🧙┃mage

[rapid hinge]

so once you reach that

it's infinite climb from there xD

[buoyant glacier]

did someone reach 10k already?

[rapid hinge]

I dont know

[buoyant glacier]

explain the infinite

[tender pelican]

no further strength increase i guess

[buoyant glacier]

ok i need 2weeks for 10k xD

[tender pelican]

in poe delve stops scaling after 6k corruption

[rapid hinge]

i cannot confirm it but once you reach 10k, it seems like the shade's HP reverse scale

means its HP actually decrease with corruption

[tender pelican]

lul

[rapid hinge]

wait

i'll give youi video

[buoyant glacier]

ok wth,,,since theres no reset in corruption i plan it to stay there xD

[rapid hinge]

10k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLqswx87P_o

9k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=959HTM2XegQ

[buoyant glacier]

u just give me more work to do

[rapid hinge]

you can clearly tell

the 10k shade dies MUCH faster than the 9k

[buoyant glacier]

but this is rogue and offline mode btw

[tender pelican]

damm this guy let the 20 second loading screen of boss in xD

[rapid hinge]

that's me xD

my PC is old

[rapid hinge]

doesnt matter

with the same setup

same everything

10k shades dies much much faster than 9k

with minimal difference you can say that it's RNG damage roll

but this this too big of a difference

also recently i tried the same setup with a 12k shade

and it dies even faster than the 10k

kekw

[buoyant glacier]

yeah..but after 10kc it will continue to increase right?

[rapid hinge]

nope

[buoyant glacier]

so no more mapping?

then how much corr lvl it gives?

[rapid hinge]

huh what do u mean

[tender pelican]

the bladedancers damage is wierd 😄 0 dmg 0 dmg 0 dmg ... millions of damage and dead

[rapid hinge]

that's my magic xD

and no it's not offline mod magic

[tender pelican]

im watching the online one

[rapid hinge]

i do this on my online BD

oh yeah

[tender pelican]

it almost looks like synch strike enables the big damage

[buoyant glacier]

oh mb i was just confused that after 10k u said its an infinite climb so im thinking on Shade fight kill rinse and repeat no more mapping needed, just fight shade again and again

[rapid hinge]

oh i see

[tender pelican]

😄 and what do you do with perma shade fight ? selling his amulet 100x on merchants guild

[buoyant glacier]

yeah best farming spot for omnis

[rapid hinge]

i just mean the shade got weaker instead of stronger with higher corruption after that point

[buoyant glacier]

okay,,i was excited for a moment there haha...i thnk 8k is enough for now...

[tender pelican]

probably something with him hitting an numerical limit and that swaps after 10k to reduce the further +health

anyway not a realistic corruption for all people that come to leaguestart 😄

[rapid hinge]

I asked in ask-dev channel but didnt get an answer

[rapid hinge]

yeah that's basically what Mike said

[tender pelican]

i will just hop on for 1-2 weeks on leaguestarts do abit of 1k corruption and arenas and take a break again

[buoyant glacier]

its around 3weeks more before cycle2,,i just want to farm favor on 8k on a crowded map and try the jungle queen gameplay

[rapid hinge]

he said that if something can reach that number then that thing is the bigger problem lol

[tender pelican]

ye doesnt matter for now since anyway only 4 month cof farmers go there xD

[buoyant glacier]

yeah devs is the problem..they dont assist the issue immediatly like the gold issue

[tender pelican]

most peoplle will be always at the beginning of cycle where everyone starts at 100 corruption again ^^

[grizzled lily]

most people don't even get to empowered mono

[buoyant glacier]

yea only cof so true...i was planing to paytowin on mg but i was save on the gold dupe btw...and maybe if i did that im pretty sure in on another game rightnow...

[tender pelican]

those also dont realy count towards finding and fixing bugs or topend problems of pushing 😄

same thing in poe most dont even finish the story

but also there you cannot look at them for balance reasons

[buoyant glacier]

yeah personal issue xD

[tender pelican]

i will always break stuff in arpgs xD no matter if a million people cant beat the lowtier content

so runemaster meta in 1.1 😄 ? have we concluded

[buoyant glacier]

nah for sure nope...coz of heavy nerfed in frostclaw...maybe spellblade i guess

[minor wasp]

🤓

[buoyant glacier]

i found 1pc of exalted belt fit for the gameply u suggested but the the 2prefixes are already there by default..

[harsh thistle]

wait frost claw will be nerfed?

[buoyant glacier]

yeah esp the gift of winter node,,,so bye mana refund

[harsh thistle]

noooo

I "just" respecced into the meteor proc-ed by frost claw build

I guess if the mana consumption is too much I'll switch to fireball

but frost claw looks and feels so much better with all the additional hits and auto target nodes

[buoyant glacier]

idk why they will nerfed RM theres nothing op about it esp on very high corruption, they are glasscannon class,,what i found OP are 300kward sentinels

[rapid hinge]

the most OP thing that allow omega corruption climb is snap freeze perma CC lol

[buoyant glacier]

Yah also 3secs shade kill on 8k shade with marksmann

[buoyant glacier]

What to do..it devs fault..

[rapid hinge]

EHG already knew about this stuff before 1.0 launch

and even attempted to solve it

somehow still happen

just give boss CC resistance that increases everytime they got CCed duh

[buoyant glacier]

yeah thats nice then i will go with insta kill class then like what DA marskman does..the only reason i stick to rm coz corruption lvls cant be shared,,nobody wants to spend 15mins killing a boss even with a perma freeze xD

wherein theres a class that can do high dodge rate and can kill it in seconds and even do faster mapping than any other classes

[merry veldt]

(good) 300k Sentinels are a myth

[brittle olive]

nice mana regen 😂

[rose cobalt]

i have a question about lightning blast, if i have frontloaded and focal blast, it deal the bonus damage to all enemies? Frontloaded only say it deal damage for each target chained

[rose cobalt]

nvm, did the testing it is weird

[buoyant glacier]

One guy did it for sure, u may ask him how he builds it 😆 #🔱┃sentinel message

[spare pendant]

thats a pure support paladin meant for Party play, which is not something EHG balances for (party play)

also its something thats being removed next patch already confirmed

and was not intended at all

[merry veldt]

We spoke about it, and you can look at his builds easily over the ladder.

But Cole is an exceptional player, combining excellent theory crafting with a really deep grind.
I guess you can take his VK almost as a ceiling.

[merry veldt]

True that! But a different side of the story

[hushed elk]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BrYan04Q

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 26

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.6

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (11)

General:

▸ Health: 344, Regen: 10/s
▸ Mana: 152, Regen: 9/s
▸ Ward Retention: 506%, Regen: 24/s
▸ Attributes: 4 Str / 15 Dex / 114 Int / 4 Att / 4 Vit
▸ Resistances: 42% / 18% / 55% / 38% / 33% / 59% / 42%
▸ EHP: 1,429 / 1,111 / 1,690 / 1,429 / 1,291 / 1,791 / 1,420

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 33%, Threshold: 69
▸ Dodge Chance: 63% (1407)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (108)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Lightning, Cold / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Fireball (24)
• Flame Ward (20)
• Runic Invocation (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• The Kestrel
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Chronicle of the Damned
• Liath's Machinations
• Jungle Queen's Chaps of Holding
• Lessons of the Metropolis
• Ring of the Third Eye
• Ring of the Third Eye
• Strong Mind
• Tome of Elements

[hushed elk]

My current leveling loadout xDD

Illegal

[hushed elk]

Homing node on Fireball seems to bug out sometimes at high cast speed values? Maybe just visual

[buoyant glacier]

wow high dodge rate...

[hushed elk]

yeah dodge too OP don't think I would ever run a build w/o it xD

depends on available suffixes

even Mage can hit 60%+ if u invest a lot

at least in the current patch/meta considering how well it synergizes with regen/wardgen and miigation

a lot of builds (most I think) can find a way to layer nearly every defensive mechanic in the game to a reasonable degree

Rogue is prob the weakest in that regard

[coarse sun]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oN3e255A

I think I've build a decent support RM. I don't play mage at all and don't have any idea of what I'm doing with it so I figured I'd ask

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 94

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.6

Class:

Mage (20) / Spellblade (15) / Runemaster (78)

General:

▸ Health: 3,112, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 137, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 600%, Regen: 169/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 113 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 143% / 84% / 77% / 43% / 82% / 45% / 59%
▸ EHP: 46,499 / 46,499 / 46,499 / 38,571 / 46,499 / 35,769 / 39,914

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 622
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (961)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ Enchant Weapon (Active), Flame Ward

Used skills:

• Elemental Nova (24)
• Enchant Weapon (20)
• Glyph of Dominion (20)
• Frost Wall (20)
• Flame Ward (21)

Used unique items:

• Titan Heart
• Frostbite Shackles
• Last Steps of the Living
• Aergon's Refuge
• Crest of Unity
• Oceareon

[coarse sun]

If flame ward is not up I lose allot of tank. Goes down to about 32k but that's not to bad either way. Plus it's meant to be more cast on allies when they walk through frost wall

[nimble shoal]

Odd way to spell sentinel
(but yeah, you are right, the main difference in class defenses are the things exclusive to each, like frostguard)

[hushed elk]

Healing Hands?

You're not seriously trying to argue that Rogue can inflate EHP more than Sentinel? Surely?

Depending on numbers tuning that could maybe change in 1.1, but as of now xD

[coarse sun]

Healing hands has been confirmed bugged right?
Or am I miss understanding

[hushed elk]

Pretty the numbers are just completely out of line, but the interaction is intended?

[nimble shoal]

Yeah, I'm not counting the bug that is HH

[woven moss]

All I know is forge guard is too op

[hushed elk]

Either way, Senintel still has an inherent method of ward generation, and even post nerf will prob still be reliable, which rogue lacks

but yeah they both pale in comparison to Warlock/RM and I'm not sure if that will change much

[coarse sun]

Ward is just busted in comparison to health. If you're not going ward late game you're going to have a hard time

[nimble shoal]

We'll see, rogue has GB and an actual LL node or falconer shenanigans

[coarse sun]

Silver shroud too if it doesn't freaking bug out again.

[hushed elk]

Haha late game? My RM is maintaining 4-5k ward at level 50 xDD

How 2 power level urself 101

idk which will come first, 500c or level 100?

[coarse sun]

RM is just busted. That's not even a question.

[hushed elk]

I'm also turbo geared with full slams xD, 2nd character after farming all cycle

[buoyant glacier]

nope..not as busted as healing hands and ista kill on rogues...

[hushed elk]

Also it seems like my assumption that Embers + Pierce was correct

it seems like fireballs pierce and cycle through/continue to hit the same target until reaching the end of their max range

need to test more

assuming the hit box is large enough for them to stay within homin proximity at least

vs. small hitboxes the projectile speed might prevent cycling

[spare pendant]

they can't hit the same target

they keep targetting them

but they just move through them

each fireball can only hit 1 target once

they will still try to home enemies, even if they have hit them

[hushed elk]

Good to know, ty

[buoyant glacier]

ffs, i got dced again on wave 940..

[woven moss]

Rip

[buoyant glacier]

i cant screenshot it lol,,it happens on loading screen, transitioning to another arena theme...

[coarse sun]

You know what that's completely fair.

[buoyant glacier]

yes ofc i like them xD...

[buoyant glacier]

yeah and i tried again now and only 10mins into arena, dced again when on loading screen....so im fighting for not only mobs but also no to get dced...no other apps open, 400mbps internet speed idk man...

[buoyant glacier]

ofc i tried again and dced after 30mins on 400waves

[rapid hinge]

u on cable or wifi?

[buoyant glacier]

cable

i just read some forums...some ppl switch from lan to wifi..gonna try again tommorow..

[buoyant glacier]

are u playing with last epoch with firewall off?

[rapid hinge]

no mine is on

[hushed elk]

Particle effect of Fireball is pure class btw, I like how it gets a blue tinge if u convert 50% to lightning and turns into a full on lightning bolt at 100%

Feel like I have a Hadouken machine gun

[proven haven]

Fireball hadouken audio mtx, EHG pls

[hushed elk]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjkPmgEo Best leveling build in game, cycle start viable xD jk

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 81

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.6

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (24) / Runemaster (50)

General:

▸ Health: 1,025, Regen: 23/s
▸ Mana: 277, Regen: 12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 642%, Regen: 127/s
▸ Attributes: 27 Str / 14 Dex / 149 Int / 14 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 97% / 68% / 59% / 57% / 35% / 181% / 93%
▸ EHP: 2,463 / 2,005 / 1,858 / 1,981 / 2,463 / 2,155 / 2,155

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 205
▸ Dodge Chance: 27% (792)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 22% (700)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Fireball (26)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Runic Invocation (22)
• Flame Rush (21)
• Snap Freeze (21)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• The Kestrel
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Liath's Machinations
• Immolator's Oblation
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Orian's Eye
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[hushed elk]

Fireball also costs exactly 15 mana, so I can go Brand of Deception, 2 ez

[buoyant glacier]

No more dc issue, just pure carelessness on death...damn Soulcage!

@hushed elk push yours now xD

[somber citrus]

Carelessness happens after a forever lasting 6 hours run... They really need to change arena system.

[hushed elk]

I'll do a couple more runs, dying to bug at wave 1090 hurts

can def do 1.5-2k+

somewhat dependent on wave RNG and if I play perfect

[buoyant glacier]

yeah the mobs is nothing compare to 8kc,,i still ddnt see a cold/lightning element Bitterwing on arena xD

[hushed elk]

I've seen 0 bats or worms so far

[buoyant glacier]

this run last 4hrs btw..

i kept dc this morning so i followed the guide on dc and it works

[hushed elk]

wave 490 - 1090 was 3hish for me

[buoyant glacier]

i was from 135 xD

[hushed elk]

There's a bug w/ some movement skills and multiple inputs where it can lock all of ur abilities

only solution is relog/death as far as I can tell

if I hit the wrong keystroke it's gg, need to be precise with inputs xD

[buoyant glacier]

No bugged skill on my rm btw...

[hushed elk]

Same? If u mean bugged as in HH/Jelkhor

[buoyant glacier]

i mean i got no bugged movement/traversal skill when i was pushing

oh there was around 5secs that i think my connection almost lost,,,no frostclaw coming and i was rubber banding..it was when im on 700wave,,,almost died lol, very lucky

[woven moss]

Grats. Ya the lightning eles and bats don’t exist in arena.

No need to go over 75 light, fire, void, or nec res iirc in arena.

[azure arrow]

Hi, I’ve only played rogue and wondering how is spellblade?

[buoyant glacier]

Spellblade in this cycle is not played that much by many, even when u check un ladder nobody gears up a spell blade. I think they might be good to try in cycle2 imo.

[radiant vessel]

It suffers from having fairly few viable builds and is chronically squishy but can be good fun and dish out really good damage

[inner ferry]

Any runemasters here who can lead me to a viable build that can push high corruption while using many different runic invo combos? frostbite frost claw is just spamming it while sometimes using frostguard, and hydra/plasma is just spamming the same invocation over and over

[rapid hinge]

A good Invocation build will never use multiple invoke spell

Because there will always be a single best spell

And if you're casting multiple spells it means you're not casting your best spell

Thus lowering your DPS

And then there's scaling issue

[inner ferry]

Ah, I wanted to cosplay as Invoker while running through the high corruptions. Oh well, staying with frost claw then cause it slaps

[rapid hinge]

Nobody's stopping you from using multiple spells tho

But dont expect it to be better than using few specific combos

[inner ferry]

Yeah, I've tried a few of my own builds where I rotate and do combos but they all stagnate in early 100-200 range corruption monos, whereas plasma/frostclaw stays competitive up to my current 400+. So I asked just wondering if theres some viable wombo combo build that would be viable at higher corr

[rapid hinge]

Looks like you havet dived deep enough with those

Plasma orb def can go much higher than that

You can try ball lightning

FC i dont count as invocation build

[inner ferry]

Oh yeah definitely, plasma orb is very competitive and more stimulating than just running frost claw, but it too became pretty bland after a while

[rapid hinge]

Since none of its main damage come from invocation

[inner ferry]

True, I'll see if I can farm up better gear for the plasma build and try to use it for 500+

[rapid hinge]

Any lightning invoke build can work

With shock stacking lightning brand

I forgot the name

That thing does omega damage

[inner ferry]

Nice, havent tried that one out yet. Tyty

[spare pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFyT9ovcpYc&t=32s

this is the closest you will get to that playstyle

[inner ferry]

Thanks, imma take a look!

[rapid hinge]

keep in mind that it was 0.9.2

RI spells dealt 7x the damage they do compared to what you have now

[spare pendant]

yeah but we have 50 times the powercreep lmao @rapid hinge

imagine a 2 LP fundemental criterion

😄

ok I guess criterion wouldnt be good on that

that build is also before they fixed the bug with runebolt which made it have 20% less cast speed

then they buffed it with 20% more cast speed

[rapid hinge]

i dont think all of that combined can beat 7x ele pen

[spare pendant]

I mean with the gear you can get in merchants gear you might legitimately be able to

thats just how stupid the power creep's been this patch

[grim elm]

Ive never played a mage in the game, is it a ward spam type of class or can you go without ward

[rapid hinge]

there used to be a time when you can go zero ward on a mage

it's past that time now i guess

[barren pawn]

Can't wait for them to ruin my entire build

[somber citrus]

They are supposed to buff disintegrate with the new tree.

[robust junco]

You will even be able to choose your off hand

[proven haven]

Did somebody say fundamental criterion - idk why I collected this crap

[spare pendant]

kekw

[graceful glen]

i just know that disintegrate is still gonna be terrible feeling to play lol

[vale tartan]

Disintegrate would be cool if you could make it into a Discoball Laser show like with Stygian Beams Life Drain. Channel while moving and also autotarget

[graceful glen]

they should make it like a permanent version of the 3 elemental beam invocation

[harsh thistle]

so what's the main difference between triggering fireball off of fireball crits VS frost claw crits

I went for frost claw, everything melts, but my mana too, wondering if triggering on fireball crits might not be much much easier

but then I suppose I'd need cindersong and that's a big damage hit with bad spell dmg bonus

sorry not cinder song, the fireball wand *

oh actually nevermind that's the one lmao

[halcyon moat]

question for frost claw build. is freeze rate multiplier really better than cold dmg? sorry im still on my 3rd day on the game.

[robust junco]

I guess it depends on how much you have of both. But most likely FRM is going to be more Dmg

[raven kindle]

Anyone wanna take a look at my current build and maybe share some tips on how to improve clear speed? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BO3gMK2B

More info: basically I leveled with Fireball Spreading Flames and it worked great for the campaign but I feel that the Spreading Flames damage is starting to get kinda meh at this point (doing lvl 85 mono atm). Basic gameplan was fireball spreading flames to kill trash, flame rush into rares / bosses and it drops glyph and Igneous Rain invocation and it was okay. However now I feel that the fireball (especially the spreading flames part) isn't doing that much anymore 😦

One idea I had was to maybe swap to a big aoe Invocation with Lightning tag and use Brand of Deception from passive tree for AoE clear.... And change fireball to something else or just go ham on the ignite / cast speed / fire res shred part of it and forget about spreading flames. Dunno, any ideas are appreciated 🙂

Also the gear and resistances are kinda bad, however survivability is not yet an issue 😄

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 72

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.6

Class:

Mage (20) / Spellblade (6) / Runemaster (59)

General:

▸ Health: 1,046, Regen: 107/s
▸ Mana: 265, Regen: 13/s
▸ Ward Retention: 326%, Regen: 94/s
▸ Attributes: 0 Str / 0 Dex / 75 Int / 0 Att / 5 Vit
▸ Resistances: 54% / 74% / 67% / 50% / 58% / 71% / 5%
▸ EHP: 1,113 / 1,340 / 1,244 / 1,174 / 1,152 / 1,300 / 786

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 209
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (689)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Fireball (20)
• Runic Invocation (20)
• Flame Ward (20)
• Flame Rush (20)
• Glyph of Dominion (20)

Used unique items:

• Ferebor's Persistence
• Soulfire

[lost hill]

Hi guys, is there no really viable sorc lighting build atm?

[hushed elk]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olJKxmGQ Poverty Frostclaw AKA Hadouken Machine Gun xDD

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.6

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (30) / Runemaster (63)

General:

▸ Health: 1,036, Regen: 27/s
▸ Mana: 392, Regen: 14/s
▸ Ward Retention: 766%, Regen: 144/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 14 Dex / 170 Int / 14 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 113% / 89% / 76% / 89% / 52% / 110% / 110%
▸ EHP: 2,241 / 1,961 / 1,961 / 2,160 / 2,241 / 1,961 / 1,961

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 207
▸ Dodge Chance: 17% (556)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 25% (1,114)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 30%

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Fireball (25)
• Snap Freeze (20)
• Runic Invocation (21)
• Flame Rush (20)
• Flame Ward (20)

Used unique items:

• Peak of the Mountain
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Liath's Machinations
• Immolator's Oblation
• Fiery Dragon Shoes
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Orian's Eye
• Soulfire

[lost hill]

Runemaster... damn

[hushed elk]

yeah I was just linking my meme build lol

only using for leveling/low corr, going Flame Reave soon

[lost hill]

for leveling a self made lighting build works fine and is fun but for higher corruption I see issues coming my way.

[halcyon moat]

thank you very much

[harsh thistle]

do you use wrongwarp?

I'm soon respeccing into it in like 2 lvl

wrongwarp lightning fireball

from what I've seen sorc is only used for fireball basically, cause it seems runemaster is better at everything else (too OP?)

[buoyant glacier]

nope, they're not,,rm sucks on single target dmg, only 2nd to sentinel when it comes to ward build and become glass cannon on high corruption.

[harsh thistle]

idk I thought sorc was the meme of last epoch tbh, certainly feels like it playing it

although I rly like fireball

like I also have a lich and a bladedancer and those are so much better at everything, also much faster

personal experience tho so maybe I just haven't found the OP fireball build yet haha

[buoyant glacier]

yeah i hope they buff sorc too..like if rm is on tanky side..sorc should be on more dps side whether mapping or bossing...very few ppl build sorc and i thnk they are even have worst dps on bosses

[harsh thistle]

I meant to say meteor *

somehow I always confuse the two

[rapid hinge]

Sorc might have better dps

If you have infinite mana

Kekw

[harsh thistle]

yes that's my main problem haha

[rapid hinge]

tankiness is also indirect DPS

the less thing that can oneshot you

the less time you spend avoiding stuffs

the more time you spend hitting things

-> profit

[rapid hinge]

@grizzled lily yo how's your static orb nuker going

[grizzled lily]

not bad I suppose, with RM it can oneshot up to 1k cor and with Sorc up to like 1.3k

how do you play yours

[rapid hinge]

one shotting shade?

[grizzled lily]

yes

[rapid hinge]

im testing my sorc on 2k

i cannot 1shot corpse dragon at 2k

[grizzled lily]

I like sorc a bit more with this playstyle

[rapid hinge]

yeah same i actually think this is the only thing that a sorc can kinda beat a RM

since both the innate +flat mana and mana cost = increase damage helps a ton

[grizzled lily]

I use Meteor CoC as well, it is pretty good

[rapid hinge]

oh really

hmm that's interesting

[grizzled lily]

I go full utility with Glacier with Freeze and the ranged node

and rely on Meteor for clear and some DR

[rapid hinge]

ohhhhhhhh

[grizzled lily]

have more range, more cc

[rapid hinge]

the mana cost synergy is def great but i always thought multiple elemental scaling is not it

very interesting

im using glacier, orb, ice barrage and flame ward

teleport also

[grizzled lily]

I don't think mage get punished much by mixing elements in general, except for the little bit of penetration from Sorc passive

especially with wrong warp

[rapid hinge]

yeah that's very true

[grizzled lily]

oh yeah and ice barrage

[rapid hinge]

in my mind the best thing the meteor gives is craterborn's fire pen

and since both glacier and orb do not have fire damage

[grizzled lily]

true

[rapid hinge]

it's kinda a waste

very nice

this might be my next cycle starter

assuming it wont get nerf

which is very not likely kekw

[grizzled lily]

probably won't

[rapid hinge]

sorc doesnt need a nerf

[grizzled lily]

yeah

[rapid hinge]

okay i'll try 2k shade right now real quick and see how it goes

do u use any kind of boss setup for shade

or just do it

[grizzled lily]

I just do it

I probably should have a confluence of fate for bossing

but I don't

[rapid hinge]

oh and what's your tooltip DPS for orb

orb is your main boss damage right

[grizzled lily]

yes

[grizzled lily]

800k when I'm idle, 3m when I'm using spells/potions

4m actually with everything on

[rapid hinge]

do you need to do any kind of setup with your sorc

or just go in point blank range and smash orb

i can only get 2k shade to 70% HP on my sorc

i think i'm doing something wrong here

[grizzled lily]

teleport -> potion -> arcane ascendence -> smash orb

[rapid hinge]

my orb tooltip DPS is also around 4k

4m i mean

what is the potion for

teleprot is for julra ring proc right

[grizzled lily]

potion for the unique relic for 40 flat necrotic

another benefit for going mixed damage

[rapid hinge]

ok actually the setup i use has quite less DPS then yours

i still use the mapping set with red ring + dodge stack etc

ocearon should be much better

[grizzled lily]

yeah since I'm going freeze with Glacier, the freeze rate per chill is useful as well

It is pretty good cc, pretty much always freeze trash first hit, and freeze elite mobs in a few hits

[vale tartan]

what did you slammed on the Julra ring if i may ask ?

[grizzled lily]

should be spell damage for burst, but I slammed int for general purpose

[grizzled lily]

@rapid hinge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg5DWoklVx4 I uploaded some gameplay for my build

[rapid hinge]

I'll to swap some DPS gear for mine later

how much damage does AA give you

i dont see any "more" on AA's tree so just assume it doesnt give much

[grizzled lily]

It is mostly for the cast speed to sneak in like another static orb before boss DR kicks in

[rapid hinge]

but boss DR is based on how much damage the boss has taken no?

not based on time

[grizzled lily]

there is a slight delay I think

[rapid hinge]

i actually didnt think of bossing while crafting this build

😅

[vale tartan]

i think 4 seconds might be the delay at max

[rapid hinge]

since i thought you can always snap freeze cheese anw

but it's very liklely gonna be changed next patch

[grizzled lily]

4s is too much, I think it is like 1s or 2 if I'm not imagining it

[rapid hinge]

yeah 4s is way too long lol

[grizzled lily]

yeah they are addressing CC on boss

[rapid hinge]

there's always chance that they'll mess it up again tho

like they did with 1.0 launch

😁

[grizzled lily]

I will be very surprised if they don't mess up plenty of stuffs again lol

since they seem to be in a rush

[rapid hinge]

i just hope they'll be more consistent with the mid-cycle nerf/fix

than what happened in this first cycle

[dusk jungle]

got a question - "conflagratioN" on the fireball tree gives 120% chance to ignite at max level, what exactly does that extra 20% chance give you?

i mean, 100% is a guaranteed stack of ignite

so is +20% another quarter of a stack?

[woven moss]

Yes

[robust junco]

It's 20% to apply a second stack

[dusk jungle]

ooh ok

yeah i'd like that

[proven haven]

this build is brilliant, love it

[tender pelican]

What is the maximum damage taken from mana you can get realistically ? And is that defense invest worth for high content compared to to chunkypapas op sorc ( which was my secret plan B starter for 1.1 since it looks so strong and my starter might be killed by patch 😄 )

I saw a tanky sorc that did no damage tho 😄 so it’s hard to tell

[west summit]

tried to look it up in the search, got nothing, so here goes:
Does anyone know what happens in the following scenario:

• Dragorath's Claw equipped, as well as Fragment of the enigma
• Trigger Frostclaw via melee attack (30% chance nodes)
• Volley of Glass is specced

Here the questions:

• Does every projectile from Frostclaw have a chance to trigger a lightning blast from Dragorath's Claw, or is it once per Frostclaw-trigger
• Does every projectile from Frostclaw have a chance to trigger a Spark Charge?

[proven haven]

100% is possible - depends on your definition of realistic

@west summit I basically made that setup in this video; https://youtu.be/5FRL3YEL_vw - It seems like yes every projectile from FC can trigger LB. It does say "on crit" not "on cast". And yes they do seem to all also trigger Spark Charge. At least it seems that way from some testing I did

[west summit]

thank you!

realism went out the window the moment i decided to run dragorath's

[harsh thistle]

I see your gear is very very pushed, do you think it's possible to make an elemental crit sorc with more tame gear? Like for example no legendary? I like meteor, and wrongwarp is rly cool too, wondering if just focusing on elemental dmg + crit chance/multiplier would be OK with wrongwarp and the belt (I also have the amulet and the helmet)

in this case I imagine the damage would come from move speed bonus / elemental damage / spell damage / crit chance+multiplier

[grizzled lily]

My gears are a lot cheaper than it looks (if you are MG), it just takes a lot of Julra runs

with just Wrongwarp and Peak of the mountain it should still work decently

but stacking mana is a must even with just exalted

if you cut 1lp off Strong mind, Grimoire, Peak of the Mountain and Wrong Warp, these uniques are basically free

and t7 max mana cost nothing when I made the items

[harsh thistle]

ah I'm offline CoF

so I'm already happy to have most of the uniques you're running

I'm missing ocean smth, the second ring, and the boots

[grizzled lily]

yeah it is a lot harder in CoF I suppose

[harsh thistle]

the rest I have, so I think I could give it a try

[grizzled lily]

Playing off meta MG, you get plenty of stuffs for free, no one use these items

[harsh thistle]

I see

can I ask why you're using this relic?

[grizzled lily]

40 flat is 40 flat, it is great, the DR is massive too

Wrongwarp scales all spell damage so doesn't matter much that it is necrotic

[harsh thistle]

oh the flat necrotic spell dmg ?

ah I see

so you're rly all in on the move speed buffs basically

so that there's no need to focus too much on one element

interesting

[grizzled lily]

Yea I like the flexibility that it brings, I think focusing one damage type is not as important on Mage especially with Wrongwarp

[harsh thistle]

I find this concept rly cool, I'm almost at the req. level for wrongwarp and will def. switch then

I'm already running a crit build with the meteor belt so I have a decent tome already

biggest problem is mana really, but if I stop caring so much about fire damage and more about mana it should be easier to get a big boost

[grizzled lily]

yea I don't care about increased damage in gears at all, just int and mana

Wrongwarp carries hard

[harsh thistle]

nice

[rapid hinge]

Great thing with the orb build is it doesnt really require any item to work

[harsh thistle]

I see it also scales off of mana

[rapid hinge]

And it can scale really high

@grizzled lily have you tried the mental aegis node in flameward with the build

I googled it and the answer from the answer i got it works with ward

If that's true it can greatly increase tankiness

[grizzled lily]

I did actually, but I am no where near the point where I need it yet

it is a tryhard node

[rapid hinge]

So it works with ward

[grizzled lily]

I think so

[rapid hinge]

Sheesh

That's omega tanky buff lmao

[grizzled lily]

temporary reactive tankiness, too tryhard for me

with the flame ward on stunned node, maybe? But I would rather just not get stunned

[rapid hinge]

I was thinking of arena

Yesterday i tried wave 1400 and was cruising

[grizzled lily]

Are you thinking about using it directly by pressing flame ward or cast on stunned

[rapid hinge]

Both

My setup i used for arena is more focused on defense of course

3k dodge 3k armor

Red ring

[grizzled lily]

draining mana is also a bit scary, lowering ward generation

[rapid hinge]

Those kind of jazz

Yeah good thing is you can kinda monitor the rate of mana drain vs dam reduction

With how many pointa you put in it

[grizzled lily]

It is a good try hard panic button I guess

I am not there yet lol

[rapid hinge]

Yeah i also havent tried it, just an idea because i dont know how it works. There are still some more thinga i want to try out

Like mana spent gain as ward stacking

For example

It looks like it's miniscule compared to just stacking max mana

[grizzled lily]

yeah think so

[naive condor]

how is spellblade? anyone know if it's good?

I like the idea of a dual wielding mage

[weary hamlet]

haven't kept up with the news about the new patch, had they said anythign about addressing sorc issues and design?

[rapid hinge]

they haven't said anything specificially about sorc

but they confirmed there will be changes for all class/mastery

and judging from how unpopular sorc is atm you can expect (good)changes

[vale tartan]

They cooked something with Disintegrate , and thast all i know about that

[weary hamlet]

if that's the kind of "changes" that don't actually change much of anything like what we had on 1.0 release, that's literally worthless

[rapid hinge]

idk what you mean by that but it's not like you can do anything other than just wait and see

🤷🏽‍♂️

[tender pelican]

Make spellblade great again

[somber citrus]

All classes matters

[proven haven]

New ward bug for mage, for those who are mana stacking; https://youtu.be/durYp91Pcjo

[rapid hinge]

i've noticed this before

[dusk jungle]

got a question - a few days ago I learned 120% chance to ignite is basically 1 guaranteed ignite +20% chance to add another stack of ignite, does that same rule apply to other stuff too? i've got a mace with +242% chance to shred armor on hit, so is that like 2 guaranteed shred stacks + 42% chance for a third every hit?

[rapid hinge]

looks like a bug with Focus's behavior

cast delay and such

[tender pelican]

Yes

[rapid hinge]

for any other traversal skill, once you press the skill button it will always finish the traversing animation

but with focus you can animation cancel it

[tender pelican]

You can macro that focus cancel stuff for max efficiency ^^

[vale tartan]

would not say its a bug , just that traversal skills with super low cd and no mana cost can become sort of dum

using that affix on my manastacker Judgment pala for a while with Volatile reversal since i dont use rebuke and Apostates or healing Hands fo ward

[rapid hinge]

the "bug" is focus

not the experimental affix

afaik focus is the only traversal skill in the game where you're not immediately traverse when u press the button

[vale tartan]

Unbound thought and Conveyance. So the Teleport of Conveyence is too delayed if you just tap it.

wait .. one of the nodes shouldnt work with the other

[proven haven]

I'd say it's a bug that you can use the skill without putting it on cooldown

[vale tartan]

Frozen .. is your game bugged XD

[proven haven]

No I did it in online current patch

You only need conveyance, no other nodes

[vale tartan]

well Focus has a base cooldown of 4 seconds , im looking at the LE tools build planner right now ... why isnt it put to cooldown then .. very weird

[proven haven]

It does go on cooldown if you actually complete the traversal

But there is a delay

If you just tap it, the "cast" doesn't finish but game still considered the skill as "used"

[vale tartan]

So as i said the Teleport of Conveyence is too delayed if you just tap it

[proven haven]

Ah yea

[vale tartan]

So it seems to be an issue with the fact that its also a channeling skill because those have normally a wind up animation , i was almost afraid that either Smite or Hh could also aboose it somehow

[rapid hinge]

@proven haven mind if i use your video to ask the devs?

[proven haven]

Sure @rapid hinge

[rapid hinge]

ok tyvm!

imagine WrongWarp's 1s invul not only work on teleport/transplant but on every traversal skill kekw

perma invul here i come

[vale tartan]

Increased CDR is T7 on Boots and Belts and maxroll is 32%

Teleport has Tunnel Finder ( 50% Cdr ) and Comet rush ( 20% )
Mage passives Mage flurry ( 9 % )
Runemaster has Ancient Inscriptions ( 1% cdr per 4 Int )
Sorceror has Recollection ( 20% )
hmm i dont think you can get Teleports Cooldown to under 1 second

[wary raptor]

Has anybody tried Dr3ad's Brand of Devotion (or whatever) autobomber build to any success?

[rapid hinge]

Brand is very strong but massively unpopular atm because of meta stuff. I see no reason that you cant make them work

[rapid hinge]

You cant

Im talking about abusing focus' bug with wrongwarp

If the invul works with all traveraal skill

[tender pelican]

isnt that just transplant and teleport to trigger ?

[idle terrace]

can i reach 200 corr using Firebrand and Flame reave with calamity helmet, jasper's searing blade, flame wreath and ashes of mortality?

[proven haven]

I had TP down to 1.9s on my Runemaster without CDR gloves, or opal rings - that's 112% CDR character sheet. I could probably go to 140% but you would need well over 200%

The closest pseudo perma immune I think you could get is using jungle queens with potions reduce traversal cooldowns slammed on it

theres also the boots iirc. I forget the name, the orobyss ones

[vale tartan]

i havent factored in Uniques or T7 potion of Schmoove

[proven haven]

some testing in offline for funsies, I think this is the lowest possible cooldown without shrine buff

[buoyant glacier]

How much total cdr on this 1.5s tp? With t7 belt and t7 cdr boots, maybe 180int...

[proven haven]

@buoyant glacier

[buoyant glacier]

Wow 159 thats too high aldy...idk if the wrongwarp teleport cdr which has a max of 55% will also affect this..

[proven haven]

yea everything is max roll @buoyant glacier - max int and max cdr on every piece that can get it

not realistic obviously but just to see limit

[woven moss]

Mages be crazy

[wary raptor]

What do you guys level with for Rune Boi? I only really find guides for glacier or frost claw leveling.

[weary hamlet]

shouldn't be an issue, the build is not that bad

[rapid hinge]

@grizzled lily looks like the hard cap is around 1.8k for the static orb build if you want to 1shot shade

i can only get 2k shade to around 25%

[grizzled lily]

sounds about right

[rapid hinge]

and i got up to around 13m sheet DPS after julra proc

yea

but can still do slow fight

[grizzled lily]

focus and round 2

[rapid hinge]

with focus i almost managed to 1shot 2k kekw

got him down to 1%

[grizzled lily]

I think boss DR punish big burst harder? Not sure about that mathematically but it feels that way

so it maybe better next cycle too

[rapid hinge]

i dont really know but it wont matter anw

screw this stupid boss DR mechanic

will you go MG again for cycle start or COF this time?

[grizzled lily]

CoF, kinda tired of MG

[rapid hinge]

i actually think if you omit all the unintended overtuned abusing

this is actually the best build

good mapping

good bossing

amazing for arena

[grizzled lily]

yeah could very well be but have to see other changes

[rapid hinge]

not very gear dependant

1 very nice thing is + flat mana is a common prefix

so very easy to find t7

i researched the bazaar alittle bit yesterday

and you can even find double t7

with flat mana + dodge

or flat mana + armor

for very cheap

[grizzled lily]

for now lol

[rapid hinge]

they're all common affixes

so def much more easier to drop than let say t7 frostclaw

[grizzled lily]

true, cant be expensive for how common they drop

[rapid hinge]

the biggest piece would be Unstable Core

that sheet is a pain

and maybe Orian if you really want to minmax

[grizzled lily]

2LP Orian is better but too hard to get

I don't think 1LP is better

[rapid hinge]

it's a defensive item anw

[grizzled lily]

difficult to find armor shred

[rapid hinge]

yeah

I'd take 4LP strong mind or good slam 3LP strong mind over 1LP orian

anyday

[tender pelican]

Are there any other items to boost speed for wrongwarp scaling outside of that unique ring gloves and belt ?

[robust junco]

Cuckoo? Iirc it has Haste effect

[tender pelican]

To my knowledge haste effect is either capped or bugged in some way

I experimented as warlock with haste effect and boots with 50% haste effect on top and I had the same max speed as with citadel anti crit boots so the extra haste did nothing

Cuckoo as I heard does work but maybe also only up to cap I’m not sure

😄 it’s not like this game has a wiki or people care much about math so it’s more experiment or believe it works or not

[sand inlet]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BMdeW7LQ
LF info if this build is capable of high corruption(around 500+).
It's self made, so I'm not sure if it's good.

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.6

Class:

Mage (25) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (63)

General:

▸ Health: 1,188, Regen: 27/s
▸ Mana: 149, Regen: 11/s
▸ Ward Retention: 663%, Regen: 150/s
▸ Attributes: 33 Str / 20 Dex / 148 Int / 10 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 99% / 75% / 99% / 75% / 75% / 85% / 85%
▸ EHP: 4,774 / 4,750 / 4,774 / 5,437 / 4,394 / 4,416 / 4,416

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 238
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (108)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,600)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ Arcane Momentum (3/3), Jagged Veil, Preparation, Runeword Cataclysm, Runeword Hurricane, Flame Ward, Lightning Aegis

Used skills:

• Lightning Blast (25)
• Teleport (21)
• Snap Freeze (22)
• Flame Ward (22)
• Runic Invocation (23)

Used unique items:

• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Static Shell
• Prismatic Gaze
• Omnis
• Strands of Souls
• Blood of the Exile
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Red Ring of Atlaria

[tender pelican]

So this is basically the normal frostclaw build without frostclaw I assume so it can go very far ^^

[sand inlet]

Yeah, I have almost 0 mage masteries knowledge, I just put some stuff I found around 300 other builds 🤣
But I don't like Frost Claw.

[tender pelican]

Frost wall can also shoot lightning blasts that one was cool

[vale tartan]

Also very budget friendly with the 2 red rings , the Omnis and stuff :p

3 Lp Ladle and 3 Lp Exile boots are also fast to get

at this point thats more of a final end goal of a build .. almost

[sand inlet]

I have all those, so it's np. I basically have everything. Just need to slam the chest, helm and boots.

[vale tartan]

Ahh i see

[sand inlet]

I 'f'ing forgot I used all alchemist laddle lp3 T_T
Gonna have to remove the shock.

[vale tartan]

3 Lp ladle is actually reasonable , its just annoying to get and if you know what you are doing ( Lakeside Trial )

[sand inlet]

Ah, I know the farm. Boring af, tho T_T

[harsh thistle]

@grizzled lily so ! I've been running your wrongwarp build (although with non-BiS items ofc) and I'm quite enjoy it! I just unlocked empowered monos and I'm cruising so far, bosses especially melt from 2-3 lightning lightning orb casts and I'm still just at about 650 mana, so with better gear it'll just get easier. "Big" bosses like mono last bosses take a bit longer but the build has so much dmg reduction (also the time bubble thing working on those bosses? Amazing) and (weirdly) less mana problem than sorc builds I played before, so it's rather easy to play around bosses mechanics.
One thing I'm practicing is the "way" to play the build: from what I understand I need to always keep the arcane infusion thing at 5 stacks to get the movement boost and massive damage increase, so I'm trying to constantly have haste, the time warp movespeed boost, and the passive movespeed buff, rocketing on the map to the objective.
One thing I want to confirm is: when do you use meteor? Do you jsut plan on triggering it passively from crits with the belt? My glacier has basically 100% crit chance but I get frustrated when it doesn't trigger meteor on small groups of mobs, so I have to use it manually. Static orb if I get it correctly is for bosses mostly for massive burst damage (?). Also, why not use experimental boost that gives haste on traversal skill, seems like it'd be amazing to always keep haste always on? Or with your setup you always have it anyway?

another question, do you just use glacier for mana regen basically? For me at 650 mana it's not super great yet but I imagine the 1% mana refund on crit becomes much much better at 1K+ mana

sry for wall of text, this build is really cool and I want to understand it well to improve my playstyle 🙂

[rapid hinge]

keeping 100% uptime for haste if more of a QOL thing

than its actualy effectiveness

[harsh thistle]

I see

[grizzled lily]

Glad to know that the build levels fine as well, that was the one thing that I'm not 100% sure. Arcane infusion I don't really keep track, if it happens it happens. If a group of mob is so small that I can't reliable proc Meteor, I just Static Orb it. And yes for my Sorc version, Glacier is just utility for freeze and mana regen and procing Meteor.

Haste uptime is fine with just Wrongwarp, but if you can get haste on traversal on your boot it could be better for slightly better uptime

[harsh thistle]

one change I made is that I don't use the helmet, cause I only have the unique version of it, and without mana regen or other bonus on the helmet I feel like it just guarantees crits but doesn't do anything else. I think if I could get it with leg potential I'd def. swap it in

I use the mage helmet that gives 15% more max mana and other QoL stuff, put static orb levels on it too

[rapid hinge]

you'd have to get crit from somewhere else if you dont use Peak

thus giving up on flat mana prefixes on all the slot that you spent on crit chance

which is huuuuge

[harsh thistle]

I'm currently at 60% spell crit chance on my character screen, and glacier has additional base crit chance

[grizzled lily]

I suppose Peak is not that important in this comparing to other builds because mage gets a lot of increased crit naturally

[harsh thistle]

so I feel like I'm at 100% with glacier

from testing at least glacier crits always

[grizzled lily]

yeah it is mostly for Static Orb crit

[rapid hinge]

glacier is not the main thing you want crit for

[grizzled lily]

Static Orb has really bad crit

[rapid hinge]

you want it for Orb

since Orb has zero crit support from its tree

[harsh thistle]

I haven't found a skull that gives bonus mana as well, the best one I have is T6 spell damage and T5 crit multiplier

[harsh thistle]

oooh ok

[grizzled lily]

But I guess it takes a while until you really need that extra crit damage from Static Orb

so you can take your time with the helm

[rapid hinge]

t7 mana slam on a Fire/Light Scales is also good

a perfect slam 2LP Scales is BiS i think

[harsh thistle]

I'm running the solo meteor setup for now as well for less mana problems so it crits 100%

[grizzled lily]

yeah definitely

I'm surprised you are able to fit Meteor at all with 600ish mana

[harsh thistle]

it's true I'll need the helmet if I switch to the multiple meteor setup cause I imagine you can't fit too many points in the base crit chance node

[harsh thistle]

you know what I didn't even think of scales

I do have a couple of those and with LP

[rapid hinge]

scale is sick

tho keep in mind

in my setup i run full cold damage

i dont think you can use scall with chunkypapa setup

[harsh thistle]

ooh ok

[grizzled lily]

I do wonder how cold static orb compares

[harsh thistle]

I was very scared of 0 life leech on this build at first but the amount of ward you can get really compensates

[rapid hinge]

damagewise i think kinda the same

but it gives me option to use scale

[harsh thistle]

I could free up some idol space to include some mana spent converted to ward as well and it works wonders

[grizzled lily]

I see

[rapid hinge]

and it fits the theme xD

[grizzled lily]

yeah could be good early on, I don't think they scale well though

[harsh thistle]

you need more crit chance tho with this setup right? Since you lose the double crit chance bonus from the sorc passive node

unless you just don't take this node

[grizzled lily]

I like being a elementalist more than being cold mage, more 'hipster' so to speak lol

[rapid hinge]

i dont use meteor

full cold damage as i've said

Ice barrage + glacier + cold orb

ice barage's 60% more cold dam is another reason i use cold orb

[grizzled lily]

I think the ice version is also more reliant on having +4 Static Orb when lightning can get away with +2

since you need the 2 point to get to the conversion node

and Static Orb's points is really tight for the damage nodes

[rapid hinge]

yeah i already counted that in with the damage compare

you make it up with 60% more damage from ice barrage

and a little better overscale with cold pen etc

and mourningfrost for bossing if you're really tryhard

and tbh even +4 Orb is not enough

i want moarr

there's so many damage node in Orb tree

[grizzled lily]

basically cold can scale penetration from ice barrage and other places, and lightning/mixed can scale random flat from Grimoire and Confluence of Fate etc

[rapid hinge]

yeah i dont think there is a single best way to do it

[grizzled lily]

probably quite similar all things considered, just scaling in different way

[rapid hinge]

at least not by a big margin

it entirely depend on what items you can get along the way

[grizzled lily]

true

[harsh thistle]

overall I just rly like what wrongwarp is trying to do, stacking movespeed is a lot of fun in ARPGs and being rewarded with a big dmg boost for it feels good

[tender pelican]

😄 and i thought im the only one super hyped about chunkys build

[rapid hinge]

i'm surprised that there's noone making that build this cycle tbh

you can easily reach at least 1.2k arena wave with only decent gear with it

and get rank 1 sorc

instead we have discount FC build at the top of Sorc ladder

🤦🏽‍♂️

[tender pelican]

might be tied towards nobody looking at the arena ladder at the end of cycle

you wont get witch hunted for having a good run at the end of a cycle

[spare pendant]

there's a lot of builds that are very strong that people aren't playing right now. I myself did not know that Runic Invo could keep casting Static Orb into the negative, as they disabled Zombies casting skills into the negative as well, hence why I never touched it myself

[rapid hinge]

huh?

what do u mean runic invo casting static orb?

[spare pendant]

yeah

I think, I havent looked at his build for a bit

so idk if it was or not

but I know for certain they don't like it when skills get cast when your mana is negative

[rapid hinge]

but those are 2 different skills with pretty much zero relation no?

am i missing something?

[spare pendant]

isn't runic invo casting his Static Orb like 3 times or whatever

[rapid hinge]

what's exactly is the invocation her?

here?

[spare pendant]

the version he was talking about

was the one that uses spell cascade to cast static orb multiple times

or at least the version they had me watch before

we are talking about chunky's build right?

[rapid hinge]

not exactly chunky's RM build but glacier + orb combo with mana stacking in general

and yeah i think they forgot about this

[spare pendant]

yeah thats the thing chunky showed me

was like obliterating a shade with spell cascade putting him into the negative and casting a billion static orbs

thats what I thought we were talking about 😄

[rapid hinge]

are u sure that those orbs were casted when he was already in the negative

[spare pendant]

they might not have

[rapid hinge]

or those orb were the thing that lead him into the negative?

[spare pendant]

I have to go look at the footage of the build again

https://youtu.be/fg5DWoklVx4

ohhhhh

see

this build is completely different then the one chunky was showing me

yeah this is the meteor coc one lmao

[rapid hinge]

you mean this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q58U3GNoWKw

i think you're half right

orb were NOT casted when you're in the negative

but when he was on aroudn 100 mana

3 orbs were casted simultanously

resulting in -1000 mana

so it's not the same case as pre-1.0 grand sacrifice

[spare pendant]

ahah

yeah

it should like, not do that lmao

[rapid hinge]

i think this still worth asking tho

yeah

[spare pendant]

I doubt the devs would be happy with that kekw

yeah this is what I meant lmao

[rapid hinge]

i mean it's not game breaking

[spare pendant]

its ok his setup still works very well even without this kekw

this is just funny TBH

[rapid hinge]

and if you're going by word it can still be justified as intentional

since you're casting 3 spell at the same time with the RI node

[spare pendant]

so the way runic invo says its wording, it seems like its casting one spell at a time, and not all at once

[rapid hinge]

ohhhhhhhhhh

[spare pendant]

yeah but it says it casts them with a few milliseconds of interval instead of all at once, but thats like the devs decision on that

[rapid hinge]

i didnt notice the interval

[spare pendant]

yeah you see what I mean

it would like, stop if that makes sense

[rapid hinge]

yeah the interval

[spare pendant]

I mean I dont care TBH

thats just a dev question

yeah

if it was instant that would make sense it just dips you like that

but since there is a technical interval, in theory with the logic the rest of the game has, it shouldnt do that but who the f*ck cares kekw

[rapid hinge]

either dev forgot about this, or the game tick is longer than 0.24 second which is very likely not the case

[spare pendant]

its just I have spent the last 5 years learning about Last Epoch-ese so this is one of the specifc rulings they have

i.e. procs should not go off if you are at negative mana

thats how they stopped the zombie apoclypse anyways

[rapid hinge]

i think it could be that they havent coded the actualy mechanic for negative mana casting, and the sacrifice fix was just case-by-case patch

[spare pendant]

yeah its just from what i have asked the devs, they believe that procs should not be able to proc if you can't spend the mana for them

and apparently this patch it is rumored that there is going to be a gigantic change to procs

where they follow the rules of cooldowns and mana costs

unless stated otherwise

so like for instance, the FC Nova setup, the node that gives you 100% increased area but 4 second cooldown wouldn't be good anymore because it would put your ele nova on 4 seconds of cooldown even if you proc it etc

but thats just stuff I heard them talking about on the dev streams etc

[rapid hinge]

these things should be 100% consistent all across the board

[spare pendant]

yeah I agree

hence why I am all for it

even if it nerfs a lot of builds

[rapid hinge]

if they dont have the base ground for all of those atm. They should have done it by 1.1

[spare pendant]

including all the runic invo builds that use flame rush to bypass runic invo cooldown

that would be sad but 🤷‍♂️

[harsh thistle]

Fk my life, after target farming Unstable Core for a while, I finally get it in a random unique mono, perfect implicits but minimum affix value possible (+15 mana and +30% ele dmg….)

Back to farming I guess 😭

[proven haven]

Speaking of that, I was playing around with static orb and noticed flame rush wouldn't proc it unless I had enough mana for both skills, not allowing me to go negative, seems inconsistent / weird

[rapid hinge]

RI doesnt allow you to cast from negative either

it allows triple cast even if 1 of the spell would bring you to negative

[proven haven]

No no, not cast "from negative" it doesn't even allow you to go negative.

If my static is 500 mana I need like 520 or whatever mana for it to trigger, otherwise the orb just doesn't trigger at all

I tried to make a flame rush + LB refund static orb build that uses the missing mana gained as ward and it didn't work. So close to being a thing. It felt pretty smooth in maps but I didn't get enough ward

[robust junco]

Its very sad imo "Mana used Gain as Ward" doesnt work with proccs but only Direct Uses

[proven haven]

Yea that also killed it. I had a 900 mana cost static every 2 seconds. It would have been glorious

[rapid hinge]

what is LB?

oh lightning blast

[harsh thistle]

Wait really?

[rapid hinge]

yeah

mana used

and mana consumed

is 2 different thing

[proven haven]

I feel like it is a bit misleading to be fair, I would figure all the mana spent is "used", even some alt text saying "direct cast only" would be nice for this sort of thing

[vale tartan]

Hmm These skills are cast at 0.24 second intervalls after the invocation
means there is One intervall and all spells take that first intervall spot at once

thats to be honest a pretty common coding mistake if you ask me

i think if there is only one non channeling spell then thats the cause of it because i guess its expected that people have more of them in the hotbar

[proven haven]

Does make a difference if they are the same skill or different for this? I feel like it would be harder to accidentally code that logic in a way to only bypass the interval thing if the skills are the same while also still casting them the appropriate number of times. I could see a scenario where someone overwrites the keys of something with the same internal identifier or and only cast once when 3 of the same spell used, or messing up the interval so that the 3 spells always cast together

[vale tartan]

its hard to say how its coded without datamining it

i can only assume how its coded based on how i wouldve done it and guessing that its the most probable one

[buoyant glacier]

Demn, thats sad. Ive never targeted unstable core since every rm started using cotm 2/3months ago but a funny thing happened when i took the unique armor prophecy randomly it ddnt dropped me 2lp unstable its always mostly 1lp and 3lp, i threw all my 1lps when i gathered 4 pcs 3lps but ddnt try to slam them.

[somber citrus]

Hi I never played sorcerer, I think i may leveled one next season.
What are the good leveling sorcerers to go fast to empowered (from scratch start of cycle) ?

I fear that the maxroll lightning blast static orb would be terrible for mono target, it should be good for clearing fast, but I don't trust that this can work for boss.
What do you pro mage player use ?

[merry veldt]

If you take the node that Elemental Nova channels, does cast speed matter for it?

I know for Flurry for example it does matter, but in case of Nova I can't see a difference and it is phrased a bit different

[robust junco]

Alt text

[merry veldt]

Ooops!

Thanks a lot!

[robust junco]

Reading in my arpg! Blasphemy!

[bright depot]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oNxLndXQ

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 98

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Release / 1.0.6

Class:

Mage (29) / Sorcerer (25) / Runemaster (57)

General:

▸ Health: 1,137, Regen: 43/s
▸ Mana: 142, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 554%, Regen: 74/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 0 Dex / 122 Int / 0 Att / 0 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 18% / 72% / 0% / 38% / 0% / 0%
▸ EHP: 1,486 / 975 / 1,486 / 839 / 1,030 / 809 / 809

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 29%, Threshold: 293
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (106)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 11% (278)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Cold, Lightning / Spell

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Elemental Nova (22)
• Flame Ward (21)
• Runic Invocation (22)
• Teleport (20)
• Lightning Blast (24)

Used unique items:

• Prismatic Gaze
• Exsanguinous
• Mad Alchemist's Ladle
• Fragment of the Enigma
• Strands of Souls
• Telf'un's Mirage
• Ring of the Third Eye
• Ring of the Third Eye
• Devotion
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[proper hawk]

When you take the convergence node on lightning blast that causes it to chain to the initial target repeatedly instead of other enemies, the single target damage is very high, but it can't clear effectively. Static orb is used to fill in clear so all bases are covered

[hidden dirge]

Question: Is there any point to having a higher than 100% chance to apply a status effect like ignite?

[robust junco]

Yes
200 % chance gives you 2 stacks per hit

[hidden dirge]

Awesome, thanks

[robust junco]

It's actually one of your best stat for ignite build

[vestal stream]

I was looking to couple Elemental Nova (fire) with Teleport's Elemental Dawn, Dusk and Midnight nodes but these only work if Elemental Nova doesn't have a cooldown. If I put a point in Infernal Nova (+4sec cooldown for EN) will dropping 3 points into Conflagrating Speed (+105% Cooldown recovery speed) cancel that cooldown and allow the use of Teleport's Elemental Dawn, Dusk and Midnight nodes?

[robust junco]

No

105% Cdrs half the cd

[vestal stream]

I wasn't sure so thanks.

[split owl]

wish that they would add ann unique in 1.1 which refreshes surge cd to make it into a flicker build somehow

[rapid hinge]

you already have it atm

traversal cooldown reduction on potion use

is what you're looking for

[split owl]

nah, we need instant cd reduction, like 95% at minimum to make it works

[nimble shoal]

There are some movement skills that come pretty close already, and lethal mirage is kinda flicker strike, thematically anyway.

[ocean mauve]

what makes frostclaw so degenerate andable to push 5k+ corruption? is it the interaction with enigma? the ward gen? some bugged interaction?

[karmic vapor]

@qanar the mana refund that allows it to be spammed forever

[harsh thistle]

how do you get to 100% or so manarefund? Or you just don't take any node that add mana cost?

[ocean mauve]

Mana efficiency idols, mana cost reduction on weap, the skill tree node

[rapid hinge]

Snap freeze

[ocean mauve]

Eh?

[rapid hinge]

?what confuse you

The only bottleneck for giga high corruption pushing is the shade fight

And every build that can push that kind of number has a way to cheese the fight

[ocean mauve]

Right right

[rapid hinge]

For any RM/Mage build it's perma CC with snap freeze

[karmic vapor]

The extra casts become mana positive

[harsh thistle]

you go from like 50 mana cost to less than 0?

damn

[proven eagle]

Hi, i'm new to the game and looking for a rune master build that not Frostclaw+ EN spam, can anyone recommend one?

[rapid hinge]

Plasma orb

Hydrahedron

Ball lightning

[proven eagle]

Thank you

[vale tartan]

Guys , did anyone made a Fireball Machinegun build or has a link to one ?

[somber citrus]

https://youtu.be/GjxO5RHARPo?feature=shared
French video English subtitles available.

[vale tartan]

Also pretty old but most things can be adapted

[full bluff]

I made one using lightning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5P4F7CD8jU

[somber citrus]

Planner was updated at 1.0 nothing really changed. Well the shield is not updated so it seems it has not be updated seriously.

[merry veldt]

Check out the Maxroll Fireball Sorc

[rapid hinge]

is this a serious build

[somber citrus]

Yes, why this question ? It is a fireball spammer, not the most efficient build in the game obviously, but it is probably a good enough one using fireball. You are free to share your superior build using fireball.

[weary hamlet]

well other than the fireball homing visuals being super derpy

[limber peak]

Hi guys is there any good endgame build for Sorcerer that uses Flame Rush?

[rapid hinge]

oh i mean it needs an update

i thought it was up to date with new patch etc

but clearly not since it's using bastion

[quartz hedge]

hey guys m coming back to the game just before the new cycle, is metear sorc good now or does it still have scaling issues

[rapid hinge]

It never had scaling issue

It had and mana issue

[weary hamlet]

mana issue = scaling issue though, as meteor damage is only reasonable when you spam it

which you can't do that easily

[tender pelican]

(* cries in manaleech*)

[nimble shoal]

Pretty sure you can make it work though, if you really lean into it. Or use the belt so you can proc it while spamming a mana generator.

[vale tartan]

Except , you can , turned out to scale with mana , you scale mana . 1500 Mana is a good number

frostclaw just gaslighted us into believeing that magicians dont need that much mana

opposite is true , MOAH MANA

see chunkypapas Static Orb build , uses over 900 mana per cast

[harsh abyss]

Spark Charge meteor sorcerer let's goooooo

[tall oasis]

Disintegrate changes are massive

absolutely massive

New nodes, plus flat base increase

The Base damage on Disintegrate has been increased from 15 to 24, and it’s added damage effectiveness increased from a modest 300% to a generous 480%.

[harsh abyss]

Plus the channeling changes in general are a huge thing.

[tall oasis]

and evade

[harsh abyss]

Gonna make things REAL interesting.

[tall oasis]

I would love it if EHG can conjure something cool with channeling and Evade. Maybe a flavor that increases burst of channeling after evade

[harsh abyss]

I'm just hoping for some key bug fixes, one of my favorite builds is a channeled lightning blast build, but the Halo Effect node jsut... doesn't work.

[tall oasis]

I know there were some hitbox shananigans

[harsh abyss]

I'm super stoked to look at the new mage/sorcerer passive tree. The new Mana Shell is gonna make mana stacking so much more defensively viable for a Vilatria build

[tall oasis]

Waiting to see Sorc patch notes

The class's unique skills leave a lot to be desired to pick it over a RM

[harsh abyss]

I have a feeling that Arcane Ascendence is going to get a big indirect buff from the channeling changes.

[grizzled lily]

I don't think they are aware of the mana builds before the sorc buffs lol

[rapid hinge]

true kekw

[harsh abyss]

Well, sorc is one of the oldest ascendencies isnt it? It was pretty outdated compared to RM

[rapid hinge]

prepare for the build to pop off hard

[grizzled lily]

they better are nerfing something else or this is absolutely busted

[harsh abyss]

The ward retention nerfs are pretty significant

[grizzled lily]

even the ward change is prefect amount for build rely on generating ward with mana

[rapid hinge]

holy jesus these buff directly to the build

[grizzled lily]

<10k is what I get most of the time anyway

[rapid hinge]

they fix every problem the build has - not that it has many

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, its fixing a lot of sorc builds and making mana stacking better in general

Hopefully theres more mana stuff in the latter half of the Sorc tree to encourage people to actually be a sorcerer.

[rapid hinge]

this is already plenty

you won't have enough passive points anw

if there's actually more

[grizzled lily]

getting 200 ward per second for free as well with 2000 mana

solve dying randomly before stacking ward

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, even early game getting a 'free' 30-50 ward per second will be meaningful for sorcs

[rapid hinge]

yeah that node is basically a nobrainer freebie

you will take it even without the ward per second

hmm actually not

[harsh abyss]

Definutely nice for Sorc to get a good early game defensive option. Probably wont feel SO squishy compared to RM

[rapid hinge]

4 mana per point is ok at best

[harsh abyss]

At 5 points, you're probably gettinng around 30-40 ward/sec right when you get the 5th point. That's huge at that stage of the game.

Especially with the higher ward retention at low ward numbers.

[weary hamlet]

the nodes highlighted in the article definitely don't make up for the loss of the gamblers fallacy build, we have to see the rest of the tree

[weary hamlet]

not for disintegrate though, as long as they don't touch the ramp up/mana gain on trash kill nodes

but I like how it can possibly make other channeled skills more worthwhile

[rapid hinge]

i dont like this ward formula change

🤦🏽‍♂️

[weary hamlet]

tbh I wouldn't mind a mechanic where you can press the channeling skill again to pump a burst of channeling ticks into it, at a cooldown/drawback/some timing restriction

Or perhaps a simplified version where you use your channeling skill as usual and for each damage tick that lands it stacks up a resource, and when you hit a certain threshold your skill is replaced by a shorter duration empowered version

would make more sense in context of boss fight design

[harsh abyss]

Its definitely healthier for the game. Infinite ward builds were way OP

[rapid hinge]

for sure

but that's the result of all the dumb ward generator

[weary hamlet]

I'm pretty sure that more than just that node isn't working with channeled LB right now

[rapid hinge]

i dont think ward decay formula is the problem

not like my opinion matters

we'll see how it goes soon

[harsh abyss]

They're probably nerfing those ward generators too. But this will protect against other insane outliers from popping up

[weary hamlet]

They still need to address the crown in some way, perhaps by baking this mechanic somewhere into sorc passives. Tying the classes entire survivability to one annoying unique feels bad. Always had for that matter

[weary hamlet]

It doesn't really need a buff, it needs a rework. It doesn't serve a good function right now, it's play pattern is wack

[rapid hinge]

true lol

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, I'm hoping this gets added in the second half of the sorc tree in some form. That would really give them the mana stacking identity.

[weary hamlet]

There really isn't a reason why it can't just be a node at the top of the passive tree. You can still opt out of using it if you want to stack ward

The crown farming mechanic is cute but it's a relic of a bygone era

And it is in fact needlessly annoying to get

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, definitely agreed

And its existence holds back the rest of the design space around the "damage taken as mana" mechanic

[weary hamlet]

maybe if they gave it a hard capped duration of maybe 3-5 seconds with a cooldown, and a range of powerful effects to customize via its tree, it would have a defined niche. As a relatively weak all around buff it's neither here nor there, and using it in the mana drain mode feels bad when you are already penalized for standing still

[harsh abyss]

HOWEVER being able to add LP to uniques with the harbingers/nemesis makes the crown much more viable.

[weary hamlet]

I like this mechanic in principle, very old school style mage design, but it will keep being a balance problem as long as you need to spend a ton of time farming it (to a decent standard). Like you'll have to make a half assed ward build and then swap halfway through

No other class is so dependent on one item for its survivability, it just breaks the gear progression

And yes we did whine about it a lot, back before we even had any alternative

We kept whining about it when they made twisted heart

They still don't seem to give a sh it though

[harsh abyss]

Ehh, endgame power builds that dont work early game are fine IMO. Since respeccing is so easy, its fine to have builds that only come fully online late.

[weary hamlet]

Imagine if bladdancer was ultra squishy until you get a chase unique instead of just getting all the survivability in the world for free from its talent tree

The problem is lack of a decent alternative and drastically different power curve from any other class

Most classes/builds scale defense linearly with itemization, for sorc it's nothing then a massive power spike then again nothing

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, but with some of the other changes, it seems like there WILL be defensive options other than damage taken as mana builds

So you can use those as an interim option until yoy can get the crown online.

[weary hamlet]

yeah I mean you'll still haev the nerfed LK and this new passive ward from max mana node

still feels kinda bad

[vale tartan]

i think i start to like diesintegrate now

[harsh abyss]

We'll have to see what other changes there are to really be sure.

I was hoping theyd buff LK and move it to the second half of the sorc tree.

Like make it max mana instead of current, but leave it at 50%

[weary hamlet]

50% of max mana is still giga broken

imagine you have 2k max mana

and spam a relevant skill let's say 3 times per second

which at merely 40 mana per cast isn't much of a stretch

[harsh abyss]

Not any more broken than the RM capstones that give you ward per crit on every crit.

[weary hamlet]

neither of those things should be in the game with this kind of tuning

[harsh abyss]

True, we'll have to see what RM nerfs look like, heh

[weary hamlet]

tbh I was fairly disappointed with the RM design which was just sorc but power crept instead of something truly original in actual gameplay. Way too little incentive to cycle through invocations or use them situationally. Way too much random procs and cast speed scaling nudging you towards just a regular arpg style spammy build

and I guess that the choice to make ele nova of all skills proc-spammable is a complete head scratcher, the visual noise it generates is off the charts

[glossy mountain]

Im returing player, im reading the QOL that was just released, is sorc gonna be a mana stacker basically?

[weary hamlet]

looks like it

they had basically nothing to work with when it comes to ways to differentiate sorc from RM, other than mana stacking effects

[glossy mountain]

sounds fun

[weary hamlet]

barring a complete rework of either of the two classes which apparently isn't on the table right now

[tender pelican]

thats like afk 3k ward with reasonable intelligence

[grizzled lily]

insane

so another 15% increased mana, 20% mana refund, 3000 stationary ward and 50% mana spent gained as ward

the only worry I had for the build was dying randomly before ward stacked up

[rapid hinge]

the functioning ward will be lower tho

significantly lower even

with the new ward decay

[grizzled lily]

I think it should be similar at 3k

[tender pelican]

i mean afk ward below 4k ward is " even better " a bit

[rapid hinge]

yeah at lower than 4k it's easier to stack

[harsh abyss]

Under 4k it will be higher

[rapid hinge]

but be honest nobody would play ward if it's just 4k

[tender pelican]

ward gets bricked hard at the 10k point

[rapid hinge]

yeah i just calculated if you want to keep 10k stable ward you'd need almost twice the ward per second

75% more to be precise

[crude merlin]

wait so with 1k mana archmage refunds all spell cost, no questions asked?

[weary hamlet]

that depends, if you can get an extra 4k ward on top of your other stuff at low investment, that's a viable hybrid build

[rapid hinge]

the stable ward for the build should be around 20-25% lower

[weary hamlet]

zero health and 4k ward obviously ain't cutting it

[tender pelican]

not sure if hybrid will be the way then

[rapid hinge]

if you consider it's easier to stack a bigger mana pool

[grizzled lily]

you probably read that wrong, it is 100% chance to refund 20% cost

[weary hamlet]

say if you are running ignite glyph runemaster, your options for defensives are fairly limited

those types of builds could benefit from buffs to incidental ward per second effects

[tender pelican]

60% chance to restore 20% mana cost

[weary hamlet]

Shouldn't it be 105%? 35x3?

[rapid hinge]

i dont think hybrid will ever be a viable option if youér talking about absolute optimized build

[tender pelican]

did i misread something im sorry 😄 might be

[grizzled lily]

I wonder if 105% means there is 5% to double refund lol

[weary hamlet]

asking the real question here

[harsh abyss]

If you think about it, ward is the non endurance stacking option. So you need to stack 2.4x as much ward as health to equal out not having any endurance. So the 10k soft cap makes some sense

[rapid hinge]

except 10k is not the soft cap

soft cap is 4k

[crude merlin]

isn't this quite broken? it's effectively 0 mana cost with 1k mana since you can go into negatives anyway and it will get refunded

[weary hamlet]

4k is the even softer cap

[rapid hinge]

after 4k it starts decaying exponentially faster

[rapid hinge]

err no, it only refunds 20%

[tender pelican]

so you need 1.2k mana to sustain mana pool with glacier now

[crude merlin]

I'm completely blind thanks

[weary hamlet]

it refunds 20% of the cost, not 20% of your mana pool, that would have been ridiculous

although yeah EHG don't exactly have the best track record of not putting obviously busted things into their game

so I get the confusion

[harsh abyss]

Lol that would be amazing.

[tender pelican]

just make static orb cost all your mana pool then you restore 20% of your max mana pool xD

[vale tartan]

You can think of that node as compensation that indirect casts on frostclaw will most likely no longer generate mana including the nodes that let it jump 1 or 2 additional times

Ever Onward and On through the Snow were able to trigger Gift of Winter and thats seemed to be unintended behavior

[weary hamlet]

the better question at that point is how you are going to regen the other 80% of your 2k mana pool

[tender pelican]

Easily you just wait 3 minutes

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, this definitely won't help on builds that trigger stuff.

Since triggers definitely won't refund

[harsh abyss]

I've always thought the Wisdom node should be "+1 flat mana regen per 100 max mana" to help out massive mana stacking builds. Even using Focus with 2000 mana, you're still going to have to take 13+ seconds of channeling to regen your mana pool from zero.

[vale tartan]

you can also get a ton of mana with mana strike like 170 per attack if im not completely off

[harsh abyss]

It's a bit less, like 130. Some of the nodes that add mana like Critical Mana don't scale with the % bonuses or the doubling from Mana Cleave. Unless that's a bug

I understand they want to limit sources of flat mana regen so people don't just "solve" mana, but high mana builds definitely could use some regen help.

[feral moss]

crying in Harbinger of Stars

[mortal acorn]

im new to this game... playing as a mage any tips for starting

[tender pelican]

Try the ability glacier 🙂 unlocks lvl 5 or so

[harsh abyss]

Don't stand in enemy abilities if you can help it. Their range is shown because they're going to do serious damage.

[mortal acorn]

yeah i got this one good on a big lure

im lvl 13 now

what about when it comes to spending points

[tender pelican]

Intelligence crit ward stuff

Cast speed

[mortal acorn]

not quite sure how ward stuff works yet

[harsh abyss]

Ward is a decaying health pool that stacks on top of your normal health. Ward will almost always be taken before regular health, only a few special cases bypass it.

[mortal acorn]

not dying too much yet

[harsh abyss]

Ward Per Second is effectively "HP Regen" for ward, but it will even out at a point where the ward decay rate equals your ward regeneration rate.

The early game is fairly easy but there are some big abilities that will kill you quick. The game is good for experimentation, don't be afraid to refund points to try out different stuff with your abilities. Though I'd recommend having one 'main' specialized ability that you don't respec often jsut to keep it at max power while you try other abilities out

[mortal acorn]

frost claw \ snap freeze\ teleport\ ele nova \ glacier is what i use now

[robust gorge]

does this wording mean that if you cast a 40 mana skill that hits multiple times, it will only proc once?

or for every hit

[tender pelican]

I would assume since also on channeling stuff only the first tick counts as something the other ticks don’t count as an additional cast

But tripple charge from glacier or whatever would be cool

[robust gorge]

static orb go brr

if that works

im insta starting mana stack static orb if it does

[tender pelican]

Glacier and static orb anyway got buffed xD

[harsh abyss]

I'm highly considering a Vilatria Meteor build to start out.

[robust gorge]

i should probably play that build anyway

[harsh abyss]

It's a fun one. I like to do the "single giant meteor" path to get as big of crits as possible. I'm also considering putting some passives into the Spellblade tree to get the fire aura generation and the teased node that has flat damage per int for fire aura. That way I can use the fire aura stacking to kill the little gribblies and just cast meteors on the big stuff

[weary hamlet]

280 per with the cooldown node, 140 without it irrc. Still you gotta mana strike a ton to regain all that

[weary hamlet]

you still wouldn't want to use it over lb if you are building static charges I think

[marble wing]

With all the increased mana cost nodes on fireball and a max rolled gate staff you can get fireball to exactly 40 mana... Could this actually be powerful, or just meme-tier?