ward mechanic either. Sustain might be more important than burst.

[ocean mauve]

maybe new meta is just glass cannon + flame shield + stack tons of life and reactive ward

[harsh abyss]

Reactive Ward + Silver Rune is definitely super strong.

[ocean mauve]

don't know what sorc would glass cannon with though....fireball?

[harsh abyss]

Meteor, obviously

Big kaboom

[ocean mauve]

meteor is suspectible to swarm-y mobs

[harsh abyss]

I'm thinking about Meteor + Flame Aura. Do Int stacking Vilatria's, and get the flame aura node that is +2 flame aura damage per int

Basically just walk around and meteor big mobs while the little ones die around you.

[glossy mountain]

just for clairfication, this shots 1 big orb, explodes, and x points allocated of orbs come out yes?

[harsh abyss]

Technically the big orb doesn't shoot hte little orbs, you do

[rapid hinge]

they come out at the same time

[dusk gorge]

You shoot a big orb at enemies and a bunch of small orbs fly after it at the same target

[glossy mountain]

and is the condition to be "direct" cast?

[ocean mauve]

how are you gonna have any crit chance with staff and helm taken

no offhand, no prismatic gaze

[harsh abyss]

Always be above 400 mana: 100% crit chance with meteor

No scaling crit chance needed, but you'll also have scaling crit chance per int from the sorcerer node as well.

[ocean mauve]

i see

[harsh abyss]

You might not even need that node at a certain threshold. Meteor has +8% flat crit on the tree that you'll be taking anyway. Pair that with a ton of increased crit from all the int you'll be getting... you'll have a pretty high crit chance anyway.

[ocean mauve]

got a planner?

[harsh abyss]

Not yet, I didn't realise LETools was updated and I've been working. But I'll put one together here shortly.'

[ocean mauve]

i like this idea, straightforward

[harsh abyss]

I did a similar build on release. It worked mostly, it's just "walk around and drop meteors on everything. Use focus to regen your mana occasionally when you aren't in combat". I never really encountered a scenario where I didn't have enough mana to blow everything up.

It'll just get smoother with the spellblade node, because you won't have to use another meteor on stragglers

[ocean mauve]

I mean you can also run glacier or something

just to clear stragglers

[harsh abyss]

Nah. More meteors are better.

[ocean mauve]

"Prodigy now has a threshold bonus which grants +1% critical strike chance per 15 intelligence" this is insane no

[harsh abyss]

It's good, probably no insane though.

If you're stacking an insane amount of Int, you'll get +8-10 flat crit chance, which is very good.

Frees you up from needing some other source of flat crit

[glossy mountain]

Would mana > crit multi for the static orb. Mana stacker 🤔

[harsh abyss]

SUUUPER quickly tossed together, probably not perfect.

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3RYMREB

The points are pretty tight, those 15 in Spellblade might not actually be worth it with all the good new nodes in Sorcerer.

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1

Class:

Mage (30) / Sorcerer (68) / Spellblade (15)

General:

▸ Health: 942, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 448, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 206%, Regen: 55/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 39 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 39% / 15% / 39% / 0% / 0% / 1% / 1%
▸ EHP: 777 / 661 / 777 / 622 / 604 / 608 / 608

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 188
▸ Armor Mitigation: 9% (218)

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Fire, Cold / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Meteor (25)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Focus (20)
• Black Hole (20)
• Teleport (20)

Used unique items:

• Vilatria's Downfall
• Vilatria's Storm Crown
• Harbinger of Stars

[glossy mountain]

Im mostly deciding what i want on my relic slot (prefix). level for disintegrate/mana/crit multi

[harsh abyss]

Levels of your primary skill are usually pretty valuable. If you're taking the node that makes Disintegrate do more damage per max mana, then it's probably better than crit multi.

Because then you're adding more damage to both your spells. Where Crit Multi doesn't actually benefit disintegrate.